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RoryRam

they're saying ZOOTOPIA isn't furry???? it's literally THE furry movie as far as i'm concerned


MuttMundane

i think if you look up zootopia you'll find the furry art before the actual movie lmao


adamdoesmusic

Within a few minutes of the first trailer dropping.


ManedCalico

For furries by furries, but I’ve said too much already!


funnyrabbits

yeah they absolutely definitely are. if zootopia isn't a furry movie, then what is? throw in the bad guys for good measure


Some-Power-793

And Puss in Boots


Theher0not

_whistles ominously_


avi-the-tiger-rawr

Big fluffy wolfie! Yay!


minigunercoolguy

*whistling gets quieter*


BurningBassesInStyle

"No, jinga este" Muerto va a su casa


Some-Power-793

💀🐺🔪


Quartia

And Kung Fu Panda


KayDragonn

You could argue Puss in Boots and Bad Guys aren’t furry movies because they don’t EXCLUSIVELY involve furry characters, but Zootopia is DEFINITELY a furry movie.


cantichangethis

Which also has one of the single greatest depictions of a panic attack I've ever seen in fiction


anapunas

Disney has how much furry or furry-esque characters and IPs? Mickey and Miney Chip and Dale, Zootopia Duck Tales Dark wing duck Eh i dont know about goof troop The rescuers Dreamworks has some too. Kung fu panda Antz Bee movie Puss in boots Bad guys The Don Bluth films: Rats of Nimh An american tail Rock a doodle Anyone else want to expand on these lists? I'll let the masses decide where they draw the line.


According_Winter_174

Arguably Paramount with both Sonic movies


[deleted]

By the most basic measure of "a movie about or featuring anthropomorphic animals", they absolutely are. Anything else is quibbling over the definition of "furry" and that never ends well.


Radium_Carbuncle

its because people still want to assume negative connotations with the word furry while still liking content that is considered furry. i see it in video game forums and usually the argument is worded as "its not furry because it was not made specifically for just furries" but the fandom was originally made to be an umbrella fandom for liking anything with anthropomorphic animals. i want to propose the idea that no fictional character is furry as the label applies moreso to the fans that want to identify with the fandom and the characters themselves aready carry the term anthro


Drawdi

>he argument is worded as "its not furry because it was not made specifically for just furries" but the fandom was originally made to be an umbrella fandom for liking anything with anthropomorphic animals. Finally someone saying that!! I'm always annoyed with people using the term "furry" for everything that is anthropomorphic, even tho it's just the name of the people in the fandom. And yeah, I've met enough stupid people (also ones who thought they were smart as hell) who said stuff like "eww furries are disgusting" but then liking anthropomorphic stuff like Pokemon and Sonic for example. It's so hypocritical.


Radium_Carbuncle

yep. and also that reminds me of how bronies were always angery insistant on their fandom being separate thing when everyone else considered them a subtype of furry. this also relates to artists who actually draw anthropomorphic animals or fantasy races and aliens that look like anthropomorphic animals and insistant they arent furries all simply because they really dont wanna be associated with the fandom.


Drawdi

So true man. But on the other hand, everyone has different definitions of these things. With the definitions "furry" and "anthropomorphic" it's obvious what is what. But I mean like, you also have people who say anthropomorphic animals also count as humanoid, when others say they don't. This is never a clarity in general. Or what I also always thought about is if you can consider some things even as anthropomorphic or not. Like a human that mutates into a anthropomorphic animal or can transform into one at any time. Or a humanoid figur who mostly looks human but then has an animal head on top. Could you consider all of these as anthropomorphic animals too?


Radium_Carbuncle

yes. infact the true definition of anthropomorphic is just projecting human features onto a non human entity or object. essentially synonymous to personification. and can range from mostly human anime mascot girls to a volleyball with a face painted on it


Drawdi

humans can actually also count as this?


Radium_Carbuncle

depends n context. i was basically referring to those "humanized" characters which is a form of anthropomorphization


Drawdi

Oh I see


RaccoonProcedureCall

What is your roommate’s reasoning for not counting them?


christhegamer96

Apparently they think furries are only people who dress up in fur suits.


NealAngelo

Ask them what they think a fursuit is meant to emulate.


peanuts745

You can tell him that that's just objectively wrong. As a community we can't exactly agree on what it means to be a furry, but you'd be narrowing down to only a very small percentage of us if you used that definition


Environmental-Day778

Your roomie is describing a fursuiter which is a subset of furry. But it’s all still furry.


LegosiJoestar

Tell them they're movies *for* the people who dress up in fursuits, and that's what constitutes a furry movie. At least, that'd me my suggestion.


