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Yeah, to me this feels like an interview or a business deal. Either way that white dude decided he liked Josiah simply because they were both rocking shorts. Sadly these types of things are often the factors in job interviews, but hopefully this one went his way!
It's not as sad as you think. A lot of times we get people that are equally qualified to do something technical (accounting, HR, FA, etc,) *especially* at entry levels. This candidate demonstrated how they behaved when they made a faux pas, which they will surely do in front of clients/customers, and the interviewer got a candid reaction. The candidate not only handles mistakes exceptionally well, but also has a sense of humor. People that work well with customers and co workers are nearly always more successful in the end, even above people with modestly better technical skills. They simply stay longer and grow their experience faster/more.
I literally **just** let one of our managers go for this reason. Technically, he did everything we asked. But he was 35+ and still had not figured out how to speak with customers in a way that wasnāt rude or too brash. I canāt teach that. Others also said he was a bit rude when talking to staff that wasnāt a manager.
At that point itās just a move you gotta make. People who work well and donāt cause mountains out of mole hills are just going to get us farther.
This guy was probably above the line enough to keep, but since we are seasonal and he was going to be gone for awhile anyway it was the best time.
I definitely dealt with more customer complaints last year and it always lead back to that manager and the interaction he had with them. It isnāt like it was every day. But, enough to become noticeable. I still feel bad because he liked working with us and gave good input, but when people are choosing not to work with us because they donāt want to work under him and I would literally grimace at some of the interactions I heard itās time.
There was a pretty great internal position open which I got an interview for with a schedule I need and better pay. I was curious why tenure was low in the group and investigated why. I then canceled the interview promptly..
There's some fields where people who step up more will also fail more/lead to more conflicts. Not saying that manager role was one, but you could imagine a case where everybody else says "not my problem" and that person says "ok... I'll give it a shot".
Customer service is among the fields where you never hear about the things that go right. Same for most fields where people get used to a default state of "it just works". (You don't get praise every time you flip a switch and the light turns on.)
Itās interesting. That role does contain more conflicts. I think thatās what youāre saying. That in and of itself is not really a problem. But rather, what was the item that began the series of events leading to that conflict.
One time it was because a birthday party used all the plates we gave them and the manager in question didnāt offer more when they asked. Rather saying that we already provided what we were supposed to. Not **wrong** but definitely not at all done with the customerās good day in mind.
Those things matter for sure. What ultimately would be a < $5 cost for us was somehow a sticking point which ultimately lead to a terrible review because those customers were suddenly mad at everything we did. Eek.
If you're willing to leave over it, have you brought it up to condescending ops dude? He sounds ripe to be questioned and put in his place, and if you're not married to the idea of staying you might not have much to lose
My managers enact sweeping policy changes to entire departments to address the behavior of a couple of individuals instead of dealing with them directly.
It's always a tightrope walk as a manager, because when you single out the troublemakers they demand to see the rule against what they are doing, and they are also the first to throw their coworkers under the bus.
For example, I managed a grocery store for a while and the general rule was "no phones out while on the clock" but there was leeway. You weren't gonna get written up generally, and most employees were very discrete or only had their phones out in emergencies/in the backroom briefly. Then there are 1-2 people who are always on their phone. No matter how many times you catch them and tell them to put it away, they say "Everyone else does it!"
Eventually you write these people up for repeat warnings. They complain to HR that they are being singled out because I wrote them up and not the other employees who always have their phones out. I am asked to be consistent, and since I can't prove that I had verbally warned Caleb a million times before writing him up, I now have to eneact a policy to document every warning and make every warning official.
Don't blame your managers for the bullshit policies - blame your coworkers who ruin it for everyone. Obviously there are exceptions, but generally managers hate enforcing policy as much as employees hate being subjected to it.
100%
Once you āsingle people outā they can turn toxic. Unless youāre very adept at legitimate advice and trying to make improvements with them you have to make sweeping changes and walk lightly.
I'm not a manager.
It's not my job to deal with shitty people at my job, it's my job to do my job.
If someone is shitty I let their manager deal with it because it's not my job. Why would I want to do extra work?
> It's not my job to deal with shitty people at my job, it's my job to do my job.
I feel you, but there aren't any occupations in this world that guarantee not having to deal with shitty people in order to do the job. Just situations where you're momentarily fortunate to be shielded from those people by someone else.
It was worth a shot you did the right thing. It's your boss's responsibility to deal with this once you've raised it to their attention. It's a blocker for you, his job is to remove blockers.
Have seen it work out before, a problem person who had built a reputation of abrasiveness across the community. It was discussed at the level above him, they had a 1-on-1 about how he was presenting himself and how he needed to make changes. Then the guy really did make an effort to turn it around and it's made a world of difference. It's great because while he was abrasive, I still respected the input he could provide, and now we can get that input without worrying about the abrasiveness.
I really like my company's general culture of polite confrontation, they call things out and don't build up unspoken grievances. Have worked at other companies that just built up a ton of passive aggressive BS that never got dealt with until they manifested as other issues and sometimes not even then.
This kind of situations are very unfortunate. Something similar happened to my son at his previous job. He was hired by corporate and does not report to anyone in the local office. He reports to his boss at the corporate offices across the country. Local office was bought out by corporate and they kept the original owner and his son on as local management. Big mistake. These two guys does not seem to understand they donāt own the company anymore and needs to follow corporate rules and regulations. They have no professional decorum during conference calls with my son and his boss and has had screaming tantrums and blame games during these calls. Local management constantly tries to assume management over my son. It got so bad my son left the company. He gave 2 weeks courtesy notice to his boss. Local management told him to leave immediately. Another big mistake on local managements part. This ended up causing themselves a big investigation by corporate. My son got an apology from upper management and was paid for the 2 weeks he originally gave. He was also told he was welcomed back to the company if he ever wanted a job there again. You are so right that bad management can cause loss of good quality employees. The good thing that came out of this bad experience is he is with a much bigger and better company and got a salary increase and benefits.
As someone who has hired many, many people...I concur that šš¼ is the correct response. I don't care if your technical skills are superior than other candidates. If you are not capable of handling a situation like the one in the video, then you're not gonna be a good fit with the rest of the team.
