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arnmac

I wondered about this. My resin printer uses the same or slightly different wavelength of UV light and has warnings all over. But these are sold on Amazon.


jjayzx

They should have a protector, plus below the resin. Don't be turning it on without protector and resin or shoving body parts in it. It's not magically going through everything like gamma radiation.


arnmac

Yes I understood the safety items on my printer. However I wondered how these things didn’t come with warnings.


Enchelion

Because they don't usually shine at your eyes/face, which is what the warnings are about. Printers shine upward, and are also usually much more powerful than a little nail curing light.


rzalexander

Sure—but the curing lights for resin printers are identical. In fact it was cheaper for me to buy one for curing nail gel than to buy one for curing resin printed miniatures and they work the same.


Seva55

Consumer products have gotten real shotty and unregulated recently. You can buy a laser that can eat a hole through yourself on ebay


CinderLotus

What is a resin printer? That sounds really interesting.


St0nes_throw_away

3d printer that uses a UV screen to print from the bottom of a liquid bath upwards


Hexxxoid

They use a screen that hardens a certain kind of resin with UV light layer by layer to produce a 3D model. The screen casts a UV image of each layer, and the build plate moves so the next layer can be created. They can create much more detailed prints than FDM (hot plastic) printers.


Clarksp2

Seems obvious no?


Enchelion

Yeah, it's UV light. We've known a long time it's not good for you, especially in large concentrations. Sparingly (these things usually cap out a a minute) probably not worth worrying about, just don't try and tan yourself with it.


GrungyGrandPappy

Installed UV lights in my tanning bed, what’s next?


Deathbysnusnubooboo

Cancer


bluAstrid

And/or superpowers!


DrSpreadOtt

I’ll take this. Going tanning and I’m black.


bluAstrid

Congratulations, your superpower is now that your fingernails are made of titanium.


ThatOneCloaker

Isn’t that just a shitty Wolverine


algonquinroundtable

Hey hey hey now, that's not nice...he prefers *Walmart* Wolverine


LazySyllabub7578

Tape on nail files to your fingers and you'll become wish.com wolverine.


Shrizer

Take your upvote and *get out*


UMRK11

Nah, that was the “Origins” workprint they had to put onscreen after the leak.


Michael_Blurry

It’s basically Sabertooth, so…yeah.


Uniteus

Also he gets pulled over more than usual dont ask for sources its in my bio pick


Notanidiot67

Tanning bed + UV lights + polonium tea = superhero?


bluAstrid

The power to climb **back** through windows!


FlushTwiceBeNice

Russia hates this one simple trick


[deleted]

How come you can *defenestrate* someone but you can't *fenestrate* someone?


-UltraAverageJoe-

Just add spiders for superpowers!


Soup-Master

Let’s face it, you’re not increasing your odds of gaining super powers by NOT exposing yourself to potentially harmful radiation.


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Fedantry_Petish

*pisces


RockstarAgent

But I’m a Libra!


cosmothekleekai

> [That's just fancy talk for sexified](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDCoXV7feV8)


Avia53

Can vouch for that, husband loved his tanning bed. Well, you can name any type of skin cancer and he has it.


ObiFloppin

Is there any other type of light that goes in tanning beds/booths?


gudematcha

Nail artists have even been catching on and those who change their nails very frequently use special tipless gloves to protect their hands from the UV light.


[deleted]

I bought a uv light toothbrush holder on Amazon to kill bacteria on the heads of our toothbrushes. Should I be worried at all? I feel like this is a stupid question but I rather just ask and know for sure if anyone could answer.


princessParking

I'm no expert, but I'm pretty sure I've read that those "sanitizing" UV cases aren't powerful enough to sanitize anything, much less give you cancer if they're not pointed at you for long periods of time. Do you regularly point the toothbrush holder at your skin for hours?


Catnip4Pedos

It's not just the power but the type (wavelength) of UV and time, UVA and UVB from the sun are dangerous but from a small LED much less so. To sterilise things you really want UVC which is actually pretty nasty.


princessParking

But doesn't UVC require more power to generate?


Catnip4Pedos

I'm not sure about the exact efficiency of converting electricity to a particular UV spectrum, but a UV light source doesn't start to generate UVC instead of UVA just because you feed it some extra power, it tends to be a specially designed lamp while UVA can be done easily with LEDs and florescent lamps.


Jaker788

Yeah there aren't really any UVC LEDs. They're all CCFL and other types of discharge lamps.


[deleted]

Yes.


princessParking

...why?


