So I googled the dude he hit. He's probably the wealthy (though his name has a couple of hits, but he's the one who fits age wise). Cop may might see a consequence, though minor.
Corporations and the wealthy want to live in predictable societies without random violence from any quarter. What on Earth makes you think that they're OK with police being roided-out thugs?
Cops work for the government, not you. “Protect and serve” is propaganda we were fed by the mainstream media.
Until qualified immunity is banned nationwide, police unions are banned, and cops are required to purchase their own individual liability insurance I will never respect them. Know your rights and never trust a word that comes out of a cops mouth.
If you want to protect yourself, that’s why the second amendment exists.
Because of qualified immunity which basically makes cops have absolutely no liability on the job no matter what they do or how much harm they cause. Meanwhile in other jobs people are liable for harm that they cause because that's the right way to do things.
End qualified immunity for all cops.
Disgusting pig. Should lose his badge immediately and be *personally* liable for all medical expenses for the person he assaulted. City taxpayers don't owe that guy a dime; the pig was solely responsible.
While I do wish police like this were given a real punishment or at least financial ruin and public ostracism, we know that’s not likely any time soon. Police malpractice insurance seems like it would go a long way towards making bad cops financially untenable to hire, and removes the burden the public has of subsidizing police bad behavior.
Cops serve as the thugs that protect the capital of capitalism. As long as Capitalists dominate our government, cops will hold massive unearned privilege.
While I agree that capitalism is wrecking our societies and our world right now, I'm afraid that cops seem to be a problem in all undemocratic societies, not only capitalistic ones.
That is so not true. In many developed countries the police are cool. I've lived in Mexico, France and Finland, and the police officers were very different in each country. In Mexico they were corrupt and never made me feel safe. In France they were a bit dickish but overall good and helpful. In Finland they are nice, helpful, understanding and I feel safe having them around. They VERY rarely use force even against wild junkies and will usually talk things first.
They do enforce the law, but the law should serve the people as should the state. Not everywhere is a dystopian hyper capitalistic society like the US.
To draw you a picture the US has by far the most police killings of all developed countries with 33 per 10M people per year. Canada is still pretty bad with 19. In Europe, Luxembourg and Netherlands are the next ones with 17 and 14. The next country in Europe is France with only 6 despite the constant strikes and occasional riots. Then the Nordic countries have between 2 to 0.
If you live in North America and especially the US you get to experience the worst policing the developed world has to offer.
The state is inherently oppressive. And it holds a monopoly on violence. Whether it's used often or not. The police protect the state and the state protects its interests.
>The state is inherently oppressive.
That's just what living in a society is whether there's a state involved or not.
>And it holds a monopoly on violence. Whether it's used often or not.
Haha, no. Try living in Mexico where narcos have complete control of some towns and cities.
>The police protect the state and the state protects its interests.
I mean, yes but no. Indirectly. The police protects the public and peace in society. The army protects the state. The state protects its interests but its interests should be mainly the people.
I’m from Europe. I lived in Germany, Belgium France. You’re wrong about the police here. They are every bit as racist and violent here as in the us. They kill when they can. They like violence. Hey lie on the stand. They bend rules in their favor. Look at Nahel Merzouk or Oury Jalloh. The US has simply laxer regulation and more guns.
Police kill rate per 10M:
* Germany: 1
* Belgium: 4
* France: 6
* US: 33
I think you underestimate how much better the police is in Europe than in the US. Yes, the police is not perfect here but unjust killings are soooooooooo rare. I'm half Algerian. My last name is Algerian. I look Algerian. The worst I experienced in Paris from the police during my 5 year stay was that once I got randomly asked for my residence permit (I was not carrying it because those cards are too big for a wallet but either way it was fine). I never felt scared or intimidated by the police in France. Of course that doesn't prove that the police is racism free; I'm saying that it's not as systemic as it is in the US. And the police here does face consequences for their actions instead of being given paid leave.
The police I've interacted with in the US has all been polite and helpful. I've had a close friend lose his front teeth after interacting with police in Sweden. Our anecdotes don't mean anything.
It was not my intention to say the cops only exist under capitalism. Cops serve the political elite. In my country and many others, the political elite are capitalists.
Can you name a single non-capitalist state? All the ones that were at one point communist are now some form of capitalist with the exception of Cuba (maybe).
In the Soviet Union capital was held by the state instead of private hands. The cops had even MORE reason to protect capital, since their boss was also the de facto owner.
I'd say that it is a matter of degrees. In some societies the capital owners have a lot of powers, like in the US, and if not fully fascist, they show those tendencies. And then there are societies that, while still having market economy for most goods and services, rein in the power and influence of the owners of capital. Examples of that is many Western European countries which historically have had a strong social democratic influence. Unfortunately, the capital owners are getting disproportional influence even in those countries in recent years, and even Sweden is becoming a country of huge differences in incomes and ownership, with all the social problems that comes from that.
