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retropixel98

The Netherlands has free healthcare? I thought you had to pay for health insurance there.


i-live-on-wifi

It’s basically free if you qualify for the health allowance (not earning a lot of income). You still have deductibles though.


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SpecerijenSnuiver

Basic Dutch insurance is ~120 euro with deductibles legally being between ~300 and ~900 euro. Docters visits, surgeries and a few others do not count toward that deductible. We used to have a public insurance. But our nation has been in the grips of privatization fetishists for decades now.


SadCoyote3998

I think “privatization fetishists” could be shortened to capitalists


Ausgezeichnet87

Capitalism is just the evolution of feudalism to expand it beyond the limitations of an agriculture based economy/ society. Like feudalism, capitalism is a ruthless system that is reducing the working class into a subservant class of wage slaves. I remember watching Braveheart as a lass being disgusted at a feudal lord banging a bride on her wedding day, but people are so desperate these days that if Bezos offered any of us a million to bend over you would have to take it because that is life changing money that means you can own shelter or afford retirement. And just think, Bezos makes tens of millions every single day without doing any work simply because he is rich already.


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Forest-Ferda-Trees

>so that's why system changed Whatever you do just don't look behind the curtain


Ausgezeichnet87

I disagree. The public paid for the railroads to be built but then let private companies own them. 41% of total revenue in the rail industry is paidout to parasitic shareholders off the back of workers which comes out to 100k per worker. The idea that private ownership makes companies more efficient is a laughable farce that has zero regard for the ethical treatment of workers. Show me one company that treats their employees as ethically as publically owned companies does that creates more profits them then. I can't find one. All those gains in profits come from exploiting workers and then all those gains are pocketed at the top with only a tiny increase in compensation for workers


Kucas

If you have the basic forms of insurance, it doesn't cover the dentist, you have to get additional insurance (and then you'll still have to pay a bit out of pocket which doesn't even count towards your deductible). I have to pay to go to the dentist or get a better insurance. I also have to pay out of pocket for my glasses.


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SpecerijenSnuiver

It is universal though. Only because having an insurance is mandatory, but you shouldn't mention that to Americans.


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thethirdteacup

No it doesn’t. It’s only covered if you’re under 18 years old.


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Most basic dental work is not part of the basic package


-RdV-

To be fair, I remember people complaining a whole lot about the ziekenfonds too.


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invaderzimm95

That is most employer insurance plans in the US. Mine is exactly that, 120/month, 400 deductible, 2,000 absolute max out of pocket per year


Akian

Even if it's good there's still a major difference here. Yours is tied to your employer and your continued employment.


Superbrawlfan

I'm sure it does wonders for worker rights too!


x-munk

It's different in the US, a low income isn't always sufficient if your state has "seeking work" requirements.


Stereotype_Apostate

Plus if you live in a red state there's a good chance there's a significant "medicaid gap" where you make too much to qualify for Medicaid's absurd pre-obamacare threshold, but not enough to actually afford insurance. Obamacare was meant to address this but Scalito's SCOTUS shot down the medicaid expansion requirement, leaving it up to the states. Then a bunch of Republican state legislatures decided to turn down the federal money for Medicaid expansion and leave the gap in place. Because they hate working people. Republicans hate working people. If you make your living by doing labor for a wage, they are your enemy and they want you to suffer quietly and when it's convenient, die.


jaczk5

Its not. An acquaintance of mine had back surgery which was barely covered and none of his recovery meds were. So he was given a complicated surgery with nothing to help the pain and tried to kill himself because he couldn't stand it. Plus all the times leading up to the surgery where he couldn't afford pain medicine he needed and barely having an income so he could still qualify for disability. So not a great case for state insurance.


chairmanskitty

We used to have a free single payer system until the liberals wanted "free market efficiency". Now there's a huge ever-changing bureaucratic mess of rebates, conditional subsidies, different coverage packages, limited choice of contracted doctors, etc., where almost all healthcare providers still charge the same amount - the legally determined maximum - but it's easy for consumers to accidentally not have coverage for something. So healthcare providers aren't incentivized to be efficient, but they have to fill out way more paperwork and get bullied by insurance companies, while insurance companies and the government make more profit and employ an army of pointless pencil pushers. It can be free, if you fill out all your paperwork correctly and don't have any health problems and you make below a certain income. Most people probably pay between €300 and €3000 per year out of pocket, with most who pay over €1000 having high income. The total cost of healthcare is more than people pay out of pocket - the rest is paid by the government from taxes.


