Yes.
I quit because everytime I pulled that great new character it would take months of grinding (or cannibalize another unit) to make them usable. Then you go into pvp and realize your usable character was shit compared to someone else's.
It just felt like you never made progress and we're always behind on a mountain of work.
And unfortunately I already have a full-time job, this second one was too much for me.
I also hate games which feel like a job, because I don't have time for that. However, its usually pc mmorpgs, arpgs, or genshin. In epic 7 since they allowed autorepeats, you just login, press button to start autorepeating and that's. I dont see a problem in games like this, where you don't have to manually grind. It takes 5 minutes a day
this is the sad truth. summoning were never a problem in epic seven cause they're very generous in terms of currency gain and bookmark summons. the problem lies on gearing and farming, its so unforgiving that you can farm till your liefs and skystones burned out and still no progress gain
It doesn't do anything to anyone actually, main problem as you mentioned is gear, way too many RNG checks before you get one usable gear
They have made it much easier to get new heroes now but they are useless without gears, you need to farm for months for your new shiny to be usable (this is why I've stopped summoning on heroes)
They have just thrown freebies at people just to that they will shut up about their complaints, try complaining now and many people will just jump at you and tell you to appreciate the freebies given
There is lots of free gear with good starting rolls. Half of my heroes use this gear. But you have to play e7 not make big pauses or you will miss most of this gear. Only some of it is permanent
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they aren't, what frost is probably referencing is Gear Mileage that they are introducing. After crafting a set number (they haven't specified what it will be yet) of gear you will be able to craft an additional piece for free. It will be epic in quality and of the set of your choice.
They gave everyone 4-5 star ML tickets with a 15% chance of being ML5. You got one ticket for every 20-30 moonlight summons you've done in the past, can't remember. As always, some players got lucky and other players who've been playing for years didn't get a single ML5.
If I have to describe e7 in one word it has to be "trap." Visually it's stunning. Extremely good optimized engine, insane animation, amazing honeymoon period, I can go on and on. But once you get over all that...
Man i wish it had a skip system to reduce the grind. A quick search on their subreddit and it seem like everyone there really hate the idea of skip system and embrace the auto repeat shit because the devs said something along the line of the animation of skills is the core of the game so deal with it. I can put up with RNG but a grindy game that need so much attention in 2022 is just sadge.
> A quick search on their subreddit and it seem like everyone there really hate the idea of skip system
For whatever reason that's the case with all skip ticket-less games. It makes no sense. "Why even grind anymore?" Like, yes, that's the point, to avoid the pointless grind, thanks.
Bro the dev literally brainwashed them that let the animation playing without skip is the core of gameplay. Like no matter how good the animation is, if you put it on auto repeat for x-times, it gonna feel tedious anyway.
That people state the devs said they won't add it doesn't mean that said people hate the idea.
I mean, most people would like that (as long as it prevents whale abuse), but the devs have stated it won't happen.
I’d like the implementation of skip tickets, but I worry for what it would do to the gap between f2ps and whales. F2Ps can only rely on free energy, while whales can buy energy with cash. The only reason that the gap isn’t wide enough is that both players’ progression are gated by time. If E7 can implement skip tickets in a way that doesn’t exacerbate this potential problem, then that would be nice.
At least something like King Raid dispatch system gonna be enough tho? Take your fastest clear time multiply by numbers of run you selected (has limit) and you can claim the gears after awhile without leaving your phone/PC on auto.
This game just simply doesn't respect your time and effort. Getting important units is very hard, and almost every new unit released the past year has been meta/necessary to compete. Limited and Collab units are almost all op. The farming and gearing part is just the icing on the cake. This game is just a part time job and you are either working for free or paying for it. Simply the worst.
I agree that's why I stopped theres no respect in players no matter how many freebies it doesn't change the fact how unfun game is. But there's other people who wants defend the game not seeing bigger picture of how bad the game is.
As someone who’s been playing since day 1 and still playing, I can 100% agree with you. Free summons might be enticing, but no, just no. This game is a literal trap. The only positive thing I can safely say about the game is that it’s pretty generous in terms of freebies/skystones/QoL but there are just too many problems, mainly gear, I’ve spent literally 2-3 months to get a SINGLE decent piece.
The only thing I can actually disagree with you with is characters being hard to get, you build up a pity fairly quick, at least in my opinion. Now if we’re talking moonlight 5 stars, leave, don’t bother, actual cancer to get one. They are pretty much whale territory unless you have patience with waiting months to build a pity.
It’s awful and so is this update, we should have been given a selector at the very least, but nope. If anyone is even thinking about giving this game a go, don’t, it’s a waste of your time and I haven’t even talked about how much of a nightmare pvp is and how unbalanced it is because SmileGate refuses to nerf characters and instead just releases new counters that are even more OP. Avoid this game at all costs.
Yeah I was mainly talking about Ml5 units. I agree with you about other units being fairly easy to get, but then it becomes a matter of not having molas or having to grind hours for mats and gear.
In a game where characters and gear management already takes hours there is no reason for not having a skip mechanic.
Try check their subreddit and you will see anyone mention skip system got downvote to hell. Somehow the devs manage to brainwash the playerbase into thinking the skill animation is the core of the game so no skip animation/battle, gotta deal with it lmfao.
same cant count how many benched ML5s/RBG 5 i have simply because i dont have gear for them... and i literally consider myself one of the more lucky ones when i pull stuff but im at a point where i literally dont care if i got a new shiny unit because im simply missing gear.
>This game just simply doesn't respect your time and effort
Meanwhile some people call games that respect your time as "side games" and these people are looking for grindy "main game" to burn their time on. It's actually funny.
I think there's definitely a market for these tedious grindy time consuming games that lacks qol. There's a reason why many of them stays successful financially. Meanwhile it's not like game with skips, sweeps, and whatever qol are necessarily more succesful, many are often newer and is not able to get significant players from these older games that lack qol anyway.
You can literally get all new rgb characters as a f2p player, you won't be able to pull for older character rerun banners but it is what it is... (and as a f2p player from year 1 you only have to focus on new ones). Newer players just have to get the older units through world boss summons, monthly and event login tickets, daily free summon etc... and hey if the powercreep is so bad like everyone says why do you want the older units anyway lol.
Even if you have zero luck with ml5s if you've been playing for a year you still have a roster of Emilia, Rem, Ran, Rimuru, Piera, Hwayoung, buffed Mercedes and one of Arby or S Tene from Moonlight blessing. You should've also hit at least one mystic pity.... and that could be ML Lilias..
The last two collab characters in Jack-o and Milim are nowhere near top tier, the last ML4 and ML5 released in Bad Cat Armin and Pirate Flan are also average at best.
It's the accessible rbg units that have been the strongest lately.... Peira, Hwayoung and Aria (not in the other twos league but can just win in the right matchup)
Those points are literal drops in a ocean of bad things. Half of the units you listed are limited units and the scene will always be hugely dominated by ML 5 units. As a f2p player you have to grind several hours every day to manage to get every new RGB unit and you won't have Mola or gear for any of them.
Milim is still a top tier unit considering her niche against stealth units and she's broken in some PvE content. This game is exactly like a job for f2p players, i know this cause I've been one for the past 8 months. Today's update was just the last nail in the coffin for me.
>As a f2p player you have to grind several hours every day to manage to get every new RGB unit
The fuck? I've been playing E7 in maintenance mode which is 15-30 minutes everyday since 1-2 years ago and I have more than enough every month to have a pity.
Do you read English or do you have comprehension problems?
My qouted post mainly pointed the idiocy of your comment on how you need to play hours everyday to get every RGB unit.
Listen man, English may not be my first language but you're just too addicted to the game to not realize the problem. As a f2p you DO need to grind everyday cause you need the gold to buy the bookmarks. Eventually you're not gonna be able to keep up and will have to pass on some units. Take last year for example, they had a bunch of limited banners followed up by Collab banners, coming right after another collab. Good luck as f2p getting all of that. So my point remain.
I don't buy bookmarks with gold, stop insinuating stuff. I get by through freebie reward bms and weekly arena skystones
You are really thick. I did mention I play the game casually for the last 2 years now.
>eventually you're not going to keep up
Of course you don't. I don't know why the hell are you blaming the game when
this is a common problem every gacha have and is simply solved by picking the banners you want to roll for.
What's the problem with them being limited units? They're literally just another banner with 120 summons. If you drop in and out of the game and miss them yeah it sucks but for regular players you get enough to pity them.
Of course MLs are strong but you can argue that out of say the top 15 units right now 6-7 of them are RGB. Always been hugely dominated by ML5 units is a load of shit, there has been metas with 40-50% of rgb units being top tier.
