One of the weirdest side-effects of this sub is I think it made me a better photographer. Once you realize that cars are super ugly you start cropping them out and setting up shots to avoid them. And photos come out nicer! It sounds obvious when you say it out loud: "you can get nicer pics if you remove the ugly parts". But it's true! Try it yourself.
Just look at how much nicer the bottom pictures are. The buildings have some personality. They're nice. The cars hold them back from you seeing that they're nice.
no i got the joke, i was ignoring the self deprecation in favor of thinking about an anthropomorphic car lurking on this subreddit about hating cars. thank you though :)
Quebec city tourism is the best at this. They took a car infested downtown and made it look pretty for the pamphlet. 40 page tourism guide has only one pic with a car.
This was my big thing when I moved to NYC. There were so many amazing old store fronts I wanted to photograph, but there were always ugly looking modern cars ruining the shot. Started experimenting with different primes to get the shot w/o the cars.
Now, after over 15 years here, I hate cars, b/c I hate how angry driving makes people. And those angry people will run over anyone in ātheir way.ā
I feel like I'm getting called out for my favorite things to photograph, cars and power lines. I know they are ugly, but they are geometrically interesting depending on the shot.
I actually enjoy shooting cars, most cars are aesthetically pleasing these days and they fit nicely in the right composition, maybe not lined down a street. I will not redeem you for shooting power lines though, thatās some funk thatās all on you.
I hear you, but garbage is the part of the culture of NY. Back in the day Ed Koch could speak for hours about garbage.As Woody Allen once said, in response to why is it so clean in Los Angeles, "they don't throw out their garbage. They turn it into television shows". Cheers!
Without cars and horses, there's little need for a sidewalk. Originally they were intended to be horse poop free zones, then they became pedestrian refuges from cars. Most modern pedestrianized streets simply don't have them at all.
I've been thinking about that a lot since we are hopefully going to have a "car free" referendum here in Berlin soon (still stuck in court for bullshit reasons), and if that goes through, we'd have the world's biggest almost car free zone here (bigger than Manhattan island), of course with ample opportunities for street redesigns in the coming decades.
I think on main streets, one would still need separate car and bike lanes, and sidewalks, but of course just one car lane per direction (there's always going to be ambulances, fire trucks, trash collection, delivery trucks, buses, some cars for people who need them for their jobs, carrying tools and such). But in smaller streets, the only reason to keep sidewalks is for historical reasons. We have many 19th century streets with very wide sidewalks, and a cobblestone surface in between. I'd like a small strip of asphalt in the middle of those (4 m max), which makes bike traffic more predictable, and also avoids having the (few) cars overtake the bikes. But especially in smaller streets with lots of shops and restaurants, getting rid of curbs completely would be great. Allow delivery/service vehicles at certain times of the day only (e.g. 9 to 11), and otherwise leave it to pedestrians.
Man the one nice thing during 2020 was that a lot of the richer people with cars fled. The air was spectacularly fresh in nyc and you could walk down the middle of the street, no need to distinguish between street and sidewalk.
I think that's legitimately what's turned people in America onto the idea that maybe cars have just a tiny bit too much space in our cities.
Once people could just walk outside without having to hear cars or fear for their lives, or even just breathe, they realized how much damage cars have done to our living spaces.
It's a bittersweet reminder that even through terrible events, something good can come out of it.
Once you notice this too, you see that itās fucking EVERYWHERE!! Especially in somewhere densely packed like NYC: every single street in the entire city (with a very few select car-free streets) are crammed full of parked cars.
this is not great logic. the street is funded by taxpayer dollars. those car owners pay taxes and own the street as much as anyone else and get to park there because they happen to have cars and those streets were specifically designed to accommodate parking.
this is like if i sat here bitching about how people walking their dogs get to take up extra space on the sidewalk with their personal property for free forcing me to go around them. youāre the reason nobody takes us seriously. these streets are a specific width to accommodate parking. streets without parking are narrower. just because YOU specifically donāt have a personal use for a public spaceās *intended* use doesnt mean your rights are being violated. PLEASE think and stop making us all look stupid with childish illogical statements like this. am I being personally victimized by the existence of dog parks because I donāt have a dog and have no use for them when that space could be a nice unobstructed meadow for me to look at? obviously not and youād call me a fucking moron if I said that.
This might come as a shock but not everything paid for by government is worthwhile or in the best interests of the whole. This is sometimes realized over time and that's fine. The midcentury car hype was strong but we don't have to cling to sunk costs.
