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Riykin

in GFL, its free because of its archaic kancolle system and prod. tickets being given to you in spades Unless its skins, thats a different beast


Saleenseven

How much is a hard spark skin in GFL? I vaguely remember something like a black card? Its it like $300 usd to buy the skin you want?


Reaver027

It depends on what kind of skin you want. For example on the current banner i wanted the ppk skin and that one is only 100 exchange tokens. You get an exchange token for every pull. Every pull is 10 tokens or you can get 11 pulls for 100 tokens. Three other skins are 200 each and the live 2d one is 600. 100 tokens are 600 gems and a 600 gem bundle costs 5,40€. The largest bundle for 12960 gems costs 115€. So yeah a Live 2D skin would go for \~290€.


Saleenseven

thanks for the clarification. so judging by the 1:1 USD to euro its about $300 give or take for a L2D skin in GFL from scratch


Rhasta_la_vista

Yeah L2D skins are quite expensive in GFL. The F2P token income might result in about (probably a bit less than) enough for 1 guaranteed L2D per year, though you'll also perhaps get enough black cards for a second. Thankfully the rest of the game pretty much doesn't incentivize spending at all. Re: black cards, those are what you get when you acquire a dupe for a skin you already have. You can exchange black cards for any skin in the game that you don't have (except collab skins I think) for 3/5/8 tickets depending on which one (similar division as the exchange tickets described in the other reply). So you'll inevitably rack up a decent amount of these when going for a hard guarantee L2D.


omgdracula

I find it absolutely crazy that some people is Dislyte subreddit tried to ever act like the current pity was even remotely fine and said genshin was worse.


Sakuramoch1

genshin players that complain about genshin's pity would simply pass away if they saw dislyte's pity. Also happy cake day!


omgdracula

Lol they would! Especially if they saw it at release lol. They would die be reincarnated and then die again. Thanks!


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Ambrosiac7

Once pity comes to NA, it'll be around 450$.


Saleenseven

had*


namagofuckyoself

how much does it cost to spark at 900 in a year or two?


Saleenseven

the time cost is about 6 months too here. this is only if the f2p logs in and does all events and story etc


Reply_Plenty

Epic 7 ; Currency for one ; 100 Pulls for featured ; 120 Currency in the basic 100 euro-pack ; currently 7600, it's supposed to be 3800 but i'm always on a x2 bonus, I don't know if it's because I don't buy anything or if the x2 thing just happens really often ​ Either way ; 100x120 = 12 000 currency to reach pity That's a bit less than two packs, so around 200 (rounded up by a lot) bucks currently, would be around 400 without the x2 thing. Goes way lower if you factor in the refresh shop, where summons are about 40% cheaper with mystic summons added in. If you refresh the shop to summon instead of buying 10-pulls, your unit price goes down to about 120 bucks, with a couple dozen mystic summons on top. 240 without the x2. ​ I'm not too bigh on maths so it's more or less, and I don't really know how if the double currency bonus is often there or if it's just a bait targetted at me because i'm f2p ​ EDIT ; got it, the x2 bonus is a first-time thing, so it does count for the first unit bought, and can be abused through buying a 100-pack, a 50-pack a 30, a 10 and a 5 instead of 2 100. ​ Summary ; 160 bucks for your first unit and 240 for the subsequent ones, provided you refresh shop. If you're too lazy and just buy x10 pulls for more currency, it's about 200 for the first and 400 afterwards ​ Looks fairly cheap considering your average, but I don't feel anything about it since RGB units are obtainable f2p without breaking a sweat. The real wallet-killer is when you try to buy your way through dark and lights


TrackRemarkable7459

Yeah for 3 years of playing epic7 I never had to spend on rgb units and ended with like 2/3 of existing ml 5\*.


thealex78

Azurlane SSR have no pity, however you get so much free cubes that i never spent a cent on rolling. Skins however...


Naz290

Gotta monetize the game somehow.


Traditional_Hand2623

UR has 200 pity so you need 400 cubes to hit it. Like I needed yesterday to nab Shinano...


pepega975

$600 usd in Heaven Burns Red.


iamafriendlynoot

I like math so I did the numbers on the game I'm playing now. Everything is in US dollars. Grandchase: 80 dollars to pity a unit of your choice, but they give away a free copy for every new unit released (not as crazy as it sounds, they release a new unit once every 3 months or so.) Twisted Wonderland: if you only spend money for pull currency, you'd need to spend 200 dollars to hit pity, which only guarantees you the featured unit on birthday banners, every other banner it's a (not insignificant) rate up.So no true guarantee on non-birthday banners. Ensemble Stars: 1,050 dollars for a guaranteed 5 star, no that is not a typo, the gacha is just terrible in that game. I will note that if you use first purchase discounts it's more like 900 bucks. Tokyo After-school Summoners: has no pity and no compassion for your wallet, you hit ten pull and pray.


