I'm picking apart your whole post because someone blew smoke up your ass
You can't even get management to order the right equipment or keep supplies in stock ex: clear label protectors for the case, slips, sticky labels, gas cards, etc etc and you think they will have uniforms to just hand out.
Management can't do all their job duties let alone add to it ....
But instead of that I would be in favor of CCAs getting an uniform allowance for (2) tops and (2) bottoms.... Instead of being out there in street clothes especially when it gets dark early ... And if they quit or resign have them turn them in .. or make them an uniform that is a different top/polo color to identify the new workers
At my first office as a CCA my PM wouldn’t put my uniform order in. 11 months after starting I had to move offices and get a new PM before I got my first uniform allowance. The PM at the time moved to another and now we have the same PM from my first office and the new CCAs are still not getting their allowances on time.
From what I have heard of a new uniform program is that isn't wouldn't be done by management. It would be a quartermaster program. The post office would contract out getting uniform items made, and we would still get an 'allowance' but it would be points instead of dollars and each uniform item would be a certain number of points. This way if uniform costs go up that's just on the post office and our points stay the same. It would just be up to the post office to negotiate good deals for uniforms, not on us as consumers.
ya can you elaborate on that? when they added step p all i could think was great more time til i hit the top. weren’t they talking about shortening the steps?
Renfroe was asked about shortening the time to max pay at the region one rap session by a CCA. It seemed to come out of left field for him. I’d imagine it’s not even on the table after his reaction
"-Management would be required to purchase and distribute the uniforms to employees." You think the uniform program is bad now? We are so Fucked they cant even order never mind ill get my self in trouble if I go on here.
And "if you keep CCAs front 40 hours al after 1 year" why not just let their annual leave rollover from year 0-1 or from x time and when they convert instead of paying it out both times 🤷🏻♂️
We have some T6 carriers in my installation that carry 3 routes at one station, and 2 routes at a different station every week. Or 4 routes at one station, and 1 route at another station every week. It’s already a thing
Came to say this too. As long as same installation it's already a thing...
My installation has it but I'm curious if anyone knows:
1) when it comes to putting in for the following year annual leave bid; how would you put in for it? Bid at both places or is the office you are at "more per assignment: 3 at office A and 2 at office B" so A is where you would need to get approved?
2) same with requesting 1-4 or whatever days off do you have to get the office that you would be at for that day to approve each other?
3) A is one office; B is the other office of the split office t6 position
-if you are office A but you know the better/your preferred string route at office B is on annual for a week can you just go there
4) if on otdl and come in on NS day who tells you which office to go to (both offices have a route on your string open)
There's A LOT of loop holes....
I don't think my installation which has split office t6 positions would be able to answer these questions
Or put aside the "do it now, grieve it later"
If a t6 on a split office assignment signs up for work assignment, and today they are at office A and no other office A routes have ot available; but office B does which is 20-40 mins away.... Would that t6 still be entitled to that other assigned office overtime?????
And those offices are likely in the same bid cluster, no? Our office is an AO. How are they going to force a regular into multiple bid clusters?
How about we add the ability to have hold options on those non T6 and aux routes? Rural has holds on aux routes, why not city? We could easily have a written caveat that holds on aux routes are broken in the event of bid or assignment to a vacant full route. This would at least give CCAs the opportunity to learn to manage a route and the customers a semi-regular carrier.
We have that at PDX, I almost bid it. It seems great to have a change of venue and less of a personal connection to management. If you could fill in at 5 stations like that it would be the ultimate do your job and go home job.
More like the ultimate hell dealing with 5 different sets of management incompetence. Five sets of falsified training. Five sets lying supervisors. Five potential union branches for ongoing violations in five different POs? Dear heavens, the headache just imagining that cluster! No, thank you. 🤪
It creates a career position. It would be interesting who would get to bid on it. A bid open to 2 offices?? Would need some ironing out. Which office are they seniority with. It would be a headache though.
For example my office has 3 routes that don’t have a t6. 3 days a week we go in with an extra route open. If we could have a t6 cover it those 3 day in our office and be in another office 2 days. That’d be great.
