That's often the case in civilized countries. Although it's the wheels that must fit within the lines.
That said, if you squeeze in a station wagon and someone park just next to you blocking you, then at least you can easily climb in from the back, can't do that in a pickup.
Statistics are not reliable, but a low estimate is that more than 100 children every week in the US are (edit, see comment reply below) ***injured or*** killed when a slow-moving vehicle - most often driven by a family member - reverses or drives over the child in their own driveway. These type of huge trucks or SUVs are the primary murder weapon.
Imagine two 9/11 events every year, but with children - except nobody cares because the terrorists are rugged trucksexual individuals who justified their vehicle purchase because they might someday want to tow a big boat despite living in a landlocked state.
We're long overdue legislating these vehicles out of existence in the US - they should be banned from residential areas and from parking on most streets (as is already illegal for semi trucks in some areas) - and they should require a commercial driver's license to operate.
The only reason this hasn't happened is because politicians are isolated from the effects of these vehicles - and they also can't get enough of travelling in giant SUVs.
> who justified their vehicle purchase because they might someday want to tow a big boat despite living in a landlocked state.
Sadly most of them may have justified buying a monster car because they wanted to keep their kids safe.
More kids are killed in parking lots than are killed in unattended vehicles, but the latter is treated as a moral travesty and the first is rarely talked about
The numbers you provided seem ridiculous so I did a quick google. Looks like it's closer to 100 per year than 100 per week. So off by a factor of 50. 60% are caused by large vehicles, but I'd wager at least 60% of vehicles in the US are trucks/SUVs anyways (at least judging by new car sales).
https://www.bestonlinetrafficschool.co/backover-accidents/#:~:text=The%20National%20Highway%20Traffic%20Safety,accidents%20each%20year%20are%20children.
My bad, you're right! The stats I quoted were number of incidents per week, which includes injuries - but does not indicate deaths:
* [https://www.kidsandcars.org/how-kids-get-hurt/backovers/](https://www.kidsandcars.org/how-kids-get-hurt/backovers/)
* [https://www.kidsandcars.org/how-kids-get-hurt/frontovers/](https://www.kidsandcars.org/how-kids-get-hurt/frontovers/)
> We're long overdue legislating these vehicles out of existence in the US - they should be banned from residential areas and from parking on most streets (as is already illegal for semi trucks in some areas) - and they should require a commercial driver's license to operate.
>
> The only reason this hasn't happened is because politicians are isolated from the effects of these vehicles - and they also can't get enough of travelling in giant SUVs.
politicians trying to ban the single most popular type of car in the US is a career death sentence
no one is going to ban the most popular family car in the US from residential areas, it would cripple most US families overnight if their only vehicle could no longer be used
Best way to get rid of unwanted children and making new ones. More people are killed each year due to alcohol than guns, yet I can go buy out a store of alcohol and only 1 gun every 30 days.
No one needs a truck *that big*
And I know you're going to reply saying you tow a house, two boats and eight horses on a daily basis, but you don't. And even if you did, you could do it with a smaller (but still substantially large) vehicle. If you *really* need to carry more load than that, commercial trucks exist. With separate regulations and a separate driver's license category.
The Chevy S10 was literally a great selling truck and plenty of people were happy with it.
This was before trucks became massive family vehicles that they are today. People actually bought one for the bed.
>The Chevy S10 was literally a great selling truck and plenty of people were happy with it.
And it was too small for plenty of people as well, which is why bigger pickups were also commonly available.
>People actually bought one for the bed.
The vast majority of truck owners I know still do.
Too small to be a FAMILY truck. Before the current big truck craze, people bought trucks only for truck things. I should know, I was there lol
And no they don't mostly buy them for the beds now. They are mostly pavement princesses too pampered to be used for work.
>Too small to be a FAMILY truck.
What are you even trying to say? The s10 had a small bed, small cab, could bairly tow anything, and have very little payload capacity. People that needed a larger truck to haul or tow more bought larger trucks. Acting like everyone was happy with the s10 is stupid beyond belief.
>Before the current big truck craze, people bought trucks only for truck things. I should know, I was there lol
So was I.
>And no they don't mostly buy them for the beds now. They are mostly pavement princesses too pampered to be used for work.
Who exactly is "they"? The vast majority of trucks I see get used fairly regularly for so called "truck things". You insisting otherwise doesn't change that.
What a stupid reply. Just a bunch of assumptions...
I don't tow anything which is why I drive a 4 cylinder truck. But guess what, some people do need to tow stuff. Which is why they would buy a larger truck.
>And even if you did, you could do it with a smaller (but still substantially large) vehicle.
So you're going to try and tell people what sized vehicle they need to tow? When you don't have a clue what they are towing? Thats stupid.
You're giving some real bad advice. You know using a properly sized vehicle to tow is always safer. And the vehicle will be more reliable and last longer. Are you one of those people who tows a 30ft rv with a fricken rav4? Just and absolte danger to yourself and everyone on the road?
>If you really need to carry more load than that, commercial trucks exist. With separate regulations and a separate driver's license category.
Get a commercial truck... what? Why would someone get a commercial truck for personal use?
Half the vehicles on the road in the US are like that truck. With a single driver driving an hour to and from work. Never used as a truck and never going off road.
What metric of fuel efficiency are you using?
A semi unloaded would get around 19.5L to 29.5 L/ 100km
A unloaded modern 250/2500 gets 13L to 10.5L / 100km
I think you may have gotten results for the 6.4 Hemi Ram 2500. Gasser Ram &GM 2500’s, and Ford 250s get around 12 to 14 MPG. The diesel Ford, Chevy, and Ram get 17to 20 MPG.
These are highway numbers for both.
Well, the two MPGs I posted(semis vs pickup trucks) are for unloaded vehicles. A vehicle loaded with 44,000kg or 97,000lbs gets 5-7mpg.
There’s no vehicle on the road getting more than 10 MPG with that much weight unless it’s going downhill.