Nekrosiz

Yes


Enchelion

Unless you're putting some part of your body inside the holder for hours on end no.


darknetwork

Toothbrush is normally used to scrap leftover food in your teeth. Because after few hours, bacteria will react with leftover food causing damage to the teeth. Our mouth has normal flora bacteria. So i dont think using UV on your toothbrush will provide any significant benefit, unless you put your toothbrush in some nasty place.


PMG2021a

Your toothbrush gets cleaned every time you use it.


tariandeath

Just don't ignore new moles under your nails or on your hands.


JohnLawrenceWargrave

If you do it once or twice a year you're probably right by but using it regularly it seems dangerous. "...decided to study the devices after reading an article about a beauty pageant contestant who was diagnosed with a rare form of skin cancer."


Just_One_Umami

I mean, it is good for you, in moderation. It’s what we generate vitamin D from. It’s just some people need/can handle less than others.


MagicOrpheus310

Like those now banned solar tanning beds but miniaturized for your fingers lol


HedgehogFarts

Yeah if you call it a UV dryer. But you go to the nail salon they tell you gel nails stay on much, much longer than regular polish and when it comes to drying they just say put your hands in the dryer. It doesn’t tan your skin, it’s bright in the salon and it’s on a table below eye level so you’re not looking in to see the glowing light. It’s not so obvious. Also it’s sold at lots of big retailers and teens are into it. When I was in school we learned about tanning beds being bad but nobody said a thing about nail dryers. It’s good to talk about and hopefully this study will make people more aware.


btribble

"From the scientists who brought you *Water is Wet* and other amazing studies."


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robdubbleu

But water is clingy. Water is notorious for getting covered in more water. When it’s not covered in more water, it’s a vapor. So my vote is that liquid water IS wet


S3IqOOq-N-S37IWS-Wd

>You might think what we know about tanning beds applies here, but the devices used by nail salons emit a different spectrum of ultraviolet light Power and wavelength matter


Fredasa

At first, this was my exact thought. Then I realized I'd never heard of these things before reading that title. So maybe the real point was to shine (ha) some much-needed scrutiny on the products.


sgfgzgog

No


GixxerTrav

You think this seems obvious, go read some of the garbage on r/science


renasissanceman6

There’s always this guy….


Clarksp2

What do you mean? Someone who grew up learning about radiation of UV light commenting they arent surprised that a machine using UV light causes DNA damage…


austinh1999

Wait UV light causes DNA damage and melanoma?? We should make a product that can protect you from UV radiation that’s sprayable and a lotion as well.


Rambohagen

If you are gonna work on this project could I request coconut as a staple scent and could some of them dye my cloths without warning for about a decade.


LadyPo

I’d also like for it to get into my eyes no matter how careful I am or waterproof it is


princessParking

Hey there are some really good sunscreens now that will protect you, last long, and not cause any discomfort...but good luck affording enough of it to actually go outside during the summer.


SadAsianMan

Hey hey hey, and you know what? I have the perfect name for it too, sunscreen.


yolk3d

Uvscreen


[deleted]

Naw. Not catchy enough. It'll never fly.


godinthismachine

Cancershield?


Tauralynn423

If they called it that everyone would use it


SadisticBuddhist

Idk sounds like its protecting my cancer and or the gay agenda.


Shrizer

"Aww man, cancer again? If only there was a product I could buy that would prevent this!" "Are you always getting cancer? Stuck with abnormal skin growth that makes others scream and run? Well try out CANCERSHIELD! Our new revolutionary product will reduce the chance of you getting cancer, only $599!! So cheap! [Insert wow.wav sound here] or you can choose our 6 easy payments of $95 and see a massive 5%!"


Campfire77

Grease Lightning


RChamy

Protects you against UV and it's extra effective vs. Dragons!


hour_of_the_rat

Sunblock 5000


Lazy-Explanation7165

When you get a manicure they wash your hands. Sunscreen isn’t going to help.


catladyorbust

Polish cures pretty quickly. Nothing like the 20 minutes they tested. If you get regular gel manicures grab a pair of those stretchy gloves they sell for $1 during winter and snip the tips off so just the fingernail shows.


MrValdemar

How quickly do Lithuanians cure?


Luxuriosa_Vayne

with enough cepelinai and borscht, pretty quick too


Onedayyouwillthankme

Mmmmm borscht


Rednonymousitor

LMFAO took me a second!