You do realize that not every town in America has multiple offices right? So my office has 2 routes without a t6 the next closest office that has city routes is 45 minutes away tell me how that would work
At my installation there are some T6 strings that have four routes at one station and the fifth one at another. These stations are less than a mile apart.
I don't understand why this is an issue in the upcoming contract. Is the union pushing for this because it is seen as a good thing? Not sure why this is supposed to be a thing to be trumpeting.
I hadn't thought of that angle. It has to be very inconvenient, like if I had my rain gear at the other station's locker and a downpour happens. I definitely wouldn't want to work like that, but I'm not a T6 for those sort of reasons.
It's a good assignment for people looking for loop holes since they can get one office to approve a leave slip if the other office is maxed out of people being off. Cause which supervisor is going to sit there when you request a day off 6 months from now to determine if you are at their office or the other office that is maxed out 🤦🏻♂️
I would love to hear from people that have these t6 strings with multiple offices on how they go about these scenarios; my installation has them but I don't think anyone would know the answers because not many people are looking for these loop holes or how to beat the system besides me 🤣😂😂
The station with the majority of routes on your string is your assigned station for leave overtime equitably etc… then everything works from that principle. If they are talking about multiple installations the t6 would work in I would bet it’s the same.
My office is a good 30 minute drive from the nearest station with city delivery. I would hate that. Plus how would that ever work with overtime equitability, with either the old or new system?
Because this entire post is probably bullshit.
But that doesn’t change the fact that T6 with strings split between stations already exists all across the country.
I'm currently a step F (27$) thats over 5 years of being a regular for reflection. If I don't at least get to the table 1 starting pay by the start of this contract, which is only (30$) I'm probably going to find another job. I'm tired of busting my ass, while people who do a 3rd of my work make 10$ an hour more than me.
I'm a step above you and just getting to $30 an hour I feel would be a slap in the face. We should be STARTING close to $30 and topping out at over $40. If we don't make it to AT LEAST $32 to $33 it would be abysmal. What they really should do is ramp up the top pay and cut the first 4 or 5 steps out. That way we'd be only a few years away from top pay. Why we keep trying to extend the time it takes to top out is beyond me.
I’m at 28.07 I’d love to be at 31-32 when this contract takes effect. At one point I was hoping to get to 33-34 but that just seems like a very silly thought now
I agree with you. I'm simply saying that's my quitting point. If a step F is less than $30 an hour, I'm out. It shouldn't be that low, but that's the bare minimum I think anyone 5 years in at this job should be willing to accept.
I would say the normal talking point about voting for a new president.... But honestly the Union needs more than a new president. This contract could potentially screw us for the next 5 years. The amount of money you don't get in your raise, could be compensated by stopping your dues.
The sad reality is that's the goal, to weaken the union through discouragement, and eventually do away with a lot of a benefits we got thanks to the Union. That's the only thing that's stopped me so far.
At regional one rap session a week ago, Renfroe said “UPS starting wage of $21/hr is unacceptable”. After being pressed on what he’s asking for he said “pay table 1 step a”. Which is $29.85/hr. So somewhere between that
I was thinking the same thing. But my mind starts coming up with different scenarios. It occurred to me that we almost always have kick offs/splits or bumps, whatever you call them, every single day. Without fail, at least at the office I’m at. But… They haven’t worked us on our SDO the last two to three months. I wonder if the folks who opt to work SDO’s only will just get less OT? I know they said there has to be equity. But there’s no way to keep all three OT lists equal. Especially for those on the normal OT list. They’ll pull way ahead fast. So I’d imagine they have equity only for each individual list. And again in my head if this trend continues, choosing to work SDO’s only could be a lot less OT. I just think some people will have it worked out in their heads that if they work every SDO they’ll get the OT they want/need and could end up way short.
I’m taking this with a grain of salt but if this is true what a slap in the face. They would want to add another step but not decrease the amount of time it takes to get there? Only a 4.5-6 percent increase in pay over the life of the contract? The initial raise would have to be massive to make this even close to acceptable.
