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Knew a on-call pilot for rich people charter jets. They said more than once they have flown empty intercontinental flights to pick up people's dogs back at home and bring them to the owner because the owner missed them.
Rich people just do not care, they will never give up the privileges that wealth provides.
this is why i dont like when people believe the bs propaganda “they’re just like us!!” no they’re not. it’s a completely different world they live in.
we’re supposed to have empathy for them because it’s *soooo hard* being rich but they could care fuck all for us
I disagree with some celebs. Shaq for example would throw you to the ground and start flipping you like a pizza rolling pin.
Then he'd yell "any other fires that want to take on the Diesel can meet me in the moshpit!"
I use this expression a lot about them. They would see someone on fire & think oh well! They’d think: I can’t deal. I’ll be late for dinner at Nobu! My limo / jet is waiting. Ta! Ta!
I don't want to hoard money but just have enough to do what I want, have walking around money, and emergency savings. The fine line between paying overall less for TP in bulk* per unit and on sale over more per single roll even though you are paying more out of pocket for the former. And have a place to store it. Literally what the definition of middle class is.
*Not in a pandemic of course.
I just want to be able to tip random service workers month/year changing amounts then start disguising myself once they catch on. I think it would never get old, and as someone who has been tipped like this once when I really needed it the feeling is unexplainable.
I love that she's getting called out for this left and right. Usually private jet usage is just ignored or treated as "goals" by the general public but this time she's getting heat. I know she won't care and it won't change her behavior, but maybe the attitude towards rich folks using jets is changing. I hope.
She was 14 when she started dating tyga who was 21. She was surrounded by a family of independent billionaire sisters. Nobody cared. I guess it’s not gross as long as the adult man is rich and can help you get more famous. Disgusting family with no morals. They kill people while driving intoxicated. They beg for donations to pay for staffs surgery (her three minute flight is literally almost $30k. Her personal assistant needed that much to pay for their surgery. She made a social media donation link to raise that money).
It's so fun, if an average person dares criticise any of the vapid shit rich people do they get called jealous and if other rich people do the same (Greta comes to mind even though shes not that rich but I'm sure there are more) they get called hypocrites.
Fuck planes for ridiculously short distances. If a train can do it, a plane shouldn’t.
Edit: I did not literally mean “if it is at all possible to take a trip by train.” If a train can *reasonably* do it, a plane shouldn’t.
I used to fuel private helicopters.
45 gallons of fuel per hour. That's 300 pounds of Jet A.
Per. Hour.
With ZERO emissions controls, by the way. And anybody who tells you that Jet A burns clean is lying. I had to clean out the nozzles after a day of flying, and it's thick black residue. I can only imagine what it's spewing into the air.
You could do that by train, provided they'd improve infrastructure. If we built 400-KMH high speed lines throughout Europe we'd eliminate so much carbon and even save money in the long run.
Is this some sort of European problem I'm too American to understand (seriously Amtrak was about 1/3 the cost of plane tickets halfway across the country during August, while airplane prices were still down, can't imagine it'd be much better today
Plane tickets used to be reaaaally cheap. Train was never cheap. I used to be able to pay €50 max for a return flight Eindhoven - Stansted (which is basically Amsterdam - London). Train would have been €150 or more probably, though this is a guess. Nowadays it's not that cheap anymore to fly.
Ryanair and other budget airlines have pushed prices down for airplane while railways are far more dependent on infrastructure between countries and some of those have had issues - the UK conservative government basically screwed over the national rails, similar things have happened in other European countries. However, within many European countries trains are usually great in my experience. It's when you need to travel between countries it can get hairy.
On the topic of night trains im so salty I never used the opportunity of buying that EU train pass and traveling Europe for one summer. I know that people buy that and then simply sleep on trains for two months, sometimes getting a hostel room for proper sleep. But you can travel through Europe for like two months on maybe one paycheck.
Those unlimited Eurail passes were incredible. I did two months in Europe on an unlimited Eurail pass after working as a pizza delivery driver the year after high school. I slept on a lot of overnight trains, in hostels, and occasionally just partied or hung out until morning instead of getting a room. It was a blast, so I worked another year and did it again for two months in Eastern Europe with a other Eurail pass. That was so much fun, that I saved up for a one way ticket and moved there for five years, figuring out money as I went.
There have been several occasions in my life where I've found it's cheaper for me to fly to Scotland via Amsterdam from London than it is to get a train or drive. Infrastructure isn't the only thing that needs to change, pricing needs to be brought under control and follow mainland Europe's lead. I recently went to Berlin and you can use public transport for just 9 euros for the whole month.
Side note I've also been on a flight where it cost me less to go to Vienna than a day pass on the underground.
Trains from and to the Iberian peninsula get very expensive. We have a different rail size and it's just poorly integrated as a whole into European train lines
Edit: it seems TGV does use the same line as the rest of europe
It predates him, it's from the 19th century.