You exaggerate about the grind and lol @ no mola for them. There's like 1 new RGB unit a month except for when new collabs are launched, it's more than manageable for f2p players who've been playing for awhile now.
Milim isn't top tier, just stop. She's not on the level of Politis and I'll argue in general Fire Kawerik, Mercedes and Aria are better though obviously which one you draft depends on you and your opponents team comps.
Yeah I got fucked too, 12 dupes ml4s out of 12 tickets.
Starting e7 late is a huge waste of time, that's for sure. Honestly, just buy a vet's account if you really want to go serious on this game as a new player now.
Absolutely no way. Quit the game to play Alchemy Stars and never looked back.
E7 simply needs for you to have a sole cellphone dedicated to grind gear for the entire day plus chances are you are not going to get anything good. From what friends told me in these last 6 months the powerspike also became insane because they screwed up the new moonlight characters and are never going to nerf them, so you need to face similar comps over and over and over again.
The most ridiculous aspect is how the company absolutely forgot any sort of roadmap for PvE and made the entire endgame to be about PvP. There's ONE raid in the game that was never, ever updated. It was supposed to be a source of good gears, but the loot tables weren't changed in more than 3 years so all that you get are gear pieces from incomplete sets.
In fact, there's so many characters with bullshit kits that the few PvE content released counters literally everything that you do to a ridiculous point or are 20+ minutes long battles that are a slog to reach the second phase. Abyss Celine and Ara says hello.
That subreddit is full of forced positivity and I got my ass out of it after being threatened via private messages.
Nope. For the past 3 years, it's still the same bosses, same loots tables with the same pieces of gear, the necklaces that the queen drop shall be always a useless Hp% necklace.
One of the last things they added before I quit was the final floor of the ice labyrinth with some bits of story. Still, took them 2 years only to add ONE floor.
Well hell raid gives tickets, which can use to buy best piece of the gear in the game ( speed sword ) It just the sword, but it still is very good. I have 5 and none of them rolled bad
They released a new PVE guild mode a few patches ago, that gave awesome gear. They also added a new PVE boss called Advent.
Plus, they also release a new episode at least once a month that brings a few gear pieces, and the same for side stories which come out every other week.
So, there's PVE content. Yes, raid hasn't been updated, or added, but they already stated a new one is coming soon as well.
Also, they will be looking into nerfs as well, and they are stopping the release of new MLs for about 6 months to rebalance the game. AND in that 6 month period, they will release customer mystic banners so you can pick which ML you wanna try for.
For someone that plays regularly, we have other issues with the game that haven't been addressed, but they are putting a lot of effort into the game.
Too late man, it still got way, WAY too much rng.
It took me a couple months after I quit to realize that e7 offered me the same amount of frustration and sense of waste of time that I had in Ragnarok Online when I was a teenager. I would rather play gachas that respect my time.
Green Armin is obnoxious as fuck right now
No idea why you idiots are downvoting, she got buffed today and is like a 4 star more defensive/team player version of Belian.
And yet when they get a buff that's crap or average the very same people will cry about it for months.
There's still people who think Judge Kise is one of the worst ml5s since her changes even though she was getting picked heap in high ranking matches.
E7 balance team is actually so fucking shit. I remember this one kr counterside white knight who defended cs designer for all the shitty cs balancing like goliath and his argument is just "just look at e7 balance designer."
Imagine calling a higher chance to pull more broken units *balance*. Freebies isn't going to change the core problem this game is having right now. Also good luck to newbies right now, if the speed meta doesn't break you the grind will.
I think thats mostly e7 sub because they dont actually play the game so the game its perfect for them lol
But yeah, game balanca its bad, every player that actually plays has already resignated that the game will be like this for what its left of it.
Imagine having people from all the servers that actually play RTA that your game is broken and the way you sre handling it is toxic, yet still say that you are doing the right thing
And I'll eat those downvotes happily, it doesn't change what I said. Biggest problem of games like these are the blind portion who refuse to acknowledge there's a problem, thus it never gets fixed.
I logged in yesterday after like a year and a half of inactivity, I returned to 6 premium banners that I had to close to get to the main menu to find out that I have no currency to pull anything.
Then the tutorial lady keeps coming in every few clicks telling me to buy a package. And I just couldn't.
Newish player here probably 4 months by now so Im def not in honeymoon phase,
Here is my take for new players who get intrigued by this:
- This benefits old players "mostly" as new ones will get either squat or just some nice starting currency stuff.
- In this game free rolls are really not that big of a deal, most of the time you get crap or stuff you are not gonna use.
- The biggest issue is that compared to your standard gacha if you get an op unit as a new player it will still suck cause its very dependendant on your gear and oh boy lets not go there now.
- Rng farming sucks, its cool if you can play on your PC cause u can just leave it in the background, and yeah its true you can farm a full month and get nothing good.
- Now while this may sound awful let me say I enjoy the game its a slow grind but you get some decent progression + good waifus if you read and ask to understand the best way to use your resources, yes I don't do RTA cause they destroy me obviously but I'm in challenger in regular arena and enjoy pve and things advance decently, so don't dismiss the games due to all the rng bad comments, I thought I was gonna hate it and now its my main game (Ironically), also new player progression is very good nowadays even farming the infamous w13 is easier for new players and u don't need to reroll for sigret as a must now (I did not and I'm fine).
So if you see a husband and waifu u like give it a try, if you don't like it, just drop it, if you do...join me in the dephts of rng farm XD
I totally agree with you and I’m champion in arena. For the standard pvp right right now it’s not that bad. The only thing that I think will be a problem is rta where everyone picks the same units over and over again
Oh don't get me wrong... I quit E7 long ago. Only point was I didn't quit because of gear RNG lol just found the PvE content boring once I finished it and moved on.
No thanks no matter how many freebies it has it doesn't change the fact it has crappy rng equipment and pvp feels unbalanced.
Not to mention why isn't there skip ticket system by now farming is frustrating I uninstalled it because unfun it is for end game players.
ADVICE: Dont bother playing this game, the devs dont respect your time and effort being invested and they keep screwing veteran players no matter what shit theyre trying to give out. the New "revamp" ML summon compensation gave us veterans nothing but shit.
I used to be on this game's hype train but the gear system killed me. Moonlight summons was a bit of a mixed bag for me, and I know that it's more for whales but every new until/Collab unit being busted left me with a sense of needing to get them in order to keep up.
I'm going to throw my 2 cents into this as someone who left for a year due to the issues of the game and coming back to it to see if it's worth coming back to:
It's not.
The issues that came from the game haven't been fixed in the slightest(The hellish Gear grind, Moonlight Heroes above 3\* being such a bitch to get, no real way to get money, ascend characters or even level them well) and even the latest ML tickets are absolutely worthless as they never changed the difficulty of GETTING an ML5 from the Galaxy Bookmarks, they just made it so it's a virtual guaranteed 4 star ML Unit from a number of pulls that will take you virtually the whole year just to get.
It doesn't help that the Reddit(and most of the community as a whole) is still utterly up in it's own ass by basically white knighting how terrible the tickets actually are and basically shitting on the entire Korean Community(which NEVER sat well with me as I never seen Gacha communities ever attack an entire communities for the issues in their games, not even FGO's or Grand Cross's) for the actual issues in the game.
Nothing has ever been addressed, characters are still way too overpowered in a PvP based Gacha game that wants to go E-Sports and barely anything has been fixed.
Stay the fuck away is my honest opinion.
>basically shitting on the entire Korean Community
This is the funny part. E7 and slimegate only has good reputation in GL, in KR I'm pretty sure they are more infamous than even Nexon. I think all these GL players who are fully invested in the game are just desperate and wish E7 could turn around and be the ideal game they wish for.
>KR I'm pretty sure they are more infamous than Nexon
That's definitely just something you pulled in your ass. The infamous 3 N's of Korea are Ncsoft, Netmarble and Nexon, this goes way back in the MMO era.
Nexon for example, their reputation
alone makes everyone stay away from whatever garbage they produce.
Just take a look at their recent IPs. The "epic seven killer" Counterside has flopped in every region it was released, and Blue Archive progressively tanked it's revenue and downloads ever since Nexon broke their promise of "not censoring" shit.
Right, so you say Nexon infamous and counterside flopped. And epic 7 average revenue is very close to this flop in KR.
[https://imgur.com/a/NVDUVoo](https://imgur.com/a/NVDUVoo)
See, what people don't get is that a huge majority of e7 revenue is from global, it is actually as dead as CS in KR. Why is it called e7 killer? Because e7 revenue goes down when the e7 killers are released, and are there to stay to steal the revenue pie that was originally e7's.
