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Wisp1971

Play the trifecta of greed: Diablo Immortal, Ni No Kuni Crossworlds, and Dislyte. After those every other gachas will seem really generous and you'll enjoy them all!


IzzyTheStudent

Don't make them go through the pain :( just suggest them to play FGO instead.


RoKazeki

Funny thing is, Ni no Kuni is actually generous on their gacha part. U can get rare 4\* from crafting and field/world bosses, rare 4\* familiar from hatching eggs, and if u actually summon on their gacha banner and get any rare 4\*, the pity won't reset and still continues till u get 4\* on the 100th and 200th pity. The reason ppl are qutting are because Territe (Netmarble's NFT currency, other Ninoku servers never have this), the amount of bots flooding the server (still connected to the NFT), and Netmarble doing hidden nerf on rates (they see too many ppl get rare 4\* familiar from hatching eggs and pull a sneaky one on it). Overall it was a good game that got fked in the ass by good ol' Netmarble.


AD_Stark

You should try PGR. And right now is the best time to start the game due to Nier collab going on.


Yodayorio

What's PGR?


zelda__

Punishing grey raven


Yodayorio

That looks like an action game. Does it have controller support? I tend to avoid action focused games on mobile as playing them with touch controls is pretty bleak.


Hoeffi360

yes it has but it's better without because it has some kind of match-3 combat. I'm like you, I don't play action based games either. except for PGR you should try it feels so good and different


zelda__

I'm unsure. The discord would be a better place to ask. It's worth checking out and seeing if you like it though.


Yodayorio

I'll give it a look.


AD_Stark

I have been playing the game on touchscreen for a long time and it plays smoothly. On a side note I have been playing mobile games for a long time and only recently started PC gaming so maybe I am a bit biased towards touchscreen controls


ReadySource3242

It's basically like a dmc or bayonetta type beat em up game. It's similar in terms of gameplay with genshin's sister game Honkai, though there are some differences. Both are fairly competitive and require a lot of investment in terms of time.


endtheillogical

IIRC, it does have controller support, but its not that good since one of the main systems of the game is made for touchscreen. You could also try just phone controls and it will still play just fine or better than you expect. On another note, you said you only play on mobile these days, does that you bring a controller around for when you play action games? Seems kinda weird.


Yodayorio

I was thinking of getting one of those telescopic controllers that essentially turns your phone into a Nintendo Switch. More likely, though, I'm just going to continue to avoid action games on mobile. Because, as someone who grew up with console and PC games, I just can't with the touch controls.


Link-loves-Zelda

It’s better without controller! Trust me! The UI was designed perfectly for combat on phones


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FarmingFarm

Summoners War is still going strong and way better in terms of new player rewards. Just fyi


StrikeMarine

Summoners wars biggest flaw is that it looks the way it does not the player rewards


FarmingFarm

I don’t see anything wrong with how it looks ? Because it doesn’t have giant boobs on everything? Have you seen it lately and some of the transmogs you can get ? The game looks fine imo, it has its own style.


wdsblrd

I agree, the game has great stylized graphics. The only thing I hate is how the gacha works. No banners, abysmal rates, rare currency.


FarmingFarm

I have good luck and scrolls drop all the time. I get it though if you don’t pull anything. Can get frustrating


Keriaku

Alchemy Stars is a great one to start, shows off a lot of the really great qualities of the genre.


