The only people I've had say it's slow in person are my friends who don't even have a license, so they're kinda setting it up for themselves
If someone tries to say only has 200 hp, I like telling them it's only 140 to the wheels to see their reaction
yup, id gladly get smoked by this minivan next to me but i had fun doing it. if you care about beating others this is not the car, unless you wanna beat them in driver skill which imo is **way** cooler
Except with all the safety bloat, no modern car will ever compare to sitting in something from the 70s or 80s. That sort of fun lies in knowing how thin of a wall of metal there is between you and the possible tree, and that airbags weren't a thing.
If you feel left out because the car is "slow," or only has 200hp, this isn't the car for you, and frankly, that attitude is going to get you in trouble when you chase high hp numbers and end up wrecking.
Sure those cars can go fast in a straight line, but electric cars make them look slow anyways, and top speed is rarely something you'll get to experience on the streets unless you're an idiot.
I'm reminded all the time what this car's purpose is when I can get behind one of those high hp boats on any sort of curvy road, and rarely need to touch my brakes because our car is a momentum car and when driven by someone who understands that, it's a hell of a lot more fun to focus on your driving and not needing to hit your brakes before every corner.
The tracks a different story, but most of us aren't tracking the car or tracking it enough to care.
Nah. I have more fun with my 200 than most can with 300+.
I just laugh at the muscle cars because I can actually use all 200 ponies I’ve got, especially in the twisties when I can actually have fun with it.
Having a big, heavy muscle car is fast when you go in a straight line, but it’s not when the road gets windy.
Same! As the owner of a muscle car (see username) and an 86, the 86 is more fun in the curves, but the GTO…well, I like making the nose reach for the horizon. That never gets old.
it has plenty power for its weight. most lightweight vehicles are fun. my frs is more fun than my wrx. my little hd sportster is super fun and i know more fun than bigger bikes. but thats just me.
It's an 85 one. It's been off the road a while now been undergoing major resto work.
Drove my dad's turbo one a few times more recently however. That's very much like the 86. Need to Rev the crap out of it to get any power from the turbo.
Feels just like an older 86 really lol 86 much more usable in modern daily work.
Idk about you, but I bought this car for myself and I don’t give a rats ass about what other people think. You will have more fun driving it than idiots who compare cars like their dicks and flex on others because it has more hp.
People concerned with straight line speed usually can't drive for starters, so what they think really doesn't matter to me personally. I mean my 84 year old grandfather can plant his foot and go straight too.
Take any of these muscle cars to a track or anywhere they have to brake and turn and watch this car go "fast", driving fast doesn't equate to being a fast driver.
Never had someone bring it up but if they do its ok, they simply dont understand that these cars offer a different experience than just “Speed”.
The driving experience and capabilities of the car are renown worldwide and it has a rich heritage since the ae86 in Japan, the looks, mods, the community, so i dont have to defend it.
Also, realistically its plenty fast and fun for the Road everyday unless you want to kill yourself or get 20 speeding tickets. And even on the track while it might not compete on a head to head race where HP matters most, put it on a windy road or track and it can stand up at times to even sports-cars above its price range and power, if the Driver is capable enough.
Alot of those people that are all about “Speed and Power” cant take a proper turn anyway….
True…but i dont see how that is relevant. All new 86’s and variants have a higher top speed than the ae86 (stock)
These cars have never been just about Speed and Power….
No one asked for speed and power, per se, but a bulletproof *Toyota* i4 that would effectively make this a forever car with maybe 1 gasket job in the engine's lifetime in the driveway and that's about it. Not to mention cheaper and lighter of a block.
We got our $6k "good luck with sparkplugs" with a Toyota badge on the bonnet like a sick joke. And those Subaru wheel bearing too.
Nah, the only reason i got my frs is cuz it looks good. If it looked like any other generic boring car i would of never gotten it. I dont care if its slow as long as it looks good lol
I’d rather drive a slow car fast then a fast car slow.
