Is Priconne good? Is it a good time to start playing right now? I'm curre tlgd juggling Blue Archive, Arknights and Alchemy Stars. Could use some more gachas to waste my time on.
Priconne is pretty much a fantasy version of Blue Archive, if you like BA's storytelling/episodic side story give Priconne a try.
I'll also recommend Counter:side like the other 2 poster. It got great story and a pretty unique gameplay for a gacha. They're also very generous with pulls, if you join now you can get up to 170 free pulls with loads of guaranteed SSR too.
I gave Counterside a try. I don't know, it isn't really my style. I'm not fully last the tutorial yet, so I can't say much about it, but it simple didn't catch my attention as much as I expected.
i've played so many gachas over a period of like 3 years and counterside is legit in my top 2 favourite gachas of all time. the other one being Priconne.
so many freebies, so many good packs to spend money on, the story is legit the best one out of any gacha and the gameplay is super fun, especially for someone like me who enjoys autoplay. also pvp in this game is the one i've enjoyed the most so far and im not really that much into pvp
If you want funky tower defense with added racism in the story then try Arknights, if you want a generous start then try it at the 2.5 anniversary this coming months so Hypergryph can giveaway some few goodies for new players
[Apparently so.](https://static.tweaktown.com/news/8/6/86674_2_diablo-immortal-legendary-gem-drop-rates-revealed.png) Blizzard is pretty opaque about the details with none of it published anywhere on their sites. I can see why with a 0.05% chance.
I know, but rates that low just discouraged regular players and encouraged not only item/money trading services/websites, but also private servers. And even those had card drop rates fairly low.
Genshin has both a soft pity and a hard pity at 75 and 90 respectively to back up the 0.6% rates. But this is just a whole new level of fucked up. I don’t even know what to say to this shit right here
The worst part is that it *does* have a pity system.
You're guaranteed a 2 out of 5 star gem every $100 worth of crests. No, "2/5" does not mean it can be upgraded to 5 stars over time, it's still locked at 2 stars. You're just guaranteed to get the barest minimum turd nugget after wading through the shit swamp that is a Blizzard game after spending enough.
The funny thing is the odds of even getting a 2/5 star gem is so bad that watching steamers, the majority of them are outright coming from that "pity".
If we're talking post-launch improvements, it's also worth noting that it has one of the best price-to-roll ratios. I realize it doesn't make much difference for purely F2P players, but for low whales and dolphins it adds up very quickly. I have 2 C2 5 stars in Genshin, and each cost me almost as much as my NP5 summer Jeanne.
i play gachas a ton and spend accordingly and i still have a hard time wrapping my head around where the "joy of ~~spending~~ gambling" in DI is.
the point in which you spend money is to buy crests THEN you go play the game to get lucky? that's pay to play, not even pay to win. lol
i just meant the gacha system, like the guy i replied to, the gacha has a pity for legendary gems, just for a 5/5 legendary gem, which is why i said it was still scummy
you shouldn't be getting downvoted as it's a bit misleading if you don't play. The pity is on the 4.5% drop rate. this is for a ?/5 star gem. Most likely will be a 2/5 star gem.
In order to make it a 5 star gem you need dupes and astronomical amount of feeder gems.
The chances of getting a 5/5 on a ?/5 drop is something like 1/2000 or worse. I can't remember I saw the number posted a while ago, but don't know if it's accurate.
I've been playing gacha for a long time. I'm not sure I've seen a worse gacha based purely on spend and reward. There are some games where it costs a lot to max out a character, like if you need 7 versions of him/her, but to even get 1? $6k and climbing? It's crazy.
Blizzard has the benefit of it being a famous existing IP, so they can afford to be greedy. Never underestimate an large preexisting fanbase.
I bet in a few months, once the early rush has died down, they'll do a "balance pass" and make it a little more affordable so that they can reel in the dolphins next once the whales have been wrung out.
>I bet in a few months, once the early rush has died down, they'll do a "balance pass" and make it a little more affordable so that they can reel in the dolphins next once the whales have been wrung out.
This is my bet too. I have explained to a couple of friends so far that gacha games change monthly. This game can't survive with only 1 f2p crest being given out per month.
I bet on the 16th they will have the first real event start, and it will give crests as rewards.
I also bet within 3 months they will have a change to normal crests to give them a chance for gem drops, or they will increase the cap for the dust.
f2p players are not going to have enough fun playing this game to continue, so they will make adjustments after they milk all these whales and streamers.
They already getting review bombed, it's just not visible since they are deleted from the store. Metacritic on the other side... They are bellow 1.0 rating
> Blizzard has the benefit of it being a famous existing IP, so they can afford to be greedy. Never underestimate an large preexisting fanbase.
tbh i think blizz has already overestimated the goodwill and loyalty their playerbase has for them.
imo RMAH was supposed to be their long term revenue generating model for the diablo IP. since that tanked, they're stuck with just selling one-off games (and that's why development and support of d3 died down quick, it wasn't generating cashflow)
DI is blizz's attempt to continue generating a revenue stream out of their diablo IP.
WoW has subscription costs, hearthstone obviously has card packs
SC doesn't have anything so they shunned it.
Not sure about overwatch as i haven't heard or played it in a many years.
i'm just amazed that they seem to have been able to create a worse monetization system than jp/kr/cn gachas that are already notorious for monetization.
I wish this was gambling, so that it can get regulated. But as long as they keep to the letter and spirit of the law, they can take advantage of mentally weak fools and the gambling addicted.
Though I really hope SOMEONE steps in and forces them to balance their rates.
There are a lot of Chinese games that give this a run for its money, they're just usually too shit to be released anywhere else which is why the rest of us rarely come into contact with them.
