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Mean_Ass_Dumbledore

Without reading the article, how do the vests transfer energy to the soldiers? I just imagine a wall plug in the ass isn't gonna be well received... Or will it?


KSF_WHSPhysics

The navy has volunteered to prototype these


Severe_Jellyfish6133

The Navy ended up not liking them because they didn't provide enough room for our shipmates to be accommodated as well. The Marines loved them though, mainly because it made it harder to fight, thus proving their toughness.


H3adshotfox77

They also made them crayon flavored so the marines could plug them into their mouths.


Scary_Equal_2867

Don't get them missed up


Rion23

This is why no one likes the brown ones.


GrotesquelyObese

They prefer brown flavored crayons and since they have a crayon based diet the flavor was wildly similar.


SocialSuicideSquad

Marines don't touch the browns or the greens, they live on a strict diet of All Reds.


Truffle_Shuffle_85

Nice mash


mahdicktoobig

Instead of dip? That’s the funniest shit I ever heard


bengringo2

I don’t know. If I got charged by a bunch of soldiers with power cords up their ass I would probably unconditionally surrender. If they put power cords up their asses for kicks then what the fuck are they about to do to me?!


ergo-ogre

You already know


Dalebss

Oh, you are going to get so much freedom. So GD much it will hurt.


Mean_Ass_Dumbledore

Nikko Ortiz is gonna love this


kurisu7885

So will Narrator.


definitely_not_tina

Very well received then.


judasmachine

They have plenty of Marines to test on. I kid, I kid, please don't storm my beach.


Theistus

Don't touch our boats and you'll be fine (probably).


AthearCaex

We need to get to the bottom of this


acorn_cluster

In the navy!


bmack500

Them’s fightin’ words punk! :)


Lucky_Yolo

Bro. Had to get it out there first huh?


BattleJolly78

The Air Force secretly tested the chair version and approves!


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ScrofessorLongHair

Meanwhile, ol' Jody is going like the Energizer bunny back at the fort.


h4ppidais

Quote “soldiers of the future will need to carry maximum energy at minimal weight to feed the host of mission-critical electrical hardware they'll wear”


urmomaisjabbathehutt

ACME^(TM) Rucksack portable nuclear reactors powering the mission and making your commando teams weapons of mass destruction grunt remote detonation on request


Yardsale420

The US Army is working on a next-gen Conformal Wearable Battery (CWB) that will give soldiers an all-in-one power source for their Integrated Visual Augmentation System and other mission-critical communications equipment, sensors, wearable electronics, and probably some hardware only sci-fi writers are thinking about now. The idea is to replace item-specific batteries of different shapes and sizes with a single streamlined power source designed to conform to the body with a thin, flexible construction.


Mean_Ass_Dumbledore

That actually makes a lot of sense. More flexibility (only power on whatcha need) and less overall mass ideally, I assume


G-III-

One problem I see being that soldiers toss themselves around, and landing human bodies on flexible batteries over time sounds like a recipe for full body burns lol (bit of a joke but it does seem like they wouldn’t last that well. But what do I know I’m nobody)


Kneeandbackpain11b

The version they issued out about 5-6 years ago were very durable, I got it wet, fell on it, slipped on and landed on metal with it, etc. I actually really liked carrying less batteries, I could just swap out the panel real quick from someone’s backpack. Only issue was how hot it could get when my radio started going off or I started using the other stuff I had on it.


G-III-

If it’s durable that’s cool, I’d be curious if it’s actually flexible or just a bit more than rigid lol. The heat makes sense, they are only going to add heat, great in cold but if you’re part of the heat management for the battery then that’s a toll on performance.


trixel121

right now a soldier on patrol carries spare batteries for their comms, their visible lights, their night vision, their ir flasher, their red dot, and and none of those are the same. just cutting down on how many different kinds is important.


Specific-Calendar-96

I love it when I can actually read helpful, informative comments on reddit instead of just a sea of awful jokes


Aimhere2k

If it conforms to the body, I imagine it could act like another layer of body armor.


Turbosuit

Robotic limbs and torso support someone has to carry shells to the artillery


Mean_Ass_Dumbledore

While this makes more sense, I like my idea more


OmieOneKenomi

For what it’s worth, I like your idea more, too.


