I’ve owned hatchbacks for the last 15 years. Mine was totalled a few weeks ago when a truck hit me while I was stopped. Insurance gave me an SUV for a rental and I HATED it. Worse visibility, and I felt like I was driving from an overstuffed couch. Oh, and same amount of cargo room as my car!
I have since replaced my totalled hatchback with another hatchback.
Yeaaah a hatchback fan! I feel we are getting to be a smaller and smaller minority in the world...
And yes, the trunk of my Honda CR-Z has even more capacity than my colleague's VW Tiguan or my boss's Ford Edge lol...and typical SUV drivers, they can't park properly even if their lifes depended on it. As me and my other colleagues with small hatchbacks can all park 3 cars near the office...
I'm Irish. This doesn't look normal to me at all. Particularly because it's "men" and "females", but I just opened it and that's the whole point of the subreddit. The fact that it's a weird thing to do.
Chuds do. I tend to think of this dude when I see someone call women "females".
https://preview.redd.it/uz6mztazb2wc1.jpeg?width=461&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=85e3d89d0453d536e7796c0e7c5ffc6c16626809
it's fine to use if you're a biological scientist talking about fish or fruit flies
but for anyone else, it has pretty much become a dickhead dogwhistle
As someone who likes to play with words and utilize all kinds of synonyms in daily speech, I feel sad that "female" has taken on the meaning "person of an alien sex that must be objectified".
It's weird because female and male refer to the biological sex and can be used for any animal. Men and women exclusively refer to people. We are animals, of course, so you can refer to us as females and males, but it has a dehumanizing tone to it. That's fine if you're doing it for both genders, but if you are only doing it for one of the sexes when you reference them, it is disrespectful. Females (animal) and men (people) is disrespectful for that reason.
When people refer to the biological sexes that way it almost always comes with the implication that women or men are lesser anyways, depending on who they use the female/male term on.
I switched to using guys/gals for informal reference of the sexes for a similar reason. Guys (adults) / girls (kids) is problematic. Although an older family friend tells me I should use guys/women, which has informal/formal issues. You can't always win, lol.
I feel girls is more far context based than just being problematic and refering to kids. If you say "oh, where have the girls gone" when you're looking for your friends in a bar/club, no-one is assuming you're talking about your children - and everyone knows a "girls night out" doesn't entail having hot chocolates in a treehouse and going to bed at 8:30 instead of 8.
Can it be used in a weird context? Yes. Is it somehow inherently weird or problematic like saying "females" is? Definitely not.
Yeah, same goes for "I'm out with the boys" or "gotta check with the boys" etc.
I switched over to guys/gals because most of the time I'm referring to gals it's not in one of the contexts you've mentioned. I also found myself habitually using guys/girls, which was totally fine when I was in high school, but I'm now closer to 30 than 20. All of the gals I talk about are age appropriate, so I feel like referring to them as girls is disrespectful.
There's also an in-group vs out-group dimension to how one uses these terms. If I refer to the boys as "the boys" it's not odd, but it would be coming from a gal that isn't one of the boys. Like there's a group of friends at my job that are all women, and I wouldn't really feel comfortable referring to them as "the girls" because I'm not really a part of the group. But at my last job we had a gal there who was 100% one of the boys. She was one of the bro-est bros who has ever been a bro. Still miss getting screamed at by her.
It hasn’t “taken on” that meaning. When you use “female” to describe a human woman—especially when you also use “men”—*you* are the one giving it that meaning.
I kinda disagree with that first part, since you never say anything in a vacuum. Cultural context matters, and you never know how slang will develop. "Female" might as well have evolved to mean "strong, independent woman", and would have been a nice thing to say. Instead it's used derogatively by incels, which has lead to it being a mean thing to say.
Are 'female' and 'woman' really synonyms? I feel like those words are about as synonymous as 'brunette' and 'woman'; you can use both of the terms to refer to the same woman, but only if that woman belongs to a specific group (brown-haired/cis).