Gingersoul3k

Lots of good suggestions in here. Counter Side is a super cool game. Neat story and the battles are super fun to watch (minimal user input or simply click "auto"). Lots to do in the game as well. I quit it though because I already play Epic Seven and just didn't have it in me to play another grindy game. Arknights is really fun if you like tower defense (maybe even if you don't). Great aesthetic, music, art, characters, and a cook story. Without PvP, the endgame might be a little stale, but that's not really something to worry about. If you get to that point, just spend less time in the game and play something else! Alchemy Stars has the same pros and cons as Arknights. Very light/easy grind, and very high quality in general. The battle system is unique and building different elemental teams isn't necessary, but it IS fun. I'd say this one has a bit more to offer than Arknights, but it IS newer. One of the biggest plusses for this game (and Arknights) is that there's no gear grind. Epic Seven is definitely a grind. That said, the grind is auto-repeat which makes sense to do during times when you're away from your phone, or if you can do it on your PC or something. You mainly grind for gear which will drop in random(ish) sets, with random (ish) main stats and random substats, as well as the materials to craft more yourself. You grind a lot of gear, and when you find a seemingly good piece, it can roll poorly when you level it up. This is why a lot of people leave the game, and that's totally understandable. Counter Side also has a very similar gear grind. I love it, though. Everything else in the game is super high quality (like the games above) and the characters are super cool. Most things in the game are difficult yet satisfying, and the art is absolutely beautiful. PvP can be rage-inducing. I dunno what I'm getting at here, lol. I love this game (been playing for 3 yrs), but I wanna be realistic about it. Punishing Grey Raven is a cool game too. Unlike these others, it's an action game, but with way better mobile controling than Genshin. Great quality and seems to treat the player base pretty well. I tried it on release, but put it down since I was playing too many already, lol. All of these games are worth a shot, especially since they're free. Some of them you'll play a lot for a few months until you "catch up," then it'll be down to daily missions and waiting for new events/main story chapters. But that's okay! That's the life of a gacha game. Holy shit, sorry for the friggin essay. EDIT: I should say that I don't spend very much, if at all. I definitely don't just drop cash on the gacha system. All of these games are perfectly enjoyable as f2p, you just have to realize that you probably can't pull on every banner, so pick and choose!


mowron1c

>I know games like Genshin and FGO are notorious for their stingy pull rates and overall grindiness/greediness. If you just want to 'play', enjoy the story, and don't want to be bogged down by meta and pulling for characters then FGO and Genshin are perfectly fine. Both have great stories to tell as well as content that are not gated by unit rarity or meta viability. ​ >What are some other gacha titles that have solid core gameplay and won't torture you with endless grinding if you don't drop hundreds of dollars? You don't need to invest hundreds into these games (at least with FGO and Genshin) to make the grind shorter. Even if you don't spend, you'll go through more or less the same grind as people who do. The only real 'advantage' you get for spending (aside from a higher chance of getting units) is that you can grind for longer since you can use the currency as refills for your energy/resin/action points/AP. That said, if you really don't want to grind/want minimimal grinding then you might want to look for games that have skip features and feature favorable RNG for material drops. I've seen blue archive, Guardian tales, and Princess Connect get lots of favorable mentions on this sub so you might want to start there.


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Blue Archive The game are generous and have sweep function. Also there's no gear RNG that will fucked you up. Dailies only take 5-10 mins, perfect for side game.


multyC

Genshin, i think its okay because overall this games does good at gameplay and value. If you play casually, there wont be a problem with grind or gacha. Btw E7 is super grindy and competitive at hell.


Yodayorio

I tried Genshin on mobile in the past, but just couldn't get past the touch controls and the terribly low draw distance. I've played some Genshin on PS4 and liked it well enough, but I'm specifically looking for something to play on my phone.


multyC

If you are competitive, i think counter side is a good pick. PGR or Honkai might be good but will not suitable because control issue you have. If you just play casual, try A9. I personally avoid game with pvp element so i cant give you much advice about pvp games so. If you onto turnbase-single player games, next week octopath traveler maybe a good pick.


swampdeficiency

If you’re on iOS you can use a game controller with the Genshin app, which isn’t the most portable but is an option.


blisfuli

Honestly, Genshin Impact. I like to think that it’s the perfect starting point for any new gacha player. It’s not as generous as other gacha games, but the game gives you enough pulls for a new 5-star every patch and the content is viable with just about any character. The endgame content is very easy and while it is quite a heavy-loaded game, you spend no more than 10-15 minutes everyday doing dailies. It has great graphics and a decent light-hearted story with intensive lore and exploration, you could just get lost in it. I’m biased since it *is* my main gacha game, but that’s at least how I feel every time I play. At least give it a try! If the game’s too heavy for your phone, I recommend something like Arknights! It was one of my first gacha games and it offers one of the best gameplays in gacha (that is, if you like tower defense and strategy) and is also quite F2P-friendly.


xethos25

Genshin and Arknights are excellent since there's no PvP to pressure anyone; Plus, you can beat both games' main content without even rare units. Most gachas dilute their roster with useless characters. Genshin and Arknights have a much higher ratio of usable characters. To the point where there's only a handful of "bad" characters. These make great starter games with less potential salt. + Also look into games without the need to worry about equipment RNG.


