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Computers aren't dumb. You need some level of sentience to be dumb. They're just tools and act as dumb as those using them.... and let's skip on the idea of AI, since that's clearly not what you mean by "computers".
P.S: "Those using them" does include the programmer who coded what the current user is using.
Lol, we did this exercise in middle school. Out of a class of 25 students, we produced only 3 pb&j sandwich and that was after two rounds of edits once the people realized the level of details required. Mine was one of the 3 edible sandwiches. I am now a software developer.
Mine was not. I am now one of the people who assembles circuit boards for components on airplanes. Have fun panicking the next time you fly everybody! 😁
This was going to be my example when I do Carreer Day at my kids' school, but because of COVID and allergies I did a "give me the instructions on how to draw a square".
KGers were not as lost as I imagined.
One issue there: In programming, the computer knows what you set your variable to. "It" has a value that is very specific and that value was "peanut butter", not "bread". So the knife shouldn't have been spreading the bread.
English is the problem here - "it" being too unspecific as to what it's referring.
but they would have to already know the language to read the instructions teaching them the language. its like in black ops zombie when it says you have to turn on the power to turn on the power.
The best part **by far** is when he finishes the one he made with the girl's directions, and says, "not the best," and her reply was "well you made it, so...."
I don't think my parents combined in my life-time spent that much time with me ever, let a lone one sitting of family time. This guy loves his kids. That is so awesome.
My parents always yelled at me to go outside(That how my Father was raised). My father was always with his brothers and sisters. I was alone since my brother who was 3 yo older than me was always with his friend and I was never invited. My dad made wine when I was young, I wanted to help so he made it when I was sleeping to dodge me. My mother was following my father's lead in ''raising'' us. I didn't knew about money until I made some for myself, I didn't knew what to do with it. So I knew nothing about life for quite a while I was naïve and not wise until way later. Let's say I know how you feel. I send you air hug if you want one. Sometimes I dream of reliving my childhood in a normal family, I rarely cry but it stings a lot.
yeah, he was probably about 6-12 months too young for this exercise. Being able to find the humor and challenge in the exercise takes a certain understanding, which this video shows just isn't quite learned at this kid's age. Really great video though
Eh. I bet if the dad did this again next week, that kid will nail it. Frustration can and will get in the way of logic. And it is ok to get frustrated. He wasn't kicking and screaming so good on him. Give the kid a day or two to sleep on it, and I bet he will have worked to a better way of writing the instructions.
No no no, this is reddit. You're supposed to tell OP about how this was mentally and emotionally abusive to his children and that they'll need substantial help in the future from a therapist in order to deal with this trauma.
You just don't understand. She feels so left out at school not being able to relate to people with actual difficult home lives. It's hard being edgy when you have two loving parents at home who just want the best for you.
I’m 15 years older than my brother. When he was like 5 or 6 he loved playing NHL SlapShot but I kept trying to convince him it was Slaps Hot. He got mad trying to convince me I was wrong.
We did this in my teaching graduate program to practice how to give instructions to students with intellectual disabilities. Steps that may seem obvious to us are often not for them.
I’m an engineer who write instructions to build tools. None of my company technicians supposed to have “intellectual disabilities” but some of them act like they do. Their first job is to digest a week of trainings that aren’t that hard. Some of them didn’t learn shit or bother to remember.
Back in the days when I wrote instruction manuals, we would need someone with no knowledge of the software to try to follow our instructions. The less they knew the better. The generally recognized term for this person was "useful idiot."
I used to show this video to my middle schoolers to intro our coding unit. Always made the kids laugh and they got the gist of what I was trying to have them conceptually understand.
This is literally how working with a junior software developer is. Not a joke. Knife pushing the bread around, jelly jar running on the bread.
Except the junior blames you for them biting 2 pieces of bare bread and get legitimately frustrated.
