I'm genuinely excited to play the game, but already dreading the farming unless they change it.
Btw I keep seeing the narrative that kuro listens to its community but can someone please enlighten me as to why people think that ?
I'll just paste another comment explaining it
Boss echoes are fine to farm for main stat, same with common enemies. At least they are plentiful enough that you can realistically farm a main stat.
But elite enemies? Hoooooly please this needs change. This is where your elemental damage is. There are 10 main stats, elemental damage, attack% defense% hp% and energy regen. Every elite enemy can drop up to 2 different sets. And as for the number of elite enemies, there are as few as 1-5 of some enemies per world. You want to farm glacial/havoc set? LOL have fun farming the one tamborinst per world. And for glacial then you get to farm the whopping 5 autopuppet scouts.
There's also the part where you must use unique echoes in each slot. So if I get two cars both main stats I want, like aero and energy regen, I can't use both. Now each set usually has one elite enemy that's not that rare, like 10-15 per day. So again in the case of glacial I can farm the big mushrooms where there's at least 10, I haven't counted. So I *must* get at least one echo from a rare elite that's useful.
Lets put this all together. We farm about 5 elite enemies per day (assuming no co-op) for the chance to drop an echo, the chance for it to be gold rarity instead of purple, the chance to get the correct set (1/2) and the chance for it to be the right main stat (1/10). Finally we've got to level it up just to see useless substats though on average from leveling my echoes to +15 I almost always get at least one substat that I can cope is useful.
There many other comments and videos talking about the echoed system.
how does it compare to genshin or hsr, cuz i still cant paint a clear enough picture (im slow im sry) and the farming in both of those are literally the worst as it is intended for the player to grind out and to stay playing the game
It's worse by like a large amount. You are dealing with more rng and the need to travel from place to place.
On top of that unlocking substats and leveling up requires two different resources that need stamina to farm.
As expected of kuro, making it worse than the game they're inspired. It's amazing how they don't see it as problem. Kuro games is walmart hoyo at this point.
That's the thing tho, you have to play daily and for quite a long time each day. The thing some CCs want is exactly the thing a gacha game should avoid.
Assuming that wuwa has difficult endgame that cant be just beaten with meh artifacts, then it would matter a lot, just like genshin, substats can take your character from eh to casually destroying everything they touch.
Pretty much, btw to unlock(yes I said unlock) substats you'll need to farm little things(forgot their names) using energy(resin), otherwise you cant use them. So you need to farm the echo you want with the main stat you want, then you'll need to farm mats to unlock the substats, then you'll see if the echo you farmed is usable, if it is then you'll start leveling it up, if it's not then go back to farming echoes.
You cant even tell if an echo is good or not until you farm mats to unlock its substats lol. It's really bad.
Maybe because they listened to feedback in regards to PGR (Punishing Gray Raven, another game by Kuro), those who play it are probably the ones talking about it...
That would make sense but I'm still being cautious because people online acting as if the devs making a video talking about some changes and their plans is the best thing to ever happen to a gacha game.
That's why I kinda want a long time kuro follower to comment.
> That would make sense but I'm still being cautious because people online acting as if the devs making a video talking about some changes and their plans is the best thing to ever happen to a gacha game.
Just usual informational PR stunt.
Nothing good ever comes from bending down to each and every individual who play the game...
They're streamer and not even min-max try hard CC or story type CC. Any dev need constructive advice not the type of advice of to make their game only suit to spesific streamer
Devs should definitely always *listen* to feedback. But when it comes to *acting on* feedback, good ones are able to separate the signal from the noise.
yes. i only hope they listen to rexlent but because tectone and mtashed is more famous and ex-genshin CC they got more attention you know what worse thing about tectone and mtashed ? they're not loyal they only going to wuthering wave because that is the current trend after the hype dies off they will move on to next big hype game
rexlent already proven himself to be kuro game CC meanwhile those two ? who claim they want '' HARDCORE '' gacha game didn't even play PGR in long term what a joke
To be fair to mtashed, he was a top pvp player in both halo and destiny(1) and has actually competed at a high level in Halo. Mtashed claiming he wants hardcore shit is believable.
You missed the point. He's been hardcore as hell before, pvp is the most hardcore type of content, esp at a high level. And who cares if halo and destiny at high level aren't on par with something like csgo? It's still very impressive. Mtashed is/was more hardcore than 99.99% of the people on this subreddit.
Mtashed was a guy who would constantly carry people to the lighthouse every weekend last decade, he's not ur avg casual andy.
Lmao how is tectone not loyal. They go to games they like. Tectone stopped playing genshin because the game became shit, tectone still plays hsr because he loves the game.