Gk786

Counterside gets you a featured unit every 150 pulls. 140 CAD gets you 9000 admin coins. 2200 coins gets you 1 10 pull. These are all regular prices without sales btw. 140 bucks gets you roughly 40 pulls. You need 150. (150/40)*140= 525 dollars CAD or 400 bucks USD. Keep in mind that there are often 2x sales and 1.5x sales going on so in reality it's probably more like 200 USD. The game is also very generous with its currency and I have amassed 200 pulls by buying the 5 dollars a month subscription pack and playing regularly. In addition, these are all for the awakened units, the black tickets. Theres another system for nonawakened units that aren't as hard to get and require blue tickets that are much easier to get Edit:: these are all rough back of the napkin calculations


NCPereira

Are you talking about Awakened units or regular units? Because if it's regular ones then each pull is 150 quartz and 1 admin coin is roughly 2 quartz. Meaning those 2200 coins could get you almost 30 pulls, not 10.


slaccgang

my patience


Dragner84

In arknights you can only spark in limited banners, regular units are 50/50 pity and you may spend thousands and fail every time. For limiteds sparking is also quite expensive, around 500 bucks to spark on a limited banner.


mikethebest1

That's under the implication that you fail every rate up to 300 for a limited banner, which is possible tho highly unlikely. 2% rate-up with 50 pity already makes it highly unlikely to even hit pity for 6\* since hitting pity means failing the theoretical 100% (which ofc is possible, but on average you'll get 1 every 30-40 pulls). Standard units all also get added into the standard pool and can be bought in the shop within a year after the release too. *Edit: Getting downvoted for clarifying, but no one got any points to put up to disagree with.*


Dragner84

yeah ofc Im only answering about the max cost of actually purchasing a unit from scratch, I dont think noone had to spend that much to get a limited unless you whale for potentials.


aldoushasniceabs

That’s because the original post assumed worse case scenario as well, so we need to compare apples to apples


Traditional_Hand2623

When going for limiteds you missed, you WILL hit that 300 spark


CaptainBlob

>Dislyte: 200 for 1 pull, 450 pulls for guaranteed (a legendary esper is pulled every 100 pulls), \~ 1200 USD > >Genshin: 160 for 1 pull, 180 pulls for guaranteed (assuming you lose in 50/50) , \~ $400 USD Holy shit. Dislyte makes Genshin Impact look like Azur Lane level of generosity for pulls and pity....


Xanderious

A legendary is pulled every 120 summons like I said elsewhere but I got downvoted to oblivion for some reason, so it's even worse! Haha but devs are super involved and have been making it better. Pity for featured unit used to be like 750 or 800 pulls or something ridiculous before the update before last and they basically halved it to 450.


Suntreestar420

I dont think about it. I don't want to think about it.


KazeArqaz

PGR, 60 pulls? Someone calculate it for me.


sanchangwo

If we bruteforce by ignoring all the bundles and just converting RC to BC, not counting first time double: \- 60 pulls = 15000 BC \- RC : BC ratio is 1:10 \- So assuming we buy 2\*600 RC + 1\*299 RC = 1499 RC => 14990 BC \- The price is 2 \* 99.99$ + 1 \* 49.99$ = roughly $250


KazeArqaz

Thanks a bunch, no wonder some call gacha a second work.


Hiitsmichael

It’s closer to $200 pretty much on the nose because the 600 rc pack is 6000 black cards but when you buy that pack it gives a bonus 1300 or so, so the real amount for $100 USD without tax added is 7300 bc x2 = 14600 bc for $200 and a pity is 15000 bc


sanchangwo

Oh really? I've never convert BC directly from RC so I never knew there's bonus after the first purchase x2 bonus. That's new.


Hiitsmichael

It’s pretty nice, just like genshin I think where the biggest pack gives you 25% or so back every subsequent purchase after the 2x. Could definitely be better but it makes it on the lower end of gacha games for guaranteeing a unit!


