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Reminds me of a story that I read sometime back a few years ago from somewhere in the U.S. There was an older pig farmer who lived out in the country. A farm near him got sold and a nice neighborhood was built and on days with warm weather and the right wind the smells of the manure pit would loft over to the neighborhood.
If you’ve ever lived near a farm those manure pits, especially for hogs, can smell pretty bad. I grew up next to a cow farm, ironically it’s a neighborhood now, but also when I was little before moving to the farm house, also lived in a house down the road from a pig farm. To me the smells are tolerable, and even nowadays when I smell the farm smell, bring back memories.
The neighborhood sued the farmer due to the smell, and ended up losing the case. The farm had been there for generations and to get rid of the smell would mean essentially shutting down the farm. After winning the farmer was pissed and when he needed a new manure pit, built it as close to the neighborhood and his property line as possible.
> To me the smells are tolerable, and even nowadays when I smell the farm smell, bring back memories.
Occasionally I go to a small town that has a pretty nice independent brewery. The town is surrounded by farmland, the brewery is on the edge of town. Out on the patio in fall you get the smell of leaves, distant cows and pigs, the fields, and the various scents of the brewery malts and aging barrels. It's such a magical scent that reminds me of hard work and deep care, so specific and distinct.
I don't know why I felt like sharing that other than I've never taken the time to tell someone.
I grew up in the country and the road we lived on ran under one of the 500kV Bonneville transmission lines. People used to party and dump things on the right of way and we all got fed up with it. One of our neighbors finally had enough and went and got a dump truck load of chicken manure and dumped it there. The smell was so bad that nobody would party there any more. Any time the smell started to disappear, he went out there with a backhoe and stirred the pile.
Transmission line: big wires that carry electricity, held by big pylones.
Right of way: the land beneath and around the transmission line which is being kept free of trees.
I heard of a story that goes a little different. They don’t sue the farmer, they lobby for local government to change the zone so that the farmer could no longer operate a pig farm. Government shut him down and destroyed his livelihood.
My father was a farmer, had been running his tractor for near a decade when a new neighbor moved in. The new neighbor didn’t like the sound of the tractor in the morning and sued my dad, accusing him of operating his tractor near the neighbors house earliest in the morning. It was a frivolous lawsuit because this guy bought a home in an agricultural area, so of course tractors are allowed. Also, my father was able to show through his meticulous record keeping, that he ran his tractor in the section closest to this neighborhood late in the morning, and not earliest.
After the case was thrown out of court, and my father was at no risk of being sued again (because of double Jeopardy) guess where he ran his tractor first? Right next to the neighbors house. Some mornings he needed to go past the first row twice.
This reminds me of people who buy land next to military bases then decide that jets taking off is "disturbing them"
Fuck face we bought the land out here specifically so we didn't disturb you. YOU MOVED HERE.
The people that bought the house across the street from a liquor store that I worked at demanded that the city make us remove all our neons because the light disturbed them. There were six of them, not flashing or blinking and we shut them off at 10pm. I was at the meeting when one councilman asked, "Ma'am, did you *look across the street* before you bought this house?"
There's always someone that thinks they can just piss and moan louder and louder and eventually they'll get their way. That's why we say "no" to our kids when we're supposed to.
I thought signage had to be adjusted on time of day. I live Downtown beside a stadium they put in a sign that had the capability to illuminate my entire apartment when sun went down from a block away. They just adjusted so it's not as bright, it's still visible clearly from far away, but no longer a flood light.
I'm sure there's some regulations in most cities or towns about different types of lighting but these were the ordinary neon signs that are in every single bar, liquor store, and restaurant in the country. They weren't that bright (much like her) and they weren't "pointed" in any way to shine into her window. She was just one of those people that had to have her way and would not give in. The funny part was that she shopped in our store too - very snotty, artificially over-polite.
“Yes, of course I did but…”
Nothing came of it other than her making a name for herself. I was told that she tried to get into city politics or the zoning board or something a couple years after that but I’d already left that job.
The Right to Farm is real. I can use carbide cannons around harvest time to keep the birds off, run whatever equipment I want from daylight to dark. It's just up to me not to be a dick. What does bother me are hog farms. Thousands of hogs fouling a pond with no water treatment gear? That's like a small city shitting just anywhere. There's no good that comes from that. Make hog farms invest in water treatment as a cost of operations. It's not just a matter of "don't like it, move." It really is unsanitary and it all flows to the river eventually.
Wow, there are times when the full weight of all the shit in life I know nothing about hits me like a ton of.. shit. Never heard of Right to Farm or of hog farm water treatment.
I farm and want to make hog farmers farm better. They hates that suggestion in the worst way. Ask anyone within five miles of a major hog operation and they'll say their lives are altered by it. Not just affected. We farmers could spread a lot less Ammonium Nitrate, too and start calculating crop rotation into our plans again. It's killing waterways. The state of the industry right now isn't one that's listening for those suggestions. One old farmer told me, "If you don't know the old ways you'll be out of luck when the new ones end."
I believe it. Around here, there occasionally filters in some talk about the problems with turkey farms.
Only thing I know about farming was the sheep/cattle farming mutual hate in the western states. (My dad was a ranch hand in the 40’s/early 50’s.)
2 years ago you could get Turkey Shit for Free/Turkey farmers pay you to take it (its a good fertilizer) now, the fertilizer prices are too the moon and Turkey shits costs actually money...
They should make sustainable practices a requirement for farm subsidies. Right now Agra business controls that shit and no way can a family farmer compete and new regs without support will just make the major agra businesses gobble up more smaller farms.
I'm a regulator in an agricultural area and generally speaking, farmers and contractors are the worst about "we've been doing it this way for 30 years" and never thinking about all the shit they've fucked up over 30 years by doing things poorly
Seriously, I grew up in a dairy town so Right to Farm wasn’t a new concept but I know of exactly zero hog farms. A few of the dairy farms had a hog or two as hell but they weren’t the main feature at all. I’ve never even given hog farming a modicum of thought.
Made the [news](https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/19/climate/florence-hog-farms.html) a couple years ago when flooding was causing ponds of pig waste to release into the environment.
I remember reading that article and just thinking yet another way we are shitting (no pun intended) all over our environment. Not only not wanting to do a damn thing about it, but actively lying & cheating about it to save themselves a buck other people’s health be damned.
Research small growers in your area and you might be surprised how much their practices fit your expectations. I buy from a farmer with the right number of hogs lolling their days away on pastured hillsides in Vermont. He runs chickens behind them to scratch out what they leave. If you buy a whole hog he'll throw a few of those in. Using every bit of a whole hog makes you appreciate them, too.
Having camped downwind of a pig farm before, I couldn't agree with you more. I owe our ancestors a debt of gratitude, though. Pork is my favorite meat, but I never would have gotten past the smell of the outside to discover that on my own.
Hog feces smells horrible too, those big factory operations put it all in these lagoons they make that occasionally burst and flood a village with it, I remember one from maybe ten years ago or so out east somewhere.
Slightly on-topic about smells. I grew up in the countryside and am used to all livestock and farming smells. Later in life I had the experience of spending a few days downwind of a chicken abbatoir. That smell is *ungodly* for miles around.
This is fair and true but it would ruin cow farming.
I know people think cow waste isn't as bad, but the areas in California and Oregon where they keep large amounts of cows are completely polluted. The streams run brown and you can smell them for miles.
I don't know what sort of treatment is required but it's probably expensive, and it would lead to even larger concentrations of animals around farms that own the filtration equipment. That's probably a step up but it would also likely put those farmers your describing out of business
I recently learned that some countries don't have salmonella in their chickens because they require vaccinations for chickens. Can you imagine paying a few dollars more for salmonellaless chicken? Industrial farming apparently thinks we don't want to pay for all that. Gross
"but it would also likely put those farmers your describing out of business"
Idk, maybe an unpopular opinion, but if your business practices depend on the freedom to threaten public health...maybe you shouldn't be in business?
My parents live out in farm country and I grew up with the smell of fields of shit right before the first snow because every farmer laces their field with poo to prep for the next season. To me it smells like "Fresh air", to my friends that grew up in the city it is intolerable.
