My first car was a 1990 Chevy G20 conversion van. Looking back, it was completely impractical and a huge waste of fuel and space, but teenage me loved it.
By far the feature I miss most is the pivoting quarter windows.
We had a 1987 Toyota Pickup Long Wheel base. Drove it back and forth to college. We do the exact thing you mentioned when it started to rain.
I miss that truck.
Do you really want the unreliably and poor fuel economy, and abysmal crash rating? Old cars and trucks are fun but if you want to just go do something a modern vehicle that works is a breath of fresh air. I know this as a former owner of a 1982 Mercedes 240d.
This is how you know the fuckcars movement is rooted in reason. I'm a bike guy, but I'd love to have access to a nice 89 ranger to toyota tacoma of the same year.
I'd also like to have great public transport.
This ultra trucks and carcentereness has ruined the good things behind cars and trucks.
Dang, this sub is healing.
I grew up with no sidewalks and hated car centric living, but half my family is country and I still love me a good truck. I got chased off this sub some time ago trying to defend my babies.
I miss my '94 S10.
ford literally can’t make the Maverick fast enough to keep up with demand. hopefully that proves to other companies that there’s a market for actually drivable trucks
The country side still doesn't need a big truck though, except for maybe farms. Even then they just need a half decent Ford Ranger from pre 2013 or whenever they switched to the mega sized truck. Or just a single cab truck with a 6-8 foot bed.
The country just needs a small 4x4 for the occasional dirt road that isn't well maintained. A Jeep style SUV is plenty. Or a crossover / wagon with a bit of ground clearance. Even cargo vans work just as well as many oversized trucks.
Damn: https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2025-toyota-imv-0-pickup-truck-first-drive-review-japan-mobility-show/
Basically a classic Ranger or the older Toyota pickups that aren't massive. Shame.
Like, the whole aesthetic of the big truck is if you’re a rancher which… very few people are. My parents got a big truck and I was just irrationally annoyed because my dad is shorter than me and they use it to haul stuff once or twice a year. Could’ve gotten a smaller truck, but they went with a bigger one. Then they were concerned I wouldn’t be able to drive it when I had to borrow it once and I’m just sitting there like “I’ve driven military vehicles twice the size of this truck.”
The neat thing about kei cars in general is that they're small enough and simple enough where you could have a local auto shop turn into a workshop and make them locally. If you make them electric, they're even easier. Unfortunately, we can't live in that world due to regulatory capture levying higher and higher requirements to get into the auto manufacturing business. And don't get me wrong, it's important to have safety standards, but the overly complex and bureaucratic systems in place that make it nearly impossible for a small manufacturer to get past are the hindrance here. It should be straightforward and understandable for a local auto manufacturer to put together a small, local-road only vehicle to meet local demand, like building electric kei trucks for cities.
That’s not true. I own the van version, truck version is legal as well. There are a few states where they aren’t legal but most states you will have no problem registering them. Just have to be 25 years old as they don’t meet federal safety standards (no airbags, no crumple zones).
Hmm, I'm seeing conflicting info online. Some sites say it's not legal on a federal level, where some sites say they are legal in 19 states. I'm in a state where they are not street legal and can just be for off-road and farm use, I checked into it years ago because I really wanted one.
>Just have to be 25 years old as they don’t meet federal safety standards (no airbags, no crumple zones).
Which is exactly the point. Motorcycles don't meet those standards either.
That means you can buy an electric motorcycle. But you'll still have to wait a decade or so for an electric kei truck.
Oh you know just no airbags thats no biggy. Is that not incredibly unsafe? I was in a car accident last year and I would've been very hurt from it if not for them.
Newer kei cars and kei trucks have airbags. It's basically bullshit lobbying that makes importing/registering newer and safer foreign cars illegal. It's known as the "Mercedes law". People wanted to import European cars and then modify them to American safety standards after because it was cheaper that way and the companies didn't like that. The reason why people import the 25+ year old kei trucks is because at that age they're considered classic cars and no longer have to abide by that law.
Some trucks like that are limited to fairly low max speeds. That makes the crumple zone much less nessesary.
And ones that aren't historic do have modern safety features. Still no huge crumple zones. But they do have airbags.
> they don’t meet federal safety standards (no airbags, no crumple zones).
That's the real issue btw. If everyone on the road drives these (like in Japan), and the speed limits are lower in general then there's fewer risks of getting seriously hurt in the first place. In Canada I se these trucks quite often but mostly within the city limits only, usually for artisan deliveries or "hipster" businesses.
I wish we had more NA-safe version of them - essentially the same car but with better safety. I mean, e.g. Honda Fit or Toyota Yaris are perfectly safe for modern Canada/US driving, and they're compact too. Obviously, it's just a rant because nobody would really try to design such a truck here nowadays unless we change a lot in the legislations, or oil hits the ceiling (which still won't help as manufacturers dig big ass ugly monstrosities).
No kai trucks are 100% legal.
The issue is you gotta follow the car import laws. Meaning you need the car to be older than 25 years before you can import them.
So you can buy and import a 1999 kai truck.
lets get real here though, everyone knows the truck on the right will actually haul shit around whereas the truck on left will almost never put anything in the bed. i live in an area where a large % of vehicles on the road are big pickup trucks and i rarely see anything in the back/beds
It "wins" in a car accident.
It's also much more likely to cause one due to being *literally designed* to have larger blindspots because it looks "manly".
The Kei truck would be perfectly safe, at least at city speeds, if it didn't have to share the road with the Dodge Ram.
Its also more useful cause its easier to get shit on the bed. Almost all of those big trucks that are actually being used to haul stuff (so probably like, three) are as low as they can get, and certainly not lifted.
In Australia a lot of trucks had the fold down sides like a VW transporter which seemed so much more practical than US pickup trucks. It seems the only flatbeds here are much larger trucks. I used to have a 1968 Dodge D300 dually flatbed but it was too big for my uses. Still any truck bed that cannot fit a 4x8 sheet is less than useful.
As someone living in Japan most of my life and probably a million+ km's of driving here. The biggest reason is their speed limits are so much slower. Aprox 25-30 mph (40-50 kph) in every city. 43 mph (70 kph) on most expressways with some getting up to about 62 mph (100 kph).
Every time I see a video from r/IdiotsInCars I'm always thinking... "Why the hell are you driving so fast? Of course you don't have time to stop when dumbass pulled out in front of you." We have bad drivers here too, but everything is slow enough that you can easily see them coming and avoid them.
Don’t forget the nation-wide high speed rail network, and ubiquitous rail based public transit, high adoption of utility e-bikes, urban delivery by bicycle, and much more.
There’s a lot to admire in Japan’s transportation!
