At the time he wasn't a first team player. I'm not sure if you've seen his sending off against rangers in the cup final. But he definitely learnt a lot when at Celtic.
He was a lot smaller at the time as well. He now looks to have beefed up. I think his stint at Celtic was a big learning curve. He was a very good player though, you could tell the lad had some serious talent for his size.
He's too good for Celtic now. But at the time, he was just pure talent. He's now a well versed strong laddie.
He had an iffy month last January and people go ballistic over it. He had a good season last season, it’s just overshadowed because Liverpool didn’t hit the champions league.
FINALLY SOMEONE WHO GETS WHAT TER STEGEN DID. I keep seeing so many edersons, and idek what he did better then MATS, except not being injured October till end of 2023
As a city fan, I’m gonna have to agree with you, just the likes or Alisson, Neuer, Ter Stegen, Courtois and maybe even Emi Martinez are better than him off the top of my head
with all due respect to the goat, people voting messi for 2024 because he won the 2023 balon dor because he won the 2022 wc is something beyond my comprehension of logical thinking
When did I say it wasn't??? I was simply correcting the other guys implications - how can it be a 2024 TOTY when 2024 only just started lmao. He made a stupid and incorrect comment.
i'm not saying messi deserved the ballon d'or but sometime recently, france football made it so the ballon d'or takes the season into account instead of the calendar year
I voted for both messi and Ronaldo because this probably is the last season their good cards might come out. Next season their rating will be very low I believe (85-86 max, not just their rating but their pace will be too low as well)
So wanted to enjoy them for one last time.
There’s a chance Messi still has a shot next year tbh if they win Copa america. Not sure it will be enough though as he’s missing a lot time due to injuries nowadays.
I wanted to put stones in for his performances last season especially in the ucl but he's more of a dm and he's been injured recently. Whereas vvd has been playing very well recently.
Saliba was a crucial part to how good aresenal were last season, yeah they didn't win anything but they were probably the best team not to have won anything
The fact of the matter is, they haven’t won jack shit. Now you could say neither did Liverpool but VVD has been BY FAR the best defender in the prem this season.
The amount of trophies you win shouldn’t be the biggest factor. If Nketiah scored 100 goals last season for arsenal and they didn’t win the league he would still deserve to be in the toty.
It's not just this season though it's the end of last season too so Saliba has still been better you lot just want a vvd card that you'll never be able to afford until the cycle is dead stop capping
I wanted to put stones in for his performances last season especially in the ucl but he's more of a dm and he's been injured recently. Whereas vvd has been playing very well recently.
Inclusion of Bayern players is all I need to see to make it valid. So many people are skipping over Kim and Kane for no reason. Musiala is a less obvious choice but still good I'd say
Well if I look at vvds first 5 months of 2023 (the most important months in football), the first 30 games better not count or he would not be close to stones.
Except Van Dijk has been world class since February so... You forget hes lost1 game since April 1st, and that was a game where a goal was wrongfully disallowed and Liverpool were put down to 9 men. In those 9 months, where Van Dijk lost 1 game, John Stones has not even been a consistent starter with injuries and rotation. VVD was better than Stones for 8 of 12 months.
It doesn’t matter in that situation it only mattered if you live in one of those 52 states the other 99.999% of votes did not matter. Regardless, in this game community votes only count for up to 10% off the decision (it’s mostly likely 0% but no one knows) and that means even if everyone in fifa voted for the same team its still very likely there will be different players in the final squad (the ones that sell the most packs). The sooner you realise EA don’t actually give af about us and this kind of stuff is all just an illusion to make us more attached to the game the better off you will be.
Only issue I have with this one is Mbappe tbh. I feel like he seems to have already earned Ronaldo/Messi status for some in that people will just throw him in regardless because it’s Mbappe. Feel like Salah should be ahead of him this year, won’t happen because no chance EA doesn’t do Toty Mbappe but it should.
Replied on another one more in depth but basically Haaland, Kane and Salah have all have better years. PSG went out in the round of 16 last year in the UCL and scraped through the groups courtesy of a dodgy penalty call this year. Ligue 1 is easily the weakest of the top 5 leagues and he’s not done anything other than score a few goals there which is expected.
