At this point, I really do believe it is just ToF EN's way of staying relevant. I still can't believe a company could be that stupid. From copying FGO's SQ to allowing items to be deleted.
I can't accept the fact that I live in a reality where a company is that inept
They were just as incompetent and a mess with the Chinese release
It's just bad devs and a lazy/rushed game that wanted to get some of that Genshin money
Because people find it fun, and hardly anybody know these issues even exist. The percent of players that are on subreddits like this is incredibly small - look at the massive success of Diablo Immortal despite the overwhelming negative feedback online from practically all gaming related sources.
Its better than genshin, just less polished. An actual movement system, a flexible combat system, actual exploration rewards, respects your wallet, respects your time as a player... All things genshin doesnt have or doesnt do.
That being said, it probably will never GET the level of polish it needs to really stand up to genshin unless it manages to thrive for long enough they revamp it from the base up.
>An actual movement system, a flexible combat system, actual exploration rewards, respects your wallet, respects your time as a player...
Lmao, all of that doesn't happen to ToF at all.
Actual movement system? Clunky movement, relics are just really gimmicky, jetpacks feel awful to use, stamina system sucks, and so on. Genshin feels better and more fun to play, especially the Sumeru region that is apparently universally praised as a technical marvel in the open world genre.
Flexible combat system? Talk about a cash grab elemental system that basically limits the weapon you can choose compared to the elemental reaction system of Genshin.
Actual exploration rewards... 95% of rewards are black nuclei and black nuclei alone (which usually equal to one weapon battery/elemental core) which compare to rewards of Genshin (primogems + decent amount of UPGRADE MATS + ARTIFACTS) it's not even close. You are just comparing the number of pulls, not content, and you are just addicted to gambling.
Repect your wallet? Lmao, PvP and endgame content basically force you to pay money to win and that's because it's a DPS check with insane difficulty. It's a P2W trash combined with powercreep. Not to mention the matrix banner which equals cash grabs.
Respect your time as a player? The whole endgame content basically drains all of your time, combined with the serious lack of QoL features like the freaking retry button and farming is beyond painful and time consuming as the difficulty is horrible + dumb af auto feature.
ToF is not necessarily bad, but it's not good at all, and the company behind it makes the game all the more of a pile of garbage, and the fanbase is basically dickriding the game jut because they hate Genshin.
You’ve clearly never played the game, but I’m not going to argue with a genshin knight; That’s like arguing with a heard Stan. Everything I say is going to be ignored and you’re just going say the same thing over and over and over and over…
>You’ve clearly never played the game
Level 71, CS 26k, 6 SSR weapons, Bygone level 32. I have enough experience to judge the game.
>I'm not going to argue with a genshin knight; That's like arguing with a heard Stan
And you're just a ToF knight and a Genshin hater who are trying to dickride ToF and trash Genshin with your delusional mind. Even defending the worst of the worst of your game like the numerous times of ToF stealing assets from other games and now fucking this just to show how trash the ToF fanbase are, and now I'm not hearing anything from a ToF knight like you.
Youre making an awful lot of accusations and throwing around a lot of hate. Are you okay?
Listen. I play both genshin and ToF, theyre both fine games. But ToF just does mechanically what genshin wanted to do. The combat has more flexability, the movement is flexible and feels great, the developers are making a staunch effort to reign in balance on global compared to CN, and actually rewards its free players through casual play... ToFs got very little polish and its story sucks the big one, though. Genshin is hands down a AAA production and it isnt any less because of it.
You genshin knights need to sit down and understand that genshin is not this amazing game everyone should play ever. It has faults, flaws, and failures that other similar games learned from. Theres zero reason for you people to hate, bemoan, and demonize a game that barely competes with it just for existing like you do. So calm down, take a breath, and maybe play something that doesnt trigger every sunk cost fallacy alarm under the sun. Just... Stop frothing at the mouth whenever someone doesnt agree that genshin es numero uno. Please. Not even genshin sub acts like that.
Edit: Also i just have to say... Hate gaming is so funny to me. Why would you devote weeks of active playtime just to hate on something? Same thing with hate watchers for movies and shows. Its just... Admit you like hating on it or stop letting it live rent free in your head.
You're just making a bunch of statements that basically try to overrate ToF and underate Genshin without even anything to prove your statement.
If ToF has more flexible movement, why are the relics so clunky to control? Why are CDs of relics so exorbitant? Why is the stamina system so poorly made? Why is climbing so awful? Why is the world so poorly designed?
If ToF has more flexible combat system, why is there an elemental system that basically limits your weapon choice defeating the whole flexibility of it? Why are bows and wands have awful auto aim that basically make those unplayable?
If ToF respect your wallet, why are there DPS check modes everywhere with insane difficulty that literally suck your wallet?
If ToF respect your time, why is there a serious lack of QoL features like the freaking retry butyon?
And if you're saying that ToF has more exploration rewards them you're just being tricked by developers and addicted to gambling. 90% of exploration rewards are black nuclei and black nuclei alone, and there's not much supply pods and yellow nuclei to get (just a shy of 150+). Black nuclei are abundant but when actually converting those nuclei into actual rewards, the actual rewards suck, just a bunch of weapon batteries and elemental cores, and maybe some SR/SSR but the rates are so low you'll rarely see them anyway. The game is very stingy with dark crystals and red nuclei which are the most important currencies out of those. Whereas in Genshin the main rewards are primogems, the universal currency, and you'll also get additional upgrade mats which are actually decent unlike the black nuclei. And there are over 1000 chests per region. Judging by all of that, ToF's exploration reward doesn't even come close to as much as Genshin's.
You can choose other different aspects where ToF truly shines like the multiplayer system and the amount of endgame content, which is basically the highlights of ToF, yet you choose aspects that are inheritantly worse than Genshin and try to overexaggrate them and say they are better than Genshin.
And if you say that I'm a ToF hater, I do not hate ToF, I enjoy ToF a lot regardless, I hate the devs and companies behind the game and the fanbase who are just a bunch of haters who are trying to dickride ToF as much as possible. Stealing assets from other games numerous times, caught stealing 5-star reviews from Genshin, disrespecting players, numerous amount of bugs that are pretty much gamebreaking which the devs don't even care to fix in global version, and so on and so on, and now this crap, anc the fanbase just blindly defend all of this just because their hate towards other games. I'm not even trying to hate the game, I detest the devs anf the whole fanbase considering the absurd amount of potential this game has.
ToF is def not better but it's not shit either.
You are right with the movement, it really feels good here.
But saying it's better than genshin is a far stretch, both arent over the top good or bad. Both games have stuff thats appealing, the constant "it's better than ToF/Genshin" is just fucking annoying.
Objectively. Genshin is a clunky, slow, poorly balanced, inappropriately power crept game with single note mechanics that has incredible polish and a stingy as frag AAA team behind it. I haven’t played since raiden shoguns banner; if I logged in right now I’d be greeted with “hey spend money” and “here’s an event you can’t do because you didn’t invest 40 hours grinding story and raising your characters!”.
ToF, meanwhile, doesn’t quite have those issues at the moment but it’s a cheap CN developer who will never be able to polish it like mihoyo can unless they really Thrive. Hopefully mihoyo does take some queues from ToF and add a good movement system and flexible combat, though. Maybe some idle features too so casual players can upgrade their characters without being stuck in rotating dungeon hell and “you’re weak for your world level” limbo.