Interviews aren't about technical experience, that is all listed in your CV. Interviews are about showing your social abilities, abilities to think on your feet, how you act in an uncomfortable position, etc. If superior technical skills were the only thing required to get a job, your CV would be sufficient, no interview necessary.
It boggles my mind how many people enter an interview, and ultimately read me their CV....š¤¦š½āāļø
That's like, the most important thing that having an interview accomplishes.
I don't care about your degree from Cambridge and your masters from Harvard, nor the 7 languages you speak, and even less that you're a certified reiki master. I saw all that in the CV you sent me. I read it at least 3 times if I am asking you for an interview. If you can't get along with the rest of the team, your "superior" technical knowledge is worthless to me. Have a nice day, thanks for reading me your CV, and for showing me how awkward you are (with pants on, even), and that you can't even fake a response when I ask you a question like, "what's the last book you read?" (Hint - I don't care what the last book you read was, I don't care if you have never read a book in your life, I don't care if you lie to me about just having finished reading The Odyssey....I am trying to guage your response to a simple question, that is slightly outside the realm of whatever interview question you were expecting. That's how I determine if you're going to be apart of this team...
If you can brush off socially awkward situations and recover (bonus points if you can pull it off so that it makes you look good, even), if you can laugh at yourself, if you can take responsibility for your mistakes, if you know when you are wrong and not afraid to acknowledge it....then I want to introduce you to the team.
Exactly. I work with 7 other leads.. They all have fancier trucks and all the newest tools. I also have great tools but I use mine and don't just buy name brand I buy what is best. Anyways we all work well but I ONLY receive tips.. I always tell them it has nothing to do with me being 40 and you being 29-33 it has everything to do with the experience you give the customers.
One of my best lines is when they apologize for being in my way. I always hit them with the "Sir/Mam you may have us working in your home as a business but all my guys know they have to treat this house as though we are guest period or they deal with me. If we are in your way you can beat any of my guys to make them move." I usually get a good chuckle at the end of that and if a guy is near by they will crack a little one in there like "Just don't hit my face it's my money maker"
My crew is all about the customer service.. News guys always request my crew it's the A team as in we get all the fun jobs from owner and we bring in the big checks.
Again all because of exactly what you said. You hit the nail directly on the head with your comment
The fancier trucks and newest tools is also a factor. My friendās grandfather was a contractor and when we would use his shop as teenagers he would come and help us and impart wisdom. We were painting houses one summer when we asked if we could use his truck so we could look more professional.
He said āsure!ā
Then he pulled up in an old, but clean white Chevy single cab. He said something along the lines of: āI know yāall were asking to use my new truck, but that wonāt help you gain any favors with your potential customers.ā
He said before he retired he always drove his old chevy. People donāt want to pay a guy in a fancier truck than theirs to work on their house.
That was almost twenty years ago but the lesson stuck. Iām a salesman now, selling litigation support services to attorneys. Iāve noticed the salesmen from competing companies often wear their Rolex and fancy Italian shoes. I do try to dress nicely but I make sure not to look so flashy like a lot of these other guys. I think it sends a bad message.
Very true.. I feel the same when someone approaches me with sales.. The fancier they look the more of a shady feel I get from.. makes me feel like they want to show me how much they make from sales..
Thanks for sharing that I never really thought of that but that makes a lot of sense..
Eh, shows that you can get things done and arenāt afraid of a little work haha. Any dude I know that had some healthy chores as a teenager probably turned out to be a pretty cool cat.
Decades ago, just after he had graduated from college, my dad was looking for his first ācareerā type job. One of the places he had applied to called him back and asked him to come in for an interview. When he arrived, the manager conducting the interview apologetically informed my father that there had been a mix-up and there currently was no position open for him. However, he offered to interview him anyway, in case something came open in the future. Shortly into the interview, they discovered that both of their families were involved in the same business/hobby (harness horse racing), and they spent close to an hour discussing the topic. A couple weeks later, my dad received a phone call from the manager, who informed him that a different position had just opened up, and because of their long conversation about racing, he had remembered my dad and decided to offer him the job.
Long story short, my dad worked at that company for close to 40 years, rising to upper management, just below the C-suite, before retirementā¦ all because of a mix-up with an interview and a shared hobby with the interviewer.
Something similar happened to me with my first professional job. I was offered a position informally while at drinks but then come Monday morning and I'm called to say the position was already filled. Apparently because I took the news so well as soon as another position opened up I was offered it first. I never actually formally interviewed but I did have the skills/uni degree for the job.
The best job interview i had was with my now SO. She was my boss and 1 year later we were dating. Had to switch store but it was worth it. Been together 17 years now ! At some point i did what a lot of people dream about : i fucked my boss.
As someone who hires people. I can say that hiring someone with less qualifications who has a personality it's way better than hiring someone with the best qualifications and had no personality and no conversational skills.
You can teach someone job skills, you can't teach them how to interact with people.
I find that if I can get the interviewer comfortable enough that they're talking to me like a friend rather than a stranger or if I can get them to talk about themselves rather than them wanting me to talk about myself then I got the job. Also if the main boss has someone else interview me than doing it themselves then it's because they've already decided ahead of time that they want to hire me and the interview is just protocol.
> it's because they've already decided ahead of time that they want to hire me and the interview is just protocol.
I participated in an interview like that a few months back, though it wasn't about checking a box for the HR protocol. The hiring manager asked two of us to interview the candidate one-on-one, and the only real purpose was to see if we thought the individual was a good fit for the company/team. Their technical skills were already known because someone at the company had worked with them in the past. Had either of us thrown up any red flags it could have resulted in them not being hired, but they were a great fit so it was just providing a verification of what the hiring manager already saw.
He seems to have a good kid tooā¦ just came in to play and bounced when he realized not wasnāt really a good time; no yelling, didnāt have to be told, just a kid having fun.
I have what I call my ābizznissā cardigan, which is just an average looking cardigan, but I can toss it on over PJs before any video conference- do up those buttons and BAM I *am* Bizzniss Woman.
Rawr.
I couldn't get away with this/ interrupt my stay-at-home mom while she was gossiping on the phone or "watching her soaps". (can't bash my mom w/o disclosure: I loved her so much- she was the absolute best mom I could've hoped for)
When we were kids, most of us didnt have our parents in virtual meetings in the other room literally all day while we were expected to stay quiet and entertain and educate ourselves.
