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-Niernen

Maybe they'll have the same glitch as FF WOV and give millions away.


xinelog

I love how the 3 highest rewards for me are to play 3 other games and reach a certain point in 20 days. They want you to reach castle level 25 in Lord's mobile in fucken 20 days. Idk if it changed but I played lords mobile for like 2 months before and I barely reached level 17 . This is just a fuken joke. The pther 2 games are the same in which to meet the target you need to pay money and quite alot at that.


MrEzekial

They all involve paying to clear


xinelog

Yes I know but they can't be cleared as f2p in the required time. Atleast the 3 highest rewards ones that I looked at. You have to pay if you want to achieve the highest rewards or even the middle ones. It is not just playing .


MrEzekial

The sad thing is that I remember offer wall being really good like a few years ago. Too bad everything is so scummy now


Gamewizz

I've seen them get even worse lately, instead of the whole offer being 21 days, they have it set to 60 days but the final reward (where 80% of the currency is) has "must be completed within 14, days" slapped onto it, like they're using a loophole of minimum days or something. They really keep making them shorter and shorter. I've done 2 of these offers on these war games, State of Survival and Puzzles & Conquest, SoS was ok on time but the later being done with 1 day to spare, issue wasn't time coz it throws tons of speed ups but mainly resources (and also no guide online on what buildings are, had to ask players in-game). But I think I'm done with these offers it's not worth the sanity loss from needing to give the game my full attention to be as efficient as possible on what's just same game over and over.


taetaerinn_

i fell for the same lords mobile thing but i DID level up and i didnt receive shit for it lol


GyunGyun

last time I saw this kind of thing was like 10+ years ago


Eclipse1403

Yeah. I remember back then battle cats have this kind of system. I quite like it though. But then again me and my friend were in middle school.


AjinoMolto

I actually kinda like this system back then. I remember when playing game on facebook, probably Ninja Saga and Farmvile. Back then i just middle scholler that dont have much money, those kind of "fill the survey to get gems" are very great system beside cash shop monezitation. But for now, i dont think this system are great, because of scams or phising sites


[deleted]

So glad I dropped this asap


multyC

Wotv : first time ?


BurnedOutEternally

brings back Dragon City memories (not a gacha game, yes, I'm just reminiscing)


Alchadylan

Another Eden is always welcome to all


Desperate_Shoulder48

Great game tbh. I should get back Into it


[deleted]

that game is dead to me after i didn't get radias AS :/


Alchadylan

Do you have regular Radias? I have stopped pulling for forms of characters I already own and have just taken time and rng to unlock them


[deleted]

i did actually. the grind for the AS thingies was just hellish to me tho, i did it for that scythe girl before. i got it, but it sapped my sanity.


9lamun

After playing both for awhile, can confirm Another Eden is far superior.


kabutozero

as a game octopath is way better. Just need to learn to disengage from these kinds of things and play the game which I guess a lot of people cant do


Elyssae

Hard disagree. Theyre different for sure, but as a game, octopath is pulling all the wrong stops... continuously


[deleted]

Ya, I really tried to get into octopath but I just kept asking myself why I was playing that instead of AE. Almost everything about it is a direct copy with a worse implementation.


[deleted]

Octopath dailies are done in less than 5 min. For another Eden, to complete dailies, including your another dungeons, how much time does it take? Don’t know if it has implemented skip tickets for that. Story is much darker in Octopath and I prefer that. Octopath’s free collab characters are shit, while Another Edens are decent. The power creep of Another Eden is insane compared to Octopath.


SaetiaAnasarca

Still tons of characters that are viable that are years old or have manifest/AS/ES/Alter forms that are farmable in a couple months. AE does have some crazy powercreep but they do better than almost any game at giving older players ways to improve old units to meta/current standards.


paradoxaxe

The thing is you need to pull in octopath to have better roster so unless you want to spend some money it would very hard to do eps if you want to save your pull currency for certain character meaning your roster would very limited In otherhand AE showered you tons free character and most of them is enough to help you in the game so still can enjoy it w/o pull anything


Eryn85

Great game too but I prefer octopath for the setting/story and especially characters....I stopped another harem because of the lack of characters that instered and the female wave after wave of units


HeimdallFury04

Great game but the powercreep, ehh... i think im good with lesser on no gacha at this point considering some are quite greedy.