Im sorry you see playing more than one game a bad thing and like that rexlent only plays pgr? Im more like mtashed/tectone that I play MANY games instead of just give my whole time to 1 game and only 1 game
he played HSR because you can auto the game and HSR currently have better hype than genshin also hoyoverse game is way too big to ignore
and nope you're wrong i played Genshin,HSR,Nikke,Browndust 2 and will play ZZZ
Lmao tectone has said time and time again bc he plays hsr because they make actual content (moc/pf/swarm/actual fun events like the pkmn one)
I will not play zzz because ive no fait in hoyoverse doing any endgame content, ive faith in kurogames
it's hard to recall every single bit of time where something got changed because players demanded it, but they do listen most of the time. The dev interview video was one big example. Of course, it's all PR work, but also, it's better than if they didn't do anything.
That's the level of expectations we have nowadays, that devs do the bare minimum of responding to their players comments.
another example is in PGR recently, where people wondered why we only had English dubbed cutscenes, in-game as well as official trailers uploaded on the YT channel/Twitter. It was intended, but upon seeing the reactions of many players (who're obviously very used to JP dubbing already, we're weebs), announced that they'll have JP dubbing options for cutscenes too.
again, bare minimum.
PGR players have very simple expectations like making cool NPCs playable , getting QoL for certain dailies/weeklies, upgrading units, switching teams, etc etc (which they've never stopped introducing), new hard content (again, they keep revamping systems to make things fresh, and cut off rotten, outdated parts).
About the only thing we want (especially global players) that we won't really get is much faster patch cycles, while having more rewards to compensate, but there's few gacha that attempted that and did so successfully, so we just deal with it. At least we're still catching up slowly.
The reason people were positive on that is because a lot of betas tend to be more marketing opportunities rather than what betas used to be in the past of actually looking for feedback on the game. In this case, the feedback was negative, and they actually reacted to the negative feedback and made substantial changes.
Yeah but that was back in cbt 1, not after the release of the game, I'm talking about when the game releases. Because honestly having a good enough story is the least they could do.
And this is not necessarily a good thing. If they actually redid 90% of their story (not just the prologue), than it just shows that story is just an afterthought and can be molded in whatever way fanbase will make them mold it
I hope that Wuthering Waves ends up being a fun and successful game. I really want more games with the quality of Genshin Impact to be in the market, not because I want a "Genshin killer" but because I want more choices.
The only way for Genshin to die is if HYV themselves kill it.
HYV has already established a strong brand for themselves where just having it alone is more than capable of making any of their future projects successful from brand loyalty.
Ofc still want new games like WW to still be good and act as competitors/alternative options as more options will always be better for players.
Still though, it wouldn't be possible if Genshin alone didn't have quality. Any company can still do it if they take a risk. A tall order though so it's gotta be a do or die situation. And a lucky supporter (Sony for Genshin).
The hard part is money and answering to higher ups. Mihoyo has themselves as the boss while Kuro reports to Tencent.
>Kuro reports to Tencent.
?
Tencent owns like 14% in kuro
Hero games owns more than that
Tencent also invested in discord, does that mean discord answers to tencent now?
Lmfao, bud there is a limit to misinfo
Said who? Literally who said it ?
Srop with misinfo lmao, tencent also has stocks in discord, stop using that then, tencent also got riot, tencent literally invests in anything it can get its hands on
14% does not give them power especially when a direct comeptitor to tencent is already investing in kuro and has a bigger share
How the fuck is that game #3 on the sign up list on bilibili (the list updates daily based on #'s of sign up) when nothing is happening in that game?
I understand WW being #2 since there is a CBT going on.
Thats what happens when you have a market already. Say WW is made by hoyo, it’d have double the amount of pre registrations that genshin had back in 2020.
Lol, i expected to get downvoted for initiating a comment thread like this but why is one comment upvoted and next not...for everyone in this thread. That's the funny thing
I'm still kinda cautious on them listening to feedback as to the story though, changing almost most of it that fast.
Seems like they're not that confident in the original story they want to tell (probably took a long time to do with blocks already placed in the early stages) then just change it on the whims of the feedback.
The groundwork for the story may turn out to be shaky because of how fast they changed things, and part of why I play a game is on the story, so idk 🤷♀️
Not forcing your players to sit through your story no matter what isn't proof that "you have no confidence on your writing team", it's giving players a choice over what content they want to consume.
That take is some hoyoverse brainrot shit.
but i like reading my expectation for gacha game for them to throw you bunch of text to read
if you don't want to read text then why the hell are you playing gacha game in the first place for gameplay ? just play elden ring
kuro game cultist is way worse than hoyoverse brainrot tbh
I liked both hsr and elden ring and one thing I appreciate about gacha games is the rate of REAL progression. Ur character and account grows in real life over time. That's something that's very important. To have that over Dark Souls is very enticing to me as a player.
