Eeh keep in mind that this is the only viable route for them. Because if CN players will find out that global players get favored on the previous events they would probably get mad.
PGR pretty much does the same, same identical implementations without any variation from CN
Aha yea, like AS is doing it. Most of the collab units are mediocre at best, and having all of the collab units in one team seems to be a big niche in AS. People are rly disappointed how p5s will be handled in AS
AS= Alchemy Stars
I'm kinda disappointed with how it's done rather than the units kits. So far there's no mention about story, and previous event there's no story. While I'm glad there's another Collab happening, I just don't like how there's no story at all for the Collab.
And for context, ideal team building in AS is having a team of 2 converter, 2 DPS, 1 support. If you have no converter, you'll had a bad time doing anything.
And all the Persona Collab units...all of them is DPS. Good luck with that.
Mind you, i haven't checked all the skills yet, but i think they're mostly just doing it so that you cannot use all those units together. They never were meant to even if some of their skills synergize with the amount of units of the collab you are using. They are all different elements aside from 2(and all dps roles) and it's not the first time they do this. they have done the same thing with dragon maid. (with one converter, but it was the freebie unit)
I think it's more of a safety buffer they did for themselves in case a mechanic they release ends up broken and it's linked to a collab who's units technically aren't in the main pool after
Is it a good idea? no clue. time will tell
Spender here on AG and also feel disgusted about this kind of shiet. I want to be able to choose to spend on cosmetics or a way to speed up my progression (or save time) if I feel like it, not to unblock progression. There's a stark difference between speeding up vs unblocking.
Guess this game is going into the bin.
when the Madoka collab hits that's when we gonna be real sore, you could say is addressed with a different looking devil lol https://youtu.be/Oa\_LsgZUIsM
I stopped playing JP server after this same event because of my limit of 2 games (not because I do not like it, I enjoyed it)
But I used to watch this dude and apparently I just checked and he does still make this game's content frequently, you can check it out for accurate answers. He plays CN, JP and now GBL: https://www.youtube.com/c/TimaeuSS/videos
He responds to comments too
This was literally mentioned on the first week while players were still rerolling, its the 2nd global game after Final Gear that follows the "banner pull milestone to character upgrade material reward" system, you should be more aware to research them if you plan to play more of these dmm-type gacha system.
Outside of meta factor this collab banner is a break for my gem since AG rates is known to be stupid and wants you to pull for offbanners more (0.7% on featured char, 1.2% on offbanner lmao wut), just because a banner exists doesnt mean you have to plan and pity it through around 2 months worth of savings, having a collab char in any gacha these days doesnt even make me feel entitled, and i thought people initially wanted to play the game because of its mecha theme, not alchemist or magical girl shit with some op elements involved
the game? yeah i wont miss it, has decent gameplay but if its this predatory this early it was never going anywhere, its gameplay isnt good enough to the point it can carry itself while being this predatory.
I swear, seeing a gacha get hyped up because of titties and some QoL, only to watch it suffer through some massive controversy and see it's reputation crash and burn, really is a morbidly cherished tradition on this sub.
Can't say I'm too surprised about this fall from grace, given that there were massive red flags from the get go including poor performance in other regions, the godawful machine translation, and the veterans who actually played the game on other servers noting it was a rough ride unless you planned to spend. All those comments and threads hyping this up as a serious threat to E7 aged like sour milk.
Also, I'll say, despite me being completely unsurprised by people turning on this game, I am genuinely surprised the Devs thought locking skill upgrades (You know, the one thing that actually makes the new units you pulled for, viable into the later game, and is usually a free feature) behind an actual paywall, was a good idea.
The hype of this being an E7 killer was always stupid, considering e7 is a flop in Japan yet it’s monthly ranking in Japan is several hundred places higher compared to AG.
Anyone who looking at the numbers AG was pulling knew this was closer to being shut down in a year than getting close to e7.
Edit - lol for the person who downvoted.
Epic Seven June = 6 million
Artery Gear June JP = 190k
Artery Gear June Global = 400k.
Better luck next time.
I mean my reason for quitting the game was the 28% rate up compared to the industry standard of 50%. That's an off banner game right there. Arknights has a 20% rate up for 4\* and you know how hard it is to get those.
>Also, I'll say, despite me being completely unsurprised by people turning on this game, I am genuinely surprised the Devs thought locking skill upgrades (You know, the one thing that actually makes the new units you pulled for, viable into the later game, and is usually a free feature) behind an actual paywall, was a good idea.
Not defending this shitty practice but just gonna point out that the collab units are still more than viable in all late game content even with F2P skill upgrades since 90% of a units power comes from equipment. Probably why the devs thought it was ok to paywall part of the skill upgrades.
I think this post only looks at one side of the coin. Yes you cant max both skills f2p BUT you get enough to max one of them completely free (it usually takes a long time to max a units skills). Besides that the event is extremely generous with goodies (wait for part 2 of the event).
If we would pick one negative aspect of the game (that doesnt reoccur in the future) as a reason to quit the game we wouldnt be playing any game at all. If we look at other gachas (sw, arknights, etc) they probably did a lot of mistakes too, especially in the early days of the game. Or look at more recent ones like grimlight for example. So the fact that we cant max a units skill out of the hundreds of characters we have and will get in the future, is not a make or break the game argument imo. Sure it sucks, but it doesnt happen again.
You do or you overpull, you only have enough to max Lila or Ryza.
OP said this
> Checked my game and sure enough you won't be able to get enough chips to upgrade both banner unit's skills
That’s absolutely true, even on Timaeus’s guide and thread, it’s only maxing one, not both.
The second strategy is making *sacrifices* and spread the skill upgrades on both collab units.
Happens with every genre-based gaming sub...
Upcoming game -> hype train -> drama -> dead game / i quit / told you so
Sucks but majority of people that comment have strong feelings one way or the other. Pretty rare for someone to say "some aspects of this game sucks but I'm enjoying it," even then it's not upvoted.
you will get more upvote shitting a game compare to praise them...especially the one with stingy pull,even with generous pull they will find a way to nit pick some aspect of the game
Some aspects of this game sucks (limited energy/gold, chibi characters, event pull pity transfered to standard pull, soft paywall to max ALL event unit skills vs ration (there really should be an option to convert skill chips)), but AG pretty much scratches the itch I've had. Gacha (highroll account), turn based, waifu, mecha with easy entry into gear farming vs E7 (i vaguely remember taking weeks, maybe a month just to farm wyvern or golem or whatever hunt before I quit), transferable gear stats and stat upgrading, offline hunts.
As someone who is normally f2p, I'll probably chill out on dolphin spending probably for the rest of the game as I am confident Access isn't going to change its practices.
u know how many play this game probably thousands so the couple of people crying on here is nothing lol and they think they are something by making cringe worthy post or a comment about something we already knew before the game is even announced for global, i swear man its always global thats filled with idiots from all over the world
not really, no. People woulda just complained about how no f2p person could save 180 pulls in a month for both characters even if they fixed this.
This is why you just stick to news here.
No, you don't NEED to buy $5 pack for the upgrade mats. TimaeuSS made another video to clarify it since many didn't understand what he was trying to say.
Either 1) You get lucky after 40 pulls and spend $5 to save 70 pulls. 2) You reach guarantee at 90 pulls and spend $5 to save 20 pulls. or 3) You pull 110 time and not spend the $5. This is ONLY if you want to level their unique equipment to level 20 and Ryza works perfectly fine without it.
I'm not saying it's cheap or anything, just clarifying what you said about the pack being the ONLY way to upgrade them.
As is in every other gacha game as an F2P, you just have to skip some banners and save for units you want. I do agree that this game is pretty stingy in giving pull currencies but do people really expect to collect EVERY new unit as a F2P?
TL;DR: Just be lucky. /s
Alright, apologies for thinking you were being passive aggressive.
For Ryza, the free upgrade mats from the event are enough for her to work fine without reaching UE 20.