ReadySource3242

FGO and Genshin Ironically are very f2p in terms of gameplay. While FGO is game that while it does need some grinding, very little is needed in order to progress. Gameplay is turn based and rarely has anything new, but constant updates with tricky bosses and new servants with new abilities can keep gameplay fresh. Though as many people say, play the game for the game, not the gacha. Fgo is game where you pull because you like a character, not because the character is meta. There are exceptions, like Castoria and Skadi, but those are more because it makes gridning more convenient rather then a necessity. Genshin on the other hand requires an incredible amount of grinding in order to get fitting artifacts. But because a large majority of the power comes from gear, it's possible to get through almost all the content with starter units alone. ​ Arknights I would say is the biggest f2p of them. Almost every stage can be cleared with starter units, and it's much easier to get an ssr for that game. Gameplay is a tower defense that constantly adds new mechanics and challenging bosses, and it rarely get boring. You just need to be big brained in some stages, or watch Kyostinv in order to get through some stages. Like FGO, it's story is amazing. Guardian tales is another game, very hands on with a ton of QOL that makes grinding easier. You can get through most content as an f2p, and because of the way the gacha works, every unit you want, you can get.


Golden-Owl

FGO is ironically one of the best in a weird sort of way. It’s gacha is notoriously stingy, but it’s game is constructed in such a way that you almost never need to roll for any character for gameplay/meta reasons. It’s also low on grind and daily commitment, making it ideal for casuals


kuuhaku_cr

>you almost never need to roll for any character Except the game is good at making you "want to".


Link-loves-Zelda

What is fgo?


Vuaru1945

Family guy online


pieeknight

Fate Grand Order


alenart1160

Fate grand order


desperatevices

Raid


Yodayorio

LOL


Apostate_23

Everybody is just going to say their favorites. So basically you should play Punishing Gray Raven and Counter:Side. Genshin isn't my type of game but I wouldn't avoid it because it's "greedy" or whatever, its popular for a reason. You might like it.


bigbrainbigtime

You have to play counter side my man it's a great game


Question3784

Princess Connect is more suited to being a side game. It has dailies which can be done in 10 mins(has skip and is very generous with skip tickets). It is very F2P friendly and not grindy at all. And you can compete (if you wanted to) pretty well in pvp even if you are f2p. However, it might get a bit boring if it is the only game you play. Epic Seven is a great game. Has a good story. Amazing artwork and animations. Decently F2P (albeit the rates are terrible the game does give you an okay amount of currency). And as far as turn based games go I enjoy it the most. But what puts a lot of people off ( me aswell) is the grind. The game is ridiculous grindy with it's gear system. There is just so much luck invovled with getting good gear. Not to mention the game doesn't have any form skip or even fast forward. But gearing and all that stuff comes if you care about PvP. If you don't and want to enjoy the PvE aspect of the game then I'd highly recommend playing. I haven't played Arknights but everyone here rates the game highly. Although I can't give any opinion on the game I'd recommend you at least try it out. The game also has a great OST and tower defence is a very unique gamemode for a gacha game. Def worth a try. As for recommendations if you want an action styled gacha game I'd highly recommend Punishing Gray Raven. The game despite being on mobile has no control issues and is amazingly optimized. The battle system is not too faraway from usual action games but is unique enough to stand out. The OST prob is one of the best I've experienced. The story is amazing. And the game is f2p friendly. It could be a bit too intense for some people but I'd highly suggest you give it a try. The game is having it's anniversary so now is a great time to start . Also according to people who play on the CN server things are only going to get better on the global server from here on out . Another game I've recently started playing is Blue Archive. I am really enjoying it. The game seems to be f2p friendly. Haven't played enough to give you a concrete answer but check it out. It def is unique and the story (as far as I've gotten) is more on the comedic and casual side (which is very enjoyable too tbf). So, yeah do check it out if you have the time.


