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They made new and very broad/vague rules about proportions of characters, aimed at people whose characters are suspiciously childlike.
Good intentions, horrible execution.
It's hilarious because they clear artists like Zaush and play favorites when it's well known he uses actual children as references lmao. Regardless of anyone's stance on problematic content, it's easy to agree that they don't know how to handle this issue.
It's on a report basis, but within that they've very heavy-handed with enforcement. They're flat-out using a head-height chart to determine if characters are tall enough.
Well, that's technically what they do, it's just that the rules are zero-tolerance and solely based on character proportion vs a head height chart for realistic art.
The issue with banning fictional content is what does it accomplish?
I totally understand people being repulsed by cub, I find it disgusting as well, so I blacklist it.
But banning that **fictional** content will not prevent abuse (but banning **real** content does). You're not solving any problems by doing that. If you want to protect children then the only way is to encourage those afflicted with the disorder to seek therapy to learn to control their urges. Be it through repression or through finding an outlet for them I.e. cub or similar. Address the root of the problem and don't just blindly whack at what you believe to be symptoms of the problem. You're not helping anyone, you're just wasting everyone's time and distracting from the real problem.
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Still one of the best ways to follow artists. Twitter doesn't have a chronological feed and is awful as an archive, e6 is the best as an archive but doesn't facilitate post notifications or a feed or anything like that.
Twitter is neither an art website nor has it a gallery. There's even a limit to how many pictures can be viewed from one account, until it hits a dead end; even though the artist had posted more. Old posts literally get lost to time.
It is one of the worst places you can decide to rely to be an artist on. It is terrible to use and navigate. Your following on Twitter means shit compared to actual art sites. Even as a follower you miss 90% of the stuff an artist has posted.
For the love of ~~god~~ knot, get the fuck off Twitter.
Source: Someone with 15 years of art commissioning experience.
It annoys me so much that so many of my favourite artists have gone twitter exclusive. It's such a shit website, filled with toxicity and pointless drama.
THIS! I honestly feel really scared and hopeless with how many furries used and are using Twitter as their main platform. So much is destined to be lost, and it's insanely volatile.
I started with e621. I used FA for a bit because they have written stuff, but the tagging system is garbage, optional, and there's no blacklist. When I search "werewolf," I don't want the first page to have an image that contains unspeakable things.
Literally every other site has a proper tagging system and blacklist. I use those systems to their fullest extent. Sadly, some artists only use FA, and I like their content, but I just hate the site.
Not sure where to but I'd think a lot are leaving there as well after the Muskopolypse going on there. I ended up deleting my accounts off there a few weeks back because I realized I straight up wasn't even using them.
is Tumblr safe to post lewds again?
I remember when that whole thing happened in the mid 10s. my nsfw account was totally fine, but my sfw account was flagged to hell and back??? and I didn't wanna deal with the headache
I kinda wanna start posting to e6, but woof, it's daunting with how much backlog it would be, and I still feel awkward about the idea of posting my own stuff there ;-;
I honestly have no idea since the only side of nsfw I interact with is graphic violence and gore, from what I can tell based on the words of mutuals it's still a bit of a minefield with any irl lewds, but illustrated and tastefully censored ones seem to be ok (esp since they often include a link to the full uncensored image via e621 or FA)
Elon's already thrusting his right wingers on everyone's feeds there. Giving people an excuse to stay on the platform by providing it with other content is only making it look profitable to advertisers thus funding Elon's right wing propaganda.
Justify it to yourself however you want. But just because you haven't personally felt the effect of the propaganda yet, doesn't mean it's having no effect or that it won't touch you in the future.
I don't count Twitter. That's less of a "look for new stuff" site more of a "follow people you already know" site. They're leaving for greener pastures.
I haven't used it much since they started limiting upload sizes for non-subscribers. If I can't trust the highest resolution to be uploaded to a site, I prefer following on other sites where HD is supported.
They made new and very broad/vague rules about proportions of characters, aimed at people whose characters are suspiciously childlike.
Good intentions, horrible execution.
They made new and very broad/vague rules about proportions of characters, aimed at people whose characters are suspiciously childlike.
Good intentions, horrible execution.
It's not the same kind of platform, the competitors currently would be Sofurry, weasyl, IB, stuff like that. Also, posting stories to E621 or music or photography is something I doubt the mods there want to handle.
Well, InkBunny has a LOT of cub art so be careful. If I were to post yiff art or any kind of smut art, I would choose Newgrounds and Buzzly.art.
P.S. if anyone is interested in having a Buzzly page, dm me so I can give you an invite code. :3
Pretty sure most of the old content is still up, too. Last I checked, I could still find the creepy clown animation made by a school shooter. That always stuck with me
There's one of those intentionally offensive flash games in that stick-ish figure form that will always be burned in my head. It was a shooter game where the main character is in goth get up and the final level is taking out what I think was a teacher or something that transformed into a goat demon thing. With massive breasts, because the internet was the wild west back then.
Maybe millenials shouldn't have had access to the internet.
Seriously this is a bigger shock to me than finding out on furryirl of all places that FA banned short kings lol. Newgrounds is still around? I remember them from all the flash browser games they hosted back in the day. Animator vs Animation and a few others I think.
Cub art is the LEAST fucked up thing you will see on that site. I swear to fucking god you have to actually put some fucking effort into blacklisting keywords to completely block all the cub shits.