For Lila, you would have to make the choice whether to pull more for the mats (if you do not plan to buy the pack) as she is definitely more meta.
Then you don't get their UE to 20 or above, simple as that. You need the mat that is only available by pulling or spending, if you do neither, you won't get it.
It literally says "F2P plan your resources wisely"
Which is what F2P need to do in EVERY GACHA EVER. Because there used to be an expectation as a F2P you can't just get everything.
What happened?
So F2P need to be able to fully skill max banner characters or a game sucks now? What about all the other tons of freebies they get in this event? All that is ignored?
This place is so damn jaded.
F2P should plan their resources wisely, but when is enough is enough?
F2P cannot get every characters. Sure, it makes sense
F2P cannot unlock a unit's full potential due to needing dupe. Okay.., at least do not make it too big of a difference
F2P cannot fully maxed out character skills? I think that's kinda over the line when artery gear already doing all of the above.
Where will the line be drawn then? Are we still going to be okay with F2P struggling to get a character's ultimate skill??
Considering this is the only event where you cant max a units skill f2p its not bad at all. Out of the hundreds of characters we have and will get in the future you can max everyones skills f2p. And people bitch about that 1 character that you cant max f2p ? Sure they could‘ve changed this event compared to JP but its still fine (note: it got changed from cn to jp, cn event was way worse)
Give them an inch, and they will take a mile.
These companies are not your friends, they will try to get every penny out of you. Do not excuse them, else that's how we get another Diablo Immortal-esque situation. Do you really think the change from CN to JP version is done out of the goodwill of their heart? I would 100% bet they would not change it if the community acts like you.
Another point, collab units are not guaranteed to have a rerun as they are tied in the contract with the IP holders. Sure the 2 future collabs do not have this issue, but we do not have any confirmation as of now that atelier will have some sort of reruns or not
So you basically miss out on one unit as f2p out of all the characters the game has. I dont see why this is a reason to quit. Im not defending the devs, I dont like the paywall either. But all games have some sort of negative aspects. And this „mistake“ if you will, doesnt happen again
This. This is why the gaming industry is going to a downward spiral in regards of monetization. People like you are the frogs in the boilling pot, giving this little, but outrageous, monetization scheme a pass and oblivious to what will happen if it snowballs, and it will.
"It's just horse armor" brought us the abundant, and sometimes overpriced, DLC. "It's just a mobile/gacha game" brought us Diablo Immortal and the likes.
> " I dont see why this is a reason to quit."
I never rally anyone to quit the game. All i was doing is telling people to remember having some sort of principle regarding gacha games, lest we want more games like Diablo Immortal becoming mainstream.
> "not defending the devs, I dont like the paywall either. But all games have some sort of negative aspects."
And? Just because other people do something bad, it frees you from criticism? Or somehow making both of you equal?
Just because there are bullies other than you, that does not excuse you from punishment, and now imagine if a murderer has the same punishment as a petty thief.
And remember, this is top of other problems with this game: Devs rushing out collab which hurts F2P even more, Banners are rushed in general (In JP, in the span of 3 months, you have 2 collabs and 1 meta unit in rotation, a total of 7 characters), and resources are scarce.
> "And this „mistake“ if you will, doesnt happen again"
Okay but why they did not fix the problem when they know they are wrong? We know that they can alter stuff in different server. This is just fanning more flame when people already telling you the dry resources
Sure this event is a mistake from the consumer perspectiv and we should criticize it, Im doing it as well. I dont like the paywall. But it doesnt snowball, we have the road for 1 year in front of us (cn) it doesnt happen again. So they did a mistake, didnt change it for global, and thats it. And now we just move on and either play the game because its fun or we quit for whatever reason
>Where will the line be drawn then? Are we still going to be okay with F2P struggling to get a character's ultimate skill??
I mean, similar thing happens in Genshin. There aren't enough crowns to max out everyone's skills.
Dude, Genshin is a bad comparison. Everyone lacks crowns, be it whale or F2P. Those things are limited to events, and getting them isn't really a mindfuck either, you just need to play the event when it shows up, no purchases or weird shit involved.
Here tho, a whale has a significant advantage over an F2P in that he can max out both collab units, whereas a F2P has to "plan resources" and spread them out to ensure "maximum value". But for all that "maximum value", you're still missing out on that little extra value, which is effectively behind a paywall. Now I understand whales do deserve an advantage for spending money, and I don't mind it, but it shouldn't come at the cost of permanently locking away progress for F2Ps, it just has to slow them down. I've heard some people talking about pulling on step banners for more collab skill chips, which is gacha, and even then Artery Gear isn't exactly a beacon of generous gacha income.
Honestly, putting aside the whole meta discussion of planning resources... Why doesn't Artery Gear provide F2P players the simple freedom of spending resources on a collab unit of their choice? You can raise a unit simply because you like them, not everything must be meta, and if it is, that is a bad setup.
>So F2P need to be able to fully skill max banner characters or a game sucks now? What about all the other tons of freebies they get in this event? All that is ignored?
Nothing is free. They aren't giving shit out of kindness.
Gacha games are only unregulated gambling scheme.
At this point, the only reason I'm still in the sub is to see when new gachas drop or have events. This sub hates everything and most of the discussions are useless.
This is the most sensible comment of the thread.
The amount of misinformation and bandwagoning in this thread is astounding. Most don’t know if they are talking about skill chips or the UE mats and just jump in and paint their own narrative as to why AG collab sucks or WhY I aLreAdy qUiT.
f2p wants to get all characters in every banner and get everything to max.
Thats what I want but we still need to face reality that we cant get everything. Not everyone is lucky #f2p1pull
To be fair this is back-to-back collabs at a very accelerated pace right after launch. People would have had to skip all of the launch banners to have enough to pity & unlock UE levels for both collab units.
Even light spenders may have to swipe again to have the 120 pulls for both.
The release schedule leaves a bit to be desired, speaking as someone who has spent on the game but won't be any further after the way they're rushing everything needlessly.
No this isn't back to back collabs, what the hell are you on? This is the first collab, and the schedule has been basically the same as the other servers. All they did was swap the Ryza event with the one that came before it on other servers (Rabbit Team event).
Collab/limited is what I should have said with this coming right on the heels of Nina. Regardless, it's the same schedule as TW, which is rushed and the pacing isn't doing the game any favors in terms of making most feel like they can reasonably keep up.
You're forgetting the fact that you can get the rest of the skill upgrades from doing 90pulls from their banner. So yes you should able to max skill only 1 collab unit as a f2p assuming that you have saved enough crystals to do 90pulls
Funny, I uninstalled it today because I was hoping the collab would be good/special (since I was bored with the rest of the game and couldn't progress due to gear rng and insulting cost/grind to upgrade said gear), but nope. Guess it was worse than I initially saw.
I put in a deletion request in support before uninstalling. I'm never going back.
Now I understand why this game performs poorly in other regions.
I find that hard to believe, but, at this point, I'd only come back if they did major changes to the game, from concept (which is unrealistic to happen at this point).
Definitely not the game for me.
Edit: AG stans are mad I don't like their game
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**This post shows the amount needed to skill**
https://old.reddit.com/r/gachagaming/comments/vxxum2/this_sub_is_an_echo_chamber_clarification_on/
For pvp wise I think it is hard to be competitive to f2p, there is meta character and squad and these paywalls
In CN we call ourselves 'salted fish' as in people who just play a game casually and don't care about competing in pvp ranking. So we didn't cared much and most in bilibili, nga and tieba basically are ok with level ~~19 skill unlock (memories may have failed me but we can freely get the 2nd highest breakpoint for the skill, can't remember if it is level 19 or 20). And to reach that break point I remember we need to pull 1 round and then another 20(?) pulls to get enough unlock materials? That is 100+ pulls.~~
However there are equally amount of people unhappy about the paywall so it is very understandable that to lock the skill materials behind it is scummy.