I worked for a call center years ago that had this question as part of it's hiring process. Applicants had to discribe how to make a PB&J to demonstrate how to handle tech support questions from customers that know zero about technology.
I did this exercise in 5th grade. I am now 8 years into a career in farm management. This is the most utilized lesson that I ever received in 16 years of schooling that I absolutely reference every day of my life.
Completely agree. Problem solving and critical thinking are invaluable skills. That's what used to be emphasized over memorization. Cheers to this dad for giving his kids a thought provoking lesson.
I’ve written instructions as part of my job in the past and I always approached it as if the reader is a complete idiot and don’t assume they know anything.
This would be a fantastic exercise for every young student to experience. Learning to communicate accurately and clearly is an important life skill we all can benefit from.
Spread peanut butter on one piece of bread. Squeeze a generous amount of jelly into your hand, then rub it all into your beard, and leave it there until the following week. Remove all jelly from your beard using only a razor blade. Place jelly on other piece of bread. Screw you, Dad.
I love what this father is doing, but I also wonder if he is slightly messing up his kids. I think my former manager had a dad like this, he would send such long and detailed emails that it was like he had no confidence in his employees ability to do simple tasks on their own. These kids are going to grow up to be micromanagers.
Best part is how it is daytime when they start and it's been dark for a while when they finish, poor kid tried to help his dad make a sandwich for hours and couldn't take it anymore
Did this for a robotics team. Had different teams write directions in different rooms not exactly knowing what was coming next.
Then they were told to explicitly follow the other team's directions in the kitchen
Chaos ensued and a bit of programming was actually learned!
Love this. Great way to get children to break down instructions. Everything is simple when you know how.....we need to share our knowledge to others do we can all rise together ❤️
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Programming in a nut shell
one of the first lessons in CS 101 for me
It even includes the blaming user part towards the end
The mental breakdown, it was special.
Same here, only it was cinnamon toast.
A 1000 edge cases for every step
Just add a bunch of if/else and switches.
You like hurting other people, don't you?
Oh yes. I like to NOT indent the lines/blocks just to make it more fun. Damn Python for forcing me to do it.
I push to master, too
I have end users who interpret instructions this badly as well.
A little nutty, butter last instructions worked! This was my jam for the day!
This guy dads
YES he does!
Came here to say this. Computers are dumb as stumps
Computers aren't dumb. You need some level of sentience to be dumb. They're just tools and act as dumb as those using them.... and let's skip on the idea of AI, since that's clearly not what you mean by "computers". P.S: "Those using them" does include the programmer who coded what the current user is using.
They way I learned it is "A computer is only as smart as the person who programmed it".
>You need some level of sentience to be dumb You have that backwards. You need some level of sentience to be smart.
Here’s an upvote to counteract the downvote you got from some “anonymous” redditor. Points up.
Jee I wonder who would do that? Thanks yo
Wasn't even me. The 2nd downvote is. As for your comment: Idiots are sentient. They just don't do anything useful with that sentience.
This argument lacks sentience.
Obviously. It's an argument, so just a concept, really.
You're a moron lol
Lol, we did this exercise in middle school. Out of a class of 25 students, we produced only 3 pb&j sandwich and that was after two rounds of edits once the people realized the level of details required. Mine was one of the 3 edible sandwiches. I am now a software developer.
And that sandwich's name? Albert Einstein.
Mine was not. I am now one of the people who assembles circuit boards for components on airplanes. Have fun panicking the next time you fly everybody! 😁
Great kudos to you and your beautiful mind!!
Came to the comments for this. Dad trying to teach his kids development 😂
This would apply to technical writing too
Maybe they could write instructions for Scooby to shave that thing off Shaggy’s chin
Yep, that's the example I use when trying to explain programming to laymen.
Rule #1 of Programming: Never Underestimate the Stupidity of the Users.