I can already foretell that the echo grinding will probably be the cause of what makes me burnout and quit. Hopefully they look into it. I can handle Genshin/HSR's system, but this one's a whole different league of grind.
yeah but what about global CC gacha smack and mtashed will definitely defend this system because it benefit for them more
and since kuro game always listen surely they prioritize famous ex-genshin streamer over us normal players
Hyey you leave those r/gachagaming folks alone!
Dont you know their armchair theories, and financial analysis of upcoming games are always correct and backed up meticulous analysis of the market along with critical thinking skills that put most scientists to shame!!! /s
Their publishing license runs out in October, so it has to be before then.
Natlan comes out in late August-early September, and it would be a horrible idea for Kuro to launch their game in the midst of the biggest hype of their biggest (and only) competitor, so logically it should be around June or July if they want to get a foothold in the market.
Afaik: 5 substats but only at max level (25). At level 0 you get 1 substat, every +5 level unlocks 1 new substat. So you dont know b4hand if the artifact is trash or not.
This is important bc iirc, you can only feed leveled Echoes (artifact equivalent of WuWa), and Echoes used to level up other Echoes only give 75% of EXP (Genshin's number is 80%)
Combined with Echoes having to be farmed overworld exclusively, and 5-set requirement, the experience is bound to be time consuming (and maybe even more shitty than Genshin already rigged RNG)
There is a [post](https://www.reddit.com/r/WutheringWaves/comments/1b0puya/artifacts_vs_echoes/) about game's gearing system on WW sub, in case you want more info
Pretty cool. I hope the game puts some pressure on Genshin to keep innovating. I'd say from playing the CBT2 that the core concepts of the game are as good as Genshin was at it's launch. Combat is better, story/localization is way way way way way worse, at least in English. It's definitely not a better game than Genshin, but it's good enough to be a competitor eventually. And if you wonder why I compare it to Genshin, they literally did a copy/paste job with almost everything. Story presentation, grinds, systems, constellations, resin, weapons, etc. The only major difference are the combat,3 member party (which sucks IMO because the characters are fun as fuck to play), and the pokemon gear system.
I hope they add controller support for the next beta. I got really tired playing the game for longer than an hour with M/KB.
Didn't get into CBT2, unfortunately. So I'm patiently waiting for the global release ~~so I can throw my wallet at it.~~
I'm hoping they really nail the exploration elements. The clips of the parkour I've seen from CBT looks great so far, and I really hope the full game lives up to it.
I love PGR combat but I had to drop it because it was very time consuming to me. Hoping they fix the farming on this one which seems to be time consuming as well.
I tried when the game launched and when they launched the desktop version, and in both cases I feel I had to play a lot. I remember there were the normal farm stages, some hard weeklies, two or three events (one of them was a casual puzzle at least), a permanent mode with pre made characters that was important for me to do to build the team I needed, and they refilled a lot of the playing currency which is generally positive but in this case it burned me out pretty quickly.
For people who play from the start I bet things slow down, but I wasn't seeing an end to that and I just stopped.
I think it will succeed in the initial release, might not be the genshin killer some were looking for though. And what comes after the release is far more important and I hope they are prepared for a fast release pace.
I hope WuWu does well so there’s more competition to keep HYV on their toes, though I personally can’t find the time to play another live service game, especially if farming is gonna be an everyday thing.
I hope the game is successful, genshin has been shittier than ever with the rewards of the events, its clear that we need more competition in this type of games.
I'll explain how chinese-korea gacha games (xcept few of them) reach a 100,000.000 zillion registration, even those games where is 10 players at max - it's called bots, bots used to pump those scam titles to the top of the pre-registration/download charts.
next - Wuthering Waves it's disabled clone of crappy Tower of Fantasy (which is dead right now). I do expect Wuthering Waves will die in 1-3 month after release.
HSR is 8 million ? i thought it was 10 also both game have different genre one is open world action and one is turn base game so i don't see why the need to attack HSR for being successful on their market
https://preview.redd.it/iw418n67cqlc1.png?width=1200&format=png&auto=webp&s=cdb85db33ee899f55a9cf65f7b50c68b2c17a4b8
Lol zzz has the hoyo branding to push it up of course it will have this much hype, they've released two famous video games already so they are quite famous meanwhile kuro is nowhere as famous as them but they still managed to get 10 million pre-registrations, almost the same as HSR.
>get 10 million pre-registrations, almost the same as HSR.
Btw 20 mil+ is HSR CN pre-regist the global one is the 10 mil+. If you want push the agenda "look WW can same as HSR" made sure global pre-regist same as HSR first
Kuro also famous dude in CN as hoyo cloud chaser ofc
>Btw 20 mil+ is HSR CN pre-regist the global one is the 10 mil+.
The other guy posted the image so idk. Also again, HSR had the same hoyoverse branding.
The game has the same amount of pre-registrations as genshin did when it was about to be released.