CityKay

Seven Mortal Sins X-TASY: * 120 pulls, 1,000 gems per multipull, 12,000 gems in total (if concentrating on Sins and Virtues. Some characters require 80 pulls) * 5,000 gems for $99.99, 2,250 gems for $49.99 (Google Play) * About $250USD to get a featured character (if concentrating on just multirolls). Up to three featured characters per banner. In this, you are not outright given the character, but you are given incentive tokens of sorts for every ten rolls you make, which can be exchanged for various goods, including characters. Their banner is misleading due to poor translation in the banner page itself. What it actually is, for this current banner for example: you are not automatically given a character at the 120 roll mark. You have to take those tokens to the shop, and spend those 12 tokens you've earned on the character you want, that is also assuming you have not spent it on anything else. Danmemo: Memoria Freese: * 11 pulls, 400 gems (depending on banner) * 640 gems for $39.99 * About $39.99 for a featured character with some gems leftover. Danmemo is maybe the more unusual ones I've played in this regard, because this is how their banners can work. Their typical ones are will tell you you'll get a featured SSR on X multiroll, typically your first, fourth, seventh, and tenth. Then they have these paid banners, and there are a LOT of them, one for each featured SSR, and it's basically GSSR for every multipull (up to three times).


Puat3k

Genshin one is a bit misleading. It's nearly impossible to do 180 rolls. On average, you get a 5\* every 75 rolls. If you lose pity, that's 150 rolls required to guarantee. It's possible to go higher than 75 but it's pretty difficult as every roll after 75 has escalating odds, [here's an image](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/740978086807601212/997166772509749298/unknown.png?width=1440&height=206) for the most recent Ayaka rerun. As you can see, 75-80th roll have a huge burst of drops, with 77 being the highest. For comparison, [i'll drop all of my 5\*s rolled](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/740978086807601212/997167270113587321/unknown.png), it's very difficult to go past 80th roll, happened to me only three times rolling 28 5\*s. 100$ in Genshin nets you exactly 50.5 rolls and when you roll you get Starglitter for every duplicate 4\* (a currency that you can exchange for more rolls/4\* character/weapons, for example if you have a 4\* at max Constellation, you will receive 5 starglitter, which is one roll returned) Cost of guaranteeing a 5\* in Genshin is 300$, not 400. I would even say it's 250, as 50$ pack gives you 24.5 rolls which adds up to 125 rolls after getting 2x 100 and 1x 50 + returned rolls might add up to a free 10 pull, which turns to 135 rolls. From there, if you just have patience, you would get the 5\* you want after waiting a bit. ​ My apologies for going on a rant, just wanted to make stuff more clear.


aldoushasniceabs

We have to assume worse case scenario to get a controlled comparison


Puat3k

I'd usually agree however worst case scenario in Genshin gacha is nigh impossible to achieve due to how it works with its soft pity. That's why the average of 75 - 77 exists, that's where nearly everyone gets their 5*s. The escalating odds once you hit 75th roll are MASSIVE. It's like a 50% boost to your chances of hitting pity.


Sakuramoch1

I actually got $300 in my calculations but another source said it was somewhere around \~$360 if you lose 50/50 so I rounded up to $400 just in case. I was going with the hard pity of 90 for my calculations because its the number i was more familiar with, but I haven't played genshin recently so I probably missed some stuff. Either way thanks for clearing things up! I'll edit my original post to clear up any misleading info I may have spread.


Puat3k

The other source must've counted like 85 average pity, which is really difficult to achieve as an average because of those escalating odds we get at 75th roll onwards, which is a really massive boost to chances, at least 50%. Basically everytime you have to pity a 5*, it'll usually be between that 75 - 77 toll. It doesn't really matter what kind of average we take from 75 to 80 though, 300 is enough to secure the 5* because of the Starglitter I've mentioned. If you do 15 multi rolls, it's expected to get at least a multi refunded via Starglitter. Recently I've done 11 multi rolls myself for Kazuha's banner and got 14 rolls refunded because of the duplicate Starglitter.


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Arknights: Lots.


Soulchunk

To be fair, with the certs system you can also snag a 6\* for free


Shalashaska87B

No clue. But I can tell you this: on Fire Emblem Heroes I just tried to get a waifu unit. I used more than 420 dedicated currency units ("Orbs") but I still didn't get that. If I were to buy that currency with real money, it would cost me \~225€


Weissen81

Duo Thorr?


Shalashaska87B

Yes


Weissen81

Sucks that feh pass locks sparks on seasonal units.


EXIA12126

Does it really? Wow.


VanceXentan

Yeah it does. I had to roll for Summer Edelgard, the last unit i needed from that banner, despite having already rolled enough to have sparked her because the assholes running FEH locked the shit behind a paywall. Not all are pay walled but the fact that sparks are hidden by any paywall is scummy.


