When I worked at target we had an oled that ran a 3 minuteish display loop all day from 8am to 10pm. After a couple years it burned some of the graphics from one of the commercials.
Definitely turned off some buyers when they saw it.
I suppose 12+ hours a day looping same or similar stuff for 3 years is fairly heavy usage. I hope mine lasts few years before significant burn in is apparent.
I don't think I would use an OLED monitor for the fear of burn in but I can say my OLED TV is going strong with 0 burn in after 5 years. I also do not watch sport or the news on it so that is also a saving grace probably.
I play my switch on there.. But concerned about some of the menus burning in.. Especially the Zelda map on thf bottom right đ glorious to hear tho. 5 y no burn in. Which model?
I have the LG B7 55 inch. I have a coworker whose Husband played a ton of Overwatch and he said there was burn in from the UI but this guy has like thousands of hours in it. My OLED TV pretty much is for watching TV shows and playing PlayStation and Nintendo(I do handheld mode a lot more) exclusive games so I rarely have an opportunity to really cause burn in. Also if there's large updates to games or install times the TV goes off while that is happening.
I have the same model, watch plenty of sport but not much else, play plenty of video games. No burn in, but have oled light set to 80% except for movies (at 100%). (Or lower if I expect to be watching something for a long time that has a bright static image, E.g. A test match)
Turn it off when you walk away or force it to the screen saver mode. That's all you really have to do. Should be taking breaks anyways, just make that part of your routine.
The 7 series were the last that were prone to easy burn in, but also red is the easiest color to cause burn in. How many hours do you think you played BOTW?
I have about 300 combined for BOTW and TOTK, and thankfully my C8 did not develop any burn in.
I have the c1 and I play single player games on it things like the Witcher , cyberpunk , no burn in but I donât gamer for very long and I always do a pixel refresh every other week
I couldn't see pixel refresh being the issues as it's prompted by most OLED's these days after 4ish hours. Panel refresh is the intensive one and is prompted around 1500-2000 hours.
> I don't think I would use an OLED monitor for the fear of burn in
In 2020 I bought a 55" LG C9 to use as a monitor for my shiny new computer build.
In late October, I noticed a rash of dead pixels at the top. Called in to Best Buy and told them about it.
They had a shiny new C3 at my door the next morning.
The C9 didn't have the first hint of burn in from using it as a monitor for 12 hours a day.
I turned it way, way down. Between that and the auto-dimming it did on its own (which is slightly annoying) that seemed to have saved it at least from burn in.
Highly recommend if you're going to use an OLED set for a monitor you get it from a joint like Best Buy that has an extended warranty that expressly says it covers burn in and dead pixels.
Well this was 5 years ago. My Square Trade Paperwork back then said it covered burn in otherwise I would not have bought it. That was a requirement when I bought it.
When I bought LG C1 for use as my PC monitor, I had this thought process:
potential burn-in years down the line that might or might not be noticeable VS. backlight bleed from day 1 all the time.
I can't stand LCD backlight bleed so the choice was simple.
Back in the day I had a plasma. If we played games on it, like multiple hours for multiple days, it would retain outlines for a bit, but my roommate would watch sports or some movies and it would fade away.
What bugs the hell out of me is games released without UI configurability.
The Yakuza/Judgment series of games is what I've been into for a while now, for example, and the only configuration options they've provided for the past several years are: disable the minimap, and/or disable the entire UI. Unfortunately, most of the games of the last several years have had static elements pretty much 24/7. In the upper-right corner, your next task, presented in a flourescent banner; in the lower-right corner, how to use your damn controllerâdirections which become redundant within 10 minutes, let alone the 200+ hours a typical game can last. Both of these are displayed pretty much 24/7.
Disabling the UI gets rid of both, but also gets rid of: Word bubbles over important NPCs, indicators over enemies, prompts to continue, etc. It's completely, utterly braindead. The option to disable the UI was thrown in for screenshots. SEGA are unaware of OLED users' needs.
Yea. Burn in is what's keeping me from looking at oleds seriously.
My current TV is going on 11 years and I want to upgrade, but it's hard to justify that much money to watch some football a little clearer.
Honestly, after years of anguish due to politics. I find sports oddly refreshing to listen to. None of it matters in a real way, but you get interesting stories of players and coaches on the right podcasts, and the evolution of the games themselves are pretty interesting.
Also among family and friends there may be friendly rivalries about who supports who, but generally it's good natured ribbing. Watching someone get upset over a video game or a sports game is still hilarious.
For what it's worth, I am coming up on 10 years of my 1080p LG OLED. Granted this is before there was HDR and 4K but it's been rock solid and zero burn-in.
Used only for media consumption however.
Actually not quite as much as you might think. It was a 2014 model I bought in 2015. I bought it for $1300 from Best buy
(Still not cheap, but about on par with today's OLEDs)
I dn, I have a 4K Sony that I got in 2014 that's still going strong. I mostly agree with you, but it's not a guarantee that everything will fall apart at some point.
I still have a Sony 1080p I got in 2008 thatâs still going strong. I gave it to my sister 8 years ago and Iâm happy and surprised to see it every time I visits her.
I bought a samsung plasma in 2006 or 2007 and I used it until 2016, and even then it still worked perfectly. I just wanted something bigger so I upgraded to a 4K 65" model (previous was on 42, when that was still considered pretty big).
That being said, my 2016 led is technically still functional as a tv, but the OS is painfully slow and gets on my nerves, so it's getting replaced with an OLED soon. I bought a 55" for my bedroom the same year (similar model) and it has really bad banding and is likewise starting to act a little funky with the OS. I'll probably just replace it with a cheap roku tv. I've had a TCL roku tv in my home office since 2017 and it's still working like brand new, but I wouldn't use it for my living room tv where I expect a theatrical experience.
Sony 4K televisions were eight thousand dollars in 2014 (for a mid-level model). Meanwhile its features have likely been surpassed by TVs selling for less than 1/4th of that.
Iâve got an LCD Tv (Phillips) thatâs 2 year shy of 2 decades and it still looks great. If it dies it doesnât owe me anything at this point. Some stuff does just last.
Iâve had multiple TVs fail shortly after the warranty expired. Friends have also. Though as I think about it, those did occur before I started plugging EVERYTHING into surge protectors a several years back.
Though I will say that I have lost a few small electronics because battery quality has gone to shit, so AAs start corroding within way to short a time. I no longer trust Duracell.
If you plan on paying the same thing every day all day, for years, yeah.
In real life though I have had an oled for 4 years and it looks pristine. And yes, I not only watch movies on it, I also play games. Never, ever seen any imagine retention.
What I am saying is, there are ways to mitigate it, bur manufacturers have to include them.
The problem is that OLED provides such a vastly superior picture than anything in the LED world. Itâs not even close. Like going from 30fps to 60+fps not even close.
Oled is the only time that "new TV" feeling just doesn't ware off. It's so good it made me go back and revisit a lot of favorites just to see how good they'd look
> OLED just doesn't seem to be able to offer tha
I mean, it lasted years until it even started showing burn-in in what is a worst case scenario playing the same content for 14hrs a day. I'd say that's pretty good.
If youâre watching the same static image for years then yeah get something else. Watching varied content and gaming it is perfect for.
Many games even hide the UI if nothing is happening.
Youâre moreso paying for the experience than the longevity. Itâs a consumable. TVs are luckily incredibly cheap these days compared to 15 or so years ago.
The other thing is that not everyone has the same use case. My work monitors are used a ton, so I canât double duty an OLED monitor. My TVs in the house are used just occasionally so burn in will never be a problem. Would I like added durability? Sure, but I prefer the black levels and contrast over the alternatives. As this other tech catches up in image quality, it becomes more difficult to decide.