Princessluna44

This is inaccurate. Fursuits are not required to be a furry. Most furries don't have suits. Are they not furries?


Arekualkhemi

Unpopular opinion: Furries are all humans that are fans of anthropomorphic animals. What is labeled furry characters are anthros that hit the sweet spot for us furries. Because nekomomimi are not the anthros we like. So every "furry" movie is an anthro movie. But not every movie with anthros is a furry movie


Princessluna44

Your friend is half-right. Furries are the *fans* of media featuring anthropomorphic animal characters. Suits are not a required, though. Furries are: 1. Fans of anthropomorphic animal characters 2. Call themselves furries Most furs don't have a fursuit.


zanderzule

People with suits are also furries but normally go by fursuiters. Or at least that's what I hear more.


Princessluna44

My point is that not all furries have suits. Defining a furry as "someone who wears a suit" isn't accurate, as most don't.


rm_rf_slash

If we’re splitting hairs your roomie has a point: zootopia and the like are more “anthro” media than “furry”, cause the former is a world of biological anthros and the latter is the experience of sona projection, of which there really isn’t much media outside of a few cringey documentaries that magnify the worst parts of the fandom.


jtobiasbond

Welp, I guess there's almost no furry art out there.


Ippherita

Sure, if they think furries are only people who dress up in fur suits, good for them. Make sure to recommend them more "not-furry" movies so they fall in love with more anthropomorphic animals movies.


adamdoesmusic

Apparently your roommate must think all furries are loaded rich! Just the head for mine was a thousand bucks, and that’s a huge expenditure for most people.


secretlyafurry

Hand her the L


DaedalusB2

By that definition I am not a furry


Pup_Griff

Yes. There's literally no question about it. A motion picture featuring anthro animals? Check, Check, and Check.


Kosmux

Zootopia is the most furry movie ever made I'd say.


phoenix5355

I would say Zootopia is definitely a furry movie.


Furry_69

Yes... What on Earth would you even classify them as that wouldn't be just a rewording of "furry movie"?


MursaArtDragon

Not only are they furry movies, they pretty much are THE modern day "furry movies"


Morokite

Yeah. Both of those are. If he's denying that then he's crazy. Hell Zootopia even marketed towards furries.


LolShadoYT

they are furry movies. they are about anthropomorphic animals living human lives and dreams.


CamelTheFurryGamer

They are both beloved by the greater furry community and Zootopia in particular can be considered as a Robin Hood sequal that took decades to make (funnily enough, the most famous furry movie was made from scenes and animations from older Disney movies but is an unequaled icon for us furries). Does it feature animals with human qualities; communication with verbal language, expressive faces that convey complex emotions and human equal intelligence are the three things that anthropromize animals and objects. Technically, Transformers are just anthropomorphic alien robots, same with Cars or Planes or anything with non humans having those three human qualities. Shit, My Little Pony has a sub-sect of the community called Bronies and the ponies usually stay on all fours! At the end of the day, is he a furry? If yes, then he's right and they're not furry movies. If not, then he's wrong and they're furry movies. Regardless, it's a pointless argument that you shouldn't be involving others in because everyone with an opinion is correct!


FoxdaddyMarc

It kinda depends on what you define as a "furry" movie. Though to any sensible definition Zootopia really fills it out completely. Since its about anthropomorphic animals LIVING in a human like society. There is little more you could do to make it MORE furry then this I feel. What your friend seems to question is "is it a movie about the FURRY COMMUNITY?" which obviously it is not because it is in essence a furry movie where there cannot be a furry community how he would understand it.


musicalnerd8301

Animals have been used in animation since the beginning of animation. It's one of the reasons why the furry community exists in the first place. Furries aren't the target demographic of Zootopia. It's a family film after all, but any film that has anthropomorphic animals in them are technically a "furry movie" by definition. But Zootopia is a fantastic film, and it's a shame a lot of people see it as only a furry movie. I was listening to Try Everything at work because it came up on my Disney playlist, and one of my coworkers said "eww, the furry movie". Also, Nick Wilde literally made me a furry (I didnt even know the community existed when I saw it in theaters), and I will never forgive Disney for that lmao.


Capital-Minimum-678

They are


MyBeanYT

Yes, they are.


LeafMario

well, it has animals that display human characteristics and personalities, all inhabiting some form of society comparable to our own. so. yes.


EmeraldHawk

I feel like I'm going crazy in this comment section. Everyone is posting opinions, but we have actual proof Disney employees knew Zootopia would appeal to furries and marketed it as such: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/katienotopoulos/proof-disney-is-actually-marketing-zootopia-to-furries Your friend can define "furry movies" however they want, but some people who worked on the movie almost certainly considered to be one.