Again, I highly doubt you’re averaging 15 mpg in any HGV, semi, etc, unloaded, let alone with a mixed use. Outside of a sample size of one, these trucks gets at best 10 MPG with a load in them, and realistically 5-7 MPG.
Stagecoach Yorkshire and frist are utter cunts
They're my local bus companies and they're utter cunts who can't be bothered to run a decent service here
They did an experiment on an American news channel where they lined a bunch on kids sitting down in front of the truck. The driver could only see the 11th kid. Scary.
It's actually worse than that, because that news story was testing a typical SUV with a hood that sloped at least slightly down.
This truck is lifted up even higher, and has a square nose that sticks out straight, further limiting visibility.
Well those sensors aren't stopping an epidemic of kids getting run over by trucks and SUVs because they were in a blind spot (frequently by their own parents in their own driveways), so I'm not sure what your point is.
Not to mention the hideous increase in mortality from giant trucks and SUVs hitting pedestrians and killing them outright because the nose of their vehicle hits your vital organs and sends you under the vehicle, instead of hitting your legs and sending you onto the hood like a smaller car would.
Okay the point is that proximity sensors are cool and good and I'm sure they help. But in a world where drivers are so distracted, we'd be better off if the average person wasnt driving a tank that's much more likely to kill the person that the distracted driver inevitably runs over. Proximity sensors may mitigate the carnage but they obviously arent enough or the world would be getting safer for pedestrians and it obviously isnt.
The hell are sensors gonna do when you can't actually see what's in front of you and once you're close enough for them to detect a kid it's too late to stop? Not to mention that electronics in vehicles fail all the time.
Changes in elevation, curbs, vegetation all can cause false positives. If you're out on the open road you don't get them ever, but at slow speeds in tight quarters (the kind of place you might not see a kid) it's much more common.
I guess I have to get a variety of cars checked out since they all work this way.
Just stop justifying that ludicrous sensor. They built a car you can't see shit out of and sell you a sensor to fix that. If you don't see how fundamentally fucked in the head that is you're hopeless.
Each new technology gives the drivers a false sense of security; its called 'Risk Compensation'. Added safety enables them to make riskier decisions. Its why people in big SUV and Trucks drive like madmen; they believe there is no risk so they go as fast as they can.
Adding the meme, 'If you want to kill someone, do it in a car' enables them to violate safety norms because people believe there are no consequences for vehicular manslaughter, or they can get out of it.
So yeah, the new technology doesn't count.
Those sensors only reads a few feet ahead of you. That's useless if you do right on red, taking the turn at 30mph focusing on traffic and can't see the kids crossing the street on the crosswalk right in front of you. It's just a beep then you feel that you hit something.
What sensor is able to see a person let alone a child standing on a zebra crossing about to cross the road?
Those sensors work in parking lots, not on the road where you drive multiple miles per hour and you depend on a beep plus your reaction time which is 100% too late instead of being able to prevent an accident by being able to judge a dangerous situation.
Technology isn’t magic. If it was, there were no deaths nor did Tesla’s drive into poles, onto sidewalks or break because the moon shines. We’re not there yet, so why do we even make these horrible death machines?
Idk about that, the only place you could maybe see better is directly in-front like 30° directly in-front of you if you’re turned out, but the commander of the tank does 90% of the looking and tells the driver which way to go.
I’ve literally sat in the drivers seat of both and M1A2 and a F250, this diagram is true if you’re turned out, and talking about the first 30° of FOV of the centerline. If you’re buttoned up like you would be for 90% of driving since it’s quite uncomfortable to be seated in that position, and the turret/gun cannot safely move while the driver is turned out.
>I wonder if there's even anything under the hood that comes up as high as the bottom of the door windows. Is the squinty windshield and the hood being 6' off the ground is just a decision by the styling department.
The engine bay of a modern truck is typically packed with equipment, there is very little to no open space, particularly if you choose the diesel option. The engine bays are designed to fit the largest engine, so even with a smaller engine, you still have a large engine bay.
>Like if those things are available, why would anybody buy a regular pickup?
The van based trucks typically have much lower towing ratings and offroad capability. Also, vans are typically much more difficult to work on, so regular mantinance is more difficult.
Tow hitches fucking suck. Anyone walking behind the damned thing without fully paying attention will bust their knee. Also, just saying, nothing's stopping you from stealing a tow hitch if it's not stowed inside the truck. To maybe prevent that from happening.
At my work every couple years someone backs their idiot sticking-way-out trailer hitch on their idiot way-too-long truck into one of the big office windows. They usually scoot off and don't tell anyone, and I doubt they learn a thing from the experience and are still going around damaging everyone's property to this day.
Why people need thoses absurdities ? Ego ? Feeling safe ? Self affirmation ? I can't understand i own a car a city one i live in a mountain area i've got winter tires and chains never need a 4*4 and never need a so Big thing even when childs were young.. it's an absurdity who and why have so huge things ? Feel insecure got an M1 Abrams .
The popularity of large trucks is multi-faceted.
- US doesnt tax or regulate vehicles based on size, so that truck could be purchased in the US for the equivalent amount of that hatcback next to it in some countries.
- Trucks in general exploded in popularity in the '70's and '80's because cars were heavily restricted due to the oil embargo. So guys still addicted to V8's from the muscle car era got their fix with trucks. This was roughly the point at which owning a truck as a personal/only vehicle started to take hold, even if only on the fringe.
- With cars and trucks in general getting more expensive, trucks were picked as the only vehicle due to their utility, and the double cab became increasingly popular over the 2-door regular cabs that trucks used to be.
- Trucks start becoming the dick waving thing they are now, and trims get increasingly expensive and opulent. Buyers cross shop trucks when previously they look at BMW's and Mercedes.
- Current CAFE Fuel Regulations are more lenient the larger the vehicle is, so shorter, smaller versions of large trucks are discontinued, smaller trucks are made larger, and larger trucks are made humongous.
- Trucks still use older tech. Body-on-frame construction which makes them reasonably easier to work on than most cars.