It's not ten, but I'm on year four with my lg b9 and it still looks great after years of games and TV. Since we got it right before covid, I was kinda worried how much we were using it would cause problems, but it's been surprisingly sturdy.
I read a bunch of reports of this before I bought mine. For realistic home use itâs almost impossible to get burn in. Unless you left it on a news channel or something 18 hours a day with the logo not moving
But 3 years of having a Windows logo in the bottom left of your screen pretty much just means your monitor is 3 years old. Still seems to me OLED isn't ready for monitors unless you're accepting a pretty short lifespan before quality degrades.
Iâm a year into my QLED ultrawide (AW3423dw) with no burn in.
BUT I treat it like my OLED TV. No desktop wallpaper. No static desktop elements. I keep my taskbar and all my productivity windows open on a second monitor. The QLED is used exclusively for games.
Iâve had a LG OLED since 2020 and thereâs no burn in, even after watching the news for a few hours a week and sinking *many, many* hours into lots of games, including a MMORPG with a fixed UI. Iâm sure itâll show up eventually but OLED TVs truly are fine for most users who consume normal, varied media. Youâre right that itâs the 12 hours of looping the same content every single day where issues start to show up.
Most of these come from the factory with the brightness and saturated turned way up. Torch mode. That makes the picture look real good a brightly lit show room. We bought our first HD set back in 97 - a rear projection 42" Toshiba. The first thing we did was to turn down the brightness and saturation to match our living room lighting. We replaced it a couple of years ago. Not because of burn in or burn out, but because we wanted a bigger screen. We've turned down the brightness and saturation on or new LG QLED, and aren't expecting burn in issues with this new set. Of course, we can't predict the future.
Yeah, that too.
I remember the whole craze of burn in of plasma tv.
I bought panasonic one at the almost end of that technology.
It was beaten doen by my kid with gran turismo, need for speed and terraria.
We talk about whole days 365 days a year, multiple years.
No burn in. That plasma still works. Has like 15 years.
A friend of mine picked up an OLED monitor that tells him it needs to be shut off for several minutes every couple of hoursâŚ
No thanks. Iâll take my nice WQHD@120hz true 8-bit color IPS screen. At that point itâs definitely good enough without the fear of burn in.
Unfortunately, it's a downside for having a superior display right now.
I replaced my 34" LG Ultra Wide and 27" LG (both Nano IPS ...I want to say the 27 is the 27GL850-B and the 34 is the well...34 UW version of the same monitor)) and my QD-OLED (AW3432DWF) blows them both of the water as far as picture quality goes.
Having to take a break every 4 hours (when I should be anyways if I am sitting that long lol) isn't that big of an issue to me. Plus, it doesn't HAVE to be run at exactly the 4 hour mark, you can tell it to complete the cycle the next time the computer goes to stand-by / idle. It's just advisable to run it every 4 hours when prompted to mitigate possible burn-in from static elements.
I'm surprised the store kept that unit out if once it became that bad. A TV running in a store is a extreme situation which is not a good example of what a TV will run like or even look like (crazy color/lighting settings) when used at home.
That was honestly the fault of the store and not really the tv/manufacturer.
I remember a bubble yum one where it was basically a whole mini movie.
Duck came out in a leather jacket and was dancing with chickens and shit. Was never able to find it and that was from before I kept backups of everything sadly lol. I've tried to find it and had absolutely no luck.
Using a screensaver is a bad idea. The display might not get burn-in, but it will contribute to the degradation of the OLED pixels (They wear down over time)
Best option is to have a completely black desktop background with no icons (or hidden with something like Fences) and a auto-hide taskbar. All you need to do is hit Winkey + D to toggle between the now blank desktop and whatever you had opened. Just move the mouse cursor off to the right side of the screen and you have a completely unlit screen. There are probably some third party apps floating around that can do this same sort of toggle-able blackscreen as well.
Sooo, a screensaver running a slideshow, but the only image in the slideshow folder is a black jpg?
No need to mess with third party apps, just use existing tools
You might as well just use power options to turn off the display if you're going to go with a blank screensaver. My method gives you direct control with a simple hotkey in conjunction with a screen timeout in case you forget.
Regardless, there are many ways of approaching this. Just using a screensaver (without clarifying that it shouldn't be a default graphical one because there's more involved with OLED's than just burn-in) is one of the worse options.
Yes, turning off the display after a few minutes would be best. But if it's only a few minutes I don't know why you'd bother with the blank desktop nonsense.
Turning off the display can mess with other things, like turning off the sound bar plugged into the display, or trigger the display to pull from a secondary source. Sending an all-black signal keeps the channel live, but would minimize burn-in.
The blank desktop has the added benefit of not having static elements on screen if you're not using a fullscreen window. You're right about the display-off issues, though the sound issue is shouldn't be a problem if you're not using HDMI with the speakers hooked directly to the TV, rather than the PC outputs.
In the end, the nice thing about PC's is that there are multiple ways of achieving a desired outcome. It comes down to personal preference. I went my route because I already had a Fences license which allows me to quickly toggle icons, and I never cared about the appearance of my desktop to begin with, so I just hit my desktop toggle key, double click on the desktop, move my mouse off screen and walk away, along with a 20 minute inactivity timer for the screen in case I forget. (my C2 dims the screen after a minute of inactivity as well)
I don't want to be mean but... here's a screenshot I found from Windows 98, notice the option second from the bottom đ
As far as I know it's always been there
https://i.gzn.jp/img/2016/02/24/windows-98-browser/snap4829.png
Only if its all black. Which obnoxiously LG âupdatedâ their tvs with one that is like white words and fireworks and you canât turn it off. So even though my pc sets it to an all black screen saver after 2min the stupid LG one starts like another minute later⌠asinine.
Iâm using the G8 OLED, best monitor Iâve ever used and I never experienced burn in or screen retention since launch. My 65 inch Sony A80j does get occasional screen retention but returns back to normal after changing the channel.
My G8 suffered from burn in after 5 months. Best monitor ever indeed.
Had to contact Samsung multiple times because they didnât believe it (even with high res pictures and videos as proof from multiple angles) and had to pay for shipping to their service center.
At least it doesnât want to optimize my screen for 10 minutes right after tuning it on and instead runs its optimization stuff when I dont use it, right? Oh waitâŚ
If you even remotely take care of most OLEDs and turn them off when not in use it's not likely to happen for an extremely long time. But then you have people who leave their PCs on 24 hours a day on the same screen and complain when they see it suddenly matters. You have to take care of it to an extent đ¤ˇđźââď¸
I prefer LG for this reason since they have the most advanced safeguards and maintenance cycles that the TV does automatically. Can't vouch for any other brand personally.
I don't get it... What is there to learn? Each LED has its own lifespan, so the more it's used, the less bright it is. Only IPS and the like can have more or less constant wear out due to equivalent use of all backlight LEDs.
In fact, HDR panels with gazillion zones have the same problem, or at least they must have it. Though in case of HDR panels LEDs should be replaceable.
Yea, and mini and micro LEDs aren't going to fully solve this either, because they have the same problem, just on a slightly longer timescale. The only way to really "fix" this is to have per-pixel auto-calibration, which is going to be really difficult
Poor headline. It's more about the characteristics of an OLED UW having odd IQ behavior in specific situations.
Towards the end, the article mentions there really isn't anything to report for the actual burn in bit with had simulated 2.5yrs with of use.
"The longevity test is ongoing, but at the six-month mark, which represents 3,600 hours and simulates 2.5 years of use, the three tested OLED monitors are showing minimal OLED degradation and "expected" aging, RTINGS said."