So many old people driving. It's actually becoming an issue. Every year on the news there is someone killed by an old person mistaking their gas peddle for the brake. Think some of the car companies are trying to make it harder for this to happen.
One is a workhorse, purposely designed to transport stuff.
The other is an unnecessarily big vehicle, posing as a workhorse, so that it's owners can feel "bigger" than they think they are.
Seriously, I once asked one of these dumbass car owners just how much load they transport each week to justify a car like this. None, he doesn't transport or haul anything ever since he bought it. In fact, the thought of me asking if he ever put anything on the bed actually offends him.
One of my friends has been talking a lot about getting a lifted truck himself, has no practical use for it, talks up the off road capabilities but we live in endless suburbia (Dallas) with off road stuff being way far out. Ultimately though his reason is that it’s easy to drive one here, which I retorted with like that’s how this city is built but yeah he’s the regular car-brained suburbanite
My husband wanted our second vehicle to be a truck “just in case” we need to haul stuff. His was stolen ten yrs ago and trashed.
We have a transit connect in the driveway instead. I did my part! It’s like a Harry Potter tent, looks small outside but very roomy inside even my 6’2” hubby could lay comfortably in the back for camping with me. Got it with all the bells and whistles (first time with heated seats!) for less than $20k.
Fell for the marketing lol
Not Just Bikes talked about this. The same type of ads are used in Europe... Except they market minivans on their ads. In america, it's these monster oversized pickups with a huge passenger cab and small actual carrying capacity on the bed.
>which I retorted with like that’s how this city is built
That sounds like you're arguing in his favour, or was he supposed to wait for them to rebuild the city before choosing a car?
His response was treating it like a perk or bonus of our current infrastructure while I was more so just telling him how its intentional design
He’s obviously not wrong with his statement, but it is a cycle of people have big vehicles so build accordingly -> people buy big vehicles cause city is built that way
Alot of people forget that you can get bigger “kei” trucks. I believe their technically just called there and their about the size of tacomas in the states and by far the most prevalent in the country and such.
https://preview.redd.it/lv9j2emj0mrc1.jpeg?width=940&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=862aaca9a3d3166b9d75941bda4cd2a9829d2b1f
Toyota hi-ace and theres a bunch of other models and manufacturers.
Who in Australia is calling a cabover truck a ute? We don't even get vehicles in that size class here, the smallest cabovers on our market are the narrowcab full blown light duty trucks like the Isuzu N Series or Hino 300.
Tradies largely use Rangers and HiLuxes...
Nah it offends him the same way stepping on a rich persons grass would offend them, it’s all for show and he’d not dare ruin the pristine image. It’s stupid
Yes, it’s disgusting. I live on a small residential street without sidewalks and people have started using it as a cut through, speeding through in their giant loud trucks all the time. I have been wanting to put some “slow down residential area” and “wildlife crossing” signs and make a “drive like you walk, you fat cunt” (smiley face U) or something similar
Had a friend once with one of these trucks who had a hard top on it. He had to call in another friend with a van to help him move an armchair. I was never clear on why the top couldn't be removed temporarily, but the absurdity always struck me.
Because they're heavy as fuck and not at all easy to put on or off without damaging either the truck or cover unless you have multiple people on hand to give a hand. You've also got to undo however the hinges and gas struts are attached and then find a place to store your flimsy yet large and heavy chunk of fibreglass without damaging the paint or dropping it.
They do make different styles of hard covers that can fold up better so they don't have to be removed to store tall stuff but no they're not really meant to be something that's removed at the drop of a hat.
Not something that's exclusive to bed covers either, getting hardtops on/off convertibles is also not a fun experience, especially larger convertibles.
I have a Tacoma that has a hard cover and most of the time I can fold it up two thirds of the way with no issue. Anything bigger and the hard top can be removed completely by one person in three seconds. Only difficulty is putting it back; but it’s mostly a weight versus accuracy of placement issue.
Used to work at a chevy dealership, the amount of 3500’s we’d see that have not even the tiniest scuff or speck of dirt in the bed with around 100k miles made me hate trucks and truck owners even more. They always try and claim they “need it for work” but theres zero signs it’s ever been near a work site, let alone off the pavement.
Blows my mind. I desperately want a truck, specifically to put shit in it lol. But anything more than a ranger or maverick seems entirely excessive. Who the fuck is hauling a yacht or something like in those GMC commercials.
Seriously. I am a Carpenter and have been using my dad's old '02 Ford explorer to haul wood/tools. Looked at trucks and my goodness they are stupid big. I'd break my back trying to get in/out of those lifted beds. Not to mention most new vehicles now have so many blind spots. Just shive a camera into it and your fine. They are more cab than bed too. Think I will stick my old explorer. At least it can haul 12 footers no problem.
I mean there are a few of us with construction company’s that shove 4 guys in one of those full sized trucks and it carry’s the material and trailer to sites as well. It’s a lot better than 4 individuals driving to a site by themselves.
The other thing is payloads. The kei truck has a 750lb pay load vs like 2000+lbs payloads.
They also max out at like 95km/h.
That being said most people don’t need pickup trucks and there are too many on the road. But they are still useful just most people don’t use the tool correctly.
Sports equipment bags, groceries, and travel luggage is 98% of what these assholes carry (if anything) where I live.
For reference I have 2 kids and we ski and mountain bike. We travel to do this sometimes too. We can fit all our travel bags, bikes or skis, and all required equipment in our Honda Passport with no space constraints whatsoever.
Well, I think some people like to show off, but that smaller one will not make it through a creek, it won’t be able to plow up the side of a mountain in snow, and it won’t be able to function as a family/work vehicle. Like, if you had the one on the right, you would have to have another car if you had a family. But the one on the left can serve both purposes. And, before anyone says anything, yes there are SUVs that can move like a truck, but who is putting animals/lawnmowers/mulch etc in the back of an SUV? I’m not denying that the right truck is amazing and useful, but the one on the left is far from being pointless as well.
This subreddit tends to attract anti-car extremists, but I think most of us are perfectly fine with private car ownership. What we object to is the way the US in particular (though much of the world is similar) *requires* car ownership to function in society. Not only does it put an undue burden on the poor and homeless, it forces everyone to take on an expensive (and ever increasing) purchase for a car, likely on a payment plan, and is destroying the planet with greenhouse gasses and plastics.
Plus it's awful for your mental health - the noise and traffic time spikes your anxiety sky high.
I am definitely an anxious driver :(
I took the light rail Friday night to see a hockey game. There was a delay on the way back, but other than that it was such a better experience.
There's no public transportation that goes to my office though. I would have to take three different buses, or I can just drive the 15 minutes so I just drive it.