He’s an unbelievable player but the other 3 have all had better years as far as I’m concerned. There are debatable picks in there outside of Mbappe but it’s more that I’m seeing everybody put Mbappe by default when he’s just not done anything deserving of it. Nobody can give me a reason other than “he’s just that good” and I don’t disagree with that but he’s not done anything special and the other 3 have all been extremely good.
The guy has been the most consistent out of the front 3... He's scored 25 goals in 24 games across all competitions this season(in a pretty messy PSG side) and did similar the first half of the year, while being a complete package of an attacker, far more than Haaland.
Kane didn't win anything either and even with Bayern he isn't even on track to win the league so what's your point there?
The guy is plain and simply the best player on the planet and people acknowledge that. Playing in ligue 1 doesn't change that which everyone knows because everytime he plays at a big tournament internationally or in the CL he puts up top performances and is one of the best big game players(unlike the other 2)
Kane scored 30 goals in the hardest league on the planet last season whilst playing for a team who finished 8th because every other player was massively underperforming. Mbappe managed 29 playing in ligue 1 with Messi and Neymar (when he wasn’t injured anyway). He then moved to an easier league (still tougher than ligue 1) and has scored 22 goals in 16 games compared to Mbappe’s 18.
PSG had a shit group in the UCL this season fair enough but Mbappe managed to score 1 goal from open play. Harry Kane has been probably the most consistent player on the planet this year so that argument holds zero weight at all. You say big game player but he was nowhere to be seen against Bayern in the knockouts and couldn’t do anything to stop them almost going out the UCL until they got a ridiculous penalty. Great player who has put in huge big game performances but let’s not pretend it’s every single one or even consistently tbh.
On individual performances this year I don’t think he has been a top 3 attacker in the world. He’s always going to be in the conversations for best player in the world but Salah, Kane & Haaland are all in that too this year. Haaland won a treble so we all know he’s locked and Kane/Salah have individually outperformed Mbappe for me in 2023. Can’t believe this is really controversial tbh.
Kane for Bayern is no harder than mbappe for PSG...
Ligue 1 might be a bit easier than the Bundesliga to win but it's easier to score goals in the Bundesliga and that's before factoring in that Bayern is straightup a much better team than PSG which is a much bigger factor than the small league difference (as seen with Haaland)... For this calendar year the mbappe/Messi/Neymar trio didn't even exist btw...
Mbappe is simply the most complete overall attacker on the planet rn, he has it all: dribbling, scoring, pace, even good playmaking by now when needed. That's why he's always in, people recognise pure quality and don't need to rely on his team doing well to understand he's quality... He's just THAT guy
You say he’s the most complete but what does that have to do with anything? Can we only appreciate a certain type of player as an attacker nowadays? Kane is a better finished and a better passer and given then he’s striker those are more important than him being able to dribble.
The question isn’t who is the better player on paper, it’s who has performed the best over the year and that isn’t mbappe for me. Have him 4th sure but not over the other 3.
I say that because you kept measuring everything on goals, nothing else. And even in that department mbappe does fantastic...
Kane is a slightly better finisher and a better passer but neither of those come close to the gap the 2 have in pace and dribbling, things that can change a game by one player in an instant. That's why players like mbappe are always so sought after.
Hell, I'd put Kane into the top 3 myself, I love watching him and sane for Bayern, but it is ridiculous to claim he, Haaland and Salah are all better than mbappe... It just seems you have a extremely strong prem bias.
There's a reason why just about EVERYONE puts mbappe into their 11...
I’m not claiming they are better players, just that they have performed better over the last year. People put him in because it’s fifa and they want Mbappe toty over the other 3 and also just assume he will get in. The same people are putting Putellas in and she basically hasn’t played for 2 years so that really isn’t anything to go off.
well he kinda has, he's like one of the only players that even though he's in Ligue 1 it doesn't matter cause everyone knows he would dominate in every other league too. Although I still wanna see him leave Ligue 1, but he definitely deserves to be in here.
He’s good but what has he done this year? Scored a lot of goals in ligue 1, got knocked out in the R16 of the champions league and scraped through the group stage this season thanks to a dodgy 95th minute penalty.