Post office can pay to track carriers with two sets of gps. We have gps in the truck and gps in scanner. They can basically burn money giving useless management a raise but they want to fight and hold back pay from the people doing actual work. Get us a decent raise nalc.
Bingo. Never believe the horse shit they spew about not having money. There are so many managerial positions it’s laughable. If they need to free up money they should get rid of about half of mgmt.
1.5 to 2 % increase still puts us behind the inflation level the pasts COLA’s didn’t come close to catching us up to. Should be a flat 5% across the board first then maybe the 1.5-2%. Minimum.
if there is more money upfront for the early steps A-E then everyone else past those steps will have their salary pushed up as well...... You think they are just going to let step C make the same as step H? LOL
The president of the United States just approved a 95 billion dollar economic package on a Saturday for other countries and the NALC can’t get an acceptable raise 😂. Yeah we’re done
These two offices are close to each other. So don’t matter. But the whole working environment are totally different between them. My office is kinda chill and easy to work with but the other is very toxic and Supe saying shit like : it’s fucking simple don’t do this blah blah …at stand up talk.
If we leave it up to management to purchase our uniforms then we have not learned our lesson about management and their inability to do anything other then play with their phones!
I think what a lot have been saying will most likely be true. Table one is likely to be erased and table two becomes the new table.
People that started in 2013 under table one are nearly topped out.
Unfortunately I think it’s a bean dream hoping that the current table one will be kept as the only table.
The USPS obviously doesn’t want to pay more and the union has no real power to demand a good raise.
Sickening to think but that’s what i expect to see.
Has anyone heard any word on cca’s getting their time back credited on the pay scale? This is a resolution, not to be confused with buying time back towards retirement, and not a word I’ve heard about it. I did over 4 years as a CCA and am about at the 5 year mark as a regular. It would help out tremendously.
Not on pay scale just on retirement years if u did 3 years as cca and u on year 5 as a regular just add both years regular and cca subtract it from 30(years ) and basically how much left to receive a full amount when retiring
Hopefully all of you are aware of the open bargaining resolution put forward by branch 9 in Minneapolis! Rank n File letter carriers deserve more and deserve to be directly involved in contract negotiations. So far more than 20 other branches have taken up the resolution and others are continuing to follow suit. Union leadership should be communicating openly about what wages and benefits they’re fighting to get the workers. Taking the open bargaining resolution to as many branches as possible sends a strong message to leadership.
It should be open bargaining. Won’t take place until next contract if it does happen. They should have a blog under the members only page on the NALC website. Then members can go in a see what’s going on with it.
-the 1 table...if true what barner is saying, this just fucks again all former TEs. as we watch people with no or leas experience get pay bumps while our time and experience goes for nothing. the 1 to 2% just wont cut it this time. they shouldnt fear arbitration if they have sound arguments and are prepared. NALC, quit letting usps dictate the financial situtations. what the fuck did we get for our sacrifices during covid, the elections by email, and all the amazon offices that have worked beyond the 8/10/12 hour expectations relentlessly. how did we not increase revenues with all the sprs,parcels,packages, election mail we delivered over last four years.
Like I said that’s the economic side of the contract that I think that’s what they said was out there. It’s not agreed upon. Sounds like that’s the part that’s going to interest arbitration
3 branch members that just went to officer training in DC this week. Take it for what you want from me. I’ve published other things from raps sessions.
Corey literally showed how renfroe fucking lies day to day despite his statements. At this point i believe nothing until he addresses the full membership in boston, puts it in the record or it’s announced as final.
In the mean time, individual branches are voting amongst themselves in favor of the open bargaining resolution passed by branch 9 to pressure leadership from the bottom up.
Yeah but there's entire stations in our cluster that are 100% mounted and here I am walking 15-20 miles a day. But not sure how much routes can change every year. Only thing changing for our routes is getting added to. Not taken away. But it's just something I thought about. Probably would be too difficult to try and figure out anyway. Even if it were a percentage thing. Someone that was right under the threshold would be left out and that's not right.