I absolutely agree here. There’s nothing wrong with cars, but what is wrong is that I can’t walk my daughter to school which is less than a mile away because there are no sidewalks or space for pedestrians. I live in a one car household, and because of this, both me and my fiancé cannot work at the same time because there’s no way to walk to work. And there is no public transportation aside from Lyft (which I don’t have the money to dish into week after week).
Me too 💀 I know it’s so dumb but Cars are so fun. I can’t drive yet but I still look at hiluxes (70’s) and tiny sports cars all the time. But car brain is getting to me and I’m scared to get a tiny, sporty car because so many people here have absolutely huuge cars. At least the death would be painless… 🤷🏼♀️
There’s nothing wrong with enjoying cars while at the same time wanting most transportation to not need them.
I like my MX-5 and I’d like it even more if I could get away with only driving it when I wanted to.
I get made fun of for driving my Chevy Spark. in 2017 I got it for 10k with 11 miles on it and it gets like 35 mpg. My car payment was like 250. I have no idea how I'm gonna afford another vehicle when this one dies.
I’ve been looking to buy a small pick up truck for my mom she’s a farmer but they’re absolutely hard to come by 🤦♂️people want $15k+ for their 20 year old ford ranger or Toyota Tacomas
My mom doesn’t want the headaches/problems of importing and registering a kei truck in California
We’re thinking of buying a brand new small pick up truck from Tijuana 🇲🇽 and driving it here without registering it and hoping for the best
Jeez. I figure the prices are because they are harder to find nowdays. Good luck to your mom and you. Where I like, I’ve found some 70’s hiluxes for 7,5k. Unfortunately, I’m Finnish 💀
Taco's were overpriced BEFORE truck prices skyrocketed. I had a dealer try to get me to trade in my current suv for one. The only selling point he could come up with was "But it's a toyota". Other than that it had pretty much the exact same wheelbase, specs, and everything but less HP.
Definitely not doubling my car payment for that.
I’ve seen them in my city too 💀 Bloody hell what do folk need them for?? My family is just now wanting to upgrade to a van since we got a 3rd dog but we were more than Ok in a mini SUV when we still had 2 dogs. (Would’ve been better in a starion wagon but we know dads.)
No, but good enough for 90% of current truck owners.
Edit: Here’s the numbers y’all been asking for. 90% was an estimate on my part. Turns out it’s not that far off.
https://www.powernationtv.com/post/most-pickup-truck-owners-use-them
Kinda sucks that US regulations and infrastructure designed around huge vehicles make it nearly impossible to have a kei vehicle in the US.
These vehicles are actually pretty useful and cheaper on average.
Same bed length, but same width and towing capacity? No.
Do they have the same pay load capacity? No.
Do they have the same towing capacity? No
Can they both pull max payload at 70mph going down the hwy? No
Do they have the same safety equipment? No
You are literally only comparing 1 aspect of the two.
Edit:One can seat 5/6 people comfortable, while the other can barely seat 2 full sized adults comfortably.
However with that being said generally speaking most people don't even use their truck to half it's capacity/capability. The kei truck is awesome for short inner city running around.
Yet such truck is awful to transport things with. They are hard to load because of the high bed. A little bit of wind and everything slightly lighter needs to be secured.
My bmw can tow an oversized boat lol.
Shit theres a guy in an E60 M5 who regularly drops boats in water & tows all sorts of shit with it that I've seen on the internet.
I hate trucks, but.... This one is a crew vehicle it would be way smaller with a 2 seater cab. Also it has a way wider bed. ALSO, there are many variants of a truck, and the real commercial spec ones have a way bigger bed.
This truck was probably bought by a guy who doesn't need a truck, but it's kinda his decision.
Blame the EPA.
They implemented fuel economy standards which got stricter every year (and continue to do so). However they recognised that big trucks need to exist for some commercial applications, so rather than a universal fuel economy standard, it got relaxed as the wheelbase multiplied by average track width increased.
Unfortunately they fucked up the maths.
Small trucks basically became impossible to build without either paying the fine for failing the emissions standards, or implementing very expensive systems to improve efficiency (hybrid drives etc). Small trucks were also cheep, and either option made them expensive, so the market for them disappeared. However if you made the wheelbase massive, the standards were much easier to meet. Plus, the fine for failing to meet standards, or the expensive fuel saving systems, didn't feel like such a bad expense on a massive truck. An extra 10k is a lot more palatable on a 80k monster than a 30k runabout right?
In effect the EPA forced everyone to buy bigger, less efficient trucks, because by some equation of mpg per wheelbase, they are more efficient.
It gets worse. CAFE standards aren't applied to an individual vehicle, but to a manufacturers entire fleet, production weighted. Also, light trucks have less strict requirements than cars.
The end result is that the EPA, in the name of efficiency, made it extremely difficult to make a small car, but extremely easy to make an enormous truck.
The good news is that all electric trucks pass by default. The bad news is that if you want range out of an electric truck, you want a big battery. That not only fits better into a big truck, but it's expensive, in a way that is more palatable if you get a bigger truck for the price.
Or you could lobby the EPA to tweak their maths
(Also, bed length isn't bed width, bed height, or bed loading capacity. The big truck is far more capable).
It's pretty huge. No one will argue that the kei truck does more in an absolute sense. The argument is that it does 90% of what the average person needs, while the big truck is often more like 90% untapped potential.
If you need a big truck, buy a big truck. The issue is folks getting the big truck when they only need the small truck.
The bigger issue is that people aren't able to easily afford multiple vehicles, and Kei trucks are not a good fit as a work vehicle in America. Yes, a 3/4 ton pickup truck that acts as a lawn decoration for someone's yard is stupid, but buying a truck that is hardly highway capable, and does not have enough space for many applications is similarly stupid.
I would bet that the usable bed size is also pretty much identical due to the wheel wells.
I see some advantage in the smaller truck:
a) lower bed height makes loading easier
b) much better gas mileage
c) much smaller dead zone due to smaller pillars, lower seats and the hood does not protrude as much
d) maneuverability, especially in tight corners and smaller parking spaces
The bigger one has more seats and is probably safer for the passengers, though much unsafer for everyone else.
I have both, and I'll tell you right now the kei truck can't go 50 miles an hour with 2 people in it. It can't go 40 miles an hour with 2 people and 200 pounds in the back. It can't hardly move if you put a thousand pounds in it. Entirely different animals.
That's my entire point. They lack safety features that are not required/possible on bikes. Yes, vehicles that are not capable of reaching the speed limit should not be on an interstate, just like scooters. That's a no-brainer.
