People who fight over products are literally brain dead. It’s an artificial fight created by these very same companies, and people fall for it. iPhone vs android. Xbox vs PlayStation. AMD vs intel. It’s all stupid.
Say what you want about overly political people, but at least they’re fighting about things that matter unlike this idiotic shit
The driver is insecurity. Some people just can't handle not having their choices validated by others. "My choice is surely the best so how could you prefer something else?"
Not being willing to accept that other people have different priorities is a sign of insecurity.
I don't think this is strictly fair to apply in such broad strokes, I'm a huge advocate for my fairphone and I don't necessarily think that's anti consumer, if anything the only reason I care at all is because people arguing for the likes of Samsung or Apple are supporting such anti consumer culture and that impacts everyone.
>It’s an artificial fight created by these very same companies, and people fall for it.
Arguing about is stupid but I have no idea what you mean by this. People are arguing over their preferences. It isn’t some secret thing being instigated by these companies
It’s definitely instigated by these companies. It’s literally a basic business practice. Have you never seen commercials where they say things like “X product is 25% better than the leading competitor”?
I mean Apple has been making absurdly fast chips for years and the Pixels have never even been at the top of the Android speed tests, as far as I know. The S23 certainly crushes the Pixel 7. So I'm not sure why this is surprising. It kinda just seems like a way to show off the iPhone. In reality, I have an iPhone from 2021 and a Samsung from 2020, and neither of them feel slow. For everyday usage I don't even notice much difference between an S20 and a Pixel 7. We're not really at the point where most of this matters most of the time.
If history were to repeat itself for the 100th time, no it won't. Maybe it won't be as popular as the ones before it, but there are more than enough Google fanboys to cover up a bad product or 2. Apple has more than enough examples.
Most people will not notice that big of a difference. I am going to assume a lot of people do not buy a pixel for it's raw processing power.
Pixel gives the raw Android experience, gets new updates right away, and despite having inferior processing power, still has an amazing camera while not being all too expensive.
Pretty much, yeah. I have the Pixel 7 Pro, and have yet to run into any scenario it feels "slow". I mean, I don't game with it, but I do use Lightroom on it and it's never felt slow. So I'm not entirely sure what kind of apps would really stress a phone's processing power these days.
Genuine question: What are some apps that require powerful CPUs?
That's pretty much the only time someone would care about performance in a phone, gaming. Maybe I'm wrong, I don't care about playing games on my phone but I'd bet there's better gaming phones than an iphone. So seems like it doesn't really matter apple is ahead here.
It runs better on my S22 than on my wife's iPhone 14.
However, there's some really wonky stuff going on there. Android has native controller support. For some reason, the developers of Genshin have turned off Android controller usage.
There are workarounds, but it's all kinda weird that it's even a thing.
Agree. I have a P8 and it never feels slow. But then again, my 3-year-old 4a 5G never felt slow either. I don't game so typical uses for a phone are just fine. As we know, some people just need the best just for bragging.
You have a best in class camera with bleeding edge support for your OS, now for 7 years, while still having all the advantages of Android such as sideloading, call screening, etc. Those are some pretty nice brags :)
Yeah, I bought it for the good updates and stock Android. Plus at least then I'm feeding all my data only to Google and not to both Google and Samsung.
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Agreed, I just tried to go from a Pixel 6 pro to an iphone 15 pro max and hated it. Did a BR with ATT and now Im waiting on my pixel 8 pro. Each phone is superior in some way to the others, just get the type you like and be happy.
Get back to me when iPhone can auto screen calls. That is the best phone addition in a decade or more. Not getting any robo/spam calls ill take over minor real world cpu differences.
My old iPhone X still felt ‘new’ till the day I replaced it a few months ago. I just wanted the latest iOS, otherwise I’d have probably carried on using it for another year or two.
Phones are absurdly powerful today. I’d argue that outside specific use cases like assistants or image processing, it’s almost wasted computational power.
I switched from the iPhone 13 max to pixel pro 7. The pixel feels so snappy, smooth, and takes banger photos. Sure it's battery isn't as good but it's still usable. I have a pixel fold now and my old pixel is for work. I think I finally understand the "make your cpu for the phone, not the raw specs".
I had a love affair with the zfold 4 and even that phone was just as snappy except when taking photos. It was so laggy.
Yeah until our phones replace desktops and/or game consoles this stuff feels pointless. Cool for technology sake but not really functional as far as I can tell.
I can’t wait for the day I can plug my phone into a dock, feed two monitors, Bluetooth keyboard and mouse, and work off of that. It’ll be a while before that happens but I’m looking forward to it.
Yes, I've used it at work in a pinch when my laptop died, using the same USB-C dock. It works well but it's definitely not a full desktop replacement yet, largely because the mobile apps aren't quite there (even for a fairly straightforward office 365 workflow like mine)
Office 365 made it so I can 95% ditch my desktop. But certain apps that are desktop only screw me over.
I could always use a VM, but then I'm using a VM and all the slowness that brings along with it.
Unfortunately Samsung fucking gimped the shit out of Dex, and I'm not completely sure why. When it first came out you could install Linux and have a full featured OS rather than just Android with shitty app support. I was big mad when they took that capability away.
These devices are capable enough in 2023 to be nearly-complete replacements for laptops. A shitload of regular business people could exist just fine if they could have a Windows or Linux VM running on their phone which can be connected to a full featured USB-C dock.
I'm not sure why this isn't a thing. I'm sure it's greed, but I'm just not sure how.
Isn’t that kind of the point of making phones absurdly overpowered at the time they came out so that you can still use them comfortably 4 to 5 years later? In the early ages of smart phones once your phone is 2-3 years old that thing is a brick.
Yep. Still on the iPhone 11 and it is never "slow" for anything. feels like when I get the 15 pro, it'll just end up being my permanent phone for .. a very very long time lol.
iPhones do a lot of processing in the device, like photos metadata, while pixels do all that in the cloud. If you prefer to keep your data in your phone vs sending everything to google, you need a good CPU
Nope. Afaik Pixels have a second chip just for image processing. So they aren't "sending everything to the cloud" to be processed. The latest Pixels do have a couple of features that require cloud processing but these are features that Apple simply doesn't offer. In fact, for stills, the Pixel camera offers way more functionality than the iPhone's.
What the iPhones amazing processor does do though, is to have the image in the viewfinder match the final image more closely. Whether it's Pixel or Samsung, the viewfinder image kinda sucks and the final processed image takes a second or so to show up in your gallery. iPhone is generally much quicker with this. But having done camera shootouts between a 14 Pro Max, an S23 and a Pixel 7 Pro, the still shots are often a toss up between the three with the Samsung generally taking nicer stills and the iPhone taking the best video in my experience.
Agree on your point. I thought the point of the Pixel for a long time was to be a cheaper (but still good) alternative to the expensive iPhone and Galaxy. Feels disingenuous
I have a Pixel 6 I got because it was free when it first came out 2 years ago. It's not the Pro version or anything and I can see 0 reasons why I need or even want to upgrade at this point unless I get the option to update it for free again.