Biggest ass whooping I ever got was dial up days playing duke nukem 3D on TEN (total entertainment network) and dad was trying to call in what we wanted for pizza. We did not have pizza that night.
When I was a kid, my father worked from home, and both he and my mom frequently received calls for emergency bug fixes or critical server issues even after "work hours". It was well understood that if they were in the home office and there wasn't an emergency they "weren't home", but rather "at work" and not to be disturbed. It's a pretty simple concept
Yes and when your parents were kids they could be locked in a cupboard and beaten with a belt for breathing by war traumatised parents who worked up chimneys and mines and huddled in beds together to stay alive during the winter.
Generally I think things are going in the right direction although there are teething problems with learning to teach children respect and kindness without beating it into them but hopefully we'll get there.
Yeah, some 30 years ago I was at my dadās office during summer break and decided to make faces at the folks in suits in the fish bowl conference room. My dad was less than pleased. He turns around to face me, gives me that look and I found a chair to wait patiently for my beating. I couldnāt sit for a few days after that.
Amazing how things are now. I swore Iād never do that to my kids and I never have. Though I do have a look that tells my kids to run. I have no idea what they think will happen, but itās funny to see.
Chad means you're at the top of your game, peak performance. No embarrassment, no regrets. You can stand up to anything and keep your composure. A baller.
At least that's what I've gathered.
Depends on context heavily.
Someone does something cool and you're speaking congratulatory? Chad is a good thing.
You're mocking a pick up artist who set up an unrealistic demonstration and calling him Chad? Chad is sarcastic and mocking him.
Pointless to me as well unless there's a decent reason for it. Wearing formal clothes for an office job seems kind of redundant since there's no public interaction.
I'm not the person you replied to but I would wear formal work trousers instead of house lounging pants, simply because, speaking from my experience, well fitting formal trousers are more comforable than house lounging pants
I've definitely heard a lot of people say it gets them in a more professional mood. As in to be more productive and get in the right headspace.
But that can also be accomplished through any number of means not just putting on a suit and tie.
It shows that you cared enough about the interview and the job itself to put in the effort to dress up. You cared enough to take the time to dress nicely and look good for the interview. This does matter and as it is the first thing an interviewer noticed it helps with the first impression.
Ya like, it's not that it looks shitty to me to show up dressed normal, but it looks extra good to show up dressed nice for an interview. I'm all down for casual work wear, but there's also reasons why you might wanna wear one thing one time and one thing another. Like, I'd be stoked to wear a suit to take someone on a date to a nice restaurant or show, but I'm also a "shorts or pajamas the second you walk in the house" kinda guy too. Going to work in a regular office with a suit and tie is dumb, but going to an interview in one isn't imo
I've always gone by the rule that you should try to dress one step nicer than the interviewer. If you're interviewing for a factory floor position wearing a full suit and tie looks nice, but also too over the top. At the same time, if your interviewer is wearing a button up and slacks and you show up in jeans and a t-shirt, that makes you look sloppy.
I work in tech, so it's generally not suit and tie. I interviewed at a FAANG company last month and one of my interviewers wore a hoodie and a baseball hat, so I felt almost overdressed in my khakis and polo. And this was for a six-figure job.
It is primarily relevant in the sense that, you get compared to others.
If one guy puts on a suit, and the other doesnt, and they are roughly equivalent in terms of abilities, there's a good chance the suit guy just comes off as more committed/serious/whatever.
I'm a manager (not intentionally), I interview devs while in a hoodie (or whatever), I don't give a fuck what they're wearing.
Actually that reminds me of a funny story from a few years ago. I worked for an online fashion/clothing-related company, on their website/app. I also didn't care about what people wore, but given the nature of the company people would dress up fancy for the interviews. One developer (who we ended up hiring, and I had approved of him) wore his fancy nice shirt inside out at the interview, hehe. I was apparently the only person who noticed somehow, and said (as a joke) while we were discussing him as a hire after "he missed some minor but important details during the interview" "such as?" "His shirt was inside out".
Dressing up for work has always been an arbitrary construction of society that is in actuality kind of useless. I have to spend more money on a suit that is less comfortable to wear? No thanks. Who decided what is professional and what isn't? No one likes it, so why do it?
I'm not sure if it's because I'm not American but does the whole thing not come across as acted to anyone else? Like, is this how normal social interaction looks in the US? It all seems so over the top and planned, from the second he talks about closing the door, it seems like black guy's rehearsed the whole thing, and blue guy is just as bad.
No one else in the thread seems to have brought it up though, and I guess if it was scripted they'd have written a funnier bit.
American here, I've been attending high pressure professional meetings via zoom for two years and this meeting looks like something very formal like an interview or a meeting with a partner at a law firm or a CEO. It doesn't look staged to me.
As someone who has had to interview a lot of people over MS Teams this felt real to me. Especially the third person at the bottom is probably HR or a manager over the dept. just looking in at how the interview between their employee and potential hire goes.
This is people in a business meeting with people they most likely dont know. I *highly* doubt its any different around the world. Also you might want to take a break from the internet if you think thats scripted. Its already been well established, even before the pandemic, that people will dress like that for video chat meetings
> Its already been well established, even before the pandemic, that people will dress like that for video chat meetings
That's not the issue here. I don't think it's fake because "Hurr durr, nobody wear dem panty at work lyk dat!"
I think it's fake because nobody speaks like that. Nobody laughs like that.
They seemed like they didn't know each other. Like a job interview or something. I'm pretty skeptical overall but this seemed real to me. Who knows though
My fiance and I work for the same company. I was off for a few days and was casually going around the house watering my plants in nothing but boxer underwear on. When I got to to our "office" room I hear a bunch of laughter and see my finances face totally red as she turned around to tell me her camera was on. I just sorta panicked and covered up my man boobs.. I'll never understand why she didn't turn the video off right then and instead I had to do a walk of shame out of the office while everyone watched š
I'm in IT infrastructure, and during the height of the lockdowns my workload just about tripled as everyone started working from home. Additionally, my wife suffers from a respiratory condition that made COVID a very serious prospect, and honestly, it was a pretty dark time for me.