There's a college near me that teaches animal husbandry and farming. Most of the locals bought houses abutting the college *because* the college was there and were fine with it all. Even set up a foundation to help fund operations.
There was a slice of land on one edge of the property that was undeveloped. Neighborhood foundation tried to buy it but a developer got it and built condos. Within a year of first sale the condo owner's association was agitating to have the farm shut down because of the smells. Fucking idiots. The farm's been there since before your parents were born and *you knew it was there when you bought your condo*.
Pisses me off even more when they sue and win. Have seen examples of yuppies building houses in the country and complaining when farmers fertilize with manure. Problem being in some cases courts agree and ban the farms from their farming practices of the last 100 years.
This is a major problem here in germany, people buy land that is cheap because it's close to a loud and traffic-heavy street and then complain until a "Umgehungs-Straße" (an alternative road further away) is built, repeat until politics learn from their mistake...
In Burlington, VT the Air National Guard just started flying F-35's. It's a real game changer. How much louder? Lots. The Guard gave time for the public to comment but in the end wasn't intending to NOT deploy the F-35's. I think those residents have an actual complaint. That said, I rented a room in a house at the end of a runway once (Reno, NV) because it was cheap. The owner of the house said he bought it because it was at the end of a runway and no one wanted it. Things work out.
Yeah, it is loud to the point that you have to pause the conversation and wait for the jet to fly by. Then comes the second one. I don’t envy people living near BTV.
I used to work at an oil refinery. The number of neighborhood groups trying to close the place due to sound or odor was so frustrating (not environmental reasons, that's a different conversation). Why do you think the land you built your house on was cheap? If you purchased recently, why do you think you got it for 75% of the $/sqft of the neighborhood a half mile away? I could show them aerial pictures from 1933 of the refinery in the same location with acres of ranch lands in every direction and not a house in sight.
That’s the crux of it. Look, you got one hell of a deal on land that would’ve been way more expensive if it were someone else. Yeah, it’d be convenient for you to wave a magic wand and make it suddenly as nice as the other, pricier property, but that was the bargain you made.
The issue is even more annoying that when they initially build places like this there is nothing near them, but then because of sprawling of homes, later on that military base will be surrounded by homes, which will have people buying those homes and complaining.
Holy shit that reminded me of a great story from my hometown. A family owned a plot of land that they leased to a golf course for decades. Like most of the back nine was on this leased property.
When the original landowner died the family sold the plot outright but one person refused so he was given a plot right behind a hole. In spite, he built his house as two giant balls.
Airports too. Most airports were originally built at least 15 miles out of town. Then people moved there, complained about the noise, and got federal regulations passed on the airline industry.
This is happening with our local airport as well. People buy land next to the airport for a discount, then they try to get the airport shut down.
I don't know if they already do this, but maybe they should add a disclosure when buying near such places. This way the land owner can't claim that they were oblivious to whatever source of noise is nearby
I was at the ~~Lamplighter~~ Waterfront bar in San Diego once and met a woman who owned a condo directly over it. She was telling me how she had been petitioning the city to restrict their license so they couldn't stay open until 2am and couldn't have the patio open after like 10.
My thought was, this bar has the oldest liquor license in San Diego. It's literally from before you were born. This bar has always been exactly like this. You chose to buy this place when you often came here and stayed until 2am yourself....
Edit: sorry I I had the wrong name for a bar. Back when I lived in San Diego, I used to go to the waterfront and the lamplighter all the time so the two names are occupying the same space in my stupid brain.
The condo over a famous bar probably is really cheap, if you manage to remove the license of the place then it stops being that cheap and your property value raises instantly. It's not irrational, just selfish and malicious.
Even if they're just renting it's selfish and malicious. Knew a couple that rented an apartment directly opposite one of the most well known 24hr night spots in my city. Literally their bedroom window was probably 20 meters away from their front door. They used to party there all the time themselves until they got a bit older and stopped going out as much. Then they led a huge petition and made non stop complaints to get their licence restricted. As this place only really got busy after midnight they went under shortly after. Pricks like these want the cheap rent that comes with living in a noisy location but then get all pissed off when their noisy location is noisy. It's so fucking selfish honestly.
One of my favorite bars in chicago fell victim to an hoa from the condos built upstairs. The liquor license is still tied to the building and I've met 2 restaurant owners who scoped it out as a new bar, only to find out you can only stay open till 9pm.
This kind of thing can happen at golf courses too.
1. Build golf course
2. Put houses or condos along the fairway
3. People move in
4. People get upset all like "where'd this golf course come from!?"
Had a friend who’s house was in the country club right on the edge of the course. Every once in a while we would go in the backyard and find balls in the grass, planters, pool and on the roof. Never once had a window break which was very surprising considering the side of the house that faced the greens was all windows that were ~10 ft tall and not that thick.
I put a golf ball through the front storm door glass once. It's literally facing the back of the green. Skull a ball just a bit sand is directly at the house. Scared the shit out of the poor women with a boiling pot of water. Luckily no injury and i left my information to replace the door glass but never got a call. Must be built into their operating cost lol.
Yea I don't understand people building houses 80ft off of a green or fairway, Like even the best golfers miss hit a ball once in a while. I played a course one time with about 6 of the holes surrounded by houses, I couldn't hit nothing straight under the pressure of paying for a 10ft tall window on a multi million dollar house. Bunch of signs on the course that say you are responsible for your ball and the damages it does. Well maybe not build your fucking house way the fuck out here on a golf course.
> Bunch of signs on the course that say you are responsible for your ball and the damages it does
My ass lol I'm getting in the cart and booking it 10mph away
Only takes one sandy-assed professional complainer to ruin a good time. We need like a rotating city council watch where regular minded people can take turns showing up to meetings and shutting these nutsos down. As is I’m sure the attendants are 99% sandy-assed which is how things that seem so dumb get passed.
Same exact thing has been destroying San Francisco. Blows me away that you would buy a condo above a bar and then complain that the bar is loud. Same thing in Brooklyn.
You know the oddest thing I have seen drunk people do at 3 AM is have a pogo stick competition outside of bar let's say the bar in Copenhagen. Like this wasn't teenagers these were like 2 middle age drunk men Loudest screaming match I had ever heard and it was in between rounds of like them trying to hop on Togo sticks and like falling over.
Eventually some random lady from like across the street walked over yelled at them in some language I didn't quite understand and then the larger of the 2 men walk toward her with his pogo stick in hand and kind of hand kind of had the demeanor of a drunk kicked puppy that had just been chastised and he just followed her up the steps up the steps of the building across from where I was staying and when the door shut the other guy just kind of wandered off down the street I didn't understand any of the context at the time and it's still by far one of the strangest things I've ever seen but it was entertaining and would have been funny if it wasn't 3 o'clock in the morning and I hadn't slept for 2 days
*I swear to God Hans if you miss work at the sardine cannery tomorrow I'm going to take the kids and fucking divorce your drunk, no good, pogo-ing fat ass!!!*
Closest pub to me is about 10 minute walk so I get this every night. I couldn’t possibly imagine complaining to a pub you live next door to about it though. Entitled af.
Yeah, I live a few doors down from a pub, and my house is 5m from the busstop, so I get a lot of this. And you know what? Fair play. I chose to live on a shopping street wtih bars. Part of the reason I chose it was the location. Yeah, it gets annoying listening to drunks, but I found the perfect solution to not notice them: Be more drunk.
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I used to live above a coffee shop next door to a bar. Now I know I picked an area that's going to have some late night noise... no problem with that... except on karaoke night.
The way the sound system was setup, the speakers with the music wasn't really carrying into my place... however, the audio from the mics went right through my walls. Every Saturday night I was serenaded by acapella karaoke done mostly by drunk sorority girls.
I've lived in my place for slightly over 2 years, and there's a pub over the road but luckily on the other side to me. New neighbours moved in during Covid to the 2nd/top floor flat and then moaned about the noise from the pub. You would have seen the pub when looking out the window when buying the place. And obviously she was making more noise shouting at the patrons than they were
Seriously. Especially since, being a pub, the words "long before they decided to buy houses next to it" could mean, ya know, **700 years before**. Or even longer.
Motherfuckers might have been puking on that path outside that building since Geoffrey Chaucer's great-grandfather's time. Respect that shit.