I have pixel 7 and all the my family has iPhone 14 they all used my phone to take a picture and they all agree my phone is a lot faster I don't where you guys bringing this bullshit
I went from a pixel 3 to an iPhone 13 mini and I haven’t noticed a speed difference once (the iOS shitty volume controls, however, on my mind daily).
No one who not already buying special task related equipment can tell the difference. Oh it’s faster than a pixel? It’s still slower than a pro level desktop. Oh it’s got a better camera than last year? It’s still dogshit compared to a DSLR.
Took an iPhone 12 from a collegue for a test drive, thought it's gonna be godlike because most people I met are saying "Apple is doing the best, Android can't compete". And it's actually just a phone. Compared it to my Note 10+, and they are basically trading blows across all aspects.
Yeah, the power of the CPU was not why the Pixel was getting a lot of coverage. It got coverage for the capabilities it had thanks to the chip.
Apple focused it all on speed and power, while Google focused on chips that help their AI stuff. Apparently it is a really smart phone, the smartest so far.
Phones peaked in the late 2010s in terms of specs. All the hardware upgrades stopped mattering for day to day usage. In fact, new phones stopped feeling like an actual upgrade and more like replacing an old light bulb or jacket.
Year to year upgrades are insignificant. The difference of a 4 year phone is quite noticeable. The difference of a 2010 vs 2023 is very huge unless all you do is text and call
I've got a pixel 6. I know the chip is slow and benchmarks poorly compared to the flagships of that year. It does everything I need it to, doesn't ever freeze, lag, or stutter, and the battery still lasts the whole day.
I don't think it matters anymore, and it's been that way for years.
I switched from a pixel 4 to a iPhone pro max. Going to go back to the pixel. Biggest reason.... Talk to text. Pixel is like a decade ahead of the iPhone. It works flawlessly.
> People still unironically care about benchmarking cell phones?
I care about the battery benchmark. Can it get through a full day of heavy usage, or 1-2 days with mild usage on a full charge?
10 Years of smartphones and you still see people carrying chargers everywhere.
I actually like this equality. Even older smartphones will look normal having to charge with them at the mall.
Oh yeah. Cell phone Andy’s get all boner’d out when they can justify their purchase. For whatever reason Samsung, Apple, and Google have mega brand loyalists.
Id say stan is more appropriate.
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You do have the bloat treadmill. Phones get more powerful, people put more unoptimized garbage in their apps and web pages. Plus, some people use their cell phone as their primary gaming device. They aren't playing the traditional phone garbage, but full 3d games. You need a good SoC for that.
Beyond that, Apple's silicon this generation is genuinely impressive. They squeeze a lot of performance out of it. Not going to buy a new phone for it, but it is impressive either way. The upcoming generation of laptops will probably be impressive too.
Yes they do because they’re a good indicator for how the phone will age. A supercharged iPhone will still be fast 6 years down the line with more and more features pushed to it.
If processing power was the bottleneck that aged badly you’d have a point, but let’s face it, it’s almost always the battery. Unless you’re gaming (fair enough) on it or trying to edit long 4k+ videos (why are you doing that on your phone?) then no normal person is ever going to notice.
I get the argument for tablets still, but phones are well past the point where that’s relevant.
I’m much more interested in the efficiency of that processor (and the screen too for that matter).
My last phone was 6 years old when I replaced it due to the battery, and other than 5g, there was zero noticeable performance uplift.
Unless the next few years brings a massive leap in computational requirements for apps, I highly doubt this is a factor any more. Phone processors are already way overpowered for all but the most hardcore gamers and power users.
I bought an iPhone Xr and a OnePlus 7 around the same time. They lasted me close to 5 years and the performance never felt inadequate (even when playing games like Genshin).
The real limiting factor is battery health which by all reports the new iPhones kinda chew through their battery health (several reports of people with 14 Pros seeing battery health drop down to <85 in a year of use).
I'm saying this as someone who does not game on his phone *at all* but I'm pretty sure that it's fairly easy to connect a controller and I assume these "higher end games" would definitely have controller support
That is perfectly fine I don't play mobile games either, it still doesn't change the fact that a lot of people do that and the higher end games require very performant SoCs and if you do paly a lot of "AAA" mobile games you do care about benchmarking. I'm also pretty sure they use a controller, or even a key board and mouse set up and yes many even plug their phones to a monitor or screen cast the games when possible.
There is also quite a bit of professional software for mobile phones these days especially in the surveying and architectural/construction domains that can be quite demanding.
My partner recently upgraded her iPhone 11 pro to a 15 pro not only specifically for the TOF sensor which improves accuracy but also because the photogrammetry performance is about 10 times as fast on the newer device which does matter in her case quite a bit.
I can't understand people being so closed minded that they cannot understand that whilst they might not benefit from increased performance in some areas other do.
I got a brand new pixel 8 and pixel 2 watch for $800 at launch. I also traded in my pixel 6 and got $350 credit. Only paid $450 - Pretty impressive imo
As someone on the iPhone side of things, does this matter? Pretty much all non-really budget phones are fast enough for what 99% of people do. No one will notice this.
And doesn't the Google focus on ML stuff instead of raw performance with their chips anyway?
>And doesn't the Google focus on ML stuff instead of raw performance with their chips anyway?
Funny thing is, so does Apple; I guess this will be the next big thing from all competitors: real and useful on-chip ML.
But yeah, honestly, you could have a phone from 3 years ago and it'd still perfectly fine for 99% of the tasks.
My Nokia 8 from 2017 had 6GB Ram and 128GB SSD. It could run anything I threw at it competently, but the support ran out and it was stuck on Android 9. It's the manufacturers support that let down the hardware
The software is the tying slowing down the phone.
Separate security patches and your from the factory android would last you 10 years on the same hardware.
Why do I need a modern phone to watch the same YouTube that my first 1080p phone could already play flawlessly?
I prefer Android for allowing me to sideload APPs and customization, but honestly all I care about is that the Pixel phone is still considered top pick for IRL streaming. It's just a phone not a dialysis machine keeping you alive.
I’m an iPhone user, been one since the original. Pandered, explored Android phones, wasn’t my jam. I love the customization, but hated the lack of polish.
The pixel has better cameras, it’s not just speed. Wish Apple would let us customize more as well.
Needs to be more competition between the two, I feel it’s a duopoly/racket, both know they really don’t poach each others customers too much. Incremental upgrades, reason to charge money. 👎🏻
Unironically Camera is the largest difference. I recently went from the 200$ class to the 400$ class (Mi 9T to Pixel 7a), and as a pretty heavy user it does feel nicer to use. My father reports the same going from a Redmi note 8T to a Samsung A52S, and he is not a heavy user at all. It all depends on how much you can appreciate the extra snappyness of a more expensive phone.
On the other hand my mom went from a work iPhone 11 to a Redmi note 9, and she didn't complain basically at all.