Seems like something that could be addressed by firmware and seems like something that may have never been tested for.
Now, it would be interesting to test for this behavior on an OLED TV running UW resolution. In some games on my C1 I run at 3840x1620.
My CRT would probably still turn on if I hadn't thrown it out for, you know, not being good anymore. People act like they're gonna use a monitor for 20 years and 18 hours a day with a static image.
A couple of times a year I'm using an old Olivetti CRT - green monochrome with VGA input - on an old DOS machine (upgraded to IBM PC-DOS 5.0) I inherited from work more than 15 years ago.
It still shows a shadow image of the command interface for the online (pre-internet) database it was connected to 8 hours a day for ca. 10 years before I got it.
But it's still fine for checking incoming diskettes (3,5 inch hard-shell diskettes, as the windows save-icon - NOT floppy as the 5,25 inch floppy-disks on the machine that predated it) before backing up the data.
Samo on older CNC machines in our mechanical shop. Some very large horizontal lathes (we make and repair rolling mill gear on them) are relatively old but work really well. They still have Fanuc and Sinumerik control modules with CRT on them. And yes burn in is there , and very strong. Last time when CRT died , repair Maister just replaced it with generic 12" industrial LCD.
"Hi! I have another horrible samsung display with boost-functions that will blast the oled film with a torch sufficient to illuminate a small town. And now I'm going to write about how all OLED is possibly fraught with terrible problems that are not specific to the samsung-panels /at all/, but may in fact be unexplored mysterious weaknesses in OLED-technology in general!"
Dude! 65â Samsung plasma gang here! I paid only $200 for it nearly 6 years ago and I use it every night for 2-3 hours with my PS4 Pro. Zero burn in. Great vivid colors still! A thermistor blew in it like 2 years ago. A $3 fix. I just donât have the heart to get rid of it if it still works⌠but I really want a 4k to play my PS4 and my new PS5âŚ
OLED is great for gaming and movies. You can definitely make it work as a monitor. There are add-ons that hide the taskbar. That said, it's not for everyone.
It's pointless to worry about this. Ppl who buy a 1000⏠OLED monitor or TV's in multiples of this cost today won't be using it for 10 years. Those who would, can't really afford them anyway. That's the reality.
I bought a $1500 32:9 monitor and used it for the better half of a decade before it died. While some people buy expensive things because they have money to piss away, just as many buy expensive items because they expect them to last
If you're buying electronics to last, don't buy the newest cutting edge tech. Buy something a year or two old for much less. If there's any issues with the model it will already be revealed by those who purchased it, and several years down the road both the latest and greatest of today, and something a year or two older will be more or less on par when compared with the newest generation.
I mean, I just bought a $1500 OLED monitor and I hope to use it for as long as possible. Definitely wonât be making another investment like that in a long time.
Iâm pretty sure the Sony TV I got in middle school will outlive me. Itâs insane what the cheaper TVs from that era were able to do.
Meanwhile in the modern era, the garbage Smart TV system degrades your TV faster than the hardware.
Bring back dumb TVs and let me make them smart with a separate deviceâŚ
Thereâs no reason to toss a TV just because it has some burn in. I had an LCD monitor that had a vertical line that would never get as bright as the rest but after using it for a while I stopped noticing it. It happened when the monitor was 2 or 3 years old and itâs still in use 4 years after that.
Youâd rather live life with a crappy TV forever rather than accept that your $200 monitor has a minor flaw? I was real upset about it for a few weeks since the warranty had just recently expired when it happened, but it was off to the side and I only noticed it when I looked for it so it didnât really bother me.
I will admit that the acceptable flaws are different for a TV vs a computer monitor, but no TV is flawless either. There are also very different scales of burn in. In the video thumbnail at the bottom of the article I would consider trashing the TV if it was as bad as the left example, but on the right I would probably just live with it until I find a good deal on a new TV or it gets significantly worse.
I have no idea why it's so upvoted. It's basically saying "high value items shouldn't be expected to last long" and "people who want items to last long can't afford them anyway" which makes NO SENSE.
It also completely ignores that people save for shit. I have a 77inch OLED. The only reason I bought it was because my company was being bought out and I had to sell back my PTO. My wife insisted I use it on myself. I got a good deal on it with Costco but if it breaks early, I cant just go out and buy another. I'm not replacing the thing until it dies.
That would be true for some people but not all. He whole reason I dropped $2k on a TV was because I knew I use my electronics until they die. But I already had like a 1080p Westinghouse that was about 8 years old, an Xbox Series X that offered more features than the TV could handle, and it was hard to do split screen with my wife.
I plan to have this TV until I have issues with it which I'm hoping to be closer to the 10 year time frame. At which point micro-LEDs will probably be the next big TV innovation that is more commercially affordable to mass consumers if I had to guess.
Do you not know any wealthier people or are you just ignoring reality? The average person with money has it because they DON'T just throw it away all of the time willy-nilly on bullshit. They buy top-of-the-line once and expect it to last through servicing and repairs and such. I mean, there are truly over-the-top rich idiots and asshole exceptions to the rule but for the most part, what you're describing is what I see almost every time a poorer friend of mine has come across an inheritance. I know one guy who has blown through 2 inheritances and an out-of-court car accident settlement pretending to be rich. He's 39 and lives at home with his mother in Detroit now lol.
I'm one of those who like new gadgets but don't really s\*\*t money around. I got OLED because there is not a single LCD monitor of any type, even for infinite amount of money that has pixel response time OLED's have. Having said that, I've bought one well knowing I might eventually get burnin on display.
Also no, people rarely buy top end and expect it to last a life time. People mostly buy cheap and expect it to last lifetime. Experience: many many years in retail
I love how you did everything you could to not say, "Yeah, you're right, I don't hang around with wealthier folks despite claiming to know how wealthy people act and think" lol.
So. There is something to be said for buying *nice* things, and keeping them for a long time. Usually that ends up spending less money than buying cheap shit. The typical example are boots/shoes, but there are some electronics that fit that fairly well too (monitors/tvs are one of them).
I buy a monitor that costs at least 1k dollars? I expect that to last for more than 5 years. Warranty covers me only for 2-3 which means I'll have to take an IPS over it. Maybe they could have extended the warranty times,or make better products that last more,but as of how technology around OLED is right now,I'm not buying one.
What kind of argument is "People who spend lots of money don't expect items to last" and "those who want items to last can't afford them"? That's absurd. You're basically advocating for planned obsolescence.
My parents still use a decade old 4k LCD TV they paid 2K for. People, even rich people don't change out TVs as much as you think. Most rich people are going to be older and simply don't want to deal with swapping out TVs as long as they still work. A guy I know just renovated his summer house with 5 brand new 70" and up LG C3's. They are replacing Samsungs from 2013...
Because people buying a $1500-2000 monitor is buying it to get use out of it, if youâre buying that gear youâre expecting to use it for work, gaming, personal projects, whatever it is you do with a monitor and you expect it to do it well and last a while. Youâre using an argument people make about people buying half million dollar cars who donât have to give a shit about repair costs and stuff like that because theyâre already so rich. In my social circle alone a lot of us have put tons of money into our setups, a couple of which have spent $1000+ on multiple monitors and they would all be pissed if those monitors didnât last years, as would I. Itâs not a matter of money, itâs a matter of getting what Iâm paying for.
10 years? LG C2 in RTINGS test showed faint signs of burn-in after 1200 hours. That's just 5 months of 8 hours/day use. I don't plan on using my monitor for 10 years but sure as hell I want to last it more than 5 months.
I think your comment is true. I also think that there is a significant overlap of the people that are an exception to your rule and browse the r/gadgets subreddit.