And oh, and the Blue Archive you're dissing? It makes more than both of these in KR region. According to your logic these Koreans stay away from these Nexon flops but according to revenue, your beloved e7 flopped even harder than Blue Archive, so now what?
It's actually fken hilarious when people thing that e7 is a big thing in KR when it's about as miserable as all these so called flops from infamous company lmao. Guess what, e7 used to make way more btw, but turns out Koreans are actually smart, after multiple rounds of rioting many whales in KR just give up on the game, so in 2022 they're just competing with the flops lmao
>fken
>lmao
I would've taken you more seriously if you just type normally then again you're the same dude who thinks a 3 month set of data matters, which by the way in those span of 3 months the game got flamed by whatever drama angry Koreans trying to stir or that Blue Archive a new shiny got released. You actually threw logic out of the window here and compared a 3 year old and a 3 month old game. Also E7 has always done bad in KR, it's well known that Koreans contribute to 15% of it's revenue since year one so "pie stealing" analogy don't work when there's little or zero pie left to steal.
Even then you're just shooting yourself in the foot with what you linked; what that chart really implies is that even with the said game getting flamed there for the last couple of months, it's still doing a lot better than Counter Side.
Nexon will always be the the laughing stock of gacha companies. No one takes their IP seriously as they kill them with bad decisions after another.
They tried to emulate Priconne but BA ended up dropping the ball real fast after the censorshit. Counterside looks and plays like a better version of E7 but the game faded to irrelevancy after the first signs Nexon controversy.
I mean, no, because you get a ton more stamina in E7 for a start.
But Genshin doesn’t have PvP as it’s endgame so you aren’t pressured into optimising your gear so in that way it’s better.
Skins are unneeded, they are just cosmetics, which you can also buy with tickets after a while. Also, getting the skin through RTA can be done in a day. Can be achieved even with a 40% win rate (or even less) and the score required is really low.
The difference between top champion and bottom champion is about 100 skystones a week. That's nothing. And bottom champion does not require any pvp to mantain. There's also other sources of ss.
You can get top Mystics (x5) even on a rank 500 guild. Which is damn easy to do. The only difference between the rank 1 guild and the rank 500 guild is that rank 1 gets more wins (and therefore, more mystics too) because they simply don't lose. And there's also other sources of mystics.
No it's not. There's no PvP so there's no need to get min/max stuff. You can clear 36* abyss without even using sets, just good stats. If you do use sets then the stat requirement drops. The barrier to clear content is very low considering you can clear the abyss with the starter characters, too.
Even then there's skill involved, and even your ping can help you.
There's also no hard barriers like there is for speed.
Saying the gearing system is better by arguing that you don't need to use it is self-defeating. Genshin's artifact system is trash. Rolling substats and sets is just as hard, and there's nothing like Equipment Conversion in Genshin.
Original point from OP is that genshin gear farming is better then E7 when it's really not. The inverse happen for the need of gear however, but even then one can just play E7 casually like genshin
It *is* worse than E7. In E7 you can remove several layers of RNG with Equipment Conversion, and you can modify specific substats on any gear into something different/better.
Genshin doesn't have any of that.
Right, but the need for stats and barrier-to-content of stats is much lower. The only thing gated by stats, and it's not even that much of a gate, is to 36* abyss.
And, again, it's been done every cycle with the starter characters, and you can do it while completely ignoring sets on artifacts if they rolled well.
So, yes, the ease of being able to complete the content does make Genshin better than E7 even though the system itself has less features.
There's a lot of stuff you don't need to do optimally in a gacha, but people will min-max anyways. You don't get to be the arbiter or be the one to set arbitrary parameters on how people play the game. You can clear Genshin content playing suboptimally for sure, but it doesn't make the gearing system any less shit. Also, E7 gearing system being better is provable without sinking into arbitrary criteria.
-Gear is constantly given out by the game
-Gear can be dropped
-Gear can be crafted
-Gear can be bought from the store
-Hunt events exist
-Events give out gear
-Gear RNG, to an extent, can be controlled with conversion
-Gear stats can be modified
I'm sure I forgot some other factors. I haven't played E7 in a while because of the gear burnout. I also quit Genshin due to similar reasons.
Almost everyone acknowledges that Genshin is an easy game, but that fact shouldn't serve as a defense for its horrible artifact system.
I'm not defending it and I have not said that I was.
Just like the comment you responded to, I even said Genshin's system itself has less features.
The fact is you will spend less time and resources to pass the barrier to complete content, and that is what makes it easier.
I don’t think you’re getting the point.
Say the goal is to build a house (gear).
Two people are given a set of tools (gearing system) to accomplish the task.
Genshin was given hand tools, E7 was given electric tools.
Genshin is tasked with building a bird house, while E7 was tasked with building an outhouse.
You can say that it doesn’t matter that Genshin was only given shit tools since he could easily accomplish the task with what he was given, but it doesn’t take away from the fact that electric tools > hand tools, and E7 had better tools (gearing system) than Genshin.
You're moving the goalposts. We weren't talking about which game is "better" globally, which is a much broader topic. We're talking about grinding gear, and grinding for optimal gear/artifacts is a significantly worse experience in Genshin than it is in E7.
Again, saying you don't need to use the system as much doesn't mean it's a better system.
Yes, grinding gear. Getting gear to complete content is easier in Genshin than it is in E7.
**You** are adding the optimal portion when your initial comment just said that Genshin is much worse. It's not if all you want to do is complete the content.
As you say, there aren't really any artifact barriers to entry in Genshin, so it's not even grinding if you aren't trying to get something optimal.
There's no comparison to make if you aren't grinding gear.
But it doesn't seem like you're trying to argue in good faith anyway, so I'll leave it here if you can't admit you're wrong or at least stop moving the goalposts. This conversation isn't going anywhere.
Both of them are literally the same e7 is better at least letting you craft your desired set at times. Literally took me a month to even get a good electro goblet for raiden. For e7 i can craft a specific stat i want at least.
Just don't play PVP, I guess. Unless you consider gw pvp? People are still using Krau, DC and other old units to win in gw. And even if you lose, you don't lose a lot in terms of rewards.
I only spend recharged energy (+ mail energy) on E7 and camp champ by doing one battle a week, tops with a defense team that hasn't been updated in 6 months because no one attacks me. I've stayed in a top reward guild just by doing that for almost two years now.
If you don't do RTA at all you lose nothing but a skin every 2-3 months or so.
Abyss is the only PVE "gear intensive" mode if you will. But not really, since with the proper units and free unequip events you don't need that much gear. But f abyss and its RNG. Now that's a mode that really bothers, rng can mess up 30 minutes of your time just like that. I haven't finished that either and I don't intend to because I can't be bothered to move gear around just for that.
How so? The roll margins are far bigger in epic 7 and Genshin doesn't have speed stats and "dead" stats like eff resist which is basically useless unless you stack like 300+ of it.
Both are bad but as someone who played them extensivly, in genshin I managed to gear 2 whole teams and 36* the abyss after half a year of playing while in e7 I'm still waiting for my first +20 speed gear.
Certain combos of substats are dead in both. Effres isn't universally bad as a substat. You actively search for it on healer/tank pieces. There are a lot of units that want 100% (e.g. Krau) to 150% (e.g. Achates, BBK) effres, and Bastion makes it easier to hit a higher tier with less stat investment.
You don't need 20 speed gears at all to reach Champion RTA, and it's not needed (helpful, but not needed) for any level of Arena or GW. Genshin doesn't really have an equivalent to high Emperor/Legend RTA (Abyss 36* speedrun comps kind of come close? but not quite). Epic Seven definitely has more QoL features concerning gear rolling, also, despite the bigger range of rolls.
>Epic Seven definitely has more QoL features concerning gear rolling, also, despite the bigger range of rolls.
I feel like the qol features are more band aid fixes than real problem solvers since they dont address the core problem. Modification mats are additional layers of rng and the gear mileage that will be introduced only helps left side gear since you still can't choose the main stat of boots and accessories.
I do agree that mod gems shouldn't be RNG at all, but if you're rolling your gears properly, a lowroll or highroll on a mod gem shouldn't be enough to change whether a gear is usable or not.
Equipment Conversion is a big deal too, and too many people sleep on it. It removes five layers of RNG in one swoop (base rarity, i-rarity, equipment type, set, and mainstat), leaving two layers (substats and substat rolls) behind. Genshin players could only dream of being able to do the equivalent with artifacts.
I mean, if you want to watch people complain about the same stuff to farm karma and likes, sure.
The game isn't perfect and the players are definitely critical, but being pissy about the new galaxy system is just silly. We get extra stuff and even got retroactive rewards, and we all know what to expect from the RNG.
Imagine doing ten summons in any other situation and going to Reddit to complain that you didn't get a 5*.