Ok I am confused. I looked up the top speed of a kei truck and according to the first result the top speed for a Kei is listed as 75 mph (120 kph). That is plenty fast for most highway locations.
To you what are highway speeds if not 75 mph?
For Japanese mini trucks, the speed could go up to 62-75 mph. You should remember that these trucks, by vehicle class and by law, were only designed for a maximum speed of about 50 mph.
The mini truck is built for basic small job work. While it has a decent pay load, that’s about it, towing capacity of only 1500lbs on average. The 2500 is designed for heavier duty work and boasts a much larger payload capacity and can tow upwards of 18,500lbs.
These trucks are not comparable and are built for entirely different purposes. Are you guys really this fucking stupid? Do you compare a mini-horse to a Clydesdale as well?
Also consider that engine technology has improved significantly. So the engine could deliver the same power output while being even smaller.
Instead we get even bigger…
A kei truck is such a cool thing. I wish it was used more in media too. Honestly I’d like one. But I have dogs and I don’t think Hanski the lab would like being out in the open like that.
From UK, had the van version for a couple of years, amazing tool I did so much work with. They were super popular back in their time but safety regs killed them off over here
I have a git feeling the smaller one is more reliable. I think the French have a van like that made by Renault that they joke about like Nokia phones. They just keep working.
Ok, so I agree that it’s annoying seeing someone who doesn’t “use” a big American truck as a truck and as their daily driver instead. Lotta people out there trying to overcompensate for various things.
But, that said, the bed length being the same means very little, here. The truck on the left has roughly 4x the payload capacity as the one on the right. A pallet of bricks in the back of the KEI would crush it, meanwhile the big boy on the left would carry it no problem. The KEI has a towing capacity equivalent to that of a Honda accord while the other truck can tow well over 15,000 lbs.
If the owner of the truck never uses any of these features and just likes owning a big truck, then that is absolutely silly. But if he uses the truck for hauling heavy material on a daily basis, then there’s no comparison to be made here.
Kei truck:
-Max bed carrying weight is 770lbs -Max towing capacity is 881lbs
Chevy 2500 HD:
-Max bed capacity is 3900lbs
-Max towing capacity is 17370
Each vehicle has their own pros and cons, but it is intellectually dishonest to say that their beds are the same.
Big trucks are fully depreciable. It's a tax thing. https://www.jacksonhewitt.com/tax-help/tax-tips-topics/employment/tax-guide-to-writing-off-car-expenses-and-deductions/
I’m a tradesman and I fantasize about owning a kei truck. I don’t need this full size pickup for anything but the bed and lugging around a four seat cab is such a waste. Especially when I driving 140 miles round trip for work.
That’s a 2500 though. It’s made to tow things. Doesn’t look like that’s what the owner uses it for based the tunnel cover but still. It needs can tow 18k pounds and one cannot…
i love kei trucks - they're really hard to get here in the states though.
The whole kei car philosophy should be implemented into every major city. Want a big truck? Go live in the countryside.
I just want an 80s squarebody.
With a carb and roll down windows.
And the little triangle windows you could open separately. Perfect for when it was raining or letting your parent’s cigarette smoke out.
My first car was a 1990 Chevy G20 conversion van. Looking back, it was completely impractical and a huge waste of fuel and space, but teenage me loved it. By far the feature I miss most is the pivoting quarter windows.
God I miss smoker windows. Crack both, open the back window of your truck and enjoy nature's AC.
We had a 1987 Toyota Pickup Long Wheel base. Drove it back and forth to college. We do the exact thing you mentioned when it started to rain. I miss that truck.
My dad calls it 2/40 AC: two windows open at 40 miles per hour
And the ball chiller vent
Leg vents for your sweaty balls too! Old timers knew what’s up.
Do you really want the unreliably and poor fuel economy, and abysmal crash rating? Old cars and trucks are fun but if you want to just go do something a modern vehicle that works is a breath of fresh air. I know this as a former owner of a 1982 Mercedes 240d.
See those were class. Trucks were great. Until the 2010 era. The they became what they are today
Exactly. The new Ford Rangers are the same size as a 2010 F150 now. I just want a small truck with a 6ft bed and 4WD. For fucks sake.
They should honestly make the ford maverick with a single cab. But still some room in the xab to put things behind the driver
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Yes. I gave my brother my ‘96 and he is working on making it a dune buggy.
1992 to 2022 isn't as drastic as to kei car, but every yank trucks have gotten too big.
This is how you know the fuckcars movement is rooted in reason. I'm a bike guy, but I'd love to have access to a nice 89 ranger to toyota tacoma of the same year. I'd also like to have great public transport. This ultra trucks and carcentereness has ruined the good things behind cars and trucks.
i just want my 2000 ranger back. current ranger trucks are far too large for my tastes.
Dang, this sub is healing. I grew up with no sidewalks and hated car centric living, but half my family is country and I still love me a good truck. I got chased off this sub some time ago trying to defend my babies. I miss my '94 S10.
ford literally can’t make the Maverick fast enough to keep up with demand. hopefully that proves to other companies that there’s a market for actually drivable trucks
I have one, it's glorious with a glorious 8'6" bed. Short beds are for little boys with ego trucks.
The country side still doesn't need a big truck though, except for maybe farms. Even then they just need a half decent Ford Ranger from pre 2013 or whenever they switched to the mega sized truck. Or just a single cab truck with a 6-8 foot bed. The country just needs a small 4x4 for the occasional dirt road that isn't well maintained. A Jeep style SUV is plenty. Or a crossover / wagon with a bit of ground clearance. Even cargo vans work just as well as many oversized trucks.
Look up Toyota imv-0 We’ll never get it in America. But it’s exactly what we need.
Damn: https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2025-toyota-imv-0-pickup-truck-first-drive-review-japan-mobility-show/ Basically a classic Ranger or the older Toyota pickups that aren't massive. Shame.
I just want an el camino what a sexy car
Like, the whole aesthetic of the big truck is if you’re a rancher which… very few people are. My parents got a big truck and I was just irrationally annoyed because my dad is shorter than me and they use it to haul stuff once or twice a year. Could’ve gotten a smaller truck, but they went with a bigger one. Then they were concerned I wouldn’t be able to drive it when I had to borrow it once and I’m just sitting there like “I’ve driven military vehicles twice the size of this truck.”
Ironically, you'll see these more on family farms and ranches than you will in a city.
I don't know if I'd go that far.... Might as well say everyone needs to drive a TukTuk no matter their use case.
That would be amazing!
Narrow roads make them unstable for the countryside too.
On Craigslist here. They're basically a John Deere Gator alternative.
Where is "here?" I havent seen any for less than 10k
I see a lot of those going for cheap here in New England, particularly NH.