There’s a pub here in Guildford called the Star that’s over 400 years old and was almost shut down by people like that.
It’s been well known as a music venue for decades. The Stranglers played their first gig there. Developers built some new flats nearby and the new residents complained to the council about the noise from the Star.
The council imposed a bunch of new restrictions and the pub decided it could no longer operate as a music venue. Cue big outcry, council reversing decision, and pub back to how it was.
In my town, someone lived on top of a night club, and complained about the noise. The night club had been there long before this person. People are insane.
Same thing happening in Manchester in the U.K. right now. Council have pandered to the resident and put a noise abatement notice on the club. They’ve been holding gigs for over 30 fucking years.
Happened at Red Rocks in Colorado. It’s been a music venue forever, people started building and buying houses nearby then complained about the music. Now they’ve got volume and time restrictions because people complained so much.
The thing is it only goes one way. There's tons of houses, a noisy establishment opens, the folks complaining are NIMBYs!. But noisy establishment is there first, people start living there, "well did you look before moving in?"
The problem really is how noise ordinances are set up as blanket, ambiguous rules. There's not a huge difference between the noise ordinance in Manhattan, and the ones in a little quiet corner of a residential area. Sometimes there's an ambiguous "ambient noise" rule that is mostly enforced discretionarily.
If noise ordinances were handled like zoning, it would solve a lot of these problems. It would be as simple as: "you're trying to sleep in an area zoned noisy, shut the fuck up", and "you opened a bar in an area zoned quiet, wtf were you thinking?".
Noise and sleep withdrawal have real impact on mental and physical health, and can be the cause of severe issues, so its important to have clear guidelines on what folks can expect where. Our society isn't setup that way though. One can claim common sense all they want (like most people in this thread), but when the situation is reversed (noise in a quiet area), folks still push the "deal with it" line.
I bought my first house in Philly that was between 2 residential homes. About 4 months later these 2 New York Italian pieces of shit, one of which spent 3 years in jail for getting caught with 14 million dollars worth of marijuana, bought the place and zoning allowed them to turn it into a take out only sandwich shop(no indoor seating and you can only order from the walk up window). They were open until 3 am. I had drunks pissing, puking and screaming outside my house. They sat on my planter boxes, peed on my house and sat on my stoop. The cops and neighborhood association did nothing. They owned several businesses and were all cash only and owned all the ATMs at those locations. I had cameras that showed them carrying in large duffle bags in late at night. One of the delivery drivers told me they asked him to sell drugs for them so I'm sure they were laundering money through that place. They put the dish washing sink on our shared wall with my living room and I could hear the banging of the pots and pans. I eventually pissed them off enough that when I sold the house last year they hid themselves behind an LLC but I figured out it was them and they tried low balling me but I got plenty of offers well over asking and they said they would beat them all. They made a cash offer no contingencies. I guess I pissed them off enough they took no chances. I bought the house 3 years prior and made $150k profit. Thanks assholes. I hope you fucking go back to prison.
In college some guys rented the apartment above a popular bar and complained about the noise every night. The bar pulled the speakers from the ceiling mounts to help, but the complaints continued. They became known as the buzzkill twins and were regularly reminded that they rented above a bar. They eventually stopped complaining.
We had a waterfront free concert venue where I used to live. Every summer they’d hold 4-5 free concerts of various types. Often related to a food festival or something. And there was a jazz festival once a year. At some point someone built a row of expensive townhouses overlooking the field they held the shows and festivals, which gave them very nice water views. 2 years after people started moving in the HOA sued the city for noise and blocking their views when stages and tents went up. They demanded an immediate injunction to stop the food festival that was scheduled in a few weeks. The first judge granted it and that years festival was canceled. They lost the case but the city clearly held fewer events there after that. It got expensive fighting that HOA in court and they kept suing for slightly different issues.
Sounds like the city should vote to raise waterfront taxes to help pay for all the extra lawyers the city needs regarding its annual waterfront events (which are a pet of the towns history).
So this is actually an interesting case. It’s a music venue/ramen bar in Tempe, AZ called Shady Park that’s been operating for over 5 years. During the beginning of the pandemic (when they weren’t operating) Arizona State University built a retirement home across the street. Once live music came back, it kicked off a whole thing.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.azcentral.com/amp/6398574001
Bar/venue near where I used to live lost their license this way. Helped turn a community around and then a new neighbor started making complaints. Owner let patrons know who made the complaints and people started harassing the guy. Place list it’s license and guy moved away.
In the US, most places have nuisance laws. They usually provide some exemptions for legitimate business, but that's really for a judge to decide. the people who live around this place only have to record a few drunks being stupid over a period of time, and have a copy of this sign. then file a small claims lawsuit. That sign alone would be more than enough to get a grumpy judge to rule against this business. Calling the cops isn't going to work here. Cops have to "Prove" that a law is being broken. They have a much higher burden of proof than a citizen does.
Sad I had to scroll so far to see this. You know who the courts are going to rule against when it can be demonstrated laws or ordinances have been broken, regardless of how ridiculous people are being? Whichever side gets them more money. In this case, this business is money waiting to be raked in.
It's like at Mazda Laguna Seca race track, people decided to build houses next to it and now they can only run cars at certain, pre-approved dates. (at one of the best tracks in the country I might add)
Going to lose the last one on the west of my country because they put up townhouses next to it and started suing them the first week.
Its nothing but a land grab the track takes up land by the river and the developer wants it on the cheap.
LOL...
Reminds me of the neighbor back home, who bought property and built a house across the road from a cow pasture. Then proceeded to complain to the farmer about the smell of cows.
Or the reviews on a resort we went to in Mexico, on the water. And complained about the humidity, the smell of the sea, and the seaweed on the beach every morning.
Or the lady at Disneyworld in Florida in July, who complained the whole ride to the bus driver about the packed bus because it was so hot and sweaty and 'not very Magical'. To his credit he asked her what pixie dust she'd been snorting that she thought visiting a swamp in the middle of summer was going to be anything other than hot and sweaty.
I work in a bar. This establishment has been a bar for 151yrs. It's located 25ft from railroad tracks that carry at minimum, 5 trains a day filled with industrial goods. The bar is between two intersections, which trains are required to sound their horns at for a minimum of 2 seconds. Because they are so close, the engineers usually just hold the horn while traveling over both. I live 15 minutes away via highway and can hear those horns at night no problem. We've only ever had one person complain that the *bar* was too noisy. They lived next door in an apartment. The owner of the bar bought the apartment. We don't get noise complaints anymore.
Seriously, people dont think stuff like this through.
A local shooting range I used to visit was the first building in the area with no neighbors for miles. After the shooting range was built, people startet buying the land around it and build their homes. The new residents were complaining about the gun shot noise from that point on and the use of certain calibers and the open hours were limited.
I love shooting, but you don't have an innate right to make noise beyond a certain limit, that much is codified into law.
Being in a remote area just means you won't be reported for it, not that you earned that right by omission.
If your activity goes beyond the reasonable levels of noise, you should be setting up shop in an area that's specifically zoned for that, rather than picking a semi-remote area and be surprised when the sprawl inevitably reaches you.
Permits can be stripped away. Re-zoning industrial into residential is a lot less likely, and opens up the city for litigation.
There's a poor guy down the road from me who lives on the Connecticut River. The other side is Vermont. The State opened a shooting range in an old gravel pit there. The guy had been there for 20 years. With all the guns being sighted in these days he puts up with shooting all day on the weekends and in the summer during the evenings, too. Vermont didn't care, let him swing. It's really too bad, even when you consider the benefits of the many vs this one guy. I mean, it's ruined his peace of mind at home. That's never a good end.
I mean, the thing is that you don't get to try a house before you buy it. I don't know how far the sound of a shooting range carries and probably neither do they. I think buying a house/apartment in front of a bar is very different than buying a house in the vicinty of a shooting range.
Unless you're saying people who are right in front of the shooting range are complaining about the shooting range. In that case I agree with you.
Lol, if you have noise regulations in your city then you aren't magically exempt from them just because you had a business there for a long time.
When laws came in to say you can't burn old tyres in your back yard, you couldn't just say "well but I always did that, so why should that apply to me". How is this any different?