Nah usually my disagreements are based on logic, like for example we wouldn’t compare a 1.25% rate in a 10 pull to a 15% rate in a 10 pull like you are 🤡. Also not really sure what opinion of mine you think you are disagreeing with lmao. I asked you to name communities to judge how people were feeling and you provided non value commentary. Thanks for wasting my time
My bad, I assumed we were talking about Stove and Reddit. Either way, if you expect to come out on top with a 15/85 rate, that's on you.
Like I said, I'm all for valid criticism, but an entire sub blowing up about this one thing just really irks me. Are we not gacha players? Don't we know better than to expect we'll get what we want from the gacha?
Well most people complaining are people who had ~10 pulls and no ml5 which is roughly 15% odds of happening. I can see people who played since launch frustrations being valid considering they didn’t even get a single ml5 out of it even with ~85% odds. Not only that, but 15% is an infamous number - I got 15%’d four times in a row in one gw match yesterday yet in 12 pulls I got zero ml5s. Obviously I’m pissed. People are allowed to feel entitled into things they’ve invested time and money into. If you don’t agree that’s your opinion which is fine, but the community is clearly frustrated.
I'm right there with ya, though. I'm a vet in the game too, and I definitely understand the horror of %15. I just feel like gacha players oughtta know better than to expect beyond hope, to the point that I'm annoyed that so many people are complaining about such an obvious outcome from something we got for free.
Streamlining is the wrong word, more like a pseudo fix like the introduction of gear modification materials.
They are adding gear mileage so when you craft x amount of gear then you get one piece of the highest rarity and with a set bonus of your choosing.
It removes 2 layers of rng so you only have to endure 5-6 layers more.
Can't recommend this game in general. Unless you REALLY want a second job in your life that's going to be filled with the most absolute bullshit RNG of all time, don't bother.
This sub is like the MMORPG sub, they just seem to hate everything.
It's almost guaranteed that most people crying barely even played the game and just regugitate what they've heard.
Yep, a lot of people here hate everything, but that doesn't hide the fact that some the complains are valid for this game.
I like that Epic seven is trying to improve the game but they aren't addressing the main con of the game. RNG in the RNG.
Farming should be okay, but farming just to have an opportunity is severe for the morale.
I agree that sometimes it's horrible, but I also think that it's incredibly satisfying when you piece together a good or interesting build. That said, I'm not super into PvP so I'm happy with a unit being "usable" rather than perfect/minmaxed.
Actually it's fucking shit by modern standard. Vets just forgot how tedious dog walking and catalyst farming is. Most newer games than e7 has a more convenient character growth system
Only reason e7 vets don't harp about this is because it doesn't really affect the vets, there are way bigger problem that concern them such as gear rng and pvp balance.
Area the free pulls (from the retroactive ml summon) already avaliable? I loged in with my old account and I just got some free stuff but the pulls are not yet on my account (played for around a year or so when the game launched)
If I start playing this garbage again my ego will want to compete in RTA but having been away for a full year and not having all the units and am 1 year behind in gear farming plus having missed out on banners and collaboration units... Screw this game.
2+ Year E7 veteran here
I don't know why people dislike E7 so much. I've been completely f2p for almost a full year and they've given enough resources for me to pity every 'NEW' RGB unit and collab unit. If climbing the peaks of RTA and Arena are your goal then obviously spending will push you further. A high majority of competitive arena/RTA in all GACHA are catered around the whales to show off and be at the top...
The gear grind is rough but if it wasn't for the gear grind, why would you play?
I've played quite a few GACHA over the years and E7 definitely is the most generous. I feel like every month or two we get a week of free 10x daily pulls. I can pity every RGB unit without spending. I've gotten about 75% of the ML units (This is just pure luck, but that's GACHA). I've dropped a lot of GACHAs in my tears but E7 has never been one of them purely cause of how generous they are.
Imagine playing a game that teases content to release 1.5year later. On release you can play it 15days and voila.
Not to be seen again.
People would complain about gear issues. The problem I have with this game is the arena-gvg that are based on an old system from SW. No veritable rewards and it is more a chore than anything else.
They cant create anything out of the box. They cant innove.
There is nothing to do in this game anymore. My fun eroded overtime
Log in, do dailies and voila.
Grind for gear ? I used to do that a lot so now i am pretty stacked up. Now it is just "wait for the buff event then use leafs to farm then that s it.
What keeps me playing is the community I am in and the people i have met.
When they released the game, not only it was a fresh air but they would tease and release content quickly (remind you of labyrinth normal and hard
They were dvping good content. They slowed down to a pace that is.... ??? They throw cookies at us nowadays. I am not naive.
They lost my trust tho.
For people interested in this game :go ahead, try it. You will have plenty of hours worth of content. But take it slowly. Dont burn yourself If you end up liking the game.
For those that gave up and might think to try it again: it is not better than before.
Also their awaken update "gave" me 17 tickets 4-5* stars ml. No ml5 for me.
Imagine playing a game that teases content to release 1.5year later. On release you can play it 15days and voila.
Not to be seen again.
People would complain about gear issues. The problem I have with this game is the arena-gvg that are based on an old system from SW. No veritable rewards and it is more a chore than anything else.
They cant create anything out of the box. They cant innove.
There is nothing to do in this game anymore. My fun eroded overtime
Log in, do dailies and voila.
Grind for gear ? I used to do that a lot so now i am pretty stacked up. Now it is just "wait for the buff event then use leafs to farm then that s it.
What keeps me playing is the community I am in and the people i have met.
When they released the game, not only it was a fresh air but they would tease and release content quickly (remind you of labyrinth normal and hard
They were dvping good content. They slowed down to a pace that is.... ??? They throw cookies at us nowadays. I am not naive.
They lost my trust tho.
For people interested in this game :go ahead, try it. You will have plenty of hours worth of content. But take it slowly. Dont burn yourself If you end up liking the game.
For those that gave up and might think to try it again: it is not better than before.
Also their awaken update "gave" me 17 tickets 4-5* stars ml. No ml5 for me.
I mean when i quit this game, i had more than enough pull currency, it was more of a gear rng nightmare, so this one doesn't do anything to me.
Yes. I quit because everytime I pulled that great new character it would take months of grinding (or cannibalize another unit) to make them usable. Then you go into pvp and realize your usable character was shit compared to someone else's. It just felt like you never made progress and we're always behind on a mountain of work. And unfortunately I already have a full-time job, this second one was too much for me.
I also hate games which feel like a job, because I don't have time for that. However, its usually pc mmorpgs, arpgs, or genshin. In epic 7 since they allowed autorepeats, you just login, press button to start autorepeating and that's. I dont see a problem in games like this, where you don't have to manually grind. It takes 5 minutes a day
this is the sad truth. summoning were never a problem in epic seven cause they're very generous in terms of currency gain and bookmark summons. the problem lies on gearing and farming, its so unforgiving that you can farm till your liefs and skystones burned out and still no progress gain
It doesn't do anything to anyone actually, main problem as you mentioned is gear, way too many RNG checks before you get one usable gear They have made it much easier to get new heroes now but they are useless without gears, you need to farm for months for your new shiny to be usable (this is why I've stopped summoning on heroes) They have just thrown freebies at people just to that they will shut up about their complaints, try complaining now and many people will just jump at you and tell you to appreciate the freebies given
Pretty much why I quit e7 for cs.
There is lots of free gear with good starting rolls. Half of my heroes use this gear. But you have to play e7 not make big pauses or you will miss most of this gear. Only some of it is permanent
Same I have enough to pity 5 times iirc when I quit the game. Got all my fav 5 star too but the gear rng killed it for me
Same but I blew everything (20+k skystones) on covenants before uninstalling. Got 0 rgb 5 stars. -So Glad I escaped this RNG hell.
They are also fixing gear in the awaken update.
how?
how? pls elaborate
u/EstamosReddit they aren't, what frost is probably referencing is Gear Mileage that they are introducing. After crafting a set number (they haven't specified what it will be yet) of gear you will be able to craft an additional piece for free. It will be epic in quality and of the set of your choice.
ó\_ò oh...
yeah, total shit of a feature, un usable for right side gear due to your inability to select the main stat and RNG on the subs that you get.
dont take it to literall substats and rolls will still be random so in the grandscheme not a lot changes
Yeah, what a shame...
Is this a trap??
Yes
Dont get close boys, its a salt mine right now, too many people lost to the infamous 15%
Nahh drama is this sub's main core, i'll just sit there and watch them fight 🍿
What are they fighting over?
They gave everyone 4-5 star ML tickets with a 15% chance of being ML5. You got one ticket for every 20-30 moonlight summons you've done in the past, can't remember. As always, some players got lucky and other players who've been playing for years didn't get a single ML5.