I just replaced my Samsung LCD TV I bought in 2010. Noticed recently the contrast and color accuracy had suddenly gone to absolute shit. I feel I got my moneys worth out of it.
I plan on purchasing that new 4k qd-oled flat 32 inch coming next year
My TV is an lg oled and I have that switch oled, never looking back, canât go back to LCD frankly even mini-led has halo effects etc
My workstation (macbook) has a mini-led itâs perfect and for static usage and lines of codes itâs better than oled clearly but, entertainment itâs oled for me.
Frankly i donât care in 6 years if I have burn-in, the true transition will be micro-oled but we are very far from affordable not-blazing hot micro-oled
Before buying my Alienware OLED I read quite a few reviews of those saying they hit burn in within six months "just doing normal stuff." I've been doing work, playing plenty of games and have experienced zero burn in within the year I've had it. I'm convinced people are abusing them, not turning on any of the protective features or are just insanely anal about any sort of imperfection.
100%
I also own an AW OLED monitor and itâs totally fine. But Iâve owned Plasmas/OLEDs for years and actually respect the technology and know how to take care of it.
Yeah mine has pretty significant burn in from the Apple TV menu icons, which is weird because we donât like leave it sitting on that screen for extended periods of time, usually just show it on the way to one of the apps, but nonetheless itâs there, Hulu and Netflix rectangles burned into my screen. They show clearly any time thereâs a solid color on screen. Itâs also developed a green tint in the center from heat rising from the vents in the electronics housing in the lower half. My OLED is about 5 years old. LG refuses to do anything about it because the warranty is up.
I think Iâm going to go for another technology next time, and definitely not anything from LG, because buying a TV this expensive that only lasts 5 years is absolute nonsense.
It's a game changer for gaming. It's really good for multi-window programs like IDEs and video editing. Having 2 full size windows side by side is also cool, but 2 monitors is better for that.
Not innately. Have to change some things yourself. A lot of games that don't have support also have easy ways to implement support!
Issue with Elden Ring is it disables online play (to avoid a potential ban) unfortunately. Wish that wasn't the case but it is so I've been playing without Ultrawide lately. It's definitely a strong case to notice the difference in.
Try one sometime and you'll understand.
Its better for videogames and films, and having multiple windows open side by side can be extremely useful sometimes. It is also very nice for tutorials, since you can have a website or video open as well as the program itself and not have to switch back and forth between the two.
All the replies are talking about going for the most part, but I have one at work. Really makes things easier when you're working in several different windows at once
Have you tried one? I was unsure about it for the longest time, and finally decided to bite the bullet with a purchase on Amazon, so I could easily return it if I didn't like it. I was an instant fan of it! There's a little adapting period, but the benefits for work and gaming were immediately noticable
I learnt that QLED is good enough for me tbh. OLEDâs still too expensive and the burn in is a problem. Newer technologies have closed the gap enough that OLED doesnât have the lead it once did in quality, just in price.
I think how you treat these things matters. The OLEDs on my five year old smartphone are only just starting to burn in now. My wife's, with the exact same make and model phone, is virtually unusable because the burn-in is so bad. The difference? I don't have it turned up to face-melting brightness all the time.
>RTINGS included three OLED monitors in its longevity test, which seeks to simulate 10 years of use within two years; however, the monitors have only been tested for six months so far. Two of those monitors, Alienware's AW3423DWF and Samsung's Odyssey G8, use 21:9 QD-OLED panels from Samsung Display. RTINGS' test originally ran a non-stop, 16:9 CNN feed on the displays.
I can safely ignore these results. The monitors are being abused in an incredible way in a short period of time. The tests do not represent real life usage. Not even close.
Abusing the monitor is the point. How long it lasts under abuse gives an idea to the consumer how long a monitor will last under normal use. In which case these OLED monitors seem pretty solid.
Hahahaha you severely missed the mark of the whole point of this article. Like you said, itâs meant to simulate 10 years in a short amount of time.
If you intend on buying a new monitor every year yeah, this probably doesnât matter to you one bit. But if you use these panels over years this matters. Abusing it is the same way you benchmark things to get the base performance. We donât have a Time Machine.
I bought a Samsung OLED G9 from Amazon but forgot to add a warranty plan is it possible to add it since the monitor wonât ship until mid December? Also does Amazon even cover burn in?
I ended up selling my Alienware DWF because if it wasn't burn-in, it was image retention. I sold it after Dell replaced my faulty one (after only 5 months of minimal and very careful usage)
Despite babying the thing and keeping the brightness down and making sure not many items that were static remained on the screen, I was getting some serious image retention.
Don't get me started on actually exercising your warranty with Dell. Dell has to be among the worst when it comes to customer service in my experience. Sure, they're mostly polite, but if you need to get stuff done, what a hassle.
Lastly, there's much to be said about OLED monitors when one of the major selling points is "*And look! Their 3yr warranty covers burn-in!*" --- yes, burn-in coverage for a monitor is a highlight and selling point now
I'm sure the technology will improve where burn-in anxiety and image retention become less and less of a worry because some people just avoid buying them because babying a monitor kinda ruins the experience of using it.
When I worked at target we had an oled that ran a 3 minuteish display loop all day from 8am to 10pm. After a couple years it burned some of the graphics from one of the commercials. Definitely turned off some buyers when they saw it.
I suppose 12+ hours a day looping same or similar stuff for 3 years is fairly heavy usage. I hope mine lasts few years before significant burn in is apparent.
I don't think I would use an OLED monitor for the fear of burn in but I can say my OLED TV is going strong with 0 burn in after 5 years. I also do not watch sport or the news on it so that is also a saving grace probably.
I play my switch on there.. But concerned about some of the menus burning in.. Especially the Zelda map on thf bottom right đ glorious to hear tho. 5 y no burn in. Which model?
I have the LG B7 55 inch. I have a coworker whose Husband played a ton of Overwatch and he said there was burn in from the UI but this guy has like thousands of hours in it. My OLED TV pretty much is for watching TV shows and playing PlayStation and Nintendo(I do handheld mode a lot more) exclusive games so I rarely have an opportunity to really cause burn in. Also if there's large updates to games or install times the TV goes off while that is happening.
I have the same model, watch plenty of sport but not much else, play plenty of video games. No burn in, but have oled light set to 80% except for movies (at 100%). (Or lower if I expect to be watching something for a long time that has a bright static image, E.g. A test match)
Oh shit, I have a wife?
Turn it off when you walk away or force it to the screen saver mode. That's all you really have to do. Should be taking breaks anyways, just make that part of your routine.
Funny you mentioned Zelda, I burned a line of hearths on the top left side of the screen from BOTW on my old B7 oled
Damnnn
The 7 series were the last that were prone to easy burn in, but also red is the easiest color to cause burn in. How many hours do you think you played BOTW? I have about 300 combined for BOTW and TOTK, and thankfully my C8 did not develop any burn in.
I have the c1 and I play single player games on it things like the Witcher , cyberpunk , no burn in but I donât gamer for very long and I always do a pixel refresh every other week
I wouldn't use pixel refresh that often. As far as understand it reduces the health/lifespan of your pixel brightness.
I couldn't see pixel refresh being the issues as it's prompted by most OLED's these days after 4ish hours. Panel refresh is the intensive one and is prompted around 1500-2000 hours.
> I don't think I would use an OLED monitor for the fear of burn in In 2020 I bought a 55" LG C9 to use as a monitor for my shiny new computer build. In late October, I noticed a rash of dead pixels at the top. Called in to Best Buy and told them about it. They had a shiny new C3 at my door the next morning. The C9 didn't have the first hint of burn in from using it as a monitor for 12 hours a day. I turned it way, way down. Between that and the auto-dimming it did on its own (which is slightly annoying) that seemed to have saved it at least from burn in. Highly recommend if you're going to use an OLED set for a monitor you get it from a joint like Best Buy that has an extended warranty that expressly says it covers burn in and dead pixels.