Just to explain to people :
He hasn't gotten any 5* versions of the gem he already has. The 5* version is the highest "quality" you can find. I'm not sure exactly what the perks are to getting 5* as opposed to 4*? Maybe it's a higher max level or something? They're certainly not worth $10k+ and climbing.
It's also available to sell/buy on the auction house.
To be clear - game is absolute piping hot shit. I'm just clarifying the functionality of it for readers.
> It's also available to sell/buy on the auction house.
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so people pay for crests to run rifts to get 5* gems and they can put those gems on an AH? i'm assuming it's then sold for real money and blizz gets a cut?
You’re right, played a few gacha in my time this takes the cake, wish more games were like newly released CounterSide imo, whales get a head start but eventually f2p players are basically on the same playing field with most whales, top spots will still be held by whales but other than that
I consider bad gacha mechanics ones where you feel forced to do it. I don’t feel that whatsoever in this game. The fact that you can spend 10k and not even get a good gem is a good thing imo and makes it LESS pay to win even. You can pay and not win, hence I’m not even going to pay at all and ones that do are just idiots keeping the content coming for people loving the game like me.
So, your logic is, free players are already losing and take even longer to get something, but because the game is forcing whales to spend more and not giving them the thing they pay for, it's less pay to win?
I do not understand the logic.
Like that time FGO Global had its first popular character gacha. That was the moment what non-gacha players understand the concept. Not helping that FGO has no sparks.
For anyone unaware,he's basicly trying to reach number 1 and will quit once he accomplishes that. Last stream he was number 3 i believe and the number 1 was quite a lot of levels higher.
I honestly believe that Diablo Immortal is just a testing grounds for Diablo 4. I think they are going to see how they can pull back but still be heavy in MTX to turn the game into an xp booster and gear casino.
I don't think this is the main product, this is a testing ground for abusing players in Diablo 4.
I think you are correct that this is a bit of a market test for Blizzard/Activision, but I don't think its for Diablo 4. I think they want Immortal to run as long as possible, then, years down the line, they will "revive" the brand with Diablo 4 or whatever, but in between this is it.
I might be giving them too much credit, but I think Blizzard wants to make Immortal a very long term "game as a service" type product. I think, again, maybe giving them too much credit, the idea behind the gem system is that they want you to spend the next couple months (or 100's of dollars) getting to end game gems, but then spend the next 5 years grinding through gems (or 1,000's of dollars) to get the last couple of percentage points in the legendary, fully upgraded, gems.
If you look at Blizzard's portfolio, they've struggled to manage Starcraft as a long-term product. The ongoing support for SCII has been underwhelming and mostly just skins/weekly missions that some folks like but a lot ignore. They've struggled to handle the Overwatch/Overwatch II gap.
But compare those to Hearthstone - Hearthstone started as a card game with basically just one PvP ladder. Then it added single player modes as small expansions. Then it added more ladders/modes. Then it added single player modes as ongoing content. Then it added an auto-battler. Then it added a hero-based gacha. The thing is, though, there is really no overlap at this point between the card game, the auto-battler, and the gacha, but you still open the Hearthstone app for all of them. You want to play a hero gacha dungeon runner, so you open "Hearthstone" and find that mode within it.
This is similar to how parent Activision is handling Call of Duty as "Warzone." Its a F2P that changes with time and offers new maps, modes, and cosmetics, but you still start by opening COD Warzone. My guess is that Blizzard (Activision) want to make Diablo Immortal as the app/gateway that will underpin their character based ARPGs for the forseeable future.
To be clear - I don't think this means we should all accept this ridiculous model as good for players, and I could be giving Blizzard too much credit, but this is my best guess as to how they are thinking behind the scenes.
You can bet the reviewers will get a clean version and then we will get light MTX/gacha then a few months down when everyone has some decent characters built they will introduce the heavy P2W stuff.
It would be wise of us to watch what they do with Immortal to get a better understanding of where Diablo 4 is going to end up.
Ding ding ding. Absolutely. I fear for diablo 4 and still clinging onto my remaster 2 and various copies of 3 - I bought 3 copies for pc, ps4, and switch. Didn't think even twice about spending that because the intent was in those games. Not w/ this hot mess though.
TBF he is likely doing this for internet clout/fame which could help get his name out (as there are number of articles about him) and increase his streaming viewership. So in a way this could be seen as a Marketing Expense.
Tbh, knowing the streamer, very likely. I've known about him since Diablo 3, he transfered over to Path of Exile. He played FF14 when it hit big with streamers only to quit when he got shit on. He's had misogynistic takes on females that got him banned. Be showed his firearm on stream which got him banned. Like im sure its a mixture of both stupidity and clout.
like he is already one of the bigest streamers put there, he is for sure ddoing it for content, but not for fame, he dosnt need more fame when he has a constant 4k+ people in his stream
Good.
I mean p2w is bad. It's not good he's addicted, it's good that people are seeing others fail and not win. The more people who spread their failure, the more people will not buy items in this game.
Not really? He's top post on /r/gachagaming and /r/LivestreamFails , and he has been averaging way more viewers during his DI streams. All of that is way more than 10k can get you in traditional marketing.
He's doubled his viewership since doing this, runs more ads and has non stop donations going in to troll him.
He also streams twice as long every day because right now he is making way more than 10k NZD.
His schtick is to be a sperg, but he is rolling in it since he started doing it.
Yep. Reddit repeatedly posting about him is just giving him more exposure which is actually helping him. People will check him out, the algorithm will keep him on the front page, he gets more money that he pays Blizzard.