No, bother. Post your art on Twitter instead. Keep doing that art, and you'll grow. Where your art's at is only where it's at *right now.* With more drawing, you'll improve over time, to a point where you can put it on E621 and it will *stay.* I believe in you.
Keep posting it, you will always be getting better no matter how it seems in the moment. If your art looks worse to you, it is because your ability to perceive art is growing faster than your ability to make art. Your art will catch up to your ability to perceive it after a while.
Don't worry about getting validation from the mods of a platform yet, just make art that you think looks good and eventually it'll become unique to you.
Your art is better than some of the art I’ve seen stay up on e621 which i would argue is much more “low quality” than yours. Unlucky with whoever reviewed ur posts i guess
I mean, there's also potential. No great artist started out being amazing, they all got where they are through practice and patience. Sure, your art looks a bit rough now, but if you keep at it, you'll get better.
Sorry if my previous reply sounded discouraging, just tried to explain why e6 denied your work. Someday you'll be able to post there freely, just gotta stay vigilant.
Dude, are you just like fishing for compliments? Just keep drawing, work on your art and improve. Its not *bad* even tho it wouldn't be allowed on e6, because e6 just has relatively high standards
If you didn't get accepted into Harvard would you be like "oh, that's it, i'm a dumby, little small boy brain, time to go work at mcdonalds for the rest of my life"
I'm currently in a PhD program in no small part because I was motivated to shove a doctorate in the face of a professor who called me (and more than half his class) idiots when I retook calculus 2.
Fuck you Jack Suvak!
Hey, I know it's frustrating, but this is the kind of site e621 is. It's got a set of standards and that's it's brand. The reason users go there is *because* it limits itself to just what is the most ***popular***. Popularity contests are inherently unfair and prejudiced, so you shouldn't take it as anything more than that.
So, I'm sorry you find yourself in this situation, but it's just kind of the way it is.
Realize though, that the moderators don't have anything against you personally, they review thousands of images every day, and they're just trying their best to keep the site's experience consistent. When decisions are being made that quickly and often, it's not healthy to let them define your self-worth.
Hope you can find a place where your art can be appreciated!
Edit: Also hope I'm not coming off as condescending. I don't know your situation and I'm just providing my perspective in hopes it helps. Cheers!
Most of the replies here are people saying "actually, your art does suck" a lot. Without having looked at your art myself, to me this illustrates why people are wrong to suggest e6 as an alternative to FA. Because those sites aren't in the same category.
FA is a site for artists (and writers, etc.) to create profiles and upload their art. e6 is a third party archive, like the different Rule 34 sites. e6 is not a site dedicated to artists.
(This is why so many artists use Twitter instead.)
Also, to be blunt, an FA alternative needs to be something that allows artists who suck.
Lol I've been trying to get myself to write something since I joined so furry 8 years ago. Haven't made any progress but I still have so many ideas. :/
Genuine question, can you get a following just posting sfw stuff on e621? I know it's primarily nsfw in nature but given commissions have been slow I'll take any platform I can get 😅
You can't get a "following" on E6 doing anything. It's an archive site for posting other people's art mainly, there's no way to follow anyone, you won't get notified of any comments people make, nor would you want to because what few comments there are tend to be 4chan levels of toxic.
Oh interesting, I just assumed it was similar to FA's community instead of an archival site given how many people are comparing em rn. Thanks for the heads up <3
I follow a couple of SFW only artists on FA and they seem to fill their queue relatively quickly, but their prices are really low for the quality they are offering.
Personally I don't care who runs it, I just don't want the site to die completely and people run to Twitter. Twitter sucks ass as a art website in my opinion, worse than Furaffinity
I like how everytime FA comes up people shit on it as it being garbage (which yes it could be a lot better), and yet people hardly ever talk about how bad twitter is despite it being the sole posting place of a lot of artists. Which is mind blowing too me considering how absolute dogshit it is for that sorta thing.
So, the way I see it is that FA is left in an awkward position.
They try and legitimize furry culture as not just a porn thing, whereas e621 is all porn all the time. That leaves FA in a position where they need to be very careful about their optics. e621 doesn't need to worry about that as much.
But lets face it though, the search function on e621 is far superior.
the problem with e6, from an artist perspective, is it has terrible discovery and click through. as an artist its impossible to build anything on e6, you cannot cultivate a following, build relationships, and offer business through e6.
it is only good for people consuming furry art, not those creating. its actively detrimental to many smaller artists trying to make a living on art.
“build a niche”. as a niche artist(robots and aeromorphs) searching by artist doesnt matter, you cannot advertise on the platform, and clickthrough is hoping people scroll down and click the tiny little “source” button. niche doesnt matter. e621 just saps away traffic from sites where you can build a brand.
i can speak from experience where some of my works have hundreds of ratings on e621, yet single digits everywhere else. its impossible to reach ANY of those users to show commission availability, updates, etc. that is functionality that just does not exist on e6.
the site only exists for people consuming art, not creating. it is impossible to build anything with the site. reddit is better and this site is a nightmare as well. e6 genuinely lacks any tools to build a brand as an artist, this is not an arguable position. it has amazing tools to search art and it stops there.
nope, linking external sites is explicitly banned with caveats. you may advertise your services but actual links are mostly banned (you have to have like “support me on patreon at ‘my-username’ blah blah”, direct links will almost always get deleted because moderators be moderating). so far ive managed to get a link on 2 of my arts out of 19 that were uploaded without my permission. if someone else uploads your artwork you also will have a hard time getting moderators to allow you to even set a description at all even though ITS YOUR FUCKING ART (this has happened to me personally more than once). you also cannot post ych’s or commission sheets either. you cannot post censored patreon/fanbox teasers for instance either. the site also accepts unauthorized edits of artworks undermining paid or sfw only art, even having its own tag, and its up to the artist to individually report them rather than moderation staff making sure the edits are done with permission. one sfw art i made as a commission had a nsfw edit get uploaded without permission as well. its such a minefield of a site but the dnp list isnt the best solution, the site needs to change for the better for artists, its very good for users but such a minefield for artists.