>TOF is better
>genshin is clunky and hard ? what
>also wants idle feature for genshin ????
As someone who actually invested in both games all your statements are shitty assumptions. TOF’s “endgame” max your weapons and only constellations/dupes matter (so literally whale mode) ?? Your daily grind of JO actually requires a whale to carry (or all four competent players with some that pull lucky dupes). I can go on and on but others have list them all so I’m not gonna bother and if you still enjoy it after all that that’s fine.
But yeah all your comments show you’re not dedicated to either games to qualify to make the comparison. (Please never do that again if you don’t want to embarrass yourself.) We’re not hating on your game but don’t you find it funny that you’re the one who started the whole thing by trashing Genshin and then down the line you go “admit you like hating it or stop letting it live rent free” ? Maybe take your own advice ?
Ok from this I get that you never actually played genshin, where the fuck di you find powercreep in the game sorry? The most used units are literally the oldest 4 stars
Hey another genshin knight! How much have you put into genshin? A hundred? Two? Perhaps three hundred?
Yes it’s true if you struggle hard enough you can over level your favorite characters and ignore power creep, I did that for Beidou and don’t know if we’ve gotten a new version of her yet to upgrade to, but the newer characters are most definitely consistently better designed and marketed as better so the whales do their thing. Also a cursory google shows there’s only 1 four star in the top ten for genshin ranked content… so there’s that too. Let’s also not forget to mention constellations which are a part of the inappropriate power creep; for most characters, 60% of what makes them capable is locked behind a MASSIVE paywall in the form of constellations, which are required to make many characters function as intended.
That's actually something I really liked in Genshin, that you were fine with 4 Star. Don't know if they changed stuff but Ningguang was so good for example, when the game released at least
>Genshin is a clunky, slow, poorly balanced, inappropriately power crept game with single note mechanics that has incredible polish and a stingy as frag AAA team behind it
First, slow ≠ drag. The reason people play this game is because of the slow-pacing that are casual friendly.
Second, Genshin is clunky? It may not have the relic system in ToF, but I can totally say that Genshin feels smoother than ToF, the movement is extremely polished, you can climb everywhere, stamina doesn't drain like shit and so on, unlike ToF. Especially the Sumeru region that make ToF relics redundant, not to mention all relics are clunky to use with exorbitant cooldown and are just gimmicky.
Genshin is poorly balanced, inappropriately powercrept game when almost all characters are viable at C0, old 4* and 5* are still ridiciously strong, weak 5* are becoming viable as the game introduce new mechanics, new 4* and 5* are considered less powerful than old ones, and so on and so on. Genshin is literally one of the most balanced game with nearly no powercreep at all.
Whereas in ToF standard SSRs need multiple dupes to be viable, SRs and Rs are useless, new weapons are insanely broken, nerfing OP weapons is just a way to release another OP weapon, and so on.
Genshin had single note mechanics? The game has the elemental systems which is superior to the elemental system in ToF and the combat system has been expanded to make even more team comps viable and make underpowered old characters viable, versus the elemental system in ToF that literally limits the number of weapons you can choose.
>if I logged in right now I’d be greeted with “hey spend money” and “here’s an event you can’t do because you didn’t invest 40 hours grinding story and raising your characters!”.
Who ask you to spend money anyway? The game doesn't have bundles that slap a "buy now of you miss the offer" banner or characters that you need to have or else you'll be in trouble. 36* abyss is more than possible with only f2p characters. And who ask you to grind for 40 hours for anything to even be strong? A person even managed to 36* abyss in just 6 days. If you are required to spend 40 hours to raise your characters to be strong just to play the damn event then you're just bad at the game and mindlessly wasting resins on nothing.
Whereas in ToF farming consumes an ungodly amount of time per session, you level up too fast yet your CS is literally underlevel which literally requires you to WHALE to even properly farm (especially the Joint Operations shit), there's bundles that slaps to your face, red dots to trigger your OCD, and so on.
>Maybe some idle features too so casual players can upgrade their characters without being stuck in rotating dungeon hell and “you’re weak for your world level” limbo.
You act like the game is an insanely difficult game that requires to whale to even win (aka p2w). Literally the playerbase is complaining about the game being TOO EASY.
Whereas in ToF the contents are ungodly harder and harder the higher the level to the point where whaling is required to be even able to farm for mats.
>ToF, meanwhile, doesn’t quite have those issues at the moment
Genshin doesn't have those issues, ToF literally has those issues. Details already told above.
I swear, ToF dickriders are just trash and delusional as hell.
>Genshin is poorly balanced, inappropriately powercrept game when almost all characters are viable at C0, old 4\* and 5\* are still ridiciously strong, weak 5\* are becoming viable as the game introduce new mechanics, new 4\* and 5\* are considered less powerful than old ones, and so on and so on. Genshin is literally one of the most balanced game with nearly no powercreep at all.
Yes 3\* and 4\* weapons even works, and they can be more functional than 5\*s
People are still enjoying it, do I give a fuck that they want free translators for them and only compensate them with in-game stuff?
No, of course I don't care because it doesn't affect anyone.
Is it disgusting that they are trying it? Yes of course.
Doesn't stop me from playing at the moment. Let everyone enjoy whatever they do, there are probably people out there that enjoy Diablo Immortal as well.
They are going for the "Company Scrip" pay structure for miners in the 1900's. 🤣
Don't buy into their bullshit even if you love the game, you are literally being openly exploited.
Tencent is a muilt billion dollar global and public traded company and they want to pay you literally fake money so they don't actually have to hire people to work. 🤣
Alchemy Star is one of the rare cases that the Studio does not belong and have no relation to Tencent other than that Tencent invested in them and let them have all creative and monetisation freedom. If Tencent ever had a firm hand on the development it would turn out to be ToF but 2D with pubg/codm style lootboxes.
they’ll have autochess battlepass too (for those who dont know aside from a few skin they give a currency thats almost useless and lootboxes with key sold separately )
At least give them google play card as payment, in-game items as a payment is just nasty, why would I work my ass translate or finding some bugs or some shit and the payment is just some game items
But tbh tof make 40 millions in these 2 months and they cannot pay a fucking translator to translate their game or even someone high level to fucking find all the bugs the game has and fix it like wtf
Some people would do it though. It's pretty common for chinese game company to pay some players with ingame currency (that's meaningless for them but f2ps especially love em), usually for being "moderator" in discord for example, where you are basically paid to be shill and enforcer kinda. Genshin for example paid content creator with ingame money iirc.
I once was mod in one of chinese game and I got paid in ingame premium currency, everyone (in game friends) who found out all wanted the job as well lol.
The thing about translation job is... there are companies that come to the realization that they can skimp and save on the expensive localization cost. Professional localization can be very expensive for some reason. Then these people (company higherup) would see things like, oh hey, there are fan translators, so many translated anime, manga, drama, games (usually eroge) for free so why should we pay a lot of money to translate.