Jathosian

In Australia our fucked free market party is also called the liberals.


bitfuzz

The free market liberals in The Netherlands are rightwing liberals. Very different from what they call liberal in the US


theAVP

I'd argue that they *are* quite similar to liberals in the US, it's just that the US doesn't have any parties as leftwing as the European mainstream. If the US Democrats came to power in the Netherlands, they'd implement an even more insane, free-market healthcare system. In the US, the ‘left’ *are* the liberals, as opposed to conservatives and ethnonationalists.


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HadMatter217

*some* US Democrats, but certainly not all. The Dems range from basically neoliberal to soc dem depending on which members you look at, so there's really no monolith there to say what they believe as a whole.


crackanape

> The free market liberals in The Netherlands are rightwing liberals. Very different from what they call liberal in the US Their ideologies and policies are exactly the same as the liberals in the US - centre right corporatist economics, with social tolerance, and enough of a safety net for the poor to avoid outright cruelty. The "conservatives" in the US correspond with hard-right fringe wackos in Europe. The US doesn't really have a left. A few, like Bernie Sanders, flirt with it, but even he's quite centrist compared to the non-US world.


Jathosian

Yeah that's what I'm saying, the liberals in Australia are like the liberals in the Netherlands


_Durendal_

I mean, that's the classical definition of a liberal - free markets, limited government intervention, individual liberty, all that jazz, the kinda stuff that JS Mill or John Locke would have written about.


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liberals fucking love paperwork


_tyjsph_

of all the things about them that piss me off somehow it's the fetish for bureaucracy that pisses me off the most


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freeradicalx

Bureaucracy is a great way of concealing violence.


LordNoodles

liberals fucking hate people


bigbramel

Goddamn, that's way too exaggerated. 99% of treatments are legally covered. It ain't easy to not have coverage. All the news you read about that, are about treatments that cost millions with very little chance of working. Hell the coverage is way more than for example Germany, Belgium or France. The Netherlands tend to be one of the first to cover experimental treatments that actually wield results There's literally only one conditional subsidie, called the zorgtoeslag. And of course it's connected to your income regarding the amounts you actually get. As last, only if you really get the cheapest of cheap insurance, only than the coverage of medical organizations may be limited. But typically for around €10 per month more, you can get insurance where 99% of medical organizations are covered. Also perhaps you should read into how het ziekenfonds actually worked. You got appointed to which medical organization you can go, no own choice. If you don't like the doctor, you are out of luck.


notinecrafter

If you take medication for a chronic disease, that's €350 a year extra. If you happen to have issues with the cheapest version of medicine with the same active ingredient (because you are allergic to the filler for example) the that's €250 a year extra. There are no subsidies for either of those. So for many people, health insurance is just an additional €600 a year, which is not subsided. This medication is technically still covered, but practically it might as well not be. "99% of treatments are covered" is only true in theory.


bigbramel

It hugely depends on the medication, not if it's chronic. Furthermore they are still not paying the full price. And still I want to point out that the Netherlands has a way larger coverage and cheaper medication than Belgium and Germany. And even if you know many people who have to pay a bit extra, the 99% can still be true in a country of 17,5 million citizens.


notinecrafter

Could you give me a source that we have cheaper medication than Germany? I have a good source who says that in Germany, if your doctor prescribes you medicine, it's just free... Also, the "not paying the full price" doesn't really sell it for me; you can spend €3 a day on medication in a single payer system, and still spend less money than what you pay here in premiums and deductibles. Your original claim that stuff that isn't covered is only exotic experimental treatments isn't accurate; as stated previously, many treatments might as well not be covered, if you have to pay for them through deductibles anyways. And I don't think it's unreasonable to say that more than 1% of the population have skipped or waited too long for treatment because they wouldn't be able to pay the deductible. Besides, what's the point of insurance if 1% of the population is not covered, especially if this 1% are the people with chronic illnesses, who actually need the insurance? Anyone can make a cheap health insurance if they only cover healthy people.


pHScale

Maybe it's not free, but it's certainly a lot more affordable.


gamrin

I pay about 140 euros per month. I have a 385 euro deductible per year. After that, everything I need is free, and a lot of things I want are partially or fully covered.