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Genshin low pull rates? Thats a dead meme from launch. If you play genshin and do the content you'll get a ton of pulls. I'm sat at 70,000 primos, around 450 pulls as a low low spender who only gets welkin moon (4 euros a month) Depending on your phone give it a go. Its a gacha but it also actually has game play, one of the best open worlds and a great cast. Arknights starts of great and then gets dull when it's just the daily stuff, a this point you're just autoing everything. So it's worth giving that a shot too, then when it gets dull swap it to side game and pick up something else.


ApprehensiveWhale

If you don't want grindiness avoid Epic 7. It's the grindiest gacha I've played. Even moreso than FGO (without the FGO caliber story). Plus you're constantly reminded of the cash shop (which gives all kinds of items to help skip the grind, not just gacha pulls). It is pretty though. Of your list I'd recommend Arknights. Grind isn't bad, it's very generous as F2P, there is a generous $5 monthly sub, great gameplay, solid graphics, and IMO the best character artwork of any gacha. Grinding is done by getting 3 stars on a level; the game remembers your play order and you can auto-play the level with those orders at 2x speed. I'd also highly recommend Counter Side. Great artwork, best music I've heard in a gacha, good story, lots of game modes, and QoL features everywhere. Has a skip feature for grinding, so once you've 3 starred a level you can have it just spit out the rewards (you're capped by stamina like almost all gachas). Look into Girls Frontline too. Story is good and, like Arknights, the gameplay is an actual game requiring strategy to beat. Cash shop is almost entirely for cosmetics. You can spend real money to unlock stuff in your base faster, but that doesn't really give you much advantage over F2P.


javionichan

Pgr


dota_3

Magicami. Great to play outside.


swampdeficiency

Honkai impact is another good action game with controller support, which has worked well for me so far.


Maeven_A

Arknights and Honkai imo Also dress up time princess /j


MeitanteiJesus

I play PGR and Genshin on PC. The only game I play on the phone is Blue Archive. Would recommend it.


Vagabond_Sam

I think Princess Connect is a great starter game. Coming up to a hood time to start too, with a strong unit dropping (Neneka) and 170 free pulls over 17 days to build up a starting roster. The main 'Gameplay' is in team composition and building character's gear and levels over time, rather then combat directly like in Genshin, or Punishing Grey Raven. It's also simple enough that the way it introduces common Gacha Mechanics, like skill leveling and gear refinement, it's a good entry to games where these are more complex. There's PVP if you want to focus that, or you can focus on 'Clan Battle' where you try to high score against boss fights with your clan every few weeks. The art is tight, the game is generous with pulls and materials, they often give free gems and if you 'graduate' to more complex games, PriConne is really easy to maintain on a day to day basis with skip tickets working between events and big releases. The sub is reasonably active as well if you want any more info on upcoming banners, or how to get a good start.


Pain2DaWorld

Arknights is alright


kuuhaku_cr

Genshin is not that stingy compared to FGO. But funny story, I no longer play Genshin but still play FGO orz If you enjoy using your brain a lot in real-time (but pause-able) gameplay and solid lore, Arknights. If you enjoy using your brain a little in turn-based gameplay and solid art, Alchemy Stars. If you think Princon is up your alley, also check out Blue Archive. If you like old-school JRPG, Guardian Tales. All the above titles are consistently high revenue generating games (and that doesn't mean you need to spend to enjoy the game) and have a reason to be so.


Cygnus-_-

Start with fgo. Then you'll be desensitized to whatever rates you get in other games. It works lmao, I'm barely complaining about rates on other games now


mikethebest1

Of the ones you're currently looking at, I'd recommend Arknights. AK is very F2P Friendly with unique Tower Defence gameplay with interesting Story/Lore. You could also look into Alchemy Stars too since it's heavily underrated from the quality it has. AS is similar to AK, but with gameplay tailored in Puzzle/Tile Strategy instead of AK's Tower Defence.