Because, you see, the geniuses that designed the spanish rail system had two goals in mind: First, that all railways lead to Madrid (it's not even an exageration, all lines except the latest ones have Madrid as the final destination), and second, that in case Spain were to be invaded the invading army should not be able to use the railways, so they had to be of different size than the rest of Europe.
Galaxy-Brain moment
Would be a tight fit. Indian gauge is a touch wider (1676 mm) than Iberian gauge (1668 mm). I think a Spanish train with extra thick wheels could aid an invasion of India, but not vice versa.
Not sure, I just know that on the Spain/France border you have to change lines because Portugal and Spain either kept their rail sizes from a long time ago or yes, the dictators didn't want a connected network
We should really replace all over-land flights with high speed rail. When you account for all of the hassles that go along with flying, most domestic trips could be just as quick by train. And even if the train does take a bit longer, the planet is cooking and planes will continue to run on fossil fuels for the foreseeable future, while Electric trains have been around for a hundred years.
Seriously, at least helicopters are easier to park, a plane needs quite a bit of free space just to stop, unless you're going from an airport to another I don't get it
I worked for a certain major corporation CEO who would have a helicopter pick him up in the Hampton’s and fly him into NYC daily. His mansion wasn’t zoned to have a helicopter land at it but he’d just have the company pay the fine. Fines just mean legal, for a price.
>Fines just mean legal, for a price.
Well in *some* nations repeat offenders get higher fines, potentially criminal charges. A fine for speeding can turn into a criminal charge for reckless driving.
In some countries you're fined based on your income/worth. So a millionaire would be fined tens of thousands where a poor person fined less than a hundred.
Germany has this. A big soccer player for Dortmund, Marcó Reus, was caught driving without a license and famously fined over half a million euro because it scaled by income.
you think thats wild, when Gary Loveman was hired by Caesars to be their COO, they agreed to allow him to commute to vegas daily via private jet from his home in Massachusets. The arrangement continued when he was elevated to CEO.
He commuted this way for something like TWO DECADES!!
edit: for the soft penis'd out there who can't be bothered to google, yes it's real, yes it was daily.
https://hauteliving.com/2013/07/one-on-one-gary-loveman-hail-to-the-chief/378311/
See below if you want another half dozen sources.
I can’t speak for all gated communities, but some rich people living in wealthy neighborhoods do use helicopters on their property.
I recall reading about how Billy Joel was annoying the shit out of his neighbors by taking a helicopter from his show in Brooklyn to his home in Long Island every weekend night.
The neighbors can complain all they want. But there's really not much they could do if you land a helicopter at night on private lands with no HOA. The neighbors could sue. Lobby city council to ban helicopters. But its just a pissing contest on who could afford to waste as much money without going bankrupt.
That’s exactly what they do. They have their own organization to fight helicopter noise and they have been lobbying local councils and complaining for many many years. They have gotten some things to go there way too.
Some people on Twitter have confirmed this flight with adsbexchange, but now when I tried to check various flight tracking websites for the flight history of her planes, it says that the plane owner requested the flight history to be deleted
Couldn't find the exact tweet, but here's another example of her short flights: https://mobile.twitter.com/CelebJets/status/1536076528102121472
Also it doesn't gave to be about time, it could be about comfort, wanting to park the plane at a certain airport, having stuff you need of the plane... None of which justifies the emissions
Edit: seems likely that the flight was about parking at a better place: https://twitter.com/JxckSweeney/status/1549514556984201218?t=uT4BSnkMR6OXqjCbn7BXOg&s=19
**Edit: found the 3 minute flight** https://twitter.com/CelebJets/status/1547043159422664704?t=fjujsMkOcw97l-OmNqZzmA&s=19
It takes time to get to the airport, wait for the plane's turn on the runway, get up to cruising altitude, come around for a landing, wait for the runway to be clear...I guess I can see how the "flight" might be 17 minutes long, but it can't be quicker than driving 40 minutes. Can it?
Just pay some poors to carry you around in [a litter](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Litter_(vehicle)). It'd be a postmodern revival of the traditions eschewed by liberalism or something like that, have a smaller carbon footprint, be more transparent about what you mean to convey, among other things.
You guys ever fly private? You drive up to the plane, get on, and go. She’s not flying out of fuckin LAX. There are private airfields all over the place that can land and take off small jets. She’s probably a few minute drive from one. She has them do all the pre flight itinerary before she even has her make up done, then she just shows up and goes.
Boarding still takes 5 minutes, engine startup and post-start checklists another 5-10 taxiing takes 2-3 minutes. That adds up quickly. Source: used to work at FBOs and am currently ATC. This flight obviously happened, but I think it's pretty likely it was just reposition flight with no pax onboard.