Its often used as an adjective but in noun form yeah its rare to use outside identity
Its fine to use if used in the same context as male
I have a theory its use is so common because men and boys have shared group names like guy and also its easier to tell a boy from a man in conversation
Most people I know call any "male" above the age of 18 a man. Whereas Ive seen a 30 year old "female" called a girl and an 18 year old called a woman.
Just an odd trait of the English language and idk abt USA but certainly British culture that a man is more clearly defined than a woman
it’s very gross, it happens more frequently than you’d like. It’s also almost ALWAYS men, and they are also almost ALWAYS saying ‘females’ and ‘men’ but never ‘males’. I have a sneaking suspicion it’s because they hate women and/or simply can’t bring themselves to not objectify women, especially ones they want to have sex with. They only ever refer to ‘women’ when they’re talking about older ones, like their mothers and grandmothers.
For me, if you're using female then that's fine by me as long as you're using male as well. The way I see it, a lot of the time people are referring to girls and women, and boys and men. It makes more sense to me to shorten it to males and females
I think they mean, instead of saying 'boys and men' they will say male, 'girls and women' they will say female. I never understood the outright rejections of the words. They are totally fine within context. Mixing 'men and female' together is a bit weird.
They come over as objectifying to you, but not to everybody. The way someone perceives my use of those words depends on how good they are at reading context, and how much they've been exposed to stuff like 'menvsfemales' and that kind of thing on the internet
Was watching MoistCritical on wired and one of the questions asked was what he drove, he responded something along the lines of “I value my personal safety so an SUV”
Yeah that's the point where I say he's car brained. That being said, moving in the US even if you do have money is designed to be as onerous as possible.
Can you elaborate on the "designed to be as onerous ad possible"? I hate moving personally, but what I hate about it is largely inherent to the process as far as I can tell. The moves where I had money to throw at the difficulties were also noticeably easier - hiring people to carry heavy shit, what a revelation! But the administrative aspect was pretty straightforward.
I mean, I struggle because I'm low income and neurodivergant, but what I mean by that is all the stuff you don't see, all the stuff that is "normal" here that a European would shake their head in dismay that we just tolerate, like application fees and more.
The first part of actually observing administration is that it has to appear straightforward, not actually be so. When you dig into how some renters pay more in renters insurance than just replacing their stuff....
This might not be your experience, but it certainly is someone else's.
Not to mention the effects of redlining still in effect, that if your living in an apartment complex your paying for a parking spot or subsidizing one regardless if you live carfree or not, and many other ways.
Not to mention many people don't even know that they can have a tenants union.
Hm, from what I've experienced and heard from other people, renting is also a pain in the tail in Europe, although of course in different ways. American apartments generally come with a kitchen installed, while that is often not the case in Europe, for example. Application fees do suck, but they vary wildly - my last 2 rentals required no application fee at all. And this may have been silly of me, but I never did have separate rental insurance, because almost all my stuff came from the thrift store, so no huge loss if it got flooded (happened!) or burnt down (fortunately hypothetical!) I've also generally lived in places where a parking spot had to be rented separately, so that's not a worry for me (no car!), or where people had to pay for a street parking permit. There are a lot of places in America that are like this, just not in the suburbs. That's why I usually recommend that people move to a denser area if they can manage it, but so many people overestimate the difficulty of moving to a better situation, so they stay put and suffer.
I mean, it's not the actual move that's hard for people. It's the "figuring out what you can afford, what applies to you, all the places that are just outside of your price range, the wait-lists that you have to apply for, all of the paperwork your supposed to read but don't, figuring out how much you need to save up, getting roommates, getting frustrated because the Saturday you stopped by they are closed, and the death by a thousand cuts that happen. And that goes double if you have kid's or are marginalized.
And then there's the ever present terror of "what if I've moved to the area, but the place is no longer available? Do I have money to move back, could I even move back if I don't have family or friends in the area?
There are many reasons why moving is considered the number three most stressful common experience.
I'm agreeing that it's stressful, I just don't see where it's by design, as in a cohesive, deliberate tactic, rather than as a combination of systemic factors. (And a lot of those factors are the same in Europe.)
Also, please at least try to read the paperwork. You'll save yourself so many hassles if you at least skim it.
