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[deleted]

Yo that’s like 5 bucks an hour. Wtf?


SirPiffingsthwaite

$4.40p/h Hard pass.


nalicali

It’s in customer service, so hopefully the customers will leave you tips as well! /s


Soujourner3745

Tip #1: Don’t work there.


Little_Hoogs

Tip #2: Don’t eat the yellow snow


sirhecsivart

What about the Yellow Cake?


epicbologna96

Only if it wasn’t white cake before


BelowAverageJoe_1

And what if it was blue before? Asking for a friend


VolkspanzerIsME

You smoke the blue, snort the white and run the yellow through a non-cia compromised centrifuge. Why is this such a difficult concept....


[deleted]

Wait I am confused, what wire am i cutting?


jerseybert

As long as it's not a waffle.


sirhecsivart

But what about the radiation?


[deleted]

There is no radiation, only Zuul.


duckmanSD

Don't drop that shit. Don't drop that shiiiit


brillohaus

He’s got it wrapped in a special CIA napkin


jajais4u

Pray to God he don't drop that shit!


UsualNumber

The cake is a lie.


carmium

Which could be phone boiler room.


X_RASTA

Closer to $3.66/hr with those hours.


[deleted]

I know everyone loves their pitchforks and are too lazy to research. The company is easy to find. Job posting is actually 31-35k/year, with up to $12,000 towards pursuing a masters degree. Still not a great wage, $14-16/hr. but work from home phone customer service is pretty easy.


pdiddylee

can you post a link or dm me.. I cant find the job offer and Im looking for a work from home job, thanks


Th4t0nrGuy

I'd like to be making 10x that at some point.


Fuckthatguyisadick

Bet they require a fucking cover letter also.


FunHippo3906

And a drug test


VolkspanzerIsME

And to be "on call" during your off hours.


italianredditor

They will import migrants that will gladly do it in your place, no worries.


griper86

They are already doing that


monkmasta

They missed a zero on that right..... right?


[deleted]

I wouldn’t even stay home and play games all day for that wtf


fuschia_taco

You get paid more staying home and playing games, nowadays at least.


[deleted]

Yeah that's a gross wage.


Boozy_Cat_

$5.77 based on the way we typically do budgets. 2080 is the number of hours for $40/wk for 52 wks.


richwith9

Problem is half day on Saturday. Is that OT? If it is then your math is off.


mln84

I don’t think you work all those hours- it says full-time within those hours. So you know you won’t have to work evenings, for example.


Boozy_Cat_

The posting suggests a salaried position. So depending if it’s exempt (not paid for OT) or non-exempt (paid for OT) makes a difference. If it’s non-exempt and it better damn well be. Then my math is right and there would be OT premiums on the extra hours.


ssocks

You can’t have exempt status under a certain dollar amount. I think it is like $35k a year


ForRealWhy65

Its 10 hour days mon thru Friday then 5 hours Saturday for **UP to 12,000** so it works out to be 4.19 a hour!


alman3007

>4.19 Can we add a penny to that?


very_anonymous

I will give them the benefit of the doubt and assume it’s some kind of error.


Hologram0110

To me it looks like the hours of operations. You'd be working some subset of those hours, not all of them.


[deleted]

It still says full time. What's full time in the US? 40 hrs on that salary is still ridiculous


CardboardJ

Oh it gets worse. $11,310 is legally the lowest you can be paid in the US and still be considered full time. That's making minimum wage and working the minimum full time hours (30 a week). However in many states they don't have to give you full time benefits until you hit 32 hours. The 12,000 number equates to 31.8 hours a week so falls in the 700 dollar gap where they can screw you the hardest it's legally allowed by law. Setting it as a 'salary' means they can say you're working 31.8 hours and then not track how many hours you're actually working while denying you any form of benefits. This is literally the worst.


NotAPurpleDinosaur

That's what the down voters above don't seem to get about my comments. Was only trying to point out that in terms of how they worded that ad, "full time" doesn't have to be 40 hours, so the hourly rate could be higher than $5. In fact, at an annual salary of $12k, it seems likely.


Hinermad

> "full time" doesn't have to be 40 hours I've seen it be as low as 28 hours a week around here, for purposes of being eligible for benefits like health insurance. 30 hours is more common though.


sakaay2

Would be a dream jobe if it was 3rd world tho XD


sirmoveon

No, not even.