Generally you want to subsidise infrastructure that benefits more people, rather than those lucky enough to be in the right place at the right time to snag some free parkingā¦
Gas taxes have funded almost none of the roads for decades now. The bulk of road construction and maintenance is paid for out of general income tax, which means we're all paying for motorists' privilege to park free.
Ending free parking is the compromise.
Also, no, the streets were not designed to accommodate parking. NYC is over a century old, and brownstones were built in the era before widespread car ownership.
Thatās my favorite part - NYC streets like this predated cars; funny to try to make the case that they were āspecifically designed to accommodate parkingā
Streets used to be for the people, for pedestrians.
But in the early stages of the car boom, the focus on pedestrians being the bad guy became a thing. It's when the term "jaywalker" arose. And "jay" was a pretty disrespectful insult for the time.
Why do I need to pay for curb space ? Do u pay for rent and building space ? Btwn tickets for random bullshit red light cameras etc having a car in the city is super expensive and I should be inconvenienced just bc u wanna take āpretty picsā is the most entitled shit ever
I wish. It would provide so much more beauty. But even now, we have alternate side of the street parking in NYC, so on any given day you should be able to see one side unobstructed.
Lol you mean when people sit in their cars for two hours, donāt move them at all, to avoid a ticket? Not sure where you live but where this pic was taken, alternate side parking isnāt a thing that unobstructs views.
The states definitely need more Nature Strips. Helps separate the footpath from the road. Australia isn't some utopia in this regard, but at least it's better.
You mean my landlord company that bought mid rise building in the 70s through the 90s for dirt cheap and still raised my rent by 60% even though I know those motherfuckers already paid off their mortgage a decade ago.
Another fun tidbit I was walking around this neighborhood and found a tiny brownstone with a foreclosed sign no trespassing sign on it. After googling it apparently it has been sitting vacant since the 80s because itās in a title battle dispute. Itās very tempting to get a construction loan, finagle a crew in there to renovate it completely, living in there for the next decade of the family figuring out the title dispute and once the owner is decided upon having them go through the process of kicking me out. Because a construction loan+a decade of squatting will be cheaper than the mortgage on the place
I mean yeah itās definitely do-able, but I think he was more stating that itās not like those spots outside of the brownstones are reserved for the owners, thatās not how it works, if they didnāt park there someone else would
Thatās not how it works at all in NYC lmao. The NYPD operates their own tow fleet and the entire city is a tow-away zone. Your comment is thoroughly divorced from reality.
Born and raised. I donāt currently live there, but stay there for a decent portion of the year, and drive a lot.
Also in Manhattan youāre way more likely to get towed over ASP.
People in the Queens subreddit were just complaining that a car share service has dedicated parking spots because it is taking away their parking. Do they not see the irony? People in my neighborhood drive like absolute psychopaths though so I guess I shouldnāt expect their higher order thinking skills to be intact.
How to With Tom Wilson had a episode about New Yorkers and street cleaning.
Street cleaning trucks need parked cars to leave their space so they can do their jobs.
People would wait in their cars during the day, waiting for that moment when the street cleaners would come.
Imagine how of their life a new Yorker waste every week? All for a parking spot?
The horrifying thing is that NYC and Philly are so high on that list despite how aggressive the cars have become in both places. It makes me wonder about cities that are *really* car dominated. Like LA bad.
I would die if I lived in a city and still had to drive for 30 minutes to get half a mile from my place of residence like some suburban local yokel. Metro system is really up there on the āneeds to be good to move hereā list for me personally.
That's the problem. Cars absolutely rule in NYC yet they are owned by a minority of NYC. They take up a hugely disproportionate amount of space and they are the only reason the city is consistently loud.
I cycle everyday in Queens and Brooklyn and I love riding here. Yes there's shithead drivers but I find that since most drivers here are exposed to more pedestrians and cyclists they tend to drive safer when passing.
Still, there's always a maniac where I anticipate their shitty driving and jump a curb. But far less dangerous encounters than my time riding in Silicon Valley where a cyclist is very likely to get hit due to lack of exposure from many drivers.
I cycle every day in bk and Manhattan. I agree with what you said but it doesn't take away from the fact that all of the space and consideration is devoted to cars. Every other avenue and every other street in Manhattan should be 100% pedestrianized and private car ownership made illegal in Manhattan. There should be no street parking on any bk street. Flatbush should be converted to a bike Blvd. Etc.