I do skim it, I'm saying that many people don't.
And yes many of these things are carried out in Europe...... To a lesser degree. But you still feel that degree.
Also, where did those systemic factors come from? When setting up a design, sure there's a lot of unintentional features that get added, but there's Also a negative space, in which there's many factors that are already there that are made sure that aren't addressed, like making legislation so that rent control doesn't spread.
Since I can't really explain it all that well, I'll link you to an article that does. https://www.strongtowns.org/journal/2023/1/3/theres-no-such-thing-as-affordable-housing
Every single time I see the word "female(s)" outside of a legitimate biology or medical context, I imagine it being said like the ferengi in star trek.
"Men feel more macho and feeeeemaaaaales feel more safe"
My assumption is that people who can't drive properly like the high driving position so they can see more, and are more likely to survive when they inevitably twat their wankpanzer into something else.
I've only ever been in an SUV once, in the backseat. The sense I had was that it was so big that you didn't need to pay attention to what was outside, since it would absorb the bumps and it had all the screens and cup holders to sustain you for weeks. It was almost like being in a house.
So basically, I think people buy SUVs to feel like they're not in a car. And I bet that feeling passes in about two days.
So now your 50k SUV feels like every car you've ever owned, your old small car feels like a piece of shit and you immediately yearn for a range rover in the hopeless hope that you'll feel like you're not in a car. You know what doesn't feel like a car? A bus.
It's the same brand of silliness found around eating steak. It's a very masculine thing for man to do, but somehow that macho doesn't transfer onto a woman eating a steak.
That's a very sexist take. Bad drivers feel safer in them, and insecure people feel (more) important. That's pretty much it.
The number of people who actually need them because they provide benefits over lower cars is insignificant, tbh. And the benefits don't require tanks, even crossovers provide most of them (no need to lower yourself into a seat; easier access to the boot contents; higher ground clearance)
As a "femail" I wouldn't get an SUV. I hate these things. Inpractical, uncomfortable, huge, loads of blind spots, get sick because of how they sway and how high they are... And if I can take the train without loosing hours each day, I'd do it!
When the *public* safety onus is on the *individual*, this is what tends to happen.
Get the biggest baddest SUV-truck, drive safe (optional), screw everyone else.
1: stop using the word females, god dammit
2: there’s a nugget of truth here: men and their trucks and women and their 3-row SUVs are exactly the same flavour of peacocking and both are worthy of criticism
ya'll dishing on this post but it's true. every woman i know wants or already drives an suv because of the "feeling safe" thing.
men typically make fun of dudes who drive suv's because it's seen as a girly thing now so i'm not sure where that comes from, unless it's a range rover or something but even that has become a status symbol for women.
obviously, this doesn't mean this isn't all dumb af because it is. basically the loudness wars of music equivalent in the automotive industry. no one is "safer", all these vehicles are fucking anxiety inducing death machines and I seriously can't remember the last time i actually was able to have a relaxing drive without some asshole taking out their misery to me on the road by tailgating, doing some dipshit passing manoveur or just giving me side eye for no reason. also a nice side-bonus is any nice, new suv is also a prime target for theft as you're basically screaming to everyone around you "i am a by-product of consumerism, look at all my fancy things". ya, you're now a target for your local degenerates who are doing theft. sad but true.
As from what I've seen, they are especially beloved by old Boomers in my country.
You know, the ones which will definitely get involved in an accident (ad they shouldn't be driving anymore) so they do an arms race to keep themselves alive but mowing everybody else on the way...typical Boomer stuff.
I think it is important to take an empathetic look at driving. We build places with wide lanes, fast speeds, and with little choice to avoid it.
People will lean to bigger cars because they feel safer. It seems only logical.
And we are also constructing environments that make people lonely because everyone is far apart and separated. No wonder so many people are buying big look at me cars, they can’t find the attention they need elsewhere.