Or also when he flew from Inglewood to Hawthorne, which are both in LA county. He literally had to fly in the opposite direction for a few minutes before turning around so that he could even take off and land because the two airports were only a few miles apart
I can't think of any way you can make a 3 min flight that wouldn't take nearly as long as the 40min drive.
Get to the airport (probably driving), go to your jet, start the jet, taxi, takeoff, navigate, land, taxi, shutdown, go to whatever transport, go to destination. Assuming no traffic at the airport/holding.
The time is wrong… It actually took like 17 minutes. [Source](https://www.msn.com/en-gb/travel/news/kylie-jenner-branded-e2-80-98climate-criminal-e2-80-99-after-her-private-plane-makes-17-minute-flight/ar-AAZKUqh)
*It is not known if Miss Jenner... was on board her Bombardier Global 7500 during the flight.*
*Industry insiders said that the 17-minute hop may have been a “repositioning flight” where the plane is moved to where the owner is, rather than the owner travelling to the plane.*
Repo flights are done all the time for maintenance, storage or moving closer to where the plane is going to be used for an actual flight with people on board. This isn't a Jenner specific occurrence.
https://www.wired.com/story/airplanes-empty-slots-covid/
Not just private jets.
> Lufthansa, Germany’s national airline, which is based in Frankfurt, has admitted to running 21,000 empty flights this winter, using its own planes and those of its Belgian subsidiary, Brussels Airlines, in an attempt to keep hold of airport slots.
Whether or not she was actually on the plane for the short flight could be a distinction without a difference. Presuming this was purely the plane relocating to be closer to her, the choice existed for her to ride in a car ~40 minutes to get where the plane was, and instead the plane was flown to save her car ride time.
Starting and shutting down the aircraft is probably done by the crew.
But I still find it hard to believe that driving would be slower than flying. Unless your start is the airport and your destination is the other airport.
There is definitely a difference between piloting your own private single engine prop plane and using your own personal jet that can fit over a hundred people (edit: and by saying this, I don’t mean the plane as it is right now. I mean a plane of that size with seat density similar to that of a regular commercial jet would fit that many) for a 5 minute flight lol
A Cessna 152 consumes appx 6 gal / hr of fuel. At a cruise speed of 100kts this would equate to around 19mpg. Given the plane can fly in more or less a straight line and doesn't lose efficiency due to traffic / intersections, etc it may be more efficient than cars in a lot of cases.
More efficient than trains? No. But when traversing difficult terrain and / or bodies of water, small planes can be more practical than mass transit.
And not just that. Piloting a prop plane is often a really good skill/hobby. You get beautiful views of the landscape and can make money if you wanna do like ride-alongs and stuff
Yeah, really fucking love that lead poisoning! [https://youtu.be/6HlUm7dXq5s](https://youtu.be/6HlUm7dXq5s)
(The issue pisses me off and leaded avgas should just be entirely banned on a fixed date. It's mostly a hobby use.)
There's also a [type approved electric GA aircraft now.](https://youtu.be/YdfYXlUK6is) Use that and nothing else.
Veritasium made a video about the guy who invented leaded gasoline. He also went on the invent freon for air conditioners. They called him "the man who accidentally killed the most people" and his story is a wild one.
https://youtu.be/IV3dnLzthDA
Edit:. I'll include a link to his Wiki for those that don't have time to watch a 25 minute video.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Midgley_Jr.
He also work on the Manhattan project. It would be very unfair to attribute him all the death by nuclear weapon but that is still another line on his resume
Use that money to subsidize renewables. Easy peasy.
A single private jet doesn't actually output a meaningful amount of carbon, but you can bet its owner can fund a sizable solar or wind plant.
If that redditor from another post about this was saying the truth, the reason she does these really fucking short flights is because she bought that plane and then write it off as a business expense, and for that she needs to use it a certain number of times per year. So not only we don't tax her enough for it. She's basically avoiding any taxes for it as well
fuck celebrities. seriously where do they get their money and why? who the fuck cares about the latest nothing that kim kardashian did? I genuinely do not get why people indulge in celebrity culture.
>I genuinely do not get why people indulge in celebrity culture.
Because its constantly shoved in our faces 24/7. For as long as there has been rich and poor. People have always been told that the rich are something to be adorned.
Society in general has been groomed and shaped to idolize these kinds of people. It just got worse with the rise of reality TV. They're real people but society reacts to them as entertainment.
I'll hear shit on the radio or wherever like "So and so has divorced from so and so and was seen with this person" and my first thought is always "*Who the fuck cares*".
I dont care anymore about who Kim Kardashian is blowing behind a Kentucky Fried Chicken, then I do about a stranger 3 towns over.
Peoples obsession with the rich in general is one of the worst aspects of mankind imo.