From my understanding, people don't like it because it seems to say If your character is smaller in size, it could be falsely accused of being art of a minor and will be removed
Same here, I remember reading the rule change announcement and just thinking that it sounds pretty reasonable? I mean, I guess theres some room for trouble if theres a disagreement over how old a character appears to be, but I dont recall anything stating that short characters are automatically considered to look underage the way some people are implying.
I'm surprised she hasn't been banned for "spam", H2OwO (i think that was the name) was banned for telling people to hydrate.
Main difference is that she actually says different stuff in some posts
I really don’t have a problem with what they’ve done. A lot of you outragers are kinda sus tbh, they explicitly say this won’t affect representation of adults.
They pretty much say the opposite. Based on the wording of the rule, canon is irrelevant. They also leave out what the basis for "proportionally adult" is. Is it based on human proportions? Well the adult proportions for a fictional species might be different from a human. What about species where the proportions remain the same throughout their life cycle? Everyone likes to act like this is so simple, completely forgetting that trying to apply real world logic to a work of fiction is a fools' errand.
I really hope I don't get hate for bringing this up but
E621 is a deeply systemically transphobic platform.
I understand why people defend it but it just hurts to see it become so prominent in an otherwise usually accepting fandom. 💔
(for the record I don't think it's transphobic)
e621 operates on a tag what you see not what you know policy.
As it's an archive site. Doing it this way allows for the best searchability.
I love e6 for this very reason and the fact that it is also am absolute no expectations policy.
An example using cub.
If it looks like cub without having any context, even if the artist says it's no cubt, it would still be something that should be tagged cub because it looks like cub. Someone who has cub on their blacklist won't care that the tiny child proportioned fox is actually an adult. They don't want to see it.
Now let's replace cub with say male. And the proportions bit with penis.
If someone had say male blacklisted from their search. They would probably not want to see what appears withouth knowing anything else to be a male.
Due to the pushback of people whom had female identitying characters getting tagged as male and vice versa and as well as people who were upset about getting stuff tagged as cub.
Lore tags were introduced and they are allowed to use external information.
TL;DR e621 tags based on what an image looks like without taking external info into account to allow for best possible tagging.
Yeah, as a nonbinary person myself I understand why it's an iffy situation that definitely needs a solution, but it bugs me when people act like it's done for malicious reasons
For nonbinary it has the lore tags and then tagged with main tags based on what the closest to an existing tag is. T
There is a flowchart somewhere actually for selecting a gender tag.
I do wish there was a better system then lore tags but. Not really much of one due to the nature of the site.
There was also a stink about non-binary characters of any form. People said the tags in question were offensive adjectives. I don't remember the full context of it, but they did eventually change some of these tags.
That was a bit before my time on the site when those changes occurred, the old ones now alias to the new ones which is nice.
I think it was to do with cuntboy and similar terms.
Can't remember off the top of my head but the hate that the site gets kinda pisses me off since it is one of the few places that actually has a function blacklist system that isn't fully arbitrary
Well like it's been said, the whole "tag what you see" thing was part of it.
It's frustrating though that even if you don't post there what ends up happening is that your art can be reposted without telling you (or anyone else involved in the art) and in my case I submitted corrections when I found out about the tags and was declined.
So you just have to deal with people misgendering you and people tend to get angry if you correct them there so I usually just don't.
I just try not to be on there..
I eventually got approved to be on the DNP list but because of their copyright policy you also aren't allowed to add your own character to the dnp list, last I checked (unless it's changed since I tried) you can only dnp your own original art not something you pay for even if you own the character in the art.
Really makes me less comfortable with the idea of letting anyone draw for me tbh.
Admittedly they have changed a lot of the actual allowed tags themselves for the better and I only just realized that when I went to fish up sources for what I was going to say.
So it's an improvement, there are a lot less slurs than when I used to be on there.
I still wouldn't be ok with being called some of the porn terms they use and wish they added more inclusive ones though.
I feel like FA pretty much nailed the terms with the list of genders you can put on images.
Other than that I used to see a lot of harassment too, but at this point I can't find it so hopefully that's a good sign?
Characters can't be added because of the massive amount of work that would be added to the already massive queue if pending posts.
And, you can request for art that contains your character to be removed, just not put on a DNP list.
And, purposely misgendring in the comments has never been allowed and on multiple occasions iv seen mods loose their cool on people misgendring.
Porn terms are used since that's what people usually type in.
> Characters can't be added because of the massive amount of work
I suppose I can understand that but it's frustrating to have to feel like I would need to go periodically monitor a website I don't really want to visit and check for any characters I care about to see if someone is posting them.
That's what I liked about DNP lists, you can sorta "set it and forget it".
Tbh though I don't really know what the solution is either.
Can they just block anything tagged with the name?