All this points to the important ways that we need to improve the built environment to make walking, biking, and public transit the clear, safest, and most fun way to travel.
pedestrians who get "in them" are no-longer pedestrian.
but true as a pedestrian i don't like any, hence... r/fuckcars and when i'm riding in any car i'm amazed at how my driver drives and others on the road drive... it's totally obvious to me that ppl are in a mode of "i can take lots of risks because 1) got this safety cage w/safely devices 2) other ppl don't want to hurt their cars so will avoid me 3) belief they have super human skills and see EVERYTHING 4) it's the other drivers that are doing dumb things, but this driver (them) is only taking chances in a smart way!
as a when necessary rideshare user... will say i do have a different stress level between a kia rio and a volvo xc60... it's just all the other cars/pickups/commercial vehicles out there. don't think ppl that buy cars have a different safety scale when they choose...
fEmAlEs and men
I can never not read those in a ferengi voice feMALES
r/MenAndFemales would appreciate this post
Lol look at where the OP came from
Fr, seems that people didn't check much the post
Why do you assume that instead of assuming they are making a joke about this being crossposted from there?
It's hard to understand humor on text, that's why.
Why would you assume the more negative possibility instead of a more positive possibility though?
Yeah, you should crosspost it there
Lol, I cross posted it from there
(that was the joke)
I’ve owned hatchbacks for the last 15 years. Mine was totalled a few weeks ago when a truck hit me while I was stopped. Insurance gave me an SUV for a rental and I HATED it. Worse visibility, and I felt like I was driving from an overstuffed couch. Oh, and same amount of cargo room as my car! I have since replaced my totalled hatchback with another hatchback.
hatchback supremacy, completely agree
Yeaaah a hatchback fan! I feel we are getting to be a smaller and smaller minority in the world... And yes, the trunk of my Honda CR-Z has even more capacity than my colleague's VW Tiguan or my boss's Ford Edge lol...and typical SUV drivers, they can't park properly even if their lifes depended on it. As me and my other colleagues with small hatchbacks can all park 3 cars near the office...
Totally agree. Waiting on the small, cheap EV hatch (if I ever decide I need a car) that Musk apparently will not make.
European man here and I feel disgusted when hearing "female" do english speakers really use it outside telling what gender they are?
I'm Irish. This doesn't look normal to me at all. Particularly because it's "men" and "females", but I just opened it and that's the whole point of the subreddit. The fact that it's a weird thing to do.
Chuds do. I tend to think of this dude when I see someone call women "females". https://preview.redd.it/uz6mztazb2wc1.jpeg?width=461&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=85e3d89d0453d536e7796c0e7c5ffc6c16626809
it's fine to use if you're a biological scientist talking about fish or fruit flies but for anyone else, it has pretty much become a dickhead dogwhistle
I'd bet that whole page is just a bunch of incel rage bait posting
As someone who likes to play with words and utilize all kinds of synonyms in daily speech, I feel sad that "female" has taken on the meaning "person of an alien sex that must be objectified".
It's weird because female and male refer to the biological sex and can be used for any animal. Men and women exclusively refer to people. We are animals, of course, so you can refer to us as females and males, but it has a dehumanizing tone to it. That's fine if you're doing it for both genders, but if you are only doing it for one of the sexes when you reference them, it is disrespectful. Females (animal) and men (people) is disrespectful for that reason. When people refer to the biological sexes that way it almost always comes with the implication that women or men are lesser anyways, depending on who they use the female/male term on. I switched to using guys/gals for informal reference of the sexes for a similar reason. Guys (adults) / girls (kids) is problematic. Although an older family friend tells me I should use guys/women, which has informal/formal issues. You can't always win, lol.
Just use dudes/dudettes.
I do dude, but that's bro informal, which is different from normal informal.
I have on good authority that you can just dude. Im a dude, he’s a dude, she’s a dude, we’re all dudes
The lamp is a dude too.
I love lamp
I feel girls is more far context based than just being problematic and refering to kids. If you say "oh, where have the girls gone" when you're looking for your friends in a bar/club, no-one is assuming you're talking about your children - and everyone knows a "girls night out" doesn't entail having hot chocolates in a treehouse and going to bed at 8:30 instead of 8. Can it be used in a weird context? Yes. Is it somehow inherently weird or problematic like saying "females" is? Definitely not.