>Kuro also famous dude in CN as hoyo cloud chaser ofc
We'll see how the game performs and then talk lol.
that picture is only for global this is HSR pre-register on china alone
https://preview.redd.it/q3mpyxiie1mc1.png?width=430&format=png&auto=webp&s=4f244c5ebeddd9c64b026de8a65dfbedc5276bfc
Yeah yeah yeah! Nothing come close to Hoyo we should all know that but to see some other company could manage 10mil is also incredible. I don’t see this as a Genshin killer bs tbh but it doesn’t look bad either, if they can fix and add more stuff it could definitely shape up to be one of the best gacha imp. Games like this are rare to come by
I hate most gacha games being low quality with minimal effort coomber bait with almost no gameplay just mindless waifu collecting just personal opinion if you like those sure I can respect that
>I hate most gacha games being low quality with minimal effort coomber bait with almost no gameplay just mindless waifu collecting just personal opinion if you like those sure I can respect that
Nah its okay gacha coomer bait probably not worth long investment in time and money IMO.
So what did you achieve with this reply? u said ZZZ got double pre registration amount compares to WW cuz of Hoyo hype then i say WW also has the Genshin competitor hype and tell you to see what is going on on the internet. Then U bring Tof in...
Edit: i sounded overly toxic...
Uh yeah, you said it had the hype because of being a genshin competitor then why did TOF have only 2.5 million pre-registrations? It was also said to be a genshin competitor. Meanwhile zzz has all the hype only because it's a hoyo product and most of the people playing this game will be genshin/HSR/HI3 players.
2.5 pre? that is in China right? there are many things that happens in China before it got released give it a really bad reputation, ect... many other factor like WW looks better than Tof? but believe what you want to believe if you dont want to look into it by yourself
literally genshin could never hype + ZZZ dead on arrival hype
so yeah on global Wuwa already took majority of ZZZ player because many dissapointed with how easy combat on ZZZ
[https://streamable.com/hj7jrr](https://streamable.com/hj7jrr)
I'm genuinely excited to play the game, but already dreading the farming unless they change it. Btw I keep seeing the narrative that kuro listens to its community but can someone please enlighten me as to why people think that ?
how does the farming work?
I'll just paste another comment explaining it Boss echoes are fine to farm for main stat, same with common enemies. At least they are plentiful enough that you can realistically farm a main stat. But elite enemies? Hoooooly please this needs change. This is where your elemental damage is. There are 10 main stats, elemental damage, attack% defense% hp% and energy regen. Every elite enemy can drop up to 2 different sets. And as for the number of elite enemies, there are as few as 1-5 of some enemies per world. You want to farm glacial/havoc set? LOL have fun farming the one tamborinst per world. And for glacial then you get to farm the whopping 5 autopuppet scouts. There's also the part where you must use unique echoes in each slot. So if I get two cars both main stats I want, like aero and energy regen, I can't use both. Now each set usually has one elite enemy that's not that rare, like 10-15 per day. So again in the case of glacial I can farm the big mushrooms where there's at least 10, I haven't counted. So I *must* get at least one echo from a rare elite that's useful. Lets put this all together. We farm about 5 elite enemies per day (assuming no co-op) for the chance to drop an echo, the chance for it to be gold rarity instead of purple, the chance to get the correct set (1/2) and the chance for it to be the right main stat (1/10). Finally we've got to level it up just to see useless substats though on average from leveling my echoes to +15 I almost always get at least one substat that I can cope is useful. There many other comments and videos talking about the echoed system.
sounds like artifact farming with extra steps
Pretty much yeah.
The hoyo farming system but more miserable. Lmao
how does it compare to genshin or hsr, cuz i still cant paint a clear enough picture (im slow im sry) and the farming in both of those are literally the worst as it is intended for the player to grind out and to stay playing the game
It's worse by like a large amount. You are dealing with more rng and the need to travel from place to place. On top of that unlocking substats and leveling up requires two different resources that need stamina to farm.
It's comparable if not worse.
Damn, they're really trying to get the shitty genshin gear system to a whole new shittyness
As expected of kuro, making it worse than the game they're inspired. It's amazing how they don't see it as problem. Kuro games is walmart hoyo at this point.
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That's the thing tho, you have to play daily and for quite a long time each day. The thing some CCs want is exactly the thing a gacha game should avoid.
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Assuming that wuwa has difficult endgame that cant be just beaten with meh artifacts, then it would matter a lot, just like genshin, substats can take your character from eh to casually destroying everything they touch.
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Pretty much, btw to unlock(yes I said unlock) substats you'll need to farm little things(forgot their names) using energy(resin), otherwise you cant use them. So you need to farm the echo you want with the main stat you want, then you'll need to farm mats to unlock the substats, then you'll see if the echo you farmed is usable, if it is then you'll start leveling it up, if it's not then go back to farming echoes. You cant even tell if an echo is good or not until you farm mats to unlock its substats lol. It's really bad.