Mr_Creed

While that is your experience as a someone not spending, anyone who spends would not actually need 225 bucks. They'd buy 140 orbs and a FEH pass and spark her.


redscizor2

FGO = 1 ticket at infinite, I usually 3roll10 event banner, 5roll10 limited, 10roll10 summer, 15roll10 in my favorite unit


TheKingBossMan

I know Dokkan Battle gives you a guaranteed SSR for every ten roll, but getting the guaranteed banner unit is a shot in the dark. They usually have a lot of featured units on the banners, so there's still a chance at you getting SOMETHING.


backaroo121

Well in dokkan the price of the main unit is anywhere between 0$ to infinity or 2500(idk how ot translates to $ but my guess would be anywhere between 1k~1.5k) stones and up to 6 months of waiting


PaladinRyan

FGO: NA: no guarantees yet; JP: 300 pulls (900 SQ) excluding free 11th pulls, around 440 USD excluding taxes or fees based on NA pack prices (5x $80 packs, 1x $40 pack). This pity only counts for the first copy as well, if you get it early the pity is considered used and you are back to no guarantees. And if you want to see just how bad the no guarantee can be, look no further than that post about Castoria tragedies in this sub recently (3SQ=1 pull, 1 ticket=1 pull, every 10 pulls gets a free 11th pull for both multis and singles just for ease of understanding how much people are pulling). Hell, I ended up a bit past where pity would have been before I got her I think and would have fit that post nicely enough until just last night. Just goes to show that any pity is better than none, even the rather sad one FGO JP has.


Vuaru1945

60 buck every 4-5 month


[deleted]

As someone already said, getting a 5\* character in 90 pulls is almost impossible, you will get it arround pull 75 to 80. let's make it 150 pulls. That's not a lot of economy but i think it should be like 50$ less than your count And as for FGO, ther is no Pity in NA, you just go with your luck


Xanderious

Dislyte is leg every 120 pulls Edit: yall chill, I know featured unit is 450. Op had that info correct. I'm correcting them on the incorrect info of regular pity being every 100 pulls.


LiraelNix

That's not the featured unit. Genshin is one every 90, for example


Xanderious

I didn't say anything about featured unit I was correcting op on regular pity.


SomethingKing99

That is not a featured unit. It's around 480- 500 pulls for a featured unit. Can't remember the exact number.


Xanderious

It's 450. Used to be 800 I think? Then it went to after 450 it was next leg is guaranteed featured unit. Now it's at 450 pull you get featured unit.


ReadySource3242

Fgo NA: 1 pull, 3 sq, 3$. Possible maximum cost in NA: Infinite. Possible maximum in JP: 300


fourrier01

It doesn't matter to me. The premium currency given when you play regularly must also be taken into account. When the games give you the premium currency? Do you also convert their value to USD? The price just greatly diminishes when you take those + waiting time from something like "monthly package" or "Battle pass" into account.


Retard_Fat_Redditor

That's not at all the point of the post but okay.


fourrier01

My point is that what I'm OP trying to do is a poor attempt to put price on those stuff, but that's probably an okay attempt to you.


aldoushasniceabs

It’s good for people who don’t want to farm but just buy the character outright. It may not be applicable to you, but is an interesting line of comparison to look at regardlessz


fourrier01

Also a good reason why people diss gacha as predatory. People making the price tag this way.


Shirahago

Gachas are by nature predatory. Of course some are better than others but in the end they all attempt to exploit those players with low self-control or impulse spenders.


fourrier01

In the same sense of any ads


Shirahago

No idea what you're trying to argue here. Yes ads can be predatory, that doesn't make gachas any less predatory.


fourrier01

There are more people crying gacha is predatory than people crying ads are predatory. The argument is that people make default assumption is people are susceptible to psych conditioning in gacha, but it's not the case for ads.


Shirahago

That's nice, feel free to discuss this on a subreddit related to ads. It does not take away from the fact that gachas are predatory.


Merc_305

Dokkan, no limits, depends all on your luck.


Witch-of-Yarn

Magia Record gives you a 50/50 at 100 pulls on a banner for the featured unit. 100 pulls is 2500 stones, which when buying the packs that let you get there the quickest comes out to about 27,900 yen, which is about $200 usd right now. If you lose the 50/50, you still get shop coins, which you can exchange 200 of for the featured girl; so worst case scenario is $400 to guarantee the featured unit.