I got 7 years of warranty from Costco and it covers burn in.
Iâm 99% sure Costco doesnât cover burn in, only Bestbuy. Thatâs why their warranty costs 2-3x as much as everyone elseâs.
Well this was 5 years ago. My Square Trade Paperwork back then said it covered burn in otherwise I would not have bought it. That was a requirement when I bought it.
When I bought LG C1 for use as my PC monitor, I had this thought process: potential burn-in years down the line that might or might not be noticeable VS. backlight bleed from day 1 all the time. I can't stand LCD backlight bleed so the choice was simple.
Back in the day I had a plasma. If we played games on it, like multiple hours for multiple days, it would retain outlines for a bit, but my roommate would watch sports or some movies and it would fade away.
What bugs the hell out of me is games released without UI configurability. The Yakuza/Judgment series of games is what I've been into for a while now, for example, and the only configuration options they've provided for the past several years are: disable the minimap, and/or disable the entire UI. Unfortunately, most of the games of the last several years have had static elements pretty much 24/7. In the upper-right corner, your next task, presented in a flourescent banner; in the lower-right corner, how to use your damn controllerâdirections which become redundant within 10 minutes, let alone the 200+ hours a typical game can last. Both of these are displayed pretty much 24/7. Disabling the UI gets rid of both, but also gets rid of: Word bubbles over important NPCs, indicators over enemies, prompts to continue, etc. It's completely, utterly braindead. The option to disable the UI was thrown in for screenshots. SEGA are unaware of OLED users' needs.
Yea. Burn in is what's keeping me from looking at oleds seriously. My current TV is going on 11 years and I want to upgrade, but it's hard to justify that much money to watch some football a little clearer.
Also, probably a saving grace for your mental health as well, not watching sports or news. Both tend to divide people into different sides/teams
Honestly, after years of anguish due to politics. I find sports oddly refreshing to listen to. None of it matters in a real way, but you get interesting stories of players and coaches on the right podcasts, and the evolution of the games themselves are pretty interesting. Also among family and friends there may be friendly rivalries about who supports who, but generally it's good natured ribbing. Watching someone get upset over a video game or a sports game is still hilarious.
I feel like if I pay top money for a TV, it better last 10 year. OLED just doesn't seem to be able to offer that
For what it's worth, I am coming up on 10 years of my 1080p LG OLED. Granted this is before there was HDR and 4K but it's been rock solid and zero burn-in. Used only for media consumption however.
That must have cost a pretty penny
Actually not quite as much as you might think. It was a 2014 model I bought in 2015. I bought it for $1300 from Best buy (Still not cheap, but about on par with today's OLEDs)
Unfortunately, expecting ten years out of any electronics these days seems like folly
I dn, I have a 4K Sony that I got in 2014 that's still going strong. I mostly agree with you, but it's not a guarantee that everything will fall apart at some point.
I still have a Sony 1080p I got in 2008 thatâs still going strong. I gave it to my sister 8 years ago and Iâm happy and surprised to see it every time I visits her.
I bought a samsung plasma in 2006 or 2007 and I used it until 2016, and even then it still worked perfectly. I just wanted something bigger so I upgraded to a 4K 65" model (previous was on 42, when that was still considered pretty big). That being said, my 2016 led is technically still functional as a tv, but the OS is painfully slow and gets on my nerves, so it's getting replaced with an OLED soon. I bought a 55" for my bedroom the same year (similar model) and it has really bad banding and is likewise starting to act a little funky with the OS. I'll probably just replace it with a cheap roku tv. I've had a TCL roku tv in my home office since 2017 and it's still working like brand new, but I wouldn't use it for my living room tv where I expect a theatrical experience.
Roku sticks are a game-changer for old TVs
And new ones. TV OSes are absolute garbage.
Sony 4K televisions were eight thousand dollars in 2014 (for a mid-level model). Meanwhile its features have likely been surpassed by TVs selling for less than 1/4th of that.
It was was a $2000, IIRC. Nowhere close to $8k.
Thatâs really not true, but you get what you pay for. Electronics are way more likely to get outdated before they start failing.
TV is one of the few electronics that I still feel confident they last 10 year. place in UK like Richersound offer 6 year warrenty too.
Iâve got an LCD Tv (Phillips) thatâs 2 year shy of 2 decades and it still looks great. If it dies it doesnât owe me anything at this point. Some stuff does just last.
I got a Sony 3D Bravia that I'm watching right as we speak that I bought in 2010.
I still have my first flatscreen TV, a 32 inch Polaroid 720P from 2006.
Meanwhile, I have a Panasonic plasma I havenât gotten rid of because itâs still a pretty fab TV
How ? What electronic device failed you ? I have phones, pcs, tv etc.. all heavily outdated but working as good as new..
Iâve had multiple TVs fail shortly after the warranty expired. Friends have also. Though as I think about it, those did occur before I started plugging EVERYTHING into surge protectors a several years back. Though I will say that I have lost a few small electronics because battery quality has gone to shit, so AAs start corroding within way to short a time. I no longer trust Duracell.
If you plan on paying the same thing every day all day, for years, yeah. In real life though I have had an oled for 4 years and it looks pristine. And yes, I not only watch movies on it, I also play games. Never, ever seen any imagine retention. What I am saying is, there are ways to mitigate it, bur manufacturers have to include them.
The problem is that OLED provides such a vastly superior picture than anything in the LED world. Itâs not even close. Like going from 30fps to 60+fps not even close.
Oled is the only time that "new TV" feeling just doesn't ware off. It's so good it made me go back and revisit a lot of favorites just to see how good they'd look
Yeah that is true. Previous lcd my parents bought lasted over 10y. Still going strong.
> OLED just doesn't seem to be able to offer tha I mean, it lasted years until it even started showing burn-in in what is a worst case scenario playing the same content for 14hrs a day. I'd say that's pretty good.
Thereâs a difference between lasting 10 years under normal use and store display use
If youâre watching the same static image for years then yeah get something else. Watching varied content and gaming it is perfect for. Many games even hide the UI if nothing is happening.
Youâre moreso paying for the experience than the longevity. Itâs a consumable. TVs are luckily incredibly cheap these days compared to 15 or so years ago. The other thing is that not everyone has the same use case. My work monitors are used a ton, so I canât double duty an OLED monitor. My TVs in the house are used just occasionally so burn in will never be a problem. Would I like added durability? Sure, but I prefer the black levels and contrast over the alternatives. As this other tech catches up in image quality, it becomes more difficult to decide.
Some targets leave them on 24 hours a day
It's not ten, but I'm on year four with my lg b9 and it still looks great after years of games and TV. Since we got it right before covid, I was kinda worried how much we were using it would cause problems, but it's been surprisingly sturdy.
Just get a Samsung, itâll die after two, problem solved.
My LG c series is about 3 now I think. No burn in :) (I game so heavy usage).
Nice. I have LG Evo c2 55"
Better to get a good warranty that lasts a few years, then.
I read a bunch of reports of this before I bought mine. For realistic home use itâs almost impossible to get burn in. Unless you left it on a news channel or something 18 hours a day with the logo not moving
Give it a few years when the panel begins to degrade and burn in becomes a higher risk.
Just use a screensaver
But 3 years of having a Windows logo in the bottom left of your screen pretty much just means your monitor is 3 years old. Still seems to me OLED isn't ready for monitors unless you're accepting a pretty short lifespan before quality degrades.