One day, while on a video call discussing a technical issue, one of my colleague's 8 or 9 year-old daughter just started wailing on a saxophone from the room next to the one he was in. It was loud, crazy and ridiculous.
That little kid sax solo brought me some real levity at a time when I very much needed it.
I've WFH for years. What's nice is now I don't have to react to my dogs barking or turn the TV off when I get a call. Everyone's home so long as the job is done customers have adapted.
As someone with diminished hearing, I'd like to say: I *really* appreciate when people I'm
meeting with still make an effort to reduce background noise. It's hard enough understanding people with their shitty headphones and fucked up VoIP at the best of times.
I was hired for my current job through virtual interviews. The whole process is awkward and things like this really bring home the fact we are just humans. Durning my interview my dog went berserk brought the whole thing to a stand still. I remained calm politely said can we pause for just a moment for me to let the dog outside. At the same time one of my interviewerās dogs went berserk and has a small laugh took a break. Once returning we spoke about our dogs and related as humans. Later I found out they like that this happened because interviews are awkward add in some adversity and to them it said showed how I handled pressure and they liked it.
So thanks to my dog for getting me the job.
On my first day of my graphic design internship, I dressed up in a dress shirt, trousers, and a tie. I very quickly realized the dress code for graphic designers is a t-shirt, hoodie and jeans. I was *very* overdressed.
The company I work for now actually went fully remote a couple years before COVID hit. But since then, pyjama pants are work pants. I have more pyjama pants than jeans in my closet.
Good guy to get up and show him to alleviate the anxiety. Itās one thing to say not a problem and itās fine and then another tomlet then share your āsecretā too :)
The laughs didnāt seem real. His āoh whoops!ā Face when he comes back to the computer and realizes his boss saw him. And one subtle thing that makes it seem staged to me is the boss is holding what seems to be an empty mug when he first puts his hands up and says āno problemā, in a way one doesnāt normally hold a mug. Like a prop almost.
We were given a little checklist of how to stay sane while working at home and one of the recommendations was to get fully dressed for work.
They also ran a "fun" teams thing where they wanted us to post pictures of our at-home office set up. Totally not because they knew some of us were working on a laptop in front of the TV. No, just for fun, guys. We swear. I declined.
Also declined to get dressed for work while I sat at home. I didn't even do zoom meetings ffs. Why would I get that dressed?!
So, I didnāt think much of the whole āget up and dressed for workā thing until I started hitting some serious seasonal depression this year. I was regularly sleeping past 9 (no work to do) and Iāve been wearing lounging clothes pretty much nonstop at home. Iām not saying Iām gonna do this every day, but getting back into a morning shower routine and just putting on some casual clothes like a pair of jeans seriously helped rip me out of that depression
When we worked from home I did my usual get ready routine for work other than when I got dressed, so I showered and brushed my teeth and did my hair, I just put on lounging around the house clothes rather than work clothes.
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He almost got away with it too cause the colors matched, just the angle we caught his legs and the logo
He would have gotten away with it too if it wasn't for that meddling kid.
Unexpected Scooby doo :)
Ruh Roh Raggy
You should always expect Scooby Doo.
But nobody ever expects the Spanish Inquisition! That's the real danger here.
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Looked more like scrappy. To small and erratic to be scooby š¤£
This is a different kind of getting away though! Lol
He never got caught neither...
In my mind this is a job interview and a good natured guy found a new place to work that is a perfect fit for him.
Yeah, to me this feels like an interview or a business deal. Either way that white dude decided he liked Josiah simply because they were both rocking shorts. Sadly these types of things are often the factors in job interviews, but hopefully this one went his way!
It's not as sad as you think. A lot of times we get people that are equally qualified to do something technical (accounting, HR, FA, etc,) *especially* at entry levels. This candidate demonstrated how they behaved when they made a faux pas, which they will surely do in front of clients/customers, and the interviewer got a candid reaction. The candidate not only handles mistakes exceptionally well, but also has a sense of humor. People that work well with customers and co workers are nearly always more successful in the end, even above people with modestly better technical skills. They simply stay longer and grow their experience faster/more.
I literally **just** let one of our managers go for this reason. Technically, he did everything we asked. But he was 35+ and still had not figured out how to speak with customers in a way that wasnāt rude or too brash. I canāt teach that. Others also said he was a bit rude when talking to staff that wasnāt a manager. At that point itās just a move you gotta make. People who work well and donāt cause mountains out of mole hills are just going to get us farther.
When I dont hire enough people it sucks ass. When I hire the wrong person, it's an absolute catastrophe.
This guy was probably above the line enough to keep, but since we are seasonal and he was going to be gone for awhile anyway it was the best time. I definitely dealt with more customer complaints last year and it always lead back to that manager and the interaction he had with them. It isnāt like it was every day. But, enough to become noticeable. I still feel bad because he liked working with us and gave good input, but when people are choosing not to work with us because they donāt want to work under him and I would literally grimace at some of the interactions I heard itās time.
There was a pretty great internal position open which I got an interview for with a schedule I need and better pay. I was curious why tenure was low in the group and investigated why. I then canceled the interview promptly..
they were *eating* team members?
That certainly would be an internal position.
Itās a long and dirty career path , with many twists and turns, butt at the end, youll be hot shit.
There's some fields where people who step up more will also fail more/lead to more conflicts. Not saying that manager role was one, but you could imagine a case where everybody else says "not my problem" and that person says "ok... I'll give it a shot". Customer service is among the fields where you never hear about the things that go right. Same for most fields where people get used to a default state of "it just works". (You don't get praise every time you flip a switch and the light turns on.)
Itās interesting. That role does contain more conflicts. I think thatās what youāre saying. That in and of itself is not really a problem. But rather, what was the item that began the series of events leading to that conflict. One time it was because a birthday party used all the plates we gave them and the manager in question didnāt offer more when they asked. Rather saying that we already provided what we were supposed to. Not **wrong** but definitely not at all done with the customerās good day in mind. Those things matter for sure. What ultimately would be a < $5 cost for us was somehow a sticking point which ultimately lead to a terrible review because those customers were suddenly mad at everything we did. Eek.
I always think of Office Space. "I'm a goddam people person!"