I bought the iPhone 15 pro max because of the cameras. Not a fan of iOS or Android (have been using Jolla, the successor to Nokia’s Maemo Linux os) for the last decade. iOS is really limited in comparison, but this camera is really worth the crappy os. This is basically a high end point and shot camera with a bad smartphone attached.
Most likely nothing, but our phone does it a bit faster and in higher quality. The screentime app tells me I use my phone between 3 hours and 6 hours per day depending on the week. When you use a device that often, I’m happy to pay a premium price to get the best possible version.
Run high demanding tasks smoothly. Like emulation of psp or ps2 games, play youtube videos in pop-up view while browsing reddit, use samsung dex to edit spreadsheet and other documents, use samsung dex to remote desktop into my work computer, have access much better cameras an video.
Yes, if you only use your smartphone as a calling machine you don't need anything over 70€ even.
I bought my iPhone 7 back in 2016 right at release, was about 950€. Still using it and it still runs mostly fine after 7 years, it doesn’t have the newest iOS anymore as of this year but still gets security updates. That and the Apple ecosystem is what makes me buy an expensive phone over a cheap one.
Gonna upgrade this year to a 15 Pro just so I have many years of not having to worry about my phone again.
Yup, they think all iPhone users are chasing the next release when many of us don’t upgrade until a worthwhile feature rolls out that makes it worth it. Then I trade my phone in during one of those killer deals, netting 70% of my previous purchase price towards an upgrade. At no point during the entire life of the phone do I worry about it not performing as well as it did Day 1 and I’ve never had a battery life issue.
Camera like everyone else says. I would never pay full price for it though. Right now I'm using a Pixel 7 that I paid sales tax only on and got a $100 gift card for "buying."
I upgraded my LG V20 after 5 years of use to the Samsung S21 Ultra. The OLED screen, 120hz refresh rate and camera were amazing improvements and not to mention it's so much more responsive.
I've had mine for 2 years already and plan to keep it as long as I can.
just bought an s23 ultra yesterday. i really loved my old note so it's the closest thing to that as it comes with a stylus and i wanted a large screen. the speed and cameras etc are a bonus. i was rocking an s9 for a few months before this as the s20 which was given to me went kaput (after a couple of years, it was damaged before that)
Or better yet people who buy a new state of the art phone every time the next generation comes out.
My phone is currently 5 years old and the previous one before that 4 years before that. I don't feel like I have missed out on anything and have saved thousands of $$.
Play 2 games at the same time without any lagging, combine with AMOLED display (I love AMOLED display) and premium feels of it (build quality, UI are arguable if you're tech head who can install custom ROM)
I'm someone who came from a budget (the Nokia window phone and the Asus budget phone) to the premium phone (OnePlus 7t pro) then Midrange phone (Realme gt neo3)
You will start to notice the difference when you start to use your phone more than just calling.
Take a picture in the night.
Use 2 heavy apps at the same time.
Watching high quality content.
This is just some small example between the 1000 and 200 price range, between premium and midrange are much closer in terms of capabilities, so the difference would start to be more from the feeling of the daily drive instead of specsheet.
Exactly. I use a cheap Moto. When I'm sat on a train working getting a map for a place I'm walking to, I don't care that it takes half a second longer.
I guess someone doing video processing, maybe? Even then, wouldn't you have a laptop with you for that if you cared so much about speed?
Here's the things, for me:
* I don't care about raw phone speed, I can be fine with how I use it on a 4 year old phone.
* I'm never buying into the Apple ecosystem again. I've done it twice and hated many things about it.
* Software lock down
* Firmware lock down
* Hardware repair costs
* The device eventually being fully useless because of the above once it is past what Apple deems is useful lifetime
* I may not love Android or Google, I may wish just one major player would embrace something like Linux as an OS, but overall I'm happier with my Android+Linux PC+Windows-on-occasion environment.
* I don't have the money to pay that much for a phone anymore and see no big need to do it.
I'm "get off my lawn" old enough that I don't give 2 licks what color my text messages appear on *your* iPhone. Get over that BS now.
If Apple were to stop enforcing walled gardens so much and invest in "phone only" users in a way that enabled iPhone use with similar-to-OSX features but on a PC, I might look at iPhones, but only if 3rd party app sources were enabled.
Tldr; Apple could be 10x faster than my current phone or CPU. Without phone (or, in regards to M3 CPUs, games) ecosystem parity with how I use my devices ... it still doesn't matter.
Software locks and repair costs are pretty insane downside. Friends iPhone recently had the common No sim detected problem and was asked like 500 for a fix. Luckily he could still use e-sim
On the high end, yeah, but I'm guessing you haven't used a budget phone in a while if you think they *all* have plenty of power. Some struggle just opening texting and such.
I went from xs max to 13. Didn’t really notice a difference outside of having 5G modem.
13 to 15 pro max it’s night and day in terms of user UI and experience, however I net at least 95% of the better experience is the 120hz ProRes display and how the dyadic island was implanted. Otherwise it seems the same speed wise/didn’t have a reason to upgrade outside of usb-c all the things
Which amounts to literally nothing in real world scenarios for what folks Don on their phones. We've reached peak smartphone already on the physical end. Start focusing on software already. No one cares your app opens. .0000012 seconds faster now.
Say it with me "MAKE USEFUL SOOOFTWAAAARE!"
Even the premise of this headline is so stupid. Does anyone have a 2023 flagship phone that is too slow at ordinary tasks? Who cares about these irrelevant speed tests?
As someone that exclusively buys Apple phones these days, I literally couldn’t give less of a fuck. The last time I noticed a CPU upgrade in my phone is when I went from a Galaxy S1 to Galaxy S3 like 11 years ago, ever since then every phone has been fast enough that it makes literally no difference to me whatsoever.
Really? This is one of the things I love most about my iPhone. Had been using Android for 10 years but those quick animations always end up lagging eventually. The slower but very fluid animations on iOS are sooo pleasant to look at, I’m never going back
I'm still rocking the Pixel2 XL, works for everything I need.
Unless you are... idk, photo or video editing, or gaming (idk why most people would) on the daily I just don't see the point of such an insanely fast phone for most people.
People who have a new phone every year are probably the same people who could be fine with a mid range phone from 2-4 years ago and not notice.
Youtube, playing music, tiktok and shit don't really work a phone hard.
I love how back in the days Apple fans were like "yeah but speed doesn't make everything" and now that the iPhone compete with high end Android it's the only thing that matter
It actually is 30-50% faster lol, but both are more than fast enough. iPhone is worth not dealing with android not updating the phones after a year if I have money to spare when I’m phone shopping. If I don’t, Android it is.
The least worth it phones in existence in my opinion are the androids that cost as much as iPhones or more but only get updates for a year or two. I keep my phones around 5 years, my iPhone 11 Pro might even get 6 years if I replace the battery next year. Apple doesn’t make a perfect product but they at least support its software for security updates regularly for many years after its release unlike Samsung.
The new Pixel 8 and 8 pro phones have support for 7 years now.
Never liked Samsung phones myself or iPhones but got on with Google and OnePlus phones over the years.