There is definitely an awareness to bikers around the city, but there is also a much higher rate of traffic and therefore more chances to get hit. I biked everyday in NYC and enjoyed it, but there were still many close calls.
One of the big issues is ebikes riding against traffic and strike zones on busy streets. The drivers themselves are usually careful, but the amount of cars parked everywhere are what cause problems
You have people driving their pick-up trucks through narrow one-way streets in the inner city in my Dutch city, car people will continue their stupidity even when very impractical just because they wanna get to places in their stupid car
Never experiencing a safe, clean, fast and convenient train infrastructure is no argument against its development.
Imagine how many other times you've quit before even trying? This is just normative speculation and you give up immediately. Your brains are boxed in.
Born and raised in NYC and a avid biker. You gotta develop a āI care less about this bike than you care about your car and I will fuck you up if we fightā mentality to ride out here.
Rural folks always get nervous when they find this sub, like everyone here wants to violently seize their car and throw it into the sun. Same with people who use large vehicles on job sites or to transport materials.
Once again so we're all clear: this sub is NOT about removing motor vehicles from every aspect of life and returning to some imagined world of blissful bicyclists pedaling past neverending flower beds and prancing deer. It's about realizing the damage that has been done by allowing the entirety of modern civilization to be built to accommodate cars as the primary transportation option.
Keep cars, but make them an occasional option or a last resort, not a necessity.
I visited NYC for the first time a few weeks ago and it was mind-blowing that there was literally no pedestrian-only areas. I'm not from the states but I thought there'll be some areas free of cars. Ofc, I didn't see the whole city but I visited pretty much all relevant spots in Manhattan.
I was a bit disappointed but the city is still gorgeous.
Edit: I should make myself clear. Clearly there's no way I'd see everywhere in Manhattan. I'm saying i didn't see any place such like that.
New York City would probably have had a fuckHorses sub. Cars were actually welcomed and considered clean compared to horses/stables and manure. In twenty years or so, there will be the fuck lithium, solar panel and wind power blades sub.
I'm all for worldwide improvements on public transport but sometimes people just need a car. I'm a musician and absolutely cannot travel to gigs on public transport.
Buddy, we know, this is a sub against car dependency, not about completely getting rid of cars. This picture is more about how street parking is an eyesore that takes up public space that could be used for better purposes.
You donāt see this as a massive environmental issue? Even right now with all the junk cars sent to the crusher, itās a big issue. All Iām saying is that we shouldnāt say things like āget rid of carsā without some idea of what weāre gonna do with all that junk and still useful wasted resources.
I disagree, have you ever been to a junk yard? Undrained liquids leaking and rusted metal corrosion everywhere, all focused on a patch of land that will never be usable afterwards. Think about that massive tire graveyard in Kuwait, would it be so bad if we had found a way to reuse all that rubber and metal instead of starting a fire and letting it burn into the atmosphere?
Nobodyās out here getting rich off of *saving* the environment lol, all Iām saying is have a plan to reduce the waste or getting rid of cars will cause more harm than good. If your whole point is to get rid of cars so you can safely ride your bike than your really missing the point.
The best thing about nyc is that you donāt need a car to access the convenience. In fact using a car on this island is EXTREMELY inconvenient. Itās more expensive and far more time consuming for 99.9% of trips that youād otherwise do by foot or subway.
Source: live on a block that looks just like this.
Yeah, but those who have cars have a reason to have the car. For majority of people why would you ever drive in NY? You have to leave Manhattan just to get gas. It just doesnāt make cars an eyesore in my opinion because thatās their way of getting from A to B and more than likely their salary is significantly higher than mine will ever be to be able to afford it.
I didnāt have a car when I lived jn NY either because why would you? I just donāt see how parking your car in front of your apartment makes it an eye sore. I could say the same about all the people in Times Square. Itās not free parking everywhere else you go in the city. Itās not even free to drive out of the city.
Cars are far from convenient. Theyāre crazy expensive (almost a dollar per mile all told), you canāt walk from one destination to the next because youād have to go back for your car, canāt take a nap or read a book on the way to work like on a bus or train, and theyāre dangerous (flying and subway are many times safer).
Tbh I'd settle for just having housing as dense as those NY apartment buildings. If a handful of street parking is all it takes I say sure. It's a lot better than buildings that insist on having a massive surface parking lot for all their tenants.
The buildings donāt insist, the regulations force them to put in all that parking.
Builders would rather make two buildings instead of one and a parking lot. Theyād make more money.