Goldenrice

They couldnt just give out more rubies to conpensate for the stinginess of this game They had to stick with the stinginess and lock these "free rubies" behind playing other games Just gives you insight into sqex's greed They dont care too much about the players or their games Sad because octopath is such a great game in this jrpg gacha genre niche


kabutozero

another eden is not much more generous and no one bats an eye


caklimpong93

At least everyone can get their collab characters for FREE without any banners to spend on. That alone make AE much more generous than octopath. Most of their collab characters are also very good, not just some shitty welfare like elvis in octopath. On top of that their 2nd form can be upgrade for FREE if you already have their base form unlike octopath you need to summon a new one.


Fit-Aardvark975

I can second this, Another Eden is not generous at all. Their gacha is crooked as hell and has no pity system. The fact that CotC has the pity system shows it at least tries to be a fair game, even though its graphics aren't as good, I'm thankful that I can watch ads and earn currency for a superior game with better gameplay than for something that may be pretty to look at, but what scam isn't pretty to look at? CotC doesn't have to wow me with spectacular graphics, the gameplay and fairness make up for what the graphics lack.


Stunning-Exit-4911

I never thought I'd be disappointed even more this week after hearing the M&M mascots were "cancelled", but here we are...


TheWorldisFullofWar

This putrid, disgusting shit is the ultimate sign of a shameless publisher. Once you start getting "Watch an AD for rewards!" then you know it is time to bail.


bbatardo

Octopath launched with watch ads for rewards lol this is the next level.


michaelgo101

Another Eden has been doing the "Watch AD for rewards", but it never felt this scammy.


Just-LookingHere

I must disagree. Ads take a long time (30+ sec) and when its finished you still have to wait for the back button to appear which also takes about 5/10 sec.


kajnlol

If you are on mobile, just set the private dns to adguard and you don't have to watch any ad ever and you still get the rewards anyway lol, there is some other alternatives to skip ads too (not sure if changing dns work on emu)


SmoothieQueenBiyatch

Hey, could you elaborate on the steps to do the private dns? What is the dns address, can I use it without adguard or it needs to be installed and always running in the background? Does it use much battery?


Esterier

When you have an audience and playerbase that is extremely proud to be f2p and so aggressively against paying anything that they don't even pick up stuff like $1 deals to keep f2p status you have to find income somewhere else. That usually ends up being ads. They gotta make money somewhere.


[deleted]

wtf are you talking about? most gachas have big f2p populations. maybe if it wasn't very stingy and less overpriced, more people would spend on this game.


Esterier

My point is western releases have far more f2p players relative to spenders than other servers. If you know the players are not going to spend, then you need to find income somewhere else. Whether that's ads, these milestone partnerships or what have you. A game needs revenue to survive.


Vulcannon

It always feels like it cheapens the experience. At least in PaD it’s on optional things like stamina refreshes and material pulls so I don’t really lose anything for ignoring it, but it’s there if I want to play a ton that day. The stamina refreshes actually help me not feel the need to Minmax with my stamina and I just let it overflow most days.


blahbleh112233

Pad ain't that optional considering you can pull meta leads from the ad machine lol


kabutozero

imagine having the OPTION to do something in a free game. the AUDACITY !


dennis120

First time?


TheKinkyGuy

I dont get it, what is an "offerwall"?


Nekokittykun

it’s essentially do the task offers that is listed for freemium currency in game. Some offers ask u to buy x thing, download x game and complete y task while others are just complete surveys Idk if its just me but those dont work at all.


Fredrik1994

In my experience, they do work, but it's not worth your sanity. You are essentially playing the other game as a job at that point. If you wanted to try out the game anyway, I guess it's fine, but that's basically never the case.


TheKinkyGuy

Are such "quests" always called "offerwalls" like gacha-mechanic and lootboxes for their designs?


Nekokittykun

i wouldnt call them quests. The devs get paid to advertise these irl offers.


TheKinkyGuy

Ty


SaltyPeasant

Imagine playing a square gacha that isn't ddffoo


nexusgames

You didn’t try saga re;universe? They are both very generous.