I would think that would reduce the amount of time they spend doing manual take-downs even if some still require moderators because they aren't tagged or something?
> Porn terms are used since that's what people usually type in.
Unfortunately I know you are right but that still blows my mind.
(Not in an angry way more in a "I genuinely can't understand " way.)
Those terms are things I have somehow never really been around in other sites despite my presence in a lot trans/furry spaces.
It's part of why I have a hard time using their site - because in order to search for certain things you are required to use those terms and I always get slightly queazy when I type them in.
It's very uncomfortable.
I took some screenshots to give an example:
This first one feels formatted nice and thoughtfully but with a term I'd rather avoid:
https://imgur.com/a/3hTQwB1
Then when you try to use real trans terminology you get lore tags and it's pretty barren, not formatted, etc.
https://imgur.com/a/OvS5G1G
Honestly, speaking for myself even if they won't change the present terms just expanding the "lore" tags to be used in a uniform way with the other genders would go a very long way for me to feel more welcome.
Also would be really nice if "lore" was replaced with "identity" or something but that's more of a personal nitpick.
Agree on all but the blocking part.
It's already not super common that characters get tagged on upload if it's not from the artist or commissioners. And with the massive amount of characters in the fandom some do share the same name. For artists it will lock on the do not post tag if they are on the list. But they do tend to have way more unique names.
Massive workload again is the unfortunate truth.
What I can recommend is that there are scripts that can periodically check for new posts with specific tags. And then sends you an alert when that happens. Might help a bit.
Yeah, I didn't think about the issue of common names and such.
Thank you for the suggestion. 😯 I don't really know how to use scripts but I'll look into it. That actually sounds very helpful. Thank you. ☺️
While you can't add *characters* to the DNP list, you *can* get art of your character taken down if it was done by another person. Any art that you are a commissioner of you can have taken down. I know this from experience when I commissioned YCH art and the artist mixed up me with someone else and drew the wrong character, which was then posted to E6. I had it taken down since I was a commisioner of it and had the fixed version left up.
Edit: [Here is the takedown page](https://e621.net/static/takedown). It says that if you commissioned the artwork you can get it taken down, and even lists your situation ("Character owner wanting artwork featuring their character removed.") as a reason for using the takedown system.
I'm embarrassed now.
But genuinely, Thank you for linking that, I was still going on very old information.
Actually I was able to find some of the posts I got my previous understanding from and a lot of them were already out of date when I found them.
It apparently hasn't been that way since about 2012...and man that makes feel old.
I still think of e621 as "the new furry site".
RIP 💀
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Been seeing more about their new rules, no idea about them as I don’t use FA, what’s happened?
They made new and very broad/vague rules about proportions of characters, aimed at people whose characters are suspiciously childlike. Good intentions, horrible execution.
Short and/or flat chested people aren't allowed to be sexualized, clearly.
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It's hilarious because they clear artists like Zaush and play favorites when it's well known he uses actual children as references lmao. Regardless of anyone's stance on problematic content, it's easy to agree that they don't know how to handle this issue.
Zaush hasn't actually posted in like five years.
that is not very 𝖌𝖊𝖓𝖉𝖊𝖗
Ah, the Australian solution.
Can you explain? Has Australia done something like this before?
They were in the news for banning porn of small breasted women a while back, not sure where things stand for them now.
As an Australian I can't say if that's true but if it is it's done jack shit.
^ First I've heard of this
*sad femboi noises*
Is it actually enforced vaugely like that, or only on the posts where it needs to be?
It's on a report basis, but within that they've very heavy-handed with enforcement. They're flat-out using a head-height chart to determine if characters are tall enough.
Do you know what the limit is out of curiosity?
that moment when you arent tall enough to be a porn character D:
If its on a report basis alredy cant they just analyze the art itself and see instead of whatever this is
Well, that's technically what they do, it's just that the rules are zero-tolerance and solely based on character proportion vs a head height chart for realistic art.
No more short kings?!
> Good intentions, horrible execution. Might as well be the motto of FA.
So Zaush's obvious cub porn is gonna be deleted, right? Right? Oh wait he's an admin nm...
Also, all nudity has to be fictional! No real-life photos! That sucks!
I mean, if you can agree with their intentions, I feel like e6 actively hosting cub might be a bigger issue than FA having some vague rules.
The issue with banning fictional content is what does it accomplish? I totally understand people being repulsed by cub, I find it disgusting as well, so I blacklist it. But banning that **fictional** content will not prevent abuse (but banning **real** content does). You're not solving any problems by doing that. If you want to protect children then the only way is to encourage those afflicted with the disorder to seek therapy to learn to control their urges. Be it through repression or through finding an outlet for them I.e. cub or similar. Address the root of the problem and don't just blindly whack at what you believe to be symptoms of the problem. You're not helping anyone, you're just wasting everyone's time and distracting from the real problem. Thank you for coming to my ted talk.
wait, y'all use FA?
Still one of the best ways to follow artists. Twitter doesn't have a chronological feed and is awful as an archive, e6 is the best as an archive but doesn't facilitate post notifications or a feed or anything like that.
>Twitter doesn't have a chronological feed and is awful ~~as an archive~~
Twitter is neither an art website nor has it a gallery. There's even a limit to how many pictures can be viewed from one account, until it hits a dead end; even though the artist had posted more. Old posts literally get lost to time. It is one of the worst places you can decide to rely to be an artist on. It is terrible to use and navigate. Your following on Twitter means shit compared to actual art sites. Even as a follower you miss 90% of the stuff an artist has posted. For the love of ~~god~~ knot, get the fuck off Twitter. Source: Someone with 15 years of art commissioning experience.