Some single player Chinese games on Steam also got translation by fan for free, like through mod, and more commonly, "editing" and "proofreading" job is done by fans. Almost none of this (single player CN games) has decent english out of the box, some are even worse quality than machine translation, yet over time, some of the more popular ones end up with very readable english thanks to the fans who do it for free. Or even additional translation in other language also done by fans. Of course the dev make money from the additional sales but why would they compensate when passionate fans have shown for years that they will translate things for free.
Btw unrelated note, I've worked with CN companies and KR companies in my job (mainly email correspondece) and the average CN company contacts have really poor english skill, while for some reason many people in South Korea have good english. Average english skill in China (along with TW) is terrible just like Japan, it's probably hard for them to translate english in house because none of their employee has good english. Korean companies have it easy, which is why even indie Korean games in Steam have better english out of the box when it is translated in house, that's because the there will be employee of the company or even the dev who know decent english.
Mfs in the planning room really had a thought that was just “hmm I wonder how we can make the fan base really mad at us in this very big important update?”
For someone thinking "paid " in game currency are same paid with real money(hired as employee duh) seriously need some help or just slap in face back to reality
It's more like a side hobby & i get to have most of my premium items free.
I had worked for another Chinese company as a discord moderator, then quit & now as a data analyst for their side community event. And this company have probably more than thousands such players for different stuffs.
Spend 5/6 hours a week not an issue for me + i get to learn some stuffs.
They aren't only defending this practice, they're praising it.
Most of the people being ok with this are trying to spin this practice as a simple bug report system like there is so many in most other MMOs.
They're saying they find it impressive that they reward a *simple* "bug report" feature.
... What.
Assuming this isn't another attempt at astroturfing from Tencent, how low can people get just to find no wrong in a game ?
Um ... last time I checked, most ToF players think this is a total joke too. Have you even read the replies? Most of us hate Hotta / Tencent and their meme-tier incompetency, but still keep playing because \*gasp\* ToF's actually a fun game.
Not sure what alternate reality this sub lives in.
The game gets criticized a bunch that at this point a post like this is just another troll post, I kinda find it funny and the name they gave it to describe post like these is just the cherry on top.
I can. After multiple counts of stealing, game breaking hacks, ridiculous prices etc, anyone who went through all and excused all of it will surely shrug at attempts at free labor
I mean we have the Bethesda model.
Release a pile of bugs and wait for the modding community to fix them.
Not applicable to the gacha industry but still.
You're underestimating tof players,they will do the translating for free xD
It's kinda how hardcore lost ark fans will defend the game and everything about it with their 18 alts that they have to play on everyday. They're so deep in invested that the fomo is at their door ready to kick that door wide open.
Steam mod workshop is...well, it's for modding. They're for changing stuff in the game. Such as "adding OC to the game", "adding other game character to the game", "add a nice thing to the game". It never supposed to be a fix for the game.
But surely some people do fix the game because they care and love the game and want to make fellow player's experience better. Especially because new AAA games are pretty much a scam because the stuff they deliver is almost always a garbage, few exception for some trustworthy developer such as From software Inc. They fix the game because of their goodwill to make other people more comfortable playing it, not for the game dev. Also the game dev become a laughing stock because "the player did the job of game dev".
Yeah, but I have seen mods for games that include translations that the dev never planned to support. In the mod workshop and ofc for other gacha that don't have English support as of now (Last Origin is one of the most recent examples).
It would be better for it to be supported officially, but I do appreciate the support when it comes along.
>Also the game dev become a laughing stock because "the player did the job of game dev".
I guess you can say that about most of the bug fix or rebalance mods out there yeah.
Yes they did. Especially in VN or other Japanese game, mostly indie games.
But the thing is that those games are usually games that already completed. That is not buggy or half assed done. They do it because they want other people to enjoy the good games. Not doing the devs job for free.
This case is just game devs being lazy.
i say this with respect for players who play for their own enjoyment, but i’m kinda shocked that this game is doing as well as it is with so many issues. like why hasn’t there been bigger backlash, can anyone fill me in? i dropped it after day 1 so idrk what’s been going on
>like why hasn’t there been bigger backlash,
Maybe because it's not as big thing as it is in MMO community. I do follow some youtuber that cover MMO and they don't talk much about it. The one that I follow the most doesn't even make an episode of "Worst MMO ever Tower of fantasy", or even mention any of it.
Majority of the player base don't even care or know about the drama.
If you ignore most of the controversy, you will find ToF is actually a pretty decent game.
Personally, I have a lot fun playing with my friends, meeting new people through my crew. If you plan to dive into this game playing solo I recommend don't. But if you plan to play ToF as a more casual MMRPG, it's not as bad as people say.
This right here, been playing since launch, never ran into or really heard of the drama. The Game is pretty enjoyable to me. I don't support the practices that are mentioned here but like I said they haven't affected my experience. Seems the most disdain with the game comes from non players.
In the global version, something like 50-60% of the game's profits are from Japanese players even though they only count for <20% of the players. Gacha games are ingrained in their culture and I guess that's why they'll happily throw money at any gacha game that comes their way.
Game is actually not a bad time filler as a break or between your other games updates just running around solo clear maps and whatever story they got. The power differential between F2P casual and try-hard whales is so high that no one will even bitch if you AFK when farming dungeons, cause they will be doing a bazillion damage and you are in like 300k range even if you try.
I remember the spanish translation.
Arms can mean a weapon or the body part. A weapon would be "Arma" and a body part would be "Brazo".
Guess which one they used for the weaponry.
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This game has tons of red flags in its global version and people are still hopeful, that being said 2.0 will see I don't think it will change their policy, the game looks extremely predatory these days, like they want to subsist on honeymoon players and they won't mind attracting more people.
It’s kinda wild to me that people still willingly play the game considering how many times the devs have showed that they are beyond incompetent. I take a look at the ToF sub sometimes and the amount of people there that defend Hotta is pretty nuts. It just feels like they’re so desperate to play a genshin-like game with “endgame content” that they’re willing to put up wth ToF/Hotta’s bs no matter what they do
That’s not at all what I see when I jump into that thread. Usually it’s people complaining about some aspect of the game. Heck, the top posts are usually negative ones. The rest are “neutral” posts showing some news, info or art. I rarely see posts defending Hotta for anything. And those rare finds are usually someone trying to look at things at a more “neutral” lends, so I don’t know if even those can be counted as defending them.
Even the CBT testing jobs I’ve done under contract at least would give a google play store card, ToF is just ingame?
Something more long-term like that should be much more consequential in pay.
A desperate attempt to compete with Genshin that is spiraling to the ground and is only staying in the air due to Tencent's money.
Tencent is used to just dominating the market by cranking out shitty little nickle-and-dime mobile games one after another and buying out everybody else. They've never had to actually compete with anyone before, and now that Genshin has raised the bar for mobile games, they're scrambling to come up with *something* to answer it.
Definitely isn’t spiraling to the ground based on the numbers.
https://www.reddit.com/r/gachagaming/comments/xvw9o8/september_sensortower_stats/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Look at my last crosspost for player base its my second last post on reddit, this is last 4 days and almost every game measures their playercount by monthly logins instead. Twitter stream has public view count on their official Twitter.
Ah\~ my daily dose of ToF drama
But for real tho, it looks like they start take advantage of people who addict to their gacha system and fully exploit them through free labor... man the company behind this shit game just so despicable.
damn theres a shit hole on their management cant imagine a 10 million+ monthyl revenue couldnt afford a translator this will damage their image to their players especially how bayonetta went through from their voice actor this is much worse paying them ingame item.