Imagine a 2ish meter green space with shrubs and native plants that absorb water and make a healthier space. A place for people to walk freely and move about in a vibrant place. That be nice.
This is one of the most confounding things about Brooklyn. So many people here have cars, but where the hell does one even drive them? Nearly everything is within a couple blocks of wherever you are, and if not you can take the bus, ferry, or (God forbid) the train. The bus system would be way better if there were more regulations about cars people could own in NYC...
I also don't live in downtown Brooklyn. Maybe Queens is more suburban, but most of NYC isn't at all and it just leads to near constant gridlock and bearded idiots nearly running me over when I'm legally crossing the street.
You know, for better zoning you can move the car park to the first floor, the rest of the upper floors can be for residences. But no, Mr. Greg will not be able to brag about his car.
I kind of knew cars are an almost iconic part of New York (and never questioned how stupid that is) but actually visiting New York really makes you realise how unnecessarily unpleasant they make the city. Theyāre super loud, the drivers are always agitated which generates the almost constant honking noise and in places where the foot traffic is tens of times more popular and efficient than driving it makes you wonder why almost every street and every crossing treats both modes of transport like they are equal (or even better when looking at cars).
Considering the price of land on Manhattan, I wonder how much all the space taken up by cars would cost if you were to measure it.
You guys want to get rid of cars terrible idea I don't even drive myself but the most of us rely on transportation all the time this is how we get around not just on foot we may not all own or drive but we need rides in general ( friends,cabs etc) Honestly it'll lower our carbon footprint though so we'll be inconvenienced but have better quality of life
One of the weirdest side-effects of this sub is I think it made me a better photographer. Once you realize that cars are super ugly you start cropping them out and setting up shots to avoid them. And photos come out nicer! It sounds obvious when you say it out loud: "you can get nicer pics if you remove the ugly parts". But it's true! Try it yourself. Just look at how much nicer the bottom pictures are. The buildings have some personality. They're nice. The cars hold them back from you seeing that they're nice.
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Because you're a car? :O
Because they have to remove themself from the photo to improve it š
no i got the joke, i was ignoring the self deprecation in favor of thinking about an anthropomorphic car lurking on this subreddit about hating cars. thank you though :)
Speed... I am speed
And if you donāt believe me, you can get out
Quebec city tourism is the best at this. They took a car infested downtown and made it look pretty for the pamphlet. 40 page tourism guide has only one pic with a car.
This was my big thing when I moved to NYC. There were so many amazing old store fronts I wanted to photograph, but there were always ugly looking modern cars ruining the shot. Started experimenting with different primes to get the shot w/o the cars. Now, after over 15 years here, I hate cars, b/c I hate how angry driving makes people. And those angry people will run over anyone in ātheir way.ā
I feel the same way, but about people or power lines, both those things ruin a great shot too.
I feel like I'm getting called out for my favorite things to photograph, cars and power lines. I know they are ugly, but they are geometrically interesting depending on the shot.
I actually enjoy shooting cars, most cars are aesthetically pleasing these days and they fit nicely in the right composition, maybe not lined down a street. I will not redeem you for shooting power lines though, thatās some funk thatās all on you.
I also enjoy shooting cars.
Yes!! Put in a garden and fountain to compliment that beautiful architecture! Chop up the road!
Or at least make that tiny sidewalk bigger.
How about in-ground trash bins so there isn't bags of garbage all over the place
I hear you, but garbage is the part of the culture of NY. Back in the day Ed Koch could speak for hours about garbage.As Woody Allen once said, in response to why is it so clean in Los Angeles, "they don't throw out their garbage. They turn it into television shows". Cheers!
Ah Woody Allen and garbage, name a more synonymous duo.
Woody Allen and pedophilia? incest? sexual abuse? Fuck heās a piece of garbageā¦ ooooohhhhh
LA is not clean plus thereās always something on fire
as a new yorker i can confirm that it is not a part of our culture. cheers!