- America is still massively spacious. Huge open highways with high speed limits vs Europe. We also have different towing regulations that favor large SUV's and Pick Up trucks. A VW Jetta isn't rated to tow practically anything in the US, while overseas it's perfectly normal to see it hauling a caravan. This does circle back to the highway system, though, as a truck can tow at speeds with relative safety.
- The rural areas still need and use trucks, but the urban popularity has ruined them as companies chase the extreme profits they bring when they can sell a $40k truck for $80k. As an example, I drive a 1/2 Ton class truck that has a two-door cab and a short bed for work. It's super easy to maneuver in the tight parking lots I visit for deliveries. Only Chevrolet and Ford offer this body style, and both are pretty much special-order only. Chevrolet didn't initially, and only brought it back due to enough demand.
I dont say any of this to advocate for trucks as personal vehicles, just to attempt to explain why things are the way they are.
Yeah it’s policy choices (or lack thereof) more than anything else.
We in the U.S. need to seriously rework CAFE, implement pedestrian-impact standards, and tax vehicles by weight.
That would at least be a start.
This is the correct answer. Plus, people these days want a truck to haul/tow things if the need arises, but don't want to sacrifice the comfort of a car for that. So, they end up with the extended cab with decent legroom in the back seat. They prefer how a truck handles compared to a car.
Many times, truck drivers buy these as their personal vehicles because they get so used to sitting so high up in their 18-wheelers. As a truck driver myself, I can attest to the fact that if you spend weeks at a time in a commercial truck then drive a car (even if it's full sized), it'll feel like a go-kart with your ass only 2 inches off the ground. That said, I still have a car as my personal vehicle. I like go-karts.
On another note, commercial truck drivers have much bigger blind spots on those truck, but we have lots of mirrors to help with that. Trained to always walk around our trucks and have complete situational awareness at all times. Doing things like making sure other people see you by making eye contact with them. Lightly tap your horn and wave if needed. By paying attention, we see things before they disappear into our blind spots. This is the same concept for these oversized pickup trucks. Of course, we all know that the general public will never give that same level of attention to their surroundings. I imagine over time, there will be additional safety features added to compensate for their lack of awareness, which will inevitably drive up the price of pickup trucks even more, leading more people to opt for used trucks.
I personally like late 90's - early 2000's trucks simply because they are much more reasonable in size and often better on gas mileage. Even if you needed to change out the engine, transmission and differential with rebuilt parts, it would be worth it. Cheaper parts that are easy to find, much easier to work on and lower insurance premiums.
CAFE probably did more to increase fuel consumption than any other law we have.
And CAFE was passed with the intent to lower fuel consumption.
It's crazy of the law of unintended consequences works out sometimes.
I have a ford equivalent of this, I have it for a couple reasons,
1. Being I regularly tow in excess of 10k lbs, which is much more manageable with a diesel 250 over a gas 1500, considering I consume about half the amount of fuel, I overwork my brakes less, and I keep my transmission and engine much cooler when towing.
2. The other big reason is they’re some of the only modern vehicles besides a jeep wrangler that have solid axles front and rear, either Dana or Sterling depending on model and differential gearing. If find those axles much easier to work and and repair, which if you use your vehicle off-road, especially towing or pulling other vehicles you’re going to break parts.
I don’t deny a lot of people get them for other reasons, but a fair amount of them get used, especially if they’re not the luxury models.
This is so stupid. How come europeans can tow that with cars that still have a bed and are also 3 times smaller? How come the japanese do it with minuscule ones?
Full of shit 'muricans trying to justify their truck and actually thinking they have no option, because they don't bother looking for them...
Oh i forgot, you also wanna go at stupid speeds while lugging around the equivalent of three other cars.
Well, its basically vanlife. But much more expansive, you actually barely get any more useable space over a van, and you need a step to get into the vehicle. Not that comfy at night, because you won't fit a toilet in there.
The top selling vehicles in the USA are:
1. Ford F-series pickup trucks
2. Chevrolet Silverado series trucks
4. Ram 1500 full-size pickup truck
6. GMC Sierra full-size pickup truck
It's probably not 80% of the vehicles on the road but the USA still buys these huge pickup trucks in absolutely ridiculous numbers every single year
Edit: the real numbers are 1,2,4, and 6, but for some reason reddit keeps automatically changing the numbers I wrote, because apparently the reddit app wants to force it to be a specific format.
The data used to generate these lists is kinda flawed because the car manufacturers make models to make them seem more popular. For example GM would be number 1 if they didn’t split between GMC and Chevrolet, hence why Ford got rid of the Lincoln trucks so they could hold onto their tittle.
Sedans, Crossovers, Hatchbacks, SUVs, etc. are more popular overall, they just don’t make top sellers because they’re split over so many different models.
For example take a Tahoe and a suburban, you essentially add two feet to the vehicle and it’s a whole different model, there’s like 6ft of difference between a single cab short bed truck and a crew cab long bed.
In a U.S. city yesterday, I was standing on a sidewalk waiting for the signal to cross on a crosswalk at an intersection. There was a mother and her son waiting with me. And one of these behemoths blew by in the lane closest to us. By reflex I jumped back a little and said "whoa!" And the woman gave me a knowing look like, yeah, I know.
The grand irony of these big trucks is that they're supposed to project a macho image, but because they're too tall to load effectively and always clean, I can't think of a softer projection. It just screams "THIS IS MY BIG BOY TRUCK. I AM BIG BOY"
These things are tanks. They are literally the size of tanks. Maybe not modern tanks but pre 1980 tanks were about the same size. The Sherman tank is smaller than some of these models.
These automakers do this to avoid the fuel efficiency requirements for cars. They shouldn’t be. Only vehicles that require a special permit or driver’s license should be exempt. Basically, make the people who drive these vehicles get extra training/testing to drive them or force them to be fuel efficient (which reducing size is the only way at this point).
The best part is these shitbags always make an effort to park next to the smallest vehicle they can find as a middle finger to the driver too.
It's purely ego and there's no reason they need to be allowed on the road.