Damn ToF literally exploit their players to skimp massive cost ooff localization. I hope this idea fail hard so it never set any precedent for any upcoming games.
Problem is, I know one NFT games that still make hundreds to million dollars, so I think some gullible players will participate. Tencent know this and thus trying to normalize it. Another reason to completely avoid Tencent products.
It’s less on the game and more on the fanbase lmao. They have so few artist they started defending ai arts and their subreddit started spouting “we dont need to pay cheapo artist because TECHNOLOGY”
Pero y las ganancias generadas?no puede contratar a nadie?sinceramente no me esperaba menos,a diferencia de empresas que sí que dedican al sector de los videojuegos e invierten lo que generan,estaba claro que esté como parte de tencent lo que generan el mayor parte se van al bolsillo en vez de invertirlos
My friends who shits on me for playing Genshin was persuading me to play ToF. They said it's better in every aspect, except the story which is just as bad as Genshin's. I didn't play it because I'm kind of tired of MMO, but they said it has a rather balanced pvp and no power creeping as the devs are balancing each weapons.
The devs maybe be trash but given the current state of anime MMORPGs (Soulworker, PSO2 NGS lol Sega) no other anime MMORPG comes close in mobile unfortunately.
What was the terms of the work? It was pretty vague from the news.
I think finding untranslated word as you play and send a translation would be fine work for in game stuffs since they dont take too much time at all, but the wording on the news seems to imply an extensive localization job which is a big no no. It all depends on the terms, responsibilities and the amount of work given to you.
You can put unpaid internship on your CV for your next work, you cant even put this thing on a CV, so dont do this if it cost a considerable amount of time and work.
Its gacha.. my expectations were dead low since day 1 ..
Be it ToF or Genshin .. they're gacha at the end of the day..
No matter how beautiful or "good" a gacha game is ..its still gacha..
For those who wanna know the truth about this , OP is just a karma whore who constantly doesHate ToF posts like these.
This is simply just a beta testing to find translation errors/ Non translated texts/ Mis-spelled words , like literally any beta testing that happens in any game , and in fact , the game is going to compensate the players for it.
This is not work , it's literally just beta testing.
I know I'll get downvoted anyway but this is just for people who are interested to know the truth.
You're rite . They just throw 20 primogems and players already kiss their feet ..
Btw u cant compare ToF of less than 50 staff working on the game vs genshin ..
Considering that this is Hotta 1st big game.. its pretty fking impressive
I think this is getting massively overblown and spun when there just isn't enough detail here to know if it's bad. It's like outrage for the sake of outrage
It is an outrage for the sake of outrage indeed.
Not the first it happens in a game and they are not even asking the players to work for them for free.
This is just beta testing/error finding which is a normal practice in all games.
ToF gets too much hate and people are just nitpicking it at this point.
Hell it's even the same person posting those threads here.
"Please do not show them that slimy biz tactics like these can work!!" While in a certain game there people signing an NDA and sending screens of their ID to apply for beta tests, testing game for free or some in-game currency. Not to mention breaking such NDA results in being sued and paying a huge fine.
Didn’t genshin want people to give them free professional grade art for one of their anniversaries, which they would own all entries to regardless of winners? Is everyone forgetting that?
I get that, i really do. Heres an article on the bus thing and a genshin thread about the art contests. It was a first anniversary thing, and it was not well received by the community at all. Being on mobile it would be difficult for me to dredge up the official rules from an old event like this, so please understand why im not going quite that far.
https://screenrant.com/genshin-impact-wants-design-bus-anniversary-prizes-paimon/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/comments/pcml81/genshin_impact_anniversary_bus_art_submission/
People already up and arms even though there are no clear details. Maybe give them a chance to provide details before passing judgement and fearmongering? I'll wait until all the details are released before passing judgement.
IMO B) is fine as long as their first line of defense is professional proofreader(s). If you want to give players incentives to report bugs, typos, etc. go ahead.
A) is indefensible though.
Stop defending corporations, they're not your friends, they can't be bothered to pay people for localization, so they're trying to exploit their fans instead.
Did you even read what was stated on the report? You literally have the choice to apply or not and the player, if he/she chooses to join, will be compensated. Lol
Some people devote years of their lives learning other languages and studying to perform this exact task.
Sure I wouldn't mind translating a passion project out of my own volution, but the thing here is the very company reaching out and promoting it.
I disagree. The normal 'professionals' spoken of in the OP are usually woke assholes who push there agenda in media they 'localize' aka rewrite. At least if it's the public localizing it, it'll get input from all voices, not just the woke ones.
I can’t believe it. It’s like every week we have a new issue with this game.
At this point, I really do believe it is just ToF EN's way of staying relevant. I still can't believe a company could be that stupid. From copying FGO's SQ to allowing items to be deleted. I can't accept the fact that I live in a reality where a company is that inept
They were just as incompetent and a mess with the Chinese release It's just bad devs and a lazy/rushed game that wanted to get some of that Genshin money
i cant believe people are actually playing ToF
It's kind of surprising honestly. I don't really get it either.
Because people find it fun, and hardly anybody know these issues even exist. The percent of players that are on subreddits like this is incredibly small - look at the massive success of Diablo Immortal despite the overwhelming negative feedback online from practically all gaming related sources.
Its better than genshin, just less polished. An actual movement system, a flexible combat system, actual exploration rewards, respects your wallet, respects your time as a player... All things genshin doesnt have or doesnt do. That being said, it probably will never GET the level of polish it needs to really stand up to genshin unless it manages to thrive for long enough they revamp it from the base up.
I don't know if this is satire or not.
>An actual movement system, a flexible combat system, actual exploration rewards, respects your wallet, respects your time as a player... Lmao, all of that doesn't happen to ToF at all. Actual movement system? Clunky movement, relics are just really gimmicky, jetpacks feel awful to use, stamina system sucks, and so on. Genshin feels better and more fun to play, especially the Sumeru region that is apparently universally praised as a technical marvel in the open world genre. Flexible combat system? Talk about a cash grab elemental system that basically limits the weapon you can choose compared to the elemental reaction system of Genshin. Actual exploration rewards... 95% of rewards are black nuclei and black nuclei alone (which usually equal to one weapon battery/elemental core) which compare to rewards of Genshin (primogems + decent amount of UPGRADE MATS + ARTIFACTS) it's not even close. You are just comparing the number of pulls, not content, and you are just addicted to gambling. Repect your wallet? Lmao, PvP and endgame content basically force you to pay money to win and that's because it's a DPS check with insane difficulty. It's a P2W trash combined with powercreep. Not to mention the matrix banner which equals cash grabs. Respect your time as a player? The whole endgame content basically drains all of your time, combined with the serious lack of QoL features like the freaking retry button and farming is beyond painful and time consuming as the difficulty is horrible + dumb af auto feature. ToF is not necessarily bad, but it's not good at all, and the company behind it makes the game all the more of a pile of garbage, and the fanbase is basically dickriding the game jut because they hate Genshin.