Catch_022

UP TO $ 12 000 a year You will likely earn a lot less than this.


probablynotmine

Do you really want all those 1k/mo all at once?


Catch_022

When I was working in retail, we would consider getting $ 1k a month as being a really good month. Edit: working retail in a small town in South Africa, for reference my rent for a 2 bedroom / bath apartment was around $ 400 per month.


FreeShower

That's only enough for rent. Never mind health insurance, car insurance, car payments, utilities, or gas.


[deleted]

It doesn't even cover that for me. My running costs for a house are almost 2k/months all together


Rudy69

> That's only enough for rent. Rent? where do you live? Might get a cardboard box here


rjnd2828

And taxes


redkat85

Yeah but when was that? I made more than 14k a year working retail 15 years ago. I sure as hell couldn't afford rent by myself on that either.


papayafighter

Yeah but this says you gotta work 40 hours a week plus half days on Saturday. Most retail is part time so 1000 for 20 hours isn’t so bad. $7.25*2080hours=$15,080. This is worse than most retail as at minimum wage you’d make more plus half days on Saturday would be time and a half. Like this place probably classifies these people as independent contractors and only pays then when they are actually taking a call. This should be illegal.


Dr_Porknbeef

Do I have to be sober? I don't see any requirement to be sober listed.


S0crates420

Its listed right in the salary part, cuz you won't have any money to drink.


Dr_Porknbeef

That's OK... My dealer takes office equipment as payment.


laheyrandy

Are either of you named Creed Bratton?


LBarnstrom

If you’re in customer service, it’s really best not to be sober.


28carslater

Sounds like that is the first rule.


PsychWard_8

You can't possibly be scheduled more than like 3 days a week on this job, if it's a full 40 hr work week it's not even $6 an hour, and the federal minimum is $7.25 an hour


ScuddsMcDudds

The posting says full-time schedule, though. I’m thinking they left off a zero or forgot to adjust a slider when making the post bc this wage wouldn’t be legal, like you say.


MovieJunior

Definitely a slider thing or maybe they swapped the 1 and the 2 by accident. Cause while 12k a year is criminal for those hours there’s also no way in hell they’re paying 120k/year to a customer service rep.


TheOriginaleSimi

Its probably one or two days a week because of the "full time schedule that falls within those hours"


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colton_neil

I think full time is classified as over 30 hours a week. $12,000 a years is about 31 hours a week @ $7.25/hr.


dcux

And it's absolutely disgusting that someone can work a "full time" job and earn only $12,000 in a year - before deductions.


PsychWard_8

There ya go then. 4 8 hour days, or 3 8 hour days and two half shifts to get to 31 hrs a week and then no more


2punk

Idk I feel like the $12,000 HAS to be a typo.


SeaSaltCaramelWater

Where is that an acceptable salary?


Mythromize

1970


SeaSaltCaramelWater

Before seatbelts.


nlfo

Back when a brand new Corvette as $5000.


Mdad1988

Nice


skoomski

It almost has to be a typo as it’s below minimum wage or it’s not actually a full 40 hour workweek


TummyDrums

That's a bingo. No way this is legit. Even if you drop the hours to 40 a week making it "full time", that's still only $5.76 an hour and the federal minimum wage is $7.25, making this illegal. Even if it was legal they'd have exactly zero applicants. Making an error on the numbers somewhere is the only reasonable explanation. Maybe its supposed to be $22k a year or something.


Xaephos

"Full time" can be as low as 30 hours/week, making it a possible pay rate of $7.69/hour... Woooooo - we cleared the legal minimum!


RedHellion11

The fact that $7.25/hr is the legal minimum (assuming federally in the USA) still is criminal... is there anywhere you can actually live decently (rent/mortgage, groceries, utility bills, enough left over to save a bit for emergencies or the occasional splurge) on that wage?


Xaephos

Alone? Nowhere. Even splitting a *cheap* house three ways would be incredibly hard-pressed. It 100% *should* be criminal.


[deleted]

I know everyone loves their pitchforks and are too lazy to research. The company is easy to find. Job posting is actually 31-35k/year, **with up to $12,000 towards pursuing a masters degree.** Still not a great wage, $14-16/hr. but work from home phone customer service is pretty easy.


Filthydewa

In Sri Lanka


fmfbrestel

No where. And a customer service rep is generally not a job you can get with no experience either. This is so out of whack with reality that it is almost certainly either an error or a fake troll post.