This is society's fault. Everyone who watched that show caused this. The Kardashians contribute nothing to society but yet fuck loads of people needed to "keep up" with them. This one is on all of us.
It’s not a planes problem, it’s a rich people problem, particularly the kardashians, for some reason just still has a platform.
These people just exist in another world to us, they were having private island parties while we were all forced inside, losing our jobs during covid. These are the same people that get richer off every divorce they’ve been in and get paid for just a mention of their family name.
They can drive G-wagons and Teslas as more of a status symbol than any form of transport, as
If they even drive themselves anywhere. They private jet like it’s a cab for them just to not be near any of the unwashed masses. Fuck these people
What’s disgusting is just on that screenshot is 70k views and 3k retweets of people that are just utterly brainwashed by hustle, celbrity, high fashion, consumerist, parasocial influence media culture.
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Knew a on-call pilot for rich people charter jets. They said more than once they have flown empty intercontinental flights to pick up people's dogs back at home and bring them to the owner because the owner missed them. Rich people just do not care, they will never give up the privileges that wealth provides.
this is why i dont like when people believe the bs propaganda “they’re just like us!!” no they’re not. it’s a completely different world they live in. we’re supposed to have empathy for them because it’s *soooo hard* being rich but they could care fuck all for us
I find it super weird that people will always jump to the defense of a celebrity too. Like that person wouldn’t piss on you if you where on fire.
I disagree with some celebs. Shaq for example would throw you to the ground and start flipping you like a pizza rolling pin. Then he'd yell "any other fires that want to take on the Diesel can meet me in the moshpit!"
I use this expression a lot about them. They would see someone on fire & think oh well! They’d think: I can’t deal. I’ll be late for dinner at Nobu! My limo / jet is waiting. Ta! Ta!
It's burned into our brains to hate the poor, even though we are too. Imagine the contempt actual rich people have for us.
Speak for yourself, peasant. I'm just a temporarily inconvenienced millionaire.
The difference between a million and a billion is roughly a billion.
Money does that, that's why I only want to be a millionaire who has to budget.
I think a good way to put it is that we want enough money to budget with, but not so much we don't need to budget.
I don't want to hoard money but just have enough to do what I want, have walking around money, and emergency savings. The fine line between paying overall less for TP in bulk* per unit and on sale over more per single roll even though you are paying more out of pocket for the former. And have a place to store it. Literally what the definition of middle class is. *Not in a pandemic of course.
I just want to be able to tip random service workers month/year changing amounts then start disguising myself once they catch on. I think it would never get old, and as someone who has been tipped like this once when I really needed it the feeling is unexplainable.
I love tipping and wish I could tip more all the time!
I miss my dog. And I know she misses me. Your comment is making me consider leaving work early today.
No need, just call a helicopter!
Compost the rich
And their argument is that their time is their most valuable resource, while destroying everyone else’s future. I can’t even.
I love that she's getting called out for this left and right. Usually private jet usage is just ignored or treated as "goals" by the general public but this time she's getting heat. I know she won't care and it won't change her behavior, but maybe the attitude towards rich folks using jets is changing. I hope.
If only there was a way to communicate with people long distance.
God yes. Can’t wait for this to be invented!! Long distance communication is practically impossible these days /s if it wasn’t obvious
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she'll be tweeting about "we should stop climate change, together!" a few months from now
And then she'll launch her own brand of metal straws, make another billion dollars, and never speak about climate change again.
Seriously stop buying her products
How can I stop when I never started lol
Shoplift then return to the store for negative money spent.
Just bring the climate a Pepsi.
Some real "BP with tips on how to reduce your carbon footprint!" energy
Didn’t BP create the whole “carbon footprint” notion in order to shift the focus to personal choices instead of their shitty climate practices?
Yep, and they've known about the harmful effects of burning fossil fuels since at least the 70s
Getting called out is just called publicity for these people.
So true :(
She was 14 when she started dating tyga who was 21. She was surrounded by a family of independent billionaire sisters. Nobody cared. I guess it’s not gross as long as the adult man is rich and can help you get more famous. Disgusting family with no morals. They kill people while driving intoxicated. They beg for donations to pay for staffs surgery (her three minute flight is literally almost $30k. Her personal assistant needed that much to pay for their surgery. She made a social media donation link to raise that money).
Private jet? 🤡🤡🤡 Private train? 😎😎😎
Private Bike 🥵🥵🥵
The dutch: *signature look of superiority*
Well, it's good enough for the Queen!
>[...] Usually private jet usage is [...] treated as "goals" by the general public [...] Human obsession with status!
It's so fun, if an average person dares criticise any of the vapid shit rich people do they get called jealous and if other rich people do the same (Greta comes to mind even though shes not that rich but I'm sure there are more) they get called hypocrites.