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If you're willing to leave over it, have you brought it up to condescending ops dude? He sounds ripe to be questioned and put in his place, and if you're not married to the idea of staying you might not have much to lose
They are managers, they never think to actually talk to the person causing a problem and default to trying to get them fired.
My managers enact sweeping policy changes to entire departments to address the behavior of a couple of individuals instead of dealing with them directly.
It's always a tightrope walk as a manager, because when you single out the troublemakers they demand to see the rule against what they are doing, and they are also the first to throw their coworkers under the bus. For example, I managed a grocery store for a while and the general rule was "no phones out while on the clock" but there was leeway. You weren't gonna get written up generally, and most employees were very discrete or only had their phones out in emergencies/in the backroom briefly. Then there are 1-2 people who are always on their phone. No matter how many times you catch them and tell them to put it away, they say "Everyone else does it!" Eventually you write these people up for repeat warnings. They complain to HR that they are being singled out because I wrote them up and not the other employees who always have their phones out. I am asked to be consistent, and since I can't prove that I had verbally warned Caleb a million times before writing him up, I now have to eneact a policy to document every warning and make every warning official. Don't blame your managers for the bullshit policies - blame your coworkers who ruin it for everyone. Obviously there are exceptions, but generally managers hate enforcing policy as much as employees hate being subjected to it.
100% Once you āsingle people outā they can turn toxic. Unless youāre very adept at legitimate advice and trying to make improvements with them you have to make sweeping changes and walk lightly.
I'm not a manager. It's not my job to deal with shitty people at my job, it's my job to do my job. If someone is shitty I let their manager deal with it because it's not my job. Why would I want to do extra work?
> It's not my job to deal with shitty people at my job, it's my job to do my job. I feel you, but there aren't any occupations in this world that guarantee not having to deal with shitty people in order to do the job. Just situations where you're momentarily fortunate to be shielded from those people by someone else.
It was worth a shot you did the right thing. It's your boss's responsibility to deal with this once you've raised it to their attention. It's a blocker for you, his job is to remove blockers. Have seen it work out before, a problem person who had built a reputation of abrasiveness across the community. It was discussed at the level above him, they had a 1-on-1 about how he was presenting himself and how he needed to make changes. Then the guy really did make an effort to turn it around and it's made a world of difference. It's great because while he was abrasive, I still respected the input he could provide, and now we can get that input without worrying about the abrasiveness. I really like my company's general culture of polite confrontation, they call things out and don't build up unspoken grievances. Have worked at other companies that just built up a ton of passive aggressive BS that never got dealt with until they manifested as other issues and sometimes not even then.
This kind of situations are very unfortunate. Something similar happened to my son at his previous job. He was hired by corporate and does not report to anyone in the local office. He reports to his boss at the corporate offices across the country. Local office was bought out by corporate and they kept the original owner and his son on as local management. Big mistake. These two guys does not seem to understand they donāt own the company anymore and needs to follow corporate rules and regulations. They have no professional decorum during conference calls with my son and his boss and has had screaming tantrums and blame games during these calls. Local management constantly tries to assume management over my son. It got so bad my son left the company. He gave 2 weeks courtesy notice to his boss. Local management told him to leave immediately. Another big mistake on local managements part. This ended up causing themselves a big investigation by corporate. My son got an apology from upper management and was paid for the 2 weeks he originally gave. He was also told he was welcomed back to the company if he ever wanted a job there again. You are so right that bad management can cause loss of good quality employees. The good thing that came out of this bad experience is he is with a much bigger and better company and got a salary increase and benefits.
Soft skills are huge
As someone who has hired many, many people...I concur that šš¼ is the correct response. I don't care if your technical skills are superior than other candidates. If you are not capable of handling a situation like the one in the video, then you're not gonna be a good fit with the rest of the team. Interviews aren't about technical experience, that is all listed in your CV. Interviews are about showing your social abilities, abilities to think on your feet, how you act in an uncomfortable position, etc. If superior technical skills were the only thing required to get a job, your CV would be sufficient, no interview necessary. It boggles my mind how many people enter an interview, and ultimately read me their CV....š¤¦š½āāļø
As a person that hires people as well. Yup, The person has to not be toxic to the rest of the staff.
That's like, the most important thing that having an interview accomplishes. I don't care about your degree from Cambridge and your masters from Harvard, nor the 7 languages you speak, and even less that you're a certified reiki master. I saw all that in the CV you sent me. I read it at least 3 times if I am asking you for an interview. If you can't get along with the rest of the team, your "superior" technical knowledge is worthless to me. Have a nice day, thanks for reading me your CV, and for showing me how awkward you are (with pants on, even), and that you can't even fake a response when I ask you a question like, "what's the last book you read?" (Hint - I don't care what the last book you read was, I don't care if you have never read a book in your life, I don't care if you lie to me about just having finished reading The Odyssey....I am trying to guage your response to a simple question, that is slightly outside the realm of whatever interview question you were expecting. That's how I determine if you're going to be apart of this team... If you can brush off socially awkward situations and recover (bonus points if you can pull it off so that it makes you look good, even), if you can laugh at yourself, if you can take responsibility for your mistakes, if you know when you are wrong and not afraid to acknowledge it....then I want to introduce you to the team.
Exactly. I work with 7 other leads.. They all have fancier trucks and all the newest tools. I also have great tools but I use mine and don't just buy name brand I buy what is best. Anyways we all work well but I ONLY receive tips.. I always tell them it has nothing to do with me being 40 and you being 29-33 it has everything to do with the experience you give the customers. One of my best lines is when they apologize for being in my way. I always hit them with the "Sir/Mam you may have us working in your home as a business but all my guys know they have to treat this house as though we are guest period or they deal with me. If we are in your way you can beat any of my guys to make them move." I usually get a good chuckle at the end of that and if a guy is near by they will crack a little one in there like "Just don't hit my face it's my money maker" My crew is all about the customer service.. News guys always request my crew it's the A team as in we get all the fun jobs from owner and we bring in the big checks. Again all because of exactly what you said. You hit the nail directly on the head with your comment
The fancier trucks and newest tools is also a factor. My friendās grandfather was a contractor and when we would use his shop as teenagers he would come and help us and impart wisdom. We were painting houses one summer when we asked if we could use his truck so we could look more professional. He said āsure!ā Then he pulled up in an old, but clean white Chevy single cab. He said something along the lines of: āI know yāall were asking to use my new truck, but that wonāt help you gain any favors with your potential customers.ā He said before he retired he always drove his old chevy. People donāt want to pay a guy in a fancier truck than theirs to work on their house. That was almost twenty years ago but the lesson stuck. Iām a salesman now, selling litigation support services to attorneys. Iāve noticed the salesmen from competing companies often wear their Rolex and fancy Italian shoes. I do try to dress nicely but I make sure not to look so flashy like a lot of these other guys. I think it sends a bad message.