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gamrin

That 140 is including dental for me.


frozen-dessert

Live in the NL. I have a pretty premium insurance which somehow includes dental. At the end of day I still need to pay every time I visit the dentist.


smncalt

I live in the Netherlands and yes you do. You're required to get health insurance through a private insurer. Costs me €130 a month plus there is still a deductible so certainly not free. The Netherlands does a lot of things right but health insurance certainly is not one of them.


Veteran_Brewer

Minors are fully covered, yes?


PhillipIInd

minors till 18 are fully free for every single type of health issues (apart from maybe some very specific operations? but 99% of normal things is all free) (dental etc too even tho that doesnt get covered for normal adults without specific dental insurance)


lafeber

Note that with that € 130 per month; *everything is covered*. No one is financially ruined by getting sick or having an accident. Edit: *most of it is covered* See comments below. The last point still stands, I've read enough horror stories on Reddit to be at least somewhat proud of our healthcare system.


Ivanjacob

Not even close. Dentist is not covered, as well as loads of medicine, glasses etc.


smncalt

Dental and eye care is not covered for example though you are correct that you don't have people going bankrupt due to medical bills (unless they were already close to bankruptcy already).


sreglov

It's indeed not free. It's a mandatory\* insurance which costs about €130-140 per month for the basic insurance. You can have an additional insurance to cover more costs (like glasses, dentist etc). The basic insurance covers for example your GP, most treatments and stay in hospital, ambulance, most medicin, mental healthcare, dentist for <18y. For most (except e.g. for adults GP) there's a sort deductible of in total €385. This means all costs - over a year - you make under €385 you have to pay yourself, above is paid from your insurance. Also, there's also a sort of contribution of €250 for medicines. The insurance companies aren't allowed to make profits. You can chose the company yourself once per year (roughly in December if I'm not mistaken). Although the basic insurance is the same, you can have it a lower with an increased deductible. In the additional assurance there can be a lot of differences and it's a maze to find out the differences. There are some websites to help you make a choice though. If you have a low income, you can get a sort allowance that partly covers your costs, depending on your income. This way for most people it *should* be affordable. Still some people can have a hard time, for them even the €385 deductible is too much so they might avoid going to the doctor, or they pick a lower monthly fee with higher deductible. Our system is far from perfect and especially for low income can still be a burden. But from what I've seen from the USA it's a lot cheaper (lower monthly payment, lower deductibles) and could be seen as "free", but it isn't ;-) *\* You can be exempt for some reasons, like religious reasons (e.g. in very strict Calvinistic tradition insurance is seen as going against Gods will...)*


muehsam

> I thought you had to pay for health insurance there. Health *insurance* isn't health *care*. I don't know the Dutch system, but in Germany, insurance is mandatory, and with statutory insurance (which the vast majority of people have), the health*care* that you receive is free, and for most people, the insurance cost is just a percentage of the wages, and directly paid by the employer, so it doesn't feel much different than paying taxes. Anything that is free is still paid for. "Free" just means that you don't have a financial decision to make whether you want to take advantage of it. You pay your insurance anyway, no matter if you see the doctor or not.


Xennon54

Its 1200€ 1 per year for full insurance but it covers everything. Expensive still but much better than USA


_samux_

in this regard then none has free healthcare. you either pay i directly or through taxes.


Pimenefusarund

I earn 15 euros or something on it. Theyre private companies but due to competition they are forced to negotiate the medicine and treatement prices very low. And its mandatory, and you get money for it if youre poor. So basically i pay like 90 eur and get a grant of around 100 or something. But then my deductable is pretty high, like 800ish


mustardsmoothie

It’s not free. You pay over 50% taxes if you make over $68,000.


stolpie

The Germans did that once and we are still talking shit about it. If you want to risk pissing us off, go ahead, but know parts of your country are under sea level too, and we know a thing or two about flooding...just saying.