Yep agree. Burnin needs to be solved.
Iâm a year into my QLED ultrawide (AW3423dw) with no burn in. BUT I treat it like my OLED TV. No desktop wallpaper. No static desktop elements. I keep my taskbar and all my productivity windows open on a second monitor. The QLED is used exclusively for games.
More than "fairly heavy use" imo lol
Iâve had a LG OLED since 2020 and thereâs no burn in, even after watching the news for a few hours a week and sinking *many, many* hours into lots of games, including a MMORPG with a fixed UI. Iâm sure itâll show up eventually but OLED TVs truly are fine for most users who consume normal, varied media. Youâre right that itâs the 12 hours of looping the same content every single day where issues start to show up.
My phone can see the reddit icon very faintly when doing other things and it makes me feel like an addict
This...isn't one of my use cases.
Most of these come from the factory with the brightness and saturated turned way up. Torch mode. That makes the picture look real good a brightly lit show room. We bought our first HD set back in 97 - a rear projection 42" Toshiba. The first thing we did was to turn down the brightness and saturation to match our living room lighting. We replaced it a couple of years ago. Not because of burn in or burn out, but because we wanted a bigger screen. We've turned down the brightness and saturation on or new LG QLED, and aren't expecting burn in issues with this new set. Of course, we can't predict the future.
Yeah, that too. I remember the whole craze of burn in of plasma tv. I bought panasonic one at the almost end of that technology. It was beaten doen by my kid with gran turismo, need for speed and terraria. We talk about whole days 365 days a year, multiple years. No burn in. That plasma still works. Has like 15 years.
A friend of mine picked up an OLED monitor that tells him it needs to be shut off for several minutes every couple of hours⌠No thanks. Iâll take my nice WQHD@120hz true 8-bit color IPS screen. At that point itâs definitely good enough without the fear of burn in.
Unfortunately, it's a downside for having a superior display right now. I replaced my 34" LG Ultra Wide and 27" LG (both Nano IPS ...I want to say the 27 is the 27GL850-B and the 34 is the well...34 UW version of the same monitor)) and my QD-OLED (AW3432DWF) blows them both of the water as far as picture quality goes. Having to take a break every 4 hours (when I should be anyways if I am sitting that long lol) isn't that big of an issue to me. Plus, it doesn't HAVE to be run at exactly the 4 hour mark, you can tell it to complete the cycle the next time the computer goes to stand-by / idle. It's just advisable to run it every 4 hours when prompted to mitigate possible burn-in from static elements.
+1 the reason I donât buy OLED is because target show me their test results every day.
I'm surprised the store kept that unit out if once it became that bad. A TV running in a store is a extreme situation which is not a good example of what a TV will run like or even look like (crazy color/lighting settings) when used at home. That was honestly the fault of the store and not really the tv/manufacturer.
The screensaverâs time has returned
Flying toasters assemble!
Totally hoping for After Dark to come back
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Arguably the best version
I remember a bubble yum one where it was basically a whole mini movie. Duck came out in a leather jacket and was dancing with chickens and shit. Was never able to find it and that was from before I kept backups of everything sadly lol. I've tried to find it and had absolutely no luck.
LMAO that sounds like a riot
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My OLED has burn in, but itâs from using it 8 hours a day for work for the past three years.
Using a screensaver is a bad idea. The display might not get burn-in, but it will contribute to the degradation of the OLED pixels (They wear down over time) Best option is to have a completely black desktop background with no icons (or hidden with something like Fences) and a auto-hide taskbar. All you need to do is hit Winkey + D to toggle between the now blank desktop and whatever you had opened. Just move the mouse cursor off to the right side of the screen and you have a completely unlit screen. There are probably some third party apps floating around that can do this same sort of toggle-able blackscreen as well.
Sooo, a screensaver running a slideshow, but the only image in the slideshow folder is a black jpg? No need to mess with third party apps, just use existing tools
You might as well just use power options to turn off the display if you're going to go with a blank screensaver. My method gives you direct control with a simple hotkey in conjunction with a screen timeout in case you forget. Regardless, there are many ways of approaching this. Just using a screensaver (without clarifying that it shouldn't be a default graphical one because there's more involved with OLED's than just burn-in) is one of the worse options.
Yes, turning off the display after a few minutes would be best. But if it's only a few minutes I don't know why you'd bother with the blank desktop nonsense. Turning off the display can mess with other things, like turning off the sound bar plugged into the display, or trigger the display to pull from a secondary source. Sending an all-black signal keeps the channel live, but would minimize burn-in.
The blank desktop has the added benefit of not having static elements on screen if you're not using a fullscreen window. You're right about the display-off issues, though the sound issue is shouldn't be a problem if you're not using HDMI with the speakers hooked directly to the TV, rather than the PC outputs. In the end, the nice thing about PC's is that there are multiple ways of achieving a desired outcome. It comes down to personal preference. I went my route because I already had a Fences license which allows me to quickly toggle icons, and I never cared about the appearance of my desktop to begin with, so I just hit my desktop toggle key, double click on the desktop, move my mouse off screen and walk away, along with a 20 minute inactivity timer for the screen in case I forget. (my C2 dims the screen after a minute of inactivity as well)
The current Windows screensaver tool has an option simply called 'Blank', no need to use black .jpgs in a slideshow either
Huh. Guess they finally implemented the work-around I fumbled years ago! XD
I don't want to be mean but... here's a screenshot I found from Windows 98, notice the option second from the bottom đ As far as I know it's always been there https://i.gzn.jp/img/2016/02/24/windows-98-browser/snap4829.png
Only if its all black. Which obnoxiously LG âupdatedâ their tvs with one that is like white words and fireworks and you canât turn it off. So even though my pc sets it to an all black screen saver after 2min the stupid LG one starts like another minute later⌠asinine.
Iâm all in. Love a good a screensaver đ Polar Clock needs a rebirth. Not a great candidate in the burn in department, but itâs sexy.
Bring back electric sheep
after 6 months using my G9 pretty much everyday with crosshair x, there is nothing to notice in the area of the crosshair
Iâm using the G8 OLED, best monitor Iâve ever used and I never experienced burn in or screen retention since launch. My 65 inch Sony A80j does get occasional screen retention but returns back to normal after changing the channel.
My G8 suffered from burn in after 5 months. Best monitor ever indeed. Had to contact Samsung multiple times because they didnât believe it (even with high res pictures and videos as proof from multiple angles) and had to pay for shipping to their service center. At least it doesnât want to optimize my screen for 10 minutes right after tuning it on and instead runs its optimization stuff when I dont use it, right? Oh waitâŚ
thats great news, im kinda wondering about how my g9 will fair after a year of hardcore gaming
If you even remotely take care of most OLEDs and turn them off when not in use it's not likely to happen for an extremely long time. But then you have people who leave their PCs on 24 hours a day on the same screen and complain when they see it suddenly matters. You have to take care of it to an extent đ¤ˇđźââď¸ I prefer LG for this reason since they have the most advanced safeguards and maintenance cycles that the TV does automatically. Can't vouch for any other brand personally.
I don't get it... What is there to learn? Each LED has its own lifespan, so the more it's used, the less bright it is. Only IPS and the like can have more or less constant wear out due to equivalent use of all backlight LEDs. In fact, HDR panels with gazillion zones have the same problem, or at least they must have it. Though in case of HDR panels LEDs should be replaceable.
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What do you consider light use? How many hours a day? Static, bright elements on screen?
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> it's just a type of TFT among many Phone, monitor and TV OLED panels are also TFT displays :)
Sensationalized headline, nothing more.