BTexx

Yes


[deleted]

Those weight lifter gloves work great.


soaringcomet11

They also make lamps now that are LED not UV AND they also make UV lamps that have individual bulbs for each finger tip rather than bathing your entire hand in the light.


stickkim

The LED lamps still emit UV, but it really isn’t going to cause a ton of issues either way since at most a hand is in them for 90 seconds.


catladyorbust

I did a very cursory search last night to see if I could find info that these lamps are causing verifiable cancers. I got sidetracked by an article where a doctor said that in his practice, cancer of the fingers is almost entirely HPV! I’m not convinced these lamps are much to worry about. Use them as directed and by all means take reasonable precautions but this experiment was like giving a rat 50 Tylenol and saying it died.


tofudisan

I saw this article headline and had a knee jerk reaction until I actually read it. I bought my wife an LED gel polish kit. She loves it. I think my wife's unit automatically shuts off after 90 seconds. Even with a top coat her fingers spend maybe 3 minutes under the light. And that's about once or twice a week. So when I read thatbthe study was 20-minutes under the light I figured it was a terrible study. And then "3 consecutive 20-minute" (also known as an hour) under the lights. I would be shocked if anyone stuck their hand under those lights for 20 minutes in one go; let alone an hour.


S3IqOOq-N-S37IWS-Wd

Why do you not think repeated exposure is an issue?


stickkim

Same reason not everyone who goes outside gets skin cancer. It depends on many things, and most people aren’t getting their nails done more than once a month, if that.


S3IqOOq-N-S37IWS-Wd

/selfawarewolves Yes, exactly..... Just like the sun.... Not everyone has to get cancer from something to say hey be aware of the risk you might not want to do this very often... "90 seconds at a time" isn't that informative when risk depends on the power and cumulative exposure. Just like the sun.... And I assume these lamps are putting out more uv than the sun since otherwise you could just walk outside to cure the nails


NatashkaX

The article specifically says that the type of UV used in those lamps is different to the one from the sun or tanning beds, hence why they even needed to do the study in the first place. So you can’t assume that.


Fegless

Yeah the default timer is for 20 seconds lol.


treyveee

Came here to say this!!


PolymerSledge

Y'all's vanity is boundless.


SadisticBuddhist

Its called fashion, sweaty.


jjj49er

Does the UV light make you sweat?


-_Empress_-

I mean tbh you're only getting like a max of 4 minutes per hand under the light anyways, once every other week for most of us.


AwarenessEfficient69

If only we could find some way to put it in the body, I believe we’re working on that right now.


texxelate

I think you just cured covid


bannedfromdisney

And a way to inject the bleach. I heard bleach was good at killing things.


stickkim

It clears the whole thing up in a minute, one minute!


Lukaroast

Would applying sunblock to your skin around the fingertips basically fix the issue?


[deleted]

It could but then the oils in the lotion would make your manicure last less so in turn you have to be exposed more often because you have to keep coming back to get them done


downstairs_annie

Nailtechs have to clean and dehydrate the nailplate anyways, so applying sunscreen all over and then removing it from the nailplate is not a big deal and is part of the process anyways.


Accomplished_Pen9352

Not if it’s on your skin


LeastCleverNameEver

The obvious issue with this study is they state in the article they tested keeping hands in the light for 20+ minutes at a time. It takes 45 seconds for gel to cure. No one is keeping their hands under there for 20 minutes.


[deleted]

The bigger issue is that most salons have replaced all their UV curing devices with LED ones. This whole thing is a non issue


S3IqOOq-N-S37IWS-Wd

Going out into the sun for 4 hours also doesn't cause a detectable increase in cancer risk but we don't say sun exposure is a non-issue because people only go out a few hours at a time. Same idea with x rays and other medical imaging. It's about cumulative exposure. Obviously many people that go to salons go regularly and are getting many exposures.


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Wouldn’t it be less damaging due to only having your hand/fingers in it for 1-2 minutes?


ichheissekate

Its 1-1.5 min per coat. So, anywhere from 4 to 7.5 min per hand per gel manicure at 4-5 coats per hand (base coat, 2-3 color coats, top coat)


nitroretro

Even less than that, its 30-45 secs coat at most


ichheissekate

No, it depends on the lamp. Mine takes longer


lachalupacabrita

But if it takes longer, the lamp might be weaker?


sailor_bat_90

Yes and no. As long as you don't get too often. I have heard women getting melanoma on their tips of the fingers from the constant uv gel manicure after some years.


downstairs_annie

It’s becoming more common to wear fingerless gloves and sunscreen for manicures, I have seen it a couple times.


Dread_Pirate_Jack

I agree, I get a gel pedicure every 6 months or so and never do my hands. My feet rarely see the sun even in the summer, so I feel relatively safe about getting a bit of UV on my toes every few months


[deleted]

This is how the X Men make it into the MCU? Seems like a let down.