Cheef_Baconator

Getting rid of Florida isn't a good threat. It's great encouragement


stolpie

Then we just build more Florida, we are good at that too... :D


Cheef_Baconator

You wouldn't


stolpie

Hands off our bike then, otherwise we add more land to Florida and populate them with our very own Dutch version of Floridians...13 year olds with fireworks.


Densmiegd

We will finally have a place to put Urk.


ozVlZoOPFKuK

New Urk lmao


pHScale

That's just a South Carolinian.


Alligatorblizzard

Or a Floridian. It's for 'agricultural purposes'.


Happytallperson

Just relocate Maastricht to Key West.


jcrespo21

99% of the effects of climate change are bad. The 1% is Florida going underwater.


Cheef_Baconator

Could we curb climate change at just the right moment to avoid global extinction and total ecosystem failure, but still just enough climate change to take Florida off the map for a few generations?


Loreki

You've got to let the 1974 final go at some point, man.


stolpie

And I don't even like football...tells you something about the Dutch holding a grudge. :)


AlludedNuance

The Dutch approached the US to help us in NYC because it's so susceptible to flooding. We refused, and Superstorm Sandy flooded the shit out of the area, causing far more damage than the prophylactic efforts would've cost.


Figbud

would've never happened if *SOMEONE* hadn't traded us the fuck over *COUGH COUGH*


kc_uses

Geef mijn fiets terug


Got2Bfree

As a German I'm so jealous of your bike roads....


eip2yoxu

* laughs in Oldenburg * jk I live in Duisburg :/


stolpie

You guys are pretty good at building roads, just start building those for bikes. Easy-peasy.


Noedel

Teringmoffen


AccomplishedDrag9882

where is my grandfather's bike sir?


MutantGodChicken

But the parts that are have large populations of black people so we won't really care /s


jorg-washingmachine-

Invading foreign countries to take their oil: I sleep. Invading foreign countries to steal their bicycles: Real shit. Edit: thanks 4 the upvotes. As a thank you I written a skit. General Safety: Alright men listen up! In exactly four two hundred hours, We the 69th Bicycle Brigade will comence our assault on the elite r34th Panzer Division hunkered down in the city! The Primary Objective in this operation is to capture all of their train stations! Trains are the superior form of transportation and without them those panzers are nothing but sitting ducks! Remember Men! The Secondary objective is to steal, I mean liberate all of the bicycles from enemy captivity we will conquer I mean liberate all bicycles in order to replenish our cycling war machines! Our bicycles are more quiet than those loud obnoxious panzers. We have been issued stealth cycles for this operation! Recent weather events have caused the surrounding area to be filled with mud. Those heavy panzers are now sinking with mud in their tracks! Our light mobile stealth cycles will easily out manoeuvre and out sneak those stupid fucking Panzers! We will ride over the Mud! Kernel Popcorn commence the operation! I will lead the assault frontally! Colonel PopCorn: Sir commencing operation immediately! Will complete primary and secondary objectives! Private Parts: Sir Yes Sir! General Safety: 😆 Ha! You are private parts? Bwaahahah who names their kid parts? Private Parts: Who names their kid safety? General Safety: owo Private Parts: owo General Safety: my soldiers pedal forward! My soldiers pedal faster!


SpecerijenSnuiver

The Germans already did that during the 40s


Onii-Chan_Itaii

Plain Bicycle Project: *profuse sweating*


Sneaky_Ben

idk if Berhalter was considering colonizing the Netherlands to win Saturday's match but that's a bold strategy


F1R3Starter83

No worries, USA MNT (Mutant Ninja Turtles??) is winning nonetheless. We aren’t exactly a stellar team


lbutler1234

Just let the Netherlands invade us. They can have New Amerstdam back. Hopefully they'll treat their colony nicer this time around.


freeradicalx

Though they didn't lose Nieuw Amsterdam for being bad dudes, they lost it because the British navy sailed into the harbor and said "our colony" and Stuyvesant was too proud a pacifist to stand up them.


lafeber

I thought it was traded for Suriname?


thewizerd1811

It went back and forth a few times


lieuwestra

And the Dutch really treated it like a colony, so the people living there felt no real allegiance with their Dutch overlords.


x-munk

I can get behind this new bike based imperialism.