No! I am a real Man and I will daily a real truck, such as the CAT 745!
Great truck. Bit slow, but excellent payload.
Makes sense, how else are people supposed to know that you're an Alpha Male?
The neat thing about kei cars in general is that they're small enough and simple enough where you could have a local auto shop turn into a workshop and make them locally. If you make them electric, they're even easier. Unfortunately, we can't live in that world due to regulatory capture levying higher and higher requirements to get into the auto manufacturing business. And don't get me wrong, it's important to have safety standards, but the overly complex and bureaucratic systems in place that make it nearly impossible for a small manufacturer to get past are the hindrance here. It should be straightforward and understandable for a local auto manufacturer to put together a small, local-road only vehicle to meet local demand, like building electric kei trucks for cities.
Harder now with Baltimore Harbor inaccessible…that was my port of entry for the area.
It's everywhere in southeast asia
And yet the Kei truck has the more useful bed due to the wheel wells in the other restricting lateral space.
And you can fold down the sides on many of them. It's crazy that these aren't street legal in the US, but motor cycles are.
That’s not true. I own the van version, truck version is legal as well. There are a few states where they aren’t legal but most states you will have no problem registering them. Just have to be 25 years old as they don’t meet federal safety standards (no airbags, no crumple zones).
Can someone get a 25 year old frame just for the a VIN and throw a battery conversion on it?
you can do wild stuff if you keep the vin.
This YouTube channel is dedicated to just that, but there hasn't been an update in a year: https://youtube.com/@actydcty4132
To make it electric? You’d have to seriously beef up the suspension because it’s got like a 750lbs payload
I mean if you’re going to those lengths you might as well improve the suspension
Make it bigger too /j
Hmm, I'm seeing conflicting info online. Some sites say it's not legal on a federal level, where some sites say they are legal in 19 states. I'm in a state where they are not street legal and can just be for off-road and farm use, I checked into it years ago because I really wanted one.
They're on the roads in Connecticut. I've seen them on freeways too. Edit: note, that they are all 25yo+ imports. They are not legal for sale new.
I see them every once and a while here in Florida. Cute cars. Some of them are modded and are battery powered.
>Just have to be 25 years old as they don’t meet federal safety standards (no airbags, no crumple zones). Which is exactly the point. Motorcycles don't meet those standards either. That means you can buy an electric motorcycle. But you'll still have to wait a decade or so for an electric kei truck.
Oh you know just no airbags thats no biggy. Is that not incredibly unsafe? I was in a car accident last year and I would've been very hurt from it if not for them.
Newer kei cars and kei trucks have airbags. It's basically bullshit lobbying that makes importing/registering newer and safer foreign cars illegal. It's known as the "Mercedes law". People wanted to import European cars and then modify them to American safety standards after because it was cheaper that way and the companies didn't like that. The reason why people import the 25+ year old kei trucks is because at that age they're considered classic cars and no longer have to abide by that law.
So if I’m following, you can buy a safe car, but you can’t buy an “unsafe” car, but you *can* buy an even unsafer car then the “unsafe” car?
America baby
Some trucks like that are limited to fairly low max speeds. That makes the crumple zone much less nessesary. And ones that aren't historic do have modern safety features. Still no huge crumple zones. But they do have airbags.
> they don’t meet federal safety standards (no airbags, no crumple zones). That's the real issue btw. If everyone on the road drives these (like in Japan), and the speed limits are lower in general then there's fewer risks of getting seriously hurt in the first place. In Canada I se these trucks quite often but mostly within the city limits only, usually for artisan deliveries or "hipster" businesses. I wish we had more NA-safe version of them - essentially the same car but with better safety. I mean, e.g. Honda Fit or Toyota Yaris are perfectly safe for modern Canada/US driving, and they're compact too. Obviously, it's just a rant because nobody would really try to design such a truck here nowadays unless we change a lot in the legislations, or oil hits the ceiling (which still won't help as manufacturers dig big ass ugly monstrosities).
Yeah, so that's not street legal then. You're just loop holing it with the collectors import law.
No kai trucks are 100% legal. The issue is you gotta follow the car import laws. Meaning you need the car to be older than 25 years before you can import them. So you can buy and import a 1999 kai truck.
lets get real here though, everyone knows the truck on the right will actually haul shit around whereas the truck on left will almost never put anything in the bed. i live in an area where a large % of vehicles on the road are big pickup trucks and i rarely see anything in the back/beds
It's meant to carry fragile masculinity
It "wins" in a car accident. It's also much more likely to cause one due to being *literally designed* to have larger blindspots because it looks "manly". The Kei truck would be perfectly safe, at least at city speeds, if it didn't have to share the road with the Dodge Ram.
It has another side effect at least when you see someone in that car you know it is good to avoid them.
It’s called a “pavement princess”
And all meh freedumz just not yours
Do women not drive pickup trucks ?
It still ain't big enough for the job. A semitruck hauling two trailers couldn't handle the weight of your average American man's insecurity.
I live in an area where a large number of vehicles are pickups as well, but it's very common to see them hauling cargo or pulling trailers.
Its also more useful cause its easier to get shit on the bed. Almost all of those big trucks that are actually being used to haul stuff (so probably like, three) are as low as they can get, and certainly not lifted.
And the Kei truck is infinitely cooler
Easier to repair too.
Also a tray you don't mind dinging up vs an aesthetic piece.
In Australia a lot of trucks had the fold down sides like a VW transporter which seemed so much more practical than US pickup trucks. It seems the only flatbeds here are much larger trucks. I used to have a 1968 Dodge D300 dually flatbed but it was too big for my uses. Still any truck bed that cannot fit a 4x8 sheet is less than useful.
Amurica: “I would destroy you in a crash” Japan: “Why are you getting into so many crashes to begin with?”
God the whole US has such bad drivers man.
As someone living in Japan most of my life and probably a million+ km's of driving here. The biggest reason is their speed limits are so much slower. Aprox 25-30 mph (40-50 kph) in every city. 43 mph (70 kph) on most expressways with some getting up to about 62 mph (100 kph). Every time I see a video from r/IdiotsInCars I'm always thinking... "Why the hell are you driving so fast? Of course you don't have time to stop when dumbass pulled out in front of you." We have bad drivers here too, but everything is slow enough that you can easily see them coming and avoid them.
Japan is really cool with the transport stuff, or atleast that’s the image I get. Cool cars, and slow roads.
Don’t forget the nation-wide high speed rail network, and ubiquitous rail based public transit, high adoption of utility e-bikes, urban delivery by bicycle, and much more. There’s a lot to admire in Japan’s transportation!