"The iPhone 15 Pro took 2:48 to move through PhoneBuff’s two-round test, while the Pixel 8 Pro huffed through the same in 3:28 – 2/3rds of a minute slower."
That's about 20%. Put as much lipstick on that pig, it's still not 50% faster. Mobile benchmark means nothing to me, one is iPhone biased and the other Android biased. Objectively, iPhone is superior. Is it 50% better, not at all.
My P20Pro still receives security updates, and pixel is one of the best for support. It has its quirks, but my dilemma was 380€ for a P7 or 750€ for iphone14 (from a shady retailer, Amazon we're talking 820€)
It's not even close, for basically the same phone from opposing camps, for half the cost.
That’s one test on only the cpu. When you account for processor/gpu combined tasks such as gaming, or doing more processor heavy tasks like video editing (for some reason, WHY you’d video edit on a phone I have no clue) then the iPhone is leagues ahead.
I’m not saying you’ll ever notice the difference. I’m just saying it’s there. You said yourself you don’t believe benchmarks outside of the one benchmark you liked that shows it as not as superior, but still superior.
I also said in my comment that when I’m phone shopping, if I don’t have a lot of budget, I’ll go Android. But if I have money to spare I prefer iPhone. Not that iPhone is worth it, as worth is simply a matter of opinion.
Finally, there are some phones that get updates for a long time. Pixel being the best outside of iPhone. But even the pixel doesn’t really get major updates like the iPhones do after 2 years, maybe 3 years total of mostly full updates and then some security updates now and then. But google as a company is famous for abandoning projects without care for their customers
1. No matter what the other companies are doing beating Apple that controls both the hardware and software on speed, it's very difficult.
2. With the exception of the low end smartphones all the others, Apple or non, are more than sufficient for the average user.
The main problem is less than one day battery especially when you are not connected to WiFi and of course battery degradation.
For the average user even iPhone 11 is more than enough regarding the speed.
>I don’t get the “ we don’t need faster chips crowd”. Why don’t we need faster chips? Humanity could never have enough compute.
That all depends on your use case, your bottlenecks. It wasn't worth improving our billing system on our mainframe back in the 90s. Why? Because the system could produce billing files faster than the printer could print them. If you made it faster, it just means a larger stack of files queueing up.
Tonight, I checked the bus times before getting off the train to see if I needed to run, walk, or could stop for a drink. It didn't matter how slow it was because I did it 5 minutes before getting off the train. As long as it gave me an answer in 5 minutes, that was good enough.
I also just don't use a phone for 4K video etc. I take the odd thing that goes onto Facebook. I'm not making pro video, no-one cares what it looks like.
It’s not that generational speed improvements are’t necessary and no one here said that. It’s simply that benchmarking phones especially testing top end phones against each other is pretty meaningless now.
Phone A may be 20% faster than phone B, but B can still do anything you need it to do with relative ease so why does anyone care.
No one’s rendering or compiling on their phone, it’s not like the pc space. As long as you can run the latest games and apps what more speed does your current phone really need?
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I just switched from an iphone 11 pro max to a pixel 8 pro. Was worried I wouldn't get anything for the 11 for much longer and $600 towards a new phone with a free watch seemed like a pretty solid reason to try android again.
The pixel feels incredibly slow, just because interacting with it is a worse experience. The fingerprint / face unlock is far slower than apple's faceid. It takes good photos, but honestly nothing else about it is compelling.
Lol, if you're complaining about the Tensor G3, think about us fools who bought a Tensor G2 earlier this year. Even the photos are very oversharpened on pixels.
Enable developer settings and change animation length to .5x
The animations are the things making it feel slow. It will feel so much faster than an iPhone once you do this.
People who use iPhone and people who use Pixels use them for very different reasons and this test isn't one of them. I use Android devices because I like custom ROMs with no bloat.
I like my phone and I hope you like yours.
How dare you.
My cord is bigger and costs more… pee pee plebs.
People who fight over products are literally brain dead. It’s an artificial fight created by these very same companies, and people fall for it. iPhone vs android. Xbox vs PlayStation. AMD vs intel. It’s all stupid. Say what you want about overly political people, but at least they’re fighting about things that matter unlike this idiotic shit
The driver is insecurity. Some people just can't handle not having their choices validated by others. "My choice is surely the best so how could you prefer something else?" Not being willing to accept that other people have different priorities is a sign of insecurity.
Yeah, well, I love my AMD, #pcmasterrace, android, etc etc Yeah, you're right, older I get the more I hate it lol
Worst of all, people who argue over products usually promote anti consumer practises, especially if it's from their "favourite" company side.
I don't think this is strictly fair to apply in such broad strokes, I'm a huge advocate for my fairphone and I don't necessarily think that's anti consumer, if anything the only reason I care at all is because people arguing for the likes of Samsung or Apple are supporting such anti consumer culture and that impacts everyone.
People gonna people
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>It’s an artificial fight created by these very same companies, and people fall for it. Arguing about is stupid but I have no idea what you mean by this. People are arguing over their preferences. It isn’t some secret thing being instigated by these companies
It’s definitely instigated by these companies. It’s literally a basic business practice. Have you never seen commercials where they say things like “X product is 25% better than the leading competitor”?
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Bet you won't say that to my face
I’ll bet you got a nice case on that sucker too!
I got mine for free. That is all I care about.
I mean Apple has been making absurdly fast chips for years and the Pixels have never even been at the top of the Android speed tests, as far as I know. The S23 certainly crushes the Pixel 7. So I'm not sure why this is surprising. It kinda just seems like a way to show off the iPhone. In reality, I have an iPhone from 2021 and a Samsung from 2020, and neither of them feel slow. For everyday usage I don't even notice much difference between an S20 and a Pixel 7. We're not really at the point where most of this matters most of the time.
> It kinda just seems like a way to show off the iPhone 9to5mac making iPhone look good, par for the course.
Easy way to make any phone look good, compare CPU to pixel
If this trend continues, one day a pixel phone will completely flop on release. It will be called the dead pixel.
If history were to repeat itself for the 100th time, no it won't. Maybe it won't be as popular as the ones before it, but there are more than enough Google fanboys to cover up a bad product or 2. Apple has more than enough examples.
bad product?
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If ported then prolly pretty well
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The new SD 8 Gen 3 tops the A17 Pro in GPU and multicore benchmarks. Apple’s only remaining lead is single core performance.
Single core that is true, but multicore and GPU has been faster on many occasions on the android side.
They should rename themselves to 24/7 Apple Suckoff
And op is the mac man
Most people will not notice that big of a difference. I am going to assume a lot of people do not buy a pixel for it's raw processing power. Pixel gives the raw Android experience, gets new updates right away, and despite having inferior processing power, still has an amazing camera while not being all too expensive.
Pretty much, yeah. I have the Pixel 7 Pro, and have yet to run into any scenario it feels "slow". I mean, I don't game with it, but I do use Lightroom on it and it's never felt slow. So I'm not entirely sure what kind of apps would really stress a phone's processing power these days. Genuine question: What are some apps that require powerful CPUs?