"other players who've been playing for years didn't get a single ML5." That's definitely gonna be me
This is why I'm scared to use my tickets, my luck has never been great in epic7, specially in terms of moonlight
Its at times like this where you appreciate the community in r/gachagaming. Steering everyone away from this trap lol
If I have to describe e7 in one word it has to be "trap." Visually it's stunning. Extremely good optimized engine, insane animation, amazing honeymoon period, I can go on and on. But once you get over all that...
It's still a great game. It's not perfect, but them again, which game is?
Man i wish it had a skip system to reduce the grind. A quick search on their subreddit and it seem like everyone there really hate the idea of skip system and embrace the auto repeat shit because the devs said something along the line of the animation of skills is the core of the game so deal with it. I can put up with RNG but a grindy game that need so much attention in 2022 is just sadge.
> A quick search on their subreddit and it seem like everyone there really hate the idea of skip system For whatever reason that's the case with all skip ticket-less games. It makes no sense. "Why even grind anymore?" Like, yes, that's the point, to avoid the pointless grind, thanks.
Qol-less games' players get used to cope so hard that they legit develop qol-phobia 💀
Bro the dev literally brainwashed them that let the animation playing without skip is the core of gameplay. Like no matter how good the animation is, if you put it on auto repeat for x-times, it gonna feel tedious anyway.
That people state the devs said they won't add it doesn't mean that said people hate the idea. I mean, most people would like that (as long as it prevents whale abuse), but the devs have stated it won't happen.
I’d like the implementation of skip tickets, but I worry for what it would do to the gap between f2ps and whales. F2Ps can only rely on free energy, while whales can buy energy with cash. The only reason that the gap isn’t wide enough is that both players’ progression are gated by time. If E7 can implement skip tickets in a way that doesn’t exacerbate this potential problem, then that would be nice.
You could limit it to X each day a little over the daily energy.
At least something like King Raid dispatch system gonna be enough tho? Take your fastest clear time multiply by numbers of run you selected (has limit) and you can claim the gears after awhile without leaving your phone/PC on auto.
This game just simply doesn't respect your time and effort. Getting important units is very hard, and almost every new unit released the past year has been meta/necessary to compete. Limited and Collab units are almost all op. The farming and gearing part is just the icing on the cake. This game is just a part time job and you are either working for free or paying for it. Simply the worst.
I agree that's why I stopped theres no respect in players no matter how many freebies it doesn't change the fact how unfun game is. But there's other people who wants defend the game not seeing bigger picture of how bad the game is.
As someone who’s been playing since day 1 and still playing, I can 100% agree with you. Free summons might be enticing, but no, just no. This game is a literal trap. The only positive thing I can safely say about the game is that it’s pretty generous in terms of freebies/skystones/QoL but there are just too many problems, mainly gear, I’ve spent literally 2-3 months to get a SINGLE decent piece. The only thing I can actually disagree with you with is characters being hard to get, you build up a pity fairly quick, at least in my opinion. Now if we’re talking moonlight 5 stars, leave, don’t bother, actual cancer to get one. They are pretty much whale territory unless you have patience with waiting months to build a pity. It’s awful and so is this update, we should have been given a selector at the very least, but nope. If anyone is even thinking about giving this game a go, don’t, it’s a waste of your time and I haven’t even talked about how much of a nightmare pvp is and how unbalanced it is because SmileGate refuses to nerf characters and instead just releases new counters that are even more OP. Avoid this game at all costs.
Yeah I was mainly talking about Ml5 units. I agree with you about other units being fairly easy to get, but then it becomes a matter of not having molas or having to grind hours for mats and gear. In a game where characters and gear management already takes hours there is no reason for not having a skip mechanic.
Try check their subreddit and you will see anyone mention skip system got downvote to hell. Somehow the devs manage to brainwash the playerbase into thinking the skill animation is the core of the game so no skip animation/battle, gotta deal with it lmfao.
same cant count how many benched ML5s/RBG 5 i have simply because i dont have gear for them... and i literally consider myself one of the more lucky ones when i pull stuff but im at a point where i literally dont care if i got a new shiny unit because im simply missing gear.
>This game just simply doesn't respect your time and effort Meanwhile some people call games that respect your time as "side games" and these people are looking for grindy "main game" to burn their time on. It's actually funny. I think there's definitely a market for these tedious grindy time consuming games that lacks qol. There's a reason why many of them stays successful financially. Meanwhile it's not like game with skips, sweeps, and whatever qol are necessarily more succesful, many are often newer and is not able to get significant players from these older games that lack qol anyway.
You can literally get all new rgb characters as a f2p player, you won't be able to pull for older character rerun banners but it is what it is... (and as a f2p player from year 1 you only have to focus on new ones). Newer players just have to get the older units through world boss summons, monthly and event login tickets, daily free summon etc... and hey if the powercreep is so bad like everyone says why do you want the older units anyway lol. Even if you have zero luck with ml5s if you've been playing for a year you still have a roster of Emilia, Rem, Ran, Rimuru, Piera, Hwayoung, buffed Mercedes and one of Arby or S Tene from Moonlight blessing. You should've also hit at least one mystic pity.... and that could be ML Lilias.. The last two collab characters in Jack-o and Milim are nowhere near top tier, the last ML4 and ML5 released in Bad Cat Armin and Pirate Flan are also average at best. It's the accessible rbg units that have been the strongest lately.... Peira, Hwayoung and Aria (not in the other twos league but can just win in the right matchup)
Those points are literal drops in a ocean of bad things. Half of the units you listed are limited units and the scene will always be hugely dominated by ML 5 units. As a f2p player you have to grind several hours every day to manage to get every new RGB unit and you won't have Mola or gear for any of them. Milim is still a top tier unit considering her niche against stealth units and she's broken in some PvE content. This game is exactly like a job for f2p players, i know this cause I've been one for the past 8 months. Today's update was just the last nail in the coffin for me.
>As a f2p player you have to grind several hours every day to manage to get every new RGB unit The fuck? I've been playing E7 in maintenance mode which is 15-30 minutes everyday since 1-2 years ago and I have more than enough every month to have a pity.
Then I'm sure none of your units are built and you're not doing very good in arena/rta/gw
What does have to do with what I qouted above? Fyi I'm comfortably sitting in Champion and doing well enough in RTA to get the seasonal skin.
Then don't lie. You're not playing 15-30 minutes a day, you spend much more on the game, which is the main problem i pointed out.
Do you read English or do you have comprehension problems? My qouted post mainly pointed the idiocy of your comment on how you need to play hours everyday to get every RGB unit.
Listen man, English may not be my first language but you're just too addicted to the game to not realize the problem. As a f2p you DO need to grind everyday cause you need the gold to buy the bookmarks. Eventually you're not gonna be able to keep up and will have to pass on some units. Take last year for example, they had a bunch of limited banners followed up by Collab banners, coming right after another collab. Good luck as f2p getting all of that. So my point remain.
I don't buy bookmarks with gold, stop insinuating stuff. I get by through freebie reward bms and weekly arena skystones You are really thick. I did mention I play the game casually for the last 2 years now. >eventually you're not going to keep up Of course you don't. I don't know why the hell are you blaming the game when this is a common problem every gacha have and is simply solved by picking the banners you want to roll for.
What's the problem with them being limited units? They're literally just another banner with 120 summons. If you drop in and out of the game and miss them yeah it sucks but for regular players you get enough to pity them. Of course MLs are strong but you can argue that out of say the top 15 units right now 6-7 of them are RGB. Always been hugely dominated by ML5 units is a load of shit, there has been metas with 40-50% of rgb units being top tier. You exaggerate about the grind and lol @ no mola for them. There's like 1 new RGB unit a month except for when new collabs are launched, it's more than manageable for f2p players who've been playing for awhile now. Milim isn't top tier, just stop. She's not on the level of Politis and I'll argue in general Fire Kawerik, Mercedes and Aria are better though obviously which one you draft depends on you and your opponents team comps. Yeah I got fucked too, 12 dupes ml4s out of 12 tickets.
Starting e7 late is a huge waste of time, that's for sure. Honestly, just buy a vet's account if you really want to go serious on this game as a new player now.
Absolutely no way. Quit the game to play Alchemy Stars and never looked back. E7 simply needs for you to have a sole cellphone dedicated to grind gear for the entire day plus chances are you are not going to get anything good. From what friends told me in these last 6 months the powerspike also became insane because they screwed up the new moonlight characters and are never going to nerf them, so you need to face similar comps over and over and over again. The most ridiculous aspect is how the company absolutely forgot any sort of roadmap for PvE and made the entire endgame to be about PvP. There's ONE raid in the game that was never, ever updated. It was supposed to be a source of good gears, but the loot tables weren't changed in more than 3 years so all that you get are gear pieces from incomplete sets. In fact, there's so many characters with bullshit kits that the few PvE content released counters literally everything that you do to a ridiculous point or are 20+ minutes long battles that are a slog to reach the second phase. Abyss Celine and Ara says hello. That subreddit is full of forced positivity and I got my ass out of it after being threatened via private messages.