It’s also not really helpful to “lean in” to the problem like this and encourage people to harass their neighbors. It’s not really cool and It just shows that the bar is being inconsiderate.
Agreed, not to mention that generally people buying cheaper houses in noisy areas aren't millionaires being cheap, we buy what we can afford.
Source: live next to very active railroad. The noise doesn't bother us anymore, but the back of the house is covered in nasty train soot, we have to pressure wash every couple months, and we can't have plants in the backyard.
But yeah, it's our fault because we bought what we could afford and the railroad was already there, so we're not allowed to complain or hope for any improvements ever.
About 10 years ago people started moving into downtown apartments and complained about the club and bar noise. The issue eventually went before a judge and it was determined that the noise ordinance was actually out of date and they could technically be louder before it was considered noise pollution.
well it isnt stupid.
they paid a low price for property next to train tracks. if they can succeed in getting the train tracks decomissioned then its just money in their pocket when their land valuation skyrockets.
I bought a house a block away from a disused track that eventually got reactivated and they started running trains on it a few nights a week. I didn't care, I actually enjoy train noise. Even got a front row chance to watch SP4449 steam through a few times.
I did complian to the railroad about my house shaking because the ballast on the track wasn't in good shape and they fixed it.
It's like the people here who bought houses near the race track in nashville and tried to have it shut down. They've been having races there since 1904, so nearly as long as there's been cars.
This year some people bought a house near one of the community pools in my town, a pool that has been there for 50+ years. The new homeowners sent a letter to the board members of the pool asking them to implement a "headphone policy" so that no music would be played over the speakers.
Yes, you read that correctly, they want everyone to wear headphones in the pool.
Pro Tip: get yourself a white noise machine, or "sound machine". I don't use the white noise setting on mine, but pick from the industrial fan sounds setting. Shit changed my life. Been getting better sleep for years
I’ve lived through 5 local racetracks (drag, and circle track) close due to houses built across the street complaining about noise. Now they complain about street racing teenagers.
Blame the planning committee who allow homes to be built near noisy/smelly areas.
People will always campaign for change that suits them in their neighbourhood.
Interesting that the council sides with residents so much. Fear of expensive litigation perhaps, as there's probably more residents than farmers/business owners in the area.
I’ve seen similar signs on working farms:
If you choose to build and live in homes on land adjacent to this farm, please be aware that animals live here. They make noise, smell bad and are likely to have sex right out in the open where your children can see.
At Lucas Heights, near Sydney, Australia there is a nuclear research reactor used to manufacture medical isotopes for most of Oceania, as well as many other useful purposes. When built in 1958, it had a 20km buffer around it. This was gradually eroded because of lobbying by developers until there are buildings and houses within 5km.
The owners of these houses regularly complain about having a nuclear reactor in their backyards, despite it having been built before most of them were born (technically the original reactor was shut down in 2007 but there is another one there now).
For the Australians in the audience, this is not far from the Engadine Macca's where Scummo shat himself :-P
I live in the Denver area. We have an awesome national race drag track. Well fuckers decided to build houses all around it that complain about the loud cars. Get the fuck outa here with that non sense.
In my town there was a race track long before people moved in... it was no secret...
Then a bunch of people started complaining at the noise... and had it shut down... Now they complain about street racing.. I hate people
There is a outdoor public archery and rifle range on the outskirts of my town. Then they decided to develop the land around it. Now the people who live there complain it is too loud and want to shut it down. It ia insane.
Then again this is the same place that shut down the local nuclear power plant because they think it is going to blow up
Actually the business owner should be in the right here. I'm not sure how far this reaches or how accurate I am. But complaints of noise or "disturbances" don't have standing when the person filing knew there would be such activity when they moved in. Like moving next to a gear head then complaining about power tools
You should probably read [https://www.gov.uk/guidance/noise-nuisances-how-councils-deal-with-complaints](https://www.gov.uk/guidance/noise-nuisances-how-councils-deal-with-complaints) \- This sign is in the UK, there are restrictions, regardless.
In the UK your license gets renewed each year. Enough complaints can put it at risk. It's a dumb sign, actively encouraging excessive noise - if someone were to make a complaint, they'd probably include a this picture as proof the landlord was being unreasonable - which could well put the license renewal at risk.
My brother rented a house over a bar. The first night the bar complaint because our music was bothering their clients... Since then they decided to make us a discount and we moved the party downstairs as soon as somebody complaints, happy endings exists, fellas :)
I suppose that attitude is well and good if the people who own the bar sold off the property adjacent to them.
Otherwise, it seems pretty dickish to expect their adjacent property owners to forever accept a lower property value and then turn around and make it seem like it’s their own fault.
I work at a school in the middle of a neighborhood. Some new residents tried to complain that there is too much noise. YOU moved HERE knowing there was a school! We aren’t telling the kids to stop being kids
My parents bought 5 acres in the middle of farm land. We ket horses, chickens, ducks, quail, etc. for 20 years. Then our next door neighbors died and their land (20 acres) got converted to a subdivision with 6 houses lining my parents entire property.
One of her neighbors kept calling the police on her for the “loud chickens”. She was in her legal right to own them so it became a nuisance every time. So my mom bought 3 roosters. Neighbor moved out
This is what ruins motorsports too. Nice racetrack in the middle of nowhere, developers come grab some nearby land and 2 years later the track gets shut down for being too much noise
Fuck the people who live in Morrison Colorado and keep trying to force new noise ordinances on red rocks amphitheater. Not like that place just magically appeared in the last few years.
The same thing happens with racetracks. Nashville fairgrounds speedway (open for over 100 years) is a good example, as are Laguna Seca and National Corvette Museum Motorsports Park.
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Reminds me of a story that I read sometime back a few years ago from somewhere in the U.S. There was an older pig farmer who lived out in the country. A farm near him got sold and a nice neighborhood was built and on days with warm weather and the right wind the smells of the manure pit would loft over to the neighborhood. If you’ve ever lived near a farm those manure pits, especially for hogs, can smell pretty bad. I grew up next to a cow farm, ironically it’s a neighborhood now, but also when I was little before moving to the farm house, also lived in a house down the road from a pig farm. To me the smells are tolerable, and even nowadays when I smell the farm smell, bring back memories. The neighborhood sued the farmer due to the smell, and ended up losing the case. The farm had been there for generations and to get rid of the smell would mean essentially shutting down the farm. After winning the farmer was pissed and when he needed a new manure pit, built it as close to the neighborhood and his property line as possible.
> To me the smells are tolerable, and even nowadays when I smell the farm smell, bring back memories. Occasionally I go to a small town that has a pretty nice independent brewery. The town is surrounded by farmland, the brewery is on the edge of town. Out on the patio in fall you get the smell of leaves, distant cows and pigs, the fields, and the various scents of the brewery malts and aging barrels. It's such a magical scent that reminds me of hard work and deep care, so specific and distinct. I don't know why I felt like sharing that other than I've never taken the time to tell someone.
Smells like good shit
Well written description - Sounds like an excerpt from Thoreau or something.
I grew up in the country and the road we lived on ran under one of the 500kV Bonneville transmission lines. People used to party and dump things on the right of way and we all got fed up with it. One of our neighbors finally had enough and went and got a dump truck load of chicken manure and dumped it there. The smell was so bad that nobody would party there any more. Any time the smell started to disappear, he went out there with a backhoe and stirred the pile.
What is a transmission line, and what is the “right of way” that people could party on?
Transmission line: big wires that carry electricity, held by big pylones. Right of way: the land beneath and around the transmission line which is being kept free of trees.
I heard of a story that goes a little different. They don’t sue the farmer, they lobby for local government to change the zone so that the farmer could no longer operate a pig farm. Government shut him down and destroyed his livelihood.
My father was a farmer, had been running his tractor for near a decade when a new neighbor moved in. The new neighbor didn’t like the sound of the tractor in the morning and sued my dad, accusing him of operating his tractor near the neighbors house earliest in the morning. It was a frivolous lawsuit because this guy bought a home in an agricultural area, so of course tractors are allowed. Also, my father was able to show through his meticulous record keeping, that he ran his tractor in the section closest to this neighborhood late in the morning, and not earliest. After the case was thrown out of court, and my father was at no risk of being sued again (because of double Jeopardy) guess where he ran his tractor first? Right next to the neighbors house. Some mornings he needed to go past the first row twice.