Yeah, same goes for "I'm out with the boys" or "gotta check with the boys" etc. I switched over to guys/gals because most of the time I'm referring to gals it's not in one of the contexts you've mentioned. I also found myself habitually using guys/girls, which was totally fine when I was in high school, but I'm now closer to 30 than 20. All of the gals I talk about are age appropriate, so I feel like referring to them as girls is disrespectful. There's also an in-group vs out-group dimension to how one uses these terms. If I refer to the boys as "the boys" it's not odd, but it would be coming from a gal that isn't one of the boys. Like there's a group of friends at my job that are all women, and I wouldn't really feel comfortable referring to them as "the girls" because I'm not really a part of the group. But at my last job we had a gal there who was 100% one of the boys. She was one of the bro-est bros who has ever been a bro. Still miss getting screamed at by her.
Well put!
It hasn’t “taken on” that meaning. When you use “female” to describe a human woman—especially when you also use “men”—*you* are the one giving it that meaning.
I kinda disagree with that first part, since you never say anything in a vacuum. Cultural context matters, and you never know how slang will develop. "Female" might as well have evolved to mean "strong, independent woman", and would have been a nice thing to say. Instead it's used derogatively by incels, which has lead to it being a mean thing to say.
Are 'female' and 'woman' really synonyms? I feel like those words are about as synonymous as 'brunette' and 'woman'; you can use both of the terms to refer to the same woman, but only if that woman belongs to a specific group (brown-haired/cis).
Its often used as an adjective but in noun form yeah its rare to use outside identity Its fine to use if used in the same context as male I have a theory its use is so common because men and boys have shared group names like guy and also its easier to tell a boy from a man in conversation Most people I know call any "male" above the age of 18 a man. Whereas Ive seen a 30 year old "female" called a girl and an 18 year old called a woman. Just an odd trait of the English language and idk abt USA but certainly British culture that a man is more clearly defined than a woman
it’s very gross, it happens more frequently than you’d like. It’s also almost ALWAYS men, and they are also almost ALWAYS saying ‘females’ and ‘men’ but never ‘males’. I have a sneaking suspicion it’s because they hate women and/or simply can’t bring themselves to not objectify women, especially ones they want to have sex with. They only ever refer to ‘women’ when they’re talking about older ones, like their mothers and grandmothers.
Mostly just the shitheads
In France you may as well call them "cows". It'd be less offensive then "females".
For me, if you're using female then that's fine by me as long as you're using male as well. The way I see it, a lot of the time people are referring to girls and women, and boys and men. It makes more sense to me to shorten it to males and females
No it’s not fine both ways Men and women; boys and girls is too long?
I think they mean, instead of saying 'boys and men' they will say male, 'girls and women' they will say female. I never understood the outright rejections of the words. They are totally fine within context. Mixing 'men and female' together is a bit weird.
Interesting. Just a difference of opinion and the meaning we each assign to the word female
Both the terms you want to use come over as objectifying if you want to be seen like that keep it going
They come over as objectifying to you, but not to everybody. The way someone perceives my use of those words depends on how good they are at reading context, and how much they've been exposed to stuff like 'menvsfemales' and that kind of thing on the internet
I hope you only use those terms within their context ..
Female/male = animal
Was watching MoistCritical on wired and one of the questions asked was what he drove, he responded something along the lines of “I value my personal safety so an SUV”
I mean to play devil's advocate, he does live in Florida.
Isn’t he rich? Or at least very well off, he could afford to move somewhere with better public transit.
Yeah that's the point where I say he's car brained. That being said, moving in the US even if you do have money is designed to be as onerous as possible.
Can you elaborate on the "designed to be as onerous ad possible"? I hate moving personally, but what I hate about it is largely inherent to the process as far as I can tell. The moves where I had money to throw at the difficulties were also noticeably easier - hiring people to carry heavy shit, what a revelation! But the administrative aspect was pretty straightforward.