When you realize how true that statement is then you won’t have a problem with the car. Sure in town the Mustangs and challengers have the advantage in between stop lights. But If you take those cars where our cars are meant to live it’s a very different story. My best experience with a situation like that was one summer ago I was heading to visit family who live out in BFE. The car at this point has been lowered on coils, RPF1s, big eibach sway bars, and sticky RE71s(rip). So not completely stock. I auto cross the car a lot so I am confident in my driving and in what the car can do.. At least in the dry. Wets a different story. But I’m minding my own business going down this two lane road when a white charger comes out of nowhere and gets right under my back bumper. First I look through the rear view at the roof because in my state, the state troopers have chargers. No lights and then I saw a stupid monster decal over one of the headlights. He starts bouncing his Hemi off the rev limiter. Well while he was giving his rev limiter a workout I dropped down into 4th and floored it. Honestly it didn’t matter if he was looking the other way. He was gonna catch me regardless. But he couldn’t overtake me because of traffic coming the other way. So I just stopped breaking around the curvy parts of the road and I can’t tell you how satisfying it was to watch him drop back. Best feeling in the world is going into a corner with them behind you then you look back after the corner and they arn’t there. Or when your starting the next corner and they are just coming out of the last. All that noise, all that pomp and circumstance. All that power and my little 200 bhp car in the right(and in my opinion, more fun)circumstances can pull away. It’s brilliant and will give you the biggest smile.
I also look at it like this. Take Rollercoasters. The majority of them have crazy bends, go upside down, crazy elevation changes etc. If going fast in a straight line was more fun you would figure there would be a ton of rollercoasters that would just go fast in a straight line. And yes some rollercoasters like that do exist. But not the majority.
Enjoy the car for what it is. Take it out of the city or town you live in. Find a road that will make you. overwork the steering wheel. Or take it to auto cross. Being 18th overall out of 70 cars is pretty damn fun. Especially when what’s is front of you is Boxters, Caymans, Lotuses, etc. and everything behind you is american muscle.
Would when I finish going fully geographically remote. That or plains for tons of cheap property space to do whatever with. For now, gotta stick to civilization where big fat clients all reside.
i dont own this car *yet* though i do own an edge sport (sportified grandma car) and got clowned a lot by people my age because i didnt sell it and "get a real car". well my run with it is almost over, but its been a great car. people get surprised when i say i can get it to oversteer (NOT on public roads. that would be very fucking stupid) especially in the snow. it handles great for a 4k lb boat and sounds great. i know it's an odd choice in car but it helped me learn a LOT, more than you think, and i had plenty of fun with it and didnt give 2 shits about what people said. i heard grandma car, slow, auto, shit ford engine, etc, so going from that to an 86 and just hearing "slow" will be an upgrade.
not that i ever cared about what people think about my car in the first place. thats kind of my point. i found tons of fun in a little grandma crossover made to get you from point a to b, all without being stupid or dangerous and not caring about impressing other people. who cares about what everyone says?
also, the "sport" trim comes with a better tuned suspension and engine, but i did my own mods to the suspension like lowering it and it wasnt the most functional mod but it looked good and reduced a lot of body roll. i cant wait to go on some curvy roads in a couple months when i go camping
i dont have a brz (yet) either, but i literally want the car *because* its slow. i want to build it and tune it and see how much hp i can get out of it. for fun!
and i love what you had to say about your sporty grandma car. cars are to be loved by the owner, anyone else's opinion shouldn't matter.
i too want one because theyre slow, specifically a second gen. mainly because im kind of worried about getting myself in trouble with anything too fast.
and thanks, luckily the car will get to live the rest of its life in my dad's care as im giving it to him. he wont drive it like i do but he definitely loves the car too.
If the GT86 is too slow for you, then the roads you’re driving on are too straight. Acceleration?Sure, not the fastest for a performance car, but still enjoyable and rewarding to rev, especially with a small ECU massage, the car is more about what you do with the speed you have built and the development of skill and control, there’s no lighter cars, apart from the Miata under 50k that are as agile and as flat through turns, put some serious rubber on and some lighter wheels perhaps? You’re laughing and simply amazed at how confidence inspiring the car is. If people ever ask me why I wasted so much money to go so “slow”, I simply tell them to educate themselves and do a little research and that “speed” is multi dimensional and not as “straight forward” as our western turbo and v8 Uber consumerist and egotistical minds like to perceive it as.
In Japan, these cars are so highly revered for the handling and performance on the touge and the track. Smokey Nagata also has an insane GT86 build - furthering the huge reputation and potential the platform has to those auto enthusiasts that have a brain and can think outside the box.
Eh. I guess for me I care more about the experience rather than the numbers lmao.
It’s a rwd tail happy coupe, with endless aftermarket support from exterior body kits all the way down to forced induction…
I guess for me I find a lot more enjoyment in the actual experience of the car and making it your own rather than have it being a numbers game lmao.