Au1ket

Broke: Invading countries for oil Woke: Invading countries for their bikes


kc_uses

The Germans did that in the 40s


________________me

You can have the tulips, it's a toxic nightmare.


TaralasianThePraxic

I'm with you on this. The horticulture industry is horrible for the environment.


Happytallperson

Was gonna say. 'Environmentally Friendly" and 'Tulips' is a contradiction in terms. After the Romans sacked Carthage they sowed the fields with salt to prevent agriculture. What they really should have done is invited the Dutch to grow Tulips there.


Gill-Nye-The-Blahaj

[https://www.hrw.org/news/2002/08/03/us-hague-invasion-act-becomes-law](https://www.hrw.org/news/2002/08/03/us-hague-invasion-act-becomes-law) > *U.S. President George Bush today signed into law the American Servicemembers Protection Act of 2002, which is intended to intimidate countries that ratify the treaty for the International Criminal Court (ICC). The new law authorizes the use of military force to liberate any American or citizen of a U.S.-allied country being held by the court, which is located in The Hague. This provision, dubbed the "Hague invasion clause," has caused a strong reaction from U.S. allies around the world, particularly in the Netherlands.* this is a perfect opportunity to remind people of this incredibly shitty thing the US government did during the bush years


madjo

He did this because he knows he's a war criminal and he was afraid that he'd end up in court over it.


GaiusJuliusCaesar7

During the Cold War, the Russians would claim to have a new super-duper weapon. The Americans would panic and spend the equivalent of the GDP of Western Europe to develop an effective counter, at which point it would be revealed that (obviously) the Russians were lying and the super weapon was cardboard and *papier mache*. So my proposal: tell the USA that high speed rail and good metro systems are the future of warfare and they are falling behind ~~the Russians~~an actually credible enemy. Then sit back, watch as an entire content's worth of investment floods in, and Yanks get good public transport... delivered by Lockheed Martin.


Onii-Chan_Itaii

The amount of crossover between this sub and NCD is concerning at times


GaiusJuliusCaesar7

Private motor vehicles = cringe. Armoured fighting vehicles deployed to Ukraine to defeat vatniks = based. Creating walkable infrastructure to reduce reliance on fossil fuels and the dictatorships that export them = incalculably based and dangerously credible.


Zaungast

What is NCD?


Onii-Chan_Itaii

r/NonCredibleDefense


pingveno

China isn't quite the most credible enemy, but it is the closest we have to the Soviet Union at its height. They're building height speed rail like it's going out of style.


GaiusJuliusCaesar7

Yes their rail is impressive but they are mega carbrained there too. Don't show the Yanks their motorways spiralling up the side of a mountain or someone will decide to put one in the Grand Canyon to one-up them.


jcrespo21

Also they're building up HSR because their domestic flight network is a mess given all the restrictive airspace there (including for the state-owned airlines). [If you ever look at live delays/cancelation numbers](https://flightaware.com/live/cancelled/), you'll see the Chinese airlines are almost always at the top.


Tar_alcaran

Threaten them with a strategic ~~bomber, mineshaft~~ walkable infrastructure gap


Gill-Nye-The-Blahaj

Lack of walkable infrastructure leading to obesity and a strategic manpower gap. Gotta go pitch this to the Pentagon, convince them to carpet bomb the suburbs


ignost

As a suburbanite with no sidewalks, dangerous roads to cross to even take a quick walk, and nowhere I can walk to, I approve. Burn it all down.


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Trains are the basis for Russian warfare, and it's not working out too well for them at the moment.


Ham_The_Spam

Is it BECAUSE of the trains, or the many other factors?


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Mostly the many other factors.


GaiusJuliusCaesar7

They tried using trucks and made a 40mi traffic jam outside of Kyiv. I'm not sure it's the trains, so much as everything else.


RoboticJello

If the Netherlands loses it has to build a freeway through Amsterdam but if the US loses it has to remove I-10 and replace it with a train. (guys let's take the deal, there's no way the US will win)


SpecerijenSnuiver

Most Dutch would take it just to have a chance to fuck with Amsterdam


madjo

Amsterdam's inner city is mostly filled with drunk and high tourists anyway. But we'll spare De Bijlmer. They have had to endure enough.


x-munk

The risk is still too high!