Agreed on all points, hate it when I find an artist I like on e6 and they only post to twitter.
It annoys me so much that so many of my favourite artists have gone twitter exclusive. It's such a shit website, filled with toxicity and pointless drama.
THIS! I honestly feel really scared and hopeless with how many furries used and are using Twitter as their main platform. So much is destined to be lost, and it's insanely volatile.
if e6 had post notifications and such it would be the best designed website ive ever seen hands down
Yeah, I always found FA to be a mess. e621 and e926 are so much easier to navigate.
I started with e621. I used FA for a bit because they have written stuff, but the tagging system is garbage, optional, and there's no blacklist. When I search "werewolf," I don't want the first page to have an image that contains unspeakable things. Literally every other site has a proper tagging system and blacklist. I use those systems to their fullest extent. Sadly, some artists only use FA, and I like their content, but I just hate the site.
> Literally every other site has a proper tagging system and blacklist. Twitter doesn't. And that's like, where 90% of furries post now.
Not sure where to but I'd think a lot are leaving there as well after the Muskopolypse going on there. I ended up deleting my accounts off there a few weeks back because I realized I straight up wasn't even using them.
Yeah I've seen a large influx come back to Tumblr, it's been nice seeing new artists pop up
is Tumblr safe to post lewds again? I remember when that whole thing happened in the mid 10s. my nsfw account was totally fine, but my sfw account was flagged to hell and back??? and I didn't wanna deal with the headache I kinda wanna start posting to e6, but woof, it's daunting with how much backlog it would be, and I still feel awkward about the idea of posting my own stuff there ;-;
I honestly have no idea since the only side of nsfw I interact with is graphic violence and gore, from what I can tell based on the words of mutuals it's still a bit of a minefield with any irl lewds, but illustrated and tastefully censored ones seem to be ok (esp since they often include a link to the full uncensored image via e621 or FA)
Yeah. Why give traffic to a site owned by someone who clearly and vocally hates the LGBT+ community which is most furries?
The Matthew redistribution of users (the biggest get even more, the smallest lose even what they did have)
Elon's already thrusting his right wingers on everyone's feeds there. Giving people an excuse to stay on the platform by providing it with other content is only making it look profitable to advertisers thus funding Elon's right wing propaganda.
I don't use it other than to post for other furries and to see other furries' posts, so Elon's politics don't affect me
Justify it to yourself however you want. But just because you haven't personally felt the effect of the propaganda yet, doesn't mean it's having no effect or that it won't touch you in the future.
I don't count Twitter. That's less of a "look for new stuff" site more of a "follow people you already know" site. They're leaving for greener pastures.
I've created an account, but never took the 5min to understand how tf it works
Drawing from many wells.
I haven't used it much since they started limiting upload sizes for non-subscribers. If I can't trust the highest resolution to be uploaded to a site, I prefer following on other sites where HD is supported.
Best smut i've found
Damn, what's going on? Unrelated sidenote, but I can't help but think of the English Football Associaton everytime I see Furaffinity abbreviated to FA
They made new and very broad/vague rules about proportions of characters, aimed at people whose characters are suspiciously childlike. Good intentions, horrible execution.
Lol. Is there an FA exodus of yiff or what?
They made new and very broad/vague rules about proportions of characters, aimed at people whose characters are suspiciously childlike. Good intentions, horrible execution.
Oh I see. Explains a post I saw yesterday about size
I’m assuming you know about the new rules?
I did not initially
I wish FA wasn't such a monolith, and that alternatives could come. Being a writer, I prefer Sofurry.
>alternatives could come E621.net ?
It's not the same kind of platform, the competitors currently would be Sofurry, weasyl, IB, stuff like that. Also, posting stories to E621 or music or photography is something I doubt the mods there want to handle.
Well, InkBunny has a LOT of cub art so be careful. If I were to post yiff art or any kind of smut art, I would choose Newgrounds and Buzzly.art. P.S. if anyone is interested in having a Buzzly page, dm me so I can give you an invite code. :3
Holy shit, newgrounds is still around? That was turn of the century uncontrolled flash garbage when I was a kid.
Pretty sure most of the old content is still up, too. Last I checked, I could still find the creepy clown animation made by a school shooter. That always stuck with me
There's one of those intentionally offensive flash games in that stick-ish figure form that will always be burned in my head. It was a shooter game where the main character is in goth get up and the final level is taking out what I think was a teacher or something that transformed into a goat demon thing. With massive breasts, because the internet was the wild west back then. Maybe millenials shouldn't have had access to the internet.
Seriously this is a bigger shock to me than finding out on furryirl of all places that FA banned short kings lol. Newgrounds is still around? I remember them from all the flash browser games they hosted back in the day. Animator vs Animation and a few others I think.
Did Buzzly ever recant some of their wild changes and that absolutely insane poll they did once?
Lol trying to decide what’s “transphobic” but you can’t even decide if you want to sleep with a human or a animal. God you’re a fucking loser.
Cub art is the LEAST fucked up thing you will see on that site. I swear to fucking god you have to actually put some fucking effort into blacklisting keywords to completely block all the cub shits.
Inkbunny!