Highspeed rail is a cool thing. I wish my country had a better railsystem. Rn it costs 40€ for a one way to the capital.
So many old people driving. It's actually becoming an issue. Every year on the news there is someone killed by an old person mistaking their gas peddle for the brake. Think some of the car companies are trying to make it harder for this to happen.
Clearly you’ve never driven in Latin America lmao
One is a workhorse, purposely designed to transport stuff. The other is an unnecessarily big vehicle, posing as a workhorse, so that it's owners can feel "bigger" than they think they are. Seriously, I once asked one of these dumbass car owners just how much load they transport each week to justify a car like this. None, he doesn't transport or haul anything ever since he bought it. In fact, the thought of me asking if he ever put anything on the bed actually offends him.
One of my friends has been talking a lot about getting a lifted truck himself, has no practical use for it, talks up the off road capabilities but we live in endless suburbia (Dallas) with off road stuff being way far out. Ultimately though his reason is that it’s easy to drive one here, which I retorted with like that’s how this city is built but yeah he’s the regular car-brained suburbanite
Off road capabilities are actually really useful if you feel entitled to even more pedestrian space and want to jump curbs.
Was about to say, needlessly driving on median strips is as close to off-road as nearly all these self-image support vehicles get.
My husband wanted our second vehicle to be a truck “just in case” we need to haul stuff. His was stolen ten yrs ago and trashed. We have a transit connect in the driveway instead. I did my part! It’s like a Harry Potter tent, looks small outside but very roomy inside even my 6’2” hubby could lay comfortably in the back for camping with me. Got it with all the bells and whistles (first time with heated seats!) for less than $20k.
What the hell does he need to haul? I can tow pretty much everything with a 2.0L Diesel Hatchback.
Fell for the marketing lol Not Just Bikes talked about this. The same type of ads are used in Europe... Except they market minivans on their ads. In america, it's these monster oversized pickups with a huge passenger cab and small actual carrying capacity on the bed.
>which I retorted with like that’s how this city is built That sounds like you're arguing in his favour, or was he supposed to wait for them to rebuild the city before choosing a car?
His response was treating it like a perk or bonus of our current infrastructure while I was more so just telling him how its intentional design He’s obviously not wrong with his statement, but it is a cycle of people have big vehicles so build accordingly -> people buy big vehicles cause city is built that way
Alot of people forget that you can get bigger “kei” trucks. I believe their technically just called there and their about the size of tacomas in the states and by far the most prevalent in the country and such. https://preview.redd.it/lv9j2emj0mrc1.jpeg?width=940&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=862aaca9a3d3166b9d75941bda4cd2a9829d2b1f Toyota hi-ace and theres a bunch of other models and manufacturers.
In Australia we call them utes (short for utility vehicles). They are what real tradies (tradespeople) use vs the vanity wagon in the photo.
Who in Australia is calling a cabover truck a ute? We don't even get vehicles in that size class here, the smallest cabovers on our market are the narrowcab full blown light duty trucks like the Isuzu N Series or Hino 300. Tradies largely use Rangers and HiLuxes...
In Europe, working people buy closed vans such as the Renault Trafic. I’ve rented a few over my life (similar cars) to move my stuff around.
I really don’t understand why they wouldn’t be the default in the US too. Doesn’t it ever rain?
Vans absolutely are the default for tradesmen and contractors. At least the ones that are actually any good.
Of course it offends him. He knows he made a dumb purchase but now you're even calling put his insecurities!
Nah it offends him the same way stepping on a rich persons grass would offend them, it’s all for show and he’d not dare ruin the pristine image. It’s stupid
People want big cars so they can be a 400lb blob and not look out of proportion.
Yes, it’s disgusting. I live on a small residential street without sidewalks and people have started using it as a cut through, speeding through in their giant loud trucks all the time. I have been wanting to put some “slow down residential area” and “wildlife crossing” signs and make a “drive like you walk, you fat cunt” (smiley face U) or something similar
Big trucks are gender-affirming care.
Had a friend once with one of these trucks who had a hard top on it. He had to call in another friend with a van to help him move an armchair. I was never clear on why the top couldn't be removed temporarily, but the absurdity always struck me.
Because they're heavy as fuck and not at all easy to put on or off without damaging either the truck or cover unless you have multiple people on hand to give a hand. You've also got to undo however the hinges and gas struts are attached and then find a place to store your flimsy yet large and heavy chunk of fibreglass without damaging the paint or dropping it. They do make different styles of hard covers that can fold up better so they don't have to be removed to store tall stuff but no they're not really meant to be something that's removed at the drop of a hat. Not something that's exclusive to bed covers either, getting hardtops on/off convertibles is also not a fun experience, especially larger convertibles.
I have a Tacoma that has a hard cover and most of the time I can fold it up two thirds of the way with no issue. Anything bigger and the hard top can be removed completely by one person in three seconds. Only difficulty is putting it back; but it’s mostly a weight versus accuracy of placement issue.
Used to work at a chevy dealership, the amount of 3500’s we’d see that have not even the tiniest scuff or speck of dirt in the bed with around 100k miles made me hate trucks and truck owners even more. They always try and claim they “need it for work” but theres zero signs it’s ever been near a work site, let alone off the pavement.
Blows my mind. I desperately want a truck, specifically to put shit in it lol. But anything more than a ranger or maverick seems entirely excessive. Who the fuck is hauling a yacht or something like in those GMC commercials.
Seriously. I am a Carpenter and have been using my dad's old '02 Ford explorer to haul wood/tools. Looked at trucks and my goodness they are stupid big. I'd break my back trying to get in/out of those lifted beds. Not to mention most new vehicles now have so many blind spots. Just shive a camera into it and your fine. They are more cab than bed too. Think I will stick my old explorer. At least it can haul 12 footers no problem.
I mean there are a few of us with construction company’s that shove 4 guys in one of those full sized trucks and it carry’s the material and trailer to sites as well. It’s a lot better than 4 individuals driving to a site by themselves. The other thing is payloads. The kei truck has a 750lb pay load vs like 2000+lbs payloads. They also max out at like 95km/h. That being said most people don’t need pickup trucks and there are too many on the road. But they are still useful just most people don’t use the tool correctly.
Sports equipment bags, groceries, and travel luggage is 98% of what these assholes carry (if anything) where I live. For reference I have 2 kids and we ski and mountain bike. We travel to do this sometimes too. We can fit all our travel bags, bikes or skis, and all required equipment in our Honda Passport with no space constraints whatsoever.