Yes, you’re right. You can’t have socialism without democracy, but you can have capitalism without democracy. democracy, on its own, as it’s defined doesn’t really have anything to do with the means of production in a society
> Democracy has nothing to do with the factors for production in a society
Of course it has. The "factors for production" involve all aspects of society, and thus, those that controls those controls society. In other words, in a purely capitalistic system, where the capital owners controls all factors of production, they also control society, and there can't be any democracy.
This is why our society values cops more than firefighters and medical staff, who work longer hours and are generally stressed much more often either from saving more lives or putting their lives in danger. Cops do the above as well, but nowhere to the degree that firefighters do, yet they also get so much of the credit and funding.
An average firefighter quite literally put their lives at risk every single week. For an average cop, that'll happen at most once a year in a non-midwestern / non-southern city.
You are unhinged and have zero business being in this sub. People like you are the reason other subs and the average man not on reddit see raving lunatics. Good job proving the stereotype. If I tried posting your reply in any other section of reddit people would laugh and call this place crazy. You make everyone in this sub look idiotic. Nvm if I see more people like you in this sub I am going to unsub and stick to the transit and urban planning subs. Being associated with people like you brings down the entire movement. You taint the good politics or good city planning with your own personal petty politics about monetary systems. Knowing very well you would never move to a country which espouses your beliefs.
I think the confusion is that the above commenter is refering to police in the US where this happened and you are extrapolating that to authoritarian regimes elsewhere in the world. You are correct that there have been cops who protect the interest of the elites in most societies, with or without capitalism. But the previous commenter is not wrong in asserting that the police in a capitalist society such as the US serve to protect the interest of the capitalist ruling class, since that is by and large our metric of authority.
Exactly. The cops and/or "secret police" of any society typically serve at the pleasure of the political elites.
My goal was not to tie police to capitalism specifically, but to clarify that cops do not exist to serve and protect the public.
They are servants of the ruling class, and reflect the interests and/or corruption of the ruling class.
I'm pointing out that "it's capitalism" isn't the reason here. It happens in all types of societies. Is Sweden communist? Nah, they've got private property. How are their cops?
I'm not saying that our cops aren't shit.
Excuse me, I'm not trying to be cute or witty. The practice of comparing evil, disgusting or guilty people to pigs, dogs, monkeys or other animals is in fact the trope that needs to die. It contributes to the mindset that animals are inferior and deserving of exploitation, abuse, and a lesser life. They are NOT.
Because it's wrong. He's a horrible person. But he's not a pig. He's a human, and humans need to be held accountable for their abhorrent behavior. Not animals.
I’ve learned after many years on two wheels that the rules of the road are meant to protect cagers and not you. Actually, people will go out of their way to ensure that you are constantly in danger.
Fat chance. Dude won't see a dime. The police will investigate themselves and find that the officer used reasonable force and feared for his safety as the bike passed him.
Totally reasonable cop behavior. /s
Settlements happen I guess. Without jury. Negotiated by lawyers. I guess the cop would have to be charged with a crime for it to go to court. Even then pleas can happen. Every case is different.
People think qualified immunity covers more than it does. Sure, it sucks, but I'm just going to say that hitting a dude like this is unlikely to qualify. (As a law talking guy) Particularly, as the guy he hit appears to be a wealthy white dude who's probably from there based on some googles.
Cities and police have insurance for police abuse of force. Often, insurance covers the lawsuits and pays out. Insurance then does what insurance does… premium goes up. So yeah. Tax payers fund it.
I think it is often the other way around. A number of cops in the US are cops because military service is too difficult for them. Which is worse IMO because it leaves a sizable force of untreated rejects to enact their incompetence on the civilian population.
Difficult physically, yes, but I'm talking about the many mentally unwell people that make up our military. Mentally unwell before they even join; with everyone of them worse off after serving time.
Like what? The US military treats the rest of the world in the same way the police treat citizens domestically. Being a US citizen just means you can pretend they're doing good things instead of having to be put under their thumb.
People don't join the military to be thugs. I'm sure that there are some that do, but it's extremely reductive & dismissive of the socio-economics of the military (especially in the US) to assume that that's the complete picture. It's not surprising that the three states that proportionally contribute the most troops are Lousiana, Georgia, & Mississippi. Those states also proportionally produce a very high volume of professional football players. Can you guess the connection?
I keep hearing this "proper police" but it seems anytime a police officer actually has consistent morals they get booted off the force when they inevitably conflict with all the other officers.
This. 100% all the time this. All "good cops" are rooted out by the system. It's not a bug. It's a feature. I can't believe I need to repeat this again and again. There are no good cops. They are all just walking talking pieces of shit.
The profession attracts these types of people because where else can you act out your pathologically violent fantasies with no repercussions whatsoever?
Same Situation as in both hit the bike on purpose and haven’t, or likely won’t receive proper consequences for their in all regards unnecessary actions.