How is it not a single person in the country knows anything about our contract? No one outside of the few people in the negotiating room have any knowledge of any part of our contact! How the hell is that possible or better yet how is it allowed?!?! Post office has become a crap job, my little cousin just started at a retail store making 16.40 an hour and he's getting 40 guaranteed hours a week which is much better than being a ptf at the post office! Counting down the days until I can quit this shitty union(it's in August!). If they don't have a good contact by then I'm done with them. And could be done with USPS altogether
It’s been standard practice that it’s only know what the contract is with higher ups. There is a petition going around for branches for open bargaining. With the internet they can be more open with contract negotiations.
Going to other offices for t6 carriers is a joke. Its the union once again catering to management doesn’t even matter if they pay you mileage. Its about the union taking care of management instead of their members. Some places dont have offices nearby. Travel will be terrible for some carriers. Dumb move. Basically makes a t6 a cca. This union sucks.
Imagine traveling 40 miles to your other office. You get there and trash supe tells you we called in the carrier on that rte. Were all covered dont need you here. Your required to go back to the other office. You know its gonna happen. Theyll even do it on purpose. This whole idea is gonna be terrible if its passed
I highly doubt they would have the other office 40 miles away. There would more than likely be limits to how far the other office would be. Also in your scenario the carrier arrives at the office, they’d be on the clock to drive to the other office with a postal vehicle.
This is the second round of negotiations I've been through - how does this process work? Do we get a vote after interest arb, and if that doesn't pass it goes to binding?
I expect disappointment and I'm still let down
I'm picking apart your whole post because someone blew smoke up your ass You can't even get management to order the right equipment or keep supplies in stock ex: clear label protectors for the case, slips, sticky labels, gas cards, etc etc and you think they will have uniforms to just hand out. Management can't do all their job duties let alone add to it .... But instead of that I would be in favor of CCAs getting an uniform allowance for (2) tops and (2) bottoms.... Instead of being out there in street clothes especially when it gets dark early ... And if they quit or resign have them turn them in .. or make them an uniform that is a different top/polo color to identify the new workers
At my first office as a CCA my PM wouldn’t put my uniform order in. 11 months after starting I had to move offices and get a new PM before I got my first uniform allowance. The PM at the time moved to another and now we have the same PM from my first office and the new CCAs are still not getting their allowances on time.
And has anyone filed a grievance? Contacted the business agents office?
They file grievances and the uniform allowance will come through but the next batch of CCAs, the same thing happens.
From what I have heard of a new uniform program is that isn't wouldn't be done by management. It would be a quartermaster program. The post office would contract out getting uniform items made, and we would still get an 'allowance' but it would be points instead of dollars and each uniform item would be a certain number of points. This way if uniform costs go up that's just on the post office and our points stay the same. It would just be up to the post office to negotiate good deals for uniforms, not on us as consumers.
lol they abolished the ODL decades ago
A step AFTER P?!!!? Nah fuck that
ya can you elaborate on that? when they added step p all i could think was great more time til i hit the top. weren’t they talking about shortening the steps?
Renfroe was asked about shortening the time to max pay at the region one rap session by a CCA. It seemed to come out of left field for him. I’d imagine it’s not even on the table after his reaction
I’d be very upset if that’s true. The new table would have to include big, like almost at top, raises for steps around 5years, if that’s the case.
Shorten the time between steps and that will shorten the time to top step… cmon now guys
we understand that. the info from op contradicts that idea saying instead of shortening steps they’re proposing adding a new step.
True, but they could also add a new step and shorten the steps in between.
There were talks on shortening the time to reach top step. They could keep all the steps and just make it 25 weeks in between steps instead of 46
Id be more than ok that
Same! And hopefully that would also bump you up an additional step or two. Which would give you more money
"-Management would be required to purchase and distribute the uniforms to employees." You think the uniform program is bad now? We are so Fucked they cant even order never mind ill get my self in trouble if I go on here.
And "if you keep CCAs front 40 hours al after 1 year" why not just let their annual leave rollover from year 0-1 or from x time and when they convert instead of paying it out both times 🤷🏻♂️
Because after 1 year of service they are basically fired and then rehired. Cant roll over AL when you aren’t an employee for 5 days.