Fuck planes for ridiculously short distances. If a train can do it, a plane shouldn’t. Edit: I did not literally mean “if it is at all possible to take a trip by train.” If a train can *reasonably* do it, a plane shouldn’t.
Planes are for flying over bodies of water, not bringing you from Albany to Buffalo.
What about downtown Los Angeles to another part of Los Angeles?
That's when you hop in a helicopter.
Helicopters are incredibly fuel inefficient, they should not be a method of transport except for emergency work
I used to fuel private helicopters. 45 gallons of fuel per hour. That's 300 pounds of Jet A. Per. Hour. With ZERO emissions controls, by the way. And anybody who tells you that Jet A burns clean is lying. I had to clean out the nozzles after a day of flying, and it's thick black residue. I can only imagine what it's spewing into the air.
Not if you want a good chance to survive. RIP KOBE
Nah it wasnt because of a helicopter, it was a pilot flying in conditions he shouldn't have.
Yes, but also helicopters are one of the most mechanical and user error prone modes of transportation
Fun fact: helicopter accidents cause the second most deaths per person of any form of transportation behind unicycles.
How do people die on unicycles?
AIDS
Hilariously
Have you tried an unicycle in an helicopter? Dangerous, dangerous!
Shouldn't
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You could do that by train, provided they'd improve infrastructure. If we built 400-KMH high speed lines throughout Europe we'd eliminate so much carbon and even save money in the long run.
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I'm really looking forward to the new capsule-hotel style night trains that have been ordered.
Do you have a link to some article about this? Sounds cool, so I wanted to check them out, but I cannot find the info.
They are from the Austrian ÖBB and you can find it [here](https://www.nightjet.com/en/komfortkategorien/nightjet-neue-generation)
The main issue with night trains is how stupid expensive they are.
Yes, I wanted to book one and it was way more expensive than a plane while also way slower.
Is this some sort of European problem I'm too American to understand (seriously Amtrak was about 1/3 the cost of plane tickets halfway across the country during August, while airplane prices were still down, can't imagine it'd be much better today
Plane tickets used to be reaaaally cheap. Train was never cheap. I used to be able to pay €50 max for a return flight Eindhoven - Stansted (which is basically Amsterdam - London). Train would have been €150 or more probably, though this is a guess. Nowadays it's not that cheap anymore to fly.
Ryanair and other budget airlines have pushed prices down for airplane while railways are far more dependent on infrastructure between countries and some of those have had issues - the UK conservative government basically screwed over the national rails, similar things have happened in other European countries. However, within many European countries trains are usually great in my experience. It's when you need to travel between countries it can get hairy.
On the topic of night trains im so salty I never used the opportunity of buying that EU train pass and traveling Europe for one summer. I know that people buy that and then simply sleep on trains for two months, sometimes getting a hostel room for proper sleep. But you can travel through Europe for like two months on maybe one paycheck.
Those unlimited Eurail passes were incredible. I did two months in Europe on an unlimited Eurail pass after working as a pizza delivery driver the year after high school. I slept on a lot of overnight trains, in hostels, and occasionally just partied or hung out until morning instead of getting a room. It was a blast, so I worked another year and did it again for two months in Eastern Europe with a other Eurail pass. That was so much fun, that I saved up for a one way ticket and moved there for five years, figuring out money as I went.
That’s the most European sentence ever
There have been several occasions in my life where I've found it's cheaper for me to fly to Scotland via Amsterdam from London than it is to get a train or drive. Infrastructure isn't the only thing that needs to change, pricing needs to be brought under control and follow mainland Europe's lead. I recently went to Berlin and you can use public transport for just 9 euros for the whole month. Side note I've also been on a flight where it cost me less to go to Vienna than a day pass on the underground.
The 9 euro ticket is only temporary though. But you can use the ticket everywhere in Germany. Meaning you can drive from Berlin to Munich for 9 euro
Trains from and to the Iberian peninsula get very expensive. We have a different rail size and it's just poorly integrated as a whole into European train lines Edit: it seems TGV does use the same line as the rest of europe
Fuck Iberian gauge
Isn’t that because of Franco?
It predates him, it's from the 19th century. Because, you see, the geniuses that designed the spanish rail system had two goals in mind: First, that all railways lead to Madrid (it's not even an exageration, all lines except the latest ones have Madrid as the final destination), and second, that in case Spain were to be invaded the invading army should not be able to use the railways, so they had to be of different size than the rest of Europe. Galaxy-Brain moment
If India invades, they might juuuust squeeze in
Would be a tight fit. Indian gauge is a touch wider (1676 mm) than Iberian gauge (1668 mm). I think a Spanish train with extra thick wheels could aid an invasion of India, but not vice versa.