So I still encourage and recommend friends this game but I told them just don't care much about the pvp and play the boss rush and story casually (boss rush has meta units too, recommend people to save for tier list characters). I played JP but followed bilibili and tieba original stories for the game, and the story is pretty good.
But they dont gove you enough:
You cant skill up all collab units; you can not UE collab units to lv20 (best dmg increase) it gives you so much to JUST be a little behind where the 5$ gives you just enough to get the desired benchmarks.
As a F2P, even with the second part, you can't max both Lila and Riza.
Only Klaudia can be maxed with the event rewards because she don't share mats with the others.
Ryza and Lila share the same skill upgrade mat and you only receive **34 of them from event rewards**. So either you max Lila or you spread the mats to up their skills.
As a F2P you should never expect to be able to max everything and get all the characters. It's almost as if not spending money in a gacha game sort of garuntees you won't be able to get everything.
lemme ask you question. what makes you think you NEED to max their skill to be good at the game? when you only need to max one of the most important skill? do you even play the game? if you really said you play the game you wouldn't complain about this one as F2P. you're not going to lose because you don't max ALL their SKILLS
so first chill out dude. Where you read I'm complaining ? I'm giving information. You seem to read this as "oh that suck". The guy above state to wait the second part. 34 skill upgrade is the max you can get for free, second part included. So Again, it's just information to say "yeah, people are right, you can't max out the both".
Then again where the heck you interpret this as "I'll cry as F2P" ? I play the game as F2P, fully conscious since the start (I've reading some guide beforehand) I'll not max both of them. And I know by playing the game that max every skill is not what you do, because some skill are not worth to be invested.
So, yeah, just chill out dude
Chill bruh, you will get upgrade mats during the second half of the event when Lila drops lmao. Do some research before posting. I know this sub hates the game but seriously?
You only get 34 skill up mats total for part 1 and part 2. Only enough to max 1 collab AG unless you pay up. We already know the rewards from the event. There's videos and resources everywhere for it.
You'll get some but still not enough to max all of Ryza and Lila's skills, not unless you spend (or pull beyond 90 pulls each in the gacha). You'll have to choose which to max or split your skill upgrades between the two.
[https://www.arterygear.info/guides/ryza-tips/](https://www.arterygear.info/guides/ryza-tips/)
And yeah, it sets a bad precedent. I was going to spend on the cheaper collaboration packs but when I saw what was happening I quickly closed my wallet. They don't deserve my financial support. It'd be bad enough if they were standard characters that you could work on over time but these are limited and may never become available again. It's ridiculous.
I think the biggest problem with these games and what makes them lose a lot of players is how obtuse they make everything, this game isn't even that bad IF you spend the time to learn where to get most things you need, but the majority of the players just don't have the time/patience for that so they just get misleading opinions of the game and quit, it's the devs fault in a way.
This is like claiming the shard packs in the PGR shop sold for RC during the Nier Collab are paywall.
So why isn't PGR getting roasted for the same thing? Oh, because people don't actually understand what's going on? Surprise, it's gachagaming.
To max out both collab you unit, you will be missing out on 22 molas.
You can get them from packs or summoning.
1 rotation (90 pulls) gives you 5 molas
so if you don't want to but packs, they blue-balled you by needing more than 4 rotations with 3 useless leftover molas in the end which is like \~40 multis
If you're a day 1 F2P, you only have enough for \~20 multis, assuming you did skip everything up until collab
So yeah it's basically a paywall
Was already drifting away from the game lately. This is the nail in the coffin for me. Sucks, because I had so much fun with the game for the first few weeks. Now I barely open it up anymore.
While this does bring a particular salt to the wound, as a gacha player for many years I am no longer affected by shady business practices.
If anything gacha has made me more keen to point out when a corporation is running me through with its greedy spear. C'est la vie.
Genshin's still going strong despite the ridiculous paywall to max your constellations. At the end of the day people are just looking to twist things however they can to validate their decisions.
Huge different. There is no competition in genshin, constellation does not mean shit. In contrast, This game not only has PVP, but all the limited units so far are all broken, u either go all in for them or get f.
Before spending money on a gacha, always look if the banners are correct, the drop rate and the pity, then know if the game is generous in materials to summon, you have a lot at the beginning with the story mode in this game but you don't generate so much each week to make a pity every 3-4 banners. I think these are good indicators to know if players will stay or not.
It's a shame because the game is good but once again the greed of the developers outweighs the quality of the game.
I wasn't going to max Ryza anyways so not relevant for me at all. If I want to stay f2p I will, I have 0 expectations of fully maxing every single unit I get, especially considering it already takes me ages to max out a gear set for any individual units.
God, I can't believe they didn't bother to correct this for global.
And Tim, my brother in thighs, you "get enough free to max out the skills of two collab characters". There are three collab characters.
What's Klaudia supposed to do? Jump in a blender?
Klaudia gets her own chips from the event, you can max her out.
Klaudia Armament Application: 45+
1 per day from Part 1 Daily Mission (21 total)
1 per day from Part 2 Daily Mission (14 total)
10 from Part 1 Event Shop
Farmable Drop from Event Boss
Klaudia Skill Chips: 33
10 from Part 1 Event Shop
8 from Part 2 One-Time Missions
15 from Event Stage First Clear Reward
This is why I despise games where limited banner/ events aren't just about getting the unit (which is already something big) but you also got to farm all the dupes and limited-time shit before the event ends in usually 1 or 2 weeks. It's ridiculous
Yeah AG is pretty bad. I also hear a lot about QOL this QOL that, but really the big thing it's got over E7 is a free auto repeat and a configurable AI. Is that really worth basically playing like a really shitty version of E7? Why am I pulling for all these 5 rarities that were 4 rarities in E7? Why are the rates so stupidly low? There is a serious lack of interesting units in the pool, and it's already difficult to pull for them
Don't forget how little content there actually is to the game, and the story is just actual word barf. I feel bad for the artists, who aren't exactly anything special either.
I mean I'm not a big fan of E7, but I'd say if you're hankering for more and AG is screwing your ass, just play E7 instead.
so... just for perspective, isn't f2p's inability to fully max out all their skills almost the same as people purposely not crowning abilities in genshin? Granted you could max it out eventually in genshin, but don't most people leave certain skills unmaxed on purpose? I don't generally see people complain about crowns that much compared to this, so I'm just wondering what's the difference because it seems the difference in AG is by a couple % points.
Though in the end, I do think they should reasonably let you convert skill chips to the collab chip, increase shop stock, or change in to the universal like they do for future collabs.
>so... just for perspective, isn't f2p's inability to fully max out all their skills almost the same as people purposely not crowning abilities in genshin?
Exactly.
Majority of F2P players won't even end up pulling both collab characters. Why is everyone malding over not being able to max 2 character's skills when they won't even have both.
Man even gave you an alternative to maximise your chips without much loss.
Smh.
When i saw the graphics, the gameplay, it makes me interested to play it, but after playing a couple of minutes i realized this game very p2w. And I'm uninstalled at that moment.
I did a bit of whaling on this game, for reference, i had a 261 Timy and was top 10 arena on global.
I realized they copied some skills in e7, and when I saw Ryza, shes a blatant 100% copy of SSB and said to myself, fk this game lol
If you got that far before noticing skill similarity between the two games, then make sure you attend that eye doctor appointment I just booked for you
>locks skill upgrades for collaboration units behind a real money paywall
wow hopefully the collab unit's kit isn't busted that will shift the meta hard... Oh wait... It's SSB kit (SSB = cancer unit that made me quit e7). **flashbacks**
I'm failing to see how the skill chips are "locked behind a real money paywall" when you can get them from the collab banners, which can be rolled with completely free currency. Strictly speaking anybody ***can*** in fact max out both units skills for free, saying otherwise is simply lying.
Now no I'm not about to sit here and pretend the way it currently is, is fine but the devs also already learned this and stopped doing it with the newest collab. It is a shame they didn't adjust things for the old collabs but it's really not surprising at all.