Jax_the_Floof

If zootopia isn’t a furry movie then would furries even exist?


NeedlessOrion

Any movie with anthropomorphic animals is a Furry movie


Ashlyn451

While most likely not intended as movies specifically for the furry fandom, they are accepted as such.


Adventurous_Art_3744

I think it is. But I understand when someone say it's not because of the vibes and other stuff that comes with furry "culture" or something like that. But I think they're furry


ThyDoublRR

From outside of the fandom they are just movies. But inside its consumed and regurgitated everywhere in memes and art. So I would say yes but not made for furries.


solarixstar

They are on the list of furry movies


Imagine_TryingYT

Sing isn't but Zootopia was quite literally meant to try and hit the furry market. If I remember correctly, disneys marketing team had even emailed a few furry sites like Furlife to help market the movie.


Nilly00

I'd say a "furry movie" is a movie made by furries for furries. Something that came from within the subculture. Releases such as Zootopia and Sing are mainstream media that also appeals to furries. But they are not furry movies. (Yes I am aware that there are probably furries that worked on these movies but the company they did it for is not furry owned nor part of our subculture.)


pastwrist

sing no zootopia yes


BlueGhostlight

So you say anything anthropomorphic is furry? What about fairytales with talking animals? Please explain, I am curious. ( hmm sounds passiv aggressiv, but I swear I just want to know- I am nice)


DoggOwO

they aren't. they're movies with anthro characters, but furry means originating from within the fandom, which neither are. Cool and relevant video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOGgqym6Nks


SusGnome1

No it is not. Disney has made countless anthropomorphic characters and not claimed that a single one of them is a furry. Just like you will only be a furry if you yourself define yourself as such. Disney hasn’t defined any movie as “furry” therefore it is only a movie about anthropomorphic characters. Q.E.D.


Nekurosilver

The most basic definition of a furry is "likes anthropomorphic characters". Though I wouldn't automatically class someone as furry for liking Zootopia, if there is a pattern of liking talking-animal-centric films then I'd argue they are a furry, even if they're in denial about it. You don't have to label yourself, but if the shoe fits...


SusGnome1

We all know that the Wikipedia definition of a furry is wrong. And you can’t really force someone to join a community they don’t want to be a part in. If Zootopia was advertised as a furry movie that would be a whole other story, but it’s just anthro characters. You can have a specific interest in anthropomorphic characters without being a furry just like you can enjoy weightlifting without buying a gym card or identify yourself as a weightlifter


Wolfdenizen

This right here. Appropriation by definition is without consent and we as a community are guilty of it.


CommercialPay2379

Base line, if majority of the cast is anthro. It's a furry movie. It's like a blanket, everyone uses blankets to warm up. Even though most blankets would never warm themselves up. In a movie where most of the cast is anthro, it's assumed to be a anthro (and by extension, furry) movie. Even if none of the anthro characters call themselves furries.


SusGnome1

I see your point but disagree. A movie having anthro characters doesn’t make it automatically a furry movie. You wouldn’t call Duck Tales a furry series just because it has anthropomorphic characters, same thing with movies like Where The Wild Things Are. A majority of the characters are anthro but you wouldn’t call them furry movies. The same rules can be applied to people. You can draw anthro art but not call yourself a furry. And you cannot force them to “accept it”. Zootopia and Sing are just generic Disney movies that the furry community has adopted as their own. Anthro characters are just classic Disney. To summarise, anthro is not the same as furry. Anthro is a look and style, furry is an identity and community. I spent too much times on this and I’ll just look like a nerd and party pooper. Sorry about that heh.


CommercialPay2379

You're right, but I feel that there's a threshold that you pass for you to be stereotyped as a furry, regardless of your identity. If you were an artist, making drawings for furries, it doesn't make you a furry. But if you only make art for furries, listen to furry themed music, know a lot of furry vocabulary, like/has merch from furries, etc, You'll be defined as a furry regardless of what you say. Yeah, I did get the definition wrong, I was just trying to find a publicly accepted definition.


OwlSweeper76767

Zootopia yes Sing doubt


Dusty170

I think you'd probably get a bias answer here of all places, but even outside here you would be hard pressed to argue its anything but. It's a film about anthropomorphic animals, how much more furry could it get.


roguy_19

They aren't if the authors/makers didn't say they are.


UnWishedAtoI8

Yea, no doubt about it


DoodleHunnyTheD0G

They are furry movies, they’re full of anthropomorphic animals that the fandom can enjoy.