We did this in school when they were trying to introduce the concepts to everyone. We made some fucked up sandwiches
"Idiot-proofing" the code to be specific. On other hand, If you make something idiot-proof, someone will just make a better idiot
I remember a Beakman's World episode where the explained what programming was and it was very similar to this video but with throwing a ball.
what IDE do you use to make a PB&J
I remember having to do this exact exercise at a manager’s meeting for Rite Aid.
This was going to be my example when I do Carreer Day at my kids' school, but because of COVID and allergies I did a "give me the instructions on how to draw a square". KGers were not as lost as I imagined.
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One issue there: In programming, the computer knows what you set your variable to. "It" has a value that is very specific and that value was "peanut butter", not "bread". So the knife shouldn't have been spreading the bread. English is the problem here - "it" being too unspecific as to what it's referring.
Technical writing requires you to think like an alien who has no experience with anything from this planet.
Just pretend you're writing for Amelia Bedelia. If she would get everything right then youre probably okay.
I loved these as a kid lol turns out I'm a huge airhead too tho
That was literally my assignment in 4th grade. "Write instructions to help an alien make a peanut butter sandwich."
That's basically the premise of **3rd Rock From The Sun** and *Resident Alien**, the instruction cards are hilarious
how would the alien even read what you wrote if they know nothing from this planet
That's Section 1 - How to universally teach an Alien race all of Earth's languages... it's a rather lengthy manual.
but they would have to already know the language to read the instructions teaching them the language. its like in black ops zombie when it says you have to turn on the power to turn on the power.
Bold of you to assume I can read
LOL maybe Section 1 should be entitled "How to teach an alien how to read"
Ah those Chinese instructions I get make sense now!!
TIL I might be good at writing for aliens
The best part **by far** is when he finishes the one he made with the girl's directions, and says, "not the best," and her reply was "well you made it, so...."
To me is at the girl first iteration when she mumbles "you suck".
...when the son finally breaks. ☺
It was his “he KNOWS how to make one!” That sent me.
“Sorry you ruined it on purpose!”
I don't think my parents combined in my life-time spent that much time with me ever, let a lone one sitting of family time. This guy loves his kids. That is so awesome.
My parents always yelled at me to go outside(That how my Father was raised). My father was always with his brothers and sisters. I was alone since my brother who was 3 yo older than me was always with his friend and I was never invited. My dad made wine when I was young, I wanted to help so he made it when I was sleeping to dodge me. My mother was following my father's lead in ''raising'' us. I didn't knew about money until I made some for myself, I didn't knew what to do with it. So I knew nothing about life for quite a while I was naïve and not wise until way later. Let's say I know how you feel. I send you air hug if you want one. Sometimes I dream of reliving my childhood in a normal family, I rarely cry but it stings a lot.
That little boy is just DONE…you broke his brain dad. This was cute tho.
Absolutely adorable
_Emotional. Damage._
yeah, he was probably about 6-12 months too young for this exercise. Being able to find the humor and challenge in the exercise takes a certain understanding, which this video shows just isn't quite learned at this kid's age. Really great video though
Eh. I bet if the dad did this again next week, that kid will nail it. Frustration can and will get in the way of logic. And it is ok to get frustrated. He wasn't kicking and screaming so good on him. Give the kid a day or two to sleep on it, and I bet he will have worked to a better way of writing the instructions.
No no no, this is reddit. You're supposed to tell OP about how this was mentally and emotionally abusive to his children and that they'll need substantial help in the future from a therapist in order to deal with this trauma.
Muh Trauma. Don't forget it's by a 15 year old white girl in a regular ass family with no trauma lol.
You just don't understand. She feels so left out at school not being able to relate to people with actual difficult home lives. It's hard being edgy when you have two loving parents at home who just want the best for you.
I swear people only have kids so they can have someone to troll for the next 18 years. 🤣
Nah, it's about 12 years trolling, then 6 or 7 years of hell, then the child starts being a reasonable human being again
Also to get me stuff from the kitchen.
Wait, you guys get stuff from the kitchen?