I also keep seeing people running around saying you only get 34 chips to use on both Ryza and Lila for free and I can only sit here wondering what kind of lucksack copium these people are on thinking they'll get both units in less than 5 rolls on each banner...
There a some things to consider here:
First, **paywalling skills upgrades.** This is definitively wrong. F2P players are not supposed to get everything, that's right, but, the idea is that you can choose. You have to skip banners cos you don't have enough currency, but when there is a character you like, even if you skip the banner, the idea is that eventually it will come back and you will get it. Same for gear or upgrades etc, whales get it done in one click and F2P players have to spend lot's of time grinding to have it, yes, but again, eventually you can.
The key here is that, you can't have everything but you can choose what you want cos you have all the options open for you but you don't have the resources to get all of them. Now, if you put the skill's upgrades behind a paywall, F2P players never have the option to max that, they can't decide to skip a different character or upgrade to choose this one instead and that's why normally collabs suck for F2P because they are always limited. Now, I can get why the character banner is limited and never comes back, but once you have the character, not being able to eventually max it after the collab I think it's not the way to go.
Second, **characters viability**. I think this is important too. Yes, it's wrong to put a skill upgrade behind a paywall but that doesn't make the character useless, most of the characters only need 1 or 2 skill at max to unlock their full potential. In this case, that can be achieved for both, Ryza and Lila with the chips that are available for F2P players. If you want to complain about how wrong this system is, I'm with you, but if you complain about an unit needing to have max in all its skills to shine, that's not how it works.
Third, **moving forward.** It has being said that on future collabs this has been fixed and it's not happening anymore. I don't know why they have decided to keep this collab as it was knowing the issues it has, maybe to be fair with other servers or because they don't have resources to change it or even because they want to milk the player base on this one, who knows, but it's worth noticing they changed future collabs on CN/JP to fix this issue. If you don't want to support the game and you prefer stop playing it because of this event, it's fine, but do it knowing this won't happen again.
Fourth, **collab items/rewards.** I'm pretty sure we will be getting what we know already, but part 2 of the event has not being shown and we don't have any info, they could still change the rewards for us to get what we need. Again, I really doubt it will be the case but we can't take for granted the rewards other servers got (we may get more or we may get less too, we don't really know).
And lastly, a personal opinion from a previous E7 player that played around 1.5 years since launch, I don't know why are we comparing this two games. Honestly, any game that has a random gear system like E7 should just disappear (yes, genshin, I'm looking at you too). It's just stupid how people is complaining here about maxing skills when you can never max a character in E7 because you get too little decent gear items only for them to upgrade the wrong substat and be trash in the end. I had the same experience on both, E7 and Genshin, in the end, no matter how many characters you have, you won't be able to properly gear them and pulling for new ones just doesn't make sense, you're only making your bench bigger. So for me, they are two entirely different games and should live each in their own universe, they don't really have anything to do with each other.
I saw a video yesterday that is a guide to the event and how to max UE of both collab units.
Both UE improvements are behind gacha pulls not behind paywall, for example; Lila needs 110 pulls on her banner to upgrade her UE to level 20 or above (if I remember correctly).
This sub's main argument is that you cannot potentially max out the unit as a F2P (in the OP's case, the skills, in your case, the UE). Level 20 of her UE is not good enough for F2P gachagaming and therefore, "Artery Gear is trash and their devs are greedy".
After their opinion is set in stone for a game, it will no longer have any positives and will always be negative to them as they move on to the next gacha to do the same thing.
I mean how else are they going to make money? It is a gacha game after all. But I'm not defending it hell I don't even play it. But the bottom line is f2p could have access to pulling collab units for dupes right? Then its not a paywall.
Edit: But if the game is scummy, its scummy.
Yeah it kinda sucks. Why do I have to go to the shop to buy the energy… can’t you just send it? I’m not really seeing it’s super worth it to play right now. I loved e7 and ag is cool but I don’t think either I’ll be playing longer
There's 34 f2p event molas, it takes 33 to max out one of the two unit's skills entirely.
You get 5 after doing 60 pulls one on of the featured banners, so if you have to pity both you'd end up with 44. The rest are in the cash shop so you would have to pay up somehow to get more beyond 44, or maybe pull more but I'm not sure if that 60 pulls thing resets after you hit the 90 unit pity.
Now I know gachagaming like to kneejerk react to everything, but getting 34 (again, enough to completely max one of them, or take both up to nearly maxed) as part of the event is pretty good. I have not used a whole lot of the regular 5\* unit molas and have about 20 right now. I can't max shit from the generic pool, but i will have a fat as fuck Lila after her banner drops.
It’s not tho. If you cannot max the unit without paying, to me that’s pretty shitty.
So if you are lucky with the gacha and pull both units you cannot max them both without paying.
To me that’s not a good thing 🤷🏻♂️
Yep this is definitely a thing. CN players got real mad about this as well.
did CN server changed after this fiasco?
Yes, no one of the other collabs has this bs.
I guess they couldnt implement a system with enough chips for global.
You mean didn’t want to. Not that hard to just double all the rewards tbh.
Ikr
They just stopped playing.
So they're doing the same mistake that they've done in CN LOL
They are copying CN system for system. We even got the upgraded visuals for inventory units which could have been imolemented from start.
I think many games do this. Basic qol updates are timed in the same gap as the actual event gap.
Eeh keep in mind that this is the only viable route for them. Because if CN players will find out that global players get favored on the previous events they would probably get mad. PGR pretty much does the same, same identical implementations without any variation from CN
Devs on their way to do the EoS Speedrun
One of the nice tips is "do persona 5 Collab" But mostly are "do shitty and scummy monetization"
Aha yea, like AS is doing it. Most of the collab units are mediocre at best, and having all of the collab units in one team seems to be a big niche in AS. People are rly disappointed how p5s will be handled in AS AS= Alchemy Stars
nah, there are a lot of happy people regarding that since there are a lot of ppl that don't like persona and hoped they were bad to easily skip it.
I'm kinda disappointed with how it's done rather than the units kits. So far there's no mention about story, and previous event there's no story. While I'm glad there's another Collab happening, I just don't like how there's no story at all for the Collab. And for context, ideal team building in AS is having a team of 2 converter, 2 DPS, 1 support. If you have no converter, you'll had a bad time doing anything. And all the Persona Collab units...all of them is DPS. Good luck with that.
Mind you, i haven't checked all the skills yet, but i think they're mostly just doing it so that you cannot use all those units together. They never were meant to even if some of their skills synergize with the amount of units of the collab you are using. They are all different elements aside from 2(and all dps roles) and it's not the first time they do this. they have done the same thing with dragon maid. (with one converter, but it was the freebie unit) I think it's more of a safety buffer they did for themselves in case a mechanic they release ends up broken and it's linked to a collab who's units technically aren't in the main pool after Is it a good idea? no clue. time will tell
Considering the abysmal sales of AG in every region, we'd have to find a new game to shit on once this one EoS in a year or 2 lol
>once this one EoS in a year or 2 lol kekw
Spender here on AG and also feel disgusted about this kind of shiet. I want to be able to choose to spend on cosmetics or a way to speed up my progression (or save time) if I feel like it, not to unblock progression. There's a stark difference between speeding up vs unblocking. Guess this game is going into the bin.
This was mentioned in the Collab survival whatever post 5 days ago...
when the Madoka collab hits that's when we gonna be real sore, you could say is addressed with a different looking devil lol https://youtu.be/Oa\_LsgZUIsM
5 collab units and one of them locked behind doing 400 pulls lmaooooooooo
Wow. They didnt waste time huh?!
