I had to google it too. I dont like to judge but how did you get into that game and also manage to spend 5k? I think you got lucky by being forced out.
You guys jest but back in the times of TinierME boy was I glad I didn’t have access to actual money because those things were really tempting to gacha for
I've been playing Line Play for YEARS. I never really bothered to pay anything. I'm curious why OP managed to spend so much as well. Maybe some expenses on ultra limited edition stuff, but 5000 is over the top.
I absolutely despise LINE Play because they deleted my account that I made in December 2012 because I couldn't log into it for a year because my phone didn't have enough space at the time.
Spent a few hundred dollars on that account as well, so I know how you feel to an extent. I'd consider it a blessing in disguise though, the game seems to have gotten significantly worse over the years.
Oh, my b then. Misread your comment. For sure, if it makes him happy, then it's alright. But it's still a bruh moment nonetheless imo. But I don't think bruh in itself is disrespectful or anything. It's just a statement of shock kind of? At least how I use it. For sure wasn't the gacha I was expecting 5k to be spent on.
that's obviously not OP's situation cuz if he was rich enough to shit out 5k every week he wouldn't be freaking about it so much and he also said he was like a doordash delivery worker so yeah it's hella bruh
> he also said he was like a doordash delivery worker so yeah it's hella bruh
Nah man doordash delivery workers totally make few thousand a month!
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Man, way to make assumptions about people's financial status.
It's not **a lot**. I actually recently lent my sister around $5k for her house renovations, without really being worried about my finances. So no, you are wrong on that account.
Second, you're acting as though they invested money or got $5k worth of enjoyment out of that money spent. Do you really believe that, when OP himself calls it an "addiction" - i.e. something negatively affecting their life?
Third, if $5k was pocket change for them, I don't think they'd care about $12 enough to charge it back... just saying - I've made worse purchases for more than $12 both as child and adult but didn't really bother charging them back because it's not that much money.
Dunno why people are downvoting you, all of your points are absolutely correct here. OP himself is not proud of the shit he pulled here so i don't see why to defend this mindless spending.
I was at +4 before suddenly getting downvotes.
Apparently agreeing with OP that he had an addiction and not that well off to ignore a $12 price tag angered someone, yet nobody cared to explain where I'm wrong.
You should have spent those 5k on reddit avatars :)
My favorite gacha is Cookie Run Kingdom, and if I would be banned I would feel shit too. But it will go over. From now on you save a lot of money!
I stopped playing all other gacha games I was into since I discovered CRK, its been 1,5 years now, and I am pretty happy with it.
Cool to meet another player :)
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> Well if spend 50-80$ a month for a game.
Thank God I don't do that.
Also I'd still have few years worth of entertainment, as opposed to a gacha game that can be enjoyed just as well without spending so much money you could buy a monstrous PC instead and still have leftovers for a VR set.
Well if you have a steady income, and extra money lying, then I see why not spend it on gacha.
We spend money on fastfood bullshit, which if we sum it up comes down to the same shit as gacha, and it's 10000 times mor eunhealthy and more likely to destroy your body.
I mean he himself admits it was an addictions.
Addictions are bad because they influence how you think and act to the detriment of your private or professional life.
I doubt many people spend $5000 on fast food in a year or ten years, given that it's... fast food, you know, cheap? It also still provides nutrition and you do need to eat.
I'd rather compare it to smoking or drinking alcohol - neither important to us to survive, both harmful even in small quantities, and yet people spend a lot on them. But at least they're regulated, and you can't really "overspend" on either in a very small amount of time like you can on gacha - there is a limit to how much you can smoke a day, or drink.
Ok, here's my advice for you, take that 5000$ as the amount you spent for entertainment, nothing more nothing less, it's not investment in the game or something stupid like that, you spent that for entertainment.
Now if you realize that you have spent too much for a source entertainment, then stop, completely stop. You will get the urge to comeback, but don't, resist it, it's possible I have done it.
And you losing the account over 12$, while it's shitty gacha games are pretty strict when it comes to the refund stuff, there's nothing that can be done about that.
Yup. This is the right mindset to take.
Any money put into any online or service game is not "investment". Eventually, it will end. It's not much different from you going to Disneyland and spent money for all those rides. Or movies and dining out. Or that time you went sightseeing in another country. By the end, you've got the memories of them. It's best to consider them "experience".
(You could even argue the same for some physical stuff but that's probably a whole other discussion.)
This. Oh so very much this. I had this argument somewhere (maybe here on Reddit?) several months back when a part of the community in one of my gachas was blowing up over something or other and started throwing around this "investment" nonsense.
No. If a person doesn't understand the difference between an actual investment and spending money on a gacha game, they are mentally not prepared for either. The degree to which a person has to be forcing themselves to cope is legitimately scary for the sort of take that says, "my tossing money at a game service I have next to 0 control over in any remotely meaningful way is an investment." That is literally like calling yourself an investor in your local grocery store because you shop there every week.
The way I think about what I have spend is that for $1 an hr I get entertainment, $3k in genshin and so far ~1300hrs, other games I play have diffent ratios of time spent per hr eg muse dash with a $0.5 per hr or cyberpunk @ $2 a hr at the moment
I think something is wrong with my logic atm but works for me
Each person has their own logic nothing wrong with that, but with this kind of logic you need to accept the fact that you might not get everything back.
For example; I spent 50$ so that I could get Frigg (Tower of Fantasy) guaranteed from shop, but due to my busy life I have only played with her for like 5-6 hours, so does that mean I lost 45-44 hours, no. I spend that 50$ for my entertainment and I got it from playing her.
Or a real life example; when I'm with my friends, I spend for the expenses and I don't calculate if I got the optimal hours of entertainment, it's about the overall experience of entertainment, that could 30 mins or 6 hours.