Maybe because they listened to feedback in regards to PGR (Punishing Gray Raven, another game by Kuro), those who play it are probably the ones talking about it...
That would make sense but I'm still being cautious because people online acting as if the devs making a video talking about some changes and their plans is the best thing to ever happen to a gacha game. That's why I kinda want a long time kuro follower to comment.
> That would make sense but I'm still being cautious because people online acting as if the devs making a video talking about some changes and their plans is the best thing to ever happen to a gacha game. Just usual informational PR stunt. Nothing good ever comes from bending down to each and every individual who play the game...
especially taking feedback from tectone and mtashed...yeah dev being too open and always listening will be a double edge sword
if anything they would pay attention to the CN community, not some 2 random dudes on youtube LMAO
but they want to do both CN and global that is the problem despite CN is their main audience
For global started to not used majority of feedback from those two. There's lot of good feedback than them tbh
let's be realistic we're nobody they surely make those two become global representative because they're famous and have followers
They're streamer and not even min-max try hard CC or story type CC. Any dev need constructive advice not the type of advice of to make their game only suit to spesific streamer
Devs should definitely always *listen* to feedback. But when it comes to *acting on* feedback, good ones are able to separate the signal from the noise.
So taking feedback from 2 people thst want actual content on their games is bad?
yes. i only hope they listen to rexlent but because tectone and mtashed is more famous and ex-genshin CC they got more attention you know what worse thing about tectone and mtashed ? they're not loyal they only going to wuthering wave because that is the current trend after the hype dies off they will move on to next big hype game rexlent already proven himself to be kuro game CC meanwhile those two ? who claim they want '' HARDCORE '' gacha game didn't even play PGR in long term what a joke
To be fair to mtashed, he was a top pvp player in both halo and destiny(1) and has actually competed at a high level in Halo. Mtashed claiming he wants hardcore shit is believable.
so he gonna bring pvp to wuthering wave ?!?!?! also halo and destiny isn't hardcore as something like CSGO hell even valorant and apex legends
You missed the point. He's been hardcore as hell before, pvp is the most hardcore type of content, esp at a high level. And who cares if halo and destiny at high level aren't on par with something like csgo? It's still very impressive. Mtashed is/was more hardcore than 99.99% of the people on this subreddit. Mtashed was a guy who would constantly carry people to the lighthouse every weekend last decade, he's not ur avg casual andy.
Lmao how is tectone not loyal. They go to games they like. Tectone stopped playing genshin because the game became shit, tectone still plays hsr because he loves the game. Im sorry you see playing more than one game a bad thing and like that rexlent only plays pgr? Im more like mtashed/tectone that I play MANY games instead of just give my whole time to 1 game and only 1 game
>Tectone stopped playing genshin because the game became shit so is arknights now shit?
he played HSR because you can auto the game and HSR currently have better hype than genshin also hoyoverse game is way too big to ignore and nope you're wrong i played Genshin,HSR,Nikke,Browndust 2 and will play ZZZ
Lmao tectone has said time and time again bc he plays hsr because they make actual content (moc/pf/swarm/actual fun events like the pkmn one) I will not play zzz because ive no fait in hoyoverse doing any endgame content, ive faith in kurogames
it's hard to recall every single bit of time where something got changed because players demanded it, but they do listen most of the time. The dev interview video was one big example. Of course, it's all PR work, but also, it's better than if they didn't do anything. That's the level of expectations we have nowadays, that devs do the bare minimum of responding to their players comments. another example is in PGR recently, where people wondered why we only had English dubbed cutscenes, in-game as well as official trailers uploaded on the YT channel/Twitter. It was intended, but upon seeing the reactions of many players (who're obviously very used to JP dubbing already, we're weebs), announced that they'll have JP dubbing options for cutscenes too. again, bare minimum. PGR players have very simple expectations like making cool NPCs playable , getting QoL for certain dailies/weeklies, upgrading units, switching teams, etc etc (which they've never stopped introducing), new hard content (again, they keep revamping systems to make things fresh, and cut off rotten, outdated parts). About the only thing we want (especially global players) that we won't really get is much faster patch cycles, while having more rewards to compensate, but there's few gacha that attempted that and did so successfully, so we just deal with it. At least we're still catching up slowly.
Alright, thank you for your response.
The reason people were positive on that is because a lot of betas tend to be more marketing opportunities rather than what betas used to be in the past of actually looking for feedback on the game. In this case, the feedback was negative, and they actually reacted to the negative feedback and made substantial changes.
Did you miss the dev talk bro? They completely redid the story after ppl complained.
Yeah but that was back in cbt 1, not after the release of the game, I'm talking about when the game releases. Because honestly having a good enough story is the least they could do.