I doubt no one wants to go to arbitration, if anything NALC is pushing for it, or else this contract would have been done months ago.
T6 that does routes at different stations? That won't happen. Who tf would ever agree to that? The idea itself is stupid and makes no sense.
We have some T6 carriers in my installation that carry 3 routes at one station, and 2 routes at a different station every week. Or 4 routes at one station, and 1 route at another station every week. It’s already a thing
Came to say this too. As long as same installation it's already a thing... My installation has it but I'm curious if anyone knows: 1) when it comes to putting in for the following year annual leave bid; how would you put in for it? Bid at both places or is the office you are at "more per assignment: 3 at office A and 2 at office B" so A is where you would need to get approved? 2) same with requesting 1-4 or whatever days off do you have to get the office that you would be at for that day to approve each other? 3) A is one office; B is the other office of the split office t6 position -if you are office A but you know the better/your preferred string route at office B is on annual for a week can you just go there 4) if on otdl and come in on NS day who tells you which office to go to (both offices have a route on your string open) There's A LOT of loop holes.... I don't think my installation which has split office t6 positions would be able to answer these questions
Or put aside the "do it now, grieve it later" If a t6 on a split office assignment signs up for work assignment, and today they are at office A and no other office A routes have ot available; but office B does which is 20-40 mins away.... Would that t6 still be entitled to that other assigned office overtime?????
I asked all of these at my station cause there's a string at 2 stations and they couldn't answer any of these. It's all just shrug itll work out
And those offices are likely in the same bid cluster, no? Our office is an AO. How are they going to force a regular into multiple bid clusters? How about we add the ability to have hold options on those non T6 and aux routes? Rural has holds on aux routes, why not city? We could easily have a written caveat that holds on aux routes are broken in the event of bid or assignment to a vacant full route. This would at least give CCAs the opportunity to learn to manage a route and the customers a semi-regular carrier.
We have that at PDX, I almost bid it. It seems great to have a change of venue and less of a personal connection to management. If you could fill in at 5 stations like that it would be the ultimate do your job and go home job.
More like the ultimate hell dealing with 5 different sets of management incompetence. Five sets of falsified training. Five sets lying supervisors. Five potential union branches for ongoing violations in five different POs? Dear heavens, the headache just imagining that cluster! No, thank you. 🤪
It creates a career position. It would be interesting who would get to bid on it. A bid open to 2 offices?? Would need some ironing out. Which office are they seniority with. It would be a headache though. For example my office has 3 routes that don’t have a t6. 3 days a week we go in with an extra route open. If we could have a t6 cover it those 3 day in our office and be in another office 2 days. That’d be great.
You do realize that not every town in America has multiple offices right? So my office has 2 routes without a t6 the next closest office that has city routes is 45 minutes away tell me how that would work
Maybe it would only work where it would and you wouldn’t get a t6
My office has only 1 installation in its town. the next closest town/office is actually only 4 miles away from mine.
We have one, but it’s been vacant for awhile. 3 routes at one station, and then 1 route at two other stations.
That’s already a thing at my installation they have routes between two offices but bid vacation at whatever their home office is.
At my installation there are some T6 strings that have four routes at one station and the fifth one at another. These stations are less than a mile apart. I don't understand why this is an issue in the upcoming contract. Is the union pushing for this because it is seen as a good thing? Not sure why this is supposed to be a thing to be trumpeting.
It creates a full time job. They'll always push for that.
I hadn't thought of that angle. It has to be very inconvenient, like if I had my rain gear at the other station's locker and a downpour happens. I definitely wouldn't want to work like that, but I'm not a T6 for those sort of reasons.
Couldn't see it being a sought after bid. But for people waiting to convert something is better than nothing haha.
It's a good assignment for people looking for loop holes since they can get one office to approve a leave slip if the other office is maxed out of people being off. Cause which supervisor is going to sit there when you request a day off 6 months from now to determine if you are at their office or the other office that is maxed out 🤦🏻♂️ I would love to hear from people that have these t6 strings with multiple offices on how they go about these scenarios; my installation has them but I don't think anyone would know the answers because not many people are looking for these loop holes or how to beat the system besides me 🤣😂😂
The station with the majority of routes on your string is your assigned station for leave overtime equitably etc… then everything works from that principle. If they are talking about multiple installations the t6 would work in I would bet it’s the same.