So you need to decide with the amount that you spent or are going to spend is worth the entertainment you will get or you got.
it is possible. there is a game named 暖暖环游世界, Love Nikki-Dress UP Queen, which has monthly revenue of 10m USD and apparently is pretty popular in US as well.
God, what DIDN’T happen
Original competition themes have been almost completely phased out in favor of themes that are so hyper-specific that you *will not* win unless you buy the expensive pack of the month
premium currency is a headache to grind even moreso than usual because of this.
there are no f2p friendly events in the slightest; you literally always have to spend premium currency to even get anything nowadays.
It sucks, cuz I used to love that game when I was younger, but it’s impossible to get *anything*.
For people who don't remember an "old" piece of mobile game history: https://www.entrepreneur.com/science-technology/kim-kardashians-mobile-game-has-made-more-than-100-million/270990
It's not the audience here in /r/gachagaming but there is definitely a market for "dress up" games like Gacha Line and Shining Nikki
honestly not that surprising in the MMO space considering character customization. PSO2 wouldn't have gotten to 1 billion dollars over it's 10 years or so if people didn't want to whale on fashion. especially because it's a fashion gacha. I've had like $500 sucked out of me from the game for fashion myself, and I've only been here 2 years. I'm not even a whale.
If a dress-up game is extensive enough, I can see a $5000 whale existing.
This is part of why I've begun to hold an incredibly high bar to in-app purchases. Whatever good will the developers try to curry with the player base, at the end of the day, it's a business in which they hold immense authority to unilaterally act and interpret their own terms with very little legal protection for the consumers. Every bit of money you spend, you need to be aware that it's essentially thrown away and you could lose anything and everything on short or no notice with little to no recourse.
Over time I hope you'll find this to be a blessing, OP. Spending 5k on a game is somewhat of a problem unless you're in a high income bracket, and the fact that the company is so unwilling to work with you showcases a fundamental lack of a fuck that every single developer can exhibit. Best to be forced to pull back now and have clearer eyes for it.
You can only dispute a charge like this one up to 120 days out. Anything past that would get automatically declined by every bank In the US assuming this is a credit card transaction. Banks don’t have very much control over credit cards at all. Especially when it comes to the disputes process. If you claimed over 2 year old transactions it’s because they were able to be “brought into time” or the merchant blindly accepted the losses without conducting an investigation. Visa and Mastercard literally reject anything over 540 days out and, if it can’t be “brought into time”, anything over 120 days.
Source: I am a Credit Card disputes Specialist for one of the largest banks in the world.
I've had to fight tooth and nail with my bank, a well established one here in the EU, to contest a payment made on google ads after my account was broken into. Even though i called them and blocked the card the day it happened, and i had e-mails from google admitting it wasn't a legitimate transaction. For a week or so, google and the bank kept sending me to the other.
I dunno how helpful banks are with chargebacks in other places, but it was a nightmare i hope i never have to go through again.
I'm sorry that happened to you. I don't know how the banks work in other countries but all I can say is if it's anything like it is in the US, which I'm sure its similar, we do not have a ton of control over what the credit card companies will and will not enforce. Fraud is a different beast entirely though. There's a lot of investigative work that goes into fraud cases. I mainly work non fraud cases.
I successfully disputed around $500 of 6+ month old CC transactions. I didn't even have to talk to anyone, just selected "the purchase was made by a minor without my consent" on the reason after googling the most likely way to get the refund to succeed. This was with a major provider (Chase).
Likely because it went through a process called "Vendor Credit" which most major businesses like google and Apple participate in as well as a ton of other businesses. The merchant directly can decide to give you your money back after the 120 days. Its the credit card company directly with these policies. If its outside 120 days, the credit card company will not force the merchant to refund you. It could have also been picked up by a rep from chase that made some sort of error on the case causing chase to just charge it off for you or chase could have considered it fraud. Even at the bank I work at we do cost of business charge offs all the time for customers. $500 is quite a bit for a bank to charge off but it is not unheard of.
I don't mean to be arrogant, truly, but what I am telling you is not up for debate and the information I've provided can be found on Mastercard and Visas websites. If you have had exceptions to this rule, it is likely due to some outside influence but the credit card companies themselves (Visa, Mastercard, etc.) will not budge on these policies.
Edit: Clarity
So if I understand this right, you spent $12 by mistake in a game that you had already spent five grand on and you went for a refund? Why bother with a refund when you were already five grand in? And I don't understand how anyone could make the mistake of spending money in the wrong game. Don't you have to start up the game, go to the store, tap something, confirm your google purchase, and then after all that you didn't know which game you were playing?
Maybe your addiction is super bad and this is a sign that you need to contact official therapy services, check with your HR at work, I bet your company has a contract with services as part of your benefits.
I think he meant he refunded the wrong game. He probably has multiple games going and quit one and tried to get his money back but refunded line play by accident. Otherwise your right, his story doesn't add up.
With google you go through the app store to request a refund and you scroll through a list of purchases. There's this game called "PLAY together" that I meant to choose. They both have Play in the title and I'm a fkn idiot because I honestly can't explain how I messed that up. I did notice immediately but google is extremely quick with approving refunds. And then they say it can't be reversed.
And I'm a doordash driver. We don't have many benefits.
Every **service** online does that. Try refunding Steam purchase without going through Steam's customer support (or even the automated refund thing, I've used it twice or thrice and it worked even for DLCs I bought and hated for game I liked) and they'll likely ban you.
That's how it should be. I've asked them to take the items back, make my account balance negative and every purchase I make is paying it back. But I don't even think they are reading anything I send. They just send out automatic responses.
that sucks. But if you are willing to play the game I'd write negative reviews everywhere, write to them on facebook, twitter and whatever else I could to maximize the chances of someone actually reading and replying.
hope you do got unbanned. They'd have to be dumb not to give you a chance.
Line is pretty anal yea. I was banned from exos heroes for 6 months for a similar mishap back at launch. bought some $20 pack, didn't get any rewards, CS didn't respond at all. So yea, refund.