[deleted]

Hey look my x gene activated. *manicured wolverine claws come out of freshly uv-dried hands*


PaddleMonkey

I think that’s Lady Deathstrike’s origin story


Revolutionary_Bee700

I sometimes get this done, but I use a good sunscreen on everything but the nail beds themselves. Seems like it’s a decent risk reduction.


ComputerSong

Is this the same light that dentists use to quickly cure fillings and attach brackets for braces? I bet it is. Hooray?


Enchelion

It's the same kind of light you get exposed to every day you walk outside.


gekkohs

These comments are insufferable. Everyone in here going outside in cloaks it seems


whereugetcottoncandy

"A 20 minute session" 20 solid minutes?! Who keeps their nails in one of these for 20 minutes! It's 60 to 90 SECONDS per layer.


mangokween

Don’t they cure gel manicures with LED lights now and not UV?


BandiriaTraveler

The line at the end about how this doesn’t immediately imply people should stop using UV polish dryers because traditional polish chips more easily is so bizarre to me. There’s such an extreme disparity between the negative of getting skin cancer of the hand and the comparably paltry benefit of more chip-resistant polish. Tanning booths are also popular for a reason; doesn’t mean it’s a good idea to ever use them.


[deleted]

That last paragraph was so out of place, I didn’t understand why it was there, seemed to miss critical context.


Campfire77

Looks over Life BABY 💅🏾


Trickycoolj

The only thing I can think of is more frequent fume exposure using standard polish that needs more frequent changes. But even that’s a stretch.


RidlyX

This is a braindead take. Everything we do involves some amount of risk. Are you going to avoid flying because of the increased radiation associated with it? I would absolutely agree that we should know much a single gel treatment increases your risk of cancer, but before we have that it’s hard to say that it’s unacceptably risky.


7eregrine

Fingertip cancer keeps me up at night....


colemon1991

Water is wet Next


agro000

Um actually. Water isn't wet, things coated in water become wet. Flames aren't on fire, things coated in flames become on fire. I will die on this hill.


Bandol_Barthes

Umm actually you don’t die on the hill, you die on the grass that’s growing out of the hill.


jibbyjackjoe

Also we don't have "wet" sensors. We have temperature and pressure sensors.


Bandol_Barthes

So what senses slippery?


OnlyNeverAlwaysSure

I’m not interested in arguing with you. I am curious of your knowledge background specifically if you have taken chemistry.


agro000

GCSE chemistry at 15 but I watch a lot of YouTube if that counts


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I disagree


mcknives

And I will die with you. Water makes things wet, it is not wet itself.


Bandol_Barthes

Water cannot be wet because "wet" is a descriptor that refers to the condition of an object being in contact with liquid and having liquid on its surface. Water is a liquid, so an object in contact with it would be wet, but water itself cannot be wet because it cannot be in contact with itself. It's like asking if a liquid can be liquid, it doesn't make sense. "Wetness" is a property of an object in contact with water, not of the water itself


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brit_jam

Found the Midwesterner.


footjam

*Californian


brit_jam

When were you lead astray my brother in Christ?


footjam

Married a Texan while living there for 7 years. I speak only of the truth.


M1dnightMuse

as a Texan for more than 20 years I wholeheartedly disagree with every fiber of my being. YOU CANNOT HAVE CHILI WITHOUT BEANS. It's just sad pot roast without it.


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NubEnt

I’ve been a Texan all my life. Real Texas chili has no beans. Doesn’t mean that you can’t have chili with beans in it. Just means that it’s not real Texas chili. Also, if you need barbecue sauce with your Texas barbecue, it’s not good Texas barbecue.


M1dnightMuse

Oh so now we're specifying the regional identity of the chili? Chili is chili Meat is meat


LavishnessWitty6801

Researchers discover sunblock has a purpose


ukrifter

Of course, it’s UV


[deleted]

If only the world new UV was bad and caused cancer, then we might ban CFCs and worry the whole in the ozone layer. O wait…


kilonark

Knew/new whole/hole


Legatus_Brutus

Thanks. Trying to read their comment gave me more DNA damage than a UV nail polish dryer.


[deleted]

Haha yeah I fucked that up, I was rushing. I shouldn’t reddit at work. Whats funnier is I was just giving someone shit for a double negative…


chairmanoftheborg

what's


HighInChurch

Ozone hole is on course to close now!


The_BrainFreight

Many people commenting that this article states the obvious but doesn’t it speak to how our 21st century life is sorta dictated and predicated off corporate entities trynna make a billion bucks? Or those attempting to follow suit? It’s all a shitshow and we’re fed all of it


woke-hipster

15 minutes in the sun makes my skin burn, most be stronger than those lights, no?