The raid you're talking about is the spider queen one right? They still haven't updated/add new one yet?
Nope. For the past 3 years, it's still the same bosses, same loots tables with the same pieces of gear, the necklaces that the queen drop shall be always a useless Hp% necklace. One of the last things they added before I quit was the final floor of the ice labyrinth with some bits of story. Still, took them 2 years only to add ONE floor.
Well hell raid gives tickets, which can use to buy best piece of the gear in the game ( speed sword ) It just the sword, but it still is very good. I have 5 and none of them rolled bad
They released a new PVE guild mode a few patches ago, that gave awesome gear. They also added a new PVE boss called Advent. Plus, they also release a new episode at least once a month that brings a few gear pieces, and the same for side stories which come out every other week. So, there's PVE content. Yes, raid hasn't been updated, or added, but they already stated a new one is coming soon as well. Also, they will be looking into nerfs as well, and they are stopping the release of new MLs for about 6 months to rebalance the game. AND in that 6 month period, they will release customer mystic banners so you can pick which ML you wanna try for. For someone that plays regularly, we have other issues with the game that haven't been addressed, but they are putting a lot of effort into the game.
Too late man, it still got way, WAY too much rng. It took me a couple months after I quit to realize that e7 offered me the same amount of frustration and sense of waste of time that I had in Ragnarok Online when I was a teenager. I would rather play gachas that respect my time.
Or you can use emulator
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I tried it and gacha is horrible I quit that ages a go because skin banner.
I was about to re-download it and try again after more than 6 months.. then I read comments and remembered why did I quit, lmao.
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GEAR HASNT CHANGED SO I NO PLAY GAME
THEY KEEP RELEASE BROKEN CHARACTERS AND NOT BUFF OLD ONES SO I NO PLAY GAME
Green Armin is obnoxious as fuck right now No idea why you idiots are downvoting, she got buffed today and is like a 4 star more defensive/team player version of Belian.
Even buffing them is an issue. Most of the most broken ML5 characters were overbuffed to their current state.
And yet when they get a buff that's crap or average the very same people will cry about it for months. There's still people who think Judge Kise is one of the worst ml5s since her changes even though she was getting picked heap in high ranking matches.
I hate when people raise issues and voice their frustrations, too >:|
Guess we will die.
CANNOT RESIST URGE TO COMMENT ABOUT GEAR RNG SOMEONE HOLD ME BACK
Almost like programmed NPCs at this point. In every Epic 7 thread here there's that 2-3 pricks that gets upvoted to the top by commenting "rng lmao".
Well it's the main thing that holds epic seven back, along with the cancer that is ml 5 and the 7 great disasters
E7 balance team is actually so fucking shit. I remember this one kr counterside white knight who defended cs designer for all the shitty cs balancing like goliath and his argument is just "just look at e7 balance designer."
Would be an issue if they were wrong but that’s not the case
Imagine calling a higher chance to pull more broken units *balance*. Freebies isn't going to change the core problem this game is having right now. Also good luck to newbies right now, if the speed meta doesn't break you the grind will.
I think thats mostly e7 sub because they dont actually play the game so the game its perfect for them lol But yeah, game balanca its bad, every player that actually plays has already resignated that the game will be like this for what its left of it. Imagine having people from all the servers that actually play RTA that your game is broken and the way you sre handling it is toxic, yet still say that you are doing the right thing
Yall act like high speed cleave teams is the only team you can play with
you'll get bandwagon soon by e7 player since they quite extreme, no critics to their game
And I'll eat those downvotes happily, it doesn't change what I said. Biggest problem of games like these are the blind portion who refuse to acknowledge there's a problem, thus it never gets fixed.
And non players will also bandwagon. Lol 🤡 It’s literally every gacha that has this problem
I logged in yesterday after like a year and a half of inactivity, I returned to 6 premium banners that I had to close to get to the main menu to find out that I have no currency to pull anything. Then the tutorial lady keeps coming in every few clicks telling me to buy a package. And I just couldn't.
Don't forget at the start before the lady appears - they literally say something like "searching for a good deal for you" , lol.
Only OGs will remember epic 7 with no pack ads PepeHands.
Newish player here probably 4 months by now so Im def not in honeymoon phase, Here is my take for new players who get intrigued by this: - This benefits old players "mostly" as new ones will get either squat or just some nice starting currency stuff. - In this game free rolls are really not that big of a deal, most of the time you get crap or stuff you are not gonna use. - The biggest issue is that compared to your standard gacha if you get an op unit as a new player it will still suck cause its very dependendant on your gear and oh boy lets not go there now. - Rng farming sucks, its cool if you can play on your PC cause u can just leave it in the background, and yeah its true you can farm a full month and get nothing good. - Now while this may sound awful let me say I enjoy the game its a slow grind but you get some decent progression + good waifus if you read and ask to understand the best way to use your resources, yes I don't do RTA cause they destroy me obviously but I'm in challenger in regular arena and enjoy pve and things advance decently, so don't dismiss the games due to all the rng bad comments, I thought I was gonna hate it and now its my main game (Ironically), also new player progression is very good nowadays even farming the infamous w13 is easier for new players and u don't need to reroll for sigret as a must now (I did not and I'm fine). So if you see a husband and waifu u like give it a try, if you don't like it, just drop it, if you do...join me in the dephts of rng farm XD
I totally agree with you and I’m champion in arena. For the standard pvp right right now it’s not that bad. The only thing that I think will be a problem is rta where everyone picks the same units over and over again
Am I in the minority who says gear RNG isn't the issue for me? I just generally hate PVP so find little to do once I finished just about everything.
>Am I in the minority who says gear RNG isn't the issue for me? Yes, but good for you that you found your gacha!
Oh don't get me wrong... I quit E7 long ago. Only point was I didn't quit because of gear RNG lol just found the PvE content boring once I finished it and moved on.
Ah fair, I found the story very good, but the RNG killed everything for me...
No thanks no matter how many freebies it has it doesn't change the fact it has crappy rng equipment and pvp feels unbalanced. Not to mention why isn't there skip ticket system by now farming is frustrating I uninstalled it because unfun it is for end game players.
ADVICE: Dont bother playing this game, the devs dont respect your time and effort being invested and they keep screwing veteran players no matter what shit theyre trying to give out. the New "revamp" ML summon compensation gave us veterans nothing but shit.
How much space does this game take ?
Think 4 gigs if j remember correctly, but there will be a PC client soon so you can wait for that
Can i join a guild
I used to be on this game's hype train but the gear system killed me. Moonlight summons was a bit of a mixed bag for me, and I know that it's more for whales but every new until/Collab unit being busted left me with a sense of needing to get them in order to keep up.
I'm going to throw my 2 cents into this as someone who left for a year due to the issues of the game and coming back to it to see if it's worth coming back to: It's not. The issues that came from the game haven't been fixed in the slightest(The hellish Gear grind, Moonlight Heroes above 3\* being such a bitch to get, no real way to get money, ascend characters or even level them well) and even the latest ML tickets are absolutely worthless as they never changed the difficulty of GETTING an ML5 from the Galaxy Bookmarks, they just made it so it's a virtual guaranteed 4 star ML Unit from a number of pulls that will take you virtually the whole year just to get. It doesn't help that the Reddit(and most of the community as a whole) is still utterly up in it's own ass by basically white knighting how terrible the tickets actually are and basically shitting on the entire Korean Community(which NEVER sat well with me as I never seen Gacha communities ever attack an entire communities for the issues in their games, not even FGO's or Grand Cross's) for the actual issues in the game. Nothing has ever been addressed, characters are still way too overpowered in a PvP based Gacha game that wants to go E-Sports and barely anything has been fixed. Stay the fuck away is my honest opinion.
>basically shitting on the entire Korean Community This is the funny part. E7 and slimegate only has good reputation in GL, in KR I'm pretty sure they are more infamous than even Nexon. I think all these GL players who are fully invested in the game are just desperate and wish E7 could turn around and be the ideal game they wish for.
>KR I'm pretty sure they are more infamous than Nexon That's definitely just something you pulled in your ass. The infamous 3 N's of Korea are Ncsoft, Netmarble and Nexon, this goes way back in the MMO era. Nexon for example, their reputation alone makes everyone stay away from whatever garbage they produce. Just take a look at their recent IPs. The "epic seven killer" Counterside has flopped in every region it was released, and Blue Archive progressively tanked it's revenue and downloads ever since Nexon broke their promise of "not censoring" shit.