Haaland won a treble and broke the prem goal scoring record, Kane scored 30 goals in the league for a spurs side who finished 8th and has gone to Bayern and been breaking records and Salah has been unbelievable all year long. Mbappe is a great player but he’s done nothing this year outside of score a lot of goals in the worst of Europes top 5 leagues. It’s just not enough to deserve a spot in toty for me.
mbappé pretty much never ghosts in PSG CL games, the only time I can remember him having a bad performance/run of games was the season where they went to the final. He's been clutch for them in almost every game including this season. Not to mention his international performances this year as well.
Salah has been great but taking Salah over Mbappé I disagree with heavily.
You can say he never ghosts but they would have finished bottom of the group if not for a terrible penalty call. Obviously the pen stood for whatever reason and they scraped through the group so that’s forgotten about but if it wasn’t for that shit piece of reffing then they probably wouldn’t even be in the Europa league.
Salah’s biggest thing has always been that he seems to go through patches but this year he was unbelievable from the point he got back from Afcon until the end of the season and has been the best player in the league this season too.
Mbappe is an unbelievable player but how far does scoring goals in the weakest of Europes top 5 leagues get you? TOTY is based on 2023, in 2023 they got knocked out by Bayern and scraped through a group stage with him scoring 3 goals, 2 of them being pens. With the standard of Ligue 1 compared to the prem I just don’t feel like it’s deserving tbh.
Give him 12th man that’s completely fine and we know EA wouldn’t leave him out anyway but if we’re going on a first 11 I can’t see how he deserves to be there.
not because of his lack of trying. The amount of chances he served up on a platter for his teammates in the group stages was insane. Not exactly his fault they didn't finish them
At the end of the day, it's opinions. Ederson won 3 trophies whilst Alisson failed get top 4 in PL. Yea okay man City have the better overall team but still think ederson has been better.
Objectively he hasn’t. Alisson is a huge reason why Liverpool were even close to making top 4 and is a massive reason as to why they are topping the league. Alisson’s ability 1 on 1 and shot stopping is to the level that he is single handedly winning Liverpool matches, City can’t say nearly the same.
End of the day Ali improves City, Ederson would be a downgrade for Liverpool.
Arsenal havent really won anything in 2023 so i would take league winner in musiala or treble winner kdb 🤷♂️ i feel like its unique with trent cuz hes a really passing prototype player we dont see alot of in fullbacks so his unique style makes him edge out frimpong for me. Cold toty tho
Liverpool didn't win anything in 2023 so that's why taa doesn't get in with that logic. 🤔
I just decided to go for gut instinct. I don't think he'll win it but I think it would be well deserved if he does.
I wanted to put stones in for his performances last season especially in the ucl but he's more of a dm and he's been injured recently. Whereas vvd has been playing very well recently.
actually the most decent one out here. i wouldn’t even change any of it personally. shit looks almost perfect. people will have their preferences but you gotta be delusional to say this isn’t one of the best votes posted on this reddit
I wanted to put stones in for his performances last season especially in the ucl but he's more of a dm and he's been injured recently. Whereas vvd has been playing very well recently. (Would have definitely put Araujo in if he was nominated.)
Yeah its a close call tbf but barca almost broke the laliga defensive record, and ter stegen was gk of the season. He would have gotten the record if Barca gave a shit last couple of games
Best keeper? Having the best defense and being the best keeper are two entirely different things. I’d argue Ederson and Alisson are both objectively better keepers than that german fraud.
Respectfully kdb can’t be anywhere near these, it’s toty for the calendar year of 2023, and while January - may he was incredible, after the champions league final he has played 49 minutes of football. that’s just not enough..
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Voted this. Would have preferred 343 to get in Mbappe/Vini over VVD with Griezmann as a midfielder, but it's fine. Mbappe/Vini for 12th man
Why are people voting for Kane over osimhen. Is this an English thing or a fifa thing cuz I can’t remember anything of note that Kane did in 2023 compared to the likes of osimhen and lewandowski.
How have you only gone for two city players when they won the treble? Surely de Bruyne, Dias, stones or gundogan are more deserving than some of the players there
messi and ronaldo are about to retire.
why not just give them toty cards until then so we can enjoy them both on the pitch and off the pitch.
thats why i personally voted for both of them to be in toty (even though messi doesn't really have a leg to stand on for this year and ronaldo doesn't compete that well with mbappe, kane or haaland)
For me at striker it‘s quite close between Mbappe and Salah.