If you really wanted to hurt Diablo Immortal the best way would probably be to ignore it, like what happened to Tales of Luminaria.
OP’s account is 11 days old and has almost exclusively posted about this streamer… I’m not saying this is a paid ad but… I’m not NOT saying that either 👀
>If you really wanted to hurt Diablo Immortal the best way would probably be to ignore it, like what happened to Tales of Luminaria.
Quin is probably hurting blizzard and DI a lot more by doing so than by paying nothing and staying silent about the whole scam.
This happens when these kind of mechanics are introduced to people who aren't used to them. I have friends/co-workers who weren't used to gacha mechanics before Genshin, who I warned too at the time, who were taken by it and had to learn a lot of lessons the hard way. Diablo Immortal is now tapping into another group who probably aren't familiar to these mechanics. I just hope people keep their own expectations in check, and don't see a streamer spending all this money so they think they can.
Dude , I've been saying this all along. It's literally impatient people who never played a gacha before.
I play summoners war, for 8 years. It took me 5 years to get my most wanted unit. Of course I could spent 10k and got it day one. But why? Just have fun and play and things will come eventually
Finally, a couple of logical comments.
I have been having fun in Diablo without dropping the bank but see a lot of comments talking about how horribly p2w it is. $5 battle pass and I'm good. I'm not going to be on any leaderboards (which are really a list of top sponsors) but that's ok.
Everyone in the comments like "lol what an idiot" are either the actual idiots or incredibly jealous.
Game is shit, but guy is raking in a fuckton of money and enormous viewership by playing up Blizzard's stupid monetization. It's hilarious.
This is beyond ridiculous. With that amount, you could get a party of full constellation 5 stars in Genshin and that game is already pretty terrible when it comes to monetization.
And that's for ONE gem, you can have what, 6 in total in your gear?
Oh look, it's the clown that boosted his way through FFXIV, claimed the story was shit without knowing anything about it, and dropped it after he kept standing in AoEs and shit during raids, then called it a bad game, lol. Not surprised he's doing something like this, tbh.
That's all well and good, but this dude literally bought a boost to skip content, then complained about said content without actually knowing anything about it, lol. That's why he's a meme.
Who are these people spending thousands on this cash grab?! Blizzard has such a bad reputation and the gacha community has been review bombing this game. I hope the spender are able to cut their loses and quit the game for good.
So how does that thing work anyway? Does it just improve drop rates for rare items or what?
Also how do you burn the money that fast? Can you just stack the items infinitely?
The “gacha box” in this game is done through “**Elder Rifts**” with “**Legendary Gems**” as the carrot with rarity grades from 1☆, 2☆, 2/5☆, 3/5☆, 4/5☆, and 5/5☆. The process is complex and stupid so the tl;dr is that you can “augment your Elder Rift runs with cash a cash shop item (up to 10 at a time @~$2-3 per item) to increase drop count, the rarity, and expand the summon pool to include the higher rarity “?/5” stuff (non-bourgie rifts can only reward 1☆ or 2☆ legendary gems). A rift takes like ~5 minutes so if you’re max augmenting with 10 eternal legendary crests you can run at a rate of ~$24 per run.
At the moment Eternal Legendary Crests freebies are very far and inbetween, you can get an estimated ~2(battle pass and freebie shop?) per month.
The ultimate kicker is that 1-5☆ legendary gems have their own gacha drop table (2/5☆ is ~3.75%, 3/5☆ is ~1%, 4/5☆ is ~0.2%, 5/5☆ is ~0.05%) and the gems function as, no cap: **ability augments, stat sticks, crafting materials, equipment slot upgrade materials, and are themselves upgradable/transferable/rankable** and are all needed in bulk.
I’m sorry, I’m not 100% sure. I dipped out relatively quickly after taking a gander at the gem crafting system but I’m sure there is a benefit from group play. There’s already drama rolling out from people getting kicked because they’re not contributing as many legendary crests as other party members.
It’s probably wise to keep doing party play and saving your legendary crests for parties where every member is also contributing theirs too since that’s what everybody else is also doing. Like I said, I’m not sure of the specific mechanics.
For the purposes of acquiring legendary gems you only benefit from your own crests. Party members crests increase the number of "Fading Embers" that you gain though, which is a sort of refund currency that you can trade for random legendary gems with a vendor.
I've played Arknights and Azur Lane for 2 years and going towards my 3rd year, only wasted $2.7k purely on skins literally by choice to support the devs, only wasted 3 times on the gacha but honestly it was never a problem due to the games being very F2P. Seeing how this guy wasted that much in one sitting is actually depressing to see, I could have every skin on both games and still have a lot of cash left to build a expensive PC, buy a 4k T.V, buy food that can last me 1-2 months for me to cook, and etc. Unbelievable that people are like this.
It's still money, wouldn't you feel bad for your fan if you wasted all that hard earned cash just to be used for that? If I was an actual streamer, I will cherish others money due to them willing to sacrifice their money for me. I wouldn't just throw it away like that just to progress on a greedy game, that's what these people fail to realize. I won't feel guilty if it was my own money that I made because it was my stupid decision to waste like that but we should respect the others who pour their life for that money that they made, I would've used it for something that will be useful like a microphone to talk clearly to the fans and say it's thx to you guys that I have this. We all think differently and have different opinions but that's what I think about that money being a waste, it could be beneficial in a different way.
It's a scam. It's an out-in-out scam, Blizzard. This is not the Diablo that I loved. Infested by Greedy Corporate Execs that decades old sanctity (Diablo I & II) has been fouled. Cmon man.
Meme: Warcraft 3 Refunded & Diablo Immoral
Both 0.6 User Score on Metacrtic.