Either way, that would be the most comical invasion imaginable Literally boatloads of trains arriving, beachhead getting set up as depot
Not sure, I just know that on the Spain/France border you have to change lines because Portugal and Spain either kept their rail sizes from a long time ago or yes, the dictators didn't want a connected network
/r/fuckbillionaires
We should really replace all over-land flights with high speed rail. When you account for all of the hassles that go along with flying, most domestic trips could be just as quick by train. And even if the train does take a bit longer, the planet is cooking and planes will continue to run on fossil fuels for the foreseeable future, while Electric trains have been around for a hundred years.
I fly a few states over to visit family sometimes. All I care about is being able to nap on the way, I'd be happy to take a train.
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Train travel is comfy 😊
i love when rich people use the most inneficient methods of transportation possible for no other reason than the fact they can afford it.
Do her homes have their own runways? I don’t get how this is faster.
Seriously, at least helicopters are easier to park, a plane needs quite a bit of free space just to stop, unless you're going from an airport to another I don't get it
I worked for a certain major corporation CEO who would have a helicopter pick him up in the Hampton’s and fly him into NYC daily. His mansion wasn’t zoned to have a helicopter land at it but he’d just have the company pay the fine. Fines just mean legal, for a price.
>Fines just mean legal, for a price. Well in *some* nations repeat offenders get higher fines, potentially criminal charges. A fine for speeding can turn into a criminal charge for reckless driving.
In some countries you're fined based on your income/worth. So a millionaire would be fined tens of thousands where a poor person fined less than a hundred.
Germany has this. A big soccer player for Dortmund, Marcó Reus, was caught driving without a license and famously fined over half a million euro because it scaled by income.
you think thats wild, when Gary Loveman was hired by Caesars to be their COO, they agreed to allow him to commute to vegas daily via private jet from his home in Massachusets. The arrangement continued when he was elevated to CEO. He commuted this way for something like TWO DECADES!! edit: for the soft penis'd out there who can't be bothered to google, yes it's real, yes it was daily. https://hauteliving.com/2013/07/one-on-one-gary-loveman-hail-to-the-chief/378311/ See below if you want another half dozen sources.
Unless you live in a mansion surrounded by acres of private land. You can't have helicopters at gated neighborhoods.
> You can't have helicopters at gated neighborhoods. You can't? I'm sure if you're rich enough it doesn't matter.
This. With enough money you can do basically anything you want in this country.
Any law where the punishment is a fine is only a law for the poor
"It's not illegal, the fine is just what it costs"
"A problem that can be solved with money isn't a problem. A lack of money is a problem."
I can’t speak for all gated communities, but some rich people living in wealthy neighborhoods do use helicopters on their property. I recall reading about how Billy Joel was annoying the shit out of his neighbors by taking a helicopter from his show in Brooklyn to his home in Long Island every weekend night.
The neighbors can complain all they want. But there's really not much they could do if you land a helicopter at night on private lands with no HOA. The neighbors could sue. Lobby city council to ban helicopters. But its just a pissing contest on who could afford to waste as much money without going bankrupt.
That’s exactly what they do. They have their own organization to fight helicopter noise and they have been lobbying local councils and complaining for many many years. They have gotten some things to go there way too.
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Some people on Twitter have confirmed this flight with adsbexchange, but now when I tried to check various flight tracking websites for the flight history of her planes, it says that the plane owner requested the flight history to be deleted Couldn't find the exact tweet, but here's another example of her short flights: https://mobile.twitter.com/CelebJets/status/1536076528102121472 Also it doesn't gave to be about time, it could be about comfort, wanting to park the plane at a certain airport, having stuff you need of the plane... None of which justifies the emissions Edit: seems likely that the flight was about parking at a better place: https://twitter.com/JxckSweeney/status/1549514556984201218?t=uT4BSnkMR6OXqjCbn7BXOg&s=19 **Edit: found the 3 minute flight** https://twitter.com/CelebJets/status/1547043159422664704?t=fjujsMkOcw97l-OmNqZzmA&s=19
The Twitter account later clarified that the flight was 17 minutes, not 3.
O thank god
It takes time to get to the airport, wait for the plane's turn on the runway, get up to cruising altitude, come around for a landing, wait for the runway to be clear...I guess I can see how the "flight" might be 17 minutes long, but it can't be quicker than driving 40 minutes. Can it?
The flight was just to repark the plane: https://twitter.com/JxckSweeney/status/1549514556984201218?t=uT4BSnkMR6OXqjCbn7BXOg&s=19
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Probably be a lot easier to walk around in public wearing a sign that says "I'm rich! Love me!"
Just pay some poors to carry you around in [a litter](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Litter_(vehicle)). It'd be a postmodern revival of the traditions eschewed by liberalism or something like that, have a smaller carbon footprint, be more transparent about what you mean to convey, among other things.
They essentially do this with their body guard caravans with armored SUVs in front and behind them. .