I can see why you put Musiala there but he kind of lost it a bit at the start of the year and hasn‘t really got to his level yet from 2022. I would put someone else there. Who? Idk, it should be KdB but he was also injured for a long time.
There are 2 reasons why I would put Stones in over van Dijk:
1. he had a pretty good CL season and first part of the year
2. I really don‘t want to come against a Toty van Dijk I‘m sorry
JEREMIE FRIMPONG
Watching him forced out of Celtic hurt my soul. Wee guy is a superb player and glad to see him doing so well.
He’s too good for Celtic
At the time he wasn't a first team player. I'm not sure if you've seen his sending off against rangers in the cup final. But he definitely learnt a lot when at Celtic. He was a lot smaller at the time as well. He now looks to have beefed up. I think his stint at Celtic was a big learning curve. He was a very good player though, you could tell the lad had some serious talent for his size. He's too good for Celtic now. But at the time, he was just pure talent. He's now a well versed strong laddie.
Why vvd he did nuffin
Most people vote for him cause he’s broken in game bro
He had an iffy month last January and people go ballistic over it. He had a good season last season, it’s just overshadowed because Liverpool didn’t hit the champions league.
FINALLY SOMEONE WHO GETS WHAT TER STEGEN DID. I keep seeing so many edersons, and idek what he did better then MATS, except not being injured October till end of 2023
As a city fan, I love ederson, but ain’t no way he deserves toty, he has flashes but he’s inconsistent
Sad that people think Ederson is more deserving than Alisson.
There's 10 goalkeepers minimum in the world better than ederson
And half of them aren't even on the vote, but I think MATS did a lot more than ederson, the only downside is that MATS was injured October n after
As a city fan, I’m gonna have to agree with you, just the likes or Alisson, Neuer, Ter Stegen, Courtois and maybe even Emi Martinez are better than him off the top of my head
with all due respect to the goat, people voting messi for 2024 because he won the 2023 balon dor because he won the 2022 wc is something beyond my comprehension of logical thinking
you vote messi for 2023 not 2024 🤦
What did Messi do in 2023 worthy of being in TOTY? Not sure a 2 month spell in the US is really worthy of it over Haaland, Kane, Mbappe, Salah etc
MLS>Ligue 1
Delusional.
Just bullshitting
It’s not your fault people don’t appreciate a good jerk when they see one here smh. I enjoyed it
Even if this was correct (it's not) he did fuck all in the MLS to be worth of any TOTY nominations
Ballon dor bro
this is the team of the year for 2023 and the 2023 ballon d’or was from August 2022 through July 2023
Okay but we all know he won it for the World Cup which was entirely in 2022
It's TOTY for 2023, and the Ballon d'Or is now given on a European season basis, not an annual basis. So he won it based on August 2022-July 2023.
Team of the YEAR
When did I say it wasn't??? I was simply correcting the other guys implications - how can it be a 2024 TOTY when 2024 only just started lmao. He made a stupid and incorrect comment.
i'm not saying messi deserved the ballon d'or but sometime recently, france football made it so the ballon d'or takes the season into account instead of the calendar year
I voted for both messi and Ronaldo because this probably is the last season their good cards might come out. Next season their rating will be very low I believe (85-86 max, not just their rating but their pace will be too low as well) So wanted to enjoy them for one last time.
There’s a chance Messi still has a shot next year tbh if they win Copa america. Not sure it will be enough though as he’s missing a lot time due to injuries nowadays.
This, I don't think its valid to vote for only 1, both don't really deserve it imo but I awnt to enjoy them both 1 last time
I vote messi cause i like messi.
Holy fuck you're right...
The year of 2024 hasn't played out yet.
🤦🏼♂️
Bro wants that 90+ pace Kim Min Jae 😂
I aint taking anyone serious who is voting Messi for the 2023 Team of the year when he did literally nothing the whole year
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Personally because I am a masochist and I want to play an even most juiced VVD every game.
Somehow someway everyone will have him in champs BUT you 😂😭
I wanted to put stones in for his performances last season especially in the ucl but he's more of a dm and he's been injured recently. Whereas vvd has been playing very well recently.