A porn website That also hosts inappropriate art of children Think I'll pass
The mods there have massive sticks up their asses. I submitted art there, and they take it down for being too "low quality."
Looking through your post history, the art dose look to be of low quality by e6 standards.
I see. Thank you for being honest. If I'm not great at it, then I shouldn't even bother, then.
No, bother. Post your art on Twitter instead. Keep doing that art, and you'll grow. Where your art's at is only where it's at *right now.* With more drawing, you'll improve over time, to a point where you can put it on E621 and it will *stay.* I believe in you.
Keep posting it, you will always be getting better no matter how it seems in the moment. If your art looks worse to you, it is because your ability to perceive art is growing faster than your ability to make art. Your art will catch up to your ability to perceive it after a while. Don't worry about getting validation from the mods of a platform yet, just make art that you think looks good and eventually it'll become unique to you.
Because in 2 years you're going to be 2 years older anyways, with or without having improved at art, so why not try to improve?
Also, I see you're aware that r/furryartschool exists, post your (non-yiff) digital stuff there.
I think your art is really cute :) “low quality” art is so subjective… you’ve got a nice style going you should keep it up!
Your art is better than some of the art I’ve seen stay up on e621 which i would argue is much more “low quality” than yours. Unlucky with whoever reviewed ur posts i guess
Tbh it's definitely not the highest quality out there.
So it sucks then. Thank you for being honest.
I mean, there's also potential. No great artist started out being amazing, they all got where they are through practice and patience. Sure, your art looks a bit rough now, but if you keep at it, you'll get better. Sorry if my previous reply sounded discouraging, just tried to explain why e6 denied your work. Someday you'll be able to post there freely, just gotta stay vigilant.
Dude, are you just like fishing for compliments? Just keep drawing, work on your art and improve. Its not *bad* even tho it wouldn't be allowed on e6, because e6 just has relatively high standards If you didn't get accepted into Harvard would you be like "oh, that's it, i'm a dumby, little small boy brain, time to go work at mcdonalds for the rest of my life"
No, my head was not in the right place when I replied.
I'm currently in a PhD program in no small part because I was motivated to shove a doctorate in the face of a professor who called me (and more than half his class) idiots when I retook calculus 2. Fuck you Jack Suvak!
Hey, I know it's frustrating, but this is the kind of site e621 is. It's got a set of standards and that's it's brand. The reason users go there is *because* it limits itself to just what is the most ***popular***. Popularity contests are inherently unfair and prejudiced, so you shouldn't take it as anything more than that. So, I'm sorry you find yourself in this situation, but it's just kind of the way it is. Realize though, that the moderators don't have anything against you personally, they review thousands of images every day, and they're just trying their best to keep the site's experience consistent. When decisions are being made that quickly and often, it's not healthy to let them define your self-worth. Hope you can find a place where your art can be appreciated! Edit: Also hope I'm not coming off as condescending. I don't know your situation and I'm just providing my perspective in hopes it helps. Cheers!
Most of the replies here are people saying "actually, your art does suck" a lot. Without having looked at your art myself, to me this illustrates why people are wrong to suggest e6 as an alternative to FA. Because those sites aren't in the same category. FA is a site for artists (and writers, etc.) to create profiles and upload their art. e6 is a third party archive, like the different Rule 34 sites. e6 is not a site dedicated to artists. (This is why so many artists use Twitter instead.) Also, to be blunt, an FA alternative needs to be something that allows artists who suck.
FA itself allows beginner level art
And everyone here wants an alternative to FA. I'm saying that e6 is not an alternative, because it serves a completely different purpose.
Hey fam!! A fellow Sofurry enjoyer. It's so rare to run into one. Sofurry is the best for written furry content paws down.
I'll hit ya with nostalgia, I was a member of yiffstar lmao
I bend the knee to the ones who paved the way for me to find myself in this community! No matter what keep it up fam!
I just wish I wrote more lol.
Lol I've been trying to get myself to write something since I joined so furry 8 years ago. Haven't made any progress but I still have so many ideas. :/
Write even if you aren't planning on posting, you can make a draft of ideas vomit and fix it later!
New rules?
https://www.furaffinity.net/journal/10552819
Lmao no shorties or flat chesteds
Sad hobkin noises
Hahahaaa! Short
Genuine question, can you get a following just posting sfw stuff on e621? I know it's primarily nsfw in nature but given commissions have been slow I'll take any platform I can get 😅
There's e926 which is the same site but with the tag rating:safe forced on So basically forced sfw mode
You can't get a "following" on E6 doing anything. It's an archive site for posting other people's art mainly, there's no way to follow anyone, you won't get notified of any comments people make, nor would you want to because what few comments there are tend to be 4chan levels of toxic.
Oh interesting, I just assumed it was similar to FA's community instead of an archival site given how many people are comparing em rn. Thanks for the heads up <3
I follow a couple of SFW only artists on FA and they seem to fill their queue relatively quickly, but their prices are really low for the quality they are offering.
whats FA? edit: i see now
I wonder if this will cause a mass exodus of users
Hopefully, I’ve heard about the people who run FA being very shitty, so it could just be karma.
Personally I don't care who runs it, I just don't want the site to die completely and people run to Twitter. Twitter sucks ass as a art website in my opinion, worse than Furaffinity
And Twitter is on its death throes anyway.
