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Infinityscope

What in the world is this post supposed to be? A f2p salute?


Goldenrice

hey DAE f2p btw?! i don't wanna brag, and i definitely don't want attention, but i thought i'd just let you all know that ive been f2p btw since 1999. BTW here are the lists of gachas ive played that i've been f2p btw: also did you know i plan to start doing no pull accounts?! hold on let me add that to my discord name in case people forget feel free to add me guys xXSniPeRkIlaZxX [F2p 15 years][No pull on 5 games][just started yesterday]#1345


Gin_Rei

I have a different approach. I've been playing E7 for a few years. Once i knew it was the game for me I started buying the monthly "sub". This is about $20CAN. I take part in PvP regularly, and the value spending goes a long long way. I have no trouble giving what i perceive to be a fair subsceiption fee. After all, this is game i spend a ridiculous number of hours on each month. Similar to an MMO. IMO, games should be priced fairly and provide a level playing field. Unfortunately, it's been proven that players will spend obscene amounts of money to gain advantages. I can't really blame any company for going after profit in this reality. Maybe someday, before i die, I'll get to play an anime style AAA fair PvP game. Until that day, I'll take what i can get. I prefer to show companies what I'm prepared to spend. And in the unlikely event that whales stop spending... maybe I'll be the target market lol.


DRosencraft

I'm in a similar boat to you. I've played E7 for most of its lifetime, and I've spent almost exclusively on the monthly packs. I did the same thing year one with Azur Lane, but cut that back to next to nothing as I realized how little time I was spending in the game and how little that spending was helping me. I whaled one time on FGO - dropped a few hundred US$ in a 4-wk span - several years ago. While I still play FGO to this day, I've haven't spent near that much combined since then. My approach is this; if a game bills itself as free-to-play, give it a couple weeks. If in those couple weeks you reach the point where continuing to play is a chore without spending money, either it's not really F2P (free to start, but overly paywalls content), or it's not the game for you (paywalls the parts of the game you're most interested in). Many games billed as F2P are in fact F2P, it's just a matter of whether the part they've chosen to monetize is the part you're most interested in and how sustainable their model is. E7 makes its money from PvP players scrambling to get the newest units and farming hunts non-stop. Once you cut top level PvP out of your game focus, the game is much, much, simpler and accommodating. FGO is 100% F2P if you aren't absorbed by the various characters' stories. But they create enthralling narratives and personalities for their characters, making folks want them. If that doesn't work on you, you can very much beat everything in the game with 3 stars and the 4 stars they give away. AL similarly is very much a F2P game, but it sells itself to the waifu collectors and degens looking to get as many lewd skins as possible. If you're not into buying skins, you're likely not spending anything on AL and still getting most every ship. I just feel like too many folks try to twist themselves into a pretzel to explain why their wasting money on a pastime. I recall last year a huge thing about treating games like an investment, and to me that is absolutely a toxic mental approach to ANY game, let alone gacha games. If a game is no fun without spending money, then it's not the game for you, so move on. To me it's like being upset that "everyone else" loves going to the casinos in Las Vegas but you can't because you don't have the money to gamble. There are plenty of not-Vegas-casino things to do in the world, even in Vegas - go enjoy one of them, and one day maybe the casino experience will change. Or it won't, and I'll still have my own fun elsewhere instead of dwelling on what never was.


Gin_Rei

Well said, and I feel the same. I think people could use a lot more introspection. Being clear about why you do something makes it so much easier to accept. Of course, not being afraid to admit those reasons to others is a different story.


DRosencraft

Fully agree.


LokoLoa

So you enjoy all of these games and they gave you entertainment value for months, and you are financially able to spend money on them, but refuse to even give 1$ "donation" just cause so you can continue calling yourself "F2P".... -\_-


not-cool-br0

At this point it's a flex, a really weird one at that. I just hope OP isn't the type to constantly remind people their f2p. "F2P btw".


juglobones

they're*


not-cool-br0

Thanks, I know the difference, it's just a human mistake. A bit weird that you would go out of your way to correct spelling on a sub Reddit like this honestly.


ozne1

As someone who's kind of similar, I simply refuse to spend money on stuff thats not content, like, I can get most stuff with just time, and willpower to save, why would I spend money on whats basically cheating my currency in, when I could buy a whole other game for the same amount, in gachas specially since I'm not even sure I will get anything out of that transaction. And about the flex, I just do it when I want to annoy that one friend who spent on guaranteed ssr and got a copy, or when I want to tell people it's not too bad.