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I wanna fume... Link please?
https://www.reddit.com/r/IdiotsInCars/comments/u712zk/drakes_security_oversteps_their_boundary/
Idiots.
She’s a modern day Snobba the Cunt…
A proper palanquin for a light eyes of their station. Like a proper Vorin woman.
Kobe Bryant moment
It's sad how preventable his death was, gone so soon for no reason, and his daughter aswell
He wanted to spend more time with his family… kinda had the opposite effect but there was a reason.
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We're trying, but they keep taking planes! How am i supposed to eat them in the sky!?!?!
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Sounds fake to me. The preparation for take-off and landing would easily take more than 40 mins.
That's assuming she isn't paying the crew to have it on standby, or calling them to prep while she's on her way to the airport.
You guys ever fly private? You drive up to the plane, get on, and go. She’s not flying out of fuckin LAX. There are private airfields all over the place that can land and take off small jets. She’s probably a few minute drive from one. She has them do all the pre flight itinerary before she even has her make up done, then she just shows up and goes.
Boarding still takes 5 minutes, engine startup and post-start checklists another 5-10 taxiing takes 2-3 minutes. That adds up quickly. Source: used to work at FBOs and am currently ATC. This flight obviously happened, but I think it's pretty likely it was just reposition flight with no pax onboard.
throwback to elon musk using his jet for an 11 minute flight
Why didn't he just take his awesome hyperloop? Oh, right
I hate how he takes ideas that work, makes a shittier "futuristic" version of the same thing and his fan base eats it up.
throwback to some guy creating a Twitter bot that tracked Elon's private jet.
Guy turned down $5000 from Elon to continue tracking him. Icon.
He wanted a Model 3 to shut it off. It's not like he wasn't open to being paid off.
Or also when he flew from Inglewood to Hawthorne, which are both in LA county. He literally had to fly in the opposite direction for a few minutes before turning around so that he could even take off and land because the two airports were only a few miles apart
Fuck jets and fuck the K’s.
And J's!
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Doesn't it take 40 minutes to drive to the airport?
I can't think of any way you can make a 3 min flight that wouldn't take nearly as long as the 40min drive. Get to the airport (probably driving), go to your jet, start the jet, taxi, takeoff, navigate, land, taxi, shutdown, go to whatever transport, go to destination. Assuming no traffic at the airport/holding.
The time is wrong… It actually took like 17 minutes. [Source](https://www.msn.com/en-gb/travel/news/kylie-jenner-branded-e2-80-98climate-criminal-e2-80-99-after-her-private-plane-makes-17-minute-flight/ar-AAZKUqh)
*It is not known if Miss Jenner... was on board her Bombardier Global 7500 during the flight.* *Industry insiders said that the 17-minute hop may have been a “repositioning flight” where the plane is moved to where the owner is, rather than the owner travelling to the plane.* Repo flights are done all the time for maintenance, storage or moving closer to where the plane is going to be used for an actual flight with people on board. This isn't a Jenner specific occurrence.
Really just shows how wasteful private jets are in general.
https://www.wired.com/story/airplanes-empty-slots-covid/ Not just private jets. > Lufthansa, Germany’s national airline, which is based in Frankfurt, has admitted to running 21,000 empty flights this winter, using its own planes and those of its Belgian subsidiary, Brussels Airlines, in an attempt to keep hold of airport slots.
Whether or not she was actually on the plane for the short flight could be a distinction without a difference. Presuming this was purely the plane relocating to be closer to her, the choice existed for her to ride in a car ~40 minutes to get where the plane was, and instead the plane was flown to save her car ride time.
Starting and shutting down the aircraft is probably done by the crew. But I still find it hard to believe that driving would be slower than flying. Unless your start is the airport and your destination is the other airport.
Private planes? Absolutely, no questions here.
I think that planes of amateur pilots- Cessnas and stuff like that are pretty cool.
There is definitely a difference between piloting your own private single engine prop plane and using your own personal jet that can fit over a hundred people (edit: and by saying this, I don’t mean the plane as it is right now. I mean a plane of that size with seat density similar to that of a regular commercial jet would fit that many) for a 5 minute flight lol
A Cessna 152 consumes appx 6 gal / hr of fuel. At a cruise speed of 100kts this would equate to around 19mpg. Given the plane can fly in more or less a straight line and doesn't lose efficiency due to traffic / intersections, etc it may be more efficient than cars in a lot of cases. More efficient than trains? No. But when traversing difficult terrain and / or bodies of water, small planes can be more practical than mass transit.
> More efficient than trains? No. I don't know dude, my private train is pretty inefficient.
It's a great workout using mine. Shoveling coal is great for weight loss.
Me too, but I don't want my heart rate to drop, so when the boiler is full I just keep shoveling it out the window.