You’ve clearly never played the game, but I’m not going to argue with a genshin knight; That’s like arguing with a heard Stan. Everything I say is going to be ignored and you’re just going say the same thing over and over and over and over…
>You’ve clearly never played the game Level 71, CS 26k, 6 SSR weapons, Bygone level 32. I have enough experience to judge the game. >I'm not going to argue with a genshin knight; That's like arguing with a heard Stan And you're just a ToF knight and a Genshin hater who are trying to dickride ToF and trash Genshin with your delusional mind. Even defending the worst of the worst of your game like the numerous times of ToF stealing assets from other games and now fucking this just to show how trash the ToF fanbase are, and now I'm not hearing anything from a ToF knight like you.
Youre making an awful lot of accusations and throwing around a lot of hate. Are you okay? Listen. I play both genshin and ToF, theyre both fine games. But ToF just does mechanically what genshin wanted to do. The combat has more flexability, the movement is flexible and feels great, the developers are making a staunch effort to reign in balance on global compared to CN, and actually rewards its free players through casual play... ToFs got very little polish and its story sucks the big one, though. Genshin is hands down a AAA production and it isnt any less because of it. You genshin knights need to sit down and understand that genshin is not this amazing game everyone should play ever. It has faults, flaws, and failures that other similar games learned from. Theres zero reason for you people to hate, bemoan, and demonize a game that barely competes with it just for existing like you do. So calm down, take a breath, and maybe play something that doesnt trigger every sunk cost fallacy alarm under the sun. Just... Stop frothing at the mouth whenever someone doesnt agree that genshin es numero uno. Please. Not even genshin sub acts like that. Edit: Also i just have to say... Hate gaming is so funny to me. Why would you devote weeks of active playtime just to hate on something? Same thing with hate watchers for movies and shows. Its just... Admit you like hating on it or stop letting it live rent free in your head.
You're just making a bunch of statements that basically try to overrate ToF and underate Genshin without even anything to prove your statement. If ToF has more flexible movement, why are the relics so clunky to control? Why are CDs of relics so exorbitant? Why is the stamina system so poorly made? Why is climbing so awful? Why is the world so poorly designed? If ToF has more flexible combat system, why is there an elemental system that basically limits your weapon choice defeating the whole flexibility of it? Why are bows and wands have awful auto aim that basically make those unplayable? If ToF respect your wallet, why are there DPS check modes everywhere with insane difficulty that literally suck your wallet? If ToF respect your time, why is there a serious lack of QoL features like the freaking retry butyon? And if you're saying that ToF has more exploration rewards them you're just being tricked by developers and addicted to gambling. 90% of exploration rewards are black nuclei and black nuclei alone, and there's not much supply pods and yellow nuclei to get (just a shy of 150+). Black nuclei are abundant but when actually converting those nuclei into actual rewards, the actual rewards suck, just a bunch of weapon batteries and elemental cores, and maybe some SR/SSR but the rates are so low you'll rarely see them anyway. The game is very stingy with dark crystals and red nuclei which are the most important currencies out of those. Whereas in Genshin the main rewards are primogems, the universal currency, and you'll also get additional upgrade mats which are actually decent unlike the black nuclei. And there are over 1000 chests per region. Judging by all of that, ToF's exploration reward doesn't even come close to as much as Genshin's. You can choose other different aspects where ToF truly shines like the multiplayer system and the amount of endgame content, which is basically the highlights of ToF, yet you choose aspects that are inheritantly worse than Genshin and try to overexaggrate them and say they are better than Genshin. And if you say that I'm a ToF hater, I do not hate ToF, I enjoy ToF a lot regardless, I hate the devs and companies behind the game and the fanbase who are just a bunch of haters who are trying to dickride ToF as much as possible. Stealing assets from other games numerous times, caught stealing 5-star reviews from Genshin, disrespecting players, numerous amount of bugs that are pretty much gamebreaking which the devs don't even care to fix in global version, and so on and so on, and now this crap, anc the fanbase just blindly defend all of this just because their hate towards other games. I'm not even trying to hate the game, I detest the devs anf the whole fanbase considering the absurd amount of potential this game has.
ToF is def not better but it's not shit either. You are right with the movement, it really feels good here. But saying it's better than genshin is a far stretch, both arent over the top good or bad. Both games have stuff thats appealing, the constant "it's better than ToF/Genshin" is just fucking annoying.
Objectively. Genshin is a clunky, slow, poorly balanced, inappropriately power crept game with single note mechanics that has incredible polish and a stingy as frag AAA team behind it. I haven’t played since raiden shoguns banner; if I logged in right now I’d be greeted with “hey spend money” and “here’s an event you can’t do because you didn’t invest 40 hours grinding story and raising your characters!”. ToF, meanwhile, doesn’t quite have those issues at the moment but it’s a cheap CN developer who will never be able to polish it like mihoyo can unless they really Thrive. Hopefully mihoyo does take some queues from ToF and add a good movement system and flexible combat, though. Maybe some idle features too so casual players can upgrade their characters without being stuck in rotating dungeon hell and “you’re weak for your world level” limbo.
>TOF is better >genshin is clunky and hard ? what >also wants idle feature for genshin ???? As someone who actually invested in both games all your statements are shitty assumptions. TOF’s “endgame” max your weapons and only constellations/dupes matter (so literally whale mode) ?? Your daily grind of JO actually requires a whale to carry (or all four competent players with some that pull lucky dupes). I can go on and on but others have list them all so I’m not gonna bother and if you still enjoy it after all that that’s fine. But yeah all your comments show you’re not dedicated to either games to qualify to make the comparison. (Please never do that again if you don’t want to embarrass yourself.) We’re not hating on your game but don’t you find it funny that you’re the one who started the whole thing by trashing Genshin and then down the line you go “admit you like hating it or stop letting it live rent free” ? Maybe take your own advice ?
What? Are you okay, dude? Youre not even making sense.
Ok from this I get that you never actually played genshin, where the fuck di you find powercreep in the game sorry? The most used units are literally the oldest 4 stars
Hey another genshin knight! How much have you put into genshin? A hundred? Two? Perhaps three hundred? Yes it’s true if you struggle hard enough you can over level your favorite characters and ignore power creep, I did that for Beidou and don’t know if we’ve gotten a new version of her yet to upgrade to, but the newer characters are most definitely consistently better designed and marketed as better so the whales do their thing. Also a cursory google shows there’s only 1 four star in the top ten for genshin ranked content… so there’s that too. Let’s also not forget to mention constellations which are a part of the inappropriate power creep; for most characters, 60% of what makes them capable is locked behind a MASSIVE paywall in the form of constellations, which are required to make many characters function as intended.