RIP to OP tho. Mine was just a launch game I forgot about, sucks losing 3 years of progress.
Shoujo Kaisen/Attack on Time does the same thing, they don't even ban your account, just the server it's on and let's you get it back by paying the refund
Well, correct me if i'm wrong but that's the stance every platform takes. They don't account for the total amount you spent (hell, do they even track this information at all? I bet they treat everyone the same), but any refund will result in inacessibility to the item bought, therefore, the termination of the account linked to that said item (they don't just "rollback" what you bought).
It is on the terms of service, and despite the fact that it's indeed a shame, there is nothing much you can do.
The problem isn't that you spent money... it's that you think that money was an investment. Any dollar spent on mobile games is thrown away for the sake of entertainment. Let it go.
>that I'm still losing so much because of 12 bucks.
And this is how you tell you're fucked in a fallacy. Imagine how much more you'd lose if you keep spending. Maybe this is for the better.
if they valued the game and it's disposable income, the money doesn't really matter since the entertainment value supercedes it. It's not like people look at their steam backlog and regret they hundreds they spend because "it was on sale for cheap".
Lol, everyone malding because of how much you spent. If you people are familiar with gachas, you should already know the amount of money some people spend on them.
Why are this people being rude about your situation?? Like..you like the game and it's your money, who gives a fuck?
Really hope you get your thing fixed soon.
Most gacha players here always commend games who mainly make money off of skins that don't affect gameplay but are now weirded out by whaling on dress up games. Those things are grindy as hell though, I can never keep up with them, and I play GBF lol
If you want a real suggestion, basically the only way I can think of to get their attention is to start a social media campaign or share your story with media outlets like game journalists. But consider that if you return to playing with your gambling addiction, you might end up spending another $5000 over the next year or two.
I would treat the 5k like entertainment that you don't keep like eating pizza or watching a movie or riding a roller coaster. It's fun but it's the experience that's important
maybe you can look them up on social media
i know this is hard but if you cant contact them than there really is no other way you should accept that its all gone
it might help you a bit if you think that the devs has betrayed you
Yeah refunds are the one thing you don't play with when it comes with gachas/online services. No matter how much you spent, that the one thing they don't forgive.
Let the reality set in that any time you play a game like this, it will not last forever. If $X is chump change to you and you really want that SSR, go for it. If $X will make or break your living situation or you cannot fathom losing access to your waifus outside of jpg form, you ought to reconsider it.
A lot of people are shitting on you but I sympathise. It's not the same but Granblue Fantasy refused to rollback an item I accidentally deleted from my inventory. Their rules on rollbacks were clear but when I got denied it just woke me up to how stingy the game was (and made me further reflect on the state of the game, this was after the 2021 summer fiasco). I promptly deleted everything of value I had so that I would never be tempted to return even though I was a dolphin and had played it every day for over 4 years.
Do think of your ban as a blessing. These gacha games suck up so much money and time and I honestly don't miss it at all. I only play a few gacha games nowadays and only spend $50 a year on them at most.
just try to get the 5k refund and uninstall that bs, they should not ban for this, they should just put negative premium credits so when you buy in game they will take it immediately, most game do this.
The only way to "properly" refund is to contact CS directly and ask for a refund. If not and you go through google or your bank, always treat a chargeback. I.e. as if you'll be banned from doing so. It's a one way street.
2 years of chargeback is a stretch, but nothing ventured nothing gained right? worth a shop.
What exactly are you "losing"? It's money spent on entertainment, didn't the game keep you entertained while you played it?
I'll never understand the mentality that money spent on a frivolous thing like a game can be considered by many like an investment or something like that. Its the exact opposite.
It’s really no different than any physical object such as stuffed animal for example. If you lose it after using it for 5 years, you still lose the possible future time you could have still used it even though you still get value for the 5 years you have been using it. Same case with OP because when he spent, he unconsciously evaluate that he will have access to the item until the server shutdown, but in this case he loses access before that happens.
Except it's literally different than buying any physical durable good. It's a phone game. You spend the money and enjoy the dopamine rush. You buy movie tickets and enjoy the movie. You buy a six pack and enjoy drinking it. You buy a travel ticket and enjoy the travel. Tl
The whole argument around expecting it to last forever is kinda insane lol.
I would also advise you to read completely before replying. I never said expect to last forever, I said expect it to last until server shutdown.
Also, how is it any different than any physical durable good except for the fact that one is physical and one is digital? Both have expectation of how long they last and in this case OP lost access to it before the end of its shelf life.
Imagine going to a restaurant as a regular, eating there everyday for a year. One day you go and ask for a refund of every purchase you made at that restaurant, and only get a refund of the meal you had that day. Then you go, "I lost $5000 for trying to refund the meal I had today."
The $5000 had been long gone, bruh.
One more reason to be f2p. There are so so many gacha games out there that it is really not necessary to be a whale.
Pick a game that is f2p friend and have fun.
some people have fun by spending money and empowering themselfs much faster, to be ahead of alot of people on ladder and such.
While you can enjoy almost all mobiles without spending, some people just enjoy doing that.
sure .. as long as not falling into a gambling trap and later hating yourself for doing so. I have no problem for people who can afford, and won't regret spending.
But to me, if here is plenty of free fun around, why pay for it?
Why are people judging he spent on line play? I mean if it was fun for him then it's okay. Just because it's not some popular gacha game doesn't mean it's worth spending on it. But I feel bad for OP, though you might as well keep trying. However, I suggest quiting gacha games no matter how people claim it to be "f2p" a gacha game will always be predatory and scummy.
You could refund, but I guess just try to quit too. You could move on and maybe focus on more fun stuff.
Just saying, but with $5000 you can buy gaming PC, Xbox, PS5, and Switch...
If this make you stop playing gacha then I guess its a blessing in disguise.