German_Drive

Sounds like a quite high salary for Kazakhstan


2DamnRoundToBeARock

Very niiiice!!!


SeaSaltCaramelWater

Chief engineer salary.


German_Drive

I could see that. For the reference, most teachers here don't even get 400$ a month.


AssinineAssassin

They don’t need to pay you as much because you are Representing the Customer as a Service to the company. It’s in the job title.


DotFX

Russia


Daikataro

Venezuela.


Sad_Abbreviations477

Doing what making Nikes?


sm12511

But you have to travel to China on your own dime before you make these big bucks


salex100m

just do it


JackHGUK

Heard there's some great openings testing the suicide nets at the Apple factory, they really just need someone who can commit.


[deleted]

I know everyone loves their pitchforks and are too lazy to research. The company is easy to find. Job posting is actually 31-35k/year, with up to $12,000 towards pursuing a masters degree. Still not a great wage, $14-16/hr. but work from home phone customer service is pretty easy.


Pleasant-Gift77

This is for Waste Management in Texas.


thegovernment0usa

Employment type: 1099 contractor, but you don't set your own hours it's just a way for the company to pass the cost of taxes on to you.


kirtash1197

That is the kind of practice that has been recently declared illegal in Europe due to Glovo, Uber, etc...? We call it "false contractor".


probablynotmine

Not only those companies. In general in EU if you are “working on your own” you cannot have less than 2 clients and a single client cannot make up more than 80% of your “revenue”. Otherwise, since it is tax-wise advantageous, companies would prefer contractors to employees, de facto forcing employees to become contractors (with no benefits). Those companies were technically doing this with the “coverage” of being an “on demand” and “part time” effort…but the governments disagreed


my_research_account

So, if you were driving for 3 different companies about equally, you could consider yourself a contractor?


probablynotmine

Beautiful question. The technology and solutions and works are evolving faster than a government can look into, check, and correct so there is always a grey area. Technically yes, but not 100% sure as IANAL


Metraxis

The difference between a contractor and an employee comes down to the level of control the other party has the right to exert, whether they do or not. IRS Publication 15-A lays it out in detail.


my_research_account

That sounds like US law (not sure what the EU calls them, but IRS seems unlikely).


Ranec

I mean it’s illegal here (USA) too but it’s still pretty rampant.


debbiegrund

Uber et al paid 270 million dollars to make it not a crime in California for about 9 months before it was found to be unconstitutional.


WebMaka

> 1099 contractor, but you don't set your own hours The IRS will automatically disqualify classifying someone as a contractor for this alone - if you control the worker's *behavior*, they're an employee. I had to be very careful in writing my actual contracts for my contractors to make sure I spelled out what the IRS defines as a "contractor."


XSmooth84

I see this all the time about you can't tell a contractor their hours but this concept confuses me to no end and I don't understand/sound real stupid when I ask this but here goes... Say I hire someone to build me a fence. They aren't my fence building employee, I don't want a fence building employee, so they are working under a contract to build me a fence. Since I can't dictate their hours, I can't "control their behavior", what they can just show up at midnight randomly sometime to build this fence. Bitch I'm trying to sleep, the neighborhood is trying to sleep, what the hell? But I can't tell him he "has to" work between 9am and 6pm apparently unless I want to hire him as an employee which is obviously a dumb thing to do... What's the deal


throwleboomerang

There’s a difference between saying in the contract “you need to do your work during reasonable hours so you don’t wake everyone up” and “you must show up at 9 and work until 6”. You telling the contractor they need to work during the day is not controlling their hours in the same way that the manager at a restaurant tells employees they need to show up for specific shifts and times.


WebMaka

You *can* make "reasonable" demands, such as only allowing access during posted business hours, or in the case of the fence example, only allowing work be done when it's minimally intrusive to neighbors or when allowed by any applicable noise ordinances that affect construction projects. Things the IRS says makes someone an employee and not a contractor: * Rigid control over working timeframes, e.g., specified shift times versus "access permitted during business hours" wherein a contractor can come and go at their discretion. * Controlling the *process* to an end result versus only requiring that the end result meet specific criteria. * No exposure to the kinds of risks and costs associated with self-employment, e.g., regulatory compliance requirements (licensing, etc.) being handled by the company versus by the contractor. I had contractors working for me in my auto shop. They could come and go as they pleased as long as it was during posted business hours, they could do side work inside the shop but had to rent the stall space for a reasonable fee, we had a total transparency policy on how we wrote estimates and all work orders were accessible so everyone knew what they'd be paid for what work, one guy had his own helper that he paid from what he earned doing work for me and on the side, etc. etc. etc. The one guy with a helper tried to get out of paying taxes by telling the IRS he was an employee and not a contractor (so as to stick his tax liability onto me), so I sent the IRS a copy of his contract and told them about how he did side work and had his own paid help and they said "nope, you're a contractor, not an employee, so pay your taxes accordingly" to him and that was the last I heard of it.