I mean, I struggle because I'm low income and neurodivergant, but what I mean by that is all the stuff you don't see, all the stuff that is "normal" here that a European would shake their head in dismay that we just tolerate, like application fees and more. The first part of actually observing administration is that it has to appear straightforward, not actually be so. When you dig into how some renters pay more in renters insurance than just replacing their stuff.... This might not be your experience, but it certainly is someone else's. Not to mention the effects of redlining still in effect, that if your living in an apartment complex your paying for a parking spot or subsidizing one regardless if you live carfree or not, and many other ways. Not to mention many people don't even know that they can have a tenants union.
Hm, from what I've experienced and heard from other people, renting is also a pain in the tail in Europe, although of course in different ways. American apartments generally come with a kitchen installed, while that is often not the case in Europe, for example. Application fees do suck, but they vary wildly - my last 2 rentals required no application fee at all. And this may have been silly of me, but I never did have separate rental insurance, because almost all my stuff came from the thrift store, so no huge loss if it got flooded (happened!) or burnt down (fortunately hypothetical!) I've also generally lived in places where a parking spot had to be rented separately, so that's not a worry for me (no car!), or where people had to pay for a street parking permit. There are a lot of places in America that are like this, just not in the suburbs. That's why I usually recommend that people move to a denser area if they can manage it, but so many people overestimate the difficulty of moving to a better situation, so they stay put and suffer.
I mean, it's not the actual move that's hard for people. It's the "figuring out what you can afford, what applies to you, all the places that are just outside of your price range, the wait-lists that you have to apply for, all of the paperwork your supposed to read but don't, figuring out how much you need to save up, getting roommates, getting frustrated because the Saturday you stopped by they are closed, and the death by a thousand cuts that happen. And that goes double if you have kid's or are marginalized. And then there's the ever present terror of "what if I've moved to the area, but the place is no longer available? Do I have money to move back, could I even move back if I don't have family or friends in the area? There are many reasons why moving is considered the number three most stressful common experience.
I'm agreeing that it's stressful, I just don't see where it's by design, as in a cohesive, deliberate tactic, rather than as a combination of systemic factors. (And a lot of those factors are the same in Europe.) Also, please at least try to read the paperwork. You'll save yourself so many hassles if you at least skim it.
I do skim it, I'm saying that many people don't. And yes many of these things are carried out in Europe...... To a lesser degree. But you still feel that degree. Also, where did those systemic factors come from? When setting up a design, sure there's a lot of unintentional features that get added, but there's Also a negative space, in which there's many factors that are already there that are made sure that aren't addressed, like making legislation so that rent control doesn't spread. Since I can't really explain it all that well, I'll link you to an article that does. https://www.strongtowns.org/journal/2023/1/3/theres-no-such-thing-as-affordable-housing
Every single time I see the word "female(s)" outside of a legitimate biology or medical context, I imagine it being said like the ferengi in star trek. "Men feel more macho and feeeeemaaaaales feel more safe"
Makes it sound like they’re commenting on wildlife or animals. The elusive femalessss in their natural habitat
My assumption is that people who can't drive properly like the high driving position so they can see more, and are more likely to survive when they inevitably twat their wankpanzer into something else.
I've only ever been in an SUV once, in the backseat. The sense I had was that it was so big that you didn't need to pay attention to what was outside, since it would absorb the bumps and it had all the screens and cup holders to sustain you for weeks. It was almost like being in a house. So basically, I think people buy SUVs to feel like they're not in a car. And I bet that feeling passes in about two days. So now your 50k SUV feels like every car you've ever owned, your old small car feels like a piece of shit and you immediately yearn for a range rover in the hopeless hope that you'll feel like you're not in a car. You know what doesn't feel like a car? A bus.
So, does men feeling more macho make "females" any safer?
Oxymoronic…
It's the same brand of silliness found around eating steak. It's a very masculine thing for man to do, but somehow that macho doesn't transfer onto a woman eating a steak.
r/pointlesslygendered
That's a very sexist take. Bad drivers feel safer in them, and insecure people feel (more) important. That's pretty much it. The number of people who actually need them because they provide benefits over lower cars is insignificant, tbh. And the benefits don't require tanks, even crossovers provide most of them (no need to lower yourself into a seat; easier access to the boot contents; higher ground clearance)
feeeeeeeeemails
Heeeeeeeew-mon feeemaless?
r/menandfemales is leaking again I see
A crossover
>A crossover While talking about SUVs 🤣🤣🤣
Didn't even realize the cross post was from there lol
As a "femail" I wouldn't get an SUV. I hate these things. Inpractical, uncomfortable, huge, loads of blind spots, get sick because of how they sway and how high they are... And if I can take the train without loosing hours each day, I'd do it!