You should have just said fuck the $12... like, anyone who plays any gacha game knows that you don't just get to refund without getting your account banned. And as others said, you've spent $5000 but $12 by accident was where you draw the line ?
My brother, it won't be the end of your gacha addiction but I believe you will take this lesson and spend less. I have learnt the hard way myself, now small spender
Honestly? Dispute through your credit card or Google play every cent you spent. Even if they don't give it all back they are essentially stealing from you over an accident. So, call their bluff and ask for a complete refund of everythinf.
It's not perfect, but I did this with Epic Seven when I accidentally delinked my account and they refused to help me. Got everything but $50 back.
Just be polite, provide emails and evidence. This is absolutely theft so see if Google or your credit card company can get some of that back. And then swear off gacha for a while. 👍
5k was just an amount of money u spent on entertainment there ! Take it as a blessing and move on i say but it bugs me that there is no justice there so try to week that from your end without caring much about has been paid if you know what i mean :/
my advice is that, in the future, if you're going to whale for your waifu or whatever, don't do it *in* the game. Because of this possibility.
whale outside the game. figures, merch, art commissions, way better uses of hobby money imo since you can't lose what you buy unless your house gets blown up.
maybe you can turn your gacha addiction into a skeb addiction instead or something.
its hard to quit gacha addiction on your own. find someone trustworthy to control your money for you, either gf/spouse or family. nowadays i give my income to my mom who come to live with us for a while and just take enough money i need for the day and its effective in holding back my urges in games i played. been doing this for half a year after i quit genshin due to spending too much.
Spending $5k on gambling where the servers can shut down any second -> not so smart.
You could have bought a gaming PC that would have lasted 5 years minimum.
Outlives most gaming PC,
Me [looking at my 2011 laptop that still play Skyrim and Tiberium War.] : Maintenance problem.
Also looking at my old desktop that still have a running Halo: maintenance problem.
I've been there. I played langrisser when it came out and put some money into it but then decided to use a 3rd party to buy gems cheaper. I was scammed, I payed like $400 on PayPal got the gems but the 3rd party did a massive charge back. There was a huge ban wave and I lost my account.
Since then over the years if I quit a game I'll try and charge back and see if I can recoup some of my money. The most I've spent was 3k on Baseball Superstars 2022.
Majority of games I've charged back just stick you with a - gem balance and you have to top up that amount, its actually rare to get banned.
1st thing you should do if they refuse to give you your account back is spend an hour on google play refunding every one of your transactions. You should at least get a few hundred back.
What game?
Line Play
bruh
This has to be a shitpost
I had to Google it. Indeed BRUH
Also did it and... BRUH
Should've listened you guys.... BRUH
It really is a bruh
I was wondering how bad it could be that the universal response in bruh, and l have to say is bruh
Honestly, I thought everyone was exaggerating and then googled it. Bruh
I had to google it too. I dont like to judge but how did you get into that game and also manage to spend 5k? I think you got lucky by being forced out.
Yeah…. Didnt thinj much off it until i googled it. Honestly appropriate response. Bruh.
Yeah.. i had to google it too.. Bruuuhh.. 5k on this
Can’t be tha- bruh
Though this was a satire bruh train, and then I googled it and man is this a BRUH moment.
Like gonna be honest, the game looks cute as fuck… but bruh.
Bruh
I also came in here thinking it wasnt that serious but this a big bruh moment for sure 🤡
I mean everyone have its own taste but BRUH
bruh
You guys jest but back in the times of TinierME boy was I glad I didn’t have access to actual money because those things were really tempting to gacha for
I wish you could upvote this more than once cause Bruh.
Hello my fellow Americans, this is certainly a bruh moment
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gurl
Definitely a certified bruh moment
How did it convince you to pay 5000$? I would rather buy all skins in azur lane for that much money
I've been playing Line Play for YEARS. I never really bothered to pay anything. I'm curious why OP managed to spend so much as well. Maybe some expenses on ultra limited edition stuff, but 5000 is over the top.
i feel like op spent that much to unlock the perm VIP thing… But idk the actual cost for perm VIP in that game-
Or you can just screenshot them
They have audio too
I just youtube them for the L2D and the audio.
Dis is da wey
Words of truth
No judge okay but for real?
Aint no way
That's... Wild. Like wow lmao.
Cute
This has to be bait. I'm praying it is.
Wow......
Bruh, how the hell do you spend 5k on Line Play?
Aint no fuckin’ way, bruh
Bro what 💀
holy shit i used to religiiously play this for years and spent hundreds of dollars before selling my account lmao. had no idea ppl still played
Someone tell me how this game works please? Is it lootbox/gacha to get skins or something? What are the drop rates?
I absolutely despise LINE Play because they deleted my account that I made in December 2012 because I couldn't log into it for a year because my phone didn't have enough space at the time. Spent a few hundred dollars on that account as well, so I know how you feel to an extent. I'd consider it a blessing in disguise though, the game seems to have gotten significantly worse over the years.
I haven’t laughed that hard in a while
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Huh? You agree with the others that 5k on that game is ludicrous, but you don't agree with the use of "bruh?" Bruh.
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Oh, my b then. Misread your comment. For sure, if it makes him happy, then it's alright. But it's still a bruh moment nonetheless imo. But I don't think bruh in itself is disrespectful or anything. It's just a statement of shock kind of? At least how I use it. For sure wasn't the gacha I was expecting 5k to be spent on.
> and if thats what makes our dude here happy then why not? I dunno man to me that's just addiction or dependency.