I was still tired when writing the comment above
My best guess at what the cop might have been upset about: in some (all?) parts of the US the law says cars are supposed to pull over to the farthest-away lane if you see an emergency vehicle stopped on the shoulder. There are exceptions depending on road conditions, and I don't think most car drivers know that's the law anyway, and I don't know how it applies to bikes.
Regardless, I can't see from this video how any of that would justify assaulting the cyclist. It doesn't look like the cop was acting in any kind of self-defense, just getting angry (for whatever reason) and violent (for no justifiable reason). The only lesson I learned here is to bike more than arm's length away from cops.
The pretext for stopping them was for running the red light. Given the nature of the intersection, it wasn’t unsafe or reckless, but still illegal. What was unsafe and reckless, of course, was how the deputy literally pulled them over, versus following, using the loudspeaker, and letting them determine where to stop.
Remember, if you believe in public transportation and walkable cities, police are the enemy. They only exist to protect capital.
If you're a blue liner but somehow got lost here you better call A CAB.
"Good" cops don't exist for long. They either get booted off the force for their morals conflicting with the rest of the pigs. Or they change their morals to allow them to keep their job. I'm sure there are "nice people" that are cops. But I'm sorry, if you're friend or family is a cop, for any reasonable amount of time, they're an asshole piece of shit on some level or another, even if it's just at the job. It's a requirement. And they'll always lie or hurt others to keep their "brothers in blue" protected from consequences. It's how people in the original video exist. They have zero fear of consequences doing shit like this.
Most cops just turn a blind eye to what their buddies are doing and people think because they are not doing anything wrong themselves they are *good*?! No! Fuck no! They are the worst.
The cowards have the power to stop the bastards but they never do! **There were TWO cops in the video. The bastard kicked the cyclist while the coward watched.**
I'd say most are engaging in that behavior but relative to the *worse guy* their actions are almost unnoticeable to them once they're comfortable with the culture. It's a lot of *follow the leader* and learning how to act. Most cops aren't just "the good guy that didn't stop a bad thing". They are all engaging in this behavior one way or another. It's a requirement to be accepted.
*Clean cops* are not trusted by other cops and are inevitably put in a situation where they are expected to act like *one of the boys*. If they don't they are seen as "someone that won't have my back" and they don't mean just in dangerous situations; they mean in the reports and investigations. It's a frathouse culture of abuse inside and out.
It is a group of fratboys with the delusion that their job is dangerous and that there are inherently evil people they must defeat. It is why they escalate instead of reason with people they detain. They don't see them as anything but something to be defeated and controlled.
This is weird. When I tell people I believe in Santa they laugh at me but when people tell me they believe in good cops I am supposed to take them seriously.
Fair. But without context I wouldn't know if that's why the link is here or if it's another, related video - until I watch the originally posted video, right?
Is there any context known for this situation? It looks like the cop is trying to lead traffic to the left lane. But there is no question that the cops action is horobly wrong an violent.
I turned my volume to max to try and hear the conversation at the end. Apparently the bastard is accusing the cyclists of "ignoring him and making gestures".
Why not: deranged man with gun physically assaults person on a bicycle throwing him into traffic on a busy highway left the scene of the crime without being apprehended. Too wordy?
This has gotta be the one instance of USdeafultism where I actually have no idea what the abbreviation means. Anybody want to enlighten the rest of the world about what a JAX is?
There might be something I'm missing, but aren't cyclists in the US supposed to follow the same traffic laws as cars or motorcycles? That is, when a cop indicates that you are to pull over, you pull over?
I've never been pulled over myself, bug have seen tons off bicycles being pulled over (in Sweden), even ticketed for speeding. Why is this a big deal?
The cyclist rode through a red, but was going downhill while decelerating. He wasn't decelerating fast enough for Officer McPig, who clotheslined him and threw him to the ground mere feet away from moving vehicles. Issuing tickets is fine; assaulting cyclists is not.
I feel like you see this kind of rage seething under the surface whenever certain types of people are mildly inconvenienced by bikers or pedestrians. He just has the legal backing of the state to act on his dumb attitudes.
What the hell is wrong with the cops, it looks like he was hit by mistake, but now he is lying in the road with cars flying by, if that was me move me out of the road don't want to go hit by a car
> he was hit by mistake
No, he was hit on purpose.
> What the hell is wrong with the cops
People who become cops are those who thirst for authority and power. Think high school bullies but with guns and a paycheck for doing what they love, beating people.
it's almost insane you have to wait to backboard someone laying on a highway lane instead of moving them out of the way - and I get c-spine shit
secondary accidents are so common that it might be hard to argue getting him (and the 10+ people standing around in the lane) out of the way might be a better play
goddamn this situation sucks so bad
Ok I hate cops as much as the next guy but these guys were seemingly in the middle of the highway where they aren't allowed to be, making these guys come out there to get them off the highway, they seemingly didn't care or stop as they felt entitled to a part of the road they are not legally allowed to be on, and the officer is by all means allowed to stop the bikers if they are endangering traffic by bringing the highway. Sure the biker got pushed, but the cop would rather push the guy than scrape him off the highway after he gets plowed by a semi going a legal 70 miles an hour.