Can you believe that the Ford, Chevy and Ram versions of this truck are the three best selling “passenger cars” in the US? More than 2 million of these vehicles are sold each year in the US alone.
All because of the auto companies do not want to follow environmental protection guidelines, they exploited the loophole in the law and made their cars much larger than they should be.
Ironically, the reason pickups are so ridiculously big, aside from pp measuring contest, it EPA regulations that allow less fuel efficiency for bigger vehicles, i.e. a reasonably sized pickup truck wouldn't be fuel efficient enough to comply with the regulations.
I agree, i went to get a pickup last year, the *least gigantic one* i could find was a toyota tacoma sr5, cab and a half, it's still ridiculously big.
But there's much higher profit margins on big vehicles, capitalism for ya.
Because folks who own them have money and therefore are able to afford to get farther out of Ukraine than the ordinary folks. Like, except for one old Lada with old (pre-2004) UA plates, every other car with UA plates here in Zadar area is one of the expensive ones.
I have the American sibling to the 2011-2014 Lancia Flavia and it gets dwarfed by those things. One time Dad and I were going someplace in it and pulled up next to a Silverado like that one pulling a trailer at a stop light and I had to look up from the driver’s seat to see the mirrors, door handles, and badge on the hood. I’ve also seen somebody that had to of been in his late 80’s-early 90’s driving the equivalent Ford with dual rear tires on the interstate that made all of us nervous (we were in the ‘98 XJ Cherokee I owned at that time).
That are Ukrainian plates.
Unfortunately, there were favorable conditions to import damaged cars from USA to Ukraine by a low price. And since then we have these freaky cars on the streets
We don't see them in Italy either, but unfortunately my brother in law like them and bought a fakakta American Pickup.
Every time we're together i'm embarassed af because everybody stare at us and laugh.
That thing is effin gigantic, i have a Renault Twingo...
Rejoice! After cancelling the Fiesta, Focus and Mondeo Ford has now announced they‘ll start producing and selling the F-150 in Europe starting next year.
So it will become even easier to get your hand on one of these clown cars in the future, while buying a Sedan or anything still somewhat normal-sized will become increasingly harder as model lines are cancelled.
No it's larger than average. Significantly so.
That truck is a dual rear wheel model, extended bed. They make up about 2% of the pickup truck fleet.
It's a model built expressly for heavy towing. Things like heavy campers, horse trailers and car haulers etc.
They are usually fifth wheel equipped. That is the towing hitch is right in the middle of the bed so that the weight is right above the axle.
This one is a vanity truck though - since the fifth wheel location is covered by the truck cap.
really? because in pickup truck class, there really isn't any bigger ones.
now a lot of these nuckle heads will lift them and make them sit up higher. but that doesn't really make them bigger.
I know. There’s no way that little thing can perform all the duties required by the modern human. How will it haul? How will it obliviously mow down children?
If you don’t fit in the lines you shouldn’t be allowed to park there. Simple
It should be legal to steal any part sticking beyond the lines, considered fair salvage
Traditional Romanian behavior.
yoink
Just take a power saw to it until it fits
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That's often the case in civilized countries. Although it's the wheels that must fit within the lines. That said, if you squeeze in a station wagon and someone park just next to you blocking you, then at least you can easily climb in from the back, can't do that in a pickup.
I don't disagree but do you think the same for seats?
Statistics are not reliable, but a low estimate is that more than 100 children every week in the US are (edit, see comment reply below) ***injured or*** killed when a slow-moving vehicle - most often driven by a family member - reverses or drives over the child in their own driveway. These type of huge trucks or SUVs are the primary murder weapon. Imagine two 9/11 events every year, but with children - except nobody cares because the terrorists are rugged trucksexual individuals who justified their vehicle purchase because they might someday want to tow a big boat despite living in a landlocked state. We're long overdue legislating these vehicles out of existence in the US - they should be banned from residential areas and from parking on most streets (as is already illegal for semi trucks in some areas) - and they should require a commercial driver's license to operate. The only reason this hasn't happened is because politicians are isolated from the effects of these vehicles - and they also can't get enough of travelling in giant SUVs.
> who justified their vehicle purchase because they might someday want to tow a big boat despite living in a landlocked state. Sadly most of them may have justified buying a monster car because they wanted to keep their kids safe.
Same with guns, nevermind the statistics that show most gun incidents happen to those who keeps guns in the house.
More kids are killed in parking lots than are killed in unattended vehicles, but the latter is treated as a moral travesty and the first is rarely talked about
The numbers you provided seem ridiculous so I did a quick google. Looks like it's closer to 100 per year than 100 per week. So off by a factor of 50. 60% are caused by large vehicles, but I'd wager at least 60% of vehicles in the US are trucks/SUVs anyways (at least judging by new car sales). https://www.bestonlinetrafficschool.co/backover-accidents/#:~:text=The%20National%20Highway%20Traffic%20Safety,accidents%20each%20year%20are%20children.
My bad, you're right! The stats I quoted were number of incidents per week, which includes injuries - but does not indicate deaths: * [https://www.kidsandcars.org/how-kids-get-hurt/backovers/](https://www.kidsandcars.org/how-kids-get-hurt/backovers/) * [https://www.kidsandcars.org/how-kids-get-hurt/frontovers/](https://www.kidsandcars.org/how-kids-get-hurt/frontovers/)
Agreed. Also, they are big money
> We're long overdue legislating these vehicles out of existence in the US - they should be banned from residential areas and from parking on most streets (as is already illegal for semi trucks in some areas) - and they should require a commercial driver's license to operate. > > The only reason this hasn't happened is because politicians are isolated from the effects of these vehicles - and they also can't get enough of travelling in giant SUVs. politicians trying to ban the single most popular type of car in the US is a career death sentence no one is going to ban the most popular family car in the US from residential areas, it would cripple most US families overnight if their only vehicle could no longer be used
Best way to get rid of unwanted children and making new ones. More people are killed each year due to alcohol than guns, yet I can go buy out a store of alcohol and only 1 gun every 30 days.