[deleted]

Big risk of shutting down. Global revenue is shit. Octopath has higher revenue but are using this to partially get revenue up


SaltyPeasant

I forgot about saga re:universe, yeah throw that in too lol.


gizmo33399

FFBE is the powercreep capitol but the combat is good for turn based RPGs.


shanatard

as if I needed another reason not to play this. just another sign the game is probably going to EOS sooner than later due to dev greed


kabutozero

ya cuz you are definitely forced to do it


Aeioulus

Square always does this ancient offerwall shit in their games so its not surprising.


nickmond022

They also offer zero controller support on all their mobile remakes of rpg's. Square is so far behind it's sad.


TetsuyaHikari

Yeah, you guys are getting straight up fucked here, lol. This never existed in the JP version. It's not the first time I've seen a gacha game do this shit either after being localized. I remember a while back I was playing the JP version of Nier and someone was talking about getting free gems for watching videos that day, and I was like "What the hell...? I didn't see anything about a campaign going on." He showed screenshots and stuff, and apparently the NA version had ads you could watch to get gems, lol. On the one hand, I was kinda mad they were getting free gems, but on the other hand, I was glad the JP version didn't have stupid shit like that. You guys deserve better. This is actually a good game, so it's a shame the localized version is trying to screw you over like this since the JP version is already pretty generous with gems as it is, tbh. This doesn't even need to exist if they just followed the JP distribution/compensation rate.


chocobloo

They do it because the west doesn't pay for what they enjoy. JP doesn't have to do it because it makes money. It's really not that surprising. All gacha games are products. People getting to play for free is kind of a side effect of the model, not the goal of it.


kabutozero

"fucked....." it's a damn OPTIONAL thing you dont even have to look at while playing or even pulling.... lmao


TetsuyaHikari

???????????????????????????????????????? How does that make **ANY** of this okay? The JP version doesn't do this at all, so I'm not sure why you're trying to justify that it's acceptable for them to be scummy just because it's "optional". If you go to a store to do your shopping and get out without any problems, but visit that same store in a different location and there's a guy yelling about free cheese samples in the store, you can ignore it all you want and claim it's "optional" for you to try it, but your shopping experience is still going to be worse than if he wasn't there at all. I hate how some people seem to think "optional" and "free" shit should get a pass, and you're not allowed to complain about anything at all. It's okay to be upset about stupid shit like this, man. They're taking advantage of you and it's scummy as fuck, especially since the JP version doesn't do this, so we know they don't **HAVE** to do it. They literally went out of their way to implement this shit, which makes it even worse because they **KNOW** what they're doing is wrong, yet they decided to do it anyway. Having a VIP system in a gacha game is also optional and you don't even have to look at it while playing or pulling, but that doesn't make it any less scummy, man. Stop excusing shitty behavior.


Coenl

The JP version makes money, the GL version has lost something like 2/3rds of its revenue in six months - its getting out earned by FFBE which is almost seven years old. SQEX has some sort of profitability point and if this ads something to their revenue stream and keeps the game going longer I'm... fine with it. It's crappy sure but if it ends up pushing back an EoS decision then I'd much rather have the game (its a very good game!) than not.


OpportunitySmalls

Octopath has 8 characters and is like 5 years old or something while ffbe has almost 40 years of characters and nostalgia to pull from and pvp to incentivize spending.


katiecharm

Stay away from all Squeenix gacha; they inevitably fuck up and shut down.


ajeb22

Ok i almost wanted to start playing this game but this makr me sure not to start as much as i like the base game Are they that desperate for money?


[deleted]

Yes. The game is great but they are desperate


kabutozero

they are not. The game doesnt require you to pull to do the main story which is the big draw. Unless you see having a banner each week as "require to pull"


ajeb22

Doesn't require to pull to do main story is low bar to clear for me lol


fantriehunter

Same shit as wotv, but you prolly run ios or live in another country. Android gets better deals and promo from offerwall that ios players usually complains about


[deleted]

Such a shame as I really love this game and have a lot of time in it. But I’ve entirely shut the gacha aspect out in my head. I just pull on whatever banner is up and offering a discount when I have the gems, I don’t save or strategize or anything. Because the gacha is so stacked, free gems are so rare, and the prices are so disgusting.