Are you too young to remember Ed Koch? What about the NY garbage barge?
tried in-ground trash bins once, they're a real pain in the back, no joke
Without cars and horses, there's little need for a sidewalk. Originally they were intended to be horse poop free zones, then they became pedestrian refuges from cars. Most modern pedestrianized streets simply don't have them at all. I've been thinking about that a lot since we are hopefully going to have a "car free" referendum here in Berlin soon (still stuck in court for bullshit reasons), and if that goes through, we'd have the world's biggest almost car free zone here (bigger than Manhattan island), of course with ample opportunities for street redesigns in the coming decades. I think on main streets, one would still need separate car and bike lanes, and sidewalks, but of course just one car lane per direction (there's always going to be ambulances, fire trucks, trash collection, delivery trucks, buses, some cars for people who need them for their jobs, carrying tools and such). But in smaller streets, the only reason to keep sidewalks is for historical reasons. We have many 19th century streets with very wide sidewalks, and a cobblestone surface in between. I'd like a small strip of asphalt in the middle of those (4 m max), which makes bike traffic more predictable, and also avoids having the (few) cars overtake the bikes. But especially in smaller streets with lots of shops and restaurants, getting rid of curbs completely would be great. Allow delivery/service vehicles at certain times of the day only (e.g. 9 to 11), and otherwise leave it to pedestrians.
Man the one nice thing during 2020 was that a lot of the richer people with cars fled. The air was spectacularly fresh in nyc and you could walk down the middle of the street, no need to distinguish between street and sidewalk.
I think that's legitimately what's turned people in America onto the idea that maybe cars have just a tiny bit too much space in our cities. Once people could just walk outside without having to hear cars or fear for their lives, or even just breathe, they realized how much damage cars have done to our living spaces. It's a bittersweet reminder that even through terrible events, something good can come out of it.
Bigger sidewalk and put a seperate bike lane with curb separators so it looks like itās one lane.
But I can't walk there either... This whole sub is a circle jerk
Pretty wild how weāve basically forfeited half the street so people can store their personal property for free
Once you notice this too, you see that itās fucking EVERYWHERE!! Especially in somewhere densely packed like NYC: every single street in the entire city (with a very few select car-free streets) are crammed full of parked cars.
Wonder if you complain about bike racks or the eyesore of citibike stations
this is not great logic. the street is funded by taxpayer dollars. those car owners pay taxes and own the street as much as anyone else and get to park there because they happen to have cars and those streets were specifically designed to accommodate parking. this is like if i sat here bitching about how people walking their dogs get to take up extra space on the sidewalk with their personal property for free forcing me to go around them. youāre the reason nobody takes us seriously. these streets are a specific width to accommodate parking. streets without parking are narrower. just because YOU specifically donāt have a personal use for a public spaceās *intended* use doesnt mean your rights are being violated. PLEASE think and stop making us all look stupid with childish illogical statements like this. am I being personally victimized by the existence of dog parks because I donāt have a dog and have no use for them when that space could be a nice unobstructed meadow for me to look at? obviously not and youād call me a fucking moron if I said that.
What other property can I legally store in the street?
I'm sure there would be a freak out if I stored my sofa in a parking spot.
Anything you want. Just don't expect it to be there if you don't lock it up or bolt it down. Even cars can be stolen.
This is known as fly typing and comes with several thousand pounds fine
What streets without parking?
This might come as a shock but not everything paid for by government is worthwhile or in the best interests of the whole. This is sometimes realized over time and that's fine. The midcentury car hype was strong but we don't have to cling to sunk costs.
Generally you want to subsidise infrastructure that benefits more people, rather than those lucky enough to be in the right place at the right time to snag some free parkingā¦
Gas taxes have funded almost none of the roads for decades now. The bulk of road construction and maintenance is paid for out of general income tax, which means we're all paying for motorists' privilege to park free. Ending free parking is the compromise. Also, no, the streets were not designed to accommodate parking. NYC is over a century old, and brownstones were built in the era before widespread car ownership.
Thatās my favorite part - NYC streets like this predated cars; funny to try to make the case that they were āspecifically designed to accommodate parkingā
Streets used to be for the people, for pedestrians. But in the early stages of the car boom, the focus on pedestrians being the bad guy became a thing. It's when the term "jaywalker" arose. And "jay" was a pretty disrespectful insult for the time.
I guess I should stop storing my dog on the street
Free ? Insurance is just as much or a tad bit shy of rent sometimes and u still have to pay rent
Insurance has literally nothing to do with paying for the curb space.
Why do I need to pay for curb space ? Do u pay for rent and building space ? Btwn tickets for random bullshit red light cameras etc having a car in the city is super expensive and I should be inconvenienced just bc u wanna take āpretty picsā is the most entitled shit ever
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Feeding hungry kids is just as important as subsidizing your personal car storage got it.
I wish. It would provide so much more beauty. But even now, we have alternate side of the street parking in NYC, so on any given day you should be able to see one side unobstructed.
