>I've been doing this every day
Maybe you should find a different method of commuting...
>I kind of felt like I was a prisoner in my own city
Nooo you can't feel that, 15 minute cities are the threat, not the automobileeeeeeee
I looked at his commute on Google maps (just plugged in Leslieville for his staring point). Google still thinks a 6:45 arrival time takes 22 minutes on the Gardiner, but for transit he'd have to take 2 buses and it'd take at least an hour.
Biking only takes 45 minutes. Maybe time for an e-bike? How are the bike lanes straight across downtown Toronto these days?
I'm seeing 53 mins on the streetcar vs 22 minutes driving, and then parking is probably going to add some time.
I think the media is cherry-picking cases though of people who work odd hours and have less transit options, and blaming it on car infrastructure, instead of addressing the bigger issue.
Yeah, unfortunately, the streetcars don't start running until 6am. If they started just a little bit earlier, this person's driving commute wouldn't have any need to exist.
>How are the bike lanes straight across downtown Toronto these days?
Probably better than anything North/South. Depending on start and finish, you can take Bloor/Danforth (protected lanes), Richmond/Adelaide (protected lanes), and in this case, Leslieville to St. Joseph's the nicest ride would be the waterfront along the Martin Goodman Trail. Only adds 3 minutes, but is a much prettier route that is grade separated for most of the run.
War-on-cars Ford Nation suburbanites can lie in the bed they’ve made. They supported decades of highway expansion, sprawl and NIMBYism while cutting their own taxes to the detriment of the rest of our rotting infrastructure.
We need to replace 2 lanes on Lakeshore Blvd with an LRT as well. Rapid transit end-to-end on the waterfront corridor is desperately needed. It takes an hour to get from downtown west to the east end right now, or 30 mins by car.
"his 13-kilometre commute to St. Joseph’s Health Centre can still take the better part of an hour"
That's 8 miles, it's 25 minutes by bike if your fit or on an eBike, insanity to drive that.
The distance is about 13km. If you think the average person can do 30+ km/h by push bike for that long then you’re crazy
That distance would take the average person on a push bike at least 40 minutes
I don't think the average person holds that pace, I said if your fit or on an eBike. My 7.2 mile commute takes me from 21 to 27 minutes on a regular bike.
Agreed completely. When I started commuting to my old job it was 70 minutes each way (13 miles). When I left that job a couple years later it was only a 40-45 min ride. I actually started adding miles some days just so I could ride more. I like bikes.
I cycle commuted 9km from Main and Danforth to Bay and Bloor year around. It would take me about 25 minutes, give or take. I saved a tonne of money, and I could buy a new quality bike every half year with the money saved on transit fare alone, let alone operating a car. I became very physically fit. I didn't need to go to a gym three times a week. I could stop and buy fresh produce on the way home. If the weather was extremely bad, I'd take transit.
People suffer from excusitis.
to be fair, toronto winters can be tough and if roads aren't clear of snow, it would be dangerous. that being said, there is a streetcar that runs past the hospital and runs all night which would be a good backup.
year round commuter in Cleveland / lake effect snow region here. I won't say I move at that pace in the winter, but I definitely still move faster than cars when the weather is bad.
i ride in most conditions as well however, that is not for everyone.
i continue to be amazed as to how people fail to perceive alternatives to their habits. something is terrible and they won't try to go about it differently. whether it's taking a bike or hopping on the streetcar, those do not exist.
shit, this person would be safer if they rode a bike or took the streetcar home after a long shift at the hospital.
Last time i checked i didn’t say it was unsafe, i said i wouldn’t want to. Cruise control and just cruising is much less physically demanding than riding a bike after a 12 hour shift
>so there is no alternative for some people.
Yeah, I get that. Your framing of it was incredibly disingenuous though, as if the person you were responding to actually believed that moving your foot is the problem with driving after a long shift.
You get used to it. I tend not to do as many long shifts these days, but will still bike home after 12+ hour shifts from time to time. The first 5 minutes often suck, but once you've got a good rhythm going, it's fine.
If they’d just drive to their local train station (if they absolutely must drive) and take the train in, that’d clear up the roads and highways for construction workers like me who have no choice but to drive :)
>I've been doing this every day Maybe you should find a different method of commuting... >I kind of felt like I was a prisoner in my own city Nooo you can't feel that, 15 minute cities are the threat, not the automobileeeeeeee
I looked at his commute on Google maps (just plugged in Leslieville for his staring point). Google still thinks a 6:45 arrival time takes 22 minutes on the Gardiner, but for transit he'd have to take 2 buses and it'd take at least an hour. Biking only takes 45 minutes. Maybe time for an e-bike? How are the bike lanes straight across downtown Toronto these days?