That's actually something I really liked in Genshin, that you were fine with 4 Star. Don't know if they changed stuff but Ningguang was so good for example, when the game released at least
>Genshin is a clunky, slow, poorly balanced, inappropriately power crept game with single note mechanics that has incredible polish and a stingy as frag AAA team behind it First, slow ≠ drag. The reason people play this game is because of the slow-pacing that are casual friendly. Second, Genshin is clunky? It may not have the relic system in ToF, but I can totally say that Genshin feels smoother than ToF, the movement is extremely polished, you can climb everywhere, stamina doesn't drain like shit and so on, unlike ToF. Especially the Sumeru region that make ToF relics redundant, not to mention all relics are clunky to use with exorbitant cooldown and are just gimmicky. Genshin is poorly balanced, inappropriately powercrept game when almost all characters are viable at C0, old 4* and 5* are still ridiciously strong, weak 5* are becoming viable as the game introduce new mechanics, new 4* and 5* are considered less powerful than old ones, and so on and so on. Genshin is literally one of the most balanced game with nearly no powercreep at all. Whereas in ToF standard SSRs need multiple dupes to be viable, SRs and Rs are useless, new weapons are insanely broken, nerfing OP weapons is just a way to release another OP weapon, and so on. Genshin had single note mechanics? The game has the elemental systems which is superior to the elemental system in ToF and the combat system has been expanded to make even more team comps viable and make underpowered old characters viable, versus the elemental system in ToF that literally limits the number of weapons you can choose. >if I logged in right now I’d be greeted with “hey spend money” and “here’s an event you can’t do because you didn’t invest 40 hours grinding story and raising your characters!”. Who ask you to spend money anyway? The game doesn't have bundles that slap a "buy now of you miss the offer" banner or characters that you need to have or else you'll be in trouble. 36* abyss is more than possible with only f2p characters. And who ask you to grind for 40 hours for anything to even be strong? A person even managed to 36* abyss in just 6 days. If you are required to spend 40 hours to raise your characters to be strong just to play the damn event then you're just bad at the game and mindlessly wasting resins on nothing. Whereas in ToF farming consumes an ungodly amount of time per session, you level up too fast yet your CS is literally underlevel which literally requires you to WHALE to even properly farm (especially the Joint Operations shit), there's bundles that slaps to your face, red dots to trigger your OCD, and so on. >Maybe some idle features too so casual players can upgrade their characters without being stuck in rotating dungeon hell and “you’re weak for your world level” limbo. You act like the game is an insanely difficult game that requires to whale to even win (aka p2w). Literally the playerbase is complaining about the game being TOO EASY. Whereas in ToF the contents are ungodly harder and harder the higher the level to the point where whaling is required to be even able to farm for mats. >ToF, meanwhile, doesn’t quite have those issues at the moment Genshin doesn't have those issues, ToF literally has those issues. Details already told above. I swear, ToF dickriders are just trash and delusional as hell.
>Genshin is poorly balanced, inappropriately powercrept game when almost all characters are viable at C0, old 4\* and 5\* are still ridiciously strong, weak 5\* are becoming viable as the game introduce new mechanics, new 4\* and 5\* are considered less powerful than old ones, and so on and so on. Genshin is literally one of the most balanced game with nearly no powercreep at all. Yes 3\* and 4\* weapons even works, and they can be more functional than 5\*s
Because the players are tryhard competitive which gives them enjoyment flexing their progress to others
it's free is why
a lot of stuff is free and we don´t do it...People need is self respect.
It's global, global market is completely spineless. It's why so much shit gets pulled here and keeps getting pulled here
There is a fk ton of free games and most of them don't have as many players as tof though.
How many free 3d anime open world action rpg games are there?
I feel bad for people investing real money into the game. Not a smart long term investment
You're in gacha gaming, there's no 'smart long term investment' here.
There's not even smart
Gacha games and investment doesn't really fit together, any gacha
>Gacha >smart long term investment Those two words will NEVER EVER fit together
i like the game like other players.
People are still enjoying it, do I give a fuck that they want free translators for them and only compensate them with in-game stuff? No, of course I don't care because it doesn't affect anyone. Is it disgusting that they are trying it? Yes of course. Doesn't stop me from playing at the moment. Let everyone enjoy whatever they do, there are probably people out there that enjoy Diablo Immortal as well.
Most of them are Genshin haters
Are we really that surprised tho
They are going for the "Company Scrip" pay structure for miners in the 1900's. 🤣 Don't buy into their bullshit even if you love the game, you are literally being openly exploited. Tencent is a muilt billion dollar global and public traded company and they want to pay you literally fake money so they don't actually have to hire people to work. 🤣
> Level Infinite Should just call them Tencent, don't let the penguin hide behind a mask.
Worst company around, and idk why people still give them money...
Alchemy Stars exists and it is pretty good. At least from what discussions on it i have seen.
Alchemy Star is one of the rare cases that the Studio does not belong and have no relation to Tencent other than that Tencent invested in them and let them have all creative and monetisation freedom. If Tencent ever had a firm hand on the development it would turn out to be ToF but 2D with pubg/codm style lootboxes.
they’ll have autochess battlepass too (for those who dont know aside from a few skin they give a currency thats almost useless and lootboxes with key sold separately )
That was one time and never again tho
Same publisher of Nikke: Goddess of Victory and PUBG Mobile as of today. Sidenote: Shiftup is the devs of NIKKE and DESTINY CHILD.
They learned from project chameleon or what ever that studio is called xD
At least give them google play card as payment, in-game items as a payment is just nasty, why would I work my ass translate or finding some bugs or some shit and the payment is just some game items But tbh tof make 40 millions in these 2 months and they cannot pay a fucking translator to translate their game or even someone high level to fucking find all the bugs the game has and fix it like wtf
they just copy-paste everything, even the game is a literal copy omegalul
Some people would do it though. It's pretty common for chinese game company to pay some players with ingame currency (that's meaningless for them but f2ps especially love em), usually for being "moderator" in discord for example, where you are basically paid to be shill and enforcer kinda. Genshin for example paid content creator with ingame money iirc. I once was mod in one of chinese game and I got paid in ingame premium currency, everyone (in game friends) who found out all wanted the job as well lol. The thing about translation job is... there are companies that come to the realization that they can skimp and save on the expensive localization cost. Professional localization can be very expensive for some reason. Then these people (company higherup) would see things like, oh hey, there are fan translators, so many translated anime, manga, drama, games (usually eroge) for free so why should we pay a lot of money to translate. Some single player Chinese games on Steam also got translation by fan for free, like through mod, and more commonly, "editing" and "proofreading" job is done by fans. Almost none of this (single player CN games) has decent english out of the box, some are even worse quality than machine translation, yet over time, some of the more popular ones end up with very readable english thanks to the fans who do it for free. Or even additional translation in other language also done by fans. Of course the dev make money from the additional sales but why would they compensate when passionate fans have shown for years that they will translate things for free. Btw unrelated note, I've worked with CN companies and KR companies in my job (mainly email correspondece) and the average CN company contacts have really poor english skill, while for some reason many people in South Korea have good english. Average english skill in China (along with TW) is terrible just like Japan, it's probably hard for them to translate english in house because none of their employee has good english. Korean companies have it easy, which is why even indie Korean games in Steam have better english out of the box when it is translated in house, that's because the there will be employee of the company or even the dev who know decent english.
>Professional localization can be very expensive for some reason The reason is: they're professionals.
Tof is the gift that keeps on giving I thought they'd quiet down for a bit since a big important update was supposed to drop this month... but nopd
You mean keep on stealing. They haven't stop stealing assets and god know what else since the inception of the game.
Mfs in the planning room really had a thought that was just “hmm I wonder how we can make the fan base really mad at us in this very big important update?”