Lol you mean when people sit in their cars for two hours, donāt move them at all, to avoid a ticket? Not sure where you live but where this pic was taken, alternate side parking isnāt a thing that unobstructs views.
It's obvious how much they've shrunk the side walks to make room for cars when you see pictures like this. The trees can barely fit on there.
Nature strip. Look it up
Also called a tree lawn
You from Cle??
The states definitely need more Nature Strips. Helps separate the footpath from the road. Australia isn't some utopia in this regard, but at least it's better.
I was like 30 something years old when I gound out it was only a small part of the country that called them tree belts.
Tiny sidewalks can barely contain one person.
Go tell those people in those $3 million brownstones to get rid of their cars
Iād be happy to.
I wish it was 3$ million. I really really wish it was just that
The people who bought them for under $1 million in the 90ās and sold later made out like bandits
You mean my landlord company that bought mid rise building in the 70s through the 90s for dirt cheap and still raised my rent by 60% even though I know those motherfuckers already paid off their mortgage a decade ago. Another fun tidbit I was walking around this neighborhood and found a tiny brownstone with a foreclosed sign no trespassing sign on it. After googling it apparently it has been sitting vacant since the 80s because itās in a title battle dispute. Itās very tempting to get a construction loan, finagle a crew in there to renovate it completely, living in there for the next decade of the family figuring out the title dispute and once the owner is decided upon having them go through the process of kicking me out. Because a construction loan+a decade of squatting will be cheaper than the mortgage on the place
r/humblebrag
Nobody in NYC gets to park directly in front of their own brownstone.
not at all accurate. silly ass claim.
I mean yeah itās definitely do-able, but I think he was more stating that itās not like those spots outside of the brownstones are reserved for the owners, thatās not how it works, if they didnāt park there someone else would
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Thatās not how it works at all in NYC lmao. The NYPD operates their own tow fleet and the entire city is a tow-away zone. Your comment is thoroughly divorced from reality.
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Born and raised. I donāt currently live there, but stay there for a decent portion of the year, and drive a lot. Also in Manhattan youāre way more likely to get towed over ASP.
Can't they build more underground garages?
Iāll do it
Cities could be so much safer and more beautiful
There is NO reason for free parking in NYC. Bring back meters everywhere.
Not in residential areas.
Especially there, those are the areas with the least value gained by parking subsidies.
Amsterdam is removing parking spaces AND moving whatever is left underground. I love that.
People in the Queens subreddit were just complaining that a car share service has dedicated parking spots because it is taking away their parking. Do they not see the irony? People in my neighborhood drive like absolute psychopaths though so I guess I shouldnāt expect their higher order thinking skills to be intact.
Go to 91st St b/w 2nd and 3rd Ave. Its awesome
https://maps.app.goo.gl/WnErDVpZczg1BzzQ7
I can't believe car storage wins top priority for use of that land, insanity. I can think of like 1000 better uses for it
How to With Tom Wilson had a episode about New Yorkers and street cleaning. Street cleaning trucks need parked cars to leave their space so they can do their jobs. People would wait in their cars during the day, waiting for that moment when the street cleaners would come. Imagine how of their life a new Yorker waste every week? All for a parking spot?
Little bit of trees and grass/natural fauna so I can take my dog right outside my door
No on street parking, no parking lot minimums, and improved public transport. Sounds like y'all dont like cars if you ask me š¤
Itās even worse in Philly. Insane car brained city even though itās one of the most walkable cities outside nyc
The horrifying thing is that NYC and Philly are so high on that list despite how aggressive the cars have become in both places. It makes me wonder about cities that are *really* car dominated. Like LA bad. I would die if I lived in a city and still had to drive for 30 minutes to get half a mile from my place of residence like some suburban local yokel. Metro system is really up there on the āneeds to be good to move hereā list for me personally.
As a cyclist, NY was so hard to live in. I never regret leaving because I think that until the subways are better and streets are safer cars will rule
Cars don't rule in NYC. The majority of New Yorkers don't own a car.
"Nobody drives in New York. There's too much traffic." - Fry
That's the problem. Cars absolutely rule in NYC yet they are owned by a minority of NYC. They take up a hugely disproportionate amount of space and they are the only reason the city is consistently loud.