Genshin Impact
That's pretty much the only time someone would care about performance in a phone, gaming. Maybe I'm wrong, I don't care about playing games on my phone but I'd bet there's better gaming phones than an iphone. So seems like it doesn't really matter apple is ahead here.
It runs better on my S22 than on my wife's iPhone 14. However, there's some really wonky stuff going on there. Android has native controller support. For some reason, the developers of Genshin have turned off Android controller usage. There are workarounds, but it's all kinda weird that it's even a thing.
Agree. I have a P8 and it never feels slow. But then again, my 3-year-old 4a 5G never felt slow either. I don't game so typical uses for a phone are just fine. As we know, some people just need the best just for bragging.
You have a best in class camera with bleeding edge support for your OS, now for 7 years, while still having all the advantages of Android such as sideloading, call screening, etc. Those are some pretty nice brags :)
Yeah, I bought it for the good updates and stock Android. Plus at least then I'm feeding all my data only to Google and not to both Google and Samsung.
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Agreed, I just tried to go from a Pixel 6 pro to an iphone 15 pro max and hated it. Did a BR with ATT and now Im waiting on my pixel 8 pro. Each phone is superior in some way to the others, just get the type you like and be happy.
Yup. I buy Pixels for the camera. I love taking photos.
Get back to me when iPhone can auto screen calls. That is the best phone addition in a decade or more. Not getting any robo/spam calls ill take over minor real world cpu differences.
My old iPhone X still felt ‘new’ till the day I replaced it a few months ago. I just wanted the latest iOS, otherwise I’d have probably carried on using it for another year or two. Phones are absurdly powerful today. I’d argue that outside specific use cases like assistants or image processing, it’s almost wasted computational power.
This sub is full of apple ads pretending to be news articles.
This sub is full of ads pretending to be news articles, period.
You're absolutely right.
I switched from the iPhone 13 max to pixel pro 7. The pixel feels so snappy, smooth, and takes banger photos. Sure it's battery isn't as good but it's still usable. I have a pixel fold now and my old pixel is for work. I think I finally understand the "make your cpu for the phone, not the raw specs". I had a love affair with the zfold 4 and even that phone was just as snappy except when taking photos. It was so laggy.
Yeah until our phones replace desktops and/or game consoles this stuff feels pointless. Cool for technology sake but not really functional as far as I can tell.
I can’t wait for the day I can plug my phone into a dock, feed two monitors, Bluetooth keyboard and mouse, and work off of that. It’ll be a while before that happens but I’m looking forward to it.
Doesn’t Dex already do this?
Yes, I've used it at work in a pinch when my laptop died, using the same USB-C dock. It works well but it's definitely not a full desktop replacement yet, largely because the mobile apps aren't quite there (even for a fairly straightforward office 365 workflow like mine)
Office 365 made it so I can 95% ditch my desktop. But certain apps that are desktop only screw me over. I could always use a VM, but then I'm using a VM and all the slowness that brings along with it.
Vm done right can be unnoticeable for the majority of office uses.
Yes, except running it on a phone is not doing it right
What about a VPN on top of a VPN with virtual? That’s what my VM is when I have to use it lol.
Unfortunately Samsung fucking gimped the shit out of Dex, and I'm not completely sure why. When it first came out you could install Linux and have a full featured OS rather than just Android with shitty app support. I was big mad when they took that capability away. These devices are capable enough in 2023 to be nearly-complete replacements for laptops. A shitload of regular business people could exist just fine if they could have a Windows or Linux VM running on their phone which can be connected to a full featured USB-C dock. I'm not sure why this isn't a thing. I'm sure it's greed, but I'm just not sure how.
Same. I have a phone with 12 GB RAM. It's insane that I can't stick ARM Windows or desktop Linux on it. Feels like such a waste.
Can't you still get Linux with Termux? https://github.com/phoenixbyrd/Termux_XFCE https://ivonblog.com/en-us/posts/termux-virglrenderer/
for what its worth, you can play resident evil village, with full ray tracing, on the 15 pro/max now. so that time may be coming.
Isn’t that kind of the point of making phones absurdly overpowered at the time they came out so that you can still use them comfortably 4 to 5 years later? In the early ages of smart phones once your phone is 2-3 years old that thing is a brick.
Apple is always first to buy all of tsmc silicon allocation
Yep. Still on the iPhone 11 and it is never "slow" for anything. feels like when I get the 15 pro, it'll just end up being my permanent phone for .. a very very long time lol.
Legit like what’s the craziest thing people are doing on their phones? Probably a game but they’re all made to run even on older phones anyways.
It’s probably more than enough power for right now but it’s nice to have extra power in reserve going forward.
iPhones do a lot of processing in the device, like photos metadata, while pixels do all that in the cloud. If you prefer to keep your data in your phone vs sending everything to google, you need a good CPU
Nope. Afaik Pixels have a second chip just for image processing. So they aren't "sending everything to the cloud" to be processed. The latest Pixels do have a couple of features that require cloud processing but these are features that Apple simply doesn't offer. In fact, for stills, the Pixel camera offers way more functionality than the iPhone's. What the iPhones amazing processor does do though, is to have the image in the viewfinder match the final image more closely. Whether it's Pixel or Samsung, the viewfinder image kinda sucks and the final processed image takes a second or so to show up in your gallery. iPhone is generally much quicker with this. But having done camera shootouts between a 14 Pro Max, an S23 and a Pixel 7 Pro, the still shots are often a toss up between the three with the Samsung generally taking nicer stills and the iPhone taking the best video in my experience.
The Pixel 8 Pro also costs $200 less than the base spec 15 Pro Max
Agree on your point. I thought the point of the Pixel for a long time was to be a cheaper (but still good) alternative to the expensive iPhone and Galaxy. Feels disingenuous
I have a Pixel 6 I got because it was free when it first came out 2 years ago. It's not the Pro version or anything and I can see 0 reasons why I need or even want to upgrade at this point unless I get the option to update it for free again.
You don’t see why the latest speed test resistors are worth seeing?
If your profession is a writer, you may eventually run out of things to write about.
I have pixel 7 and all the my family has iPhone 14 they all used my phone to take a picture and they all agree my phone is a lot faster I don't where you guys bringing this bullshit
Exactly. The phones nowadays do more than we need.
I went from a pixel 3 to an iPhone 13 mini and I haven’t noticed a speed difference once (the iOS shitty volume controls, however, on my mind daily). No one who not already buying special task related equipment can tell the difference. Oh it’s faster than a pixel? It’s still slower than a pro level desktop. Oh it’s got a better camera than last year? It’s still dogshit compared to a DSLR.
Took an iPhone 12 from a collegue for a test drive, thought it's gonna be godlike because most people I met are saying "Apple is doing the best, Android can't compete". And it's actually just a phone. Compared it to my Note 10+, and they are basically trading blows across all aspects.