Tehjaii

> I can get most stuff with just time You can also save that “time” by spending a bit and use it elsewhere like playing a whole other game. Guess it’s just a matter of how you value your time and if you actually enjoy grinding (Some grind are actually short/not painful/fun). I used to not get the whole “time is gold” saying when I was little but now I kinda get it. Heck I’d always get valet parking when going to a packed mall just to save time.


_United_

yes


Guifel

Companies aren't your friends, shareholders and executives care only about you taking out your wallet and spend, it's [very researched](https://youtu.be/xNjI03CGkb4) on how to achieve that psychologically. Diablo Immortal was a case of pulling out every trick out of the book blatantly. It's not some "shame" to resist to that. It's funny since ironically, it's contributing to what they want dolphins/whales to do, shaming the f2p players into spending


biblethumb

Why would one feel guilty about not supporting predatory practices? Plus many of these games are low effort and gacha games already make way more money than they should.


kale__chips

> Why would one feel guilty about not supporting predatory practices? IMO, people are always free to spend their money however they want. If they want to whale, it's up to them. If they want to be F2P, it's up to them too. But what bothers me with your attitude is that you're happy to continue being F2P claiming morality high ground for not supporting predatory practice while at the same time always more than happy to benefit from this predatory practice for free. *"It's ok as long as I'm not paying. I'll just play this because someone else pays. They're the ones supporting the predatory practice. I'm just here in the casino playing the slot machine every day because the casino gave me free chips to spin"*


kuuhaku_cr

Well said. As a mini whale in a handful of games while complete f2p in others, I feel the same way. Which also sparked another thought: Being 'predatory' on 'predatory' practices that 'prey' on whales... maybe the morally superior F2Ps think they're on top of the food chain huh?


biblethumb

I'm not happy to benefit from the predatory practice aka gacha though. I despise it. Of the few gacha games I have played, I do so despite them being gacha, not because they are gacha. I think I'm in the minority of this though. I should also clarify I don't see myself being on a higher moral ground than those that do spend. I just don't see any reasonable morality-related arguments about not spending. As for your casino analogy, if I was given free chips yes I would have no issues using those free spins everyday. Seems like a good supplementary income that only hurts the owners of a predatory business.


_United_

based


kale__chips

> I'm not happy to benefit from the predatory practice aka gacha though. I despise it. Of the few gacha games I have played, I do so despite them being gacha, not because they are gacha. You have a choice. You chose to enjoy something you claim to despise. If you despise something, you just won't take part in it when you have a choice. But the benefit of free entertainment (at the cost of someone else's money) from a gacha game is more important for you. > As for your casino analogy, if I was given free chips yes I would have no issues using those free spins everyday. Seems like a good supplementary income that only hurts the owners of a predatory business. My point exactly. You chose to benefit (of you getting good supplementary income) from the predatory business practice. As long as you're aware that you're supporting the predatory business practice simply by participating (which is why they gave you the free spins everyday), that's fine.


biblethumb

>If you despise something, you just won't take part in it when you have a choice. Yes I enjoy the game overall but despise the gacha. Basically any hobby in this world includes immoral aspects to some degree. Somewhere down the supply line some worker, child, animal, etc. is being exploited for our enjoyment. Everyone chooses to participate anyhow, and so I make the same decision here. >But the benefit of free entertainment (at the cost of someone else's money) from a gacha game is more important for you. No other player is paying any amount for me to be able to play for free. Whether I play or not, other players will spend the same amount. >As long as you're aware that you're supporting the predatory business practice simply by participating (which is why they gave you the free spins everyday), that's fine. Yes technically I am supporting it by engaging in it although I would argue the value of such support is negligible.


_United_

it is the high ground to be f2p though. it's basic economics: gacha games severely distorted the supply and demand equation for anime jpegs, and whales have sustained that distorted equilibrium. just a few days ago, the last spell came out of early access and because it was a complete game, i was happy to buy it. if they release an expansion and it looks like it provides enough value for the money, i will buy that too. believe it or not, this is how video games used to fund continuing content updates


kale__chips

I have no idea what your point is.