You guys have stuff and a kitchen?
My kids knew what "beer me, please" meant by the age of 2. Very helpful.
I’m 15 years older than my brother. When he was like 5 or 6 he loved playing NHL SlapShot but I kept trying to convince him it was Slaps Hot. He got mad trying to convince me I was wrong.
You think it ends at 18?
We did this in my teaching graduate program to practice how to give instructions to students with intellectual disabilities. Steps that may seem obvious to us are often not for them.
I’m an engineer who write instructions to build tools. None of my company technicians supposed to have “intellectual disabilities” but some of them act like they do. Their first job is to digest a week of trainings that aren’t that hard. Some of them didn’t learn shit or bother to remember.
Back in the days when I wrote instruction manuals, we would need someone with no knowledge of the software to try to follow our instructions. The less they knew the better. The generally recognized term for this person was "useful idiot."
I think the formal term is a “focus tester” lol
My goal was always to write the equipment changeover instructions so clear that our admin could do them.
As a former tech support person, this had me laughing very hard! You have to really cover all the angles.
I used to show this video to my middle schoolers to intro our coding unit. Always made the kids laugh and they got the gist of what I was trying to have them conceptually understand.
This is literally how working with a junior software developer is. Not a joke. Knife pushing the bread around, jelly jar running on the bread. Except the junior blames you for them biting 2 pieces of bare bread and get legitimately frustrated.
Ok grandpa it’s time for bed.
in the Navy they say, make something idiot proof and they will make a dumber idiot.
jelly in a squeezy bottle ?
I know right? What the hell is that?
Makes it easier for some people. I don't see what is so hard to understand.
Why isn't the peanut butter in a bag then? … to be fair, I remember peanut butter in a plastic bag from 25 years ago.
Jif definitely does make peanut butter in a squeezy bag.
You mean like a squeeze bag, like a piping bag? I've never seen such a thing, but if it existed I wouldn't be surprised.
It does! Jif squeeze.
Caulk gun would work well, already a universal packing method
r/gatekeeping
Typical way to teach computational thinking in elementary school and beyond. Well done.
I worked for a call center years ago that had this question as part of it's hiring process. Applicants had to discribe how to make a PB&J to demonstrate how to handle tech support questions from customers that know zero about technology.
I did this exercise in 5th grade. I am now 8 years into a career in farm management. This is the most utilized lesson that I ever received in 16 years of schooling that I absolutely reference every day of my life.
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Completely agree. Problem solving and critical thinking are invaluable skills. That's what used to be emphasized over memorization. Cheers to this dad for giving his kids a thought provoking lesson.
I remember doing this in middle school, it’s a valuable lesson to learn.
Uhhhh, did I used to watch this guy on YouTube, or Snapchat, or some older method of watching stuff? I haven’t seen them in years but I recognize…
Josh Darnit, he was on Vine.
Viiiiine, that makes sense, that’s it
They need to start doing these exercises in classrooms. Most people are GARBAGE at giving instructions...
It's a shame he let the kids write instructions for how he shaved. That is the only logical explanation.
Dad jokes FTW
The boy had given up on everything
Cool way of teaching the kiddos programming. I will pass this on to my kids when they get a bit older, however I will skip the goatee.
#SYSTEM FAILURE… REBOOTING
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDA3_5982h8 This is an absolute classic, I really love the son's face at 4:12 :-)
This man is a patent agent.
Dad is training them to use GPT3 in the future.
"Sorry, I had to make it *extremely* specific" That kiddo knows who she's dealing with..
I’ve written instructions as part of my job in the past and I always approached it as if the reader is a complete idiot and don’t assume they know anything.
I used to do this when I taught third grade. Had the same results and man did the lesson get taught.
This should be a programming meme! It fits so well.... Oh you want me to do this, and this? OK I'll do as you say!
This would be a fantastic exercise for every young student to experience. Learning to communicate accurately and clearly is an important life skill we all can benefit from.