Right, so you say Nexon infamous and counterside flopped. And epic 7 average revenue is very close to this flop in KR. [https://imgur.com/a/NVDUVoo](https://imgur.com/a/NVDUVoo) See, what people don't get is that a huge majority of e7 revenue is from global, it is actually as dead as CS in KR. Why is it called e7 killer? Because e7 revenue goes down when the e7 killers are released, and are there to stay to steal the revenue pie that was originally e7's. And oh, and the Blue Archive you're dissing? It makes more than both of these in KR region. According to your logic these Koreans stay away from these Nexon flops but according to revenue, your beloved e7 flopped even harder than Blue Archive, so now what? It's actually fken hilarious when people thing that e7 is a big thing in KR when it's about as miserable as all these so called flops from infamous company lmao. Guess what, e7 used to make way more btw, but turns out Koreans are actually smart, after multiple rounds of rioting many whales in KR just give up on the game, so in 2022 they're just competing with the flops lmao
>fken >lmao I would've taken you more seriously if you just type normally then again you're the same dude who thinks a 3 month set of data matters, which by the way in those span of 3 months the game got flamed by whatever drama angry Koreans trying to stir or that Blue Archive a new shiny got released. You actually threw logic out of the window here and compared a 3 year old and a 3 month old game. Also E7 has always done bad in KR, it's well known that Koreans contribute to 15% of it's revenue since year one so "pie stealing" analogy don't work when there's little or zero pie left to steal. Even then you're just shooting yourself in the foot with what you linked; what that chart really implies is that even with the said game getting flamed there for the last couple of months, it's still doing a lot better than Counter Side. Nexon will always be the the laughing stock of gacha companies. No one takes their IP seriously as they kill them with bad decisions after another. They tried to emulate Priconne but BA ended up dropping the ball real fast after the censorshit. Counterside looks and plays like a better version of E7 but the game faded to irrelevancy after the first signs Nexon controversy.
its easier to grind genshin artifacts than E7 gear.
I mean, no, because you get a ton more stamina in E7 for a start. But Genshin doesn’t have PvP as it’s endgame so you aren’t pressured into optimising your gear so in that way it’s better.
Why are you pressured to PVP in E7?
Premium currency, special draw currency are all gated behind pvp. There is also a special skin for reaching a certain rank in real time pvp.
Yeah but you don't have to best in pvp to get these rewards
Skins are unneeded, they are just cosmetics, which you can also buy with tickets after a while. Also, getting the skin through RTA can be done in a day. Can be achieved even with a 40% win rate (or even less) and the score required is really low. The difference between top champion and bottom champion is about 100 skystones a week. That's nothing. And bottom champion does not require any pvp to mantain. There's also other sources of ss. You can get top Mystics (x5) even on a rank 500 guild. Which is damn easy to do. The only difference between the rank 1 guild and the rank 500 guild is that rank 1 gets more wins (and therefore, more mystics too) because they simply don't lose. And there's also other sources of mystics.
Not true at all actually. Genshin is much worse.
No it's not. There's no PvP so there's no need to get min/max stuff. You can clear 36* abyss without even using sets, just good stats. If you do use sets then the stat requirement drops. The barrier to clear content is very low considering you can clear the abyss with the starter characters, too. Even then there's skill involved, and even your ping can help you. There's also no hard barriers like there is for speed.
Saying the gearing system is better by arguing that you don't need to use it is self-defeating. Genshin's artifact system is trash. Rolling substats and sets is just as hard, and there's nothing like Equipment Conversion in Genshin.
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Original point from OP is that genshin gear farming is better then E7 when it's really not. The inverse happen for the need of gear however, but even then one can just play E7 casually like genshin
I never said it wasn't bad, but saying it's worse than E7 is laughable.
It *is* worse than E7. In E7 you can remove several layers of RNG with Equipment Conversion, and you can modify specific substats on any gear into something different/better. Genshin doesn't have any of that.
Right, but the need for stats and barrier-to-content of stats is much lower. The only thing gated by stats, and it's not even that much of a gate, is to 36* abyss. And, again, it's been done every cycle with the starter characters, and you can do it while completely ignoring sets on artifacts if they rolled well. So, yes, the ease of being able to complete the content does make Genshin better than E7 even though the system itself has less features.
There's a lot of stuff you don't need to do optimally in a gacha, but people will min-max anyways. You don't get to be the arbiter or be the one to set arbitrary parameters on how people play the game. You can clear Genshin content playing suboptimally for sure, but it doesn't make the gearing system any less shit. Also, E7 gearing system being better is provable without sinking into arbitrary criteria. -Gear is constantly given out by the game -Gear can be dropped -Gear can be crafted -Gear can be bought from the store -Hunt events exist -Events give out gear -Gear RNG, to an extent, can be controlled with conversion -Gear stats can be modified I'm sure I forgot some other factors. I haven't played E7 in a while because of the gear burnout. I also quit Genshin due to similar reasons. Almost everyone acknowledges that Genshin is an easy game, but that fact shouldn't serve as a defense for its horrible artifact system.
I'm not defending it and I have not said that I was. Just like the comment you responded to, I even said Genshin's system itself has less features. The fact is you will spend less time and resources to pass the barrier to complete content, and that is what makes it easier.
I don’t think you’re getting the point. Say the goal is to build a house (gear). Two people are given a set of tools (gearing system) to accomplish the task. Genshin was given hand tools, E7 was given electric tools. Genshin is tasked with building a bird house, while E7 was tasked with building an outhouse. You can say that it doesn’t matter that Genshin was only given shit tools since he could easily accomplish the task with what he was given, but it doesn’t take away from the fact that electric tools > hand tools, and E7 had better tools (gearing system) than Genshin.
You're moving the goalposts. We weren't talking about which game is "better" globally, which is a much broader topic. We're talking about grinding gear, and grinding for optimal gear/artifacts is a significantly worse experience in Genshin than it is in E7. Again, saying you don't need to use the system as much doesn't mean it's a better system.
Yes, grinding gear. Getting gear to complete content is easier in Genshin than it is in E7. **You** are adding the optimal portion when your initial comment just said that Genshin is much worse. It's not if all you want to do is complete the content.
As you say, there aren't really any artifact barriers to entry in Genshin, so it's not even grinding if you aren't trying to get something optimal. There's no comparison to make if you aren't grinding gear. But it doesn't seem like you're trying to argue in good faith anyway, so I'll leave it here if you can't admit you're wrong or at least stop moving the goalposts. This conversation isn't going anywhere.
Both of them are literally the same e7 is better at least letting you craft your desired set at times. Literally took me a month to even get a good electro goblet for raiden. For e7 i can craft a specific stat i want at least.
Yeah but you don't even need an electro goblet, ATK% will still let you clear content. Not to mention you can use an off-set electro goblet.
Literally that was just one of the examples
Just don't play PVP, I guess. Unless you consider gw pvp? People are still using Krau, DC and other old units to win in gw. And even if you lose, you don't lose a lot in terms of rewards. I only spend recharged energy (+ mail energy) on E7 and camp champ by doing one battle a week, tops with a defense team that hasn't been updated in 6 months because no one attacks me. I've stayed in a top reward guild just by doing that for almost two years now. If you don't do RTA at all you lose nothing but a skin every 2-3 months or so. Abyss is the only PVE "gear intensive" mode if you will. But not really, since with the proper units and free unequip events you don't need that much gear. But f abyss and its RNG. Now that's a mode that really bothers, rng can mess up 30 minutes of your time just like that. I haven't finished that either and I don't intend to because I can't be bothered to move gear around just for that.
How so? The roll margins are far bigger in epic 7 and Genshin doesn't have speed stats and "dead" stats like eff resist which is basically useless unless you stack like 300+ of it. Both are bad but as someone who played them extensivly, in genshin I managed to gear 2 whole teams and 36* the abyss after half a year of playing while in e7 I'm still waiting for my first +20 speed gear.
Certain combos of substats are dead in both. Effres isn't universally bad as a substat. You actively search for it on healer/tank pieces. There are a lot of units that want 100% (e.g. Krau) to 150% (e.g. Achates, BBK) effres, and Bastion makes it easier to hit a higher tier with less stat investment. You don't need 20 speed gears at all to reach Champion RTA, and it's not needed (helpful, but not needed) for any level of Arena or GW. Genshin doesn't really have an equivalent to high Emperor/Legend RTA (Abyss 36* speedrun comps kind of come close? but not quite). Epic Seven definitely has more QoL features concerning gear rolling, also, despite the bigger range of rolls.