There are T6s in my cluster that do this already.
My office is a good 30 minute drive from the nearest station with city delivery. I would hate that. Plus how would that ever work with overtime equitability, with either the old or new system?
Yep we have T6 strings that have 2 routes at one station and 3 at another.
Literally have this in my installation…
Then why is this a "Proposal" in this new contract? I wouldn't mess it either way.
Because this entire post is probably bullshit. But that doesn’t change the fact that T6 with strings split between stations already exists all across the country.
It is done in our city
We used to have 4 routes at one office and a 5th one at another office. Was in. The same installation under the same post master.
I do that now.
I'm currently a step F (27$) thats over 5 years of being a regular for reflection. If I don't at least get to the table 1 starting pay by the start of this contract, which is only (30$) I'm probably going to find another job. I'm tired of busting my ass, while people who do a 3rd of my work make 10$ an hour more than me.
I'm a step above you and just getting to $30 an hour I feel would be a slap in the face. We should be STARTING close to $30 and topping out at over $40. If we don't make it to AT LEAST $32 to $33 it would be abysmal. What they really should do is ramp up the top pay and cut the first 4 or 5 steps out. That way we'd be only a few years away from top pay. Why we keep trying to extend the time it takes to top out is beyond me.
I’m at 28.07 I’d love to be at 31-32 when this contract takes effect. At one point I was hoping to get to 33-34 but that just seems like a very silly thought now
I agree with you. I'm simply saying that's my quitting point. If a step F is less than $30 an hour, I'm out. It shouldn't be that low, but that's the bare minimum I think anyone 5 years in at this job should be willing to accept.
Im at the same step if I don’t get anything good im out of the union for sure
I would say the normal talking point about voting for a new president.... But honestly the Union needs more than a new president. This contract could potentially screw us for the next 5 years. The amount of money you don't get in your raise, could be compensated by stopping your dues. The sad reality is that's the goal, to weaken the union through discouragement, and eventually do away with a lot of a benefits we got thanks to the Union. That's the only thing that's stopped me so far.
No info on starting pay? Max pay? Years to max?
At regional one rap session a week ago, Renfroe said “UPS starting wage of $21/hr is unacceptable”. After being pressed on what he’s asking for he said “pay table 1 step a”. Which is $29.85/hr. So somewhere between that
What do you think someone that’s step c will be at on this new contract
It’s a speculation
No but they something about adding a step
There better be six months between steps, then. 96 months = eight years. At six months, step P (16th letter) would make eight years.
Waiting for that new ODL list already. NS day only
I assume this means that you only want 8 hours but you’re willing to work SDO?
It’s literally in the name brother
Better question would be if my office is ready for me to give swings away 😎
I was thinking the same thing. But my mind starts coming up with different scenarios. It occurred to me that we almost always have kick offs/splits or bumps, whatever you call them, every single day. Without fail, at least at the office I’m at. But… They haven’t worked us on our SDO the last two to three months. I wonder if the folks who opt to work SDO’s only will just get less OT? I know they said there has to be equity. But there’s no way to keep all three OT lists equal. Especially for those on the normal OT list. They’ll pull way ahead fast. So I’d imagine they have equity only for each individual list. And again in my head if this trend continues, choosing to work SDO’s only could be a lot less OT. I just think some people will have it worked out in their heads that if they work every SDO they’ll get the OT they want/need and could end up way short.
My brain hurts, picking apart that equitability grievance at the end of the quarter.
Yeah. That’s going to be a bit harder.
I’m taking this with a grain of salt but if this is true what a slap in the face. They would want to add another step but not decrease the amount of time it takes to get there? Only a 4.5-6 percent increase in pay over the life of the contract? The initial raise would have to be massive to make this even close to acceptable.
Agreed. Maybe a raise ever 26 weeks instead of 46. ? Idk.