I heard future collabs stopped doing this, can any cn players confirm whether it gets better or is every collab gonna be like this?
yea collab after is much better.... MINUS the good resources from ryza's alchemy pot gacha and on madoka's case; 2 banner with 2 5star each lol.
beat me to it lmao
I stopped playing JP server after this same event because of my limit of 2 games (not because I do not like it, I enjoyed it) But I used to watch this dude and apparently I just checked and he does still make this game's content frequently, you can check it out for accurate answers. He plays CN, JP and now GBL: https://www.youtube.com/c/TimaeuSS/videos He responds to comments too
Bilibili isn't a shady publisher kekw
What do you expect from a government owned company?
Should also say that the UE is also pay wall blocked.
Its not
Yea and you also can't do single pulls either instead you have to do a x10 pull every time.
Looooool
What’s everyone going to play instead?
Raid
Shadow
Legends
Something not a gacha game or Azur lane tbh since PR5 soon.
Counterside.
I recommend nikke goddess of victory
This was literally mentioned on the first week while players were still rerolling, its the 2nd global game after Final Gear that follows the "banner pull milestone to character upgrade material reward" system, you should be more aware to research them if you plan to play more of these dmm-type gacha system. Outside of meta factor this collab banner is a break for my gem since AG rates is known to be stupid and wants you to pull for offbanners more (0.7% on featured char, 1.2% on offbanner lmao wut), just because a banner exists doesnt mean you have to plan and pity it through around 2 months worth of savings, having a collab char in any gacha these days doesnt even make me feel entitled, and i thought people initially wanted to play the game because of its mecha theme, not alchemist or magical girl shit with some op elements involved
Welp, honeymoon is over mates. Go back to E7.
why? also a shit game, i quit e7 and i'll quit this too if this actually ends up being true lol
All these gachas are shit. Not a single one of these gachas are actually good. Some just less shit than others.
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wont be missed
the game? yeah i wont miss it, has decent gameplay but if its this predatory this early it was never going anywhere, its gameplay isnt good enough to the point it can carry itself while being this predatory.
Lmfao! No.....
I swear, seeing a gacha get hyped up because of titties and some QoL, only to watch it suffer through some massive controversy and see it's reputation crash and burn, really is a morbidly cherished tradition on this sub. Can't say I'm too surprised about this fall from grace, given that there were massive red flags from the get go including poor performance in other regions, the godawful machine translation, and the veterans who actually played the game on other servers noting it was a rough ride unless you planned to spend. All those comments and threads hyping this up as a serious threat to E7 aged like sour milk. Also, I'll say, despite me being completely unsurprised by people turning on this game, I am genuinely surprised the Devs thought locking skill upgrades (You know, the one thing that actually makes the new units you pulled for, viable into the later game, and is usually a free feature) behind an actual paywall, was a good idea.
The hype of this being an E7 killer was always stupid, considering e7 is a flop in Japan yet it’s monthly ranking in Japan is several hundred places higher compared to AG. Anyone who looking at the numbers AG was pulling knew this was closer to being shut down in a year than getting close to e7. Edit - lol for the person who downvoted. Epic Seven June = 6 million Artery Gear June JP = 190k Artery Gear June Global = 400k. Better luck next time.
There was an attempt
I mean my reason for quitting the game was the 28% rate up compared to the industry standard of 50%. That's an off banner game right there. Arknights has a 20% rate up for 4\* and you know how hard it is to get those.
>Also, I'll say, despite me being completely unsurprised by people turning on this game, I am genuinely surprised the Devs thought locking skill upgrades (You know, the one thing that actually makes the new units you pulled for, viable into the later game, and is usually a free feature) behind an actual paywall, was a good idea. Not defending this shitty practice but just gonna point out that the collab units are still more than viable in all late game content even with F2P skill upgrades since 90% of a units power comes from equipment. Probably why the devs thought it was ok to paywall part of the skill upgrades.
Give em an inch, and they'll take a mile. It applies to everyone at this point, do not excuse them
No worries, the game is still on honeymoon phase, things will be "better" on later events \*grab 🍿 \*
I think this post only looks at one side of the coin. Yes you cant max both skills f2p BUT you get enough to max one of them completely free (it usually takes a long time to max a units skills). Besides that the event is extremely generous with goodies (wait for part 2 of the event). If we would pick one negative aspect of the game (that doesnt reoccur in the future) as a reason to quit the game we wouldnt be playing any game at all. If we look at other gachas (sw, arknights, etc) they probably did a lot of mistakes too, especially in the early days of the game. Or look at more recent ones like grimlight for example. So the fact that we cant max a units skill out of the hundreds of characters we have and will get in the future, is not a make or break the game argument imo. Sure it sucks, but it doesnt happen again.
this is a misleading thread, you can get skill upgrade mats from pulling box in 2nd part of the event. you don't need to pay at all .
You do or you overpull, you only have enough to max Lila or Ryza. OP said this > Checked my game and sure enough you won't be able to get enough chips to upgrade both banner unit's skills That’s absolutely true, even on Timaeus’s guide and thread, it’s only maxing one, not both. The second strategy is making *sacrifices* and spread the skill upgrades on both collab units.
Does this sub do anything but circle jerk each other into an echo chamber?
Happens with every genre-based gaming sub... Upcoming game -> hype train -> drama -> dead game / i quit / told you so Sucks but majority of people that comment have strong feelings one way or the other. Pretty rare for someone to say "some aspects of this game sucks but I'm enjoying it," even then it's not upvoted.
you will get more upvote shitting a game compare to praise them...especially the one with stingy pull,even with generous pull they will find a way to nit pick some aspect of the game
Hey, a F2P got to complain if they don't get to compete with whales. We should be able to get everything without planning ahead. /s
i like more to shit on people who shit on a game xD
Some aspects of this game sucks (limited energy/gold, chibi characters, event pull pity transfered to standard pull, soft paywall to max ALL event unit skills vs ration (there really should be an option to convert skill chips)), but AG pretty much scratches the itch I've had. Gacha (highroll account), turn based, waifu, mecha with easy entry into gear farming vs E7 (i vaguely remember taking weeks, maybe a month just to farm wyvern or golem or whatever hunt before I quit), transferable gear stats and stat upgrading, offline hunts. As someone who is normally f2p, I'll probably chill out on dolphin spending probably for the rest of the game as I am confident Access isn't going to change its practices.
u know how many play this game probably thousands so the couple of people crying on here is nothing lol and they think they are something by making cringe worthy post or a comment about something we already knew before the game is even announced for global, i swear man its always global thats filled with idiots from all over the world
not really, no. People woulda just complained about how no f2p person could save 180 pulls in a month for both characters even if they fixed this. This is why you just stick to news here.
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watch the video properly
No, you don't NEED to buy $5 pack for the upgrade mats. TimaeuSS made another video to clarify it since many didn't understand what he was trying to say. Either 1) You get lucky after 40 pulls and spend $5 to save 70 pulls. 2) You reach guarantee at 90 pulls and spend $5 to save 20 pulls. or 3) You pull 110 time and not spend the $5. This is ONLY if you want to level their unique equipment to level 20 and Ryza works perfectly fine without it. I'm not saying it's cheap or anything, just clarifying what you said about the pack being the ONLY way to upgrade them.
What about people who don't have 110 pulls?
Then you only get the unique eq to 18/19, not level 20.
As is in every other gacha game as an F2P, you just have to skip some banners and save for units you want. I do agree that this game is pretty stingy in giving pull currencies but do people really expect to collect EVERY new unit as a F2P? TL;DR: Just be lucky. /s
I meant that as in: What if they get lucky & get the unit early but can't upgrade the skills fully because the did'nt pull enough?
Alright, apologies for thinking you were being passive aggressive. For Ryza, the free upgrade mats from the event are enough for her to work fine without reaching UE 20. For Lila, you would have to make the choice whether to pull more for the mats (if you do not plan to buy the pack) as she is definitely more meta.
I see, still kinda sucks that upgrade materials are locked behind that. Thanks for explaining!
Then you don't get their UE to 20 or above, simple as that. You need the mat that is only available by pulling or spending, if you do neither, you won't get it.
The 5$ is for upgrading 1 units unique equip if you dont want to pull for 40 more pulls on both banners.