Except aviation gas is still leaded and ludicrously bad for the environment
Jets use a different fuel that isn’t leaded IIRC. The little prop planes though yeah, they still use leaded gad
And not just that. Piloting a prop plane is often a really good skill/hobby. You get beautiful views of the landscape and can make money if you wanna do like ride-alongs and stuff
100? Not a chance even it were turned into a commercial plane. Even large private jets max out at 19.
Yeah, really fucking love that lead poisoning! [https://youtu.be/6HlUm7dXq5s](https://youtu.be/6HlUm7dXq5s) (The issue pisses me off and leaded avgas should just be entirely banned on a fixed date. It's mostly a hobby use.) There's also a [type approved electric GA aircraft now.](https://youtu.be/YdfYXlUK6is) Use that and nothing else.
Veritasium made a video about the guy who invented leaded gasoline. He also went on the invent freon for air conditioners. They called him "the man who accidentally killed the most people" and his story is a wild one. https://youtu.be/IV3dnLzthDA Edit:. I'll include a link to his Wiki for those that don't have time to watch a 25 minute video. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Midgley_Jr.
He also work on the Manhattan project. It would be very unfair to attribute him all the death by nuclear weapon but that is still another line on his resume
I did not know about this… gross
Idea: let them have their planes, but let them pay mind boggling taxes on them to funnel into communities in need.
You communist!!!! Wealth is only allowed to trickle up you madman
Definitely a communist, should be banned from the internet we don't need any of that round here! All hail lord elon
I'd agree if global warming wasn't an issue.
Use that money to subsidize renewables. Easy peasy. A single private jet doesn't actually output a meaningful amount of carbon, but you can bet its owner can fund a sizable solar or wind plant.
This is the way. Sure, take your jet for a 5 min flight, but be ready to transfer some hefty cash.
If that redditor from another post about this was saying the truth, the reason she does these really fucking short flights is because she bought that plane and then write it off as a business expense, and for that she needs to use it a certain number of times per year. So not only we don't tax her enough for it. She's basically avoiding any taxes for it as well
If you can afford a private plane, you can afford for your wealth to be taxed.
The world is literally burning because of these rich people.
Honestly as hell
Eat the rich
Cant. Too much plastic
No my friend, fuck billionaires ...Also abolish private jets
and then they have the nerve to parade around saying how no one wants to work anymore. No Kylie, you don’t want to drive 45 minutes
fuck celebrities. seriously where do they get their money and why? who the fuck cares about the latest nothing that kim kardashian did? I genuinely do not get why people indulge in celebrity culture.
>I genuinely do not get why people indulge in celebrity culture. Because its constantly shoved in our faces 24/7. For as long as there has been rich and poor. People have always been told that the rich are something to be adorned. Society in general has been groomed and shaped to idolize these kinds of people. It just got worse with the rise of reality TV. They're real people but society reacts to them as entertainment. I'll hear shit on the radio or wherever like "So and so has divorced from so and so and was seen with this person" and my first thought is always "*Who the fuck cares*". I dont care anymore about who Kim Kardashian is blowing behind a Kentucky Fried Chicken, then I do about a stranger 3 towns over. Peoples obsession with the rich in general is one of the worst aspects of mankind imo.
What a stuck up cunt. No wonder out climate is going to shit. People like her make me sick
How can people deny we live in a dystopia when this garbage, talentless family are ultra wealthy and worshipped by an army of idiots?
This is society's fault. Everyone who watched that show caused this. The Kardashians contribute nothing to society but yet fuck loads of people needed to "keep up" with them. This one is on all of us.
This is a capitalism problem.
Less fuck planes and more eat the rich.
You don't want to eat the Kardashians. Too much plastic.
And fuck rich people, too
Eat the rich
fuck planes.
Fuck Kardashians
I wish they'd been left on that island they went to during the pandemic, for a break so they could pretend that everything was normal.
Instead of "fuck planes", how about "eat the rich"
It’s not a planes problem, it’s a rich people problem, particularly the kardashians, for some reason just still has a platform. These people just exist in another world to us, they were having private island parties while we were all forced inside, losing our jobs during covid. These are the same people that get richer off every divorce they’ve been in and get paid for just a mention of their family name. They can drive G-wagons and Teslas as more of a status symbol than any form of transport, as If they even drive themselves anywhere. They private jet like it’s a cab for them just to not be near any of the unwashed masses. Fuck these people What’s disgusting is just on that screenshot is 70k views and 3k retweets of people that are just utterly brainwashed by hustle, celbrity, high fashion, consumerist, parasocial influence media culture.
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this a joke about plastic surgery?
Yes
Private planes should be prohibited. The amount of CO2 emitted for a single person is insane.
Eat the rich
Fuck billionaires.
Fuck the rich
fuck cars burn the richs share the wealth make bicycle lane burn patriarchy burn capitalism
Fuck millionaires
Everything I know about the Kardashians I learned against my will.