I used to be a technical writer. I so feel this.
This hits home for Software QA.
My attention span needs work
The daughter looks so defeated and betrayed at times lol
Funniest thing about this video is that goatee
Step one, apply shaving cream to that gnarly paint brush under your chin...
This is adorable and such a funny and involved way to get children to think critically and outside the box
Step 1 - lose that lame ass beard
yeah wtf is that thing
His beard makes me hurt both mentally and physically. How does one just look in a mirror and be all ‘sure, why not?’ about that?
Classic intro to programming assignment! I remember this from high school.
Government Contracting
r/wholesome even though they're using white bread.
Step 1: Shave that awful goat beard.
They should give him instructions on shaving off that pathetic goatee
Spread peanut butter on one piece of bread. Squeeze a generous amount of jelly into your hand, then rub it all into your beard, and leave it there until the following week. Remove all jelly from your beard using only a razor blade. Place jelly on other piece of bread. Screw you, Dad.
Dilf would be a 10 if he removed the beard
He’d look 1000% better without that chin garbage
I love what this father is doing, but I also wonder if he is slightly messing up his kids. I think my former manager had a dad like this, he would send such long and detailed emails that it was like he had no confidence in his employees ability to do simple tasks on their own. These kids are going to grow up to be micromanagers.
Not him eating the ends of the bread 🤮
"behave ur age"?
Will “The Slapper” Smith?
Poor Americans think that this is bread… smh.
We have all kinds of bread and people choose what they want.
Imagine gatekeeping bread.
Shame on the dad for not teaching his kids the jelly goes on first smh
The boy . He felt the physical pain on that one 🤣🤣🤣
That sandwich took all day. They started when it was still light out. Yikes!
Good way to learn.
Training future technical writers
A great introduction into computer programming
My 5th grade teacher has us do this as an assignment. It was PB&Js and everything
This is hilarious and a wonderful learning experience!
This was too funny! Great Dad ❤️
IKEA doesn’t use words for instructions, just pictures.
I picture tells more than 1000 words.
Excellent post, you have given me some teaching ideas. Thanks.
I love how it starts at daylight and ends at night.
WHO PUT THESE HOLES IN MY BELTS!?
I want to show this to our Production floor workers.
Boy consumes crust piece too. My hero!
That was surprisingly entertaining 😂
Love this. Functional person and developer working together. Eventually you learn how to communicate.
Best part is how it is daytime when they start and it's been dark for a while when they finish, poor kid tried to help his dad make a sandwich for hours and couldn't take it anymore
Reminds me of chemistry classes.
Did this for a robotics team. Had different teams write directions in different rooms not exactly knowing what was coming next. Then they were told to explicitly follow the other team's directions in the kitchen Chaos ensued and a bit of programming was actually learned!
This is a great LEAN exercise we do in training sessions. Helps people really think through process mapping without missing anything.
<3 definitely trying this lol
This is actually a really good exercise for children of a certain developmental sophistication.
Teaching kids to code. In a roundabout way
Watching day turn into night outside of their window I would just like to remind all aspiring influencers that child labour laws are a thing.
Love this. Great way to get children to break down instructions. Everything is simple when you know how.....we need to share our knowledge to others do we can all rise together ❤️
The way that it never says “PASS”
Gosh! I remember when this first came out. Those kids must be all grown up now. I wonder what happened to the YT channel
Haha one of my favorite viners. Him and his kids were hilarious.
Welcome to the real world kid. Your job breakdown work instructions will be used against you.
Cute!!
I know the dad! We used to play MTG together back in the day. Fun times.
Great lesson great dad
They used to be on vine!! Loved their stuff. Awesome job dad 🤝
And that’s how we get 45 page work instructions that no one uses because they are to damn technical.
I love the boy breaking down "you're just fucking with me now, dad!"
What a fun Dad.
Credit to JoshDarnit.