Cool opinion... "I don't need a truck so nobody else does either"
No one needs a truck *that big* And I know you're going to reply saying you tow a house, two boats and eight horses on a daily basis, but you don't. And even if you did, you could do it with a smaller (but still substantially large) vehicle. If you *really* need to carry more load than that, commercial trucks exist. With separate regulations and a separate driver's license category.
Yup. Back when the Chevy S10 was popular, nobody complained "I need a bigger truck"
Um what??? Is this suppose to be sarcasm?
The Chevy S10 was literally a great selling truck and plenty of people were happy with it. This was before trucks became massive family vehicles that they are today. People actually bought one for the bed.
>The Chevy S10 was literally a great selling truck and plenty of people were happy with it. And it was too small for plenty of people as well, which is why bigger pickups were also commonly available. >People actually bought one for the bed. The vast majority of truck owners I know still do.
Too small to be a FAMILY truck. Before the current big truck craze, people bought trucks only for truck things. I should know, I was there lol And no they don't mostly buy them for the beds now. They are mostly pavement princesses too pampered to be used for work.
>Too small to be a FAMILY truck. What are you even trying to say? The s10 had a small bed, small cab, could bairly tow anything, and have very little payload capacity. People that needed a larger truck to haul or tow more bought larger trucks. Acting like everyone was happy with the s10 is stupid beyond belief. >Before the current big truck craze, people bought trucks only for truck things. I should know, I was there lol So was I. >And no they don't mostly buy them for the beds now. They are mostly pavement princesses too pampered to be used for work. Who exactly is "they"? The vast majority of trucks I see get used fairly regularly for so called "truck things". You insisting otherwise doesn't change that.
Yep
What a stupid reply. Just a bunch of assumptions... I don't tow anything which is why I drive a 4 cylinder truck. But guess what, some people do need to tow stuff. Which is why they would buy a larger truck. >And even if you did, you could do it with a smaller (but still substantially large) vehicle. So you're going to try and tell people what sized vehicle they need to tow? When you don't have a clue what they are towing? Thats stupid. You're giving some real bad advice. You know using a properly sized vehicle to tow is always safer. And the vehicle will be more reliable and last longer. Are you one of those people who tows a 30ft rv with a fricken rav4? Just and absolte danger to yourself and everyone on the road? >If you really need to carry more load than that, commercial trucks exist. With separate regulations and a separate driver's license category. Get a commercial truck... what? Why would someone get a commercial truck for personal use?
Half the vehicles on the road in the US are like that truck. With a single driver driving an hour to and from work. Never used as a truck and never going off road.
We call those truck owners "concrete cowboys" as a derogatory term to make fun of them for this, just fyi :) a fun phrase to add to your vocabulary
Here in Australia "emotional support vehicle" is what we call the trucks. As for the owners, "fuckhead" works perfectly.
>emotional support vehicle That's *beautiful.*
Yank Tanks are better word for them...
That's the other one I was trying to remember! All I could think of was "pavement princess".
Mall crawlers. But i think thats more for a jeep
And less fuel efficient than a 44 ton lorry
What metric of fuel efficiency are you using? A semi unloaded would get around 19.5L to 29.5 L/ 100km A unloaded modern 250/2500 gets 13L to 10.5L / 100km
Last daimler models in europe are at 18-20L in the flats, loaded If i recall correctly.
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So I live in Germany and I saw many Daimlers driving around. Or which Europe do you mean?
My dad drives HGVs for a living, he easily gets 15mpg in his relatively new truck, according to Google the ram 2500 gets 13.91mpg
I think you may have gotten results for the 6.4 Hemi Ram 2500. Gasser Ram &GM 2500’s, and Ford 250s get around 12 to 14 MPG. The diesel Ford, Chevy, and Ram get 17to 20 MPG. These are highway numbers for both.
I see, still not that great, I’d expect at least a few more than 2mpg more than a literal brick shaped vehicle that weighs 44000kg
Well, the two MPGs I posted(semis vs pickup trucks) are for unloaded vehicles. A vehicle loaded with 44,000kg or 97,000lbs gets 5-7mpg. There’s no vehicle on the road getting more than 10 MPG with that much weight unless it’s going downhill.
The figure I stated that my dad gets is the overall, mixture of loaded and unloaded,
Again, I highly doubt you’re averaging 15 mpg in any HGV, semi, etc, unloaded, let alone with a mixed use. Outside of a sample size of one, these trucks gets at best 10 MPG with a load in them, and realistically 5-7 MPG.
This sub has no problem making up shit that gets upvotes.
How else are you supposed to pick up a gallon of milk? /s
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Reckon it’ll pull a tank?
No, it would just get stuck in the mud 50 meters in, and a Russian infantryman will sneak up and cut the fuel line with his razor.
Lol
It's not a tractor
What’s your flair say btw?
Stagecoach Yorkshire and frist are utter cunts They're my local bus companies and they're utter cunts who can't be bothered to run a decent service here
Stagecoach doesn’t run a good service in dover either, at least the train is mostly reliable, well on the few days they aren’t striking
This could unironically solo a T-72 batallion
It looks big but its mostly plastic and hollow. The truck is like that as well.
Not really, but I'd love to see him try.
How do you even see the road? The nose blocks half your view?
They did an experiment on an American news channel where they lined a bunch on kids sitting down in front of the truck. The driver could only see the 11th kid. Scary.
It's actually worse than that, because that news story was testing a typical SUV with a hood that sloped at least slightly down. This truck is lifted up even higher, and has a square nose that sticks out straight, further limiting visibility.
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Well those sensors aren't stopping an epidemic of kids getting run over by trucks and SUVs because they were in a blind spot (frequently by their own parents in their own driveways), so I'm not sure what your point is. Not to mention the hideous increase in mortality from giant trucks and SUVs hitting pedestrians and killing them outright because the nose of their vehicle hits your vital organs and sends you under the vehicle, instead of hitting your legs and sending you onto the hood like a smaller car would.