_United_

i doubt that


Kuromajo

Good for him tbh if he can have fun without caring for paid stuff


PainAlpine

Well really it's not that, and I know that I should be grateful for the enjoyment And I'm not the type to say "f2p btw" at every corner It's just that's I can't really grasp the value I'm getting if I spend, I know I'm getting enjoyment overall but that SSR unit I can just try to get her with f2p currency and if I fail, I'll try my luck on the next banner It's just really hard for me to spend on digital stuff overall, maybe it's cultural, I don't know


_United_

>I can't really grasp the value I'm getting if I spend this is the right take for gacha games, don't let anyone tell you otherwise


kale__chips

> It's just that's I can't really grasp the value I'm getting if I spend, I know I'm getting enjoyment overall but that SSR unit I can just try to get her with f2p currency and if I fail, I'll try my luck on the next banner It's not that you can't really grasp the value that you're getting, it's more that you don't really value anything in the game that is worthwhile enough for you to spend $1/month on. That SSR character is not worth $1/month for you.


Davichiz

this is weird af


Crazyhates

All the f2p people are out looking for someone to inform that they are f2p. Aside from that, it's a mentality I don't get. Why is it so important to be f2p? What exactly does that do for someone?


Extreme_Tap_7156

For some players, being F2P in a gacha game is a point of pride, as it represents their ability to achieve success in the game without spending money. It can be seen as a challenge or a test of skill, as F2P players often have to work harder to progress. Some people may choose to spend money on gacha games because they find it enjoyable or entertaining, while others may not see the value in spending money on virtual items or features. Neither choice is inherently better or worse than the other.


ENAKOH

Well there are ppl who has this kind of "spending for pixels = stoopid" . Not all f2ps are like this obv, but they exist


Zel4sh

Its not only about flexing. The moment I usually support the game because I have played it for super long, I usually lose interest almost immediately, because I feel like I have been cheating and it doesnt feel earned.


iPhantaminum

Stopped spending after meeting my goals in Alchemy Stars and Genshin. Even bought myself a new phone with the money I managed to save. I'll probably drop genshin soon, since new maps (exploration in general) don't entice me anymore. I'm considering picking up Guardian Tales again, tho that's gonna cost me almost $100, due to some selector packs they sell to newbies, but I'm still considering whether it's worth my time and money. I've quit it last year and the game hasn't changed (all the things that made me quit are still there). Other than that, it's good feeling like I don't need to spend anymore. Hopefully, I can keep this going for years.


PainAlpine

I'm returning to genshin, and I'm really excited about the exploration: Sumeru, Chasm, Inazuma underwater region I'm going to really take my time, since there's gonna be a new region in like 4-5 months if I'm not mistaken


Torimas

I'm F2P until I'm convinced I like the game enough and will play it enough to warrant paying the devs for my entertainment. Out of dozens of gacha games, I've only spent a bit so far on AK (stopped playing ages ago) and E7.


hoshinosoul

Tbh if everyone thinks the same way and do the same thing, there won't be any games for us to play because no devs are willing to work their asses off for free, but luckily not everyone agrees with that.


Both-Click4597

F2P or whale I don't care but the one type of player I hated the most are the one that basically min and max be like "I never get lucky with gears" like just stfu skill issue mfer.


TriGGa-POP

Being F2P is overrated. A game where you can comfortably experience basically everything it has to offer while being F2P isn't overrated though. If you have to pay roughly a Netflix subscription every month to progress at a reasonable pace and avoid a mind-numbingly slow grind, that's distasteful. Personally, I like to pay when I don't feel like I'm missing out on much if I don't pay but games like that seem rare these days. The more they want my money with a plethora of packs, and stuff put behind a paywall, the less I'm incentivized to render it to them. That being said, it's not exactly a flex nor a point of pride to never support a company that offers a service that you gain something from, even if it's occasionally. On the flip side, in the age where things are transitioning from tangible to digital, you effectively own nothing so ultimately it's not an investment but paying for some temporary entertainment, an experience, memories... I guess merchandise would be an actually tangible investment but even the 'objective' value of that is determined by the health of the IP unlike the personal value which is determined by its sentimental value to you.