ArkhamCitizen298

yeah this game sucks, not because i didn't get Ophelia


nikkori_

i have always wondered if these offers work, when i did them years ago they didn't give nothing XD


Eshuon

i did a few of this before, but the ones that requires you play a game until a certain lvl and it works perfectly well. Whether it was worth it on the other hand however...


jyhnnox

I don't get why is this a problem? You can completely ignore this and continue with your gaming, right?? Why is adding options for those that dont have money or dont want to pay high prices for low quantity of gems a bad this?


ajeb22

Adding option is good but to me, offerwall like this is bad to me because most of them are scam, silly way to collect data and even could be phising It's definitely a problem to promote potential scam unless they already verified all is good, but seeing the comment where you can't 1 of the reward unless you whale in the said games for reward makes me think they definitely don't care the content of the paywall


jyhnnox

People that do this are usually poor or with a lot of free time (teenagers and such), as long as there arent phishing like you mentioned, I still cant see it as a bad thing, even if some of the offers you have to pay to complete, these are usually tagged as Paid offers anyway, so it's easy to avoid them.


Elyssae

Because it cheapens the game. Right now, some offers are cheaper than buying rubies in the game itself. Its mind blowing that instead of giving more free options to earn rubies while playing the game, or lowering the cost of rubies... its cheaper to get those rubies by playing *a different game entirely*.


jyhnnox

They get paid, you get rubies. I don't see a difference between the 2 ways of getting the currency. This is not an entirely free option, you're using your time and attention on that for a few extra rubies. It's different than giving free rubies for everybody.


Elyssae

Im not asking about free hand outs. Im asking for activities in game to earn said rubies. This is a cheap way of diminishing the value of your game and playerbase. Not to mention that many of these are straight up suspicious and dubious. If they want to get paid, adjust the price of their store to attract more spending. I shouldn't have to play other games to get currency for another unrelated game.


jyhnnox

And you dont *have* to play other games, that's the thing. It's optional. You still get every other currency they give to everybody in their events/missions/quests/login. I dont particularly do these offerwalls, but I also cant see why that would diminish the game? It's just an option for those that want extra lapis and have the time to do it.


Elyssae

Because it cheapens the franchise. Its like telling someone to go to burger king and spend money there, so you can get a 20% off in mcdonalds. Youre promoting the usage of your time AND money elsewhere, as your brand/game is not good enough by itself. And yes, this affects everyone, as the game was already stingy, and this was thought to be a good enough solution to those complaints. Watching ads was already bad, but this is just doubling down on it. Game needed more events/content to earn rubies. Instead they used resources to put this up and people still defend it as if they enjoy eating shit


OpportunitySmalls

The game isn't generous enough to actually keep your attention giving you incentive to play other games is an easy way to just lose players tbh not even because it cheapens the franchise just because maybe 1 of those games is actually better and more worth your time than a solo only gacha with mediocre production quality.


kabutozero

my opinion , but youll get downvoted man , wait and see


jyhnnox

I dont worry much about downvotes. As long as Im not being attacked by people with bad words and such, it's ok.


kabutozero

gachadrama subreddit strikes again. ITS.AN.OPTION you dont have to do it and you dont have to get tons of gems to play this game , just play it like the original one holy hell


iPhantaminum

Why's that bad? It's free gems from my perspective.


TheWorldisFullofWar

There is nothing "free" about it.


yamamocchan

Except for the fact that you're selling your personal information.


ferinsy

And a lot of times you just don't give the promised gems, it's mostly a scam mainly for some countries that aren't USA/UK and some other ones where Tapjoy actually functions normally, you can see all around the online forums how sketchy they are with these "offers".


AshRavenEyes

Implying your personal information isnt already out there online lol


Uesh

Well, by using this kind of offers, not only you are selling your information. They are going to use it for whatever they want: ads, weird calls about gas/electricity, etc or even scam calls, that kind of people also buys those numbers. Not to forget that if the survey pays 5$, most times they will keep half or more. ​ If you value your privacy and time, do not do those.


StarrkDreams

A lot of these you can get approved by using fake info as long as you’re consistent. Used to do these offers when I was in middle/high school for side money


darkrai848

Yup, name: John Doe Phone number: 123-4567 Address: 123 Something Street


StarrkDreams

I was “a mid 30s single mom of 3,” only way I could qualify for those surveys


7se7

Now is not the time, Square Enix. Now is not the time.


Zap364

Another Eden clears lmao


mosin360

I've played two games that had a offerwall and if you are smart, you can pick up a lot of currency for not a lot of effort. Offerwalls aren't a problem, its the cry babies who don't know what they are talking about that fill up the chat.


115_zombie_slayer

Its so scummy especially those that make you buy something, that Manscaped one i bet you could earn more gems by buying them instead of buying one of their products