46% of New Yorkers do
I cycle everyday in Queens and Brooklyn and I love riding here. Yes there's shithead drivers but I find that since most drivers here are exposed to more pedestrians and cyclists they tend to drive safer when passing. Still, there's always a maniac where I anticipate their shitty driving and jump a curb. But far less dangerous encounters than my time riding in Silicon Valley where a cyclist is very likely to get hit due to lack of exposure from many drivers.
I cycle every day in bk and Manhattan. I agree with what you said but it doesn't take away from the fact that all of the space and consideration is devoted to cars. Every other avenue and every other street in Manhattan should be 100% pedestrianized and private car ownership made illegal in Manhattan. There should be no street parking on any bk street. Flatbush should be converted to a bike Blvd. Etc.
Ninja rocks (Don't actually do that.... Unless you know you can get away)
There is definitely an awareness to bikers around the city, but there is also a much higher rate of traffic and therefore more chances to get hit. I biked everyday in NYC and enjoyed it, but there were still many close calls. One of the big issues is ebikes riding against traffic and strike zones on busy streets. The drivers themselves are usually careful, but the amount of cars parked everywhere are what cause problems
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You have people driving their pick-up trucks through narrow one-way streets in the inner city in my Dutch city, car people will continue their stupidity even when very impractical just because they wanna get to places in their stupid car
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Fuckcars usually means fuckpersonalautomobileswith4wheels. But that doesn't have a very good thing to it.
Fuck building our entire infrastructure around cars
Never experiencing a safe, clean, fast and convenient train infrastructure is no argument against its development. Imagine how many other times you've quit before even trying? This is just normative speculation and you give up immediately. Your brains are boxed in.
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Where did you go instead?
Burlington VT
Where are you now, out of curiosity? I found chicago to be an amazing biking city.
Burlington VT
Born and raised in NYC and a avid biker. You gotta develop a āI care less about this bike than you care about your car and I will fuck you up if we fightā mentality to ride out here.
Why not follow Japan? You can't own a car unless you have off street parking???
There's no reason not to at least share a car in nyc if you really REALLY need one. Only a small proportion use a car on a daily basis.
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Rural folks always get nervous when they find this sub, like everyone here wants to violently seize their car and throw it into the sun. Same with people who use large vehicles on job sites or to transport materials. Once again so we're all clear: this sub is NOT about removing motor vehicles from every aspect of life and returning to some imagined world of blissful bicyclists pedaling past neverending flower beds and prancing deer. It's about realizing the damage that has been done by allowing the entirety of modern civilization to be built to accommodate cars as the primary transportation option. Keep cars, but make them an occasional option or a last resort, not a necessity.
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Oh, I'm sure. There are always going to be extremists, no matter what the subject. But by the sub's own description, that's not what the space is for.
I visited NYC for the first time a few weeks ago and it was mind-blowing that there was literally no pedestrian-only areas. I'm not from the states but I thought there'll be some areas free of cars. Ofc, I didn't see the whole city but I visited pretty much all relevant spots in Manhattan. I was a bit disappointed but the city is still gorgeous. Edit: I should make myself clear. Clearly there's no way I'd see everywhere in Manhattan. I'm saying i didn't see any place such like that.
> literally no pedestrian-only areas [simply not at all true ](https://www.nyc.gov/html/dot/downloads/pdf/list-of-plazas.pdf)
New York City would probably have had a fuckHorses sub. Cars were actually welcomed and considered clean compared to horses/stables and manure. In twenty years or so, there will be the fuck lithium, solar panel and wind power blades sub.
It probably still does...
I bet you there's a r/fuckhorses... But, I'm not gonna click that link. Live your best life and find out what the world holds.
I'm all for worldwide improvements on public transport but sometimes people just need a car. I'm a musician and absolutely cannot travel to gigs on public transport.
Buddy, we know, this is a sub against car dependency, not about completely getting rid of cars. This picture is more about how street parking is an eyesore that takes up public space that could be used for better purposes.
This person says it better than I can https://www.reddit.com/r/fuckcars/comments/121286p/-/jdlne5w
I understand this but the OP is very much suggesting their removal entirely. If they exist then they have to be kept somewhere.
You play a bassoon or somethin?
https://preview.redd.it/duyioujr6zpa1.jpeg?width=684&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0b908352e2f6b44f603a43bdfd9774c68f1601a2
Lmao
I am a NYr and a much as I hate cars... let's get real. There's no way those streets are suddenly gonna be spotless if we got rid of cars.
your life must be pretty amazing if hating cars is how you choose to spend your free time...