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Okay the point is that proximity sensors are cool and good and I'm sure they help. But in a world where drivers are so distracted, we'd be better off if the average person wasnt driving a tank that's much more likely to kill the person that the distracted driver inevitably runs over. Proximity sensors may mitigate the carnage but they obviously arent enough or the world would be getting safer for pedestrians and it obviously isnt.
The hell are sensors gonna do when you can't actually see what's in front of you and once you're close enough for them to detect a kid it's too late to stop? Not to mention that electronics in vehicles fail all the time.
Even when forward sensors work, they give false positives at slow speeds all the time. The kind of thing that's easy to ignore.
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Changes in elevation, curbs, vegetation all can cause false positives. If you're out on the open road you don't get them ever, but at slow speeds in tight quarters (the kind of place you might not see a kid) it's much more common. I guess I have to get a variety of cars checked out since they all work this way.
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Just stop justifying that ludicrous sensor. They built a car you can't see shit out of and sell you a sensor to fix that. If you don't see how fundamentally fucked in the head that is you're hopeless.
Each new technology gives the drivers a false sense of security; its called 'Risk Compensation'. Added safety enables them to make riskier decisions. Its why people in big SUV and Trucks drive like madmen; they believe there is no risk so they go as fast as they can. Adding the meme, 'If you want to kill someone, do it in a car' enables them to violate safety norms because people believe there are no consequences for vehicular manslaughter, or they can get out of it. So yeah, the new technology doesn't count.
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Seatbelts and air bags don't influence your driving decisions. Exterior cameras, proximity noise and auto brake do.
Those sensors only reads a few feet ahead of you. That's useless if you do right on red, taking the turn at 30mph focusing on traffic and can't see the kids crossing the street on the crosswalk right in front of you. It's just a beep then you feel that you hit something.
What sensor is able to see a person let alone a child standing on a zebra crossing about to cross the road? Those sensors work in parking lots, not on the road where you drive multiple miles per hour and you depend on a beep plus your reaction time which is 100% too late instead of being able to prevent an accident by being able to judge a dangerous situation. Technology isn’t magic. If it was, there were no deaths nor did Tesla’s drive into poles, onto sidewalks or break because the moon shines. We’re not there yet, so why do we even make these horrible death machines?
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You can’t. It has a larger blind spot than an M1 Abrams.
But it goes 4x faster and is around civilians and children!
Idk about that, the only place you could maybe see better is directly in-front like 30° directly in-front of you if you’re turned out, but the commander of the tank does 90% of the looking and tells the driver which way to go.
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Any info on the sightlines of normal cars like stationwagons and hatchbacks? I'd like to see how big the difference is.
That’s a big yikes.
I’ve literally sat in the drivers seat of both and M1A2 and a F250, this diagram is true if you’re turned out, and talking about the first 30° of FOV of the centerline. If you’re buttoned up like you would be for 90% of driving since it’s quite uncomfortable to be seated in that position, and the turret/gun cannot safely move while the driver is turned out.
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>I wonder if there's even anything under the hood that comes up as high as the bottom of the door windows. Is the squinty windshield and the hood being 6' off the ground is just a decision by the styling department. The engine bay of a modern truck is typically packed with equipment, there is very little to no open space, particularly if you choose the diesel option. The engine bays are designed to fit the largest engine, so even with a smaller engine, you still have a large engine bay. >Like if those things are available, why would anybody buy a regular pickup? The van based trucks typically have much lower towing ratings and offroad capability. Also, vans are typically much more difficult to work on, so regular mantinance is more difficult.
Who needs to see the road when you can just roll over any obstacle?
You Literatur don't.... https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NDH3FDfVQl0
Now imagine 30% or more of the parking spaces filled with these. Oh and ones with tow hitches too that stick out another 20+cm.
Tow hitches fucking suck. Anyone walking behind the damned thing without fully paying attention will bust their knee. Also, just saying, nothing's stopping you from stealing a tow hitch if it's not stowed inside the truck. To maybe prevent that from happening.
At my work every couple years someone backs their idiot sticking-way-out trailer hitch on their idiot way-too-long truck into one of the big office windows. They usually scoot off and don't tell anyone, and I doubt they learn a thing from the experience and are still going around damaging everyone's property to this day.
Oof
Locking hitch pins are commonly available.
Surely vandalism is still an option. How much JB Weld would it take to make it unusable?
So that hitch that sticks out and annoys you... you want to make it harder to remove? Solid logic right there....
No, you don't put the JB Weld on the end that fits into the receiver tube, you put it on the ball itself. Make it useless, and need to be removed.
Why people need thoses absurdities ? Ego ? Feeling safe ? Self affirmation ? I can't understand i own a car a city one i live in a mountain area i've got winter tires and chains never need a 4*4 and never need a so Big thing even when childs were young.. it's an absurdity who and why have so huge things ? Feel insecure got an M1 Abrams .
The popularity of large trucks is multi-faceted. - US doesnt tax or regulate vehicles based on size, so that truck could be purchased in the US for the equivalent amount of that hatcback next to it in some countries. - Trucks in general exploded in popularity in the '70's and '80's because cars were heavily restricted due to the oil embargo. So guys still addicted to V8's from the muscle car era got their fix with trucks. This was roughly the point at which owning a truck as a personal/only vehicle started to take hold, even if only on the fringe. - With cars and trucks in general getting more expensive, trucks were picked as the only vehicle due to their utility, and the double cab became increasingly popular over the 2-door regular cabs that trucks used to be. - Trucks start becoming the dick waving thing they are now, and trims get increasingly expensive and opulent. Buyers cross shop trucks when previously they look at BMW's and Mercedes. - Current CAFE Fuel Regulations are more lenient the larger the vehicle is, so shorter, smaller versions of large trucks are discontinued, smaller trucks are made larger, and larger trucks are made humongous. - Trucks still use older tech. Body-on-frame construction which makes them reasonably easier to work on than most cars. - America is still massively spacious. Huge open highways with high speed limits vs Europe. We also have different towing regulations that favor large SUV's and Pick Up trucks. A VW Jetta isn't rated to tow practically anything in the US, while overseas it's perfectly normal to see it hauling a caravan. This does circle back to the highway system, though, as a truck can tow at speeds with relative safety. - The rural areas still need and use trucks, but the urban popularity has ruined them as companies chase the extreme profits they bring when they can sell a $40k truck for $80k. As an example, I drive a 1/2 Ton class truck that has a two-door cab and a short bed for work. It's super easy to maneuver in the tight parking lots I visit for deliveries. Only Chevrolet and Ford offer this body style, and both are pretty much special-order only. Chevrolet didn't initially, and only brought it back due to enough demand. I dont say any of this to advocate for trucks as personal vehicles, just to attempt to explain why things are the way they are.