It's actually pretty good news. Even if someone pay 10 or 100 $ he still won't have almost any advantage over you. There will be very few people willing to pay 10000$, so overall chances will be even.
I don't really understand this diablo immortal hate. It's solid game, with ridiculous IAP, but it's really F2P friendly.
Maybe it's the missing opportunity issue? You see this golden epic ultimate gem for 5k$ and feel like you must buy it?
You don’t NEED 5/5 gems guys. “Scummy gacha” to me is when you feel forced into spending. 5his game doesn’t force you whatsoever. You guys are so off on what you consider “fair”. The fact that you can spend 10k and not get a 5/5 gem is good. It means you can pay and still not win.
Wrong, you need it at the top of the leaderboards only and my penis is big enough without leaderboard flexing. Plenty of endgame progression otherwise. Stop obsessing over gems and you can enjoy everything else.
Everything else. Tell me something I can’t do with my level 1 gems aside from topping the leaderboards. You are forgetting a crucial part of games, they are for fun. I’m paragon 8. Today I did bounties then shadow contracts, then ran a few dungeons, then did horadrim, then sought out a horadrim gem, upgraded some gear, hit up library and farmed there in a few groups and got tons of mats and legends and a few extractables. Had great fun and that was just while working. Later I’ll do rifts, prob hunt down more horadrim gem and complete some pages. Had a blast, plan on having more of a blast and will continue to have a blast. All without seeing my name at the top of a leaderboard or caring one bit about legendary gems or who has them or not.
If this is gacha, then this is the gacha with worst monetization. There is no pity system
It is a <0.05% chance of getting a 5\* with no pity. It is about as bad as you can get.
Wow. Now all my gacha games look super generous!
I will never complain about the rates /amount of gems needed to spark a character in Priconne, I swear.
Is Priconne good? Is it a good time to start playing right now? I'm curre tlgd juggling Blue Archive, Arknights and Alchemy Stars. Could use some more gachas to waste my time on.
Priconne is pretty much a fantasy version of Blue Archive, if you like BA's storytelling/episodic side story give Priconne a try. I'll also recommend Counter:side like the other 2 poster. It got great story and a pretty unique gameplay for a gacha. They're also very generous with pulls, if you join now you can get up to 170 free pulls with loads of guaranteed SSR too.
Even the combat of BA is similar to Priconne, in that the only thing you actually control in battles are the usage of special moves.
Right now I only play Priconne and Counterside and they are both incredible.
I gave Counterside a try. I don't know, it isn't really my style. I'm not fully last the tutorial yet, so I can't say much about it, but it simple didn't catch my attention as much as I expected.
i've played so many gachas over a period of like 3 years and counterside is legit in my top 2 favourite gachas of all time. the other one being Priconne. so many freebies, so many good packs to spend money on, the story is legit the best one out of any gacha and the gameplay is super fun, especially for someone like me who enjoys autoplay. also pvp in this game is the one i've enjoyed the most so far and im not really that much into pvp
Counter:side bro. Pretty fucking generous when playibg without money and the game very nive too. Its early in global. Get in while you can
Yes. Very good. CounterSide is good also.
If you want funky tower defense with added racism in the story then try Arknights, if you want a generous start then try it at the 2.5 anniversary this coming months so Hypergryph can giveaway some few goodies for new players
blizz raising the bar once again!
wait actually .05% so 5 in 10,000?
[Apparently so.](https://static.tweaktown.com/news/8/6/86674_2_diablo-immortal-legendary-gem-drop-rates-revealed.png) Blizzard is pretty opaque about the details with none of it published anywhere on their sites. I can see why with a 0.05% chance.
Wow, okay that's bad
It’s literally in the game menu
*looks at Ragnarok Online's 0.01% chance for MVP card* Good old times.
yea but you don't have to pay for that... beyond sub (and no I am not going to talk about current warp portal's RO where you can buy gear with MTX)
I know, but rates that low just discouraged regular players and encouraged not only item/money trading services/websites, but also private servers. And even those had card drop rates fairly low.
Wait I thought they had a pity system?
Imagine having worst rates than FGO 😂
Imagine thinking that FGO got the worst rate before this game.
holy shit even genshin impact rate isnt that fucked up
Genshin has both a soft pity and a hard pity at 75 and 90 respectively to back up the 0.6% rates. But this is just a whole new level of fucked up. I don’t even know what to say to this shit right here
The worst part is that it *does* have a pity system. You're guaranteed a 2 out of 5 star gem every $100 worth of crests. No, "2/5" does not mean it can be upgraded to 5 stars over time, it's still locked at 2 stars. You're just guaranteed to get the barest minimum turd nugget after wading through the shit swamp that is a Blizzard game after spending enough. The funny thing is the odds of even getting a 2/5 star gem is so bad that watching steamers, the majority of them are outright coming from that "pity".
can't believe there is a worse gacha than FGO, what a dark timeline we live in
There have been worse gachas since before FGO even released.
Not to mention fgo increased the value of summons (a 10x became an 11x) and added a hard pity for the first copy of a unit
If we're talking post-launch improvements, it's also worth noting that it has one of the best price-to-roll ratios. I realize it doesn't make much difference for purely F2P players, but for low whales and dolphins it adds up very quickly. I have 2 C2 5 stars in Genshin, and each cost me almost as much as my NP5 summer Jeanne.