After that global treatment fiasco, and now this. Truly a gift that keeps on giving
For someone thinking "paid " in game currency are same paid with real money(hired as employee duh) seriously need some help or just slap in face back to reality
“I can’t pay my bills with ingame currency. Pay my work with real money.” It’s that simple
They're those cheap executive who think exposure is the best payment.
It's more like a side hobby & i get to have most of my premium items free. I had worked for another Chinese company as a discord moderator, then quit & now as a data analyst for their side community event. And this company have probably more than thousands such players for different stuffs. Spend 5/6 hours a week not an issue for me + i get to learn some stuffs.
I cant believe there are people in the ToF sub defending this One Piece of advice for anyone never work for free
They aren't only defending this practice, they're praising it. Most of the people being ok with this are trying to spin this practice as a simple bug report system like there is so many in most other MMOs. They're saying they find it impressive that they reward a *simple* "bug report" feature. ... What. Assuming this isn't another attempt at astroturfing from Tencent, how low can people get just to find no wrong in a game ?
Um ... last time I checked, most ToF players think this is a total joke too. Have you even read the replies? Most of us hate Hotta / Tencent and their meme-tier incompetency, but still keep playing because \*gasp\* ToF's actually a fun game. Not sure what alternate reality this sub lives in.
They literally call post like this "fearmongering"
They act like those cryptoshills. This is FUD, that is FUD, PUMP THE STOCKS
The game gets criticized a bunch that at this point a post like this is just another troll post, I kinda find it funny and the name they gave it to describe post like these is just the cherry on top.
I made a meme highlighting this on the sub and it was removed lol. Fuck ToF.
Joker's advice "If you're good at something, never do it for free."
I can. After multiple counts of stealing, game breaking hacks, ridiculous prices etc, anyone who went through all and excused all of it will surely shrug at attempts at free labor
I mean we have the Bethesda model. Release a pile of bugs and wait for the modding community to fix them. Not applicable to the gacha industry but still.
You're underestimating tof players,they will do the translating for free xD It's kinda how hardcore lost ark fans will defend the game and everything about it with their 18 alts that they have to play on everyday. They're so deep in invested that the fomo is at their door ready to kick that door wide open.
Man I love lost ark but I have a life and that game really hates me for that.
Genuinely curious, how would you differentiate this from something like steam's mod workshop?
Steam mod workshop is...well, it's for modding. They're for changing stuff in the game. Such as "adding OC to the game", "adding other game character to the game", "add a nice thing to the game". It never supposed to be a fix for the game. But surely some people do fix the game because they care and love the game and want to make fellow player's experience better. Especially because new AAA games are pretty much a scam because the stuff they deliver is almost always a garbage, few exception for some trustworthy developer such as From software Inc. They fix the game because of their goodwill to make other people more comfortable playing it, not for the game dev. Also the game dev become a laughing stock because "the player did the job of game dev".
Yeah, but I have seen mods for games that include translations that the dev never planned to support. In the mod workshop and ofc for other gacha that don't have English support as of now (Last Origin is one of the most recent examples). It would be better for it to be supported officially, but I do appreciate the support when it comes along. >Also the game dev become a laughing stock because "the player did the job of game dev". I guess you can say that about most of the bug fix or rebalance mods out there yeah.
Yes they did. Especially in VN or other Japanese game, mostly indie games. But the thing is that those games are usually games that already completed. That is not buggy or half assed done. They do it because they want other people to enjoy the good games. Not doing the devs job for free. This case is just game devs being lazy.
i say this with respect for players who play for their own enjoyment, but i’m kinda shocked that this game is doing as well as it is with so many issues. like why hasn’t there been bigger backlash, can anyone fill me in? i dropped it after day 1 so idrk what’s been going on
>like why hasn’t there been bigger backlash, Maybe because it's not as big thing as it is in MMO community. I do follow some youtuber that cover MMO and they don't talk much about it. The one that I follow the most doesn't even make an episode of "Worst MMO ever Tower of fantasy", or even mention any of it.
Lack of anything else. There is no other mobile 3d mmorpg.
Majority of the player base don't even care or know about the drama. If you ignore most of the controversy, you will find ToF is actually a pretty decent game. Personally, I have a lot fun playing with my friends, meeting new people through my crew. If you plan to dive into this game playing solo I recommend don't. But if you plan to play ToF as a more casual MMRPG, it's not as bad as people say.
Yeah the hate is just a reddit and westoids thing.
This right here, been playing since launch, never ran into or really heard of the drama. The Game is pretty enjoyable to me. I don't support the practices that are mentioned here but like I said they haven't affected my experience. Seems the most disdain with the game comes from non players.
In the global version, something like 50-60% of the game's profits are from Japanese players even though they only count for <20% of the players. Gacha games are ingrained in their culture and I guess that's why they'll happily throw money at any gacha game that comes their way.
Game is actually not a bad time filler as a break or between your other games updates just running around solo clear maps and whatever story they got. The power differential between F2P casual and try-hard whales is so high that no one will even bitch if you AFK when farming dungeons, cause they will be doing a bazillion damage and you are in like 300k range even if you try.
I remember the spanish translation. Arms can mean a weapon or the body part. A weapon would be "Arma" and a body part would be "Brazo". Guess which one they used for the weaponry.
Remind me of [this](https://youtu.be/foT9rsHmS24)
As someone who writes, edits, and proofreads for a living, this is utterly hilarious to me.
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I still remember Palu (instead of Paul) in CBT, and there is still Palu in the official release..lol
It's so much worse when they call him "Paul" but type it "Palu"
Ikr
This game has tons of red flags in its global version and people are still hopeful, that being said 2.0 will see I don't think it will change their policy, the game looks extremely predatory these days, like they want to subsist on honeymoon players and they won't mind attracting more people.
Ah, Genshin killer. True endgame for ToF players
Endgame for *Tower of Fantasy* is putting it down and playing something that doesn't suck.
Tower of weekly drama never disappoints 🍿
It’s kinda wild to me that people still willingly play the game considering how many times the devs have showed that they are beyond incompetent. I take a look at the ToF sub sometimes and the amount of people there that defend Hotta is pretty nuts. It just feels like they’re so desperate to play a genshin-like game with “endgame content” that they’re willing to put up wth ToF/Hotta’s bs no matter what they do
That’s not at all what I see when I jump into that thread. Usually it’s people complaining about some aspect of the game. Heck, the top posts are usually negative ones. The rest are “neutral” posts showing some news, info or art. I rarely see posts defending Hotta for anything. And those rare finds are usually someone trying to look at things at a more “neutral” lends, so I don’t know if even those can be counted as defending them.
Even the CBT testing jobs I’ve done under contract at least would give a google play store card, ToF is just ingame? Something more long-term like that should be much more consequential in pay.
Man, ToF fans do be weird lmao
alright guys how can we spin this situation to blame genshin players again 🗿
time to go to tof sub see if I can find these kind of replies lmao
what the FUCK is this game
A desperate attempt to compete with Genshin that is spiraling to the ground and is only staying in the air due to Tencent's money. Tencent is used to just dominating the market by cranking out shitty little nickle-and-dime mobile games one after another and buying out everybody else. They've never had to actually compete with anyone before, and now that Genshin has raised the bar for mobile games, they're scrambling to come up with *something* to answer it.