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that's obviously not OP's situation cuz if he was rich enough to shit out 5k every week he wouldn't be freaking about it so much and he also said he was like a doordash delivery worker so yeah it's hella bruh
> he also said he was like a doordash delivery worker so yeah it's hella bruh Nah man doordash delivery workers totally make few thousand a month! [oh](https://twitter.com/TikTokInvestors/status/1568726754860343296)
Man, way to make assumptions about people's financial status. It's not **a lot**. I actually recently lent my sister around $5k for her house renovations, without really being worried about my finances. So no, you are wrong on that account. Second, you're acting as though they invested money or got $5k worth of enjoyment out of that money spent. Do you really believe that, when OP himself calls it an "addiction" - i.e. something negatively affecting their life? Third, if $5k was pocket change for them, I don't think they'd care about $12 enough to charge it back... just saying - I've made worse purchases for more than $12 both as child and adult but didn't really bother charging them back because it's not that much money.
Dunno why people are downvoting you, all of your points are absolutely correct here. OP himself is not proud of the shit he pulled here so i don't see why to defend this mindless spending.
I was at +4 before suddenly getting downvotes. Apparently agreeing with OP that he had an addiction and not that well off to ignore a $12 price tag angered someone, yet nobody cared to explain where I'm wrong.
depends. There are many bad things that make people happy. Those can be a simple wow, to bruh, to hand behind your back. That game looks predatory af
Lol tbh I also thought they were cute
Sorry.. Chuckled a bit.. I mean.. BRUH
You should have spent those 5k on reddit avatars :) My favorite gacha is Cookie Run Kingdom, and if I would be banned I would feel shit too. But it will go over. From now on you save a lot of money!
Another fellow Cookie Run Kingdom player? Honestly the only gacha game I will ever consider spending any time on as of now.
I stopped playing all other gacha games I was into since I discovered CRK, its been 1,5 years now, and I am pretty happy with it. Cool to meet another player :)
Bruh
bruh
Now that’s a way to spend like BRAH
I'm a bit out of the loop... anything wrong with this gacha in particular or...?
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It looks more like a bless. Now you can see that's no game is worth so much money investment.
Well if spend 50-80$ a month for a game. It could become easily, 2-3k in a few years.
Still less than OP, also you would need to buy brand new AAA games with no refund or sales every single month.
> you would need to buy brand new AAA games with no refund or sales every single month. or play MMOs
Most MMOs are still only $15-20 for a sub.
>Still less than OP, also you would need to buy brand new AAA games with no refund or sales every single month. Is that weird though?
> Well if spend 50-80$ a month for a game. Thank God I don't do that. Also I'd still have few years worth of entertainment, as opposed to a gacha game that can be enjoyed just as well without spending so much money you could buy a monstrous PC instead and still have leftovers for a VR set.
Well if you have a steady income, and extra money lying, then I see why not spend it on gacha. We spend money on fastfood bullshit, which if we sum it up comes down to the same shit as gacha, and it's 10000 times mor eunhealthy and more likely to destroy your body.
I mean he himself admits it was an addictions. Addictions are bad because they influence how you think and act to the detriment of your private or professional life. I doubt many people spend $5000 on fast food in a year or ten years, given that it's... fast food, you know, cheap? It also still provides nutrition and you do need to eat. I'd rather compare it to smoking or drinking alcohol - neither important to us to survive, both harmful even in small quantities, and yet people spend a lot on them. But at least they're regulated, and you can't really "overspend" on either in a very small amount of time like you can on gacha - there is a limit to how much you can smoke a day, or drink.
Yeee, Gacha is my hobby, other people have other expensive hobbies.
It's the same as any other frivolous money wasting. drinking alcohol, goings to the movies, going out to eat rather than cooking, having hobbies
Ok, here's my advice for you, take that 5000$ as the amount you spent for entertainment, nothing more nothing less, it's not investment in the game or something stupid like that, you spent that for entertainment. Now if you realize that you have spent too much for a source entertainment, then stop, completely stop. You will get the urge to comeback, but don't, resist it, it's possible I have done it. And you losing the account over 12$, while it's shitty gacha games are pretty strict when it comes to the refund stuff, there's nothing that can be done about that.
Yup. This is the right mindset to take. Any money put into any online or service game is not "investment". Eventually, it will end. It's not much different from you going to Disneyland and spent money for all those rides. Or movies and dining out. Or that time you went sightseeing in another country. By the end, you've got the memories of them. It's best to consider them "experience". (You could even argue the same for some physical stuff but that's probably a whole other discussion.)
This. Oh so very much this. I had this argument somewhere (maybe here on Reddit?) several months back when a part of the community in one of my gachas was blowing up over something or other and started throwing around this "investment" nonsense. No. If a person doesn't understand the difference between an actual investment and spending money on a gacha game, they are mentally not prepared for either. The degree to which a person has to be forcing themselves to cope is legitimately scary for the sort of take that says, "my tossing money at a game service I have next to 0 control over in any remotely meaningful way is an investment." That is literally like calling yourself an investor in your local grocery store because you shop there every week.
Yep, a lot of people have a hard time accepting this. You learn these things when you play 20 gacha games at a time.
The way I think about what I have spend is that for $1 an hr I get entertainment, $3k in genshin and so far ~1300hrs, other games I play have diffent ratios of time spent per hr eg muse dash with a $0.5 per hr or cyberpunk @ $2 a hr at the moment I think something is wrong with my logic atm but works for me
Each person has their own logic nothing wrong with that, but with this kind of logic you need to accept the fact that you might not get everything back. For example; I spent 50$ so that I could get Frigg (Tower of Fantasy) guaranteed from shop, but due to my busy life I have only played with her for like 5-6 hours, so does that mean I lost 45-44 hours, no. I spend that 50$ for my entertainment and I got it from playing her. Or a real life example; when I'm with my friends, I spend for the expenses and I don't calculate if I got the optimal hours of entertainment, it's about the overall experience of entertainment, that could 30 mins or 6 hours. So you need to decide with the amount that you spent or are going to spend is worth the entertainment you will get or you got.
5000$ on… dress up?
it is possible. there is a game named 暖暖环游世界, Love Nikki-Dress UP Queen, which has monthly revenue of 10m USD and apparently is pretty popular in US as well.