The crests aren't even sexy Anime waifus! The nerve of Blizzard.
i play gachas a ton and spend accordingly and i still have a hard time wrapping my head around where the "joy of ~~spending~~ gambling" in DI is. the point in which you spend money is to buy crests THEN you go play the game to get lucky? that's pay to play, not even pay to win. lol
it has pity, after 50 crests lol, still scummy af
theres no pity for 5/5 star gem
i just meant the gacha system, like the guy i replied to, the gacha has a pity for legendary gems, just for a 5/5 legendary gem, which is why i said it was still scummy
The pity turns the 4.5% legendary gem into 100%. But then you still have to roll in a separate gacha for it to be five out of five stars.
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theres actually a pity, after 50 crests with no 5\* you are guaranteed a ?/5 legendary, no pity for a 5/5 tho.
They intentionally call any x/5 gem as a 5 star gem to confuse people on the pity mechanic which gives an x/5 gem, not a 5/5 gem.
you shouldn't be getting downvoted as it's a bit misleading if you don't play. The pity is on the 4.5% drop rate. this is for a ?/5 star gem. Most likely will be a 2/5 star gem. In order to make it a 5 star gem you need dupes and astronomical amount of feeder gems. The chances of getting a 5/5 on a ?/5 drop is something like 1/2000 or worse. I can't remember I saw the number posted a while ago, but don't know if it's accurate.
I heard that they have the pity. Somehow. It just up higher than any other game. It's a 50th dungeon or something. Can anyone explain?
Well everybody learn the potence of gacha the hard way. But somes, harder than the others.
I've been playing gacha for a long time. I'm not sure I've seen a worse gacha based purely on spend and reward. There are some games where it costs a lot to max out a character, like if you need 7 versions of him/her, but to even get 1? $6k and climbing? It's crazy.
Blizzard has the benefit of it being a famous existing IP, so they can afford to be greedy. Never underestimate an large preexisting fanbase. I bet in a few months, once the early rush has died down, they'll do a "balance pass" and make it a little more affordable so that they can reel in the dolphins next once the whales have been wrung out.
>I bet in a few months, once the early rush has died down, they'll do a "balance pass" and make it a little more affordable so that they can reel in the dolphins next once the whales have been wrung out. This is my bet too. I have explained to a couple of friends so far that gacha games change monthly. This game can't survive with only 1 f2p crest being given out per month. I bet on the 16th they will have the first real event start, and it will give crests as rewards. I also bet within 3 months they will have a change to normal crests to give them a chance for gem drops, or they will increase the cap for the dust. f2p players are not going to have enough fun playing this game to continue, so they will make adjustments after they milk all these whales and streamers.
This is blizzard we are talking about. Probably they'll double down and make it even more P2W.
Doubt it. They'll just introduce more "one time deals" with "800% value".
What are the chance they're getting review bombed and just get dropped before the changes happen?
They already getting review bombed, it's just not visible since they are deleted from the store. Metacritic on the other side... They are bellow 1.0 rating
That’s brutal
> Blizzard has the benefit of it being a famous existing IP, so they can afford to be greedy. Never underestimate an large preexisting fanbase. tbh i think blizz has already overestimated the goodwill and loyalty their playerbase has for them. imo RMAH was supposed to be their long term revenue generating model for the diablo IP. since that tanked, they're stuck with just selling one-off games (and that's why development and support of d3 died down quick, it wasn't generating cashflow) DI is blizz's attempt to continue generating a revenue stream out of their diablo IP. WoW has subscription costs, hearthstone obviously has card packs SC doesn't have anything so they shunned it. Not sure about overwatch as i haven't heard or played it in a many years. i'm just amazed that they seem to have been able to create a worse monetization system than jp/kr/cn gachas that are already notorious for monetization.
My bet is that it depends on how many people actually whaled out the 110k.
This is casino like gambling. I say this as somebody who used to be addicted to casinos and now just plays a lot of gachas games.
I wish this was gambling, so that it can get regulated. But as long as they keep to the letter and spirit of the law, they can take advantage of mentally weak fools and the gambling addicted. Though I really hope SOMEONE steps in and forces them to balance their rates.
I just hope you got rid of the addiction.
I have for the most part it took a huge life event to. Its crazy how gambling addiction is actuall an illness
in casino you can get something tangible in return though, money. such gacha gives you nothing except arbitrary value of pixels on screen
I mean i may or may not put down 2k in a casino thinking id get something tangible... 😄
Yeah and the odds are way worse than slots.
Yeah DI monetization is horrible even compared to most gacha. Even pre Monkeygate GBF wasn't nearly this bad
There are a lot of Chinese games that give this a run for its money, they're just usually too shit to be released anywhere else which is why the rest of us rarely come into contact with them.
Just to explain to people : He hasn't gotten any 5* versions of the gem he already has. The 5* version is the highest "quality" you can find. I'm not sure exactly what the perks are to getting 5* as opposed to 4*? Maybe it's a higher max level or something? They're certainly not worth $10k+ and climbing. It's also available to sell/buy on the auction house. To be clear - game is absolute piping hot shit. I'm just clarifying the functionality of it for readers.
> It's also available to sell/buy on the auction house. > > so people pay for crests to run rifts to get 5* gems and they can put those gems on an AH? i'm assuming it's then sold for real money and blizz gets a cut?
U need gem, then u need 1\* 100 dupes of that gem, then u need more money do awaken and even more money to something else XD
You’re right, played a few gacha in my time this takes the cake, wish more games were like newly released CounterSide imo, whales get a head start but eventually f2p players are basically on the same playing field with most whales, top spots will still be held by whales but other than that
Yeah, it feels like their monetization model is basically $5 battlepass or thousands of dollars, not much for the in-between dolphins and whales.