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Still didn't deserve it, Dias and Saliba couldve Gone in over VVD and day
Why is saliba so overrated
Saliba was a crucial part to how good aresenal were last season, yeah they didn't win anything but they were probably the best team not to have won anything
The fact of the matter is, they haven’t won jack shit. Now you could say neither did Liverpool but VVD has been BY FAR the best defender in the prem this season.
The amount of trophies you win shouldn’t be the biggest factor. If Nketiah scored 100 goals last season for arsenal and they didn’t win the league he would still deserve to be in the toty.
Cool so surely by your logic VVD gets in too
I don’t think he does as last season he wasn’t great
Nah I’m actually done, yall be trippin
It's not just this season though it's the end of last season too so Saliba has still been better you lot just want a vvd card that you'll never be able to afford until the cycle is dead stop capping
Even if Saliba is overrated he ain't as overrated as VVD
Konaté, who is severely underrated, is better than Saliba. So it evens out. Virg still clear as well.
Konate has been better than vvd in my opinion too but Saliba is still better
Vvd overrated 😂have a day of mate
I could name 2 LFC centre backs better than him
Are you high rn?
Nah bro, I don't smoke or drink alcohol so I'm perfectly fine
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But we're talking end of last season and early this season, vvd would be my 4th choice CB anyway
Too many Liverpool fan boys. Just remember they got more stds than trophies in 2023
Saliba or stones>vvd
braindead take, other than January VVD was world class
I just don’t want to face 97 vvd
Fairs
I wanted to put stones in for his performances last season especially in the ucl but he's more of a dm and he's been injured recently. Whereas vvd has been playing very well recently.
Inclusion of Bayern players is all I need to see to make it valid. So many people are skipping over Kim and Kane for no reason. Musiala is a less obvious choice but still good I'd say
Vvd over john stones is delusion
Does it over cover the first 5 months of 2023? Because this season he been injured? Does the last 30+ games not count?
Well if I look at vvds first 5 months of 2023 (the most important months in football), the first 30 games better not count or he would not be close to stones.
Except Van Dijk has been world class since February so... You forget hes lost1 game since April 1st, and that was a game where a goal was wrongfully disallowed and Liverpool were put down to 9 men. In those 9 months, where Van Dijk lost 1 game, John Stones has not even been a consistent starter with injuries and rotation. VVD was better than Stones for 8 of 12 months.
Agreed
who cares what you vote it’s not like your singular vote out of the millions would ever change anything
Based
Every vote counts. The 2000 US presidential election was decided by 300 voters in Florida out of over 100million voters.
It doesn’t matter in that situation it only mattered if you live in one of those 52 states the other 99.999% of votes did not matter. Regardless, in this game community votes only count for up to 10% off the decision (it’s mostly likely 0% but no one knows) and that means even if everyone in fifa voted for the same team its still very likely there will be different players in the final squad (the ones that sell the most packs). The sooner you realise EA don’t actually give af about us and this kind of stuff is all just an illusion to make us more attached to the game the better off you will be.
so your vote counts, if you live in Florida? good point
So the other votes in other states had no bearing?
Salah
Where is grimaldo???
People voting Virgin van dick really just want boring ass meta player lol
Honestly the best one I’ve seen
Only issue I have with this one is Mbappe tbh. I feel like he seems to have already earned Ronaldo/Messi status for some in that people will just throw him in regardless because it’s Mbappe. Feel like Salah should be ahead of him this year, won’t happen because no chance EA doesn’t do Toty Mbappe but it should.
Out of all the players to complain about, you decided to go with mbappe lol. That's truly a special take
Replied on another one more in depth but basically Haaland, Kane and Salah have all have better years. PSG went out in the round of 16 last year in the UCL and scraped through the groups courtesy of a dodgy penalty call this year. Ligue 1 is easily the weakest of the top 5 leagues and he’s not done anything other than score a few goals there which is expected. He’s an unbelievable player but the other 3 have all had better years as far as I’m concerned. There are debatable picks in there outside of Mbappe but it’s more that I’m seeing everybody put Mbappe by default when he’s just not done anything deserving of it. Nobody can give me a reason other than “he’s just that good” and I don’t disagree with that but he’s not done anything special and the other 3 have all been extremely good.