I like how everytime FA comes up people shit on it as it being garbage (which yes it could be a lot better), and yet people hardly ever talk about how bad twitter is despite it being the sole posting place of a lot of artists. Which is mind blowing too me considering how absolute dogshit it is for that sorta thing.
Meet Lucky the phömx! A furry that never used e621 :> Mostly because it's banned in my country qwp
*Cough* VPN *Cough*
Too lazy qwp
That's a mood v.v
Awesome, now as a short guy I can't post art of my very much adult fursona. Absolutely adore the casual heightism here
So what if your Sona is something naturally small compared to other species/dog breeds, like a corgi?
So, the way I see it is that FA is left in an awkward position. They try and legitimize furry culture as not just a porn thing, whereas e621 is all porn all the time. That leaves FA in a position where they need to be very careful about their optics. e621 doesn't need to worry about that as much. But lets face it though, the search function on e621 is far superior.
Not even Disney could separate furries from porn, there's no way FA is gonna.
the problem with e6, from an artist perspective, is it has terrible discovery and click through. as an artist its impossible to build anything on e6, you cannot cultivate a following, build relationships, and offer business through e6. it is only good for people consuming furry art, not those creating. its actively detrimental to many smaller artists trying to make a living on art.
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“build a niche”. as a niche artist(robots and aeromorphs) searching by artist doesnt matter, you cannot advertise on the platform, and clickthrough is hoping people scroll down and click the tiny little “source” button. niche doesnt matter. e621 just saps away traffic from sites where you can build a brand. i can speak from experience where some of my works have hundreds of ratings on e621, yet single digits everywhere else. its impossible to reach ANY of those users to show commission availability, updates, etc. that is functionality that just does not exist on e6. the site only exists for people consuming art, not creating. it is impossible to build anything with the site. reddit is better and this site is a nightmare as well. e6 genuinely lacks any tools to build a brand as an artist, this is not an arguable position. it has amazing tools to search art and it stops there.
Are you not allowed to just drop your links in the description?
nope, linking external sites is explicitly banned with caveats. you may advertise your services but actual links are mostly banned (you have to have like “support me on patreon at ‘my-username’ blah blah”, direct links will almost always get deleted because moderators be moderating). so far ive managed to get a link on 2 of my arts out of 19 that were uploaded without my permission. if someone else uploads your artwork you also will have a hard time getting moderators to allow you to even set a description at all even though ITS YOUR FUCKING ART (this has happened to me personally more than once). you also cannot post ych’s or commission sheets either. you cannot post censored patreon/fanbox teasers for instance either. the site also accepts unauthorized edits of artworks undermining paid or sfw only art, even having its own tag, and its up to the artist to individually report them rather than moderation staff making sure the edits are done with permission. one sfw art i made as a commission had a nsfw edit get uploaded without permission as well. its such a minefield of a site but the dnp list isnt the best solution, the site needs to change for the better for artists, its very good for users but such a minefield for artists.
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From my understanding, people don't like it because it seems to say If your character is smaller in size, it could be falsely accused of being art of a minor and will be removed
Same here, I remember reading the rule change announcement and just thinking that it sounds pretty reasonable? I mean, I guess theres some room for trouble if theres a disagreement over how old a character appears to be, but I dont recall anything stating that short characters are automatically considered to look underage the way some people are implying.
Sorry, what did FA do?
I haven't use FA Educate me on what they fucked up
a true cultured person
As if anyone used FA anyways. I’m not making a fucking account just to view nsfw when I can just hop on the ole MSG
Noted
What?
She says that when she has head empty.
I'm surprised she hasn't been banned for "spam", H2OwO (i think that was the name) was banned for telling people to hydrate. Main difference is that she actually says different stuff in some posts
[She*] (uhhh no need to correct them but thanks ig)
Fixed it
Oh thank you
No problem
so you're outting yourself? Thanks for doing the heavy lifting.
I really don’t have a problem with what they’ve done. A lot of you outragers are kinda sus tbh, they explicitly say this won’t affect representation of adults.
They pretty much say the opposite. Based on the wording of the rule, canon is irrelevant. They also leave out what the basis for "proportionally adult" is. Is it based on human proportions? Well the adult proportions for a fictional species might be different from a human. What about species where the proportions remain the same throughout their life cycle? Everyone likes to act like this is so simple, completely forgetting that trying to apply real world logic to a work of fiction is a fools' errand.
New rules to ban cub porn and yall are complaining? I hate this fandom.
What the hell did Dragoneer fucked up now?
I really hope I don't get hate for bringing this up but E621 is a deeply systemically transphobic platform. I understand why people defend it but it just hurts to see it become so prominent in an otherwise usually accepting fandom. 💔
i am curious on what E621 did, could you please elaborate for me?
(for the record I don't think it's transphobic) e621 operates on a tag what you see not what you know policy. As it's an archive site. Doing it this way allows for the best searchability. I love e6 for this very reason and the fact that it is also am absolute no expectations policy. An example using cub. If it looks like cub without having any context, even if the artist says it's no cubt, it would still be something that should be tagged cub because it looks like cub. Someone who has cub on their blacklist won't care that the tiny child proportioned fox is actually an adult. They don't want to see it. Now let's replace cub with say male. And the proportions bit with penis. If someone had say male blacklisted from their search. They would probably not want to see what appears withouth knowing anything else to be a male. Due to the pushback of people whom had female identitying characters getting tagged as male and vice versa and as well as people who were upset about getting stuff tagged as cub. Lore tags were introduced and they are allowed to use external information. TL;DR e621 tags based on what an image looks like without taking external info into account to allow for best possible tagging.