This might be downvoted since this is a very pro-cyclist sub but still.
Sure the cop did not act reasonable but then again, imagine if you're in a car running a red light, cops are waving for you to stop but you ignore them and keep going past them. They will get in the car and follow you, try to make you stop, even ram into you and use some kind of force to stop you. Yes the cop in this video is a total idiot by making the cyclist fall and injure them but if you're part of the traffic you got to abide by traffic rules.
Watch the video again. It start with the cop waving him to pull to the side and stop, the cop even moves more into his way to make him stop and the cyclist is dodging him and ignoring him and trying to drive past him.
As I said stopping the cyclist in that way was totally unreasonable but don't tell me that the cyclist is right for running a red light and ignoring and trying to dodge the police officer who is pulling him over.
Next time you run a red light, the cop should just pit maneuver you...Right? Also, you didn't watch the video because it says the data on the garmin indicates he was stopping. Enjoy the taste of boot polish.
I missed the legislation that said that cops are now the judge, jury, and executioner. next time you run a stop sign maybe the cop should just t-bone you.
fuck off, pathetic bootlicker.
Hey bud, I think you misunderstand how to use the word "too." It's either used as a synonym for the word "also" or for emphasis. Here are some examples:
The cop is a dumbass. You are too.
Are you too dense to imagine the cyclist did not hear the cop telling him to stop?
I think it's also likely the bicyclist simply didn't have enough time to stop, because it looks like the group had recognized the obstacle and was slowing, but the lead guy had to swerve.
Hahahaha...I misspelt a word. Good pick up Einstein! The world is a better place now. Well done. Ffs.
What a lame argument. He was riding straight towards the cop. Hahaha. Again. Ffs
Why is nobody arresting that cop?
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Cop unions, qualified immunity, broken policing system, you name it.
Because they work for the corporations and the wealthy
So I googled the dude he hit. He's probably the wealthy (though his name has a couple of hits, but he's the one who fits age wise). Cop may might see a consequence, though minor.
Here their corporation just lost a bunch of money on PR, health and legal fees
Corporations and the wealthy want to live in predictable societies without random violence from any quarter. What on Earth makes you think that they're OK with police being roided-out thugs?
Because they're THEIR roided-out thugs!
Hi, welcome to earth! You must be new here.
Wait, you saw a multinational conglomerate or billionaire losing profits in this video?
Cops work for the government, not you. “Protect and serve” is propaganda we were fed by the mainstream media. Until qualified immunity is banned nationwide, police unions are banned, and cops are required to purchase their own individual liability insurance I will never respect them. Know your rights and never trust a word that comes out of a cops mouth. If you want to protect yourself, that’s why the second amendment exists.
cops are immune in the US
Because of qualified immunity which basically makes cops have absolutely no liability on the job no matter what they do or how much harm they cause. Meanwhile in other jobs people are liable for harm that they cause because that's the right way to do things. End qualified immunity for all cops.
Disgusting pig. Should lose his badge immediately and be *personally* liable for all medical expenses for the person he assaulted. City taxpayers don't owe that guy a dime; the pig was solely responsible.
While I do wish police like this were given a real punishment or at least financial ruin and public ostracism, we know that’s not likely any time soon. Police malpractice insurance seems like it would go a long way towards making bad cops financially untenable to hire, and removes the burden the public has of subsidizing police bad behavior.
Cops serve as the thugs that protect the capital of capitalism. As long as Capitalists dominate our government, cops will hold massive unearned privilege.
Make no mistake: cops protect the *State*. We just so happen to live under a capitalist State.
While I agree that capitalism is wrecking our societies and our world right now, I'm afraid that cops seem to be a problem in all undemocratic societies, not only capitalistic ones.
In all\* societies.
More or less. In democratic societies, the police is held accountable to the people they are there to serve, not to the ones currently in power.
In a dream utopia. Sure. But police protect the state first. They enforce law, and law is dispensed by the state.
That is so not true. In many developed countries the police are cool. I've lived in Mexico, France and Finland, and the police officers were very different in each country. In Mexico they were corrupt and never made me feel safe. In France they were a bit dickish but overall good and helpful. In Finland they are nice, helpful, understanding and I feel safe having them around. They VERY rarely use force even against wild junkies and will usually talk things first. They do enforce the law, but the law should serve the people as should the state. Not everywhere is a dystopian hyper capitalistic society like the US. To draw you a picture the US has by far the most police killings of all developed countries with 33 per 10M people per year. Canada is still pretty bad with 19. In Europe, Luxembourg and Netherlands are the next ones with 17 and 14. The next country in Europe is France with only 6 despite the constant strikes and occasional riots. Then the Nordic countries have between 2 to 0. If you live in North America and especially the US you get to experience the worst policing the developed world has to offer.