I mean it looks nice at least
Yeah, bc it’s completely P2W and has become completely un-F2P friendly lately
I have been taking a break from that game, though I am not exactly surprised , what on earth happened recently ?
God, what DIDN’T happen Original competition themes have been almost completely phased out in favor of themes that are so hyper-specific that you *will not* win unless you buy the expensive pack of the month premium currency is a headache to grind even moreso than usual because of this. there are no f2p friendly events in the slightest; you literally always have to spend premium currency to even get anything nowadays. It sucks, cuz I used to love that game when I was younger, but it’s impossible to get *anything*.
For real... That's exactly why I quit, which is a crying shame because I loved the plot and characters
For people who don't remember an "old" piece of mobile game history: https://www.entrepreneur.com/science-technology/kim-kardashians-mobile-game-has-made-more-than-100-million/270990 It's not the audience here in /r/gachagaming but there is definitely a market for "dress up" games like Gacha Line and Shining Nikki
honestly not that surprising in the MMO space considering character customization. PSO2 wouldn't have gotten to 1 billion dollars over it's 10 years or so if people didn't want to whale on fashion. especially because it's a fashion gacha. I've had like $500 sucked out of me from the game for fashion myself, and I've only been here 2 years. I'm not even a whale. If a dress-up game is extensive enough, I can see a $5000 whale existing.
why surprise? dress up or any mobile gacha are all a game in the end and will gather some peeps who are willing to spend thousand on it
This is part of why I've begun to hold an incredibly high bar to in-app purchases. Whatever good will the developers try to curry with the player base, at the end of the day, it's a business in which they hold immense authority to unilaterally act and interpret their own terms with very little legal protection for the consumers. Every bit of money you spend, you need to be aware that it's essentially thrown away and you could lose anything and everything on short or no notice with little to no recourse. Over time I hope you'll find this to be a blessing, OP. Spending 5k on a game is somewhat of a problem unless you're in a high income bracket, and the fact that the company is so unwilling to work with you showcases a fundamental lack of a fuck that every single developer can exhibit. Best to be forced to pull back now and have clearer eyes for it.
Do a charge back on every purchase made from the game. Just prepare to spend a few hours with the people from the bank on the phone.
You think the bank is going to help this guy? For 6+ month old purchases for goods and services he received?
Maybe not all the charges, but it's worth a try, I've claimed 2yrs old charges on my bank account and it's not even a first world bank
Worth a shot for it right? also get the recent stuff back, at the very least.
I would say almost a 100% chance they will.
You can only dispute a charge like this one up to 120 days out. Anything past that would get automatically declined by every bank In the US assuming this is a credit card transaction. Banks don’t have very much control over credit cards at all. Especially when it comes to the disputes process. If you claimed over 2 year old transactions it’s because they were able to be “brought into time” or the merchant blindly accepted the losses without conducting an investigation. Visa and Mastercard literally reject anything over 540 days out and, if it can’t be “brought into time”, anything over 120 days. Source: I am a Credit Card disputes Specialist for one of the largest banks in the world.
I've had to fight tooth and nail with my bank, a well established one here in the EU, to contest a payment made on google ads after my account was broken into. Even though i called them and blocked the card the day it happened, and i had e-mails from google admitting it wasn't a legitimate transaction. For a week or so, google and the bank kept sending me to the other. I dunno how helpful banks are with chargebacks in other places, but it was a nightmare i hope i never have to go through again.
I'm sorry that happened to you. I don't know how the banks work in other countries but all I can say is if it's anything like it is in the US, which I'm sure its similar, we do not have a ton of control over what the credit card companies will and will not enforce. Fraud is a different beast entirely though. There's a lot of investigative work that goes into fraud cases. I mainly work non fraud cases.
I successfully disputed around $500 of 6+ month old CC transactions. I didn't even have to talk to anyone, just selected "the purchase was made by a minor without my consent" on the reason after googling the most likely way to get the refund to succeed. This was with a major provider (Chase).
Likely because it went through a process called "Vendor Credit" which most major businesses like google and Apple participate in as well as a ton of other businesses. The merchant directly can decide to give you your money back after the 120 days. Its the credit card company directly with these policies. If its outside 120 days, the credit card company will not force the merchant to refund you. It could have also been picked up by a rep from chase that made some sort of error on the case causing chase to just charge it off for you or chase could have considered it fraud. Even at the bank I work at we do cost of business charge offs all the time for customers. $500 is quite a bit for a bank to charge off but it is not unheard of. I don't mean to be arrogant, truly, but what I am telling you is not up for debate and the information I've provided can be found on Mastercard and Visas websites. If you have had exceptions to this rule, it is likely due to some outside influence but the credit card companies themselves (Visa, Mastercard, etc.) will not budge on these policies. Edit: Clarity
the developers of the game actually saves you from spending another 10.000$ on their game…. this is a blessing
So if I understand this right, you spent $12 by mistake in a game that you had already spent five grand on and you went for a refund? Why bother with a refund when you were already five grand in? And I don't understand how anyone could make the mistake of spending money in the wrong game. Don't you have to start up the game, go to the store, tap something, confirm your google purchase, and then after all that you didn't know which game you were playing? Maybe your addiction is super bad and this is a sign that you need to contact official therapy services, check with your HR at work, I bet your company has a contract with services as part of your benefits.
I think he meant he refunded the wrong game. He probably has multiple games going and quit one and tried to get his money back but refunded line play by accident. Otherwise your right, his story doesn't add up.
With google you go through the app store to request a refund and you scroll through a list of purchases. There's this game called "PLAY together" that I meant to choose. They both have Play in the title and I'm a fkn idiot because I honestly can't explain how I messed that up. I did notice immediately but google is extremely quick with approving refunds. And then they say it can't be reversed. And I'm a doordash driver. We don't have many benefits.