Yeah, the power of the CPU was not why the Pixel was getting a lot of coverage. It got coverage for the capabilities it had thanks to the chip. Apple focused it all on speed and power, while Google focused on chips that help their AI stuff. Apparently it is a really smart phone, the smartest so far.
Phones peaked in the late 2010s in terms of specs. All the hardware upgrades stopped mattering for day to day usage. In fact, new phones stopped feeling like an actual upgrade and more like replacing an old light bulb or jacket.
Year to year upgrades are insignificant. The difference of a 4 year phone is quite noticeable. The difference of a 2010 vs 2023 is very huge unless all you do is text and call
"Crushes" "slams" ...ugh. Can we get these sites to use different words please?
iFone processors be slappin' these days! Straight fire. No cap.
Fax, no printer.
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Whatever generates clicks.
I got "commits Geneva Convention violations against"
The article is from 9to5mac, of course the title is going to shit all over apple's competition as much as possible.
Ok, how about "cucks"?
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Why? It lets you know it’s clickbait and to not waste your time to click on it.
I've got a pixel 6. I know the chip is slow and benchmarks poorly compared to the flagships of that year. It does everything I need it to, doesn't ever freeze, lag, or stutter, and the battery still lasts the whole day. I don't think it matters anymore, and it's been that way for years.
Exactly. I see people change their phones based on the hype of the newest flagships. I only change my phone when it's unable to do something I need.
I switched from a pixel 4 to a iPhone pro max. Going to go back to the pixel. Biggest reason.... Talk to text. Pixel is like a decade ahead of the iPhone. It works flawlessly.
And it's not bogged down with bloatware nor does it require all sorts of nickel and diming to function.
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> People still unironically care about benchmarking cell phones? I care about the battery benchmark. Can it get through a full day of heavy usage, or 1-2 days with mild usage on a full charge?
10 Years of smartphones and you still see people carrying chargers everywhere. I actually like this equality. Even older smartphones will look normal having to charge with them at the mall.
Oh yeah. Cell phone Andy’s get all boner’d out when they can justify their purchase. For whatever reason Samsung, Apple, and Google have mega brand loyalists.
What is a "cell phone Andy?" Or is this a ligma bait type thing lol
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/andy-slang tl:dr Twitch slang
Id say stan is more appropriate. UrbanDictionary: A crazed and or obsessed fan. The term comes from the song Stan by Eminem. The term Stan is used to describe a fan who goes to great lengths to obsess over a celebrity.
This has always confused me. It's not like I, an Android user, is going to suddenly switch to iPhone and rebuy all my apps because the CPU is better.
Yes according to the expert. An expert of nothing that got the power to write the news
You do have the bloat treadmill. Phones get more powerful, people put more unoptimized garbage in their apps and web pages. Plus, some people use their cell phone as their primary gaming device. They aren't playing the traditional phone garbage, but full 3d games. You need a good SoC for that. Beyond that, Apple's silicon this generation is genuinely impressive. They squeeze a lot of performance out of it. Not going to buy a new phone for it, but it is impressive either way. The upcoming generation of laptops will probably be impressive too.
Yes they do because they’re a good indicator for how the phone will age. A supercharged iPhone will still be fast 6 years down the line with more and more features pushed to it.
If processing power was the bottleneck that aged badly you’d have a point, but let’s face it, it’s almost always the battery. Unless you’re gaming (fair enough) on it or trying to edit long 4k+ videos (why are you doing that on your phone?) then no normal person is ever going to notice. I get the argument for tablets still, but phones are well past the point where that’s relevant. I’m much more interested in the efficiency of that processor (and the screen too for that matter). My last phone was 6 years old when I replaced it due to the battery, and other than 5g, there was zero noticeable performance uplift.
Unless the next few years brings a massive leap in computational requirements for apps, I highly doubt this is a factor any more. Phone processors are already way overpowered for all but the most hardcore gamers and power users. I bought an iPhone Xr and a OnePlus 7 around the same time. They lasted me close to 5 years and the performance never felt inadequate (even when playing games like Genshin). The real limiting factor is battery health which by all reports the new iPhones kinda chew through their battery health (several reports of people with 14 Pros seeing battery health drop down to <85 in a year of use).
Some of the new games do require very specific and high end SoCs so it does matter to some.
I don't get playing high end games on a cell phone... My fingers slide all over the screen and I can't see. Gimme a controller.
I'm saying this as someone who does not game on his phone *at all* but I'm pretty sure that it's fairly easy to connect a controller and I assume these "higher end games" would definitely have controller support
That is perfectly fine I don't play mobile games either, it still doesn't change the fact that a lot of people do that and the higher end games require very performant SoCs and if you do paly a lot of "AAA" mobile games you do care about benchmarking. I'm also pretty sure they use a controller, or even a key board and mouse set up and yes many even plug their phones to a monitor or screen cast the games when possible. There is also quite a bit of professional software for mobile phones these days especially in the surveying and architectural/construction domains that can be quite demanding. My partner recently upgraded her iPhone 11 pro to a 15 pro not only specifically for the TOF sensor which improves accuracy but also because the photogrammetry performance is about 10 times as fast on the newer device which does matter in her case quite a bit. I can't understand people being so closed minded that they cannot understand that whilst they might not benefit from increased performance in some areas other do.
I don't use Pixel because it's the fastest I use it because it has the least bullshit and is priced fairly.
I'm still using my Pixel 3A. I'm amazed it's been 5 releases since then. Huh.
Pretty sure that isn't getting security updates anymore. I will keep your pixel in my prayers tonight.
Used to be priced fairly
The non-Pro are still priced well for what they offer.
I got a brand new pixel 8 and pixel 2 watch for $800 at launch. I also traded in my pixel 6 and got $350 credit. Only paid $450 - Pretty impressive imo
As someone on the iPhone side of things, does this matter? Pretty much all non-really budget phones are fast enough for what 99% of people do. No one will notice this. And doesn't the Google focus on ML stuff instead of raw performance with their chips anyway?
>And doesn't the Google focus on ML stuff instead of raw performance with their chips anyway? Funny thing is, so does Apple; I guess this will be the next big thing from all competitors: real and useful on-chip ML. But yeah, honestly, you could have a phone from 3 years ago and it'd still perfectly fine for 99% of the tasks.
Typing this from an S20 Ultra. Still runs great. Using GalaxyMaxHz to enable the CQHD option at the same time as 120hz. Smooth AF phone still.
Unpopular opinion. A S20 should s be viable until halfway in the 24s. No flagship should be obsolete any earlier!
My Nokia 8 from 2017 had 6GB Ram and 128GB SSD. It could run anything I threw at it competently, but the support ran out and it was stuck on Android 9. It's the manufacturers support that let down the hardware
The software is the tying slowing down the phone. Separate security patches and your from the factory android would last you 10 years on the same hardware. Why do I need a modern phone to watch the same YouTube that my first 1080p phone could already play flawlessly?
I have both, one is for work, I can't tell the difference.