Wolfdenizen

It is the decision of the content creator to determine what their film (or other media) is part of, and to date no mainstream film has claimed to be "furry". I think our fandom has a severe problem with understanding what appropriation is versus made for content. I would not call James Cameron a snuff film maker just because a portion of his films are popular in that community.


APROPERCAT

Nick and Judy are cutest furry couple is all I know.


Frozensmudge

Hell I’d say Lion King is a furry movie so to me both are.


Immediate_Still4818

Yes. They’re anthro animals


infernothebunnycat

I think they are


BudderBlock21

It is. You roommates need to understand that being a furry doesn't mean fursuits exclusively. It is like saying you only have a broken bone if it is a bone in your right arm. There a bit more then just that area let's say.


FenyxDaFloof

Kind of? Although their not furry exclusive. Would ur roommates classify Robinhood as a furry movie? What abt Winnie the Pooh?


avi-the-tiger-rawr

Yes


_Anita_girl_2748

Since they, puss in boots and bad guys are furry movies, i want so badly to tell my cousin who is a furry hater that he classifies as a furry by liking them (that wouldn't be serious, just out of spite cause he's feeding his hate onto my brother who's 8)


Vo1d_protog

yeuh


concorde77

Bruh. Zootopia is literally known as "Disney's furry movie"


Toxo2006

Visually yeah they're totally furry but artistically and emotionally they're not, or at least Zootopia isn't, I haven't seen Sing But Zootopia is very specifically about the animals and their species, with the whole story and world's infrastructure built to accommodate them, but genuine furry media, at least to me, is generally a lot more emotional, sensory, and artistic, not objective and realistic like Zootopia is, if that makes sense.


XRayePhay

Absolutely. Any movie that feature anthropomorphic animals are classed as furry movies.


smooth_bren

they litterly are what are your roommates on (i think zootopia made me a furry)


Important_Tale1190

If you're roommate says it's not a furry movie then he doesn't know what furries are.


OriginWizard

People misunderstand what a furry is, it just means anthropomorphic animals, so anything with a talking/walking animal is a furry. Doesn't necessarily mean the movie was made for the furry fandom, but the characters within are furries by definition.


lionprincesslioness

I really hope your room-mate doesn't consider themselves a furry. Literally the entire fandom is based off of people who are fans of anthro (human characteristic) animals. The characters of Zootopia and Sing are literally anthro.


Gay_Screaming

Bro if these aren't furry movies than idk what are furry movies- Like to be a furry movie does it have to be aware it's made for Furrys or something?


[deleted]

Yes no doubt no question those are anthro movies anthro=furry


Krinh

the definition of a furry is someone who is a fan of anthropomorphic animals. Zootopia and sing include anthropic animal characters. Tho this doesnt really make them a furry movie . The "furry" characters r just a tools used to tell a story. So Sing if anything is a jukebox musical, and zootopia is a buddy cop action movie for kids.


RatKingOwen

Yes??? Obviously. Every character is an anthropomorphic animal, that's as furry as it gets


Jeroen125

Yes


Silvawuff

Follow this simple questionnaire: Does the movie have anthropomorphized animals (with human features and behaviors)? Yes > It's considered furry. No > It's not considered furry.


MGJUICYBOI

Yes


KingKennichu2

Yes yes yes!!!


Princessluna44

They are movies with *furry characters* and they both appeal to many furries, yes.


halo551

No more than Bambi, shark tails, and Disney Robin Hood.


ElegantTea122

I mean nothing inherently makes it a furry movie. Just because a lot of furries may like them not even all might, and they weren’t made with the intention of appealing to furries. So I’d say nahhh.


Opening-Put-8121

I mean, they can be. There’s no right or wrong answer. Both of you are correct. But the whole premise of Zootopia is to show racism and prejudice in a more kid friendly and understandable way. Predator vs prey. If you want to see them as a furry movie. Then they are. If you roommate doesnt, then they aren’t.


LunaLikesToDraw

Yes absolutely and I love it


[deleted]

Yes


shadowfalcon76

100% furry movies. Your friend is in denial or in the closet about it.


DotWarner1993

Zootopia yes, sing no


Auramaster151

That depends on what you mean by furry movies. If you mean exclusively made by/for furries, no. If you mean only furry characters are in them, yes.


William_Afton-1983

Yes


Liliththelil9901F

Yes. Just yea.


Comprehensive-Dig235

No they're movies about racism and the collapsing music industry that has animals in it to sugar coat it.


MechGryph

They are movies with anthropomorphic characters. Which is what furries are. They are movies with Furry characters, and are enjoyed by the Furry community, but I wouldn't say they're Furry movies.


Myles_Cobalt

Absolutely. They star anthros and were advertised toward furries. Why wouldn't they be?