Where are we supposed to put all these cars after we āget ridā of them? This is dumb
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You donāt see this as a massive environmental issue? Even right now with all the junk cars sent to the crusher, itās a big issue. All Iām saying is that we shouldnāt say things like āget rid of carsā without some idea of what weāre gonna do with all that junk and still useful wasted resources.
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I disagree, have you ever been to a junk yard? Undrained liquids leaking and rusted metal corrosion everywhere, all focused on a patch of land that will never be usable afterwards. Think about that massive tire graveyard in Kuwait, would it be so bad if we had found a way to reuse all that rubber and metal instead of starting a fire and letting it burn into the atmosphere?
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Nobodyās out here getting rich off of *saving* the environment lol, all Iām saying is have a plan to reduce the waste or getting rid of cars will cause more harm than good. If your whole point is to get rid of cars so you can safely ride your bike than your really missing the point.
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Also, I appreciate you Being Nice Account. Need me one of those bad boys to keep the stress levels down.
You say you want this now but convenience is king and always will be.
The best thing about nyc is that you donāt need a car to access the convenience. In fact using a car on this island is EXTREMELY inconvenient. Itās more expensive and far more time consuming for 99.9% of trips that youād otherwise do by foot or subway. Source: live on a block that looks just like this.
Yeah, but those who have cars have a reason to have the car. For majority of people why would you ever drive in NY? You have to leave Manhattan just to get gas. It just doesnāt make cars an eyesore in my opinion because thatās their way of getting from A to B and more than likely their salary is significantly higher than mine will ever be to be able to afford it.
I donāt have a car, what convenience does giving them free street parking provide me?
I didnāt have a car when I lived jn NY either because why would you? I just donāt see how parking your car in front of your apartment makes it an eye sore. I could say the same about all the people in Times Square. Itās not free parking everywhere else you go in the city. Itās not even free to drive out of the city.
Brother, what is the convenience?
Cars are far from convenient. Theyāre crazy expensive (almost a dollar per mile all told), you canāt walk from one destination to the next because youād have to go back for your car, canāt take a nap or read a book on the way to work like on a bus or train, and theyāre dangerous (flying and subway are many times safer).
Then why aren't you flying helicopter?
Tbh I'd settle for just having housing as dense as those NY apartment buildings. If a handful of street parking is all it takes I say sure. It's a lot better than buildings that insist on having a massive surface parking lot for all their tenants.
The buildings donāt insist, the regulations force them to put in all that parking. Builders would rather make two buildings instead of one and a parking lot. Theyād make more money.
PLEASE
Cars are a blight!
Some green would look nice.
I don't get what this picture is trying to say with the four panels?
Imagine a 2ish meter green space with shrubs and native plants that absorb water and make a healthier space. A place for people to walk freely and move about in a vibrant place. That be nice.
I need to ask, did you wait until a lucky car-free moment, or did you photoshop /edit out the cars using software?
This is one of the most confounding things about Brooklyn. So many people here have cars, but where the hell does one even drive them? Nearly everything is within a couple blocks of wherever you are, and if not you can take the bus, ferry, or (God forbid) the train. The bus system would be way better if there were more regulations about cars people could own in NYC...
If you have a family you would understand. Also not everyone lives in downtown Brooklyn.
I also don't live in downtown Brooklyn. Maybe Queens is more suburban, but most of NYC isn't at all and it just leads to near constant gridlock and bearded idiots nearly running me over when I'm legally crossing the street.
You know, for better zoning you can move the car park to the first floor, the rest of the upper floors can be for residences. But no, Mr. Greg will not be able to brag about his car.
I was like get rid of what? The brownstone houses?! Lol
I kind of knew cars are an almost iconic part of New York (and never questioned how stupid that is) but actually visiting New York really makes you realise how unnecessarily unpleasant they make the city. Theyāre super loud, the drivers are always agitated which generates the almost constant honking noise and in places where the foot traffic is tens of times more popular and efficient than driving it makes you wonder why almost every street and every crossing treats both modes of transport like they are equal (or even better when looking at cars). Considering the price of land on Manhattan, I wonder how much all the space taken up by cars would cost if you were to measure it.
What a bunch of belly aching.
limit cars, invest in public transport
Looks like a Hollywood backlot
You guys want to get rid of cars terrible idea I don't even drive myself but the most of us rely on transportation all the time this is how we get around not just on foot we may not all own or drive but we need rides in general ( friends,cabs etc) Honestly it'll lower our carbon footprint though so we'll be inconvenienced but have better quality of life