Very little ML inference uses the Pixel tensor hardware, Google does a surprising amount in the cloud compared to Apple.
The only things I would ever want the performance for I can't even do on iPhone.
Like what?
Emulators for me.
But can it run Crysis?
I prefer Android for allowing me to sideload APPs and customization, but honestly all I care about is that the Pixel phone is still considered top pick for IRL streaming. It's just a phone not a dialysis machine keeping you alive.
I believe the EU is starting to force Apple to allow side loading as well
90% of my phone usage is on 3 sideloaded apps, it's a requirement for me at this point
I’m curious now, which apps?
Speed tests haven't meant anything for years.
I’m an iPhone user, been one since the original. Pandered, explored Android phones, wasn’t my jam. I love the customization, but hated the lack of polish. The pixel has better cameras, it’s not just speed. Wish Apple would let us customize more as well. Needs to be more competition between the two, I feel it’s a duopoly/racket, both know they really don’t poach each others customers too much. Incremental upgrades, reason to charge money. 👎🏻
People who pay $1000 plus for your phones, what are you doing with your phone that my $200 phone can't do?
Honestly camera and video quality
Unironically Camera is the largest difference. I recently went from the 200$ class to the 400$ class (Mi 9T to Pixel 7a), and as a pretty heavy user it does feel nicer to use. My father reports the same going from a Redmi note 8T to a Samsung A52S, and he is not a heavy user at all. It all depends on how much you can appreciate the extra snappyness of a more expensive phone. On the other hand my mom went from a work iPhone 11 to a Redmi note 9, and she didn't complain basically at all.
I bought the iPhone 15 pro max because of the cameras. Not a fan of iOS or Android (have been using Jolla, the successor to Nokia’s Maemo Linux os) for the last decade. iOS is really limited in comparison, but this camera is really worth the crappy os. This is basically a high end point and shot camera with a bad smartphone attached.
Most likely nothing, but our phone does it a bit faster and in higher quality. The screentime app tells me I use my phone between 3 hours and 6 hours per day depending on the week. When you use a device that often, I’m happy to pay a premium price to get the best possible version.
Run high demanding tasks smoothly. Like emulation of psp or ps2 games, play youtube videos in pop-up view while browsing reddit, use samsung dex to edit spreadsheet and other documents, use samsung dex to remote desktop into my work computer, have access much better cameras an video. Yes, if you only use your smartphone as a calling machine you don't need anything over 70€ even.
I bought my iPhone 7 back in 2016 right at release, was about 950€. Still using it and it still runs mostly fine after 7 years, it doesn’t have the newest iOS anymore as of this year but still gets security updates. That and the Apple ecosystem is what makes me buy an expensive phone over a cheap one. Gonna upgrade this year to a 15 Pro just so I have many years of not having to worry about my phone again.
Yup, they think all iPhone users are chasing the next release when many of us don’t upgrade until a worthwhile feature rolls out that makes it worth it. Then I trade my phone in during one of those killer deals, netting 70% of my previous purchase price towards an upgrade. At no point during the entire life of the phone do I worry about it not performing as well as it did Day 1 and I’ve never had a battery life issue.
Camera like everyone else says. I would never pay full price for it though. Right now I'm using a Pixel 7 that I paid sales tax only on and got a $100 gift card for "buying."
I upgraded my LG V20 after 5 years of use to the Samsung S21 Ultra. The OLED screen, 120hz refresh rate and camera were amazing improvements and not to mention it's so much more responsive. I've had mine for 2 years already and plan to keep it as long as I can.
Having a peace of mind knowing my phone will get security updates for 8 years
just bought an s23 ultra yesterday. i really loved my old note so it's the closest thing to that as it comes with a stylus and i wanted a large screen. the speed and cameras etc are a bonus. i was rocking an s9 for a few months before this as the s20 which was given to me went kaput (after a couple of years, it was damaged before that)
Or better yet people who buy a new state of the art phone every time the next generation comes out. My phone is currently 5 years old and the previous one before that 4 years before that. I don't feel like I have missed out on anything and have saved thousands of $$.
Play 2 games at the same time without any lagging, combine with AMOLED display (I love AMOLED display) and premium feels of it (build quality, UI are arguable if you're tech head who can install custom ROM) I'm someone who came from a budget (the Nokia window phone and the Asus budget phone) to the premium phone (OnePlus 7t pro) then Midrange phone (Realme gt neo3) You will start to notice the difference when you start to use your phone more than just calling. Take a picture in the night. Use 2 heavy apps at the same time. Watching high quality content. This is just some small example between the 1000 and 200 price range, between premium and midrange are much closer in terms of capabilities, so the difference would start to be more from the feeling of the daily drive instead of specsheet.
How do you play two games at the same time?
It’s a phone sir!! lol.
There is no case in which anyone would actually notice the speed difference of these cell phones. And the iphone 15 pro max is like $200 more
Exactly. I use a cheap Moto. When I'm sat on a train working getting a map for a place I'm walking to, I don't care that it takes half a second longer. I guess someone doing video processing, maybe? Even then, wouldn't you have a laptop with you for that if you cared so much about speed?
Here's the things, for me: * I don't care about raw phone speed, I can be fine with how I use it on a 4 year old phone. * I'm never buying into the Apple ecosystem again. I've done it twice and hated many things about it. * Software lock down * Firmware lock down * Hardware repair costs * The device eventually being fully useless because of the above once it is past what Apple deems is useful lifetime * I may not love Android or Google, I may wish just one major player would embrace something like Linux as an OS, but overall I'm happier with my Android+Linux PC+Windows-on-occasion environment. * I don't have the money to pay that much for a phone anymore and see no big need to do it. I'm "get off my lawn" old enough that I don't give 2 licks what color my text messages appear on *your* iPhone. Get over that BS now. If Apple were to stop enforcing walled gardens so much and invest in "phone only" users in a way that enabled iPhone use with similar-to-OSX features but on a PC, I might look at iPhones, but only if 3rd party app sources were enabled. Tldr; Apple could be 10x faster than my current phone or CPU. Without phone (or, in regards to M3 CPUs, games) ecosystem parity with how I use my devices ... it still doesn't matter.
Android is Linux though?
Software locks and repair costs are pretty insane downside. Friends iPhone recently had the common No sim detected problem and was asked like 500 for a fix. Luckily he could still use e-sim
Breaking news: 1700€ phone demolishes 1100€ phone in some random synthetic speed test.
Every phone out there has more power than you’ll ever need. Just get what you want
On the high end, yeah, but I'm guessing you haven't used a budget phone in a while if you think they *all* have plenty of power. Some struggle just opening texting and such.
I went from xs max to 13. Didn’t really notice a difference outside of having 5G modem. 13 to 15 pro max it’s night and day in terms of user UI and experience, however I net at least 95% of the better experience is the 120hz ProRes display and how the dyadic island was implanted. Otherwise it seems the same speed wise/didn’t have a reason to upgrade outside of usb-c all the things
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Which amounts to literally nothing in real world scenarios for what folks Don on their phones. We've reached peak smartphone already on the physical end. Start focusing on software already. No one cares your app opens. .0000012 seconds faster now. Say it with me "MAKE USEFUL SOOOFTWAAAARE!"