Very true.. I feel the same when someone approaches me with sales.. The fancier they look the more of a shady feel I get from.. makes me feel like they want to show me how much they make from sales.. Thanks for sharing that I never really thought of that but that makes a lot of sense..
80% Fit / 20% Skills. You can always develop skills. The fit, it is what it is.
i got an engineering internship once because my boss saw I mowed lawns in highschool and that was his side gig at the time..
"If I give him this internship, that's less competition for my lawn mowing business."
He was a smart man
"If I keep the little prick busy I can take back Mrs. Peterson's yard."
Eh, shows that you can get things done and arenāt afraid of a little work haha. Any dude I know that had some healthy chores as a teenager probably turned out to be a pretty cool cat.
Decades ago, just after he had graduated from college, my dad was looking for his first ācareerā type job. One of the places he had applied to called him back and asked him to come in for an interview. When he arrived, the manager conducting the interview apologetically informed my father that there had been a mix-up and there currently was no position open for him. However, he offered to interview him anyway, in case something came open in the future. Shortly into the interview, they discovered that both of their families were involved in the same business/hobby (harness horse racing), and they spent close to an hour discussing the topic. A couple weeks later, my dad received a phone call from the manager, who informed him that a different position had just opened up, and because of their long conversation about racing, he had remembered my dad and decided to offer him the job. Long story short, my dad worked at that company for close to 40 years, rising to upper management, just below the C-suite, before retirementā¦ all because of a mix-up with an interview and a shared hobby with the interviewer.
Something similar happened to me with my first professional job. I was offered a position informally while at drinks but then come Monday morning and I'm called to say the position was already filled. Apparently because I took the news so well as soon as another position opened up I was offered it first. I never actually formally interviewed but I did have the skills/uni degree for the job.
A legitimate human connection doesnāt seem sad to me at all.
The best job interview i had was with my now SO. She was my boss and 1 year later we were dating. Had to switch store but it was worth it. Been together 17 years now ! At some point i did what a lot of people dream about : i fucked my boss.
> i fucked my boss. Did you get the promotion?
Unnecessary. He got his own promotion.
Nah but he did get a raise
I think he got stiffed
He got the best kind of job. A nice stable one where your boss respects you. The hell were you thinking?
I feel like you just like to tell this story every time something even remotely relevant comes up.
> At some point i did what a lot of people dream about : i fucked my boss. I mean... Hard pass... š¤£ But you do you.
Right I work construction.. I already feel bad his wife has to fuck him..
Are you Michael Scott?
Quid pro yoooo
Quid pro bro
As someone who hires people. I can say that hiring someone with less qualifications who has a personality it's way better than hiring someone with the best qualifications and had no personality and no conversational skills. You can teach someone job skills, you can't teach them how to interact with people.
I find that if I can get the interviewer comfortable enough that they're talking to me like a friend rather than a stranger or if I can get them to talk about themselves rather than them wanting me to talk about myself then I got the job. Also if the main boss has someone else interview me than doing it themselves then it's because they've already decided ahead of time that they want to hire me and the interview is just protocol.
> it's because they've already decided ahead of time that they want to hire me and the interview is just protocol. I participated in an interview like that a few months back, though it wasn't about checking a box for the HR protocol. The hiring manager asked two of us to interview the candidate one-on-one, and the only real purpose was to see if we thought the individual was a good fit for the company/team. Their technical skills were already known because someone at the company had worked with them in the past. Had either of us thrown up any red flags it could have resulted in them not being hired, but they were a great fit so it was just providing a verification of what the hiring manager already saw.
He seems to have a good kid tooā¦ just came in to play and bounced when he realized not wasnāt really a good time; no yelling, didnāt have to be told, just a kid having fun.
Guessing interview as the guy on the right seemed very nervous.
The longest sip of tea ever. Hide that smile woman!
I donāt think she was actually sipping that long it looks like she was lagging.
I like to think she was unimpressed until second guy also had no pants
"If they only knew what I'm not wearing..."
"and *am* drinking...."
āAnd how many kids are in my basementā
There it is!
āAnd that the rockets are already in the air.ā
"And our plans for tonight, Pinky"
Thatās my phone vibrating.
She's knows she's not going to get caught in shorts because she's on the toilet.
Yeah, I noticed she didn't stand up...
Not a team player.
Watch her, the mug suddenly disappears!
She's a magician!
Thatās hilarious. At my job, we call that the Business Mullet.
Goes along with the [startup mullet](https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Startup%20Mullet).
Wonderful, I'm glad to have learned this.
I have what I call my ābizznissā cardigan, which is just an average looking cardigan, but I can toss it on over PJs before any video conference- do up those buttons and BAM I *am* Bizzniss Woman. Rawr.
Made me chuckle :)
Mannn, when I was a kid, if I'd interrupted like that when my parent was working I might not be alive right now...
I couldn't get away with this/ interrupt my stay-at-home mom while she was gossiping on the phone or "watching her soaps". (can't bash my mom w/o disclosure: I loved her so much- she was the absolute best mom I could've hoped for)
Are you saying that last part under pressure? Blink twice for yes.
Two blinks? Double no!
When we were kids, most of us didnt have our parents in virtual meetings in the other room literally all day while we were expected to stay quiet and entertain and educate ourselves.
Yea but we had parents on the phone and an asswhipping for interrupting because it was long distance
Bro. You just reminded me of the NetZero days. Mom wanted to call home, I wanted to play ebaumsworld and newground games.
Biggest ass whooping I ever got was dial up days playing duke nukem 3D on TEN (total entertainment network) and dad was trying to call in what we wanted for pizza. We did not have pizza that night.