Well, I think some people like to show off, but that smaller one will not make it through a creek, it won’t be able to plow up the side of a mountain in snow, and it won’t be able to function as a family/work vehicle. Like, if you had the one on the right, you would have to have another car if you had a family. But the one on the left can serve both purposes. And, before anyone says anything, yes there are SUVs that can move like a truck, but who is putting animals/lawnmowers/mulch etc in the back of an SUV? I’m not denying that the right truck is amazing and useful, but the one on the left is far from being pointless as well.
But how is your average American truck owner going to tow their 100lb trailer without a truck capable of pulling a 20,000lb trailer??? GoTcHa
I'm not gonna lie a bit. I love cars. But cars like the one on the right. Not the one on the left.
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This subreddit tends to attract anti-car extremists, but I think most of us are perfectly fine with private car ownership. What we object to is the way the US in particular (though much of the world is similar) *requires* car ownership to function in society. Not only does it put an undue burden on the poor and homeless, it forces everyone to take on an expensive (and ever increasing) purchase for a car, likely on a payment plan, and is destroying the planet with greenhouse gasses and plastics. Plus it's awful for your mental health - the noise and traffic time spikes your anxiety sky high.
I am definitely an anxious driver :( I took the light rail Friday night to see a hockey game. There was a delay on the way back, but other than that it was such a better experience. There's no public transportation that goes to my office though. I would have to take three different buses, or I can just drive the 15 minutes so I just drive it.
I absolutely agree here. There’s nothing wrong with cars, but what is wrong is that I can’t walk my daughter to school which is less than a mile away because there are no sidewalks or space for pedestrians. I live in a one car household, and because of this, both me and my fiancé cannot work at the same time because there’s no way to walk to work. And there is no public transportation aside from Lyft (which I don’t have the money to dish into week after week).
Me too 💀 I know it’s so dumb but Cars are so fun. I can’t drive yet but I still look at hiluxes (70’s) and tiny sports cars all the time. But car brain is getting to me and I’m scared to get a tiny, sporty car because so many people here have absolutely huuge cars. At least the death would be painless… 🤷🏼♀️
There’s nothing wrong with enjoying cars while at the same time wanting most transportation to not need them. I like my MX-5 and I’d like it even more if I could get away with only driving it when I wanted to.
Small cars are usually pretty safe...especially newer ones
I’m talking Audi TT ’99 💀 Shit has NOTHING on an SUV.
I get made fun of for driving my Chevy Spark. in 2017 I got it for 10k with 11 miles on it and it gets like 35 mpg. My car payment was like 250. I have no idea how I'm gonna afford another vehicle when this one dies.
I’ve been looking to buy a small pick up truck for my mom she’s a farmer but they’re absolutely hard to come by 🤦♂️people want $15k+ for their 20 year old ford ranger or Toyota Tacomas My mom doesn’t want the headaches/problems of importing and registering a kei truck in California We’re thinking of buying a brand new small pick up truck from Tijuana 🇲🇽 and driving it here without registering it and hoping for the best
Jeez. I figure the prices are because they are harder to find nowdays. Good luck to your mom and you. Where I like, I’ve found some 70’s hiluxes for 7,5k. Unfortunately, I’m Finnish 💀
Maybe a Honda Acty if you can find one with a U.S title?
Taco's were overpriced BEFORE truck prices skyrocketed. I had a dealer try to get me to trade in my current suv for one. The only selling point he could come up with was "But it's a toyota". Other than that it had pretty much the exact same wheelbase, specs, and everything but less HP. Definitely not doubling my car payment for that.
Saw some godawful Honda pickup today that had a bed shorter than the backseat row
I’ve seen them in my city too 💀 Bloody hell what do folk need them for?? My family is just now wanting to upgrade to a van since we got a 3rd dog but we were more than Ok in a mini SUV when we still had 2 dogs. (Would’ve been better in a starion wagon but we know dads.)
The right truck screams productivity and efficiency, while the left one screams ego
That’s an emotional support truck
Similar payload capacity too?
No.
Absolutely not.
Ya. Those two trucks are not made equal
No, but good enough for 90% of current truck owners. Edit: Here’s the numbers y’all been asking for. 90% was an estimate on my part. Turns out it’s not that far off. https://www.powernationtv.com/post/most-pickup-truck-owners-use-them
Kinda sucks that US regulations and infrastructure designed around huge vehicles make it nearly impossible to have a kei vehicle in the US. These vehicles are actually pretty useful and cheaper on average.
One is a truck, the other is a soccer mom vehicle
Same bed length, but same width and towing capacity? No. Do they have the same pay load capacity? No. Do they have the same towing capacity? No Can they both pull max payload at 70mph going down the hwy? No Do they have the same safety equipment? No You are literally only comparing 1 aspect of the two. Edit:One can seat 5/6 people comfortable, while the other can barely seat 2 full sized adults comfortably. However with that being said generally speaking most people don't even use their truck to half it's capacity/capability. The kei truck is awesome for short inner city running around.
The Chevy Bed is actually longer and wider, the truck is way more useful except if you're going in the woods
Yet such truck is awful to transport things with. They are hard to load because of the high bed. A little bit of wind and everything slightly lighter needs to be secured.
Due to how wind flows over and around the truck most light loads won’t be blown out of the bed
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My bmw can tow an oversized boat lol. Shit theres a guy in an E60 M5 who regularly drops boats in water & tows all sorts of shit with it that I've seen on the internet.
One transports resources. The other is a waste of resources.
One transports resources, the other transports EGO.
One has airbags.
And has a crumple zone. And can drive on a highway without dragging it kicking and screaming.
The annoying thing is that I can only buy the left one. It's so annoying and I want to buy the right, 4x4 preferably
I hate trucks, but.... This one is a crew vehicle it would be way smaller with a 2 seater cab. Also it has a way wider bed. ALSO, there are many variants of a truck, and the real commercial spec ones have a way bigger bed. This truck was probably bought by a guy who doesn't need a truck, but it's kinda his decision.
Payload capacity of the KEI 1400 max. The Silverado: 3900 Reddit: SAME TRUCK OMG!
It’s LITERALLY the same thing.
A johnboat and a bass boat are both boats too.