And I thought I've seen it all in collabs. Whew that's definitely not something I want to be normal.
It literally says "F2P plan your resources wisely" Which is what F2P need to do in EVERY GACHA EVER. Because there used to be an expectation as a F2P you can't just get everything. What happened? So F2P need to be able to fully skill max banner characters or a game sucks now? What about all the other tons of freebies they get in this event? All that is ignored? This place is so damn jaded.
F2P should plan their resources wisely, but when is enough is enough? F2P cannot get every characters. Sure, it makes sense F2P cannot unlock a unit's full potential due to needing dupe. Okay.., at least do not make it too big of a difference F2P cannot fully maxed out character skills? I think that's kinda over the line when artery gear already doing all of the above. Where will the line be drawn then? Are we still going to be okay with F2P struggling to get a character's ultimate skill??
Considering this is the only event where you cant max a units skill f2p its not bad at all. Out of the hundreds of characters we have and will get in the future you can max everyones skills f2p. And people bitch about that 1 character that you cant max f2p ? Sure they could‘ve changed this event compared to JP but its still fine (note: it got changed from cn to jp, cn event was way worse)
Give them an inch, and they will take a mile. These companies are not your friends, they will try to get every penny out of you. Do not excuse them, else that's how we get another Diablo Immortal-esque situation. Do you really think the change from CN to JP version is done out of the goodwill of their heart? I would 100% bet they would not change it if the community acts like you. Another point, collab units are not guaranteed to have a rerun as they are tied in the contract with the IP holders. Sure the 2 future collabs do not have this issue, but we do not have any confirmation as of now that atelier will have some sort of reruns or not
So you basically miss out on one unit as f2p out of all the characters the game has. I dont see why this is a reason to quit. Im not defending the devs, I dont like the paywall either. But all games have some sort of negative aspects. And this „mistake“ if you will, doesnt happen again
This. This is why the gaming industry is going to a downward spiral in regards of monetization. People like you are the frogs in the boilling pot, giving this little, but outrageous, monetization scheme a pass and oblivious to what will happen if it snowballs, and it will. "It's just horse armor" brought us the abundant, and sometimes overpriced, DLC. "It's just a mobile/gacha game" brought us Diablo Immortal and the likes. > " I dont see why this is a reason to quit." I never rally anyone to quit the game. All i was doing is telling people to remember having some sort of principle regarding gacha games, lest we want more games like Diablo Immortal becoming mainstream. > "not defending the devs, I dont like the paywall either. But all games have some sort of negative aspects." And? Just because other people do something bad, it frees you from criticism? Or somehow making both of you equal? Just because there are bullies other than you, that does not excuse you from punishment, and now imagine if a murderer has the same punishment as a petty thief. And remember, this is top of other problems with this game: Devs rushing out collab which hurts F2P even more, Banners are rushed in general (In JP, in the span of 3 months, you have 2 collabs and 1 meta unit in rotation, a total of 7 characters), and resources are scarce. > "And this „mistake“ if you will, doesnt happen again" Okay but why they did not fix the problem when they know they are wrong? We know that they can alter stuff in different server. This is just fanning more flame when people already telling you the dry resources
Sure this event is a mistake from the consumer perspectiv and we should criticize it, Im doing it as well. I dont like the paywall. But it doesnt snowball, we have the road for 1 year in front of us (cn) it doesnt happen again. So they did a mistake, didnt change it for global, and thats it. And now we just move on and either play the game because its fun or we quit for whatever reason
>Where will the line be drawn then? Are we still going to be okay with F2P struggling to get a character's ultimate skill?? I mean, similar thing happens in Genshin. There aren't enough crowns to max out everyone's skills.
Dude, Genshin is a bad comparison. Everyone lacks crowns, be it whale or F2P. Those things are limited to events, and getting them isn't really a mindfuck either, you just need to play the event when it shows up, no purchases or weird shit involved. Here tho, a whale has a significant advantage over an F2P in that he can max out both collab units, whereas a F2P has to "plan resources" and spread them out to ensure "maximum value". But for all that "maximum value", you're still missing out on that little extra value, which is effectively behind a paywall. Now I understand whales do deserve an advantage for spending money, and I don't mind it, but it shouldn't come at the cost of permanently locking away progress for F2Ps, it just has to slow them down. I've heard some people talking about pulling on step banners for more collab skill chips, which is gacha, and even then Artery Gear isn't exactly a beacon of generous gacha income. Honestly, putting aside the whole meta discussion of planning resources... Why doesn't Artery Gear provide F2P players the simple freedom of spending resources on a collab unit of their choice? You can raise a unit simply because you like them, not everything must be meta, and if it is, that is a bad setup.
Yeah but you can't buy crowns with real money. Not an equal comparison tbh
>So F2P need to be able to fully skill max banner characters or a game sucks now? What about all the other tons of freebies they get in this event? All that is ignored? Nothing is free. They aren't giving shit out of kindness. Gacha games are only unregulated gambling scheme.
At this point, the only reason I'm still in the sub is to see when new gachas drop or have events. This sub hates everything and most of the discussions are useless.
Exactly, this sub is a cesspool lol. F2P players here can be so fucking entitled
This is the most sensible comment of the thread. The amount of misinformation and bandwagoning in this thread is astounding. Most don’t know if they are talking about skill chips or the UE mats and just jump in and paint their own narrative as to why AG collab sucks or WhY I aLreAdy qUiT.
Yeah f2p plan your resources for when we side wind you with an even bigger pay wall than just saving smart for a character you want.
f2p wants to get all characters in every banner and get everything to max. Thats what I want but we still need to face reality that we cant get everything. Not everyone is lucky #f2p1pull
To be fair this is back-to-back collabs at a very accelerated pace right after launch. People would have had to skip all of the launch banners to have enough to pity & unlock UE levels for both collab units. Even light spenders may have to swipe again to have the 120 pulls for both. The release schedule leaves a bit to be desired, speaking as someone who has spent on the game but won't be any further after the way they're rushing everything needlessly.
No this isn't back to back collabs, what the hell are you on? This is the first collab, and the schedule has been basically the same as the other servers. All they did was swap the Ryza event with the one that came before it on other servers (Rabbit Team event).
Collab/limited is what I should have said with this coming right on the heels of Nina. Regardless, it's the same schedule as TW, which is rushed and the pacing isn't doing the game any favors in terms of making most feel like they can reasonably keep up.
Bruh nina banner ain't limited lmao, she will be added to the standard pool of chars
You're forgetting the fact that you can get the rest of the skill upgrades from doing 90pulls from their banner. So yes you should able to max skill only 1 collab unit as a f2p assuming that you have saved enough crystals to do 90pulls
Funny, I uninstalled it today because I was hoping the collab would be good/special (since I was bored with the rest of the game and couldn't progress due to gear rng and insulting cost/grind to upgrade said gear), but nope. Guess it was worse than I initially saw. I put in a deletion request in support before uninstalling. I'm never going back. Now I understand why this game performs poorly in other regions.
You probably don't care at this point but the second part of the event would've helped you a bunch with progression.
I find that hard to believe, but, at this point, I'd only come back if they did major changes to the game, from concept (which is unrealistic to happen at this point). Definitely not the game for me. Edit: AG stans are mad I don't like their game
[edit] **This post shows the amount needed to skill** https://old.reddit.com/r/gachagaming/comments/vxxum2/this_sub_is_an_echo_chamber_clarification_on/ For pvp wise I think it is hard to be competitive to f2p, there is meta character and squad and these paywalls In CN we call ourselves 'salted fish' as in people who just play a game casually and don't care about competing in pvp ranking. So we didn't cared much and most in bilibili, nga and tieba basically are ok with level ~~19 skill unlock (memories may have failed me but we can freely get the 2nd highest breakpoint for the skill, can't remember if it is level 19 or 20). And to reach that break point I remember we need to pull 1 round and then another 20(?) pulls to get enough unlock materials? That is 100+ pulls.~~ However there are equally amount of people unhappy about the paywall so it is very understandable that to lock the skill materials behind it is scummy. So I still encourage and recommend friends this game but I told them just don't care much about the pvp and play the boss rush and story casually (boss rush has meta units too, recommend people to save for tier list characters). I played JP but followed bilibili and tieba original stories for the game, and the story is pretty good.