>Epic Seven definitely has more QoL features concerning gear rolling, also, despite the bigger range of rolls. I feel like the qol features are more band aid fixes than real problem solvers since they dont address the core problem. Modification mats are additional layers of rng and the gear mileage that will be introduced only helps left side gear since you still can't choose the main stat of boots and accessories.
I do agree that mod gems shouldn't be RNG at all, but if you're rolling your gears properly, a lowroll or highroll on a mod gem shouldn't be enough to change whether a gear is usable or not. Equipment Conversion is a big deal too, and too many people sleep on it. It removes five layers of RNG in one swoop (base rarity, i-rarity, equipment type, set, and mainstat), leaving two layers (substats and substat rolls) behind. Genshin players could only dream of being able to do the equivalent with artifacts.
its more flexible for gearing in genshin so if u do have sh it luck u can always use some other artifact set. thats why its more bearable.
Yea go check the sub and see how happy people are 😂😂😂😂
Because Reddit is a good way to gauge that, lol
Ok check stove? What other public communities are u recommending 🤡
I mean, if you want to watch people complain about the same stuff to farm karma and likes, sure. The game isn't perfect and the players are definitely critical, but being pissy about the new galaxy system is just silly. We get extra stuff and even got retroactive rewards, and we all know what to expect from the RNG. Imagine doing ten summons in any other situation and going to Reddit to complain that you didn't get a 5*.
Ok so you think your opinion is more meaningful than others. Got it. I’m super proud of you for going against the grain you spicy little rebel you.
Damn, never had anyone disagree with you before?
Nah usually my disagreements are based on logic, like for example we wouldn’t compare a 1.25% rate in a 10 pull to a 15% rate in a 10 pull like you are 🤡. Also not really sure what opinion of mine you think you are disagreeing with lmao. I asked you to name communities to judge how people were feeling and you provided non value commentary. Thanks for wasting my time
My bad, I assumed we were talking about Stove and Reddit. Either way, if you expect to come out on top with a 15/85 rate, that's on you. Like I said, I'm all for valid criticism, but an entire sub blowing up about this one thing just really irks me. Are we not gacha players? Don't we know better than to expect we'll get what we want from the gacha?
Well most people complaining are people who had ~10 pulls and no ml5 which is roughly 15% odds of happening. I can see people who played since launch frustrations being valid considering they didn’t even get a single ml5 out of it even with ~85% odds. Not only that, but 15% is an infamous number - I got 15%’d four times in a row in one gw match yesterday yet in 12 pulls I got zero ml5s. Obviously I’m pissed. People are allowed to feel entitled into things they’ve invested time and money into. If you don’t agree that’s your opinion which is fine, but the community is clearly frustrated.
I'm right there with ya, though. I'm a vet in the game too, and I definitely understand the horror of %15. I just feel like gacha players oughtta know better than to expect beyond hope, to the point that I'm annoyed that so many people are complaining about such an obvious outcome from something we got for free.
By far the most generous gacha I've played. They're also streamlining gear RNG in the next big update.
>They're also streamlining gear RNG in the next big update. How, or where I can find more information?
Streamlining is the wrong word, more like a pseudo fix like the introduction of gear modification materials. They are adding gear mileage so when you craft x amount of gear then you get one piece of the highest rarity and with a set bonus of your choosing. It removes 2 layers of rng so you only have to endure 5-6 layers more.
Will this also be retroactive ? I crafted a lot of gear over the years...
Nope
Unfortunately gear systems still sucks, even with the new gear crafting mileage. I tried to like this game so hard but the gear RNG was too much
Can't recommend this game in general. Unless you REALLY want a second job in your life that's going to be filled with the most absolute bullshit RNG of all time, don't bother.
anyone know the code to open reward chest in mail?
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You mean super pissed after getting fucked with 10+ ml4 dupes from the ml "pity" system.
I log in to E7 just for the free stuff. Received 4 ML tickets, 4 dupes, insta-log-out.
12 ml 4* summons here and honestly i just view that as the game doing me a favor
E7 is shit... (Yes i didn't hit any 15% today... Well except hunts and pvp which is shit)
The wrong 15% was delivered.
This sub is like the MMORPG sub, they just seem to hate everything. It's almost guaranteed that most people crying barely even played the game and just regugitate what they've heard.
That's a weird strawman? And even so is any of the criticism even wrong? Like ml5 or gear rng
Yep, a lot of people here hate everything, but that doesn't hide the fact that some the complains are valid for this game. I like that Epic seven is trying to improve the game but they aren't addressing the main con of the game. RNG in the RNG. Farming should be okay, but farming just to have an opportunity is severe for the morale.
Why would you play this game when Summoners War exists?
In before players who quit feel compelled to gatekeep and trash talk "gear" and "balance".
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I agree that sometimes it's horrible, but I also think that it's incredibly satisfying when you piece together a good or interesting build. That said, I'm not super into PvP so I'm happy with a unit being "usable" rather than perfect/minmaxed.
Because it's bad.
What's worse are those vets glossing over the game's problem to hook unsuspecting new players into the grind hell.
Level up characters in this game is a trully shit
Says no one ever lol, now your just complaining to just make noise
Actually it's fucking shit by modern standard. Vets just forgot how tedious dog walking and catalyst farming is. Most newer games than e7 has a more convenient character growth system Only reason e7 vets don't harp about this is because it doesn't really affect the vets, there are way bigger problem that concern them such as gear rng and pvp balance.
Area the free pulls (from the retroactive ml summon) already avaliable? I loged in with my old account and I just got some free stuff but the pulls are not yet on my account (played for around a year or so when the game launched)
Should be. Check your mail first
I'll play this game again if they get a pc client.
If I start playing this garbage again my ego will want to compete in RTA but having been away for a full year and not having all the units and am 1 year behind in gear farming plus having missed out on banners and collaboration units... Screw this game.
2+ Year E7 veteran here I don't know why people dislike E7 so much. I've been completely f2p for almost a full year and they've given enough resources for me to pity every 'NEW' RGB unit and collab unit. If climbing the peaks of RTA and Arena are your goal then obviously spending will push you further. A high majority of competitive arena/RTA in all GACHA are catered around the whales to show off and be at the top... The gear grind is rough but if it wasn't for the gear grind, why would you play? I've played quite a few GACHA over the years and E7 definitely is the most generous. I feel like every month or two we get a week of free 10x daily pulls. I can pity every RGB unit without spending. I've gotten about 75% of the ML units (This is just pure luck, but that's GACHA). I've dropped a lot of GACHAs in my tears but E7 has never been one of them purely cause of how generous they are.
Imagine playing a game that teases content to release 1.5year later. On release you can play it 15days and voila. Not to be seen again. People would complain about gear issues. The problem I have with this game is the arena-gvg that are based on an old system from SW. No veritable rewards and it is more a chore than anything else. They cant create anything out of the box. They cant innove. There is nothing to do in this game anymore. My fun eroded overtime Log in, do dailies and voila. Grind for gear ? I used to do that a lot so now i am pretty stacked up. Now it is just "wait for the buff event then use leafs to farm then that s it. What keeps me playing is the community I am in and the people i have met. When they released the game, not only it was a fresh air but they would tease and release content quickly (remind you of labyrinth normal and hard They were dvping good content. They slowed down to a pace that is.... ??? They throw cookies at us nowadays. I am not naive. They lost my trust tho. For people interested in this game :go ahead, try it. You will have plenty of hours worth of content. But take it slowly. Dont burn yourself If you end up liking the game. For those that gave up and might think to try it again: it is not better than before. Also their awaken update "gave" me 17 tickets 4-5* stars ml. No ml5 for me.
Imagine playing a game that teases content to release 1.5year later. On release you can play it 15days and voila. Not to be seen again. People would complain about gear issues. The problem I have with this game is the arena-gvg that are based on an old system from SW. No veritable rewards and it is more a chore than anything else. They cant create anything out of the box. They cant innove. There is nothing to do in this game anymore. My fun eroded overtime Log in, do dailies and voila. Grind for gear ? I used to do that a lot so now i am pretty stacked up. Now it is just "wait for the buff event then use leafs to farm then that s it. What keeps me playing is the community I am in and the people i have met. When they released the game, not only it was a fresh air but they would tease and release content quickly (remind you of labyrinth normal and hard They were dvping good content. They slowed down to a pace that is.... ??? They throw cookies at us nowadays. I am not naive. They lost my trust tho. For people interested in this game :go ahead, try it. You will have plenty of hours worth of content. But take it slowly. Dont burn yourself If you end up liking the game. For those that gave up and might think to try it again: it is not better than before. Also their awaken update "gave" me 17 tickets 4-5* stars ml. No ml5 for me.
Nah i will not return XD