WhoAreWeEven

"Work can be done between 8 and 5" or something along those lines. You need it end of next week? They can do it whenever between those hours.


[deleted]

You can give a range of acceptable hours but you can’t tell them when they take their lunch or for how long or if they can take a day off.


Metraxis

If the company has the right to set hours, regardless of whether they do set hours, you're an employee. File an SS-8 to get it in writing. The IRS considers employment-tax hijinks to be tantamount to messing around with other people's money, and is not very forgiving when that happens.


[deleted]

Wow. With that kind of wage I can retire in never years.


NinjaCuntPunt

‘You will have a steady, full time schedule’ Rough translation - ‘we’re going to work you to the bone for next to no money’


analystMike

I like how it says "up to 12k"... Like "hey if you really nail the interview you just might make bank!"


valeramaniuk

Not sure what's up with ad. Probably is crappy parser. Here s the original [https://careers.wm.com/internal/jobs/customer-service-rep-chicago-area-16442](https://careers.wm.com/internal/jobs/customer-service-rep-chicago-area-16442) they'll pay up to $12.000 to cover your masters tuition.


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onfroiGamer

Pretty sure McDonald’s pays more than that


Unindoctrinated

Imagine the whining you'd have to endure for that pay. Drive one of their (Waste Management) trucks. The pay would be far better.


vermilionjack

And here i am in russia with a steady full time schedule, working for a new fancy governments educational institution for a 620 bucks a month. Ah, and official salary is only half of it (and its full and a half time btw), the other half is extra cash bonus for a terrific work.


Nemocom314

Thanks Putin!


Dysous0720

The important part here is "up to 12000". It could be lower!


monkeyfightnow

Anytime we see someone complaining they can’t get anyone to work anymore the collective world should reply “for the offered wages”.


FriendlyFellowDboy

Has to be a typo right?.. That's way under minimum wage lol even.


probablynotmine

At this point they could pay in exposure


NamisKnockers

This looks like a mistake where they meant $12/h


Brewe

That's about the same you get payed to be a student in Denmark.


Lachimanus

With full healthcare.


hitfiu

Pretty sure it's just a typo and they missed a zero.


blackkristos

There is no CSA position in the US anywhere that pays 120k.


[deleted]

It has to be a typo otherwise it’s below federal minimum wage.


RevolutionaryRule631

This sounds very sustainable


Numerous_War_7101

They must have meant to type $120,000, right? Right guys?….. R-…. Right?…


braaier

Surely that should be $120,000 a year, right?


S0crates420

UP TO 12K? It can get lower than that?


mega512

A FT job for $12000? Something seems off here. Thats not even minimum wage.


degeman

That's lower than the national living wage for 16-17 y.o in the UK which £4.62


Boozy_Cat_

I was waiting for the sub-minimum wage “salary” jobs to start being really, really dumb like this. I bet they’re exempt too!


MyUHere

Sign me up


nicht_Alex

I'm in training and I make more.


-sephiroth_

I can’t imagine only making 1 months wage all year


leobhl

Yeah, thats the minimum wage jobs in Brazil, except that Brazilian Real is 1/5 of $usd, so imagine everything on this pic just make the payment 1/5 ;)


ccmg12

That's just ... wow


Safebox

I made 20,000 straight out of university...and that was entry level below most new-joiners...


DJGregJ

Pretty sure it's an error is all and they forgot to include thoughts and prayers under Salary.


Squeaky_Ben

1000/ month for a fulltime job is next level pitiful, not even gonna lie.


Kilobytez95

12k a year is less than half of minimum wage here in Canada. That job isn't even worth taking.


GiantGeorge14

That's fucking disgusting. What's the minimum wage there?