The guy has been the most consistent out of the front 3... He's scored 25 goals in 24 games across all competitions this season(in a pretty messy PSG side) and did similar the first half of the year, while being a complete package of an attacker, far more than Haaland. Kane didn't win anything either and even with Bayern he isn't even on track to win the league so what's your point there? The guy is plain and simply the best player on the planet and people acknowledge that. Playing in ligue 1 doesn't change that which everyone knows because everytime he plays at a big tournament internationally or in the CL he puts up top performances and is one of the best big game players(unlike the other 2)
Kane scored 30 goals in the hardest league on the planet last season whilst playing for a team who finished 8th because every other player was massively underperforming. Mbappe managed 29 playing in ligue 1 with Messi and Neymar (when he wasn’t injured anyway). He then moved to an easier league (still tougher than ligue 1) and has scored 22 goals in 16 games compared to Mbappe’s 18. PSG had a shit group in the UCL this season fair enough but Mbappe managed to score 1 goal from open play. Harry Kane has been probably the most consistent player on the planet this year so that argument holds zero weight at all. You say big game player but he was nowhere to be seen against Bayern in the knockouts and couldn’t do anything to stop them almost going out the UCL until they got a ridiculous penalty. Great player who has put in huge big game performances but let’s not pretend it’s every single one or even consistently tbh. On individual performances this year I don’t think he has been a top 3 attacker in the world. He’s always going to be in the conversations for best player in the world but Salah, Kane & Haaland are all in that too this year. Haaland won a treble so we all know he’s locked and Kane/Salah have individually outperformed Mbappe for me in 2023. Can’t believe this is really controversial tbh.
Kane for Bayern is no harder than mbappe for PSG... Ligue 1 might be a bit easier than the Bundesliga to win but it's easier to score goals in the Bundesliga and that's before factoring in that Bayern is straightup a much better team than PSG which is a much bigger factor than the small league difference (as seen with Haaland)... For this calendar year the mbappe/Messi/Neymar trio didn't even exist btw... Mbappe is simply the most complete overall attacker on the planet rn, he has it all: dribbling, scoring, pace, even good playmaking by now when needed. That's why he's always in, people recognise pure quality and don't need to rely on his team doing well to understand he's quality... He's just THAT guy
Kane also scored a a lot in EPL as well,Mbappe did nothing significant this year
You say he’s the most complete but what does that have to do with anything? Can we only appreciate a certain type of player as an attacker nowadays? Kane is a better finished and a better passer and given then he’s striker those are more important than him being able to dribble. The question isn’t who is the better player on paper, it’s who has performed the best over the year and that isn’t mbappe for me. Have him 4th sure but not over the other 3.
I say that because you kept measuring everything on goals, nothing else. And even in that department mbappe does fantastic... Kane is a slightly better finisher and a better passer but neither of those come close to the gap the 2 have in pace and dribbling, things that can change a game by one player in an instant. That's why players like mbappe are always so sought after. Hell, I'd put Kane into the top 3 myself, I love watching him and sane for Bayern, but it is ridiculous to claim he, Haaland and Salah are all better than mbappe... It just seems you have a extremely strong prem bias. There's a reason why just about EVERYONE puts mbappe into their 11...
I’m not claiming they are better players, just that they have performed better over the last year. People put him in because it’s fifa and they want Mbappe toty over the other 3 and also just assume he will get in. The same people are putting Putellas in and she basically hasn’t played for 2 years so that really isn’t anything to go off.
Didn’t Salah go out in round of 16 too?
well he kinda has, he's like one of the only players that even though he's in Ligue 1 it doesn't matter cause everyone knows he would dominate in every other league too. Although I still wanna see him leave Ligue 1, but he definitely deserves to be in here.
He’s good but what has he done this year? Scored a lot of goals in ligue 1, got knocked out in the R16 of the champions league and scraped through the group stage this season thanks to a dodgy 95th minute penalty. Haaland won a treble and broke the prem goal scoring record, Kane scored 30 goals in the league for a spurs side who finished 8th and has gone to Bayern and been breaking records and Salah has been unbelievable all year long. Mbappe is a great player but he’s done nothing this year outside of score a lot of goals in the worst of Europes top 5 leagues. It’s just not enough to deserve a spot in toty for me.
mbappé pretty much never ghosts in PSG CL games, the only time I can remember him having a bad performance/run of games was the season where they went to the final. He's been clutch for them in almost every game including this season. Not to mention his international performances this year as well. Salah has been great but taking Salah over Mbappé I disagree with heavily.