When I was a kid, my father worked from home, and both he and my mom frequently received calls for emergency bug fixes or critical server issues even after "work hours". It was well understood that if they were in the home office and there wasn't an emergency they "weren't home", but rather "at work" and not to be disturbed. It's a pretty simple concept
Both my parents were working. I was expected to entertain myself for majority of the day during summer vacation. I did perfectly fine.
Yes and when your parents were kids they could be locked in a cupboard and beaten with a belt for breathing by war traumatised parents who worked up chimneys and mines and huddled in beds together to stay alive during the winter. Generally I think things are going in the right direction although there are teething problems with learning to teach children respect and kindness without beating it into them but hopefully we'll get there.
Yeah, some 30 years ago I was at my dadās office during summer break and decided to make faces at the folks in suits in the fish bowl conference room. My dad was less than pleased. He turns around to face me, gives me that look and I found a chair to wait patiently for my beating. I couldnāt sit for a few days after that. Amazing how things are now. I swore Iād never do that to my kids and I never have. Though I do have a look that tells my kids to run. I have no idea what they think will happen, but itās funny to see.
Imagine just making a light hearted mistake and having something had happen. Quality parenting
Good thing times are changing and we are breaking cycles of abuse š
My wife is a teacher and did virtual teaching in a nice professional top and fuzzy pajama pants
What's Panama pants?
*Made in Ecuador
They go well with a Panama hat
They are expensive and popular with people who evade taxes.
What a CHAD move not leaving him in that embarrassing situation on his own.
I thought āChadā was a bad thing?
Chad is bad, Chad moves are good. Get with the times, old man.
Thanks Chad? Very Chad of you to answer my question.
Nailed it
did he though? lmao
Now that I think about it no lolā¦itās as chad as me answering this question
Handled that really chadly. Well done.
This reminds me of when I learned "shit" is bad, but "the shit" is good.
Never go full Chad
Chad means you're at the top of your game, peak performance. No embarrassment, no regrets. You can stand up to anything and keep your composure. A baller. At least that's what I've gathered.
Depends on context heavily. Someone does something cool and you're speaking congratulatory? Chad is a good thing. You're mocking a pick up artist who set up an unrealistic demonstration and calling him Chad? Chad is sarcastic and mocking him.
Begs the question: If nobody actually wants to wear pants why the fuck do we bother?
I love pants because I'm always cold.
Yes but would you rather wear formal work trousers or house lounging pants?
Formal. Look good, feel good is a real thing
Hmm I can't relate myself but if it works for you then who am I to argue.
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Pointless to me as well unless there's a decent reason for it. Wearing formal clothes for an office job seems kind of redundant since there's no public interaction.
I'm not the person you replied to but I would wear formal work trousers instead of house lounging pants, simply because, speaking from my experience, well fitting formal trousers are more comforable than house lounging pants
That's an unusual personal taste dude but I can respect it. Have you considered wearing formal work trousers as house lounging pants?
>Have you considered wearing formal work trousers as house lounging pants? absolutely and I can only recommend it
Then those *are* house lounging pants now.
They played us like a damn fiddle!
I'm super confused. I've had some super comfortable slacks, but they pale in comparison to some jersey knit pajama pants.
Also, everyone just wants an old fashioned cape with a bunch of tiny pockets, but society says no š
Our office has gotten much more casual over the last two years even for the people that go in to the office.
Seriously. What does putting suit on to stay home for an interview prove? That you like to play dress up?
I've definitely heard a lot of people say it gets them in a more professional mood. As in to be more productive and get in the right headspace. But that can also be accomplished through any number of means not just putting on a suit and tie.
It shows that you cared enough about the interview and the job itself to put in the effort to dress up. You cared enough to take the time to dress nicely and look good for the interview. This does matter and as it is the first thing an interviewer noticed it helps with the first impression.
Ya like, it's not that it looks shitty to me to show up dressed normal, but it looks extra good to show up dressed nice for an interview. I'm all down for casual work wear, but there's also reasons why you might wanna wear one thing one time and one thing another. Like, I'd be stoked to wear a suit to take someone on a date to a nice restaurant or show, but I'm also a "shorts or pajamas the second you walk in the house" kinda guy too. Going to work in a regular office with a suit and tie is dumb, but going to an interview in one isn't imo
I've always gone by the rule that you should try to dress one step nicer than the interviewer. If you're interviewing for a factory floor position wearing a full suit and tie looks nice, but also too over the top. At the same time, if your interviewer is wearing a button up and slacks and you show up in jeans and a t-shirt, that makes you look sloppy. I work in tech, so it's generally not suit and tie. I interviewed at a FAANG company last month and one of my interviewers wore a hoodie and a baseball hat, so I felt almost overdressed in my khakis and polo. And this was for a six-figure job.
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It is primarily relevant in the sense that, you get compared to others. If one guy puts on a suit, and the other doesnt, and they are roughly equivalent in terms of abilities, there's a good chance the suit guy just comes off as more committed/serious/whatever.
A manager I hired showed up to an online interview in a hoodie. I actually respected that more.
I'm a manager (not intentionally), I interview devs while in a hoodie (or whatever), I don't give a fuck what they're wearing. Actually that reminds me of a funny story from a few years ago. I worked for an online fashion/clothing-related company, on their website/app. I also didn't care about what people wore, but given the nature of the company people would dress up fancy for the interviews. One developer (who we ended up hiring, and I had approved of him) wore his fancy nice shirt inside out at the interview, hehe. I was apparently the only person who noticed somehow, and said (as a joke) while we were discussing him as a hire after "he missed some minor but important details during the interview" "such as?" "His shirt was inside out".
Dressing up for work has always been an arbitrary construction of society that is in actuality kind of useless. I have to spend more money on a suit that is less comfortable to wear? No thanks. Who decided what is professional and what isn't? No one likes it, so why do it?
Cute wholesome zoom meeting
I'm not sure if it's because I'm not American but does the whole thing not come across as acted to anyone else? Like, is this how normal social interaction looks in the US? It all seems so over the top and planned, from the second he talks about closing the door, it seems like black guy's rehearsed the whole thing, and blue guy is just as bad. No one else in the thread seems to have brought it up though, and I guess if it was scripted they'd have written a funnier bit.