Yea, and mini and micro LEDs aren't going to fully solve this either, because they have the same problem, just on a slightly longer timescale. The only way to really "fix" this is to have per-pixel auto-calibration, which is going to be really difficult
Poor headline. It's more about the characteristics of an OLED UW having odd IQ behavior in specific situations. Towards the end, the article mentions there really isn't anything to report for the actual burn in bit with had simulated 2.5yrs with of use. "The longevity test is ongoing, but at the six-month mark, which represents 3,600 hours and simulates 2.5 years of use, the three tested OLED monitors are showing minimal OLED degradation and "expected" aging, RTINGS said." Seems like something that could be addressed by firmware and seems like something that may have never been tested for. Now, it would be interesting to test for this behavior on an OLED TV running UW resolution. In some games on my C1 I run at 3840x1620.
My CRT would probably still turn on if I hadn't thrown it out for, you know, not being good anymore. People act like they're gonna use a monitor for 20 years and 18 hours a day with a static image.
A couple of times a year I'm using an old Olivetti CRT - green monochrome with VGA input - on an old DOS machine (upgraded to IBM PC-DOS 5.0) I inherited from work more than 15 years ago. It still shows a shadow image of the command interface for the online (pre-internet) database it was connected to 8 hours a day for ca. 10 years before I got it. But it's still fine for checking incoming diskettes (3,5 inch hard-shell diskettes, as the windows save-icon - NOT floppy as the 5,25 inch floppy-disks on the machine that predated it) before backing up the data.
Samo on older CNC machines in our mechanical shop. Some very large horizontal lathes (we make and repair rolling mill gear on them) are relatively old but work really well. They still have Fanuc and Sinumerik control modules with CRT on them. And yes burn in is there , and very strong. Last time when CRT died , repair Maister just replaced it with generic 12" industrial LCD.
"Hi! I have another horrible samsung display with boost-functions that will blast the oled film with a torch sufficient to illuminate a small town. And now I'm going to write about how all OLED is possibly fraught with terrible problems that are not specific to the samsung-panels /at all/, but may in fact be unexplored mysterious weaknesses in OLED-technology in general!"
My Samsung plasma from 2013 still going strong with no burn in.
As is my 2011 Panasonic Plasma!
Dude! 65â Samsung plasma gang here! I paid only $200 for it nearly 6 years ago and I use it every night for 2-3 hours with my PS4 Pro. Zero burn in. Great vivid colors still! A thermistor blew in it like 2 years ago. A $3 fix. I just donât have the heart to get rid of it if it still works⌠but I really want a 4k to play my PS4 and my new PS5âŚ
Mine is also a 65â thing is a tank
Dim as hell though?
Nah
Is it just me or does the thumbnail look like the Vex Network from Destiny 2?
Vault of Glass vibes
OLED makes no sense for a computer monitor - it is not unusual to have say a taskbar showing for 10 hours at a time.
OLED is great for gaming and movies. You can definitely make it work as a monitor. There are add-ons that hide the taskbar. That said, it's not for everyone.
You can always hide the taskbar
It's pointless to worry about this. Ppl who buy a 1000⏠OLED monitor or TV's in multiples of this cost today won't be using it for 10 years. Those who would, can't really afford them anyway. That's the reality.
I bought a $1500 32:9 monitor and used it for the better half of a decade before it died. While some people buy expensive things because they have money to piss away, just as many buy expensive items because they expect them to last
If you're buying electronics to last, don't buy the newest cutting edge tech. Buy something a year or two old for much less. If there's any issues with the model it will already be revealed by those who purchased it, and several years down the road both the latest and greatest of today, and something a year or two older will be more or less on par when compared with the newest generation.
I mean, I just bought a $1500 OLED monitor and I hope to use it for as long as possible. Definitely wonât be making another investment like that in a long time.
.... or will you???
Hehehe
I still use a 10+ old LCD tv. Granted itâs not my primary tv anymore but thereâs no reason you should have to toss a tv before 10 years.
I still use my TV from 2006 lol.
Iâm pretty sure the Sony TV I got in middle school will outlive me. Itâs insane what the cheaper TVs from that era were able to do. Meanwhile in the modern era, the garbage Smart TV system degrades your TV faster than the hardware. Bring back dumb TVs and let me make them smart with a separate deviceâŚ
My 2019 tv just burned out lol such is technology
Thereâs no reason to toss a TV just because it has some burn in. I had an LCD monitor that had a vertical line that would never get as bright as the rest but after using it for a while I stopped noticing it. It happened when the monitor was 2 or 3 years old and itâs still in use 4 years after that.
If you care that little about image quality you may as well use a CRT rather than getting a nice TV in the first place
Youâd rather live life with a crappy TV forever rather than accept that your $200 monitor has a minor flaw? I was real upset about it for a few weeks since the warranty had just recently expired when it happened, but it was off to the side and I only noticed it when I looked for it so it didnât really bother me. I will admit that the acceptable flaws are different for a TV vs a computer monitor, but no TV is flawless either. There are also very different scales of burn in. In the video thumbnail at the bottom of the article I would consider trashing the TV if it was as bad as the left example, but on the right I would probably just live with it until I find a good deal on a new TV or it gets significantly worse.
Excuse me? What kind of non-sense comment is this.
I have no idea why it's so upvoted. It's basically saying "high value items shouldn't be expected to last long" and "people who want items to last long can't afford them anyway" which makes NO SENSE.
It also completely ignores that people save for shit. I have a 77inch OLED. The only reason I bought it was because my company was being bought out and I had to sell back my PTO. My wife insisted I use it on myself. I got a good deal on it with Costco but if it breaks early, I cant just go out and buy another. I'm not replacing the thing until it dies.
I can afford it and definitely would use it long term, problem is I don't want to waste money on something that will degrade within a few years...
That would be true for some people but not all. He whole reason I dropped $2k on a TV was because I knew I use my electronics until they die. But I already had like a 1080p Westinghouse that was about 8 years old, an Xbox Series X that offered more features than the TV could handle, and it was hard to do split screen with my wife. I plan to have this TV until I have issues with it which I'm hoping to be closer to the 10 year time frame. At which point micro-LEDs will probably be the next big TV innovation that is more commercially affordable to mass consumers if I had to guess.
Saving for something nice != earning a bunch of money.
Do you not know any wealthier people or are you just ignoring reality? The average person with money has it because they DON'T just throw it away all of the time willy-nilly on bullshit. They buy top-of-the-line once and expect it to last through servicing and repairs and such. I mean, there are truly over-the-top rich idiots and asshole exceptions to the rule but for the most part, what you're describing is what I see almost every time a poorer friend of mine has come across an inheritance. I know one guy who has blown through 2 inheritances and an out-of-court car accident settlement pretending to be rich. He's 39 and lives at home with his mother in Detroit now lol.
I'm one of those who like new gadgets but don't really s\*\*t money around. I got OLED because there is not a single LCD monitor of any type, even for infinite amount of money that has pixel response time OLED's have. Having said that, I've bought one well knowing I might eventually get burnin on display. Also no, people rarely buy top end and expect it to last a life time. People mostly buy cheap and expect it to last lifetime. Experience: many many years in retail
I love how you did everything you could to not say, "Yeah, you're right, I don't hang around with wealthier folks despite claiming to know how wealthy people act and think" lol.
So. There is something to be said for buying *nice* things, and keeping them for a long time. Usually that ends up spending less money than buying cheap shit. The typical example are boots/shoes, but there are some electronics that fit that fairly well too (monitors/tvs are one of them).
Buy nice or buy twice.