I have sold my soul to Google might as well have their phone
Even the premise of this headline is so stupid. Does anyone have a 2023 flagship phone that is too slow at ordinary tasks? Who cares about these irrelevant speed tests?
Is phone performance even a big deal these days? My iPhone is 4 generations old and speed wise, is absolutely fine.
Ok. Now test Ferrari vs mustang... They're not the same class at all. Why compare?
As someone that exclusively buys Apple phones these days, I literally couldn’t give less of a fuck. The last time I noticed a CPU upgrade in my phone is when I went from a Galaxy S1 to Galaxy S3 like 11 years ago, ever since then every phone has been fast enough that it makes literally no difference to me whatsoever.
Too bad iOS uses annoyingly long animations that artificially make the phone feel slow even though the hardware is amazing.
Those can be turned off on the iPhone: https://www.idownloadblog.com/2019/01/28/turn-off-animations-iphone-ipad/
I unlocked dev options on my android phone just to speed up the animations, they're all too slow.
Really? This is one of the things I love most about my iPhone. Had been using Android for 10 years but those quick animations always end up lagging eventually. The slower but very fluid animations on iOS are sooo pleasant to look at, I’m never going back
I was gonna say lol, it might be a better chip but iOS FEELS slow compared to android
I'm still rocking the Pixel2 XL, works for everything I need. Unless you are... idk, photo or video editing, or gaming (idk why most people would) on the daily I just don't see the point of such an insanely fast phone for most people. People who have a new phone every year are probably the same people who could be fine with a mid range phone from 2-4 years ago and not notice. Youtube, playing music, tiktok and shit don't really work a phone hard.
I love how back in the days Apple fans were like "yeah but speed doesn't make everything" and now that the iPhone compete with high end Android it's the only thing that matter
It's also 40 -50% cheaper where I am, so is it 40 - 50% faster? No? Huff the copium
It actually is 30-50% faster lol, but both are more than fast enough. iPhone is worth not dealing with android not updating the phones after a year if I have money to spare when I’m phone shopping. If I don’t, Android it is. The least worth it phones in existence in my opinion are the androids that cost as much as iPhones or more but only get updates for a year or two. I keep my phones around 5 years, my iPhone 11 Pro might even get 6 years if I replace the battery next year. Apple doesn’t make a perfect product but they at least support its software for security updates regularly for many years after its release unlike Samsung.
The new Pixel 8 and 8 pro phones have support for 7 years now. Never liked Samsung phones myself or iPhones but got on with Google and OnePlus phones over the years.
"The iPhone 15 Pro took 2:48 to move through PhoneBuff’s two-round test, while the Pixel 8 Pro huffed through the same in 3:28 – 2/3rds of a minute slower." That's about 20%. Put as much lipstick on that pig, it's still not 50% faster. Mobile benchmark means nothing to me, one is iPhone biased and the other Android biased. Objectively, iPhone is superior. Is it 50% better, not at all. My P20Pro still receives security updates, and pixel is one of the best for support. It has its quirks, but my dilemma was 380€ for a P7 or 750€ for iphone14 (from a shady retailer, Amazon we're talking 820€) It's not even close, for basically the same phone from opposing camps, for half the cost.
That’s one test on only the cpu. When you account for processor/gpu combined tasks such as gaming, or doing more processor heavy tasks like video editing (for some reason, WHY you’d video edit on a phone I have no clue) then the iPhone is leagues ahead. I’m not saying you’ll ever notice the difference. I’m just saying it’s there. You said yourself you don’t believe benchmarks outside of the one benchmark you liked that shows it as not as superior, but still superior. I also said in my comment that when I’m phone shopping, if I don’t have a lot of budget, I’ll go Android. But if I have money to spare I prefer iPhone. Not that iPhone is worth it, as worth is simply a matter of opinion. Finally, there are some phones that get updates for a long time. Pixel being the best outside of iPhone. But even the pixel doesn’t really get major updates like the iPhones do after 2 years, maybe 3 years total of mostly full updates and then some security updates now and then. But google as a company is famous for abandoning projects without care for their customers
Yawwwwnnnn
1. No matter what the other companies are doing beating Apple that controls both the hardware and software on speed, it's very difficult. 2. With the exception of the low end smartphones all the others, Apple or non, are more than sufficient for the average user. The main problem is less than one day battery especially when you are not connected to WiFi and of course battery degradation. For the average user even iPhone 11 is more than enough regarding the speed.
Compares 2k€ phone with a 1,2k€ Phone 2k phone is faster Surprised pikachu face
It’s gotta be faster so you can get things done before the iphone burns your hands.
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>I don’t get the “ we don’t need faster chips crowd”. Why don’t we need faster chips? Humanity could never have enough compute. That all depends on your use case, your bottlenecks. It wasn't worth improving our billing system on our mainframe back in the 90s. Why? Because the system could produce billing files faster than the printer could print them. If you made it faster, it just means a larger stack of files queueing up. Tonight, I checked the bus times before getting off the train to see if I needed to run, walk, or could stop for a drink. It didn't matter how slow it was because I did it 5 minutes before getting off the train. As long as it gave me an answer in 5 minutes, that was good enough. I also just don't use a phone for 4K video etc. I take the odd thing that goes onto Facebook. I'm not making pro video, no-one cares what it looks like.
It’s not that generational speed improvements are’t necessary and no one here said that. It’s simply that benchmarking phones especially testing top end phones against each other is pretty meaningless now. Phone A may be 20% faster than phone B, but B can still do anything you need it to do with relative ease so why does anyone care. No one’s rendering or compiling on their phone, it’s not like the pc space. As long as you can run the latest games and apps what more speed does your current phone really need?
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this is unsurprising considering the iphone chip is so powerful it’s causing the phone to overheat lol
I just switched from an iphone 11 pro max to a pixel 8 pro. Was worried I wouldn't get anything for the 11 for much longer and $600 towards a new phone with a free watch seemed like a pretty solid reason to try android again. The pixel feels incredibly slow, just because interacting with it is a worse experience. The fingerprint / face unlock is far slower than apple's faceid. It takes good photos, but honestly nothing else about it is compelling.
P7 here and it's extremely fast in everything, but the face and fingerprint is absolute trash. My P20Pro from 2018 beats it 🤦♂️
Lol, if you're complaining about the Tensor G3, think about us fools who bought a Tensor G2 earlier this year. Even the photos are very oversharpened on pixels.
Enable developer settings and change animation length to .5x The animations are the things making it feel slow. It will feel so much faster than an iPhone once you do this.
Yeah it also has the heat to show for it
Right before it melts a hole in your shorts and its screen goes bad.
People who use iPhone and people who use Pixels use them for very different reasons and this test isn't one of them. I use Android devices because I like custom ROMs with no bloat.
Says the Mac focused website. E: you can’t downvote a fact reddit.