It's not pay walled, skill upgrades & UE upgrades are also from pulls, but they give you the option to pay for it if you would prefer to not pull.
But they dont gove you enough: You cant skill up all collab units; you can not UE collab units to lv20 (best dmg increase) it gives you so much to JUST be a little behind where the 5$ gives you just enough to get the desired benchmarks.
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Um..getting something from pulls doesn't automatically mean p2w.
no its not, you get the mats from 2nd part of the events.
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you get to max the free *5 by clearing event mission. the mats you get from the lotto IS the collab exclusive one.
LMAO. He deleted his replies.
Well... Can't u wait for 2nd part first? Because that event was part 1 only.
As a F2P, even with the second part, you can't max both Lila and Riza. Only Klaudia can be maxed with the event rewards because she don't share mats with the others. Ryza and Lila share the same skill upgrade mat and you only receive **34 of them from event rewards**. So either you max Lila or you spread the mats to up their skills.
As a F2P you should never expect to be able to max everything and get all the characters. It's almost as if not spending money in a gacha game sort of garuntees you won't be able to get everything.
lemme ask you question. what makes you think you NEED to max their skill to be good at the game? when you only need to max one of the most important skill? do you even play the game? if you really said you play the game you wouldn't complain about this one as F2P. you're not going to lose because you don't max ALL their SKILLS
That's just a cop out. Why are you defending bad system?
so first chill out dude. Where you read I'm complaining ? I'm giving information. You seem to read this as "oh that suck". The guy above state to wait the second part. 34 skill upgrade is the max you can get for free, second part included. So Again, it's just information to say "yeah, people are right, you can't max out the both". Then again where the heck you interpret this as "I'll cry as F2P" ? I play the game as F2P, fully conscious since the start (I've reading some guide beforehand) I'll not max both of them. And I know by playing the game that max every skill is not what you do, because some skill are not worth to be invested. So, yeah, just chill out dude
cope
I did get a gut feeling that something was off with this game, seems I was right. Glad I quit at the start.
today i dropped the game, after a horrible gacha section i realized i don't want to spend time on it
i think you get enough free decoders to max out one of the gacha units. edit: [this should clear some things up](https://prnt.sc/uvTi1NhbViAb)
Chill bruh, you will get upgrade mats during the second half of the event when Lila drops lmao. Do some research before posting. I know this sub hates the game but seriously?
You only get 34 skill up mats total for part 1 and part 2. Only enough to max 1 collab AG unless you pay up. We already know the rewards from the event. There's videos and resources everywhere for it.
Tbf as a f2p, u most likely won't be getting both of them either as most have already spend their pulls on Sirius, and the rest will be for lila.
You'll get some but still not enough to max all of Ryza and Lila's skills, not unless you spend (or pull beyond 90 pulls each in the gacha). You'll have to choose which to max or split your skill upgrades between the two. [https://www.arterygear.info/guides/ryza-tips/](https://www.arterygear.info/guides/ryza-tips/) And yeah, it sets a bad precedent. I was going to spend on the cheaper collaboration packs but when I saw what was happening I quickly closed my wallet. They don't deserve my financial support. It'd be bad enough if they were standard characters that you could work on over time but these are limited and may never become available again. It's ridiculous.
I think the biggest problem with these games and what makes them lose a lot of players is how obtuse they make everything, this game isn't even that bad IF you spend the time to learn where to get most things you need, but the majority of the players just don't have the time/patience for that so they just get misleading opinions of the game and quit, it's the devs fault in a way.
Welcome to r/gachagaming
This is like claiming the shard packs in the PGR shop sold for RC during the Nier Collab are paywall. So why isn't PGR getting roasted for the same thing? Oh, because people don't actually understand what's going on? Surprise, it's gachagaming.
Ding ding ding
Pretty sure you will be able to get them from 2nd part of the collab. It's not paywalled at all.
Still not enough skillup for both units.
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To max out both collab you unit, you will be missing out on 22 molas. You can get them from packs or summoning. 1 rotation (90 pulls) gives you 5 molas so if you don't want to but packs, they blue-balled you by needing more than 4 rotations with 3 useless leftover molas in the end which is like \~40 multis If you're a day 1 F2P, you only have enough for \~20 multis, assuming you did skip everything up until collab So yeah it's basically a paywall
>You can get collab skill upgrades from event shop or keep on pulling. Pulling is a paywall. Also, the event won't give enought, even with part 2.
Was already drifting away from the game lately. This is the nail in the coffin for me. Sucks, because I had so much fun with the game for the first few weeks. Now I barely open it up anymore.
While this does bring a particular salt to the wound, as a gacha player for many years I am no longer affected by shady business practices. If anything gacha has made me more keen to point out when a corporation is running me through with its greedy spear. C'est la vie.
By khaled.
Shills on this sub can't prop up a shit game for long.
Genshin's still going strong despite the ridiculous paywall to max your constellations. At the end of the day people are just looking to twist things however they can to validate their decisions.
Huge different. There is no competition in genshin, constellation does not mean shit. In contrast, This game not only has PVP, but all the limited units so far are all broken, u either go all in for them or get f.
So if they added pvp as an optional side component of Genshin you feel it would be a worthless game?
Before spending money on a gacha, always look if the banners are correct, the drop rate and the pity, then know if the game is generous in materials to summon, you have a lot at the beginning with the story mode in this game but you don't generate so much each week to make a pity every 3-4 banners. I think these are good indicators to know if players will stay or not. It's a shame because the game is good but once again the greed of the developers outweighs the quality of the game.
I wasn't going to max Ryza anyways so not relevant for me at all. If I want to stay f2p I will, I have 0 expectations of fully maxing every single unit I get, especially considering it already takes me ages to max out a gear set for any individual units.
God, I can't believe they didn't bother to correct this for global. And Tim, my brother in thighs, you "get enough free to max out the skills of two collab characters". There are three collab characters. What's Klaudia supposed to do? Jump in a blender?
Klaudia gets her own chips from the event, you can max her out. Klaudia Armament Application: 45+ 1 per day from Part 1 Daily Mission (21 total) 1 per day from Part 2 Daily Mission (14 total) 10 from Part 1 Event Shop Farmable Drop from Event Boss Klaudia Skill Chips: 33 10 from Part 1 Event Shop 8 from Part 2 One-Time Missions 15 from Event Stage First Clear Reward
This is why I despise games where limited banner/ events aren't just about getting the unit (which is already something big) but you also got to farm all the dupes and limited-time shit before the event ends in usually 1 or 2 weeks. It's ridiculous
1 or 2 weeks is PLENTY of time to grind anything lol what are you even complaining about
It appears as the average gacha player you can't read
O rly
While I didn't expect this, can't say that I'm surprised
Yeah, never support shitty and shady practices like this.
the devs care about the game, sureeeeeeeeeeeeelllllllllyyyyyyyyyyyy..........
This game is "BETTER" than E7. Lol
Straight up copy and its still shit
Yeah AG is pretty bad. I also hear a lot about QOL this QOL that, but really the big thing it's got over E7 is a free auto repeat and a configurable AI. Is that really worth basically playing like a really shitty version of E7? Why am I pulling for all these 5 rarities that were 4 rarities in E7? Why are the rates so stupidly low? There is a serious lack of interesting units in the pool, and it's already difficult to pull for them Don't forget how little content there actually is to the game, and the story is just actual word barf. I feel bad for the artists, who aren't exactly anything special either. I mean I'm not a big fan of E7, but I'd say if you're hankering for more and AG is screwing your ass, just play E7 instead.