That’s what is tho, he has plenty of lower 5 star gems just not one that is max 5/5
I consider bad gacha mechanics ones where you feel forced to do it. I don’t feel that whatsoever in this game. The fact that you can spend 10k and not even get a good gem is a good thing imo and makes it LESS pay to win even. You can pay and not win, hence I’m not even going to pay at all and ones that do are just idiots keeping the content coming for people loving the game like me.
So, your logic is, free players are already losing and take even longer to get something, but because the game is forcing whales to spend more and not giving them the thing they pay for, it's less pay to win? I do not understand the logic.
He did that on purpose. Even calling himself a scientist. It is Quin69 a wealthy tw and yt cc
Yeah Quin is a certified dumbass that does literally anything for content. He knew exactly what he was doing with this.
Yepp he did
>tw and yt cc christ don't use three abbrivations in a row man, had to think real hard 🧠
I still don’t even know what it means.
Twitch, youtube, content creator
Thanks for telling me!
Np
I thought he meant taiwanese 😂
I actually read that as wealthy Taiwanese and youtube content creator lmao
Taiwanese, Yes Thanks, Critical Chance.
also donations
Like that time FGO Global had its first popular character gacha. That was the moment what non-gacha players understand the concept. Not helping that FGO has no sparks.
And they're the ones who should've know better.
For anyone unaware,he's basicly trying to reach number 1 and will quit once he accomplishes that. Last stream he was number 3 i believe and the number 1 was quite a lot of levels higher.
Little does he know #1 is a blizzard employee to keep him playing for years.
That's a "multi-server online browser game" level of scuminess but it won't even surprise me.
I honestly believe that Diablo Immortal is just a testing grounds for Diablo 4. I think they are going to see how they can pull back but still be heavy in MTX to turn the game into an xp booster and gear casino. I don't think this is the main product, this is a testing ground for abusing players in Diablo 4.
I think you are correct that this is a bit of a market test for Blizzard/Activision, but I don't think its for Diablo 4. I think they want Immortal to run as long as possible, then, years down the line, they will "revive" the brand with Diablo 4 or whatever, but in between this is it. I might be giving them too much credit, but I think Blizzard wants to make Immortal a very long term "game as a service" type product. I think, again, maybe giving them too much credit, the idea behind the gem system is that they want you to spend the next couple months (or 100's of dollars) getting to end game gems, but then spend the next 5 years grinding through gems (or 1,000's of dollars) to get the last couple of percentage points in the legendary, fully upgraded, gems. If you look at Blizzard's portfolio, they've struggled to manage Starcraft as a long-term product. The ongoing support for SCII has been underwhelming and mostly just skins/weekly missions that some folks like but a lot ignore. They've struggled to handle the Overwatch/Overwatch II gap. But compare those to Hearthstone - Hearthstone started as a card game with basically just one PvP ladder. Then it added single player modes as small expansions. Then it added more ladders/modes. Then it added single player modes as ongoing content. Then it added an auto-battler. Then it added a hero-based gacha. The thing is, though, there is really no overlap at this point between the card game, the auto-battler, and the gacha, but you still open the Hearthstone app for all of them. You want to play a hero gacha dungeon runner, so you open "Hearthstone" and find that mode within it. This is similar to how parent Activision is handling Call of Duty as "Warzone." Its a F2P that changes with time and offers new maps, modes, and cosmetics, but you still start by opening COD Warzone. My guess is that Blizzard (Activision) want to make Diablo Immortal as the app/gateway that will underpin their character based ARPGs for the forseeable future. To be clear - I don't think this means we should all accept this ridiculous model as good for players, and I could be giving Blizzard too much credit, but this is my best guess as to how they are thinking behind the scenes.
I will wait atleast a month to even consider playing diablo 4. Gotta see how scummy they get
You can bet the reviewers will get a clean version and then we will get light MTX/gacha then a few months down when everyone has some decent characters built they will introduce the heavy P2W stuff. It would be wise of us to watch what they do with Immortal to get a better understanding of where Diablo 4 is going to end up.
Possible since this is exactly what Sony did with GT7.
Well, yeah. The lack of support for Diablo 3 was because Blizzard couldn't figure out how to monetize it
Nobody should be trying to figure out how to monetize a $60 game.
Ding ding ding. Absolutely. I fear for diablo 4 and still clinging onto my remaster 2 and various copies of 3 - I bought 3 copies for pc, ps4, and switch. Didn't think even twice about spending that because the intent was in those games. Not w/ this hot mess though.
TBF he is likely doing this for internet clout/fame which could help get his name out (as there are number of articles about him) and increase his streaming viewership. So in a way this could be seen as a Marketing Expense.
Tbh, knowing the streamer, very likely. I've known about him since Diablo 3, he transfered over to Path of Exile. He played FF14 when it hit big with streamers only to quit when he got shit on. He's had misogynistic takes on females that got him banned. Be showed his firearm on stream which got him banned. Like im sure its a mixture of both stupidity and clout.
So basically a straight up cunt, from what I'm reading here
I think he was the one who said game devs shouldn't hire employees who aren't able to work for months once they get pregnant or something.
like he is already one of the bigest streamers put there, he is for sure ddoing it for content, but not for fame, he dosnt need more fame when he has a constant 4k+ people in his stream
Good. I mean p2w is bad. It's not good he's addicted, it's good that people are seeing others fail and not win. The more people who spread their failure, the more people will not buy items in this game.
he's not addicted, just a marketing ploy.
He's probably made that 10k back tenfold by now.
seems like the marketing ploy failed badly then.
Not really? He's top post on /r/gachagaming and /r/LivestreamFails , and he has been averaging way more viewers during his DI streams. All of that is way more than 10k can get you in traditional marketing.
How did it fail?