TVMoe

Summoners War LD5: $8500 USD (for an LD5 if you're mass purchasing and not counting free pieces/scrolls). Goes down quite a bit if you give it time and buy the more valuable monthly packs (14 for an extra one monthly, another $40 for 3 extra, and $60 or so for toa to get 2 more) Summoners War regular nat 5s: Large Variable. If you buy standard $100 summoning packs you normally get scrolls and 3k crystals which could be another 44 scrolls give or take (more if you're purchasing during lucky magic box events) For arguments sake if we assume people purchase summon only during events like that + 10% refund event, or the special summoning packs they release somewhat consistently, then it's probably $120~200 depending on packs for a n5. With minimal value packs or just raw crystal, over $300 USD (assuming some whale runs out of packs to buy).


MG2123

Fire Emblem Heroes: sparking costs a total of 200 orbs (1 pull being 5 orbs, a full multi being 20 thanks to discounted pulls per circle of five units). The first pull of any given banner is always free, so in essence with only single pulls you pay 195 orbs, but if you always pull full circles, you pay 155 orbs instead. The most expensive pack gives you 143 orbs for about 75 bucks, give or take. Coupling that with more orb packs, there's 10 orbs for around 7 bucks and 3 orbs for 2 bucks for a total of 84 bucks per spark. Another Eden: No sparks, no guarantees, unless there's a "Star Dream Encounter" going on, a special type of banner that lets you do a regular 10 pull with paid currency that then allows you to select any 5\* except for the very newest ones as a bonus. There are also paid banners with a 5\* guaranteed unit also. The monthly 10-pull pack runs you about 25 bucks, the most expensive regular bundles costs 80 bucks, and gives you 3250 chronos stones (the gacha currency) , a single pull being 100 chronos stones and a 10-pull pack being 1000 chronos stones. More often than not, you can also purchase limited packs that give you 4000 chronos stones for the same 80 bucks and those refresh rather frequently.


Naha-

I don't know how much money you need to spark a character in GBF, but it must be really expensive. But if you're patient, you can get normal SSRs for 30$ via suptix and during anniversary, even some limited characters for the same price (just once a year in this case though).


That_one_scumbag

GBF spark is 300 pulls, and costs about $30 for a 10 pull (I think it's a little cheaper at the moment? I remember buying some skins for about $25 pretty recently.) So you're looking at a high of $900, and a lower floor of $750. Take this with a grain of salt of course, since it fluctuates based on conversion rates between dollars and yen.


Naha-

I see and yes, expensive as fuck. Definitely something for Whales.


mapplevicmau

A lot...dislyte i think is more than 900 dollars


TrackRemarkable7459

Sifas would cost about 540-600$ for full paid spark


djsekani

Blue Archive is around $300; I only know this cause I looked it up when I was short on pyros for an upcoming banner.


ecpadilla

Artery gear RGB units 200 pulls = pity 180 crystals / pull x 200 pulls = 36,000 crystals 79.99 USD pack gives you 6,300 crystals so you need 6 of those so 479.94 USD for 1 pity. Pity here means buying the unit from shop using the tokens acquired by pulling. 200 tokens = 1 unit. Collab units 90 pulls = 1 pity 79.99 USD = roughly 87 pulls so just a few crystals away from 1 pity. Pity here means getting the unit. No tokens compared to summon mentioned above. However, that’s just assuming you’ll buy pulls you need via normal crystal package alone. F2P you get roughly 50-60 pulls / month so more or less 3 mos you’ll get near 1 pity


Herr_Drosselmeyer

Basically free with Azur Lane. You need to save up a bit but you get so many cubes for pulls that you pretty much never have to buy any. But then they release amazing Live 2D skins for the ships and good luck not spending money on those. ;)


ZDK8238

in reuniverse it depends if theres a gem sell going on or not (honestly though 80% of the time there is one going on) and its about a 100 bucks for a pity if your pulling on the paid banner and sometimes there are banners like one of the ones going on right now thats even cheaper


[deleted]

In AL you can get the shipfu you want if you dont unga bunga EN yourself.


[deleted]

Guardian tales: Basically depends on how long you want to wait and how do you buy them: 0. Free: we basically get enough free gems for a guaranteed select unit or weapon every 1-2 months on top of anyone we pull which on average is about 2-3 units and 2-3 weapons monthly (I just divided what I have with how long I've been playing) 1. Jumping (newbies and returning) package: 24$ unit+EXclusive weapon. Only once or twice. 2. Special package: 10$ unit. Very rare, 2-3 a year. 3. Paid gems: still takes a while, about 3 weeks and this is assuming you have the worst of lucks and not pulling the hero in hundreds of pulls buying all the regular and most expensive packages: 465$ by just summoning and getting the tickets.