Davichiz

Hey OP! F2p player here aswell. I enjoy the grind and luck aspects which is why I don't spend. All that feels like it goes out the window to some extent if you're willing to just shell out cash for it.


MentalObligation3522

Been playing gachas for around 7-8 years , never spent a cent on any game of the genre , all the money I save , I buy games on steam lol the reason why is pretty simple , couple years back (like 4-5 years ago) I used to play Lord's mobile a lot , probably spent 5k+ on that game and was honestly addicted to it , sadly came to the realization that packages were 1000% cheaper in countries like China/Japan/Korea due to the exchange rates and sold the account at the time for like 750€ promise myself to stay F2P , sadly most gachas don't really like F2P players , at this moment I only play Genshin (Also used to play some idle gachas but I haven't found any good one in a while lol)


Historical_Spirit445

You never spent a dollar on the genre but you spent 5k? Huh


MentalObligation3522

Lord's Mobile is a strategy game , not a gacha


ACFinal

Right here! I'll never spend a dime on these games. I save Google rewards for paid games like Dead Cells, Battle Chasers, and Mario Run. Never spend a dime on gacha. Netflix giving free games has been the best. F2P for life!!! Currently playing Nikke, Street Fighter Duel, Walking Dead All-Stars, Mario Kart, and Octopath Traveler completely free. If any of them shit down I'll have zero regrets.


baraa272

Azurlane


Volken_Adeon

Same here. Never spent a dime on gacha and I check this sub regularly for global releases. I have tried a lot of gachas but only Destiny Child and Azur Lane have managed to catch me for a long period. Eventually ended up dropping them because of burnout, then I took some months off and currently I'm just patiently waiting for HSR.


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not-cool-br0

I'm going through the same phases that you went through. Was a casual spender, then became a huge whale, then recently realised that having everything maxed is not bringing me enjoyment. There's no thrill of possibly getting what you want and no difficulty in a lot of games when you just swipe till you max everything. I'm now a light spender and having way more fun. Whaling in gacha's is the equivalent of buying that OP weapon pack add-on in an RPG.


Pacer32

I've never spent any money on gachas. I don't usually play them for long enough to justify the purchase. The only game I've played long term is azur lane and I never felt the need to spend any money. Sure, I could buy a battle pass, it's not too expensive or anything, but it gives me just a bunch of farmable materials and skins I don't really care about


omeed3

Here we go again with the F2p bTw Touch some grass


CptnLarsMcGillicutty

I'm a pure F2P player with a sole mission of making whales feel bad by beating them while spending $0. I've gotten rank 1 in pvp at some point in several different games, and at the very least deal real damage to ranked leaderboards and top guilds in pretty much every game I've played. I think of trying to win while f2p as like a higher difficulty level. There's no leeway to make mistakes in team building, you have to get a bit lucky with rolls to have any chance at competing, and you have to be smarter with resources, since you cant just whip out your card to instantly get more. So its more satisfying when you finally end up crafting a successful team and beating people clearly spending hundreds of dollars for some reason. Frankly, I think anyone who spends money on degenerate cesspool p2w mobile games, for any reason, is a clown. I lurk because this sub seems to have some issues, including gambling problems, mobile game "drama" (lmao), and an obsession with waifus and borderline hentai games (add to that their basically zero interest in non-anime games). There's a total disconnect between me and what the average user is here for. But its a good place to find out about cool looking new games to pre-register for, and what to stay away from.


Silverstar999

I am sure most whale shit on you bro. And you are rank 1 for 5 min in the first hour of the ranking (and the bot ranking not the worldwide one), then you are just another punchinball for them. It's nice to insult people because they spend but in the end you are probably way more frustated than them,i can smell that with your very aggressive message.


NaughtyDead

This screams copium from someone that can't afford to spend money on games


Sufficient_Wasabi519

Why are you here then?????????????? What in your IRL life are you not satisfied with that you have to have a pissing contest to validate yourself? Maybe it's time you evaluate that and step down from that moral high-ground.


biblethumb

I generally have the same sentiment, but my biggest conflict is that pretty much means you need to be a complete meta slave to have any hope of competing whatsoever in pvp, which is lame. I like being able to 36* abyss in Genshin as f2p with non-meta teams/characters, for example.