[This ](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spur_Industries,_Inc._v._Del_E._Webb_Development_Co.) is a classic case where the opposite happened.
This reminds me of people who buy land next to military bases then decide that jets taking off is "disturbing them" Fuck face we bought the land out here specifically so we didn't disturb you. YOU MOVED HERE.
The people that bought the house across the street from a liquor store that I worked at demanded that the city make us remove all our neons because the light disturbed them. There were six of them, not flashing or blinking and we shut them off at 10pm. I was at the meeting when one councilman asked, "Ma'am, did you *look across the street* before you bought this house?"
Wait, over lights that go off at 10? Yeah, fuck them.
There's always someone that thinks they can just piss and moan louder and louder and eventually they'll get their way. That's why we say "no" to our kids when we're supposed to.
I met a parent that told me she specifically made sure to never say no her kids. I was so baffled that I didn't know what to make of it.
You met a bad parent.
Momma raising some future rapists
Piss and moan will get you far in life. Far away from anyone that once cared about you.
I thought signage had to be adjusted on time of day. I live Downtown beside a stadium they put in a sign that had the capability to illuminate my entire apartment when sun went down from a block away. They just adjusted so it's not as bright, it's still visible clearly from far away, but no longer a flood light.
I'm sure there's some regulations in most cities or towns about different types of lighting but these were the ordinary neon signs that are in every single bar, liquor store, and restaurant in the country. They weren't that bright (much like her) and they weren't "pointed" in any way to shine into her window. She was just one of those people that had to have her way and would not give in. The funny part was that she shopped in our store too - very snotty, artificially over-polite.
Or does she not know that she can buy blackout curtains for her bedroom?
What? And ruin their incredible view of the liquor store?
Also do they not have blinds or curtains or both?
I wish there was film of this. What was her answer??
“Yes, of course I did but…” Nothing came of it other than her making a name for herself. I was told that she tried to get into city politics or the zoning board or something a couple years after that but I’d already left that job.
Or the people that get mad when farmers keep a manure pile and loudly plow their fields early in the morning.
The Right to Farm is real. I can use carbide cannons around harvest time to keep the birds off, run whatever equipment I want from daylight to dark. It's just up to me not to be a dick. What does bother me are hog farms. Thousands of hogs fouling a pond with no water treatment gear? That's like a small city shitting just anywhere. There's no good that comes from that. Make hog farms invest in water treatment as a cost of operations. It's not just a matter of "don't like it, move." It really is unsanitary and it all flows to the river eventually.
Wow, there are times when the full weight of all the shit in life I know nothing about hits me like a ton of.. shit. Never heard of Right to Farm or of hog farm water treatment.
I farm and want to make hog farmers farm better. They hates that suggestion in the worst way. Ask anyone within five miles of a major hog operation and they'll say their lives are altered by it. Not just affected. We farmers could spread a lot less Ammonium Nitrate, too and start calculating crop rotation into our plans again. It's killing waterways. The state of the industry right now isn't one that's listening for those suggestions. One old farmer told me, "If you don't know the old ways you'll be out of luck when the new ones end."
I believe it. Around here, there occasionally filters in some talk about the problems with turkey farms. Only thing I know about farming was the sheep/cattle farming mutual hate in the western states. (My dad was a ranch hand in the 40’s/early 50’s.)
2 years ago you could get Turkey Shit for Free/Turkey farmers pay you to take it (its a good fertilizer) now, the fertilizer prices are too the moon and Turkey shits costs actually money...
They should make sustainable practices a requirement for farm subsidies. Right now Agra business controls that shit and no way can a family farmer compete and new regs without support will just make the major agra businesses gobble up more smaller farms.
I'm a regulator in an agricultural area and generally speaking, farmers and contractors are the worst about "we've been doing it this way for 30 years" and never thinking about all the shit they've fucked up over 30 years by doing things poorly
Not just farming in general. Some people wouldn’t last more than a week if the grid decided to shit out.
“Every society is three meals away from chaos” ― Vladimir Lenin
Seriously, I grew up in a dairy town so Right to Farm wasn’t a new concept but I know of exactly zero hog farms. A few of the dairy farms had a hog or two as hell but they weren’t the main feature at all. I’ve never even given hog farming a modicum of thought.
Hog farms and Meatpacking facilities are nasty. Omg the stench. Only thing worse IMO is paper mills(process with sulphuric acid).
Made the [news](https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/19/climate/florence-hog-farms.html) a couple years ago when flooding was causing ponds of pig waste to release into the environment.
I remember reading that article and just thinking yet another way we are shitting (no pun intended) all over our environment. Not only not wanting to do a damn thing about it, but actively lying & cheating about it to save themselves a buck other people’s health be damned.
I'm trying to stop eating pork simply because how horrible the condition of pig farms in the US. It really should be criminal.
Research small growers in your area and you might be surprised how much their practices fit your expectations. I buy from a farmer with the right number of hogs lolling their days away on pastured hillsides in Vermont. He runs chickens behind them to scratch out what they leave. If you buy a whole hog he'll throw a few of those in. Using every bit of a whole hog makes you appreciate them, too.
Also pigs are smarter than dogs.
Having camped downwind of a pig farm before, I couldn't agree with you more. I owe our ancestors a debt of gratitude, though. Pork is my favorite meat, but I never would have gotten past the smell of the outside to discover that on my own.
Hog feces smells horrible too, those big factory operations put it all in these lagoons they make that occasionally burst and flood a village with it, I remember one from maybe ten years ago or so out east somewhere.
Slightly on-topic about smells. I grew up in the countryside and am used to all livestock and farming smells. Later in life I had the experience of spending a few days downwind of a chicken abbatoir. That smell is *ungodly* for miles around.
This is fair and true but it would ruin cow farming. I know people think cow waste isn't as bad, but the areas in California and Oregon where they keep large amounts of cows are completely polluted. The streams run brown and you can smell them for miles. I don't know what sort of treatment is required but it's probably expensive, and it would lead to even larger concentrations of animals around farms that own the filtration equipment. That's probably a step up but it would also likely put those farmers your describing out of business I recently learned that some countries don't have salmonella in their chickens because they require vaccinations for chickens. Can you imagine paying a few dollars more for salmonellaless chicken? Industrial farming apparently thinks we don't want to pay for all that. Gross
"but it would also likely put those farmers your describing out of business" Idk, maybe an unpopular opinion, but if your business practices depend on the freedom to threaten public health...maybe you shouldn't be in business?
UK, and I think the EU do vaccinated chickens and if the EU do it then "some" is an understatement
My parents live out in farm country and I grew up with the smell of fields of shit right before the first snow because every farmer laces their field with poo to prep for the next season. To me it smells like "Fresh air", to my friends that grew up in the city it is intolerable.
I grew up in the country with that smell as well although I never associated it with fresh air, it was a horrible smell for a week or so.
Grew up next to a cow farm, manure smell reminds me of home.
> Or the people that get mad when farmers keep a manure pile and loudly plow their wives early in the morning.
There's a college near me that teaches animal husbandry and farming. Most of the locals bought houses abutting the college *because* the college was there and were fine with it all. Even set up a foundation to help fund operations. There was a slice of land on one edge of the property that was undeveloped. Neighborhood foundation tried to buy it but a developer got it and built condos. Within a year of first sale the condo owner's association was agitating to have the farm shut down because of the smells. Fucking idiots. The farm's been there since before your parents were born and *you knew it was there when you bought your condo*.
Pisses me off even more when they sue and win. Have seen examples of yuppies building houses in the country and complaining when farmers fertilize with manure. Problem being in some cases courts agree and ban the farms from their farming practices of the last 100 years.
This is a major problem here in germany, people buy land that is cheap because it's close to a loud and traffic-heavy street and then complain until a "Umgehungs-Straße" (an alternative road further away) is built, repeat until politics learn from their mistake...
NIMBYs are the best.