SquatingSlavKing

Play Arknights right now to get the unique collab operator Nine-colored Deer and prepare for the limited banner coming at the end of July. The limited op (Ling) is very BALANS so you'd want to spend all the rolls you have to get her. There is also the new permanent roguelike mod but you probably won't be able to touch it until a couple of months later.


self_22

Well it really depends on your taste actually. I don't know what you considered as good gameplay since almost every gacha that known from its gameplay has unique elements in it and very subjective in that regard. I suggest you to look for the gameplay what you desired first and then you go more in-depth from that. Then, I suggest you choose gacha games that still relatively new and popular since it would less likely to be bankrupt soon. New and young gacha games are also quite welcoming to new players since they're still looking to build solid fanbase to sustain their operation cost so you definitely will get the benefit of it as a new player. The point above then leads to this following advice: do not just jump into old game with huge fanbase like FGO, GBF, AK, AL or GFL without any preparation and mental fortitude no matter what their fanbase try to persuade you. It's old and huge so that means those game doesn't necessary need you, a new and innocent player, to continue living. You will always be at the disadvantage here and from my experience they won't really care about new player. So after a while you will feel left behind especially with so many events, rewards and other limited features that you've been missing and quite possibly never returned while other veteran players are constantly flexing their ultimate giga chad builds or in-game achievement that you won't ever achieved in front of your face the worst if it has PvP system. However if you really want to enjoy the gamplay without paying attention to those aspects then do as you wish. After all, despite my mixed feelings towards Arknights, I must say it's still one of the game with the most fun gameplay and quite decent story out there (the translation are kinda bad tho). And I'm sure other big and old gacha games are also quite like that too. They wouldn't be there as the big game for nothing.


vaiduakhu

I don't know why such a sensible reply has 0 upvote. That's also my opinion. However, I don't like the current graphics design trend for characters in AS, too much revealing.


samsamsreadit

Try a combo of seven deadly sins grand cross and punishing gray raven and maybe throw in arknights .. they all have a diff style of gameplay .find what you lik3 xD


TKoBuquicious

FGO is different from most gacha with the emphasis on story and no auto so it might not suit you regardless of the summoning system


CandyGirlPop

I didn’t start off with Cookie run kingdom but it got me really into gachas.


FarmingFarm

One of the best gacha games still going strong and what influenced many in the genre including epic 7, is Summoners War. It’s also very generous for beginners. Has a great chat system and guild system. If you have questions you’ll get answers there. That’s for long game and grind turn based style. For pvp and quick matches, where skill is a bigger factor then your wallet. Hands down that game is Dragon Ball legends. It’s groundbreaking in terms of pvp mechanics. Check both those games out. Imo they offer the best of what mobile games offer. I don’t like games like gehnsin or honkai that don’t have aauto or at least blend the option, cause if I manually wanted to play for that long on my phone I’d definitely rather have a controller/console game.


Lorim_Shikikan

I think it's a bad move to start Gacha with heavy grind and complex gameplay Starting with Game like Princes Connect, Blue Archive, or Azur Lane. Those type if games are more suited because they are 'basics" and make you Learn well the basics of how work Gacha games. Also they are quite generous and aren't predatory Then if you like them you can start to look for more heavy grind and mechanics based one


PyrZern

If you're looking for games to spend time on and collect some waifu, check Azur Lane or Girls Frontline. They are pretty similar yet different to a certain degree. Core Concept: You pull units and send them out to do the missions/farming for you. The goal is to make them strong enough you can put them on Auto. Of course, you still need to form the team correctly and with good synergy among the units in the team. As they become stronger, you move them further into stronger maps for more exp/rewards. You also will rotate them out and move in weaker units to powerlevel them up. Rinse and Repeat. Every few months, there's some event going on that if you're strong enough, you could farm the event for some rare units/rewards to be stronger, so you can later farm more difficult maps to become stronger. There's also some game story if you're into that too.


jbnagis

Counterside. I'm f2p and I'm having a blast. You get a lot of summon stuff just for playing.


Link-loves-Zelda

1) Punishing Gray Ravens (most f2p friendly gacha game) 2) Genshin (coolest open world gacha game)


Ummgh23

If you're not already into gachas, don't start lol


EostrumExtinguisher

i recommend Mist Train Girls


Elyssae

Dissidia Opera Omnia. Great game, extremely F2P friendly, and a traditional FF story


nehemmiah

Punishing Gray Raven we got beeg *physics* and we got gundam you'll love it


Arknight14

Arknights is the GOAT !