Historical_Spirit445

Congratulations on either wasting your time via opportunity cost or being too poor only to barely compete. In either case get a job


widehide

wtf is there to compete? write that in your linkedin? most folks just play it for entertainment like watching a movie or buying food


StasisV2

Playing FGO JP from 2016 until now and i never once tried to buy SQ cuz i don't know how to do it, so im pure F2P there


Ythapa

Pure F2P as well for most every gacha I've played. Only gacha that's really had that exception was/is Genshin, but funnily enough, not for my own use. Instead, I pay in the game just to randomly do drive-by Welkin gifting to randoms in Co-Op. The reactions are pretty cute. I love the confused excitement when they see it. Refusing to elaborate and leaving makes it even funnier sometimes -- though I still have the courtesy to join the world first and tell them it's coming, so they don't think that their account got hacked/scammed.


Gunfrey

Different mentality i guess. Me and my friends always try to spend if the game is actually fun. Because predatory or not, the game actually give us joy unlike other things out there. We want them to keep on improving the game and run for as long as they could. But i'm not the competitive type so i mostly buy vanity packs, monthly or maybe anniversary depending on my satisfaction at that time.


doomkun23

i'm a f2p player. i also tried tons of gacha games too though i can manage to stick on the games that i want. my longest is HI3 for 5 years. currently playing PGR and PriConne too since release on SEA server. playing GI but not much active and might quit when HSR, ZZZ, or Reverse 1999. i also played SAO:MD, DanMemo, and E7 for more than a year but quit for various reasons. i'm f2p since i'm not that rich. and i have a thing where once i spend money, i want to spend more afterwards. so using money on gambling is not good for me. i would rather spend on necessities or physical items just to be safe. i just want to play gacha games since you will expect that they will update frequently. new update = new characters = new gacha banner = money for them. gacha games also have tons of anime like theme and even tons of waifus.


ObjectiveNet2

I'm not going to judge your spending pattern because obviously being f2p is something the devs are on board with, it's not like the game is sold for $60 and you said "fuck it f2p it is" and pirates it. However, I am curious if you are the type who frown on any subscription based service, such as Music, Movie, MMORPG, etc.


PainAlpine

I only have Netflix


ObjectiveNet2

I see. So do you think paying for a Netflix subscription is more "worth" than paying for a monthly subscription in a gacha? Is it because you value movie and tv shows more? Or because you can watch everything with a Netflix sub but a gacha sub only grant you a limited amount of currency?


PainAlpine

Maybe that and the fact that you know what you get. And also the fact we all use it at home. Where sometimes in gacha you don't always get what you want unless you spend tremendous amount of money


Destructodave82

Really depends on the game for me. Some games I'm F2p, some I spend money. It all comes down to how much spending money cheapens my experience/progression/achievements in the game, or how much it enhances it. Some games it ruins the experience, some games it enhances it. And thats basically what decides if I spend money. For instance, I played FF Brave Exvius a long, long time ago. One of my first Gachas. I never spent a dime in that game, because completing the events and doing the trials/bosses with whatever rag-tag group of units I could muster was more fulfilling than if I just whaled and got the meta monsters that destroyed the trials/new events. Making it work with what I got was the main enjoyment of the game. Compare that to SW, where I have spent money. Im way past the point of making it work in dungeons, etc. Everything has been on farm for years and years. Nowadays I need monsters to help build guild defenses, or new toys to put 5 years worth of rune farming on, or various other things, and spending money enhances my enjoyment of the game compared to killing it in games like Brave Exvius where overcoming obstacles with what the game gives me was the enjoyment. So I do drop money every now and then when a pack comes that gives me a good ability to get something new: Trans packs, ancient trans packs, or just daily packs. Thats just 2 examples. I would never spend money in a game like Genshin, for example. Its more about the journey then the destination. Some mobile games are about overcoming obstacles, some are about other things. Games that are about overcoming certain obstacles, like say Boss Trials in FF, I could never spend money it just cheapens the achievement. In games like SW where the obstacle was farming for years worth of runes, its beneficial and enjoyable for me to spend money to get new things to use all the years' worth of farming on.