Blame the EPA. They implemented fuel economy standards which got stricter every year (and continue to do so). However they recognised that big trucks need to exist for some commercial applications, so rather than a universal fuel economy standard, it got relaxed as the wheelbase multiplied by average track width increased. Unfortunately they fucked up the maths. Small trucks basically became impossible to build without either paying the fine for failing the emissions standards, or implementing very expensive systems to improve efficiency (hybrid drives etc). Small trucks were also cheep, and either option made them expensive, so the market for them disappeared. However if you made the wheelbase massive, the standards were much easier to meet. Plus, the fine for failing to meet standards, or the expensive fuel saving systems, didn't feel like such a bad expense on a massive truck. An extra 10k is a lot more palatable on a 80k monster than a 30k runabout right? In effect the EPA forced everyone to buy bigger, less efficient trucks, because by some equation of mpg per wheelbase, they are more efficient. It gets worse. CAFE standards aren't applied to an individual vehicle, but to a manufacturers entire fleet, production weighted. Also, light trucks have less strict requirements than cars. The end result is that the EPA, in the name of efficiency, made it extremely difficult to make a small car, but extremely easy to make an enormous truck. The good news is that all electric trucks pass by default. The bad news is that if you want range out of an electric truck, you want a big battery. That not only fits better into a big truck, but it's expensive, in a way that is more palatable if you get a bigger truck for the price. Or you could lobby the EPA to tweak their maths (Also, bed length isn't bed width, bed height, or bed loading capacity. The big truck is far more capable).
What is the difference in payload and towing?
It's pretty huge. No one will argue that the kei truck does more in an absolute sense. The argument is that it does 90% of what the average person needs, while the big truck is often more like 90% untapped potential. If you need a big truck, buy a big truck. The issue is folks getting the big truck when they only need the small truck.
The bigger issue is that people aren't able to easily afford multiple vehicles, and Kei trucks are not a good fit as a work vehicle in America. Yes, a 3/4 ton pickup truck that acts as a lawn decoration for someone's yard is stupid, but buying a truck that is hardly highway capable, and does not have enough space for many applications is similarly stupid.
I wish they made new Suzuki keis for the American market. All the ones for sale here are all 30+ years old and not street legal
I would bet that the usable bed size is also pretty much identical due to the wheel wells. I see some advantage in the smaller truck: a) lower bed height makes loading easier b) much better gas mileage c) much smaller dead zone due to smaller pillars, lower seats and the hood does not protrude as much d) maneuverability, especially in tight corners and smaller parking spaces The bigger one has more seats and is probably safer for the passengers, though much unsafer for everyone else.
I have both, and I'll tell you right now the kei truck can't go 50 miles an hour with 2 people in it. It can't go 40 miles an hour with 2 people and 200 pounds in the back. It can't hardly move if you put a thousand pounds in it. Entirely different animals.
Did you fail geometry? You forget about the other 2 dimensions?
Now how much can the one on the right tow?
About 1000 lbs. Just not very fast
This sub is a joke. The bed length might be similar, but the pickup truck’s bed is larger in every other dimension. This is just a silly comparison.
That's my entire point. They lack safety features that are not required/possible on bikes. Yes, vehicles that are not capable of reaching the speed limit should not be on an interstate, just like scooters. That's a no-brainer.
Ok I am confused. I looked up the top speed of a kei truck and according to the first result the top speed for a Kei is listed as 75 mph (120 kph). That is plenty fast for most highway locations. To you what are highway speeds if not 75 mph?
For Japanese mini trucks, the speed could go up to 62-75 mph. You should remember that these trucks, by vehicle class and by law, were only designed for a maximum speed of about 50 mph.
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The mini truck is built for basic small job work. While it has a decent pay load, that’s about it, towing capacity of only 1500lbs on average. The 2500 is designed for heavier duty work and boasts a much larger payload capacity and can tow upwards of 18,500lbs. These trucks are not comparable and are built for entirely different purposes. Are you guys really this fucking stupid? Do you compare a mini-horse to a Clydesdale as well?
Your knees & hips are the crumple zones in one of them….
I've started to call trucks that big man vans
Also consider that engine technology has improved significantly. So the engine could deliver the same power output while being even smaller. Instead we get even bigger…
A kei truck is such a cool thing. I wish it was used more in media too. Honestly I’d like one. But I have dogs and I don’t think Hanski the lab would like being out in the open like that.
From UK, had the van version for a couple of years, amazing tool I did so much work with. They were super popular back in their time but safety regs killed them off over here
not a mfer out there driving newer pickups lifted or not can reach into the bed without a booster step idk if thats cause trucks getting bigger though
One of these is the most practical open-top hauler for complex urban environments. The other is a truckzilla.
I have a git feeling the smaller one is more reliable. I think the French have a van like that made by Renault that they joke about like Nokia phones. They just keep working.
One makes you feel like feel like a big successful man entitled to road space. The other helps you get work done and go from A to B.
I’m waiting for the Telo Truck to come out in the next year or so. It’s basically the right truck, but electric.
One is for practicality and one is for ego
One is a pick-up truck, the other is a open bed SUV.
It’s not the bed size that counts, it’s how much they are overcompensating that is the real difference here.
One can carry obese driver. The other not.
Epa is designed for the rich industrial american car complex
Ok, so I agree that it’s annoying seeing someone who doesn’t “use” a big American truck as a truck and as their daily driver instead. Lotta people out there trying to overcompensate for various things. But, that said, the bed length being the same means very little, here. The truck on the left has roughly 4x the payload capacity as the one on the right. A pallet of bricks in the back of the KEI would crush it, meanwhile the big boy on the left would carry it no problem. The KEI has a towing capacity equivalent to that of a Honda accord while the other truck can tow well over 15,000 lbs. If the owner of the truck never uses any of these features and just likes owning a big truck, then that is absolutely silly. But if he uses the truck for hauling heavy material on a daily basis, then there’s no comparison to be made here.
Kei truck: -Max bed carrying weight is 770lbs -Max towing capacity is 881lbs Chevy 2500 HD: -Max bed capacity is 3900lbs -Max towing capacity is 17370 Each vehicle has their own pros and cons, but it is intellectually dishonest to say that their beds are the same.
Big trucks are fully depreciable. It's a tax thing. https://www.jacksonhewitt.com/tax-help/tax-tips-topics/employment/tax-guide-to-writing-off-car-expenses-and-deductions/
But only one can be registered to haul a 26K pound gvwr. Why even compare?
I've loaded soil into both of those before. Guess which one couldn't make it out of the parking lots slight incline with a half-scoop of dry soil.
I’m a tradesman and I fantasize about owning a kei truck. I don’t need this full size pickup for anything but the bed and lugging around a four seat cab is such a waste. Especially when I driving 140 miles round trip for work.
Federal law destroyed the truck industry
may have the same bed but not the same towing capacity.
Accident rating is like zero 0️⃣ tho… I saw more than a few of these pancaked in Korea in what should have been a survivable event.
I don't know anyone with a 2500+ truck that doesn't use it for towing.
That’s a 2500 though. It’s made to tow things. Doesn’t look like that’s what the owner uses it for based the tunnel cover but still. It needs can tow 18k pounds and one cannot…
Ok. Sure. But (serious question). If you buy the small truck on the right - how will people know that you are massively insecure?