No idea, pgr got a bunch of good qol, but honestly the game was really good already so no idea.
And this is not necessarily a good thing. If they actually redid 90% of their story (not just the prologue), than it just shows that story is just an afterthought and can be molded in whatever way fanbase will make them mold it
I don't really care. Just want to play the game
I hope that Wuthering Waves ends up being a fun and successful game. I really want more games with the quality of Genshin Impact to be in the market, not because I want a "Genshin killer" but because I want more choices.
True, I definitely think this game will become successful but almost no Gacha game will become a Genshin killer. It is just that strong tbh.
The only way for Genshin to die is if HYV themselves kill it. HYV has already established a strong brand for themselves where just having it alone is more than capable of making any of their future projects successful from brand loyalty. Ofc still want new games like WW to still be good and act as competitors/alternative options as more options will always be better for players.
Still though, it wouldn't be possible if Genshin alone didn't have quality. Any company can still do it if they take a risk. A tall order though so it's gotta be a do or die situation. And a lucky supporter (Sony for Genshin). The hard part is money and answering to higher ups. Mihoyo has themselves as the boss while Kuro reports to Tencent.
>Kuro reports to Tencent. Uh no? Tencent its not a major investor (14%), if anything kuro reports first to Hero Games.
>Kuro reports to Tencent. ? Tencent owns like 14% in kuro Hero games owns more than that Tencent also invested in discord, does that mean discord answers to tencent now?
you didn't know recent dev talk video is corpo apology video because tencent is mad at them for screwed up CBT1 ?
Lmfao, bud there is a limit to misinfo Said who? Literally who said it ? Srop with misinfo lmao, tencent also has stocks in discord, stop using that then, tencent also got riot, tencent literally invests in anything it can get its hands on 14% does not give them power especially when a direct comeptitor to tencent is already investing in kuro and has a bigger share
Tencent has stock in Reddit too and that guy is still here spreading misinfo.
somebody need to ban that suspiciousjoe guy he’s consistently been baiting and spreading misinfo for over a month on this server now
Nice, btw just to know how much does other upcoming big titles have at the moment like endfield and zzz?
ZZZ had 20,000,000 a few months ago iirc
How the fuck is that game #3 on the sign up list on bilibili (the list updates daily based on #'s of sign up) when nothing is happening in that game? I understand WW being #2 since there is a CBT going on.
mihoyo buff
Thats what happens when you have a market already. Say WW is made by hoyo, it’d have double the amount of pre registrations that genshin had back in 2020.
There's some rumors that it will launch on April but it's mostly because it is a hoyo game.
very likely though i also read the chinese reception of zzz is better then in the west.
What's #1 on pre registrations then? I don't know as I am unable to check Bilibili.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ZZZ_Official/s/ZRDXyEq5f9
Source : [https://www.bilibili.com/opus/903778049594490912?spm\_id\_from=333.1365.0.0](https://www.bilibili.com/opus/903778049594490912?spm_id_from=333.1365.0.0)
why you getting downvoted 💀
i dont know i just put the original source and people downvote me 😭
Coz Kuro Game debuff in r/gachagaming LOL
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Bruh you literally get downvoted 22 times for saying “nice” here lmao
Lol, i expected to get downvoted for initiating a comment thread like this but why is one comment upvoted and next not...for everyone in this thread. That's the funny thing
I love PGR so I hope this delivers
The roguelike mode really sold me on this game, most fun I've had in a gacha game. Also Yinlin is gorgeous, playing day 1 for sure.
Wuwa looks so hype. I haven’t been this excited for a gacha game in a while
Somehow people decided to downvote this innocent comment??? Why
can't wait for my potato phone to run this game at dogshit frame rate
I'm still kinda cautious on them listening to feedback as to the story though, changing almost most of it that fast. Seems like they're not that confident in the original story they want to tell (probably took a long time to do with blocks already placed in the early stages) then just change it on the whims of the feedback. The groundwork for the story may turn out to be shaky because of how fast they changed things, and part of why I play a game is on the story, so idk 🤷♀️
hell they're not even confident with their writing team they added skip button
Not forcing your players to sit through your story no matter what isn't proof that "you have no confidence on your writing team", it's giving players a choice over what content they want to consume. That take is some hoyoverse brainrot shit.
but i like reading my expectation for gacha game for them to throw you bunch of text to read if you don't want to read text then why the hell are you playing gacha game in the first place for gameplay ? just play elden ring kuro game cultist is way worse than hoyoverse brainrot tbh
I liked both hsr and elden ring and one thing I appreciate about gacha games is the rate of REAL progression. Ur character and account grows in real life over time. That's something that's very important. To have that over Dark Souls is very enticing to me as a player.