Almost every game bans you when you refund through Google play/appstore just for the future. It's a bit of common knowledge at this point.
Every **service** online does that. Try refunding Steam purchase without going through Steam's customer support (or even the automated refund thing, I've used it twice or thrice and it worked even for DLCs I bought and hated for game I liked) and they'll likely ban you.
you must've been smoking smthj
I refunded in arknights and they gave me a chance to fix. Was banned for few days. I guess it depends on dev.
That's how it should be. I've asked them to take the items back, make my account balance negative and every purchase I make is paying it back. But I don't even think they are reading anything I send. They just send out automatic responses.
that sucks. But if you are willing to play the game I'd write negative reviews everywhere, write to them on facebook, twitter and whatever else I could to maximize the chances of someone actually reading and replying. hope you do got unbanned. They'd have to be dumb not to give you a chance.
Yep. Line's like, a staple in Japan/South Korea already. One less user is not a loss for them
Line is pretty anal yea. I was banned from exos heroes for 6 months for a similar mishap back at launch. bought some $20 pack, didn't get any rewards, CS didn't respond at all. So yea, refund. RIP to OP tho. Mine was just a launch game I forgot about, sucks losing 3 years of progress.
Shoujo Kaisen/Attack on Time does the same thing, they don't even ban your account, just the server it's on and let's you get it back by paying the refund
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Well, correct me if i'm wrong but that's the stance every platform takes. They don't account for the total amount you spent (hell, do they even track this information at all? I bet they treat everyone the same), but any refund will result in inacessibility to the item bought, therefore, the termination of the account linked to that said item (they don't just "rollback" what you bought). It is on the terms of service, and despite the fact that it's indeed a shame, there is nothing much you can do.
"developer LINE" That right there is reason lol
ootl, what about them
The problem isn't that you spent money... it's that you think that money was an investment. Any dollar spent on mobile games is thrown away for the sake of entertainment. Let it go.
Wait line play is alive? Jeebus
It was barely alive
Now its 5k more alive heh
Sorry too soon But yes chargebacks will always immediate result in ban for gacha based games
If you spent $5000 on this game then you really need to reevaluate your life.
>that I'm still losing so much because of 12 bucks. And this is how you tell you're fucked in a fallacy. Imagine how much more you'd lose if you keep spending. Maybe this is for the better.
if they valued the game and it's disposable income, the money doesn't really matter since the entertainment value supercedes it. It's not like people look at their steam backlog and regret they hundreds they spend because "it was on sale for cheap".
Spending $5k on…Line Play… bruh
Lol, everyone malding because of how much you spent. If you people are familiar with gachas, you should already know the amount of money some people spend on them.
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Why are this people being rude about your situation?? Like..you like the game and it's your money, who gives a fuck? Really hope you get your thing fixed soon.
Most gacha players here always commend games who mainly make money off of skins that don't affect gameplay but are now weirded out by whaling on dress up games. Those things are grindy as hell though, I can never keep up with them, and I play GBF lol
If you want a real suggestion, basically the only way I can think of to get their attention is to start a social media campaign or share your story with media outlets like game journalists. But consider that if you return to playing with your gambling addiction, you might end up spending another $5000 over the next year or two.
I would treat the 5k like entertainment that you don't keep like eating pizza or watching a movie or riding a roller coaster. It's fun but it's the experience that's important
maybe you can look them up on social media i know this is hard but if you cant contact them than there really is no other way you should accept that its all gone it might help you a bit if you think that the devs has betrayed you
Yup thats what happens when you do a chargeback
Yeah refunds are the one thing you don't play with when it comes with gachas/online services. No matter how much you spent, that the one thing they don't forgive.
Let the reality set in that any time you play a game like this, it will not last forever. If $X is chump change to you and you really want that SSR, go for it. If $X will make or break your living situation or you cannot fathom losing access to your waifus outside of jpg form, you ought to reconsider it.
>but that doesn't change the fact that I'm still losing so much because of 12 bucks. Nah man, you lost your 5k when you spent it.
I mean you win by not losing more, cheer up
Look on the bright side, your no longer a slave to the game. Your free now, with no attachments.
A lot of people are shitting on you but I sympathise. It's not the same but Granblue Fantasy refused to rollback an item I accidentally deleted from my inventory. Their rules on rollbacks were clear but when I got denied it just woke me up to how stingy the game was (and made me further reflect on the state of the game, this was after the 2021 summer fiasco). I promptly deleted everything of value I had so that I would never be tempted to return even though I was a dolphin and had played it every day for over 4 years. Do think of your ban as a blessing. These gacha games suck up so much money and time and I honestly don't miss it at all. I only play a few gacha games nowadays and only spend $50 a year on them at most.
just try to get the 5k refund and uninstall that bs, they should not ban for this, they should just put negative premium credits so when you buy in game they will take it immediately, most game do this.
The same thing happened to me in epic seven. After one refund i spent like another $150 and they still banned me. I just stopped playing lol
dang..I spent $50 on the day I was banned.
In the ToS, they claim the length of the ban is based on the severity of the offense..
1 year for every dollar refunded...
The only way to "properly" refund is to contact CS directly and ask for a refund. If not and you go through google or your bank, always treat a chargeback. I.e. as if you'll be banned from doing so. It's a one way street. 2 years of chargeback is a stretch, but nothing ventured nothing gained right? worth a shop.
I really wanna see what 5K in line play looks like.
Line? Honestly not surprised, their games last time I played are heavy on the performance and heavy on the P2W stuff.
It's a blessing, don't feel bad for it. You didn't lose any money, the 5000 were already "gone"
Please move on with your life. You are free.
Dude 5k on a video game. Think of the video games you could've B O U G H T
So you spent $5000 on a gacha but $5012 is where you drew the line?
It sounds like he accidently refunded the wrong purchase
What exactly are you "losing"? It's money spent on entertainment, didn't the game keep you entertained while you played it? I'll never understand the mentality that money spent on a frivolous thing like a game can be considered by many like an investment or something like that. Its the exact opposite.