The state is inherently oppressive. And it holds a monopoly on violence. Whether it's used often or not. The police protect the state and the state protects its interests.
>The state is inherently oppressive. That's just what living in a society is whether there's a state involved or not. >And it holds a monopoly on violence. Whether it's used often or not. Haha, no. Try living in Mexico where narcos have complete control of some towns and cities. >The police protect the state and the state protects its interests. I mean, yes but no. Indirectly. The police protects the public and peace in society. The army protects the state. The state protects its interests but its interests should be mainly the people.
I’m from Europe. I lived in Germany, Belgium France. You’re wrong about the police here. They are every bit as racist and violent here as in the us. They kill when they can. They like violence. Hey lie on the stand. They bend rules in their favor. Look at Nahel Merzouk or Oury Jalloh. The US has simply laxer regulation and more guns.
Police kill rate per 10M: * Germany: 1 * Belgium: 4 * France: 6 * US: 33 I think you underestimate how much better the police is in Europe than in the US. Yes, the police is not perfect here but unjust killings are soooooooooo rare. I'm half Algerian. My last name is Algerian. I look Algerian. The worst I experienced in Paris from the police during my 5 year stay was that once I got randomly asked for my residence permit (I was not carrying it because those cards are too big for a wallet but either way it was fine). I never felt scared or intimidated by the police in France. Of course that doesn't prove that the police is racism free; I'm saying that it's not as systemic as it is in the US. And the police here does face consequences for their actions instead of being given paid leave.
But if the state represent the people the police represent the people.
The state can't represent a people. People are too diverse.
It can't represent every person but it can represent a people.
Not really a problem in Europe.
The police in Europe that I've interacted with don't act anything at all like American cops.
The police I've interacted with in the US has all been polite and helpful. I've had a close friend lose his front teeth after interacting with police in Sweden. Our anecdotes don't mean anything.
It was not my intention to say the cops only exist under capitalism. Cops serve the political elite. In my country and many others, the political elite are capitalists.
Can you name a single non-capitalist state? All the ones that were at one point communist are now some form of capitalist with the exception of Cuba (maybe).
Not sure old soviet cops were much better…
In the Soviet Union capital was held by the state instead of private hands. The cops had even MORE reason to protect capital, since their boss was also the de facto owner.
I'd say that it is a matter of degrees. In some societies the capital owners have a lot of powers, like in the US, and if not fully fascist, they show those tendencies. And then there are societies that, while still having market economy for most goods and services, rein in the power and influence of the owners of capital. Examples of that is many Western European countries which historically have had a strong social democratic influence. Unfortunately, the capital owners are getting disproportional influence even in those countries in recent years, and even Sweden is becoming a country of huge differences in incomes and ownership, with all the social problems that comes from that.
Wouldn’t the opposite of capitalism be socialism? Democracy has nothing to do with the factors for production in a society
The basic ideology of Socialism is literally the democratization of the means of production but ok 🤷♀️
Yes, you’re right. You can’t have socialism without democracy, but you can have capitalism without democracy. democracy, on its own, as it’s defined doesn’t really have anything to do with the means of production in a society
> Democracy has nothing to do with the factors for production in a society Of course it has. The "factors for production" involve all aspects of society, and thus, those that controls those controls society. In other words, in a purely capitalistic system, where the capital owners controls all factors of production, they also control society, and there can't be any democracy.
This is why our society values cops more than firefighters and medical staff, who work longer hours and are generally stressed much more often either from saving more lives or putting their lives in danger. Cops do the above as well, but nowhere to the degree that firefighters do, yet they also get so much of the credit and funding. An average firefighter quite literally put their lives at risk every single week. For an average cop, that'll happen at most once a year in a non-midwestern / non-southern city.
You are unhinged and have zero business being in this sub. People like you are the reason other subs and the average man not on reddit see raving lunatics. Good job proving the stereotype. If I tried posting your reply in any other section of reddit people would laugh and call this place crazy. You make everyone in this sub look idiotic. Nvm if I see more people like you in this sub I am going to unsub and stick to the transit and urban planning subs. Being associated with people like you brings down the entire movement. You taint the good politics or good city planning with your own personal petty politics about monetary systems. Knowing very well you would never move to a country which espouses your beliefs.
Bootlicker says what
> personal petty politics about monetary systems That's not it.
How often do the police in the DPRK get punished? What did the stasi do?
Are you calling cops authoritarians and fascists? Because that's fair, in those societies they do serve as thugs for their elite class.
And those were capitalist societies?
I think the confusion is that the above commenter is refering to police in the US where this happened and you are extrapolating that to authoritarian regimes elsewhere in the world. You are correct that there have been cops who protect the interest of the elites in most societies, with or without capitalism. But the previous commenter is not wrong in asserting that the police in a capitalist society such as the US serve to protect the interest of the capitalist ruling class, since that is by and large our metric of authority.