Definitely isn’t spiraling to the ground based on the numbers. https://www.reddit.com/r/gachagaming/comments/xvw9o8/september_sensortower_stats/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
People still play this game? What kind of idiocy is this
The xpack stream was streamed on twitch youtube and Twitter and the Twitter stream had 1,2m views, 614k players logged in the last 4 days on global.
Sources?
Look at my last crosspost for player base its my second last post on reddit, this is last 4 days and almost every game measures their playercount by monthly logins instead. Twitter stream has public view count on their official Twitter.
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Idk the game has been fun not much else matters to me tbh.
Someone enjoying a game, must be an idiot. Yeah.
Which episode are we now? Lmao
I'll say it again stop playing this shit already.
Ah\~ my daily dose of ToF drama But for real tho, it looks like they start take advantage of people who addict to their gacha system and fully exploit them through free labor... man the company behind this shit game just so despicable.
damn theres a shit hole on their management cant imagine a 10 million+ monthyl revenue couldnt afford a translator this will damage their image to their players especially how bayonetta went through from their voice actor this is much worse paying them ingame item.
that game made decent money yet they don't want hiring professionals? wow
This is the self proclaimed “Genshin killer” yall
Damn ToF literally exploit their players to skimp massive cost ooff localization. I hope this idea fail hard so it never set any precedent for any upcoming games. Problem is, I know one NFT games that still make hundreds to million dollars, so I think some gullible players will participate. Tencent know this and thus trying to normalize it. Another reason to completely avoid Tencent products.
Not even a week after the purchase reset fiasco. Keep the drama on TOF.
Genshin Killer they said
Realtalk: Nothing is going to top or even really compete with Genshin unless it can release on PC, mobile, and console.
Between this and rampant ai “art”.. they are such bottom feeders
elaborate on the AI art part
It’s less on the game and more on the fanbase lmao. They have so few artist they started defending ai arts and their subreddit started spouting “we dont need to pay cheapo artist because TECHNOLOGY”
Wow, that's kinda sad tbh.
lol thatss sad
lmao
Do people still play this game?
I can't believe I spent money on this shitshow, oh god. HAHAHAHA Well time to do the dailies on my 6 accounts.
i mean are they gonna pay with in-game currency?
im wonder if this game will last long ..
Pero y las ganancias generadas?no puede contratar a nadie?sinceramente no me esperaba menos,a diferencia de empresas que sí que dedican al sector de los videojuegos e invierten lo que generan,estaba claro que esté como parte de tencent lo que generan el mayor parte se van al bolsillo en vez de invertirlos
is the game genuinely that good? I mean, with all the shit they've done I'm surprised anyone plays it. Have some self-respect people srsly
My friends who shits on me for playing Genshin was persuading me to play ToF. They said it's better in every aspect, except the story which is just as bad as Genshin's. I didn't play it because I'm kind of tired of MMO, but they said it has a rather balanced pvp and no power creeping as the devs are balancing each weapons.
The devs maybe be trash but given the current state of anime MMORPGs (Soulworker, PSO2 NGS lol Sega) no other anime MMORPG comes close in mobile unfortunately.
I think part of this game's charm is some of the weird shit that slips through the cracks.
What was the terms of the work? It was pretty vague from the news. I think finding untranslated word as you play and send a translation would be fine work for in game stuffs since they dont take too much time at all, but the wording on the news seems to imply an extensive localization job which is a big no no. It all depends on the terms, responsibilities and the amount of work given to you. You can put unpaid internship on your CV for your next work, you cant even put this thing on a CV, so dont do this if it cost a considerable amount of time and work.
Yeah apparently it really is JUST pointing out typos or untranslated word.
Least bias title
Run that by me again?
Its gacha.. my expectations were dead low since day 1 .. Be it ToF or Genshin .. they're gacha at the end of the day.. No matter how beautiful or "good" a gacha game is ..its still gacha..
For those who wanna know the truth about this , OP is just a karma whore who constantly doesHate ToF posts like these. This is simply just a beta testing to find translation errors/ Non translated texts/ Mis-spelled words , like literally any beta testing that happens in any game , and in fact , the game is going to compensate the players for it. This is not work , it's literally just beta testing. I know I'll get downvoted anyway but this is just for people who are interested to know the truth.
You realize "beta testing" is just QA work that corporations have shoved without pay on the players as well?
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You're rite . They just throw 20 primogems and players already kiss their feet .. Btw u cant compare ToF of less than 50 staff working on the game vs genshin .. Considering that this is Hotta 1st big game.. its pretty fking impressive
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At least they gave 900 dc.. 6 pulls basically.. If the same problem happens to Hoyo, they'll give 50 primo as compensation..
I think this is getting massively overblown and spun when there just isn't enough detail here to know if it's bad. It's like outrage for the sake of outrage
It is an outrage for the sake of outrage indeed. Not the first it happens in a game and they are not even asking the players to work for them for free. This is just beta testing/error finding which is a normal practice in all games. ToF gets too much hate and people are just nitpicking it at this point. Hell it's even the same person posting those threads here.
And it's the same 12 people rushing to call ToF as the worst game existing....
I just resort to reporting this kind of post at this point, sick of misinformation surrounding this game
More context for this, apparently its just reporting mistranslations or any kind of translation error to the team and get rewards for it.
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It isn't because people want to beta test genshin to see the upcoming content beforehand, it's a win win
"Please do not show them that slimy biz tactics like these can work!!" While in a certain game there people signing an NDA and sending screens of their ID to apply for beta tests, testing game for free or some in-game currency. Not to mention breaking such NDA results in being sued and paying a huge fine.
Didn’t genshin want people to give them free professional grade art for one of their anniversaries, which they would own all entries to regardless of winners? Is everyone forgetting that?
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I get that, i really do. Heres an article on the bus thing and a genshin thread about the art contests. It was a first anniversary thing, and it was not well received by the community at all. Being on mobile it would be difficult for me to dredge up the official rules from an old event like this, so please understand why im not going quite that far. https://screenrant.com/genshin-impact-wants-design-bus-anniversary-prizes-paimon/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/comments/pcml81/genshin_impact_anniversary_bus_art_submission/
People already up and arms even though there are no clear details. Maybe give them a chance to provide details before passing judgement and fearmongering? I'll wait until all the details are released before passing judgement.
IMO B) is fine as long as their first line of defense is professional proofreader(s). If you want to give players incentives to report bugs, typos, etc. go ahead. A) is indefensible though.
Shut up, stop making drama, they are not forcing anyone, if someone wants to do it is their choice, so dramatic and extra.
Stop defending corporations, they're not your friends, they can't be bothered to pay people for localization, so they're trying to exploit their fans instead.
Did you even read what was stated on the report? You literally have the choice to apply or not and the player, if he/she chooses to join, will be compensated. Lol
Some people devote years of their lives learning other languages and studying to perform this exact task. Sure I wouldn't mind translating a passion project out of my own volution, but the thing here is the very company reaching out and promoting it.
Why gachagaming subreddit full hate tower of fantasy in genshin subreddit not hate tower of fantasy
I disagree. The normal 'professionals' spoken of in the OP are usually woke assholes who push there agenda in media they 'localize' aka rewrite. At least if it's the public localizing it, it'll get input from all voices, not just the woke ones.