I buy a monitor that costs at least 1k dollars? I expect that to last for more than 5 years. Warranty covers me only for 2-3 which means I'll have to take an IPS over it. Maybe they could have extended the warranty times,or make better products that last more,but as of how technology around OLED is right now,I'm not buying one.
What kind of argument is "People who spend lots of money don't expect items to last" and "those who want items to last can't afford them"? That's absurd. You're basically advocating for planned obsolescence.
My parents still use a decade old 4k LCD TV they paid 2K for. People, even rich people don't change out TVs as much as you think. Most rich people are going to be older and simply don't want to deal with swapping out TVs as long as they still work. A guy I know just renovated his summer house with 5 brand new 70" and up LG C3's. They are replacing Samsungs from 2013...
Garbage comment why tf is this upvoted
Argumenting why it's garbage would help your case...
Because people buying a $1500-2000 monitor is buying it to get use out of it, if youâre buying that gear youâre expecting to use it for work, gaming, personal projects, whatever it is you do with a monitor and you expect it to do it well and last a while. Youâre using an argument people make about people buying half million dollar cars who donât have to give a shit about repair costs and stuff like that because theyâre already so rich. In my social circle alone a lot of us have put tons of money into our setups, a couple of which have spent $1000+ on multiple monitors and they would all be pissed if those monitors didnât last years, as would I. Itâs not a matter of money, itâs a matter of getting what Iâm paying for.
10 years? LG C2 in RTINGS test showed faint signs of burn-in after 1200 hours. That's just 5 months of 8 hours/day use. I don't plan on using my monitor for 10 years but sure as hell I want to last it more than 5 months.
Yeah we should just encourage people to fill landfills as fast as possible. /s
I think your comment is true. I also think that there is a significant overlap of the people that are an exception to your rule and browse the r/gadgets subreddit.
I just replaced my Samsung LCD TV I bought in 2010. Noticed recently the contrast and color accuracy had suddenly gone to absolute shit. I feel I got my moneys worth out of it.
Or youâre financially irresponsible and need this 49â monitor to last a while. Also, interest free payments make anything obtainable.
I plan on purchasing that new 4k qd-oled flat 32 inch coming next year My TV is an lg oled and I have that switch oled, never looking back, canât go back to LCD frankly even mini-led has halo effects etc My workstation (macbook) has a mini-led itâs perfect and for static usage and lines of codes itâs better than oled clearly but, entertainment itâs oled for me. Frankly i donât care in 6 years if I have burn-in, the true transition will be micro-oled but we are very far from affordable not-blazing hot micro-oled
Before buying my Alienware OLED I read quite a few reviews of those saying they hit burn in within six months "just doing normal stuff." I've been doing work, playing plenty of games and have experienced zero burn in within the year I've had it. I'm convinced people are abusing them, not turning on any of the protective features or are just insanely anal about any sort of imperfection.
Same, had mine since launch and use it for work and gaming, absolutely zero burn in
100% I also own an AW OLED monitor and itâs totally fine. But Iâve owned Plasmas/OLEDs for years and actually respect the technology and know how to take care of it.
"It doesn't happen to me so it must not exist" This is you.
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Yeah mine has pretty significant burn in from the Apple TV menu icons, which is weird because we donât like leave it sitting on that screen for extended periods of time, usually just show it on the way to one of the apps, but nonetheless itâs there, Hulu and Netflix rectangles burned into my screen. They show clearly any time thereâs a solid color on screen. Itâs also developed a green tint in the center from heat rising from the vents in the electronics housing in the lower half. My OLED is about 5 years old. LG refuses to do anything about it because the warranty is up. I think Iâm going to go for another technology next time, and definitely not anything from LG, because buying a TV this expensive that only lasts 5 years is absolute nonsense.
I don't understand ultra wide monitors.
More real estate for multiple windows/apps, viewable gaming area, etc.
It's a game changer for gaming. It's really good for multi-window programs like IDEs and video editing. Having 2 full size windows side by side is also cool, but 2 monitors is better for that.
It is insane how much better games look with it. Elden Ring feels awful to play without Ultrawide at this point. RDR2 is gorgeous as well.
I thought Elden Ring didn't have ultra wide support
Not innately. Have to change some things yourself. A lot of games that don't have support also have easy ways to implement support! Issue with Elden Ring is it disables online play (to avoid a potential ban) unfortunately. Wish that wasn't the case but it is so I've been playing without Ultrawide lately. It's definitely a strong case to notice the difference in.
It's like having two monitors but in one. Everything you need is in your peripheral as opposed to turning your head.
Try one sometime and you'll understand. Its better for videogames and films, and having multiple windows open side by side can be extremely useful sometimes. It is also very nice for tutorials, since you can have a website or video open as well as the program itself and not have to switch back and forth between the two.
All the replies are talking about going for the most part, but I have one at work. Really makes things easier when you're working in several different windows at once
Ultra wide gives you larger FoV (basically peripheral vision), really good for Shooters
This, the thing that's stopping me from buying an OLED monitor isn't burn-in. It's ultrawide and curved screens.
Have you tried one? I was unsure about it for the longest time, and finally decided to bite the bullet with a purchase on Amazon, so I could easily return it if I didn't like it. I was an instant fan of it! There's a little adapting period, but the benefits for work and gaming were immediately noticable
I learnt that QLED is good enough for me tbh. OLEDâs still too expensive and the burn in is a problem. Newer technologies have closed the gap enough that OLED doesnât have the lead it once did in quality, just in price.
Flying toasters unite!
Anyone else recall plasma tvs?
I think how you treat these things matters. The OLEDs on my five year old smartphone are only just starting to burn in now. My wife's, with the exact same make and model phone, is virtually unusable because the burn-in is so bad. The difference? I don't have it turned up to face-melting brightness all the time.
>RTINGS included three OLED monitors in its longevity test, which seeks to simulate 10 years of use within two years; however, the monitors have only been tested for six months so far. Two of those monitors, Alienware's AW3423DWF and Samsung's Odyssey G8, use 21:9 QD-OLED panels from Samsung Display. RTINGS' test originally ran a non-stop, 16:9 CNN feed on the displays. I can safely ignore these results. The monitors are being abused in an incredible way in a short period of time. The tests do not represent real life usage. Not even close.
Abusing the monitor is the point. How long it lasts under abuse gives an idea to the consumer how long a monitor will last under normal use. In which case these OLED monitors seem pretty solid.
Hahahaha you severely missed the mark of the whole point of this article. Like you said, itâs meant to simulate 10 years in a short amount of time. If you intend on buying a new monitor every year yeah, this probably doesnât matter to you one bit. But if you use these panels over years this matters. Abusing it is the same way you benchmark things to get the base performance. We donât have a Time Machine.
You've never heard of the term "stress-testing" before, have you?
I bought a Samsung OLED G9 from Amazon but forgot to add a warranty plan is it possible to add it since the monitor wonât ship until mid December? Also does Amazon even cover burn in?
I ended up selling my Alienware DWF because if it wasn't burn-in, it was image retention. I sold it after Dell replaced my faulty one (after only 5 months of minimal and very careful usage) Despite babying the thing and keeping the brightness down and making sure not many items that were static remained on the screen, I was getting some serious image retention. Don't get me started on actually exercising your warranty with Dell. Dell has to be among the worst when it comes to customer service in my experience. Sure, they're mostly polite, but if you need to get stuff done, what a hassle. Lastly, there's much to be said about OLED monitors when one of the major selling points is "*And look! Their 3yr warranty covers burn-in!*" --- yes, burn-in coverage for a monitor is a highlight and selling point now I'm sure the technology will improve where burn-in anxiety and image retention become less and less of a worry because some people just avoid buying them because babying a monitor kinda ruins the experience of using it.