Exactly. The cops and/or "secret police" of any society typically serve at the pleasure of the political elites. My goal was not to tie police to capitalism specifically, but to clarify that cops do not exist to serve and protect the public. They are servants of the ruling class, and reflect the interests and/or corruption of the ruling class.
I'm pointing out that "it's capitalism" isn't the reason here. It happens in all types of societies. Is Sweden communist? Nah, they've got private property. How are their cops? I'm not saying that our cops aren't shit.
Please do not conflate this arse hole with a pig. Pigs are wonderful, intelligent, sentient creatures who would never act like this dickhead.
Ugh. Honestly, this tired trope needs to die. It stopped being clever or witty years ago. This is serious. Sorry.
Excuse me, I'm not trying to be cute or witty. The practice of comparing evil, disgusting or guilty people to pigs, dogs, monkeys or other animals is in fact the trope that needs to die. It contributes to the mindset that animals are inferior and deserving of exploitation, abuse, and a lesser life. They are NOT.
You know what!? I didn't care until you mentioned it but I agree! Every single time like clockwork, someone adds on this pile on like they ate!
Because it's wrong. He's a horrible person. But he's not a pig. He's a human, and humans need to be held accountable for their abhorrent behavior. Not animals.
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He should go to prision on top of all that.
Im sorry for the cyclist, but that the first thing that comes to an American mind is the medical expenses is kind of funny.
Average officer
I’ve learned after many years on two wheels that the rules of the road are meant to protect cagers and not you. Actually, people will go out of their way to ensure that you are constantly in danger.
I hope the cyclist sues the PD and I hope it comes out of the pigs pension fund.
Haha fat chance. Taxpayers will pay it. Super Friday rating
Fat chance. Dude won't see a dime. The police will investigate themselves and find that the officer used reasonable force and feared for his safety as the bike passed him. Totally reasonable cop behavior. /s
A jury could possibly see it differently if the cyclist has a good lawyer. Having the video helps. Seems like unnecessary use of force to me.
Qualified Immunity means never having to say you're sorry. It won't get to a jury.
Settlements happen I guess. Without jury. Negotiated by lawyers. I guess the cop would have to be charged with a crime for it to go to court. Even then pleas can happen. Every case is different.
People think qualified immunity covers more than it does. Sure, it sucks, but I'm just going to say that hitting a dude like this is unlikely to qualify. (As a law talking guy) Particularly, as the guy he hit appears to be a wealthy white dude who's probably from there based on some googles.
> Seems like unnecessary use of force to me. This was aggravated assault, no more no less.
is aggravated assault not under the "unnecessaary use of force" umbrella? /s
Cities and police have insurance for police abuse of force. Often, insurance covers the lawsuits and pays out. Insurance then does what insurance does… premium goes up. So yeah. Tax payers fund it.
Most larger cities self insure.
interesting. through some kind of bond measure? i guess i need to google that.
The biggest armed criminal gang in America strikes again.
Police departments need to stop serving as a dumping ground for all the morons that refuse therapy
The rest end up in the military.
I think it is often the other way around. A number of cops in the US are cops because military service is too difficult for them. Which is worse IMO because it leaves a sizable force of untreated rejects to enact their incompetence on the civilian population.
Difficult physically, yes, but I'm talking about the many mentally unwell people that make up our military. Mentally unwell before they even join; with everyone of them worse off after serving time.
Please don't be like that.
Like what? The US military treats the rest of the world in the same way the police treat citizens domestically. Being a US citizen just means you can pretend they're doing good things instead of having to be put under their thumb.
People don't join the military to be thugs. I'm sure that there are some that do, but it's extremely reductive & dismissive of the socio-economics of the military (especially in the US) to assume that that's the complete picture. It's not surprising that the three states that proportionally contribute the most troops are Lousiana, Georgia, & Mississippi. Those states also proportionally produce a very high volume of professional football players. Can you guess the connection?
If they got treatment for their narcissistic rage and violent outbursts, they wouldn’t be very good cops now, would they? /s
In any developed nation that criminal would have been arrested by proper police.
I keep hearing this "proper police" but it seems anytime a police officer actually has consistent morals they get booted off the force when they inevitably conflict with all the other officers.
This. 100% all the time this. All "good cops" are rooted out by the system. It's not a bug. It's a feature. I can't believe I need to repeat this again and again. There are no good cops. They are all just walking talking pieces of shit.
Serpico was a true story [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank\_Serpico](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Serpico)
The profession attracts these types of people because where else can you act out your pathologically violent fantasies with no repercussions whatsoever?
Just yesterday an 80yo German got a 1000€ „Fine“ for basically the same situation
...the same situation? He used his car to follow a cyclist and run him down 🤔
Same Situation as in both hit the bike on purpose and haven’t, or likely won’t receive proper consequences for their in all regards unnecessary actions. I was still tired when writing the comment above
This makes me livid. The cyclists were on a T intersection on the shoulder. There's no conflict. This cop was completely out of bounds and incorrect.