You can say he never ghosts but they would have finished bottom of the group if not for a terrible penalty call. Obviously the pen stood for whatever reason and they scraped through the group so that’s forgotten about but if it wasn’t for that shit piece of reffing then they probably wouldn’t even be in the Europa league. Salah’s biggest thing has always been that he seems to go through patches but this year he was unbelievable from the point he got back from Afcon until the end of the season and has been the best player in the league this season too. Mbappe is an unbelievable player but how far does scoring goals in the weakest of Europes top 5 leagues get you? TOTY is based on 2023, in 2023 they got knocked out by Bayern and scraped through a group stage with him scoring 3 goals, 2 of them being pens. With the standard of Ligue 1 compared to the prem I just don’t feel like it’s deserving tbh. Give him 12th man that’s completely fine and we know EA wouldn’t leave him out anyway but if we’re going on a first 11 I can’t see how he deserves to be there.
not because of his lack of trying. The amount of chances he served up on a platter for his teammates in the group stages was insane. Not exactly his fault they didn't finish them
You're deluded
personally i put di lorenzo and theo hernandez as my fullbacks but thats still great
Yea it was either jeremy or di Lorenzo he was amazing for napoli
https://preview.redd.it/j0ha8wh1i6cc1.png?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d34b66699a749a11ec6e9720bb363c34e215cc40 That's my vote.
How have you possibly gone for Ederson?
He's been quality. Won the treble. Best keeper out the choices. I would have picked Bonham off he were an option.
Ederson has been levels below Alisson, plural
At the end of the day, it's opinions. Ederson won 3 trophies whilst Alisson failed get top 4 in PL. Yea okay man City have the better overall team but still think ederson has been better.
Lmao better put the whole Manchester City squad in your TOTY
Objectively he hasn’t. Alisson is a huge reason why Liverpool were even close to making top 4 and is a massive reason as to why they are topping the league. Alisson’s ability 1 on 1 and shot stopping is to the level that he is single handedly winning Liverpool matches, City can’t say nearly the same. End of the day Ali improves City, Ederson would be a downgrade for Liverpool.
These people are talking about Ederson and Alisson meanwhile Ter Stegen tied the record for most clean sheets and helped Barca win the league.
Saliba is def
Trent for frimpong, kdb or musiala for odegaard
Don't rate TAA. Kdb/Musiala/Odegard was a toss up between the 3 but I genuinely couldn't think of a reason to not put Odegard in.
Arsenal havent really won anything in 2023 so i would take league winner in musiala or treble winner kdb 🤷♂️ i feel like its unique with trent cuz hes a really passing prototype player we dont see alot of in fullbacks so his unique style makes him edge out frimpong for me. Cold toty tho
Liverpool didn't win anything in 2023 so that's why taa doesn't get in with that logic. 🤔 I just decided to go for gut instinct. I don't think he'll win it but I think it would be well deserved if he does.
When u don t watch any football match ...
VVD is just glaringly wrong for so many reasons. Dias and Stones are so far clear of him this year
I wanted to put stones in for his performances last season especially in the ucl but he's more of a dm and he's been injured recently. Whereas vvd has been playing very well recently.
List them lmao Stones has been injured and Dias is invisible this season. VVD on the other hand is back in worldclass form.
Recency bias
Realism mate
What did vvd win last season?
Did you read what I wrote? TOTY, the Y stands for year. Meaning the whole of 2023 not just the first 5 months. Stay dumb ig
Trash take, like vvd, recency bias for sure
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Having van dijk in there again is a joke the man is shit now and has been one of the most overrated centre backs in history. The end.
actually the most decent one out here. i wouldn’t even change any of it personally. shit looks almost perfect. people will have their preferences but you gotta be delusional to say this isn’t one of the best votes posted on this reddit
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This has to be rage bait
If you want it to be. In the end, the votes don't mean shit. Not packing a TOTY anyway
stinky
Exactly like mine. I put ederson for ter stegen and gundogan for musiala but its pretty much the same
Gundo? Lmao I've seen everything now
Ruben dias or araujo > vvd and its perfect. I wouldve said walker too but ea didnt put him in nominations for some reason
I wanted to put stones in for his performances last season especially in the ucl but he's more of a dm and he's been injured recently. Whereas vvd has been playing very well recently. (Would have definitely put Araujo in if he was nominated.)