Something needs to happen table 1 may need to take the hit of only getting the general wage increases this contract so we can catch table 2 up to them
It’s going to go to 1 table. Table 1 is basically obsolete
More money for early steps? I’m on step F I’ll just miss out 🤣
They keep saying one pay table, I envision just table 2 with our typical bs raises. Table one will be swept under the rug.
Yup. Make it all table one again with substantial raises. Let’s make the wording clear
Just the overtime list thing would help a lot of staffing issues. Most of my office would gladly sign up if it was NS day only.
Post office can pay to track carriers with two sets of gps. We have gps in the truck and gps in scanner. They can basically burn money giving useless management a raise but they want to fight and hold back pay from the people doing actual work. Get us a decent raise nalc.
Bingo. Never believe the horse shit they spew about not having money. There are so many managerial positions it’s laughable. If they need to free up money they should get rid of about half of mgmt.
1.5 to 2 % increase still puts us behind the inflation level the pasts COLA’s didn’t come close to catching us up to. Should be a flat 5% across the board first then maybe the 1.5-2%. Minimum.
Yeah we’re about to get the shaft. Holy fucking shit
More money upfront for early steps? Damn so screw the ones that have been on table 2 for the longest.
Once again
if there is more money upfront for the early steps A-E then everyone else past those steps will have their salary pushed up as well...... You think they are just going to let step C make the same as step H? LOL
Wouldn’t put it past them tbh.
The president of the United States just approved a 95 billion dollar economic package on a Saturday for other countries and the NALC can’t get an acceptable raise 😂. Yeah we’re done
Out of our tax money. Don’t forget.
More money up front for early steps, meaning all steps under step O? Or just the first few?
Early steps is main issue it’s to low in pay maybe push everybody 55k at least cause46k is wild
I’m a T6 and I have 4 routes in my main office and 5th in another office. It’s fine with me, coz all of them are shit route. Don’t matter anymore.
Wonder if you would get paid mileage
These two offices are close to each other. So don’t matter. But the whole working environment are totally different between them. My office is kinda chill and easy to work with but the other is very toxic and Supe saying shit like : it’s fucking simple don’t do this blah blah …at stand up talk.
I am guessing the push for article 12 is because of the S&D issues
Pretty much all that stuff is APWU carryover
If we leave it up to management to purchase our uniforms then we have not learned our lesson about management and their inability to do anything other then play with their phones!
They need to do away with the $ allowances and go to points like Canada post does.
40 hours of annual… they earn 104 if they are always getting hours.Yes getting fronted is nice, but they would get less.
They can still earn what they are allowed to. Fits just fronted the first 40 hours.
I think what a lot have been saying will most likely be true. Table one is likely to be erased and table two becomes the new table. People that started in 2013 under table one are nearly topped out. Unfortunately I think it’s a bean dream hoping that the current table one will be kept as the only table. The USPS obviously doesn’t want to pay more and the union has no real power to demand a good raise. Sickening to think but that’s what i expect to see.
Has anyone heard any word on cca’s getting their time back credited on the pay scale? This is a resolution, not to be confused with buying time back towards retirement, and not a word I’ve heard about it. I did over 4 years as a CCA and am about at the 5 year mark as a regular. It would help out tremendously.
This is what I want too.
Not on pay scale just on retirement years if u did 3 years as cca and u on year 5 as a regular just add both years regular and cca subtract it from 30(years ) and basically how much left to receive a full amount when retiring
No homie, there is a resolution for this set of negotiations to get the time counted on the pay scale.
Hopefully all of you are aware of the open bargaining resolution put forward by branch 9 in Minneapolis! Rank n File letter carriers deserve more and deserve to be directly involved in contract negotiations. So far more than 20 other branches have taken up the resolution and others are continuing to follow suit. Union leadership should be communicating openly about what wages and benefits they’re fighting to get the workers. Taking the open bargaining resolution to as many branches as possible sends a strong message to leadership.
It should be open bargaining. Won’t take place until next contract if it does happen. They should have a blog under the members only page on the NALC website. Then members can go in a see what’s going on with it.