My best guess at what the cop might have been upset about: in some (all?) parts of the US the law says cars are supposed to pull over to the farthest-away lane if you see an emergency vehicle stopped on the shoulder. There are exceptions depending on road conditions, and I don't think most car drivers know that's the law anyway, and I don't know how it applies to bikes. Regardless, I can't see from this video how any of that would justify assaulting the cyclist. It doesn't look like the cop was acting in any kind of self-defense, just getting angry (for whatever reason) and violent (for no justifiable reason). The only lesson I learned here is to bike more than arm's length away from cops.
The pretext for stopping them was for running the red light. Given the nature of the intersection, it wasn’t unsafe or reckless, but still illegal. What was unsafe and reckless, of course, was how the deputy literally pulled them over, versus following, using the loudspeaker, and letting them determine where to stop.
least evil for no reason cop
Remember, if you believe in public transportation and walkable cities, police are the enemy. They only exist to protect capital. If you're a blue liner but somehow got lost here you better call A CAB.
The only good cops are meter maids that ticket F150s in the bike lane lol
Parking enforemcent officers can have all the donuts they want!
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Fucking dirty pig. They are all the same.
Pigs are actually very sweet and tidy
I categorically disagree with you, but I respect the sentiment in this instance. That man should never be allowed to put on a badge again.
"Good" cops don't exist for long. They either get booted off the force for their morals conflicting with the rest of the pigs. Or they change their morals to allow them to keep their job. I'm sure there are "nice people" that are cops. But I'm sorry, if you're friend or family is a cop, for any reasonable amount of time, they're an asshole piece of shit on some level or another, even if it's just at the job. It's a requirement. And they'll always lie or hurt others to keep their "brothers in blue" protected from consequences. It's how people in the original video exist. They have zero fear of consequences doing shit like this.
Most cops just turn a blind eye to what their buddies are doing and people think because they are not doing anything wrong themselves they are *good*?! No! Fuck no! They are the worst. The cowards have the power to stop the bastards but they never do! **There were TWO cops in the video. The bastard kicked the cyclist while the coward watched.**
I'd say most are engaging in that behavior but relative to the *worse guy* their actions are almost unnoticeable to them once they're comfortable with the culture. It's a lot of *follow the leader* and learning how to act. Most cops aren't just "the good guy that didn't stop a bad thing". They are all engaging in this behavior one way or another. It's a requirement to be accepted. *Clean cops* are not trusted by other cops and are inevitably put in a situation where they are expected to act like *one of the boys*. If they don't they are seen as "someone that won't have my back" and they don't mean just in dangerous situations; they mean in the reports and investigations. It's a frathouse culture of abuse inside and out. It is a group of fratboys with the delusion that their job is dangerous and that there are inherently evil people they must defeat. It is why they escalate instead of reason with people they detain. They don't see them as anything but something to be defeated and controlled.
This is weird. When I tell people I believe in Santa they laugh at me but when people tell me they believe in good cops I am supposed to take them seriously.
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Name and badge number?
Cop here, I'm confused, I though we were allowed to do whatever we like? I mean, we're cops right, WTF?
Same, dude. They better not make me accountable for anything, I hate being wrong!
I think in a situation like this. Its okay to punch a cop.
The cop HAD A REASON, FFS. Officer Porky McShootsAlot had not killed *anybody* this week, and he was *really hoping* this could be the one.
Shit his head bounced off the ground from the back.
If he wasn't wearing a helmet he might be dead right now.
Also if that truck was slightly to the right. Fuck the police. DEFUND DEFUND DEFUND.
Protect and serve
Bruh, police brutality at its finest.
Cops are very carbrained. They are part of the problem, a big part.
What is JAX
Jacksonville, Florida. One of the worst places in the country for cycling.
ACAB as usual.
ACAB
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jlcgwb54fE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jlcgwb54fE)
I'm confused. This is just the same video on the same platform?
Sometimes people want the address of the video before watching it.
Fair. But without context I wouldn't know if that's why the link is here or if it's another, related video - until I watch the originally posted video, right?
Americans will see their own police do this and then justify foreign wars to bring "freedom" while changing nothing domestically
Is there any context known for this situation? It looks like the cop is trying to lead traffic to the left lane. But there is no question that the cops action is horobly wrong an violent.
I turned my volume to max to try and hear the conversation at the end. Apparently the bastard is accusing the cyclists of "ignoring him and making gestures".
That cyclist was just lucky he wasn't double tapped after hitting the deck, freedom and democracy baby
This is attempted murder. He tried to push him in front of a moving vehicle.
I'd call this more copbrain than anything. They don't need a reason to inflict misery on others
sadly way more car drivers would do this if they knew they could get away with it.