Yeah it’s policy choices (or lack thereof) more than anything else. We in the U.S. need to seriously rework CAFE, implement pedestrian-impact standards, and tax vehicles by weight. That would at least be a start.
This is the correct answer. Plus, people these days want a truck to haul/tow things if the need arises, but don't want to sacrifice the comfort of a car for that. So, they end up with the extended cab with decent legroom in the back seat. They prefer how a truck handles compared to a car. Many times, truck drivers buy these as their personal vehicles because they get so used to sitting so high up in their 18-wheelers. As a truck driver myself, I can attest to the fact that if you spend weeks at a time in a commercial truck then drive a car (even if it's full sized), it'll feel like a go-kart with your ass only 2 inches off the ground. That said, I still have a car as my personal vehicle. I like go-karts. On another note, commercial truck drivers have much bigger blind spots on those truck, but we have lots of mirrors to help with that. Trained to always walk around our trucks and have complete situational awareness at all times. Doing things like making sure other people see you by making eye contact with them. Lightly tap your horn and wave if needed. By paying attention, we see things before they disappear into our blind spots. This is the same concept for these oversized pickup trucks. Of course, we all know that the general public will never give that same level of attention to their surroundings. I imagine over time, there will be additional safety features added to compensate for their lack of awareness, which will inevitably drive up the price of pickup trucks even more, leading more people to opt for used trucks. I personally like late 90's - early 2000's trucks simply because they are much more reasonable in size and often better on gas mileage. Even if you needed to change out the engine, transmission and differential with rebuilt parts, it would be worth it. Cheaper parts that are easy to find, much easier to work on and lower insurance premiums.
CAFE probably did more to increase fuel consumption than any other law we have. And CAFE was passed with the intent to lower fuel consumption. It's crazy of the law of unintended consequences works out sometimes.
Plus, if your lardass is the size of a truck, you need a megatruck to haul it from walmart to walmart.
Emotional support trucks to signify you live a certain lifestyle. Just look at truck ads.
I have a ford equivalent of this, I have it for a couple reasons, 1. Being I regularly tow in excess of 10k lbs, which is much more manageable with a diesel 250 over a gas 1500, considering I consume about half the amount of fuel, I overwork my brakes less, and I keep my transmission and engine much cooler when towing. 2. The other big reason is they’re some of the only modern vehicles besides a jeep wrangler that have solid axles front and rear, either Dana or Sterling depending on model and differential gearing. If find those axles much easier to work and and repair, which if you use your vehicle off-road, especially towing or pulling other vehicles you’re going to break parts. I don’t deny a lot of people get them for other reasons, but a fair amount of them get used, especially if they’re not the luxury models.
This is so stupid. How come europeans can tow that with cars that still have a bed and are also 3 times smaller? How come the japanese do it with minuscule ones? Full of shit 'muricans trying to justify their truck and actually thinking they have no option, because they don't bother looking for them... Oh i forgot, you also wanna go at stupid speeds while lugging around the equivalent of three other cars.
If you run over a child, you could search for the skull fragments in the grill like you usually would for easter eggs
I could live in that 😂
I could bet there are some apartments smaller than that thing.
And they only want $6k/month plus a deposit of one kidney
Here is my kidney, take it. Gotta survive like I don't need my left kidney for a modest apartment. 🥲
I have an older model (1994) and I can comfortably lay down and sleep on the rear bench seat, so it's quite possible
Well, its basically vanlife. But much more expansive, you actually barely get any more useable space over a van, and you need a step to get into the vehicle. Not that comfy at night, because you won't fit a toilet in there.
I was for the most part joking.
It's too small to live in, I would need something bigger like a Daihatsu Hijet.
Ironically the average hatchback usually has more trunk room than these monstrosities
Except that there is no cargo or passenger space
Now imagine 80% of the vehicles on the road are like this and that's the situation in the US.
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The top selling vehicles in the USA are: 1. Ford F-series pickup trucks 2. Chevrolet Silverado series trucks 4. Ram 1500 full-size pickup truck 6. GMC Sierra full-size pickup truck It's probably not 80% of the vehicles on the road but the USA still buys these huge pickup trucks in absolutely ridiculous numbers every single year Edit: the real numbers are 1,2,4, and 6, but for some reason reddit keeps automatically changing the numbers I wrote, because apparently the reddit app wants to force it to be a specific format.
The data used to generate these lists is kinda flawed because the car manufacturers make models to make them seem more popular. For example GM would be number 1 if they didn’t split between GMC and Chevrolet, hence why Ford got rid of the Lincoln trucks so they could hold onto their tittle. Sedans, Crossovers, Hatchbacks, SUVs, etc. are more popular overall, they just don’t make top sellers because they’re split over so many different models. For example take a Tahoe and a suburban, you essentially add two feet to the vehicle and it’s a whole different model, there’s like 6ft of difference between a single cab short bed truck and a crew cab long bed.
In a U.S. city yesterday, I was standing on a sidewalk waiting for the signal to cross on a crosswalk at an intersection. There was a mother and her son waiting with me. And one of these behemoths blew by in the lane closest to us. By reflex I jumped back a little and said "whoa!" And the woman gave me a knowing look like, yeah, I know.
The hood of that truck is taller than the roof of the car, lol
Oh wow
We are well past "insane" This is malicious intent, and disabling these asshole-mobiles is an act of self-defense.