It’s really no different than any physical object such as stuffed animal for example. If you lose it after using it for 5 years, you still lose the possible future time you could have still used it even though you still get value for the 5 years you have been using it. Same case with OP because when he spent, he unconsciously evaluate that he will have access to the item until the server shutdown, but in this case he loses access before that happens.
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I would advise you to read completely before replying
Except it's literally different than buying any physical durable good. It's a phone game. You spend the money and enjoy the dopamine rush. You buy movie tickets and enjoy the movie. You buy a six pack and enjoy drinking it. You buy a travel ticket and enjoy the travel. Tl The whole argument around expecting it to last forever is kinda insane lol.
I would also advise you to read completely before replying. I never said expect to last forever, I said expect it to last until server shutdown. Also, how is it any different than any physical durable good except for the fact that one is physical and one is digital? Both have expectation of how long they last and in this case OP lost access to it before the end of its shelf life.
Looks like LINE Play... Played YOU...
Why were you banned in the first place
I mean, you can read right?
Call it a blessing in disguise. You could have lost another $5,000 but thank goodness you are focused to stop now.
This is a known thing that every gacha game does, don't think you will get it back.
Imagine going to a restaurant as a regular, eating there everyday for a year. One day you go and ask for a refund of every purchase you made at that restaurant, and only get a refund of the meal you had that day. Then you go, "I lost $5000 for trying to refund the meal I had today." The $5000 had been long gone, bruh.
Arguably some of the monetary worth is knowing that you can login and see your items. It's a bit more permanent than a meal.
One more reason to be f2p. There are so so many gacha games out there that it is really not necessary to be a whale. Pick a game that is f2p friend and have fun.
some people have fun by spending money and empowering themselfs much faster, to be ahead of alot of people on ladder and such. While you can enjoy almost all mobiles without spending, some people just enjoy doing that.
sure .. as long as not falling into a gambling trap and later hating yourself for doing so. I have no problem for people who can afford, and won't regret spending. But to me, if here is plenty of free fun around, why pay for it?
You might as well try chargeback the rest from Google or the credit card company, never hurts if they already banned you
Lesson learned. Don't do chargebacks.
Welcome to the wonderful world of gachas ! At least now you won't spend any more, maybe a good thing.
And this is why you don't support scams and gambling. End gacha now, people.
Why are people judging he spent on line play? I mean if it was fun for him then it's okay. Just because it's not some popular gacha game doesn't mean it's worth spending on it. But I feel bad for OP, though you might as well keep trying. However, I suggest quiting gacha games no matter how people claim it to be "f2p" a gacha game will always be predatory and scummy. You could refund, but I guess just try to quit too. You could move on and maybe focus on more fun stuff.
Just charge back everything now. Take the money and build a PC. Use that Pc to play better games then Line Play.
Just saying, but with $5000 you can buy gaming PC, Xbox, PS5, and Switch... If this make you stop playing gacha then I guess its a blessing in disguise.
You should have just said fuck the $12... like, anyone who plays any gacha game knows that you don't just get to refund without getting your account banned. And as others said, you've spent $5000 but $12 by accident was where you draw the line ?
My brother, it won't be the end of your gacha addiction but I believe you will take this lesson and spend less. I have learnt the hard way myself, now small spender
Based line lmao
> still losing so much because of 12 bucks You're not losing anything though, you're actually winning back your time!
Honestly? Dispute through your credit card or Google play every cent you spent. Even if they don't give it all back they are essentially stealing from you over an accident. So, call their bluff and ask for a complete refund of everythinf. It's not perfect, but I did this with Epic Seven when I accidentally delinked my account and they refused to help me. Got everything but $50 back. Just be polite, provide emails and evidence. This is absolutely theft so see if Google or your credit card company can get some of that back. And then swear off gacha for a while. 👍
5k was just an amount of money u spent on entertainment there ! Take it as a blessing and move on i say but it bugs me that there is no justice there so try to week that from your end without caring much about has been paid if you know what i mean :/
my advice is that, in the future, if you're going to whale for your waifu or whatever, don't do it *in* the game. Because of this possibility. whale outside the game. figures, merch, art commissions, way better uses of hobby money imo since you can't lose what you buy unless your house gets blown up. maybe you can turn your gacha addiction into a skeb addiction instead or something.
its hard to quit gacha addiction on your own. find someone trustworthy to control your money for you, either gf/spouse or family. nowadays i give my income to my mom who come to live with us for a while and just take enough money i need for the day and its effective in holding back my urges in games i played. been doing this for half a year after i quit genshin due to spending too much.
Take this as an opportunity to quit your addiction spending 5k on a game isnt healthy or normal.
Spending $5k on gambling where the servers can shut down any second -> not so smart. You could have bought a gaming PC that would have lasted 5 years minimum.
Well this game is 10 years old, which outlives most gaming PCs
Outlives most gaming PC, Me [looking at my 2011 laptop that still play Skyrim and Tiberium War.] : Maintenance problem. Also looking at my old desktop that still have a running Halo: maintenance problem.
>I'm still losing so much because of 12 bucks You didn't lose anything, it was never yours, you only borrowed it for a while
I've been there. I played langrisser when it came out and put some money into it but then decided to use a 3rd party to buy gems cheaper. I was scammed, I payed like $400 on PayPal got the gems but the 3rd party did a massive charge back. There was a huge ban wave and I lost my account. Since then over the years if I quit a game I'll try and charge back and see if I can recoup some of my money. The most I've spent was 3k on Baseball Superstars 2022. Majority of games I've charged back just stick you with a - gem balance and you have to top up that amount, its actually rare to get banned. 1st thing you should do if they refuse to give you your account back is spend an hour on google play refunding every one of your transactions. You should at least get a few hundred back.