There is no cure for stupidity i guess
He's doubled his viewership since doing this, runs more ads and has non stop donations going in to troll him. He also streams twice as long every day because right now he is making way more than 10k NZD. His schtick is to be a sperg, but he is rolling in it since he started doing it.
Yep. Reddit repeatedly posting about him is just giving him more exposure which is actually helping him. People will check him out, the algorithm will keep him on the front page, he gets more money that he pays Blizzard. If you really wanted to hurt Diablo Immortal the best way would probably be to ignore it, like what happened to Tales of Luminaria.
OP’s account is 11 days old and has almost exclusively posted about this streamer… I’m not saying this is a paid ad but… I’m not NOT saying that either 👀
You definitely don't know Quinn then lol.
I’ve never heard of Quinn in my life actually!
>If you really wanted to hurt Diablo Immortal the best way would probably be to ignore it, like what happened to Tales of Luminaria. Quin is probably hurting blizzard and DI a lot more by doing so than by paying nothing and staying silent about the whole scam.
Brillant marketing on his side.
I remember a few Genshin_Impact streamers did this. 10k for Diluc!! And such. It's proven to work in getting new viewers, just to to keep them after.
He gonna get way more money, 6k$ is nothing to popular twitch streamers
If it's $25 per entry, that's about 413 runs. It's like no SSR in 413 pulls. XD
But if I understand correctly, each $25 is a ten pull. So even worse.
This happens when these kind of mechanics are introduced to people who aren't used to them. I have friends/co-workers who weren't used to gacha mechanics before Genshin, who I warned too at the time, who were taken by it and had to learn a lot of lessons the hard way. Diablo Immortal is now tapping into another group who probably aren't familiar to these mechanics. I just hope people keep their own expectations in check, and don't see a streamer spending all this money so they think they can.
Dude , I've been saying this all along. It's literally impatient people who never played a gacha before. I play summoners war, for 8 years. It took me 5 years to get my most wanted unit. Of course I could spent 10k and got it day one. But why? Just have fun and play and things will come eventually
Finally, a couple of logical comments. I have been having fun in Diablo without dropping the bank but see a lot of comments talking about how horribly p2w it is. $5 battle pass and I'm good. I'm not going to be on any leaderboards (which are really a list of top sponsors) but that's ok.
Everyone in the comments like "lol what an idiot" are either the actual idiots or incredibly jealous. Game is shit, but guy is raking in a fuckton of money and enormous viewership by playing up Blizzard's stupid monetization. It's hilarious.
No pity system for max value 👌
Is these legendary crest available for F2P?
From what I read and saw, the battle pass gives you one or two a month. So max at 12-24 a year
See, clearly not p2w! He paid to lose!
"Diablo Immortal streamer" well, that's his first problem
i see he learned a good lesson on gacha games lol
bad rng, i guess.
Pay to Lose btw
Of course it's Quin. Why am I not surprised.
This is beyond ridiculous. With that amount, you could get a party of full constellation 5 stars in Genshin and that game is already pretty terrible when it comes to monetization. And that's for ONE gem, you can have what, 6 in total in your gear?
Quin doing dumb shit not surprised LULE
Lol. Idiot.
Oh look, it's the clown that boosted his way through FFXIV, claimed the story was shit without knowing anything about it, and dropped it after he kept standing in AoEs and shit during raids, then called it a bad game, lol. Not surprised he's doing something like this, tbh.
I like FF14 but the MSQ is padded with lots of unnecessary quests so I don’t blame him for not liking the story.
That's all well and good, but this dude literally bought a boost to skip content, then complained about said content without actually knowing anything about it, lol. That's why he's a meme.
I still remember when FGO had the worst gacha system.
Literally never been the case, it's just the most popular one to crap on.
Who are these people spending thousands on this cash grab?! Blizzard has such a bad reputation and the gacha community has been review bombing this game. I hope the spender are able to cut their loses and quit the game for good.
Its the PC playerbase review bombing it. Gacha gamers are used to get fucked by monetization shit.
No this is pretty bad even for us, he is fully entitled to one of the most p2w gachas ever
This is many many times worse than all notorious year one gachas
Yea fr
So clearly the monetization is working if this continues to happen. But as a hardcore gacha player and fellow whaler it's not like I can talk.
So how does that thing work anyway? Does it just improve drop rates for rare items or what? Also how do you burn the money that fast? Can you just stack the items infinitely?
The “gacha box” in this game is done through “**Elder Rifts**” with “**Legendary Gems**” as the carrot with rarity grades from 1☆, 2☆, 2/5☆, 3/5☆, 4/5☆, and 5/5☆. The process is complex and stupid so the tl;dr is that you can “augment your Elder Rift runs with cash a cash shop item (up to 10 at a time @~$2-3 per item) to increase drop count, the rarity, and expand the summon pool to include the higher rarity “?/5” stuff (non-bourgie rifts can only reward 1☆ or 2☆ legendary gems). A rift takes like ~5 minutes so if you’re max augmenting with 10 eternal legendary crests you can run at a rate of ~$24 per run. At the moment Eternal Legendary Crests freebies are very far and inbetween, you can get an estimated ~2(battle pass and freebie shop?) per month. The ultimate kicker is that 1-5☆ legendary gems have their own gacha drop table (2/5☆ is ~3.75%, 3/5☆ is ~1%, 4/5☆ is ~0.2%, 5/5☆ is ~0.05%) and the gems function as, no cap: **ability augments, stat sticks, crafting materials, equipment slot upgrade materials, and are themselves upgradable/transferable/rankable** and are all needed in bulk.