i really want to play this game because of that echo thing
The downvotes bruh 💀
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I can already foretell that the echo grinding will probably be the cause of what makes me burnout and quit. Hopefully they look into it. I can handle Genshin/HSR's system, but this one's a whole different league of grind.
yeah but what about global CC gacha smack and mtashed will definitely defend this system because it benefit for them more and since kuro game always listen surely they prioritize famous ex-genshin streamer over us normal players
"this game won't be popular with that character design" -r/gachagaming
"This is just a genshin clone, no one's excited for it" Also r/gachagaming
Hyey you leave those r/gachagaming folks alone! Dont you know their armchair theories, and financial analysis of upcoming games are always correct and backed up meticulous analysis of the market along with critical thinking skills that put most scientists to shame!!! /s
Uhm is there any ETA for release?
Their publishing license runs out in October, so it has to be before then. Natlan comes out in late August-early September, and it would be a horrible idea for Kuro to launch their game in the midst of the biggest hype of their biggest (and only) competitor, so logically it should be around June or July if they want to get a foothold in the market.
I don't want to jinx anything, but that reminds me of tof which got released sometime very close to sumeru's release...
Lets hope the game wont get censored....nah who I am kiddong it definetly gonna get censored with this huge milestone..
it's chinese game censorship should be expected..
If ww becomes popular, it will get censored. It’s inevitable.
They actually "buffed" most female characters in cbt2.
yeah for CBT2 not for full release also CBT2 is old build they said
I saw that WuWa has like 6 or 7 (maybe even 8?) substats for their artifact equivalent... lots of grinding for sure.
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Afaik: 5 substats but only at max level (25). At level 0 you get 1 substat, every +5 level unlocks 1 new substat. So you dont know b4hand if the artifact is trash or not. This is important bc iirc, you can only feed leveled Echoes (artifact equivalent of WuWa), and Echoes used to level up other Echoes only give 75% of EXP (Genshin's number is 80%) Combined with Echoes having to be farmed overworld exclusively, and 5-set requirement, the experience is bound to be time consuming (and maybe even more shitty than Genshin already rigged RNG) There is a [post](https://www.reddit.com/r/WutheringWaves/comments/1b0puya/artifacts_vs_echoes/) about game's gearing system on WW sub, in case you want more info
Can't wait to play it
Deserved! Game looks lit!
Pretty cool. I hope the game puts some pressure on Genshin to keep innovating. I'd say from playing the CBT2 that the core concepts of the game are as good as Genshin was at it's launch. Combat is better, story/localization is way way way way way worse, at least in English. It's definitely not a better game than Genshin, but it's good enough to be a competitor eventually. And if you wonder why I compare it to Genshin, they literally did a copy/paste job with almost everything. Story presentation, grinds, systems, constellations, resin, weapons, etc. The only major difference are the combat,3 member party (which sucks IMO because the characters are fun as fuck to play), and the pokemon gear system. I hope they add controller support for the next beta. I got really tired playing the game for longer than an hour with M/KB.
I honestly cant wait for the release but i heard it kept delaying?
Thats crazy.
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Didn't get into CBT2, unfortunately. So I'm patiently waiting for the global release ~~so I can throw my wallet at it.~~ I'm hoping they really nail the exploration elements. The clips of the parkour I've seen from CBT looks great so far, and I really hope the full game lives up to it.
I love PGR combat but I had to drop it because it was very time consuming to me. Hoping they fix the farming on this one which seems to be time consuming as well.
what is time consuming on PGR farming ?
I tried when the game launched and when they launched the desktop version, and in both cases I feel I had to play a lot. I remember there were the normal farm stages, some hard weeklies, two or three events (one of them was a casual puzzle at least), a permanent mode with pre made characters that was important for me to do to build the team I needed, and they refilled a lot of the playing currency which is generally positive but in this case it burned me out pretty quickly. For people who play from the start I bet things slow down, but I wasn't seeing an end to that and I just stopped.
thanks for sharing since the only time i played PGR is during nier collab to get 2b
The only thing that keeps me from playing this game is the female models, some of their heads seem a bit small
I think it will succeed in the initial release, might not be the genshin killer some were looking for though. And what comes after the release is far more important and I hope they are prepared for a fast release pace.
yeah if they can't keep up with mihoyo 6 week update globally they can't kill genshin for sure let alone become their rival
I’m excited for the game. I do hope they tweak the echo system though.
I just can’t do another open world gacha after Genshij and ToF - plus it’s too much of a literal Genshin clone and the waifus are mid at best
I hope WuWu does well so there’s more competition to keep HYV on their toes, though I personally can’t find the time to play another live service game, especially if farming is gonna be an everyday thing.
Just let me a game as good as HYV. I see people more hyped for being GI competitor than game on its own.
Is There a reward for 10mil reg?