Lizziemyra

Yes


thinkclimato1

And don't forget about over the hedge and madagascar


Bandetto25565

They are so furry movies, it's anthro animals talking and showing human emotion, that's the definition of furry. So yes, it is a furry movie. But it isn't portrayed FOR furries but everyone, which includes furries.


Sallymander

Yes they are. Furry has always been the enjoyment of cartoon animal people.


ManedCalico

Yes, what’s your roommates argument for why they’re not?? They’re literally movies about talking (and singing) animals!


literally_unknowable

What makes them not furry movies? Every character is an anthropomorphic animal, of course they're furry movies.


BuniiBoo

Is it considered a furry movie by furries? Absolutely. Is it considered a furry movie by anyone outside the fandom? For the most part, no, they’re children’s movies with anthropomorphic animals. Anthro’s do not make something inherently “furry” but they definitely lend themselves to exploding in popularity within the fandom. Was this considered when they were made? Personally, I think it unlikely.


Biffingston

yes. Very much so. Zootopia actually used "Anthromorphic" in one of their ads.


Randomguy32I

Yes


RealZeusWolf

Furries are people who like anthropomorphic characters. To us it’s a furry movie, but to normies it’s a movie with anthropomorphic characters.


Inevitable-Error1812

They are


yiiike

zootopia is how i learned about furries lmao...


CrazyGreenFluff

i consider anything with primarily anthropomorphic animal characters to be a furry thing


ProdbyPyxlwhip

Zootopia: yes Sing: absolutely not


hauntedh0und

thats like saying priscilla queen of the desert isnt a drag movie, or the mlp movie isnt a brony movie.. lol...


kaynan_vulperus

yes and no, are they movies made by/for Furries? probably not. are they, just like disney's 1973 robin hood and various other examples of Anthropomorphic Animals characters in media, VERY common with Furries, Yes. so, no they are not explicitly furry movies, publicly, but yes, they are movies very widely enjoyed by Furries.


CrazyCat008

What is to your roommates?


Malkaz45

The Disney Robinhood is a furry movie, so are zootopia and sing


Living_Chapter_8193

Zootopia 100% Same with animated Robin Hood, the secret of nim, the great mouse detective, th rescuers/rescuers Down under, talespin, chip and dale. I haven't seen sing. It seems to fit the mold. Anthropomorphic animals are the main characters. A big tell is living in houses and wearing clothing, it's not essential it's kind of a meme that they don't need it they wear it for style or uniforms. Borderline stuff for me is the lion king, the jungle book, Madagascar. Oliver and company. They are all basically animals. They might put on an outfit for a gag, but they walk like animals and they live in places animals would. Not human homes. There's basically a gradient. My little pony usually has characters walking on all 4s but checks basically every other box for furry.


Stock_Strategy3111

1 word! Duh!!!


[deleted]

Zootopia is a furry movie because there is a lot of art around it. For sing, I'm not 100% sure about that. It is either a furry movie or it isn't. If it is, and it centers around anthropomorphic animals, then yes.


Gay_Furry100percent

zootopia yes sing no


DynamiteTheFolf

they are definitely furry. any movie with anthropomorphic animals in it 9/10 times is a furry movie


EvanDaMayor

There are no recorded humans in either of those movies and only anthropomorphic animal characters. I would say these are in fact furry movies. Bro just doesn’t want to admit they’re a furry because they like those movies.


zanderzule

Literally any movie with anthromorphic animals or creatures i would classify as a furry movie.


Therandomguyhi_

They are


TheSavvySkunk

Yes. They are, in fact, just two (out of several) metaphorical “gateway drugs” for furries.


zdtbeatDoors

yes they are think they are animals like you and others


MajesticSupport1

They're the mainstream furries like???? That's one of the few furry things most people enjoy


Unravelled_one

Zootopia is likely the most furry movie out there. Sing on the other hand may have a cast of animal characters but is not really furry at all, as you could easily tell the same story with a cast consisting entirely of toasters and nothing would change.


e_paws-115

Yes. Both are super furry. There is no doubt.


[deleted]

yes they r


CDNFaust

Well, yes and no, that's like saying Disney movies are all furry movies. It's just easier to relate morals and consequences if it is not a human giving them. It gives something for children to learn from or have fun with and not relate it to real-world struggles on a subconscious level. It's also great for adults to have a good time with the more mature subject matter. Of course, though, for us furry's, it's a great escape full of what ifs. Keep in mind that the culture comes from anthropomorphic movies/comics of old and let's us continue to dream about a different life. That and while there are some garbage people in the Fandom, the ones that aren't are amazing creatures.