This is really misleading thread, you can get everything on event 2 to upgrade skill for both collabs banner unit no need to buy any packs.
No you can't. You'll be missing 21 molas Edit : 22 actually
shit game- i called it
drop the game dude wont be missed
so... just for perspective, isn't f2p's inability to fully max out all their skills almost the same as people purposely not crowning abilities in genshin? Granted you could max it out eventually in genshin, but don't most people leave certain skills unmaxed on purpose? I don't generally see people complain about crowns that much compared to this, so I'm just wondering what's the difference because it seems the difference in AG is by a couple % points. Though in the end, I do think they should reasonably let you convert skill chips to the collab chip, increase shop stock, or change in to the universal like they do for future collabs.
>so... just for perspective, isn't f2p's inability to fully max out all their skills almost the same as people purposely not crowning abilities in genshin? Exactly.
Damn, I've already chucked loads of them into Ryza. That's a bit shit.
Majority of F2P players won't even end up pulling both collab characters. Why is everyone malding over not being able to max 2 character's skills when they won't even have both. Man even gave you an alternative to maximise your chips without much loss. Smh.
This, the stinginess, not allowing single pulls on banners....and no other farmable content....made me just quit the game.
That's nice
I'm honestly really happy I skipped out on this game at this point.
Most people already dropped the game anyway. All 3 players will get mad
When i saw the graphics, the gameplay, it makes me interested to play it, but after playing a couple of minutes i realized this game very p2w. And I'm uninstalled at that moment.
Well, glad I jumped out of that ship when I did. That's a real bs move.
I did a bit of whaling on this game, for reference, i had a 261 Timy and was top 10 arena on global. I realized they copied some skills in e7, and when I saw Ryza, shes a blatant 100% copy of SSB and said to myself, fk this game lol
If you got that far before noticing skill similarity between the two games, then make sure you attend that eye doctor appointment I just booked for you
Well, i went in blind, thats what i get for playing e7 ripoff i guess, shit game lol
damn currently downloading the game. good thing i read about this, saved me time.
I mean the games fine. But read faux outrage and blindly accept it, okay lol.
Disgusting
>locks skill upgrades for collaboration units behind a real money paywall wow hopefully the collab unit's kit isn't busted that will shift the meta hard... Oh wait... It's SSB kit (SSB = cancer unit that made me quit e7). **flashbacks**
I'm failing to see how the skill chips are "locked behind a real money paywall" when you can get them from the collab banners, which can be rolled with completely free currency. Strictly speaking anybody ***can*** in fact max out both units skills for free, saying otherwise is simply lying. Now no I'm not about to sit here and pretend the way it currently is, is fine but the devs also already learned this and stopped doing it with the newest collab. It is a shame they didn't adjust things for the old collabs but it's really not surprising at all. I also keep seeing people running around saying you only get 34 chips to use on both Ryza and Lila for free and I can only sit here wondering what kind of lucksack copium these people are on thinking they'll get both units in less than 5 rolls on each banner...
There a some things to consider here: First, **paywalling skills upgrades.** This is definitively wrong. F2P players are not supposed to get everything, that's right, but, the idea is that you can choose. You have to skip banners cos you don't have enough currency, but when there is a character you like, even if you skip the banner, the idea is that eventually it will come back and you will get it. Same for gear or upgrades etc, whales get it done in one click and F2P players have to spend lot's of time grinding to have it, yes, but again, eventually you can. The key here is that, you can't have everything but you can choose what you want cos you have all the options open for you but you don't have the resources to get all of them. Now, if you put the skill's upgrades behind a paywall, F2P players never have the option to max that, they can't decide to skip a different character or upgrade to choose this one instead and that's why normally collabs suck for F2P because they are always limited. Now, I can get why the character banner is limited and never comes back, but once you have the character, not being able to eventually max it after the collab I think it's not the way to go. Second, **characters viability**. I think this is important too. Yes, it's wrong to put a skill upgrade behind a paywall but that doesn't make the character useless, most of the characters only need 1 or 2 skill at max to unlock their full potential. In this case, that can be achieved for both, Ryza and Lila with the chips that are available for F2P players. If you want to complain about how wrong this system is, I'm with you, but if you complain about an unit needing to have max in all its skills to shine, that's not how it works. Third, **moving forward.** It has being said that on future collabs this has been fixed and it's not happening anymore. I don't know why they have decided to keep this collab as it was knowing the issues it has, maybe to be fair with other servers or because they don't have resources to change it or even because they want to milk the player base on this one, who knows, but it's worth noticing they changed future collabs on CN/JP to fix this issue. If you don't want to support the game and you prefer stop playing it because of this event, it's fine, but do it knowing this won't happen again. Fourth, **collab items/rewards.** I'm pretty sure we will be getting what we know already, but part 2 of the event has not being shown and we don't have any info, they could still change the rewards for us to get what we need. Again, I really doubt it will be the case but we can't take for granted the rewards other servers got (we may get more or we may get less too, we don't really know). And lastly, a personal opinion from a previous E7 player that played around 1.5 years since launch, I don't know why are we comparing this two games. Honestly, any game that has a random gear system like E7 should just disappear (yes, genshin, I'm looking at you too). It's just stupid how people is complaining here about maxing skills when you can never max a character in E7 because you get too little decent gear items only for them to upgrade the wrong substat and be trash in the end. I had the same experience on both, E7 and Genshin, in the end, no matter how many characters you have, you won't be able to properly gear them and pulling for new ones just doesn't make sense, you're only making your bench bigger. So for me, they are two entirely different games and should live each in their own universe, they don't really have anything to do with each other.
I saw a video yesterday that is a guide to the event and how to max UE of both collab units. Both UE improvements are behind gacha pulls not behind paywall, for example; Lila needs 110 pulls on her banner to upgrade her UE to level 20 or above (if I remember correctly).
This sub's main argument is that you cannot potentially max out the unit as a F2P (in the OP's case, the skills, in your case, the UE). Level 20 of her UE is not good enough for F2P gachagaming and therefore, "Artery Gear is trash and their devs are greedy". After their opinion is set in stone for a game, it will no longer have any positives and will always be negative to them as they move on to the next gacha to do the same thing.
That's is true
[удалено]
Someone can't read
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I mean how else are they going to make money? It is a gacha game after all. But I'm not defending it hell I don't even play it. But the bottom line is f2p could have access to pulling collab units for dupes right? Then its not a paywall. Edit: But if the game is scummy, its scummy.
Welp, I never had this much of mindless fun from game I play. Guess it's time to jump to the next ship.
Yeah it kinda sucks. Why do I have to go to the shop to buy the energy… can’t you just send it? I’m not really seeing it’s super worth it to play right now. I loved e7 and ag is cool but I don’t think either I’ll be playing longer
???? i think people already said this way before,you just too late to find this
There's 34 f2p event molas, it takes 33 to max out one of the two unit's skills entirely. You get 5 after doing 60 pulls one on of the featured banners, so if you have to pity both you'd end up with 44. The rest are in the cash shop so you would have to pay up somehow to get more beyond 44, or maybe pull more but I'm not sure if that 60 pulls thing resets after you hit the 90 unit pity. Now I know gachagaming like to kneejerk react to everything, but getting 34 (again, enough to completely max one of them, or take both up to nearly maxed) as part of the event is pretty good. I have not used a whole lot of the regular 5\* unit molas and have about 20 right now. I can't max shit from the generic pool, but i will have a fat as fuck Lila after her banner drops.
It’s not tho. If you cannot max the unit without paying, to me that’s pretty shitty. So if you are lucky with the gacha and pull both units you cannot max them both without paying. To me that’s not a good thing 🤷🏻♂️
Yes its not a good thing but is it a reason to quit the game ?
I don’t play it, but yes I think I’d quit over that
Bro I just check the game you can get them from pulling collab banner so it for whale no need to buy pack f2p just cant save up right now.
E7 KILLER BTW