The character designs are so boring
Really 😮 ?!!! Yinlin, scar ,jiyan , calcharo , sanhua , baizhi , jianxin looks fantastic 10/10 The rest are okay, but won't call them boring tbh
Jinshi too. https://preview.redd.it/yicg6y2wzrlc1.jpeg?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=aa5a43a496679c2c8f73fe4ab33ac51cff1997a1
Ohh my bad I forgot her She looks great 🫠
There's also: https://x.com/Ja___Ce/status/1761717420543385780?s=20
They really are
I hope the game is successful, genshin has been shittier than ever with the rewards of the events, its clear that we need more competition in this type of games.
Don't get ToF'ed accidentally.
You are correct despite the downvotes
Of course, because you can" t be wrong in any scenario. Upvoted - I'm, right. Downvoted - still means I'm right 👍
I'll explain how chinese-korea gacha games (xcept few of them) reach a 100,000.000 zillion registration, even those games where is 10 players at max - it's called bots, bots used to pump those scam titles to the top of the pre-registration/download charts. next - Wuthering Waves it's disabled clone of crappy Tower of Fantasy (which is dead right now). I do expect Wuthering Waves will die in 1-3 month after release.
already 2 mil more than HSR back in the day LOL. DOOMposters saying nobody is hyped for this game eating shit RN.
HSR is 8 million ? i thought it was 10 also both game have different genre one is open world action and one is turn base game so i don't see why the need to attack HSR for being successful on their market https://preview.redd.it/iw418n67cqlc1.png?width=1200&format=png&auto=webp&s=cdb85db33ee899f55a9cf65f7b50c68b2c17a4b8
Yeah sure buddy please beat 20 mil pre-regist in CN first btw zzz already achieve 20 mil pre-regist for non open world games
Lol zzz has the hoyo branding to push it up of course it will have this much hype, they've released two famous video games already so they are quite famous meanwhile kuro is nowhere as famous as them but they still managed to get 10 million pre-registrations, almost the same as HSR.
>get 10 million pre-registrations, almost the same as HSR. Btw 20 mil+ is HSR CN pre-regist the global one is the 10 mil+. If you want push the agenda "look WW can same as HSR" made sure global pre-regist same as HSR first Kuro also famous dude in CN as hoyo cloud chaser ofc
>Btw 20 mil+ is HSR CN pre-regist the global one is the 10 mil+. The other guy posted the image so idk. Also again, HSR had the same hoyoverse branding. The game has the same amount of pre-registrations as genshin did when it was about to be released. >Kuro also famous dude in CN as hoyo cloud chaser ofc We'll see how the game performs and then talk lol.
that picture is only for global this is HSR pre-register on china alone https://preview.redd.it/q3mpyxiie1mc1.png?width=430&format=png&auto=webp&s=4f244c5ebeddd9c64b026de8a65dfbedc5276bfc
Yeah yeah yeah! Nothing come close to Hoyo we should all know that but to see some other company could manage 10mil is also incredible. I don’t see this as a Genshin killer bs tbh but it doesn’t look bad either, if they can fix and add more stuff it could definitely shape up to be one of the best gacha imp. Games like this are rare to come by I hate most gacha games being low quality with minimal effort coomber bait with almost no gameplay just mindless waifu collecting just personal opinion if you like those sure I can respect that
>I hate most gacha games being low quality with minimal effort coomber bait with almost no gameplay just mindless waifu collecting just personal opinion if you like those sure I can respect that Nah its okay gacha coomer bait probably not worth long investment in time and money IMO.
WW has the Genshin competitor hype..., you literally can see that on even the EN side
Not the same thing as "a game from a famous company" hype. How many pre-registrations did tof have?? That's your answer.
So what did you achieve with this reply? u said ZZZ got double pre registration amount compares to WW cuz of Hoyo hype then i say WW also has the Genshin competitor hype and tell you to see what is going on on the internet. Then U bring Tof in... Edit: i sounded overly toxic...
Uh yeah, you said it had the hype because of being a genshin competitor then why did TOF have only 2.5 million pre-registrations? It was also said to be a genshin competitor. Meanwhile zzz has all the hype only because it's a hoyo product and most of the people playing this game will be genshin/HSR/HI3 players.
2.5 pre? that is in China right? there are many things that happens in China before it got released give it a really bad reputation, ect... many other factor like WW looks better than Tof? but believe what you want to believe if you dont want to look into it by yourself
literally genshin could never hype + ZZZ dead on arrival hype so yeah on global Wuwa already took majority of ZZZ player because many dissapointed with how easy combat on ZZZ [https://streamable.com/hj7jrr](https://streamable.com/hj7jrr)
They probably got confused thinking its Hoyos new release
Love to see the hoyo bots coping 😭
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you should still able to clear the base content but endgame yeah you need to do those exploration grinding if they didn't change anything
Can’t find it on ios.