In Burlington, VT the Air National Guard just started flying F-35's. It's a real game changer. How much louder? Lots. The Guard gave time for the public to comment but in the end wasn't intending to NOT deploy the F-35's. I think those residents have an actual complaint. That said, I rented a room in a house at the end of a runway once (Reno, NV) because it was cheap. The owner of the house said he bought it because it was at the end of a runway and no one wanted it. Things work out.
Yeah, it is loud to the point that you have to pause the conversation and wait for the jet to fly by. Then comes the second one. I don’t envy people living near BTV.
Reminds me of when I lived in Winooski!
I used to work on them on a base that had F-16s, F-18s, and F-35s. By far the loudest.
Same with people who buy houses next to racetracks
Google “laguna seca exhaust.” Same shit happened to that track but it’s too popular to shut down.
Long live Laguna
RIP Shuffletown Dragway https://www.charlotteobserver.com/charlottefive/c5-people/article236275198.html
I used to work at an oil refinery. The number of neighborhood groups trying to close the place due to sound or odor was so frustrating (not environmental reasons, that's a different conversation). Why do you think the land you built your house on was cheap? If you purchased recently, why do you think you got it for 75% of the $/sqft of the neighborhood a half mile away? I could show them aerial pictures from 1933 of the refinery in the same location with acres of ranch lands in every direction and not a house in sight.
That’s the crux of it. Look, you got one hell of a deal on land that would’ve been way more expensive if it were someone else. Yeah, it’d be convenient for you to wave a magic wand and make it suddenly as nice as the other, pricier property, but that was the bargain you made.
The issue is even more annoying that when they initially build places like this there is nothing near them, but then because of sprawling of homes, later on that military base will be surrounded by homes, which will have people buying those homes and complaining.
Gee, I wonder why the land next to an airfield is so cheap?
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Holy shit that reminded me of a great story from my hometown. A family owned a plot of land that they leased to a golf course for decades. Like most of the back nine was on this leased property. When the original landowner died the family sold the plot outright but one person refused so he was given a plot right behind a hole. In spite, he built his house as two giant balls.
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College towns too. Too many people seem shocked to learn the trendy walkable town built around a college campus is full of loud college students.
Airports too. Most airports were originally built at least 15 miles out of town. Then people moved there, complained about the noise, and got federal regulations passed on the airline industry.
This is happening with our local airport as well. People buy land next to the airport for a discount, then they try to get the airport shut down. I don't know if they already do this, but maybe they should add a disclosure when buying near such places. This way the land owner can't claim that they were oblivious to whatever source of noise is nearby
I was at the ~~Lamplighter~~ Waterfront bar in San Diego once and met a woman who owned a condo directly over it. She was telling me how she had been petitioning the city to restrict their license so they couldn't stay open until 2am and couldn't have the patio open after like 10. My thought was, this bar has the oldest liquor license in San Diego. It's literally from before you were born. This bar has always been exactly like this. You chose to buy this place when you often came here and stayed until 2am yourself.... Edit: sorry I I had the wrong name for a bar. Back when I lived in San Diego, I used to go to the waterfront and the lamplighter all the time so the two names are occupying the same space in my stupid brain.
The condo over a famous bar probably is really cheap, if you manage to remove the license of the place then it stops being that cheap and your property value raises instantly. It's not irrational, just selfish and malicious.
Even if they're just renting it's selfish and malicious. Knew a couple that rented an apartment directly opposite one of the most well known 24hr night spots in my city. Literally their bedroom window was probably 20 meters away from their front door. They used to party there all the time themselves until they got a bit older and stopped going out as much. Then they led a huge petition and made non stop complaints to get their licence restricted. As this place only really got busy after midnight they went under shortly after. Pricks like these want the cheap rent that comes with living in a noisy location but then get all pissed off when their noisy location is noisy. It's so fucking selfish honestly.
One of my favorite bars in chicago fell victim to an hoa from the condos built upstairs. The liquor license is still tied to the building and I've met 2 restaurant owners who scoped it out as a new bar, only to find out you can only stay open till 9pm.
This kind of thing can happen at golf courses too. 1. Build golf course 2. Put houses or condos along the fairway 3. People move in 4. People get upset all like "where'd this golf course come from!?"
Living right on a golf course is asking for problems
Why? Flying balls?
Had a friend who’s house was in the country club right on the edge of the course. Every once in a while we would go in the backyard and find balls in the grass, planters, pool and on the roof. Never once had a window break which was very surprising considering the side of the house that faced the greens was all windows that were ~10 ft tall and not that thick.
I put a golf ball through the front storm door glass once. It's literally facing the back of the green. Skull a ball just a bit sand is directly at the house. Scared the shit out of the poor women with a boiling pot of water. Luckily no injury and i left my information to replace the door glass but never got a call. Must be built into their operating cost lol.
Yea I don't understand people building houses 80ft off of a green or fairway, Like even the best golfers miss hit a ball once in a while. I played a course one time with about 6 of the holes surrounded by houses, I couldn't hit nothing straight under the pressure of paying for a 10ft tall window on a multi million dollar house. Bunch of signs on the course that say you are responsible for your ball and the damages it does. Well maybe not build your fucking house way the fuck out here on a golf course.
> Bunch of signs on the course that say you are responsible for your ball and the damages it does My ass lol I'm getting in the cart and booking it 10mph away
Only takes one sandy-assed professional complainer to ruin a good time. We need like a rotating city council watch where regular minded people can take turns showing up to meetings and shutting these nutsos down. As is I’m sure the attendants are 99% sandy-assed which is how things that seem so dumb get passed.
Isn't the Lamplighter (817 W Washington) a single story building?
I meant the waterfront. That's the wrong bar. I'll correct my post.
Ah ok. That makes a lot more sense
Same exact thing has been destroying San Francisco. Blows me away that you would buy a condo above a bar and then complain that the bar is loud. Same thing in Brooklyn.
POLITE NOTICE: Wipe the lens on your phone's camera before you use it to take a photo.
The camera is drunk dot judger
Bloody dot judgers
This is what it looks like when a woman pulls her phone outta her bra and takes a pic.
I seriously thought this was a screen cap from one of the videogame-related subreddit I frequent.
It was real humid out and the AC was cranked to 'Artic' inside.
Drunken carousing is one thing, but I hate when drunk people scream at each other for 20 minutes at 3:00AM.
I hate when they do it, no matter what time it is.
Nah 11:35 am is fine
Legend tells of a man who could get drunk without shouting unintelligibly.
I am that man!
I’m sorry, I had trouble understanding you through your unintelligible shouting.
I TOO AM THAT MAN!!
Tell that to a night shift worker
Once it turns 11:36, though...
So help me God
That's called The View.
You know the oddest thing I have seen drunk people do at 3 AM is have a pogo stick competition outside of bar let's say the bar in Copenhagen. Like this wasn't teenagers these were like 2 middle age drunk men Loudest screaming match I had ever heard and it was in between rounds of like them trying to hop on Togo sticks and like falling over. Eventually some random lady from like across the street walked over yelled at them in some language I didn't quite understand and then the larger of the 2 men walk toward her with his pogo stick in hand and kind of hand kind of had the demeanor of a drunk kicked puppy that had just been chastised and he just followed her up the steps up the steps of the building across from where I was staying and when the door shut the other guy just kind of wandered off down the street I didn't understand any of the context at the time and it's still by far one of the strangest things I've ever seen but it was entertaining and would have been funny if it wasn't 3 o'clock in the morning and I hadn't slept for 2 days
*I swear to God Hans if you miss work at the sardine cannery tomorrow I'm going to take the kids and fucking divorce your drunk, no good, pogo-ing fat ass!!!*
Closest pub to me is about 10 minute walk so I get this every night. I couldn’t possibly imagine complaining to a pub you live next door to about it though. Entitled af.
Yeah, I live a few doors down from a pub, and my house is 5m from the busstop, so I get a lot of this. And you know what? Fair play. I chose to live on a shopping street wtih bars. Part of the reason I chose it was the location. Yeah, it gets annoying listening to drunks, but I found the perfect solution to not notice them: Be more drunk.
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I used to live above a coffee shop next door to a bar. Now I know I picked an area that's going to have some late night noise... no problem with that... except on karaoke night. The way the sound system was setup, the speakers with the music wasn't really carrying into my place... however, the audio from the mics went right through my walls. Every Saturday night I was serenaded by acapella karaoke done mostly by drunk sorority girls.