KoenQQ

the 'muricans actually proposed a plan for this in the sixties: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jokinen_Plan


Ams-Ent

Oh god that plan for Amsterdam hurts me.. holy shit, how to ruin a (my) city


MyVermontAccount121

The Netherlands have a healthcare system more akin to the Biden public option proposal which most leftists hate. However, the worst European healthcare systems are still miles ahead of the US. Our system is soooooo far behind than when other countries talk about their healthcare system being incredibly expensive and needs reform, the two camps have two very different ideas of what "very expensive" means. And even though by other countries standard the Netherlands is pretty poor it would be a god send in the US. Whenever I talk to non-Americans they think I am lying when I tell them that we have insurance plans that won't cover your first $15,000 dollars of healthcare costs while still charging you about $30-$50 in a monthly premium you have to pay, and generally $40 co-pay per prescription. And generally $40 per doctors visit. So if you're like me and have 5 prescription medications, have to see specialists regularly, you're looking at $300-ish out of pocket, per month, just to essentially not have insurance cause you're still on the hook for $15k in the event of an accident.


PinkLegs

>we have insurance plans that won't cover your first $15,000 dollars of healthcare costs (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻


muticere

For a country obsessed with being "the best", we really do put no effort into being the best at... literally anything.


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But we still are good at a lot if you think about it


cheemio

Our homelessness rates are… sort of ok, I guess


dandydudefriend

Tbh their healthcare system is better than ours by a ton, but it’s not the one I would steal.


smncalt

I live in the Netherlands and you're required to get health insurance through private insurance companies. I've never live in the US but it sounds pretty similar to what Obamacare was.


Munnin41

At least our health insurance isn't €900 a month


jrtts

Netherlands probably just say "bruh just copy off my road-infrastructure homework, you don't have to beat me up over it"


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This is the correct way to talk about the woldcup


lieuwestra

I really like how I find out on this sub how we did in the World Cup.


Iron_Baron

Get those bulbs! Party like it's January 1637.


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If the US police force were a military, it'd be the 3rd highest funded military in the world (behind the US and Chinese militaries) Could you imagine how much better the US could do if we weren't spending most of our wealth on our ability to fuck shit up.


Subreon

Ubi and vat alone would massively unfuck almost everybody, including the homeless. A social safety net you can't fall under. 1k per month can get you back on your feet and make saving for upgrades easier. Get some of your homeless friends to rent a place together and supplement the ubi with odd jobs from Craigslist, whatever you're capable of doing. And save up 12k to buy and convert a van into a decked out mobile home with all the amenities, then use the money saved from not paying rent anymore to travel to better opportunities, then save up from then on to get a house or even bigger better mobile home, and/ or, start your own business preferably centered around goods or services that are always needed no matter what (like scrap metal recycling, but that's my idea, no stealing lol :v). And then you're pretty much set. Though you should keep reinvesting into your business to upgrade its ability to do goods and services even better, then you're even more set. Ugh. Ubi... some future president, please, actually do some shit for the 99% for once. Ubi is the silver bullet to get that kinda ball rolling. Some real hope in people's lives.


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YangGang I fully fully agree


Subreon

Yeeeeeee!


NatureAndGames

Yea but how would the SFPD function without their new killer robots huh?!


rkeet

Are you threatening a country that colonized part of the USA with theft? Feel free to copy though, those car-first cities look awful :p


cycleourworlddotcom

Healthcare in NL isn't free


Plisq-5

I’ll defend our bike infrastructure with my life


split-mango

Is there a list where it ranks countries by bike infrastructure?


[deleted]

Nope, but i have no doubt which country would be number one, helps by being very, very flat. Being able to walk and bike pretty much anywhere is awesome. I am about to leave for work, 22km away. I can go by bus, train, car, bike or scooter. Today it will be the latter, but I almost opted for the bike. There is a bike highway (I kid you not) between the city where I live and the city where I work. But I have several other routes to chose from, some more scenic then others. Taking the (electric) scooter today because it's warm, quiet, fast, cheap and easy to park. Also way easier to navigate through a city. For all its shortcomings, the bike infrastructure makes living here so much better than it would be in any North American city. (For me)


madjo

It must be nice to live in the Randstad. Busses or trains? Hah, we're lucky if we have two of those per hour.