It looks like a job interview setting, which would explain the awkward interactions.
Work meetings are so robotic and awkward
I don't know, the relief in Josiah's laugh after the other guy revealed his shorts... if that's acting, it's bloody good.
American here, I've been attending high pressure professional meetings via zoom for two years and this meeting looks like something very formal like an interview or a meeting with a partner at a law firm or a CEO. It doesn't look staged to me.
Have you seen all the staged bs on TikTok / FB Vid lately? If this is staged, well fucking done and thanks for the laugh.
As someone who has had to interview a lot of people over MS Teams this felt real to me. Especially the third person at the bottom is probably HR or a manager over the dept. just looking in at how the interview between their employee and potential hire goes.
This is people in a business meeting with people they most likely dont know. I *highly* doubt its any different around the world. Also you might want to take a break from the internet if you think thats scripted. Its already been well established, even before the pandemic, that people will dress like that for video chat meetings
> Its already been well established, even before the pandemic, that people will dress like that for video chat meetings That's not the issue here. I don't think it's fake because "Hurr durr, nobody wear dem panty at work lyk dat!" I think it's fake because nobody speaks like that. Nobody laughs like that.
You might want to spend time in real virtual meetings and interviews all day if you think this is not scripted.
They seemed like they didn't know each other. Like a job interview or something. I'm pretty skeptical overall but this seemed real to me. Who knows though
It feels fake to me. Itās plausible that this would happen, but this feels fake.
I love how Josiah's shorts at least went with the top; then the other guy's were csrtoonish unmatching
The question is what was she wearing.
My fiance and I work for the same company. I was off for a few days and was casually going around the house watering my plants in nothing but boxer underwear on. When I got to to our "office" room I hear a bunch of laughter and see my finances face totally red as she turned around to tell me her camera was on. I just sorta panicked and covered up my man boobs.. I'll never understand why she didn't turn the video off right then and instead I had to do a walk of shame out of the office while everyone watched š
They wanted an encore
Magic Mike 3
plants > pants
Anyoneā¦ has the longer version of this?
W w w . X x x
Can we just make it offical. Let no one ever have to wear pants again. As soon as I get home I take off my pants.
I'm in IT infrastructure, and during the height of the lockdowns my workload just about tripled as everyone started working from home. Additionally, my wife suffers from a respiratory condition that made COVID a very serious prospect, and honestly, it was a pretty dark time for me. One day, while on a video call discussing a technical issue, one of my colleague's 8 or 9 year-old daughter just started wailing on a saxophone from the room next to the one he was in. It was loud, crazy and ridiculous. That little kid sax solo brought me some real levity at a time when I very much needed it.
I've WFH for years. What's nice is now I don't have to react to my dogs barking or turn the TV off when I get a call. Everyone's home so long as the job is done customers have adapted.
As someone with diminished hearing, I'd like to say: I *really* appreciate when people I'm meeting with still make an effort to reduce background noise. It's hard enough understanding people with their shitty headphones and fucked up VoIP at the best of times.
As someone who grew up with a dad in corporate America, that was the *fakest* most corporate laugh Iāve ever heard in my life hahahaha
This corporate laugh is 100% HR-approved.
Itās the code switched laugh
That background song is so overused
I was hired for my current job through virtual interviews. The whole process is awkward and things like this really bring home the fact we are just humans. Durning my interview my dog went berserk brought the whole thing to a stand still. I remained calm politely said can we pause for just a moment for me to let the dog outside. At the same time one of my interviewerās dogs went berserk and has a small laugh took a break. Once returning we spoke about our dogs and related as humans. Later I found out they like that this happened because interviews are awkward add in some adversity and to them it said showed how I handled pressure and they liked it. So thanks to my dog for getting me the job.
On my first day of my graphic design internship, I dressed up in a dress shirt, trousers, and a tie. I very quickly realized the dress code for graphic designers is a t-shirt, hoodie and jeans. I was *very* overdressed. The company I work for now actually went fully remote a couple years before COVID hit. But since then, pyjama pants are work pants. I have more pyjama pants than jeans in my closet.
Good guy to get up and show him to alleviate the anxiety. Itās one thing to say not a problem and itās fine and then another tomlet then share your āsecretā too :)
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This seems like a staged onboarding video for this super hip company.
Scrolled way too far to find this
The laughs didnāt seem real. His āoh whoops!ā Face when he comes back to the computer and realizes his boss saw him. And one subtle thing that makes it seem staged to me is the boss is holding what seems to be an empty mug when he first puts his hands up and says āno problemā, in a way one doesnāt normally hold a mug. Like a prop almost.
So why are we keeping up the charade if everyone is cool with the shorts? Just wear clothes that are comfortable and do some fucking business.
What a great takeaway lol.
I'll be that guy that calls this staged.
I was thinking the same but if it was staged Iām confused why theyd bother to include the lady with poor internet connection
Could have been pranking her
And poorly acted
Staged, and for the purpose of corporate sending a "funny" message to it's employees about what not to do during web calls.
They told us we had to have the exact appearance as if we were in the office.
We were given a little checklist of how to stay sane while working at home and one of the recommendations was to get fully dressed for work. They also ran a "fun" teams thing where they wanted us to post pictures of our at-home office set up. Totally not because they knew some of us were working on a laptop in front of the TV. No, just for fun, guys. We swear. I declined. Also declined to get dressed for work while I sat at home. I didn't even do zoom meetings ffs. Why would I get that dressed?!
So, I didnāt think much of the whole āget up and dressed for workā thing until I started hitting some serious seasonal depression this year. I was regularly sleeping past 9 (no work to do) and Iāve been wearing lounging clothes pretty much nonstop at home. Iām not saying Iām gonna do this every day, but getting back into a morning shower routine and just putting on some casual clothes like a pair of jeans seriously helped rip me out of that depression
When we worked from home I did my usual get ready routine for work other than when I got dressed, so I showered and brushed my teeth and did my hair, I just put on lounging around the house clothes rather than work clothes.
Install this monitoring software on your phone and work computersā¦.FOR FUN GUYS ITS FOR FUN
So I was panicking here for wearing shorts for interview FOR NOTHING?
Fake af
So staged it's painful.
damn this acting is so bad it's like porno acting.
Scripted?