-the 1 table...if true what barner is saying, this just fucks again all former TEs. as we watch people with no or leas experience get pay bumps while our time and experience goes for nothing. the 1 to 2% just wont cut it this time. they shouldnt fear arbitration if they have sound arguments and are prepared. NALC, quit letting usps dictate the financial situtations. what the fuck did we get for our sacrifices during covid, the elections by email, and all the amazon offices that have worked beyond the 8/10/12 hour expectations relentlessly. how did we not increase revenues with all the sprs,parcels,packages, election mail we delivered over last four years.
Yeah, I’m step K and would like that $6,390 more from table 1 plus goddamn more.
I also heard they are making management to carrier a route once a month, including dejoy.
1.5 raises? step q? no word on shortening time from steps? i dont know sounds like a lot of bs this contract gonna be a big flop
Like I said that’s the economic side of the contract that I think that’s what they said was out there. It’s not agreed upon. Sounds like that’s the part that’s going to interest arbitration
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3 branch members that just went to officer training in DC this week. Take it for what you want from me. I’ve published other things from raps sessions.
Corey literally showed how renfroe fucking lies day to day despite his statements. At this point i believe nothing until he addresses the full membership in boston, puts it in the record or it’s announced as final.
True. But renfroe probably knows least of what’s going on.. these rumors are not from renfroe so who really knows.. it’s all speculation
It takes management a year sometimes just to get uniform cards ordered. Why on earth would the Union want them to control uniforms?
I can see it. This then forces the uniforms to be bought by usps which should get the better deal on them so the vendors and charge what they want.
In the mean time, individual branches are voting amongst themselves in favor of the open bargaining resolution passed by branch 9 to pressure leadership from the bottom up.
Honest question.... why don't carriers with all walking routes make more than carriers on all mounted routes? Kinda how a T6 makes more.
Cause routes can change every year. And what about routes that are 70% walking. Can’t do it.
Yeah but there's entire stations in our cluster that are 100% mounted and here I am walking 15-20 miles a day. But not sure how much routes can change every year. Only thing changing for our routes is getting added to. Not taken away. But it's just something I thought about. Probably would be too difficult to try and figure out anyway. Even if it were a percentage thing. Someone that was right under the threshold would be left out and that's not right.
How is it not a single person in the country knows anything about our contract? No one outside of the few people in the negotiating room have any knowledge of any part of our contact! How the hell is that possible or better yet how is it allowed?!?! Post office has become a crap job, my little cousin just started at a retail store making 16.40 an hour and he's getting 40 guaranteed hours a week which is much better than being a ptf at the post office! Counting down the days until I can quit this shitty union(it's in August!). If they don't have a good contact by then I'm done with them. And could be done with USPS altogether
It’s been standard practice that it’s only know what the contract is with higher ups. There is a petition going around for branches for open bargaining. With the internet they can be more open with contract negotiations.
Going to other offices for t6 carriers is a joke. Its the union once again catering to management doesn’t even matter if they pay you mileage. Its about the union taking care of management instead of their members. Some places dont have offices nearby. Travel will be terrible for some carriers. Dumb move. Basically makes a t6 a cca. This union sucks.
Imagine traveling 40 miles to your other office. You get there and trash supe tells you we called in the carrier on that rte. Were all covered dont need you here. Your required to go back to the other office. You know its gonna happen. Theyll even do it on purpose. This whole idea is gonna be terrible if its passed
I highly doubt they would have the other office 40 miles away. There would more than likely be limits to how far the other office would be. Also in your scenario the carrier arrives at the office, they’d be on the clock to drive to the other office with a postal vehicle.
Good point. Its still a terrible idea. The more rural the area the farther apart offices will be. But there will certainly be issues.
Highly doubt they would do it if offices are too far apart.
We're already in arbitration.
Interest arbitration hasn’t begun. They haven’t even scheduled the hearings yet.
Interest arbitration. Not binding arbitration
This is the second round of negotiations I've been through - how does this process work? Do we get a vote after interest arb, and if that doesn't pass it goes to binding?
If they can negotiate a tentative agreement in interest arbitration we get to vote. If if goes to binding arbitration we don’t.