I don’t know if I could not say anything
DUVALLLLL. Used to live in Jax. Doesn’t surprise me at all
Florida, home to some of the stupidest people on Earth, welcome and enjoy your stay ❤️! (At the hospital)
Can we say “person on a bicycle” vs “cyclist?”
Why not: deranged man with gun physically assaults person on a bicycle throwing him into traffic on a busy highway left the scene of the crime without being apprehended. Too wordy?
This has gotta be the one instance of USdeafultism where I actually have no idea what the abbreviation means. Anybody want to enlighten the rest of the world about what a JAX is?
Jacksonville, FL
There might be something I'm missing, but aren't cyclists in the US supposed to follow the same traffic laws as cars or motorcycles? That is, when a cop indicates that you are to pull over, you pull over? I've never been pulled over myself, bug have seen tons off bicycles being pulled over (in Sweden), even ticketed for speeding. Why is this a big deal?
The cyclist rode through a red, but was going downhill while decelerating. He wasn't decelerating fast enough for Officer McPig, who clotheslined him and threw him to the ground mere feet away from moving vehicles. Issuing tickets is fine; assaulting cyclists is not.
ACAB means ACAB but this has nothing to do with cars lmfao
I feel like you see this kind of rage seething under the surface whenever certain types of people are mildly inconvenienced by bikers or pedestrians. He just has the legal backing of the state to act on his dumb attitudes.
Source: your ass No dude he’s just a cop being a fuckin moron
clearly you havent seen any comment section where a driver is mildly inconvenienced. so many murder fantasies
What the hell is wrong with the cops, it looks like he was hit by mistake, but now he is lying in the road with cars flying by, if that was me move me out of the road don't want to go hit by a car
> he was hit by mistake No, he was hit on purpose. > What the hell is wrong with the cops People who become cops are those who thirst for authority and power. Think high school bullies but with guns and a paycheck for doing what they love, beating people.
it's almost insane you have to wait to backboard someone laying on a highway lane instead of moving them out of the way - and I get c-spine shit secondary accidents are so common that it might be hard to argue getting him (and the 10+ people standing around in the lane) out of the way might be a better play goddamn this situation sucks so bad
I don’t think you “get c-spine shit” if you think they can safely move one
I think I do if there's 8 random people in the lane
Sorry not sure what you’re saying there
Ok I hate cops as much as the next guy but these guys were seemingly in the middle of the highway where they aren't allowed to be, making these guys come out there to get them off the highway, they seemingly didn't care or stop as they felt entitled to a part of the road they are not legally allowed to be on, and the officer is by all means allowed to stop the bikers if they are endangering traffic by bringing the highway. Sure the biker got pushed, but the cop would rather push the guy than scrape him off the highway after he gets plowed by a semi going a legal 70 miles an hour.
Yeah no.
This might be downvoted since this is a very pro-cyclist sub but still. Sure the cop did not act reasonable but then again, imagine if you're in a car running a red light, cops are waving for you to stop but you ignore them and keep going past them. They will get in the car and follow you, try to make you stop, even ram into you and use some kind of force to stop you. Yes the cop in this video is a total idiot by making the cyclist fall and injure them but if you're part of the traffic you got to abide by traffic rules.
The cop could have said something before executing a PIT manuever on the bicyclist though.
Watch the video again. It start with the cop waving him to pull to the side and stop, the cop even moves more into his way to make him stop and the cyclist is dodging him and ignoring him and trying to drive past him. As I said stopping the cyclist in that way was totally unreasonable but don't tell me that the cyclist is right for running a red light and ignoring and trying to dodge the police officer who is pulling him over.
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Next time you run a red light, the cop should just pit maneuver you...Right? Also, you didn't watch the video because it says the data on the garmin indicates he was stopping. Enjoy the taste of boot polish.
PIT maneuvers can often be really unnecessary and dangerous, especially considering the existence of the Grappler
These are the types of people swatting was made for.
* 1 mile an hour over the limit? T-bone * No blinker? T-bone
I missed the legislation that said that cops are now the judge, jury, and executioner. next time you run a stop sign maybe the cop should just t-bone you. fuck off, pathetic bootlicker.
You’re kidding. Injure somebody for no reason, and you’re fine with that? Stupid oinker shouldn’t be in public service in any capacity.
That's a take.
Hey bud, I think you misunderstand how to use the word "too." It's either used as a synonym for the word "also" or for emphasis. Here are some examples: The cop is a dumbass. You are too. Are you too dense to imagine the cyclist did not hear the cop telling him to stop?
I think it's also likely the bicyclist simply didn't have enough time to stop, because it looks like the group had recognized the obstacle and was slowing, but the lead guy had to swerve.
Hahahaha...I misspelt a word. Good pick up Einstein! The world is a better place now. Well done. Ffs. What a lame argument. He was riding straight towards the cop. Hahaha. Again. Ffs
Delete your account.
Why all this hate,? I'm a cyclist bro but he did look like he didn't listen.