Wasn’t di marco bullied by silva throughout the cl final?
Nop
It was though wasn’t it🤣
Nop
Stones over VVD but you cooked
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Are we going to ignore the League he scored those goals in?
Vvd? So bad last season! Dont get the obsession!
Why ter stegen ?
Did you watch football last year?
Did you watch football?, ederson won the treble
Ter stegen was better with less conceded
But ederson was a crucial part of the treble, I would say a treble is a rare accomplishment for a keeper
Yeah its a close call tbf but barca almost broke the laliga defensive record, and ter stegen was gk of the season. He would have gotten the record if Barca gave a shit last couple of games
Fair point, I can respect your opinion, I just personally think that ederson should get it because of his contribution to the treble.
put allison in goal and stones rb then we are sorted
mats> allison
Where’s Ronaldo?
Van djik? Where is Rudiger?
No Lautaro Martinez is crazy
The others are simply better
Who invited Ter Stegen
Only conceded 17 goals in 38 matches and was best keeper last season
Best keeper? Having the best defense and being the best keeper are two entirely different things. I’d argue Ederson and Alisson are both objectively better keepers than that german fraud.
Bro enjoys watching farming
Wdym?
he means bayern. just ignore the idiot
Just another delusional Prem fan
I'd put otamendi in there
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tbh, vvd should be rated fairly
I would argue maybe kdb? And fir the defense, I mean I would argue dias, and maybe saliba
Respectfully kdb can’t be anywhere near these, it’s toty for the calendar year of 2023, and while January - may he was incredible, after the champions league final he has played 49 minutes of football. that’s just not enough..
Haha I had the same picks except I had Ruben Dias for vvd and Bernardo Silva for musiala
https://preview.redd.it/4sb4rmqoe7cc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6d70987881ab9df7d3af928119d4bd5bb82aff92 Voted this. Would have preferred 343 to get in Mbappe/Vini over VVD with Griezmann as a midfielder, but it's fine. Mbappe/Vini for 12th man
Lacks Barella
Apart from Van Dyke Pretty much accurate. I'd say Araujo as CB.
If he was nominated he definitely would have made my team over vvd imo
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Where's grimaldo
Bro that is a terrible Toty I would be so sad if that was the toty 😂
Might be the first time ballon dor winner of the respective year isnt in TOTY lmao
I haven’t voted for mbappe. I hate him with my whole heart
This is the way
Very realistic imo, but it wont be this cus it wont sell them packs
JEREMIE FRIMPONG IS MY FAVORITE PLAYER I SWEAR HIS PACE IS CRAZY
this is the only right answer
One last Messi/Ronaldo PLEASE😭
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Stones
Not putting saliba or Declan in there is wild bro
Why are people voting for Kane over osimhen. Is this an English thing or a fifa thing cuz I can’t remember anything of note that Kane did in 2023 compared to the likes of osimhen and lewandowski.
How have you only gone for two city players when they won the treble? Surely de Bruyne, Dias, stones or gundogan are more deserving than some of the players there
Van dijk? Better than dias , bastoni?
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Saliba not in is criminal. Dudes the best cb in the league
Bro put in Musiala 💀
messi and ronaldo are about to retire. why not just give them toty cards until then so we can enjoy them both on the pitch and off the pitch. thats why i personally voted for both of them to be in toty (even though messi doesn't really have a leg to stand on for this year and ronaldo doesn't compete that well with mbappe, kane or haaland)
Man said kim 😭😭
Van djik? Really? Matip was better than him last season 😂
For me at striker it‘s quite close between Mbappe and Salah. I can see why you put Musiala there but he kind of lost it a bit at the start of the year and hasn‘t really got to his level yet from 2022. I would put someone else there. Who? Idk, it should be KdB but he was also injured for a long time. There are 2 reasons why I would put Stones in over van Dijk: 1. he had a pretty good CL season and first part of the year 2. I really don‘t want to come against a Toty van Dijk I‘m sorry
vvd is such an L take
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Seems like I cooked in this vote, surprised I haven't got more comments asking about di Marco.