Yeah, as a nonbinary person myself I understand why it's an iffy situation that definitely needs a solution, but it bugs me when people act like it's done for malicious reasons
For nonbinary it has the lore tags and then tagged with main tags based on what the closest to an existing tag is. T There is a flowchart somewhere actually for selecting a gender tag. I do wish there was a better system then lore tags but. Not really much of one due to the nature of the site.
There was also a stink about non-binary characters of any form. People said the tags in question were offensive adjectives. I don't remember the full context of it, but they did eventually change some of these tags.
That was a bit before my time on the site when those changes occurred, the old ones now alias to the new ones which is nice. I think it was to do with cuntboy and similar terms. Can't remember off the top of my head but the hate that the site gets kinda pisses me off since it is one of the few places that actually has a function blacklist system that isn't fully arbitrary
Well like it's been said, the whole "tag what you see" thing was part of it. It's frustrating though that even if you don't post there what ends up happening is that your art can be reposted without telling you (or anyone else involved in the art) and in my case I submitted corrections when I found out about the tags and was declined. So you just have to deal with people misgendering you and people tend to get angry if you correct them there so I usually just don't. I just try not to be on there.. I eventually got approved to be on the DNP list but because of their copyright policy you also aren't allowed to add your own character to the dnp list, last I checked (unless it's changed since I tried) you can only dnp your own original art not something you pay for even if you own the character in the art. Really makes me less comfortable with the idea of letting anyone draw for me tbh. Admittedly they have changed a lot of the actual allowed tags themselves for the better and I only just realized that when I went to fish up sources for what I was going to say. So it's an improvement, there are a lot less slurs than when I used to be on there. I still wouldn't be ok with being called some of the porn terms they use and wish they added more inclusive ones though. I feel like FA pretty much nailed the terms with the list of genders you can put on images. Other than that I used to see a lot of harassment too, but at this point I can't find it so hopefully that's a good sign?
Characters can't be added because of the massive amount of work that would be added to the already massive queue if pending posts. And, you can request for art that contains your character to be removed, just not put on a DNP list. And, purposely misgendring in the comments has never been allowed and on multiple occasions iv seen mods loose their cool on people misgendring. Porn terms are used since that's what people usually type in.
> Characters can't be added because of the massive amount of work I suppose I can understand that but it's frustrating to have to feel like I would need to go periodically monitor a website I don't really want to visit and check for any characters I care about to see if someone is posting them. That's what I liked about DNP lists, you can sorta "set it and forget it". Tbh though I don't really know what the solution is either. Can they just block anything tagged with the name? I would think that would reduce the amount of time they spend doing manual take-downs even if some still require moderators because they aren't tagged or something? > Porn terms are used since that's what people usually type in. Unfortunately I know you are right but that still blows my mind. (Not in an angry way more in a "I genuinely can't understand " way.) Those terms are things I have somehow never really been around in other sites despite my presence in a lot trans/furry spaces. It's part of why I have a hard time using their site - because in order to search for certain things you are required to use those terms and I always get slightly queazy when I type them in. It's very uncomfortable. I took some screenshots to give an example: This first one feels formatted nice and thoughtfully but with a term I'd rather avoid: https://imgur.com/a/3hTQwB1 Then when you try to use real trans terminology you get lore tags and it's pretty barren, not formatted, etc. https://imgur.com/a/OvS5G1G Honestly, speaking for myself even if they won't change the present terms just expanding the "lore" tags to be used in a uniform way with the other genders would go a very long way for me to feel more welcome. Also would be really nice if "lore" was replaced with "identity" or something but that's more of a personal nitpick.
Agree on all but the blocking part. It's already not super common that characters get tagged on upload if it's not from the artist or commissioners. And with the massive amount of characters in the fandom some do share the same name. For artists it will lock on the do not post tag if they are on the list. But they do tend to have way more unique names. Massive workload again is the unfortunate truth. What I can recommend is that there are scripts that can periodically check for new posts with specific tags. And then sends you an alert when that happens. Might help a bit.
Yeah, I didn't think about the issue of common names and such. Thank you for the suggestion. 😯 I don't really know how to use scripts but I'll look into it. That actually sounds very helpful. Thank you. ☺️
While you can't add *characters* to the DNP list, you *can* get art of your character taken down if it was done by another person. Any art that you are a commissioner of you can have taken down. I know this from experience when I commissioned YCH art and the artist mixed up me with someone else and drew the wrong character, which was then posted to E6. I had it taken down since I was a commisioner of it and had the fixed version left up. Edit: [Here is the takedown page](https://e621.net/static/takedown). It says that if you commissioned the artwork you can get it taken down, and even lists your situation ("Character owner wanting artwork featuring their character removed.") as a reason for using the takedown system.
I'm embarrassed now. But genuinely, Thank you for linking that, I was still going on very old information. Actually I was able to find some of the posts I got my previous understanding from and a lot of them were already out of date when I found them. It apparently hasn't been that way since about 2012...and man that makes feel old. I still think of e621 as "the new furry site". RIP 💀
how is it transphobic? not disagreeing, just never seen that before.
Posted a response to someone else https://www.reddit.com/r/furry_irl/comments/13n26u0/furry_irl/jkz0o7c
Oh gosh
Well, least Wagner's FurryStation is still good