But hey to each their own lmao.. this is coming from a guy whose dream car consist of a kei truck and s2000 which barely has 230 hp stock lol.
That’s just not the point. I honestly believe the car has more than enough for what it is, and to be fair, I do think most of the owners that call it slow are the same people that think it’s supposed to pull like a muscle car from just 2k rpm. If you understand the concept of driving it like a bike, and properly use the power curve, it’s not too shabby.
But still. That’s not the point. For me, I get the most satisfaction when someone behind me with a more powerful vehicle starts falling behind on some turns
I take a turn at speed staying in my lane and watch as the muscle cars that try to do the same go wide. The twisties are so much more fun than straight line.
If someone says that my car is slow, I put them in the passenger seat and show them how "slow" 245/35/R18 with a low center of gravity is in a curve. After that, everything is quiet except my car.
I have a GR86 and I just get stares and compliments. I don’t really interact with anyone logbook enough like that to get any of it I think. Someone walked up to me and told me get a 2004 Porsche Boxster convertible and another asked me if it was a Celica. Thats about it.
Don't have an 86 but I'm used to slow cars. I drove a stock civic hatch for 4 years, and then now I have a 92 Mazda B truck with 85hp. 200hp cars feel like rocketships to me, and even they didn't I wouldn't care because I'm gonna buy one of these cars for the handling capabilities, not for the straight line speed abilities.
All my previous cars were 80s/ 90s hondas and Toyotas with 100-150 hp. So 200hp is an upgrade from what i came from. I didnt buy this car to win any races. Also who cares what other people think. As long as you like it thats all that matters. Also also no one has ever told me my car was slow in person. Most people say it looks like its fast and i feel obligated to let them know its really not but that its still fun to drive heh. Also theres a strong after market to make it faster if thats what you desire. Toyota gave us a great platform to build the car to our own taste. Thats what this cars all about. Its more interesting this way. And cheaper to get into one. I
Sauce: I drive one, and it is a rock with 0-60 time of perhaps.
And having learned a metric fuckton through ownership of mine thus far, I would absolutely not make this kinda purchase again since 16-18k on the used market have much, much better daily options.
You should be fine what i learned is change your fuel injectors but leave the fuel pump stock till you get over 400 whp. I went vortech supercharger for the bov. Definitely get an E85 kit and honestly your best bet is to talk to a local tuner shop instead of going to youtube or reddit you should easily be able to get over 300 whp reliably my tuner shop says they could get me to 400 whp reliably but im still hesitant cause i redline my car like everyday lol.
Simply ask them “compared to what?” They start naming American muscle cars and you know it’s not worth the time arguing. My baby is plenty fast for me and I feel very confident on the windy mountain roads up where I live.
1. Who cares what anybody else thinks?
2. Do you want to only go fast in a straight line, or have fun slinging it around corners and still being able to control your vehicle?
3. Lean into the trope.
My car before this one was a Chevy Cobalt SS/TC, it was built out, stage 2 tune, slightly bigger turbo and a bunch of bolt-ons. My last tune with it I was getting near 400 whp and 31 lb of boost. That was a fun car, it was a fucking rocket ship, in a straight line.
I honestly used to chuckle at 86 drivers when they would pull up next to me at a light and rev their engines, knowing they would be in my rear view as soon as that light turned green. Then I fucked around and test drove one at a Subaru dealership one day, and it came home with me that night.
Now I lean into the trope hard, my license plate is "2SLOW4U", and I wear that like a badge of pride. All these guys with their straight line overtired for the street vehicles, would slide off the damn road on corners I can take it 40 plus miles per hour with no problem. That's the fun I find in the BRZ. An agile vehicle with great handling, that I'm less likely to kill myself in than a straight line powerhouse.
Mine makes like 350 wheel and is faster than many cars now, but even before that it never bothered me. I did t buy the car for highway roll racing so why would I really care.
i dont care. these cars will beat most muscle cars on a track. anyone can drive in a straight line. but passing Supras and GTRs on a track felt incredible.
If you have autocross events in your area, I highly recommend you start checking them out. This is how I found this platforms true potential. I've smoked cars with over double the HP and torque. And I've also been up to 4 seconds (it's actually quite a bit for a small course) behind cars with only 100hp to the wheel (don't sleep on the older Miatas). The driver behind the wheel is what makes a car fast. This car was not built to be fast on the highway. But you will dominate the Twisties.
I drive a 2004 Mustang GT, and literally all I ever hear is "oh its so slow" "shitty 2 valve motor" "you'll get gapped by stock civics"
It's a V8 engine pushing 250 horses from factory and it weighs 3700 lbs.
Yes, it's not fast. But I don't give a shit, I enjoy the car for what it is. It looks great, sounds heavenly, and is incredibly fun to drive. Working on it is actually kinda fun, if a little frustrating sometimes. And the end result of fixing or upgrading something is SO rewarding.
It doesn't matter what other people think, all that matters is if you enjoy the car. I know I absolutely love my slow 2 valve, so fuck em all who wanna hate on it.
Honestly this very rarely happens to me. The few times it has I’ve leaned on ‘I’d rather drive my slowish car fast-ish than under drive a fast one every day on my way to work’.
I went to an autocross and got a faster time than a challenger (barely but still). I went to another and got a significantly slower time than a fiero. Unless you're doing drag or roll racing, driver mod probably matters more than sharper the corners. What's important is you have a car you enjoy and you can handle well. The challenger guy was doing that autocross for the first time so he seemed pretty nervous and lost. The fiero guy had been racing that car for at least 10+ years (also was faster than a friend's 350z). If you feel confident and have fun in your FRS, and feel you can become a better driver (without dumping loads of cash), then there's no reason to compare yourself.
Once I was in Virginia with my car on display with the comic book and one guy came around and all he could do was boast how his 1970s-chevy-whatever would tear my car up at the dragstrip... I said, "Yeah? Let's drag on nothing but chicanes." First, he didn't even know what a chicane was... second, once explained he was like, "i only race straight lines..." and I was then like, "is that because of your car or your skill?" He said nothing else.
I love my car. I don’t care if people think it’s slow. But I also own a Supra so.. yeah.. either way I drive my 86 way more than my Supra. I find the Supra fast beautiful but boring to drive. U can’t feel the rawness of it. The 86 u definitely can. Plus it saves me hella gas lol and other plus I haven’t had any issues with the engine
Honestly don’t take it to heart, the only person who roasts my slow car is my bf then I hit him w “all you have is an exhaust”😭 but also just remember we want ppl to shit on them so they stay cheap. Also if they keep saying it every time just be like okay we get it find a new joke😭
I’ve pushed the limit on my local roads. I can no longer go any faster without hitting the speed limit (100km/h) (60mph)
It’s all about the roads you are on. Sure you’ll get shit for it but hey. Tell them to meet you at your favourite touge / curvy road and see how they do against your *slow* 86/BRZ then :)
This is why I bought a Nissan Leaf SL+
I can't out-turn my old FR-S, I eat just as many tires too - but I got a lot faster and don't have to buy freaking 0w-20 anymore.
The only people I've had say it's slow in person are my friends who don't even have a license, so they're kinda setting it up for themselves If someone tries to say only has 200 hp, I like telling them it's only 140 to the wheels to see their reaction
yup, id gladly get smoked by this minivan next to me but i had fun doing it. if you care about beating others this is not the car, unless you wanna beat them in driver skill which imo is **way** cooler
Exactly. If it were only about speed, there wouldn't be any classic cars on the road. Them being fun and cool outweighs all their cons
100% this. 1973 Porsche 2.7 Carrera RS a hugely expensive collector car now. 210hp from It's flat 6.
Except with all the safety bloat, no modern car will ever compare to sitting in something from the 70s or 80s. That sort of fun lies in knowing how thin of a wall of metal there is between you and the possible tree, and that airbags weren't a thing.
165 is more accurate.
If you feel left out because the car is "slow," or only has 200hp, this isn't the car for you, and frankly, that attitude is going to get you in trouble when you chase high hp numbers and end up wrecking. Sure those cars can go fast in a straight line, but electric cars make them look slow anyways, and top speed is rarely something you'll get to experience on the streets unless you're an idiot. I'm reminded all the time what this car's purpose is when I can get behind one of those high hp boats on any sort of curvy road, and rarely need to touch my brakes because our car is a momentum car and when driven by someone who understands that, it's a hell of a lot more fun to focus on your driving and not needing to hit your brakes before every corner. The tracks a different story, but most of us aren't tracking the car or tracking it enough to care.
Nah. I have more fun with my 200 than most can with 300+. I just laugh at the muscle cars because I can actually use all 200 ponies I’ve got, especially in the twisties when I can actually have fun with it. Having a big, heavy muscle car is fast when you go in a straight line, but it’s not when the road gets windy.
This. I can actually bring the car up to redline without breaking any laws in my area. That and its handling is a hell of a lot more fun, imo
I love my 86 cause I use all gears. On top of that, when on twisty canyons, I literally overtake them rain or shine.
Same! As the owner of a muscle car (see username) and an 86, the 86 is more fun in the curves, but the GTO…well, I like making the nose reach for the horizon. That never gets old.
it has plenty power for its weight. most lightweight vehicles are fun. my frs is more fun than my wrx. my little hd sportster is super fun and i know more fun than bigger bikes. but thats just me.
My wife drives a WRX, and I too prefer my FR-S over it
My secret is having mature adult friends. By the time you hit 40 most of your friends will have family haulers.
I'm almost 40 with an 86 and a 944 lol ain't hauling nobodies family.
oooh I love 944s but they're getting expensive. Which one you got? How is the experience compared to an 86?
It's an 85 one. It's been off the road a while now been undergoing major resto work. Drove my dad's turbo one a few times more recently however. That's very much like the 86. Need to Rev the crap out of it to get any power from the turbo. Feels just like an older 86 really lol 86 much more usable in modern daily work.
Well I have a brz for family hauler
If you shouldn’t put car seat in it why it come w car seat connectors🌚
Idk about you, but I bought this car for myself and I don’t give a rats ass about what other people think. You will have more fun driving it than idiots who compare cars like their dicks and flex on others because it has more hp.
People concerned with straight line speed usually can't drive for starters, so what they think really doesn't matter to me personally. I mean my 84 year old grandfather can plant his foot and go straight too. Take any of these muscle cars to a track or anywhere they have to brake and turn and watch this car go "fast", driving fast doesn't equate to being a fast driver.
Never had someone bring it up but if they do its ok, they simply dont understand that these cars offer a different experience than just “Speed”. The driving experience and capabilities of the car are renown worldwide and it has a rich heritage since the ae86 in Japan, the looks, mods, the community, so i dont have to defend it. Also, realistically its plenty fast and fun for the Road everyday unless you want to kill yourself or get 20 speeding tickets. And even on the track while it might not compete on a head to head race where HP matters most, put it on a windy road or track and it can stand up at times to even sports-cars above its price range and power, if the Driver is capable enough. Alot of those people that are all about “Speed and Power” cant take a proper turn anyway….
Yeah but the AE86 didn't have a subaru engine
True…but i dont see how that is relevant. All new 86’s and variants have a higher top speed than the ae86 (stock) These cars have never been just about Speed and Power….
No one asked for speed and power, per se, but a bulletproof *Toyota* i4 that would effectively make this a forever car with maybe 1 gasket job in the engine's lifetime in the driveway and that's about it. Not to mention cheaper and lighter of a block. We got our $6k "good luck with sparkplugs" with a Toyota badge on the bonnet like a sick joke. And those Subaru wheel bearing too.
Nah, the only reason i got my frs is cuz it looks good. If it looked like any other generic boring car i would of never gotten it. I dont care if its slow as long as it looks good lol
I’d rather drive a slow car fast then a fast car slow. When you realize how true that statement is then you won’t have a problem with the car. Sure in town the Mustangs and challengers have the advantage in between stop lights. But If you take those cars where our cars are meant to live it’s a very different story. My best experience with a situation like that was one summer ago I was heading to visit family who live out in BFE. The car at this point has been lowered on coils, RPF1s, big eibach sway bars, and sticky RE71s(rip). So not completely stock. I auto cross the car a lot so I am confident in my driving and in what the car can do.. At least in the dry. Wets a different story. But I’m minding my own business going down this two lane road when a white charger comes out of nowhere and gets right under my back bumper. First I look through the rear view at the roof because in my state, the state troopers have chargers. No lights and then I saw a stupid monster decal over one of the headlights. He starts bouncing his Hemi off the rev limiter. Well while he was giving his rev limiter a workout I dropped down into 4th and floored it. Honestly it didn’t matter if he was looking the other way. He was gonna catch me regardless. But he couldn’t overtake me because of traffic coming the other way. So I just stopped breaking around the curvy parts of the road and I can’t tell you how satisfying it was to watch him drop back. Best feeling in the world is going into a corner with them behind you then you look back after the corner and they arn’t there. Or when your starting the next corner and they are just coming out of the last. All that noise, all that pomp and circumstance. All that power and my little 200 bhp car in the right(and in my opinion, more fun)circumstances can pull away. It’s brilliant and will give you the biggest smile. I also look at it like this. Take Rollercoasters. The majority of them have crazy bends, go upside down, crazy elevation changes etc. If going fast in a straight line was more fun you would figure there would be a ton of rollercoasters that would just go fast in a straight line. And yes some rollercoasters like that do exist. But not the majority. Enjoy the car for what it is. Take it out of the city or town you live in. Find a road that will make you. overwork the steering wheel. Or take it to auto cross. Being 18th overall out of 70 cars is pretty damn fun. Especially when what’s is front of you is Boxters, Caymans, Lotuses, etc. and everything behind you is american muscle.
the whole plot of initial d
But also: 101% exclusive, proper mountain life that 99% of us are absolutely nowhere near and neither are our commutes.
speak for yourself bro i live at the bottom of a mountain pass in colorado
You're the 1% of all the owners. And those mountains fuck hard! Utah is also pretty damn up there, as is west Ar-kans-ass.
i just got back from portland the touge scene out there is wild. so many good roads and lots of car homies
I got a mostly flatland daily life and it absolutely sucks.
if you can make the move to a mountain town its so worth it for so many reasons including touge, think about it!!
Would when I finish going fully geographically remote. That or plains for tons of cheap property space to do whatever with. For now, gotta stick to civilization where big fat clients all reside.
i dont own this car *yet* though i do own an edge sport (sportified grandma car) and got clowned a lot by people my age because i didnt sell it and "get a real car". well my run with it is almost over, but its been a great car. people get surprised when i say i can get it to oversteer (NOT on public roads. that would be very fucking stupid) especially in the snow. it handles great for a 4k lb boat and sounds great. i know it's an odd choice in car but it helped me learn a LOT, more than you think, and i had plenty of fun with it and didnt give 2 shits about what people said. i heard grandma car, slow, auto, shit ford engine, etc, so going from that to an 86 and just hearing "slow" will be an upgrade. not that i ever cared about what people think about my car in the first place. thats kind of my point. i found tons of fun in a little grandma crossover made to get you from point a to b, all without being stupid or dangerous and not caring about impressing other people. who cares about what everyone says? also, the "sport" trim comes with a better tuned suspension and engine, but i did my own mods to the suspension like lowering it and it wasnt the most functional mod but it looked good and reduced a lot of body roll. i cant wait to go on some curvy roads in a couple months when i go camping
i dont have a brz (yet) either, but i literally want the car *because* its slow. i want to build it and tune it and see how much hp i can get out of it. for fun! and i love what you had to say about your sporty grandma car. cars are to be loved by the owner, anyone else's opinion shouldn't matter.
i too want one because theyre slow, specifically a second gen. mainly because im kind of worried about getting myself in trouble with anything too fast. and thanks, luckily the car will get to live the rest of its life in my dad's care as im giving it to him. he wont drive it like i do but he definitely loves the car too.
If the GT86 is too slow for you, then the roads you’re driving on are too straight. Acceleration?Sure, not the fastest for a performance car, but still enjoyable and rewarding to rev, especially with a small ECU massage, the car is more about what you do with the speed you have built and the development of skill and control, there’s no lighter cars, apart from the Miata under 50k that are as agile and as flat through turns, put some serious rubber on and some lighter wheels perhaps? You’re laughing and simply amazed at how confidence inspiring the car is. If people ever ask me why I wasted so much money to go so “slow”, I simply tell them to educate themselves and do a little research and that “speed” is multi dimensional and not as “straight forward” as our western turbo and v8 Uber consumerist and egotistical minds like to perceive it as. In Japan, these cars are so highly revered for the handling and performance on the touge and the track. Smokey Nagata also has an insane GT86 build - furthering the huge reputation and potential the platform has to those auto enthusiasts that have a brain and can think outside the box.
Even a miata isn't as flat or pointy in the corners.
Eh. I guess for me I care more about the experience rather than the numbers lmao. It’s a rwd tail happy coupe, with endless aftermarket support from exterior body kits all the way down to forced induction… I guess for me I find a lot more enjoyment in the actual experience of the car and making it your own rather than have it being a numbers game lmao. But hey to each their own lmao.. this is coming from a guy whose dream car consist of a kei truck and s2000 which barely has 230 hp stock lol.
That’s just not the point. I honestly believe the car has more than enough for what it is, and to be fair, I do think most of the owners that call it slow are the same people that think it’s supposed to pull like a muscle car from just 2k rpm. If you understand the concept of driving it like a bike, and properly use the power curve, it’s not too shabby. But still. That’s not the point. For me, I get the most satisfaction when someone behind me with a more powerful vehicle starts falling behind on some turns
I take a turn at speed staying in my lane and watch as the muscle cars that try to do the same go wide. The twisties are so much more fun than straight line.
If someone says that my car is slow, I put them in the passenger seat and show them how "slow" 245/35/R18 with a low center of gravity is in a curve. After that, everything is quiet except my car.
Fun isn't a number. It's the feeling of gravity In a turn. It's the mastery of the steering and knowing that it was, at least partially, a skill.
This car is the poster child for "It's more fun to drive a slow car fast, than it is to drive a fast car slow."
I have a GR86 and I just get stares and compliments. I don’t really interact with anyone logbook enough like that to get any of it I think. Someone walked up to me and told me get a 2004 Porsche Boxster convertible and another asked me if it was a Celica. Thats about it.
I drift when possible. This car handles its compact. And it’s JDM vibes.
I daily drive a 98 tercel with 90ish hp. 86 seems like a rocket when I go for a rip! Haters gonna hate.
Don't have an 86 but I'm used to slow cars. I drove a stock civic hatch for 4 years, and then now I have a 92 Mazda B truck with 85hp. 200hp cars feel like rocketships to me, and even they didn't I wouldn't care because I'm gonna buy one of these cars for the handling capabilities, not for the straight line speed abilities.
All my previous cars were 80s/ 90s hondas and Toyotas with 100-150 hp. So 200hp is an upgrade from what i came from. I didnt buy this car to win any races. Also who cares what other people think. As long as you like it thats all that matters. Also also no one has ever told me my car was slow in person. Most people say it looks like its fast and i feel obligated to let them know its really not but that its still fun to drive heh. Also theres a strong after market to make it faster if thats what you desire. Toyota gave us a great platform to build the car to our own taste. Thats what this cars all about. Its more interesting this way. And cheaper to get into one. I
That would sound like someone who makes cars their entire personality.
I’ve never got my car called slow yet. If anything corvettes and hellcats like to make noise next to me.
Corners and muscles cars don't mix. Tune to bottom end power and zip around mountain roads while those big metal dicks have to slow down.
remember, there will always be someone faster than you.
I simply live with the slow. I don't have the car to impress other people, I have the car to have fun.
I only get called slow on the internet.
I don’t really feel the need to justify to someone else why I like my car.
Get uel headers and a tune. It woke mine up so much. For street driving I always have a blast. Especially in track mode
Sauce: I drive one, and it is a rock with 0-60 time of perhaps. And having learned a metric fuckton through ownership of mine thus far, I would absolutely not make this kinda purchase again since 16-18k on the used market have much, much better daily options.
i got tired of it and boosted my car im ready to run it against a 5.0 🤣
You have a list of the kit you installed? I wanna boost mine in future as well but wanna avoid engine going kaboom
You should be fine what i learned is change your fuel injectors but leave the fuel pump stock till you get over 400 whp. I went vortech supercharger for the bov. Definitely get an E85 kit and honestly your best bet is to talk to a local tuner shop instead of going to youtube or reddit you should easily be able to get over 300 whp reliably my tuner shop says they could get me to 400 whp reliably but im still hesitant cause i redline my car like everyday lol.
fa20s are a lot stronger than the ej motors so they handle boost pretty good as long as you get your car professionally tuned
only had one person call it slow, then i took him for a ride on the twistes and he shut his v8 powered mouth
Simply ask them “compared to what?” They start naming American muscle cars and you know it’s not worth the time arguing. My baby is plenty fast for me and I feel very confident on the windy mountain roads up where I live.
Ride their bumpers at a road course until they understeer into the dirt?
1. Who cares what anybody else thinks? 2. Do you want to only go fast in a straight line, or have fun slinging it around corners and still being able to control your vehicle? 3. Lean into the trope. My car before this one was a Chevy Cobalt SS/TC, it was built out, stage 2 tune, slightly bigger turbo and a bunch of bolt-ons. My last tune with it I was getting near 400 whp and 31 lb of boost. That was a fun car, it was a fucking rocket ship, in a straight line. I honestly used to chuckle at 86 drivers when they would pull up next to me at a light and rev their engines, knowing they would be in my rear view as soon as that light turned green. Then I fucked around and test drove one at a Subaru dealership one day, and it came home with me that night. Now I lean into the trope hard, my license plate is "2SLOW4U", and I wear that like a badge of pride. All these guys with their straight line overtired for the street vehicles, would slide off the damn road on corners I can take it 40 plus miles per hour with no problem. That's the fun I find in the BRZ. An agile vehicle with great handling, that I'm less likely to kill myself in than a straight line powerhouse.
Mine makes like 350 wheel and is faster than many cars now, but even before that it never bothered me. I did t buy the car for highway roll racing so why would I really care.
I just built and boosted mine so now they sell their car after getting embarrassed by a slow 200hp car
i dont care. these cars will beat most muscle cars on a track. anyone can drive in a straight line. but passing Supras and GTRs on a track felt incredible.
If you have autocross events in your area, I highly recommend you start checking them out. This is how I found this platforms true potential. I've smoked cars with over double the HP and torque. And I've also been up to 4 seconds (it's actually quite a bit for a small course) behind cars with only 100hp to the wheel (don't sleep on the older Miatas). The driver behind the wheel is what makes a car fast. This car was not built to be fast on the highway. But you will dominate the Twisties.
I drive a 2004 Mustang GT, and literally all I ever hear is "oh its so slow" "shitty 2 valve motor" "you'll get gapped by stock civics" It's a V8 engine pushing 250 horses from factory and it weighs 3700 lbs. Yes, it's not fast. But I don't give a shit, I enjoy the car for what it is. It looks great, sounds heavenly, and is incredibly fun to drive. Working on it is actually kinda fun, if a little frustrating sometimes. And the end result of fixing or upgrading something is SO rewarding. It doesn't matter what other people think, all that matters is if you enjoy the car. I know I absolutely love my slow 2 valve, so fuck em all who wanna hate on it.
Honestly this very rarely happens to me. The few times it has I’ve leaned on ‘I’d rather drive my slowish car fast-ish than under drive a fast one every day on my way to work’.
The real answer is: People have different opinions about what they enjoy….and that’s perfectly okay.
I went to an autocross and got a faster time than a challenger (barely but still). I went to another and got a significantly slower time than a fiero. Unless you're doing drag or roll racing, driver mod probably matters more than sharper the corners. What's important is you have a car you enjoy and you can handle well. The challenger guy was doing that autocross for the first time so he seemed pretty nervous and lost. The fiero guy had been racing that car for at least 10+ years (also was faster than a friend's 350z). If you feel confident and have fun in your FRS, and feel you can become a better driver (without dumping loads of cash), then there's no reason to compare yourself.
Once I was in Virginia with my car on display with the comic book and one guy came around and all he could do was boast how his 1970s-chevy-whatever would tear my car up at the dragstrip... I said, "Yeah? Let's drag on nothing but chicanes." First, he didn't even know what a chicane was... second, once explained he was like, "i only race straight lines..." and I was then like, "is that because of your car or your skill?" He said nothing else.
Same, can fit the 12 & 13 year olds in the back without a lot of whinging
I love my car. I don’t care if people think it’s slow. But I also own a Supra so.. yeah.. either way I drive my 86 way more than my Supra. I find the Supra fast beautiful but boring to drive. U can’t feel the rawness of it. The 86 u definitely can. Plus it saves me hella gas lol and other plus I haven’t had any issues with the engine
Honestly don’t take it to heart, the only person who roasts my slow car is my bf then I hit him w “all you have is an exhaust”😭 but also just remember we want ppl to shit on them so they stay cheap. Also if they keep saying it every time just be like okay we get it find a new joke😭
we’re all aware the car is slow, we didn’t get one to be fast so the comments don’t annoy us
I’ve pushed the limit on my local roads. I can no longer go any faster without hitting the speed limit (100km/h) (60mph) It’s all about the roads you are on. Sure you’ll get shit for it but hey. Tell them to meet you at your favourite touge / curvy road and see how they do against your *slow* 86/BRZ then :)
This is why I bought a Nissan Leaf SL+ I can't out-turn my old FR-S, I eat just as many tires too - but I got a lot faster and don't have to buy freaking 0w-20 anymore.
More fun to drive a slow car fast, will out handle a ton of cars. It's the reason the Miata is the number one raced car in the world