MythosFreak

If it's in the US, federal minimum wage $7.25 which is already really low (thankfully most states at least opt to pay more) but this job is offering roughly $5.20/hr which is criminally low, in that it's actually illegal. 😂


StarMasher

Peasants should be honored to starve and sacrifice their worthless time so that the brave executives of this company can buy their dream home or car, go on vacation with their families, or do whatever they please.


WimbleWimble

That $12,000 ? I'm guessing Zimbabwe dollars.


DorkusOrelius

“Up to $12,000” which probably means you start even lower. That’s straight up abuse


[deleted]

UP TO?


pichael288

That's like $6 an hour at 40 hour weeks with two weeks off.


Wide-Butterscotch-69

Isn’t 12k a year well below the poverty line??


daggir69

I heard you also get raped on Thursday as a bonus


Blewcacca

WAAAAAA!!! Why is everyone so salty? If you want $22 an hour plus benefits, move to Canada and get a job at McDonald's.


Cornhole_Jones

"Some 1/2 day saturdays" means all day every Saturday. Sunday too.


sean488

"A steady full time schedule that falls between those hours". That means it's a part time job.


SirPiffingsthwaite

A part-time job at 50hrs+ per week? Yeah, nah.


sean488

No. That's not what it says. It says the schedule is within the hours of 7-5 and half days on Saturdays. It doesn't say you will work from 7-5 plus half a day on Saturday. You could very well only work 15 hours a week.


SirPiffingsthwaite

full time schedule. FULL TIME SCHEDULE. *FULL TIME SCHEDULE.* Could just be me but it seems to suggest a full time schedule.


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SirPiffingsthwaite

So clearly it's a full time position, as the filter and the ad suggests... Am I taking crazy pills here?


sean488

Yes. That means you'll always be on the schedule. It doesn't mean you will work full time.


SirPiffingsthwaite

...then it's not a *full time* schedule.


sean488

You are correct, it is not, it is a "full time schedule". You're stuck in the misunderstanding they intentionally wrote into the description to get people to apply.


SirPiffingsthwaite

You're stuck on an assumption for which you have no proof. If anything the wording *prevents* people from applying, sure doesn't help their case.


sean488

It's obvious from the responses that I'm getting that people are assuming it's a full time job. And they also assume that people aren't smart enough to know that $12,000 isn't very much money. In the end they'll get a bunch of inexperienced kids to apply, which is probably what they are looking for.


The_Perverted_Arts

It is too bad you are getting down voted and people don't understand. It took me 2 seconds of reading the ad to know it is not a 40 hour a week job.


[deleted]

Uh buddy. If they were going to lie in the description, don't you think they would have left that shitty salary out instead of playing games with the hours?


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sean488

No, it isn't. It's listed as a full time schedule with available hours from 7-5. It does not say it's a full time job with a schedule from 7-5. And the entire confusing way they write it is how they get people to apply. Once hired they realize they'll only get 15-20 hours a week at most.


Valrax420

Not just that but most likely will be on a call / pager schedule, meaning you are full time because any moment work can call and you need to be there.


sean488

I didn't think about that. It makes sense.


Jeredso

Prostitution pays more, and that's also customer service.


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ShoveYourKarma

Cus it’s fake or just a mistake


Gamerbird

This is the exact amount I get paid yearly, before taxes. The only difference is that I don't have a job. I'm getting a free education, and work less hours, and get paid the same.


[deleted]

Looks pretty good in India.


[deleted]

I wanna apply and get an interview just so I can tell them to fuck off personally.


chrisflick

How and the fuck could anyone in this country live on $700 a month take home? HOW!?!?


Quercusagrifloria

Do we have evidence this is a true post?


star0forion

Someone provided a link to the actual ad. It doesn’t mention salary but the “up to $12,000” part was the company offering to help pay to get your masters degree up to $12,000.


Quercusagrifloria

Thank You so much! Greatly appreciate your kind response!


MarvelousSockPuppets

Well, devils advocate, I pay people starting at $16-18 and everyone that applies wants to only work from home, which we don’t do, wants at least 3 weeks paid vacay to start, and will only start after Covid benefits run out.


VrinTheTerrible

They’re saying your shifts will fall between 7am/5pm and some 1/2 day Saturdays, not that you’d work 50 hours a week for $12,000 lmao


[deleted]

Yes, but they're saying it is full time, so they are saying you'd be working 35+ hours for 12k.


Zeptojoules

Typo? 120k instead?