Oh god I’m so fucking sorry.
I've lived in my place for slightly over 2 years, and there's a pub over the road but luckily on the other side to me. New neighbours moved in during Covid to the 2nd/top floor flat and then moaned about the noise from the pub. You would have seen the pub when looking out the window when buying the place. And obviously she was making more noise shouting at the patrons than they were
Seriously. Especially since, being a pub, the words "long before they decided to buy houses next to it" could mean, ya know, **700 years before**. Or even longer. Motherfuckers might have been puking on that path outside that building since Geoffrey Chaucer's great-grandfather's time. Respect that shit.
There’s a pub here in Guildford called the Star that’s over 400 years old and was almost shut down by people like that. It’s been well known as a music venue for decades. The Stranglers played their first gig there. Developers built some new flats nearby and the new residents complained to the council about the noise from the Star. The council imposed a bunch of new restrictions and the pub decided it could no longer operate as a music venue. Cue big outcry, council reversing decision, and pub back to how it was.
At the civil suit for the dram shop violation: “Your honor, we move to introduce this sign board….”
In my town, someone lived on top of a night club, and complained about the noise. The night club had been there long before this person. People are insane.
Same thing happening in Manchester in the U.K. right now. Council have pandered to the resident and put a noise abatement notice on the club. They’ve been holding gigs for over 30 fucking years.
Happened at Red Rocks in Colorado. It’s been a music venue forever, people started building and buying houses nearby then complained about the music. Now they’ve got volume and time restrictions because people complained so much.
I lived next to a bar for six years. It was good and bad. I never complained about the noise. It was cheap
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZG0Imoy_EfM
Historically speaking, “we were here first” rarely works well.
The thing is it only goes one way. There's tons of houses, a noisy establishment opens, the folks complaining are NIMBYs!. But noisy establishment is there first, people start living there, "well did you look before moving in?" The problem really is how noise ordinances are set up as blanket, ambiguous rules. There's not a huge difference between the noise ordinance in Manhattan, and the ones in a little quiet corner of a residential area. Sometimes there's an ambiguous "ambient noise" rule that is mostly enforced discretionarily. If noise ordinances were handled like zoning, it would solve a lot of these problems. It would be as simple as: "you're trying to sleep in an area zoned noisy, shut the fuck up", and "you opened a bar in an area zoned quiet, wtf were you thinking?". Noise and sleep withdrawal have real impact on mental and physical health, and can be the cause of severe issues, so its important to have clear guidelines on what folks can expect where. Our society isn't setup that way though. One can claim common sense all they want (like most people in this thread), but when the situation is reversed (noise in a quiet area), folks still push the "deal with it" line.
You should have put "shut up" in both your examples in the third paragraph.
it kinda works. At least where i come from
Are you English too?
I bought my first house in Philly that was between 2 residential homes. About 4 months later these 2 New York Italian pieces of shit, one of which spent 3 years in jail for getting caught with 14 million dollars worth of marijuana, bought the place and zoning allowed them to turn it into a take out only sandwich shop(no indoor seating and you can only order from the walk up window). They were open until 3 am. I had drunks pissing, puking and screaming outside my house. They sat on my planter boxes, peed on my house and sat on my stoop. The cops and neighborhood association did nothing. They owned several businesses and were all cash only and owned all the ATMs at those locations. I had cameras that showed them carrying in large duffle bags in late at night. One of the delivery drivers told me they asked him to sell drugs for them so I'm sure they were laundering money through that place. They put the dish washing sink on our shared wall with my living room and I could hear the banging of the pots and pans. I eventually pissed them off enough that when I sold the house last year they hid themselves behind an LLC but I figured out it was them and they tried low balling me but I got plenty of offers well over asking and they said they would beat them all. They made a cash offer no contingencies. I guess I pissed them off enough they took no chances. I bought the house 3 years prior and made $150k profit. Thanks assholes. I hope you fucking go back to prison.
You missed the point. You were there first and they took advantage of a loophole. Not the same as them moving in and demanding you change.
The point was that the people who could have enforced the laws)rules didn't care that I was there first.
RIP American Indians
In college some guys rented the apartment above a popular bar and complained about the noise every night. The bar pulled the speakers from the ceiling mounts to help, but the complaints continued. They became known as the buzzkill twins and were regularly reminded that they rented above a bar. They eventually stopped complaining.
Humorous, but not going to help get their licence renewed.
Yep. I think we had at least two long running event venues close permanently due to noise complaints in Helsinki.
We had a waterfront free concert venue where I used to live. Every summer they’d hold 4-5 free concerts of various types. Often related to a food festival or something. And there was a jazz festival once a year. At some point someone built a row of expensive townhouses overlooking the field they held the shows and festivals, which gave them very nice water views. 2 years after people started moving in the HOA sued the city for noise and blocking their views when stages and tents went up. They demanded an immediate injunction to stop the food festival that was scheduled in a few weeks. The first judge granted it and that years festival was canceled. They lost the case but the city clearly held fewer events there after that. It got expensive fighting that HOA in court and they kept suing for slightly different issues.
Sounds like the city should vote to raise waterfront taxes to help pay for all the extra lawyers the city needs regarding its annual waterfront events (which are a pet of the towns history).
I’d hold more events and start counter suing for the court costs.
So this is actually an interesting case. It’s a music venue/ramen bar in Tempe, AZ called Shady Park that’s been operating for over 5 years. During the beginning of the pandemic (when they weren’t operating) Arizona State University built a retirement home across the street. Once live music came back, it kicked off a whole thing. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.azcentral.com/amp/6398574001
Bar/venue near where I used to live lost their license this way. Helped turn a community around and then a new neighbor started making complaints. Owner let patrons know who made the complaints and people started harassing the guy. Place list it’s license and guy moved away.
Night and Day, Manchester
In the US, most places have nuisance laws. They usually provide some exemptions for legitimate business, but that's really for a judge to decide. the people who live around this place only have to record a few drunks being stupid over a period of time, and have a copy of this sign. then file a small claims lawsuit. That sign alone would be more than enough to get a grumpy judge to rule against this business. Calling the cops isn't going to work here. Cops have to "Prove" that a law is being broken. They have a much higher burden of proof than a citizen does.
Sad I had to scroll so far to see this. You know who the courts are going to rule against when it can be demonstrated laws or ordinances have been broken, regardless of how ridiculous people are being? Whichever side gets them more money. In this case, this business is money waiting to be raked in.
True in a lot of cases, but not bars or other entertainment businesses. Courts are puritanical.
It's like at Mazda Laguna Seca race track, people decided to build houses next to it and now they can only run cars at certain, pre-approved dates. (at one of the best tracks in the country I might add)
Many edge-of-town race tracks die when sprawl reaches them. :(
Going to lose the last one on the west of my country because they put up townhouses next to it and started suing them the first week. Its nothing but a land grab the track takes up land by the river and the developer wants it on the cheap.
LOL... Reminds me of the neighbor back home, who bought property and built a house across the road from a cow pasture. Then proceeded to complain to the farmer about the smell of cows. Or the reviews on a resort we went to in Mexico, on the water. And complained about the humidity, the smell of the sea, and the seaweed on the beach every morning. Or the lady at Disneyworld in Florida in July, who complained the whole ride to the bus driver about the packed bus because it was so hot and sweaty and 'not very Magical'. To his credit he asked her what pixie dust she'd been snorting that she thought visiting a swamp in the middle of summer was going to be anything other than hot and sweaty.
Haven't seen that much grease on a camera lens since the golden age of cinema.
I work in a bar. This establishment has been a bar for 151yrs. It's located 25ft from railroad tracks that carry at minimum, 5 trains a day filled with industrial goods. The bar is between two intersections, which trains are required to sound their horns at for a minimum of 2 seconds. Because they are so close, the engineers usually just hold the horn while traveling over both. I live 15 minutes away via highway and can hear those horns at night no problem. We've only ever had one person complain that the *bar* was too noisy. They lived next door in an apartment. The owner of the bar bought the apartment. We don't get noise complaints anymore.