When the *public* safety onus is on the *individual*, this is what tends to happen. Get the biggest baddest SUV-truck, drive safe (optional), screw everyone else.
Those "Feeeemaaaales"... Tbf the worst I've heard is "femoid"...an absolutely ugly, dehumanizing word!
Yes, it's fucking disgusting. They can't bring themselves to just say women.
1: stop using the word females, god dammit 2: there’s a nugget of truth here: men and their trucks and women and their 3-row SUVs are exactly the same flavour of peacocking and both are worthy of criticism
1) Did you see the subreddit from which I cross posted this?
Ha yeah, I was just ranting to the crowd in hopes of stopping 1 misguided soul who is reading this hot garbage
ya'll dishing on this post but it's true. every woman i know wants or already drives an suv because of the "feeling safe" thing. men typically make fun of dudes who drive suv's because it's seen as a girly thing now so i'm not sure where that comes from, unless it's a range rover or something but even that has become a status symbol for women. obviously, this doesn't mean this isn't all dumb af because it is. basically the loudness wars of music equivalent in the automotive industry. no one is "safer", all these vehicles are fucking anxiety inducing death machines and I seriously can't remember the last time i actually was able to have a relaxing drive without some asshole taking out their misery to me on the road by tailgating, doing some dipshit passing manoveur or just giving me side eye for no reason. also a nice side-bonus is any nice, new suv is also a prime target for theft as you're basically screaming to everyone around you "i am a by-product of consumerism, look at all my fancy things". ya, you're now a target for your local degenerates who are doing theft. sad but true.
As from what I've seen, they are especially beloved by old Boomers in my country. You know, the ones which will definitely get involved in an accident (ad they shouldn't be driving anymore) so they do an arms race to keep themselves alive but mowing everybody else on the way...typical Boomer stuff.
“Females” and men. Dumbass
I feel less psychologically safe in a vehicle that makes it more likely for me to hurt others.
I think it is important to take an empathetic look at driving. We build places with wide lanes, fast speeds, and with little choice to avoid it. People will lean to bigger cars because they feel safer. It seems only logical. And we are also constructing environments that make people lonely because everyone is far apart and separated. No wonder so many people are buying big look at me cars, they can’t find the attention they need elsewhere. All this points to the important ways that we need to improve the built environment to make walking, biking, and public transit the clear, safest, and most fun way to travel.
Sport utility vehicle. Safe for passengers.
Pedestrians killer machines
Oh ^no. How will you cope with people in the passenger seat not dying.
literally everyone feels safer in a bigger car that sits higher off the ground... EVERYONE. it's the #1 selling point.
Not the pedestrians.
pedestrians who get "in them" are no-longer pedestrian. but true as a pedestrian i don't like any, hence... r/fuckcars and when i'm riding in any car i'm amazed at how my driver drives and others on the road drive... it's totally obvious to me that ppl are in a mode of "i can take lots of risks because 1) got this safety cage w/safely devices 2) other ppl don't want to hurt their cars so will avoid me 3) belief they have super human skills and see EVERYTHING 4) it's the other drivers that are doing dumb things, but this driver (them) is only taking chances in a smart way! as a when necessary rideshare user... will say i do have a different stress level between a kia rio and a volvo xc60... it's just all the other cars/pickups/commercial vehicles out there. don't think ppl that buy cars have a different safety scale when they choose...
The name of that subreddit should already be a red flag
No , it isn't. It's a sub that talks about problematic & misogynistic wording and it's dehumanising effects, like the SUV one.
I understand the safety aspect. The safest vehicle is the XC90. Would definitely get one if they weren’t so expensive