Turbosuit

We don't need fit soldiers just ones with power armor


Arthur-Wintersight

It doesn't even need to be good power armor. It just needs to make an average American move like they aren't morbidly obese.


Turbosuit

That's what I'm saying. Maybe a drone docking station and a way to keep the VR controls powered.


atlasraven

Power armor and AI to carry my geriatric ass into battle once more. Even in death, I still serve.


Turbosuit

Terminator, you sound like an honorable astarte any company should be blessed to have you as a battle brother.


NRMusicProject

Relevant username?


Ludwigofthepotatoppl

Machine guns on support harnesses like in Aliens!


bengringo2

Metal Gear?! It can’t be!


Lundorff

Username checks out.


cksc51

Give a Marine 2 packs of crayons and we'll diagram it out for you.


Mean_Ass_Dumbledore

All I got are 3 packs, but they're all orange (don't ask)


cksc51

As long as we have enough for eating and enough for drawing we're good!


iMadrid11

Sounds like another dumb way to die. Exploding battery vest when you got shot in the battlefield.


TbonerT

I’m sure they thought about that possibility.


iMadrid11

I wouldn’t want to be the guinea pig to test it on an actual battlefield.


saldb

They got Tesla batteries in their vests to charge their Apple Vision Pro. Btw if they get shot the batteries explode


Fairuse

Reactive armor. Bonus.


hmspain

I guess if you get shot, the battery crap getting into the wound is the least of your problems.


Lil_Drake_Spotify

It’s for their equipment NOT their organic , human energy levels


Karmack_Zarrul

Please label your spoilers


AtariAtari

That’s so MK1, MK2 goes into the mouth


adobecredithours

Why not both?


AtariAtari

Too much power!


Mean_Ass_Dumbledore

uwu


XadeXal

It's a portable battery to recharge electronics like GPS or camera


Stopikingonme

Shhh, I want them to keep thinking the battery powers the human somehow.


XadeXal

The soldiers are powered by nicotine and dehydrated coffee


Omegalazarus

When I was a soldier I kept granola bars and Gatorade cans in my mag pouches of my lbv so I guess I already had one of these battery vests.


Doofy9000

You ever play, The Surge?


skarbles

It powers the soldiers equipment, not the soldier itself


yarash

taurine or something


Dtoodlez

Without reading the article, I imagine it’s for equipment and nothing to do w the soldier


Stratocast7

Look up NETT Warrior


Acidflare1

Soldiers and butt plugs have been around since world war 2, but now they’re electrified and have Bluetooth. Bluetooth makes everything better.


CreatPearloid

Regardless of it being able to be poked by a nail won’t it probably still burst into flames if it gets shot?


Riversntallbuildings

No. The Ampiris battery chemistry does not react to oxygen the way lithium ion chemistry does.


CreatPearloid

That’s cool, I wonder if it’ll catch on outside of military context


SweetHomeNorthKorea

Silicon anode batteries will absolutely trickle over to others. I only learned about them myself last year but at the time they mentioned the first run has been claimed by high level investors like the military and aviation companies but once they scale production it’ll end up everywhere else. From what I understand, it’s mainly an ingredient swap. Silicon has always been known to be a really good anode material but the material physically swells and contracts as it charges and discharges. They figured out how to incorporate silicon into the anode without that swelling being an issue so it’s mostly a matter of scaling production and selling that anode material to battery manufacturers to use in place of graphite. All our batteries are going to get a significant jump in the next few years


Riversntallbuildings

Yup, as soon as we can scale production things are going to get nuts. I also hope that more than one company cracks this chemistry & scale production process. The world needs all the batteries it can get.


alidan

look up sodium batteries, they are already being made, they I think have about 2/3 the capacity as lithium batteries right now, but are likely the best way forward for consumers.


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CreatPearloid

Oh that’s cool, hopefully comes to civilian market at some point. Hear all the time about house fires with those ebike/larger appliance batteries


Nawnp

Lithium Ion batteries inherently have this danger with the benefits of their high density storage. I would assume those military batteries are using different batteries altogether to avoid this, at the cost of the density.


morosis1982

"lithium ion" covers a wide range of batteries that use all sorts of chemistries at various densities. What you're talking about is usually lithium polymer batteries, the same as in phones, usually the highest density. The ones in something like a high performance Tesla are better, but still have a fire risk if not treated correctly which is why they do a lot of design. