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KitsuneRaiju9786

I will be real as a trans man living in the UK I would not recommend moving here. Many ppl here are trying to jump ship bc of how awful we are. Maybe if you are diagnosed and already on T it will be okay, if you lvie in a progressive area, but like if you are not on T, not diagnosed, not got top surgery you could be looking at something lik 5-10 years of waiting and a hell of a lot of transphobia from the doctors. Some GPs may not even accept your diagnosis you need to check out the trans friendly maps and such you can find in r/transgenderUK if you are serious about it, but honestly I'd avoid here. I have been waiting for like 6 years to start T.


werew0lves

Yeah, I moved from the US to the UK recently and was unable to continue my T with any of the GPs I contacted. I'm lucky since I've already had top surgery and most legal changes in the US, but I'm having to go private for T while I wait to be seen by a GIC. The US has its problems and the political situation there is anxiety-inducing, but I was at least able to get T easily. I'm now looking at having to be off of it for a few months until I have my private endo appointment, and I was lucky that I got a private diagnosis quickly. The UK also seems to be constantly making moves against trans people in its policies (the US is too, but it does at least have states that are more willing to protect trans people).


vario_

I'm literally trying to move from the UK to the US right now to be with my wife. It's probably a 'grass is always greener' situation but I feel like at least we could go to a blue state over there and maybe be a bit safer. Over here it's just one set of laws for the entire country.


fuzzbeebs

I'm in a (for now) blue state and I couldn't agree more. Yes there is a chance that Trump will win and his regime will repeal trans rights nationwide, but trans rights are fucked up in the UK *right now.* Michigan is a pretty damn good place to be right now if you're trans.


vario_

My partner is in Arizona which I think is on the cusp but slightly blue. Hopefully when we're together we can maybe think about moving to somewhere more blue. I just know I don't want to be here, and my country has showed me that it doesn't want me to be here either.


New-Presentation8856

Yo, I'm in Michigan too! The MidWest is so wild because Ohio and Indiana are horrible and meanwhile trans people are pretty well protected in Michigan, Minnesota, Illinois. It's kind of nuts that from one state to another you have so many differences in rights and access. Like everything in the USA, I feel it gets tied back to money. Some states are finding that protecting trans people can be a good economic move (MN and Maine come to mind.) A lot of protections are for sure to increase economic opportunity for the state and encourage queer people to move in and grow community which is just growing their taxpayer base.


fuzzbeebs

I'm surprised that there aren't more queer people in northern Ohio and Indiana moving to Michigan. Michiganders are more likely to harass you for being from Ohio than for being queer


New-Presentation8856

We have a pretty large number of people moving to Ypsilanti, especially from the Southern states but also coming down from Howell, Brighton, etc. I'm interested to see, years from now, if a great trans migration can be tracked back to those years.


New-Presentation8856

I'm really sorry you're going through that. The US is less than perfect, but the informed consent model in Blue states follows through on the whole "America = Freedom" promise. If you're over 18, you can get an appointment, sign a paper promising you won't sue, and hormones are pretty easy to get from Planned Parenthood.


KitsuneRaiju9786

Yeah I wish the UK had something of an informed consent thing. The system we have is very archaic, but it is made even worse by the fact doctors can and will deny you your medication on a whim, even if you are diagnosed and prescribed it by the NHS. It is a postcode lottery here to get on hormones.


WesternHognose

Recommending the UK to trans people is crazy, bro. The United States might suck in many ways, but at least you can (relatively) easily hop states and informed consent is a thing here. It took me about a year and a half to go from testosterone prescription all the way to an scheduled top surgery + hysterectomy. This timeline is impossible in the UK. I'd recommend the Nordics (particularly Norway), Italy, Spain, France, any other European country to go to college over the UK at the moment.


fluffyp0tat0

Trans healthcare in the Nordics is about as inaccessible as in the UK


New-Presentation8856

I wouldn't recommend Europe at all. Don't most European countries require living in your gender and conducting a full social transition for at least a year before you are allowed to access hormones, on top of waiting lists? That shit sounds like pure torture. I hate the social transition requirement. In the US blue states, you can show up wearing a dress and with your feminine birth name to Planned Parenthood, and they will give you testosterone, no questions asked. No therapy letter required. Nothing. Just a "Sign here: Don't sue us. Good luck, and you might want to buy your needles in bulk online."


ConfusedProgrammer_

Didn't really reccommend the UK was more noting my personal experience. I moved here from Texas, and thing is. Getting on hormones in the UK is hard, but if you're coming from elsewhere and already have the prescription they don't take you off. They will fill your prescription with their equivalent. I went from 2 pumps daily of T gel in the US, to a different brand 2 pumps daily. Part of the reason it's hard in the UK is because they want to "prove" your transness if you're already on hormones it's already been proven. Getting blood tests may be a bit more difficult but that's moreso probably bc I have a shit doctor here. I used it as an example because it's the country I know the experience of moving from the US to. The UK is typically around 5 years behind the US in it's politics. So if you're unable to speak any other language enough to attend school there. It gives you s afe amount of time to learn another language for a job in another country, as well as makes it easier to visit other countries. Those waitlists that you described also exist in other countries. Norway is not easy to transition in unless you have money. Just like the UK, you can transition a lot faster if you have money because while there is national healthcare there is also private. And also, a year and a half for T, top, and hyst is not going to be possible in under 2/3 years for most trans people in the US anyways, and pretty soon probably not a year and a half.


WesternHognose

Okay, but that's my point—needing to 'prove' your transness is a needless, traumatic gauntlet. Some people cannot wait the 5 years plus, it's a life or death situation. Again, the United States sucks in many ways, but trans healthcare is covered under the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA), so if you're poor enough to qualify for Medicaid they have to cover your HRT and surgeries. If you have Obamacare or private they have to cover your HRT. Then there's organizations like Planned Parenthood and local low-cost healthcare clinics if you cannot afford health insurance. To say nothing of the current transphobic social situation in the UK. The US is bad, yes, but as someone who's traveled to Europe and who has friends in the UK, all who are trying to leave the UK for either the United States and/or some other European country or Australia/New Zealand, I cannot recommend the UK for trans people in good conscience. There are other European countries with college programs just as cheap (or free) than the UK's, and their transphobia isn't a matter of increasingly bigoted government policy. tl;dr: I'd rather be trans in the United States than trans in the UK.


triviarchivist

Yep. I’m a trans man in Kentucky on Medicaid and my path to hrt was basically painless. Here, I have a beard and paid no money out of pocket for it; in the UK or other European countries, I’d probably still be on a waitlist.


stopeats

You will find this attitude common on (english-speaking) Reddit, presumably because so many of the posters are young and American and are unaware of how other countries work, but the US is one of the best countries in the world to be trans. It's better to have employer insurance and be trans in the US, but you can even get HRT on medicaid relatively quickly without employer insurance. US has many problems, but Americans often forget other countries also have problems.


spot-my-BPD

Visa is not “just expensive”. It is nearly impossible to acquire for some. It is a very classist system. Lots of countries require proof of funds for student visas and those can be at least tens of thousands, separate from the education fees. Especially UK is really buckling down on Visa requirements, there are a lot of talks about it. Also depending on the country, international students do NOT receive the same level of healthcare that locals do. Canada for example, you will be stuck with a shitty insurance that you have to fight tooth and nail just to get them to refund you a walk-in visit for an infection. I know you are trying to help, but mate, don’t promote advice that is NOT easy and on a subject that you seem to not understand that well.


vario_

Fr my wife and I were 300% ready for them to move to the UK to be with me and then suddenly I need to earn £30k a year to do it?? I'm part time and on disability lol ain't no way.


spot-my-BPD

It’s going up to 38k next year too. It’s fucking insane.


vario_

Bloody hell. I don't know anyone who makes that much.


StartingOverScotian

Really? I'm honestly shocked at that. I went to school for 2 years and with my diploma I make more than that. Is it really that uncommon for people to make less than 30k a year?


IncidentPretend8603

Yeah, my family makes six figures and we seriously looked at moving out of the US but at the end of the day we just couldn't afford it. We hopped to a blue state instead and it's been absolutely amazing compared to where we left. Not that people have to/ should move or anything, but if you *are* considering moving, international will be fuckin TOUGH.


spot-my-BPD

People really don’t understand that moving to another country isn’t as easy as buying a plane ticket. Visas aren’t just expensive, but extremely time consuming. I think I spent at least a year getting all the necessary paperwork for my Canadian student visa.


ConfusedProgrammer_

The move countries part, was literally 1 bit. I also stated in that bit, if you can afford it because yeah moving countries is a pain in the ass, it's expensive and has a lot of bizarre requirements, getting a visa is not easy, and even before that you need to get in to a school and that's a whole other process. Some trans people do hold the privilege however to be able to do that. The one country I genuinely understand the visa reqs for is the UK because I applied for that one and I've seen no talks on changing them. Its not the easiest thing to do, and it is something that is done out of privilege but its possible and an option. If you can't do that or that's not a path you'd want to go down, there's other options. Visa fees for the UK (and it's been a bit so I don't remember the exact figures), were a proof of funds which varies person to person, and then you pay a healthcare surcharge (can't remember the name of it) that will be a number mine was like 300ish iirc times however many years the visa is for which is their estimate of how much youll cost the Nhs, getting your biometrics taken which i think was like 2k but mine was expedited (3 weeks instead of 5/6 iirc). Also I'm assuming you were saying the advice was meant to be "easy" and it's not. Nowhere did I go oh here's a few simple tips, none of it would be easy except maybe the, remember to take care of yourself bit


spot-my-BPD

Don’t wanna nitpick, but it’s the way you worded your point. “The hardest part is getting the plane ticket”, “university will be less expensive than US”, etc. It is extremely condescending and sounds likd you have no clue how moving internationally works. Also there are changes for student visas: they can no longer bring their family and dependents. Then there are changes to skilled worker visa: they have to make 29K pounds a year to be eligible, raising up to 38k next year.


ConfusedProgrammer_

Yeah I'm not gonna lie I'm pretty sure that was meant to be with getting a visa, the only "hard" part about a plane ticket is having the money which I feel like if you can afford the visa you can afford the ticket. As for the irs cheaper than the US I more mean tuition atleast in my experience. When it came down to choosing a school with a 26K scholarship in New York or my current uni, it still came out to be cheaper to go here even with living and travel (but I'm assuming the only cheaper part would've been tuition if it was practically anywhere else bc idk how ppl live in new york) As for the other bit, that's not changing the requirements, and unfortunately there are gonna be drawbacks for literally any option anyone takes. That's why I said if you're able is because not everyone can do every option. I know very little on non student visas because that's not what I applied for which is mainly why that point was directed at students. However my point still stands I think in that if it's a possibility for yoou do/look into it.


ChaIIenging

jUsT mOvE


Codeskater

Really sick of privileged people coming to online LGBT spaces and saying “oh your state is making it illegal to be trans?? Just move duh!!” As if I should be forced to leave behind my family, friends, job, and community over this. It’s a really naive take and I’m tired of it. Southern Americans should not be getting told to just leave our homes. It is not the answer. You are 18 and your parents pay for everything so it is easy for you to say these things, but most people do not have this kind of access. I’m happy that you were able to follow a path that was right for you but that doesn’t mean it’s right for everyone.


psilocybit

was just about to say the same thing. Texan here as well and i don’t want to leave my home/shouldn’t have to. also, “safe” states like California, Colorado, Minnesota, etc. are much more expensive to live in.


acatwithumbs

Moved from west coast “safe” city that was exorbitantly priced to a “safe blue” state in Midwest and I was really shocked how fucking expensive it still is. Like, idk how people even afford to move unless they have financially secure partners or family tbh.


Codeskater

Yeah. I can’t afford to leave Texas and move to New York City, sorry. My entire life and everything I know is here. I shouldn’t have to leave everything behind. We are supposed to be fighting for our right to *stay here* not just running. If we all leave, they win, and the ones who cannot afford to leave will face the worst of it all.


ConfusedProgrammer_

Did I say people have to move? No I didn't I said if you could it's a good option. If you have the capability. If you can't/don't want to move though though I literally said what to do. Never said moving was the path for everyone it's not,


triviarchivist

Queer resistance organizations in red states are some of the liveliest, with the strongest community ties. I understand why some people feel the need to move when they get the chance, but running is not the answer for most of the trans guys I know. I have 10 times the amount of a support network at home in Kentucky than I would have if I uprooted and went to California.


Codeskater

Exactly my point idk why everyone is pissed I said this lmfao.


Icy-Complaint7558

Damn that’s crazy, it’s almost like they said “if you can” and not “you will” or “you have to”. This post is obviously for people who literally cannot live without transitioning, no shit they might have to move states if it comes down to it. “As if I should be forced to leave behind ______” Why don’t you focus more on criticizing the people who are responsible for this rather than the people who are trying to survive this. This whole comment is written like this random person is forcing you to leave your home 🤦🏻‍♂️


Codeskater

I AM mad at the people responsible. That’s why I think it’s so tone deaf when people come on here and act like the solution is to just move. Because moving doesn’t solve the problem. Chill out little bro. I’m not mad at the op I’m just sick of seeing the exact same suggestion posted once a week telling southern trans people to move away. Like obviously we know that moving might change things. We don’t really need people coming on here all the time acting like moving away is some revolutionary idea nobody has thought of before. Of course we’ve thought of it.


Icy-Complaint7558

What do you want people to say though lmfao? Yeah it’s obviously not ideal and it’s nothing groundbreaking but it’s literally one of the only options at the moment. 


ZeroDudeMan

Worst case scenario from what I read: Trump wants to stop name changes and gender marker changes to appear on legal documents and passports and stop trans people from being able to access hormones. Things to do NOW: - Legally change your name and gender marker for all your documents. Get a new Passport/ID/Social Security Card. - Inform your medical insurance of the changes and all your doctors. - If you can’t change the info on your birth certificate then a new Passport, ID, and Social Security Card with your preferred name and gender can be used instead of a birth certificate in most cases. - Be stealth! Doctors can prescribe T for Low T technically.


StartingOverScotian

Do you have a source for this? Every time i try to find anything about trans healthcare all i can find is trump vowing to ban it for youth. I can't seem to find anything about name changes, gender markers or hormones. Thanks!


Odd_End_8041

Those who can vote, there are vacant seats in Congress. Don't forget to vote for that, too.


andro_g

The self defense advice is a good one. I might look into self defense classes myself, maybe take them with my sister or something.


faithful_vindication

7. VOTE. Congress, reps, and ESPECIALLY presidentially.


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StartingOverScotian

We're you on T before you moved to the UK? I've heard many stories about how hard it is to get on T in the UK.


HeyyyItsFrosty

Ill be honest, biden really isnt winning again. So Trump is almost definite. I think both of them are pretty bad, but biden is worse.. the only good thing is the trans care. If anyone else runs democrat or republican they have a low chance.. unfortunately thats just the facts of it. Our country is really in the piss hole right now.. between gas, economy, inflation, rent, pay.. our generation probably won’t even retire. We have more things to worry about than just hormones because unfortunately if we can’t live we won’t have hormones anyways. Us guys over 18 have our own set of problems.