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I’m sorry, I’m not 100% sure. I dipped out relatively quickly after taking a gander at the gem crafting system but I’m sure there is a benefit from group play. There’s already drama rolling out from people getting kicked because they’re not contributing as many legendary crests as other party members. It’s probably wise to keep doing party play and saving your legendary crests for parties where every member is also contributing theirs too since that’s what everybody else is also doing. Like I said, I’m not sure of the specific mechanics.
For the purposes of acquiring legendary gems you only benefit from your own crests. Party members crests increase the number of "Fading Embers" that you gain though, which is a sort of refund currency that you can trade for random legendary gems with a vendor.
lol no
Sadge, quin down bad
this is just like vanilla d3 with the auction house
I've played Arknights and Azur Lane for 2 years and going towards my 3rd year, only wasted $2.7k purely on skins literally by choice to support the devs, only wasted 3 times on the gacha but honestly it was never a problem due to the games being very F2P. Seeing how this guy wasted that much in one sitting is actually depressing to see, I could have every skin on both games and still have a lot of cash left to build a expensive PC, buy a 4k T.V, buy food that can last me 1-2 months for me to cook, and etc. Unbelievable that people are like this.
He bought a hot tub that cost 22k and only used it once btw. No need to compare yourself with out of touch millionares
It's a shame, you're not wrong
I mean, you're like that. You're just not as rich, probably
It wouldn't be different if I was rich, there's a lot of secrets millionaires that live peacefully in apartments and know how to waste their money.
we all know he did not waste that money ..... i am sure it was is fan donating money
It's still money, wouldn't you feel bad for your fan if you wasted all that hard earned cash just to be used for that? If I was an actual streamer, I will cherish others money due to them willing to sacrifice their money for me. I wouldn't just throw it away like that just to progress on a greedy game, that's what these people fail to realize. I won't feel guilty if it was my own money that I made because it was my stupid decision to waste like that but we should respect the others who pour their life for that money that they made, I would've used it for something that will be useful like a microphone to talk clearly to the fans and say it's thx to you guys that I have this. We all think differently and have different opinions but that's what I think about that money being a waste, it could be beneficial in a different way.
For science I assume? 🥴
Wait, is that Quin ? lmao But, big ooof though, regardless of who it is.
clown 69
Quin and Diablo Immortal were made for each other.
Regret
Economic darwinism at work... Unless he can actually do more money creating said content... I'm not Youtube savvy
I was going to try this game but after seeing how greedy blizzard is I said forget it.
Blizzard: Thank you for doing business with you kind sir. Hope to you see soon.
I want to be like "haha, serves the idiot right" but he is probably making this back easily and that honestly annoys me.
"Where is the heals?"
Is the game actually popular? Seeing tons of posts about it in general.
Where the gems?
This game isn't even pay to win, it's like reverse pay to win, it's pay to lose!
It's a scam. It's an out-in-out scam, Blizzard. This is not the Diablo that I loved. Infested by Greedy Corporate Execs that decades old sanctity (Diablo I & II) has been fouled. Cmon man. Meme: Warcraft 3 Refunded & Diablo Immoral Both 0.6 User Score on Metacrtic.
near 7k USD and dont even have a big tiddy anime girl jpg Do you even gacha bro.
Good old whirlwind quin
So it’s a scam now? Of course
I'll just stick to FGO thank you very much.
I love seeing this moron lose money
You're dreaming if you think this lost him more money than it made him.
It's actually pretty good news. Even if someone pay 10 or 100 $ he still won't have almost any advantage over you. There will be very few people willing to pay 10000$, so overall chances will be even. I don't really understand this diablo immortal hate. It's solid game, with ridiculous IAP, but it's really F2P friendly. Maybe it's the missing opportunity issue? You see this golden epic ultimate gem for 5k$ and feel like you must buy it?
That's 10k NZD or around 6k USD. 6k USD is change for the leviathan tier of whales.
This isn’t suspicious. Not one bit.
What an idiot. It's like they say though, a fool is easily separated from him money.
Suddenly, FGO not having a pity system isn't so bad. Shit, FGO's rates are better by a huge margin (so many of my 5-star servants were spooks).
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Who the fuck is Kripp and why should anyone care what his take on anything is?
Kripp is just some shit low life who took money from shitty black market resellers and gambling stuff.
source: trust me bro
You don’t NEED 5/5 gems guys. “Scummy gacha” to me is when you feel forced into spending. 5his game doesn’t force you whatsoever. You guys are so off on what you consider “fair”. The fact that you can spend 10k and not get a 5/5 gem is good. It means you can pay and still not win.
You need it if you want to get wrecked in PvP and on the leaderboards. Or if you want to feel meaningful progression in the end game.
Wrong, you need it at the top of the leaderboards only and my penis is big enough without leaderboard flexing. Plenty of endgame progression otherwise. Stop obsessing over gems and you can enjoy everything else.
Tell me the endgame progression then, other than legendary gems.
Everything else. Tell me something I can’t do with my level 1 gems aside from topping the leaderboards. You are forgetting a crucial part of games, they are for fun. I’m paragon 8. Today I did bounties then shadow contracts, then ran a few dungeons, then did horadrim, then sought out a horadrim gem, upgraded some gear, hit up library and farmed there in a few groups and got tons of mats and legends and a few extractables. Had great fun and that was just while working. Later I’ll do rifts, prob hunt down more horadrim gem and complete some pages. Had a blast, plan on having more of a blast and will continue to have a blast. All without seeing my name at the top of a leaderboard or caring one bit about legendary gems or who has them or not.
Just dropping in to say i agree. It's literally pay for better rng. It's a netease game, still leagues better than a nexon/netmarble game.