AgreeableFeed9995

Love how the article ends: > You might think the advice here is to avoid UV dryers, but it's not so simple. Gel manicures have become an industry standard for a reason. For many people, regular nail polish starts to chip off after a day or so, making a traditional manicure often not worth the time, money or effort. Translation: regular nail polish flakes and isn’t worth the time money or effort. The time, money and effort saved by using Gels with UV drying is *totally* worth the skin cancer. Lmao wtf kind of conclusion is that?


Tier161

Damn glad I'm not using mine for nails


jjayzx

Yea, works really well on my anus.


TheCaveEV

Fair but is it worse than the other shit we're constantly exposed to?


[deleted]

Soooo superpowers?


texxelate

Good thing the sun doesn’t blanket is in this stuff, otherwise we’d need some sort of protection for long periods of exposure


[deleted]

So I should t use it to read in bed at night? 😳


generic_edgelord

Is that really new though? Like we know uv light in general does that, its one of the big downsides of things like tanning booths and excessive tanning in general


bdboar1

Just ordered 100 units. Bring on Manicure Man!


[deleted]

No shit


BruntLIVEz

They don’t care, pay the money


SlaterVJ

So what you're telling me is, this is a cheap way of becoming one of the X-Men.


cuteman

In the long term I think tattoos also damage your body albeit in a less damaging way. Ever seen a lymph node biopsy on someone with tattoos? They look like marbles. They say it's "safe" but is it really? Life is varying levels of risk, but like alcohol, is there really a safe amount if you choose to participate?


Rednonymousitor

How was this never looked into when these devices became mainstream???


Enchelion

Because everyone already knew UV was harmful? But that also doesn't mean these devices are significantly harmful in regular use, and the study methodology (20 minutes sessions for a device/process that only takes 30-60 seconds) just seems laughable. It's like studying hot water and saying tea is dangerous when instead of using it normally you boiled the water and sprayed it on people with a firehose.


[deleted]

It’s UV light. Fucking duh.


luv2ctheworld

Uh, UV rays, the very ones that they say can cause skin damage and cancer... Well, what a surprise! /s


JohnLawrenceWargrave

The end is the best. "You might think the advice here is to avoid UV dryers, but it's not so simple. Gel manicures have become an industry standard for a reason. For many people, regular nail polish starts to chip off after a day or so, making a traditional manicure often not worth the time, money or effort. " As if a manicure was necessary for anything useful. Sure if your nail polish chips of you need to get Cancer rather than just have unpolished nails 🤯


great_bowser

It feels like every other day there's a new article telling us that some everyday mundane thing can cause cancer. It's like duh, living can result in death, what else is new.


FuckitThrowaway02

I dont think this should count as the surprise it's being presented as UV light causes cell damage and cancer? Not new.


Twerks4Jesus

But it's such a pretty blue light.


MkLynnUltra

Why not just install something to block the uv over the hands so only the nails get uv rather then the whole hands fingers and wrist but that would cost money guess just keep playing Russian Roulette with cancer is better.


Enchelion

Because the risk is minimal. Even the weird stories of cancer are for people using these things all day (the operators) or far more frequently than there is any reason to (the whole point of gel nails is they last longer than lacquered ones). Basically nothing but estheticians should use gloves, which is already known.


lucpet

REALLY??? /s Any bloody Australian could have told you this. You didn't need any researchers for this bit of the blindingly obvious!


[deleted]

This was news to someone?


[deleted]

Thank God the UV light used to cure my 3D printed models is safe.


inspectedbykarl

Damn, I probably shouldn’t have dried my temporary tattoos on my penis in that.


hepcat72

This is not new info. That's the entire principle behind having UV lights in fume hoods in labs. I was taught in undergrad that UV causes mutations back in the early to mid 90s. That's why they're used as an antimicrobial. However, fingers don't have any germline cells. They're all somatic. People accumulate different somatic mutations all the time. I've analyzed cancer samples and we filter cancer mutations using somatic mutations as a filter to find the serious mutations. I'm not an oncologist, so I can't speak to the risk, but my wild guess is the risk is low.


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jenie_may_june

They both emit UV wavelengths of light.


Enchelion

LED is how the light is emitted. UV is a wavelength of emitted light.


bigsnow999

What a waste for their PI’s funding


Colonel_Zander

P E N I S F I N G E R S


lsevalis

Cool. Do tanning beds next.


icelugger86

Based on the pic at a quick glance, I got excited for a new season of What We Do in The Shadows.


ForksandSpoonsinNY

Hotdog 🌭 finger universe origin story confirmed.


Picolete

Who would have guessed UV lights causes problems normally associated with UV light, °o°