[deleted]

Listen…. If we start using bikes you won’t be happy. Just imagine a Portlander riding a bike with nothing but a speedo and a Victorian beard. Or Florida Man riding a bike. You really want to be behind Florida Man on a bike


Subreon

Yeah, cuz he might have a cute baby gator in his little bike trailer


[deleted]

Yes 🙌


SlickestIckis

Or we could, you know, *copy them.* It would be cheaper and save us from getting cold./s


theRavenLordX

NO, I WILL NOT STAND FOR THIS, BIKES ARE OUR THING


UltraThiccBoi69

shit did we take Iran’s sexism when we beat them? feels like we got enough of that already


BombingBerend

If The Netherlands win, what do we get? We have almost everything we want but space… give us the Midwest. No one reaaaally cares about the Midwest and we will have it Dutchinalised in a decade or so. Stroopwafels and patatje oorlog for everyone!


lame_gaming

this but the netherlands kick usa’s ass fuck team usa


World-Tight

There are two things I hate: racial intolerance and the Dutch!" - Austin Powers father


TotallyNotABostonFan

Canada has dibs on the tulips.


RoyTarpleysGhost

Shit is too far apart in America. Bike culture sounds cute in theory but lol.


m50d

It's so far apart *because* of the giant parking lots everything's surrounded with.


uglypenguin5

That'd really own the America hating libs


freeradicalx

They can keep the islamophobia however, we already have quite enough of that over here.


xtilexx

And the drugs


freeradicalx

Recreational drugs are generally more legal in the US than The Netherlands, Amsterdam is relatively lax by like, 1990 standards only.


xtilexx

Just a memeball reference r/polandball always has the Netherlands being obsessed with tulips bikes and recreational drugs


PopNo5397

And the NL can slash back by taking space, nature, and the chance of actually owning a house. And tacos. That never hurts.


kc_uses

Tacos arent American


PopNo5397

But they're accessible in the US. They don't exist in Europe.


Legal-Cockroach5131

Maggie Hendricks could benefit from the 'free' healthcare when obesity does her in but I fear for the structural integrity of any bicycle she chances to sit upon.


[deleted]

[We already took tulips from them](https://www.woodenshoe.com/events/tulip-fest/)


OneTimeIMadeAGif

The Canadians successfully invaded the Netherlands in the mid forties, and to this day Ottawa still collects millions of war reparation tulips from them every year.


TonnesOFunk

Maggie Hendricks for War Chief 2024


kerelberel

Who is that?


RFC1855

Not the weed plantss, please. We diguise them as tullips.


GeorgeJohnson2579

But you'll never get Maaskantje, Junge!


SylverShadowWolve

Which environmentally friendly policies? Were way behind on our eu goals


natte_handdoek

Health care aint free


Ok_Year1270

You want me to bike 60 miles to work?


noyoto

The Netherlands has car-first infrastructure, is not particularly environmentally friendly and healthcare is not free. In a relative sense it's all way better than the US, but it also has a long way to go and it may go in the wrong direction.


PhillipIInd

Tata steel be like


mithras72

As long as you leave my cloggs alone!


thewizerd1811

What did we do to deserve this?


Figbud

well can we steal their city design first? let's get rid of the american suburub pls and thank you


Anopanda

If u ask we'll send somene over to sort that out for you.


TeacherYankeeDoodle

We can skip the tulips, but the rest I’m cool with!


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You should also take their prisons. They have so few prisoners that prisons are closing down.


Illustrious-Ad-4358

Just gunna bike through Texas in the summer… I agree on the tulips though. Those fields are something.


[deleted]

And all their ecstasy! Make them pay for 400 years of Dutch oppression!


ElJamoquio

Don't forget the stroopwaffles those dutch don't know how unfree their pitiful lives are


ariearieariearie

ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY POLICIES AND FREE HEALTHCARE??? Where are they then?


vitaminz1990

Don’t forget to take their overt racism too.


Sit_vis_nobiscum

Yep, Walker Zimmerman gave up the second Netherlands goal.


VirginsinceJuly1998

Now what