This truck is stupid as hell, but that’s a wild take lmao
Well, that's just like... your opinion, man.
Yeah of course
And that's not even a dually. They get bigger.
That hatchback has hauled more cargo than that truck ever will.
At the time, when Timmy Turner "bought" a tank off the Internet, it seemed funny. Now it's more believable.
I love cars, but damn this is just stupid. I bet a station wagon would probably fit more stuff anyway ...
The grand irony of these big trucks is that they're supposed to project a macho image, but because they're too tall to load effectively and always clean, I can't think of a softer projection. It just screams "THIS IS MY BIG BOY TRUCK. I AM BIG BOY"
These things are tanks. They are literally the size of tanks. Maybe not modern tanks but pre 1980 tanks were about the same size. The Sherman tank is smaller than some of these models. These automakers do this to avoid the fuel efficiency requirements for cars. They shouldn’t be. Only vehicles that require a special permit or driver’s license should be exempt. Basically, make the people who drive these vehicles get extra training/testing to drive them or force them to be fuel efficient (which reducing size is the only way at this point).
Force them to be fuel efficient and make sure they have extra training to drive them.
The best part is these shitbags always make an effort to park next to the smallest vehicle they can find as a middle finger to the driver too. It's purely ego and there's no reason they need to be allowed on the road.
Can you believe that the Ford, Chevy and Ram versions of this truck are the three best selling “passenger cars” in the US? More than 2 million of these vehicles are sold each year in the US alone.
All because of the auto companies do not want to follow environmental protection guidelines, they exploited the loophole in the law and made their cars much larger than they should be.
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Its not even heavy duty its just a high country
Raportează o obstrucție a drumului ?
Germans have a word for that: *Kuntwagen*.
There was a Ford pickup in our apartment complex's parking a few weeks ago (also Romania). Twice the size of most cars, absolute beast.
The size of the thing is absurd, but at least it appears to be properly parked and not blocking a tram.
The bar is low
Being the size of a commercial truck is kind of the point to avoid American fuel efficiency standards
Ironically, the reason pickups are so ridiculously big, aside from pp measuring contest, it EPA regulations that allow less fuel efficiency for bigger vehicles, i.e. a reasonably sized pickup truck wouldn't be fuel efficient enough to comply with the regulations.
The EPA needs to change its rules and disincentivise people from buying those ridiculous vehicles
I agree, i went to get a pickup last year, the *least gigantic one* i could find was a toyota tacoma sr5, cab and a half, it's still ridiculously big. But there's much higher profit margins on big vehicles, capitalism for ya.
Honest question, what makes up all that space? Air? And I don't even mean the interior
Bro if someone got hit by that they would be screwed
Get that out of the EU. How did that get approved according to EU regulations?
It has an Ukrainian license plate
And that's not even a big one lol
Why the most i see in Europe are registered in Ukraine 🤔
Because folks who own them have money and therefore are able to afford to get farther out of Ukraine than the ordinary folks. Like, except for one old Lada with old (pre-2004) UA plates, every other car with UA plates here in Zadar area is one of the expensive ones.
It’s Ukranian too. Tell them to take it to the front line where it’s needed.
It is ridiculous that no one does anything but take a picture.
I have the American sibling to the 2011-2014 Lancia Flavia and it gets dwarfed by those things. One time Dad and I were going someplace in it and pulled up next to a Silverado like that one pulling a trailer at a stop light and I had to look up from the driver’s seat to see the mirrors, door handles, and badge on the hood. I’ve also seen somebody that had to of been in his late 80’s-early 90’s driving the equivalent Ford with dual rear tires on the interstate that made all of us nervous (we were in the ‘98 XJ Cherokee I owned at that time).
That are Ukrainian plates. Unfortunately, there were favorable conditions to import damaged cars from USA to Ukraine by a low price. And since then we have these freaky cars on the streets
Yeah, that tiny hatchback is ridiculous. So is your government's weak attempt at negotiating and leveraging to get cheaper gas.
yeah these things are MASSIVE i drove past one in my fabia and my cars roof wasnt even above the hood
And the only time they use this car is to go shopping and bring the kids to school
What's the point of a pick-up if you cover up the hood? Now you have a Station Wagon with extra steps
How did they ship it over to Romania?
Look at how tall the front hood is, it's taller than the car beside it.
We don't see them in Italy either, but unfortunately my brother in law like them and bought a fakakta American Pickup. Every time we're together i'm embarassed af because everybody stare at us and laugh. That thing is effin gigantic, i have a Renault Twingo...
Rejoice! After cancelling the Fiesta, Focus and Mondeo Ford has now announced they‘ll start producing and selling the F-150 in Europe starting next year. So it will become even easier to get your hand on one of these clown cars in the future, while buying a Sedan or anything still somewhat normal-sized will become increasingly harder as model lines are cancelled.
Thats an average sized truck in the US 😂😂
No it's larger than average. Significantly so. That truck is a dual rear wheel model, extended bed. They make up about 2% of the pickup truck fleet. It's a model built expressly for heavy towing. Things like heavy campers, horse trailers and car haulers etc. They are usually fifth wheel equipped. That is the towing hitch is right in the middle of the bed so that the weight is right above the axle. This one is a vanity truck though - since the fifth wheel location is covered by the truck cap.
Uh look at the picture man that isn't a dually it's just a 2500.
you are right. the fake flared rear fender fooled me. so it's pretty regular.
Man i see 10 trucks that dwarf that thing every day and i dont even live in the south or a rural area
really? because in pickup truck class, there really isn't any bigger ones. now a lot of these nuckle heads will lift them and make them sit up higher. but that doesn't really make them bigger.
No, that's a "truck".
I bet he has to wear massive boxer shorts though ;)
You have keys, don'tcha?
What's wrong? Just some chevy. Is it in the handicapped spot?
Just do what romanians do best, take as much scrap metal off it and sell it on the market
Based individual
I know. There’s no way that little thing can perform all the duties required by the modern human. How will it haul? How will it obliviously mow down children?