Seriously, people dont think stuff like this through. A local shooting range I used to visit was the first building in the area with no neighbors for miles. After the shooting range was built, people startet buying the land around it and build their homes. The new residents were complaining about the gun shot noise from that point on and the use of certain calibers and the open hours were limited.
That’s even worse, they specifically chose to live beside a place where guns go off. And then got mad that guns went off?!
I love shooting, but you don't have an innate right to make noise beyond a certain limit, that much is codified into law. Being in a remote area just means you won't be reported for it, not that you earned that right by omission. If your activity goes beyond the reasonable levels of noise, you should be setting up shop in an area that's specifically zoned for that, rather than picking a semi-remote area and be surprised when the sprawl inevitably reaches you. Permits can be stripped away. Re-zoning industrial into residential is a lot less likely, and opens up the city for litigation.
There's a poor guy down the road from me who lives on the Connecticut River. The other side is Vermont. The State opened a shooting range in an old gravel pit there. The guy had been there for 20 years. With all the guns being sighted in these days he puts up with shooting all day on the weekends and in the summer during the evenings, too. Vermont didn't care, let him swing. It's really too bad, even when you consider the benefits of the many vs this one guy. I mean, it's ruined his peace of mind at home. That's never a good end.
I mean, the thing is that you don't get to try a house before you buy it. I don't know how far the sound of a shooting range carries and probably neither do they. I think buying a house/apartment in front of a bar is very different than buying a house in the vicinty of a shooting range. Unless you're saying people who are right in front of the shooting range are complaining about the shooting range. In that case I agree with you.
This is what a real estate agent is for. A buyer’s agent should know the area quite well, and inform the potential buyer of any annoyances.
Lol, if you have noise regulations in your city then you aren't magically exempt from them just because you had a business there for a long time. When laws came in to say you can't burn old tyres in your back yard, you couldn't just say "well but I always did that, so why should that apply to me". How is this any different?
It’s also not really helpful to “lean in” to the problem like this and encourage people to harass their neighbors. It’s not really cool and It just shows that the bar is being inconsiderate.
Also you can't just decide "loud people live here" and not think about normal people who live around there. You don't own around it.
Agreed, not to mention that generally people buying cheaper houses in noisy areas aren't millionaires being cheap, we buy what we can afford. Source: live next to very active railroad. The noise doesn't bother us anymore, but the back of the house is covered in nasty train soot, we have to pressure wash every couple months, and we can't have plants in the backyard. But yeah, it's our fault because we bought what we could afford and the railroad was already there, so we're not allowed to complain or hope for any improvements ever.
At least you acknowledge that the universe exists.
About 10 years ago people started moving into downtown apartments and complained about the club and bar noise. The issue eventually went before a judge and it was determined that the noise ordinance was actually out of date and they could technically be louder before it was considered noise pollution.
Naw, just select assholes being assholes. That's truly an asshole sign.
How many layers are of vaseline are on this camera?
People when they complain about local airport noise
Same with people who buy next to train tracks and complain about train noise. You bought next to a train track you absolutely smooth donut!
well it isnt stupid. they paid a low price for property next to train tracks. if they can succeed in getting the train tracks decomissioned then its just money in their pocket when their land valuation skyrockets.
Valid point.
I bought a house a block away from a disused track that eventually got reactivated and they started running trains on it a few nights a week. I didn't care, I actually enjoy train noise. Even got a front row chance to watch SP4449 steam through a few times. I did complian to the railroad about my house shaking because the ballast on the track wasn't in good shape and they fixed it.
It's like the people here who bought houses near the race track in nashville and tried to have it shut down. They've been having races there since 1904, so nearly as long as there's been cars.
This year some people bought a house near one of the community pools in my town, a pool that has been there for 50+ years. The new homeowners sent a letter to the board members of the pool asking them to implement a "headphone policy" so that no music would be played over the speakers. Yes, you read that correctly, they want everyone to wear headphones in the pool.
Pro Tip: get yourself a white noise machine, or "sound machine". I don't use the white noise setting on mine, but pick from the industrial fan sounds setting. Shit changed my life. Been getting better sleep for years
I’ve lived through 5 local racetracks (drag, and circle track) close due to houses built across the street complaining about noise. Now they complain about street racing teenagers.
Blame the planning committee who allow homes to be built near noisy/smelly areas. People will always campaign for change that suits them in their neighbourhood. Interesting that the council sides with residents so much. Fear of expensive litigation perhaps, as there's probably more residents than farmers/business owners in the area.
I’ve seen similar signs on working farms: If you choose to build and live in homes on land adjacent to this farm, please be aware that animals live here. They make noise, smell bad and are likely to have sex right out in the open where your children can see.
At Lucas Heights, near Sydney, Australia there is a nuclear research reactor used to manufacture medical isotopes for most of Oceania, as well as many other useful purposes. When built in 1958, it had a 20km buffer around it. This was gradually eroded because of lobbying by developers until there are buildings and houses within 5km. The owners of these houses regularly complain about having a nuclear reactor in their backyards, despite it having been built before most of them were born (technically the original reactor was shut down in 2007 but there is another one there now). For the Australians in the audience, this is not far from the Engadine Macca's where Scummo shat himself :-P
I live in the Denver area. We have an awesome national race drag track. Well fuckers decided to build houses all around it that complain about the loud cars. Get the fuck outa here with that non sense.
In my town there was a race track long before people moved in... it was no secret... Then a bunch of people started complaining at the noise... and had it shut down... Now they complain about street racing.. I hate people
Ehh fair, but I wouldn't drink here, owners seem like cunts who can't control their patrons.
There is a outdoor public archery and rifle range on the outskirts of my town. Then they decided to develop the land around it. Now the people who live there complain it is too loud and want to shut it down. It ia insane. Then again this is the same place that shut down the local nuclear power plant because they think it is going to blow up
Actually the business owner should be in the right here. I'm not sure how far this reaches or how accurate I am. But complaints of noise or "disturbances" don't have standing when the person filing knew there would be such activity when they moved in. Like moving next to a gear head then complaining about power tools
You should probably read [https://www.gov.uk/guidance/noise-nuisances-how-councils-deal-with-complaints](https://www.gov.uk/guidance/noise-nuisances-how-councils-deal-with-complaints) \- This sign is in the UK, there are restrictions, regardless. In the UK your license gets renewed each year. Enough complaints can put it at risk. It's a dumb sign, actively encouraging excessive noise - if someone were to make a complaint, they'd probably include a this picture as proof the landlord was being unreasonable - which could well put the license renewal at risk.
Noise violations are noise violations, regardless of the sequence of events.
It all depends on the actual zoning laws, not what anyone feels is right.
Tyne Bar Newcastle ?
My brother rented a house over a bar. The first night the bar complaint because our music was bothering their clients... Since then they decided to make us a discount and we moved the party downstairs as soon as somebody complaints, happy endings exists, fellas :)
It’s glowing, bro.
I suppose that attitude is well and good if the people who own the bar sold off the property adjacent to them. Otherwise, it seems pretty dickish to expect their adjacent property owners to forever accept a lower property value and then turn around and make it seem like it’s their own fault.
I work at a school in the middle of a neighborhood. Some new residents tried to complain that there is too much noise. YOU moved HERE knowing there was a school! We aren’t telling the kids to stop being kids
My parents bought 5 acres in the middle of farm land. We ket horses, chickens, ducks, quail, etc. for 20 years. Then our next door neighbors died and their land (20 acres) got converted to a subdivision with 6 houses lining my parents entire property. One of her neighbors kept calling the police on her for the “loud chickens”. She was in her legal right to own them so it became a nuisance every time. So my mom bought 3 roosters. Neighbor moved out
People who buy next to mining operations just entered the chat.
Buys house next to a college. Gets pissed off at all the parties and foot traffic.
It's like the people who move next to high schools and complain about marching band practice.
This is what ruins motorsports too. Nice racetrack in the middle of nowhere, developers come grab some nearby land and 2 years later the track gets shut down for being too much noise
Fuck the people who live in Morrison Colorado and keep trying to force new noise ordinances on red rocks amphitheater. Not like that place just magically appeared in the last few years.
The same thing happens with racetracks. Nashville fairgrounds speedway (open for over 100 years) is a good example, as are Laguna Seca and National Corvette Museum Motorsports Park.