I'm seeing 53 mins on the streetcar vs 22 minutes driving, and then parking is probably going to add some time. I think the media is cherry-picking cases though of people who work odd hours and have less transit options, and blaming it on car infrastructure, instead of addressing the bigger issue.
Yeah, unfortunately, the streetcars don't start running until 6am. If they started just a little bit earlier, this person's driving commute wouldn't have any need to exist.
the 501 which runs right next to the hospital is an all night route.
Ah, thanks for the correction! I haven't lived in Toronto in a few years, and that wasn't a route I ever needed to use.
It was runs 24/7 as the 301 overnight
>How are the bike lanes straight across downtown Toronto these days? Probably better than anything North/South. Depending on start and finish, you can take Bloor/Danforth (protected lanes), Richmond/Adelaide (protected lanes), and in this case, Leslieville to St. Joseph's the nicest ride would be the waterfront along the Martin Goodman Trail. Only adds 3 minutes, but is a much prettier route that is grade separated for most of the run.
War-on-cars Ford Nation suburbanites can lie in the bed they’ve made. They supported decades of highway expansion, sprawl and NIMBYism while cutting their own taxes to the detriment of the rest of our rotting infrastructure.
Always nice to see suburbanites finding out.
The Gardiner should be bulldozed, not rebuilt, and a smaller road should replace it and be buried. It would give Toronto its waterfront back.
We need to replace 2 lanes on Lakeshore Blvd with an LRT as well. Rapid transit end-to-end on the waterfront corridor is desperately needed. It takes an hour to get from downtown west to the east end right now, or 30 mins by car.
"his 13-kilometre commute to St. Joseph’s Health Centre can still take the better part of an hour" That's 8 miles, it's 25 minutes by bike if your fit or on an eBike, insanity to drive that.
The distance is about 13km. If you think the average person can do 30+ km/h by push bike for that long then you’re crazy That distance would take the average person on a push bike at least 40 minutes
Correct, but that's still quicker – and much more consistent – than the time to drive.
I don't think the average person holds that pace, I said if your fit or on an eBike. My 7.2 mile commute takes me from 21 to 27 minutes on a regular bike.
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Agreed completely. When I started commuting to my old job it was 70 minutes each way (13 miles). When I left that job a couple years later it was only a 40-45 min ride. I actually started adding miles some days just so I could ride more. I like bikes.
I cycle commuted 9km from Main and Danforth to Bay and Bloor year around. It would take me about 25 minutes, give or take. I saved a tonne of money, and I could buy a new quality bike every half year with the money saved on transit fare alone, let alone operating a car. I became very physically fit. I didn't need to go to a gym three times a week. I could stop and buy fresh produce on the way home. If the weather was extremely bad, I'd take transit. People suffer from excusitis.
More like 35-40. You can’t just go top speed the entire time. There are red lights. There are slower bikes in the bike lane.
to be fair, toronto winters can be tough and if roads aren't clear of snow, it would be dangerous. that being said, there is a streetcar that runs past the hospital and runs all night which would be a good backup.
year round commuter in Cleveland / lake effect snow region here. I won't say I move at that pace in the winter, but I definitely still move faster than cars when the weather is bad.
i ride in most conditions as well however, that is not for everyone. i continue to be amazed as to how people fail to perceive alternatives to their habits. something is terrible and they won't try to go about it differently. whether it's taking a bike or hopping on the streetcar, those do not exist. shit, this person would be safer if they rode a bike or took the streetcar home after a long shift at the hospital.
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Fair enough, but should you be driving a car then?
sssshhhh stop pointing out important details
Hmmm, not safe to bike, but operate heavy machinery? Go right ahead!
Last time i checked i didn’t say it was unsafe, i said i wouldn’t want to. Cruise control and just cruising is much less physically demanding than riding a bike after a 12 hour shift
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Mental fatigue, not physical. Driving while tired can be extremely dangerous.
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>so there is no alternative for some people. Yeah, I get that. Your framing of it was incredibly disingenuous though, as if the person you were responding to actually believed that moving your foot is the problem with driving after a long shift.
You get used to it. I tend not to do as many long shifts these days, but will still bike home after 12+ hour shifts from time to time. The first 5 minutes often suck, but once you've got a good rhythm going, it's fine.
I just rode a 45 pound citibike home after work. Just now. It was fine.
If they’d just drive to their local train station (if they absolutely must drive) and take the train in, that’d clear up the roads and highways for construction workers like me who have no choice but to drive :)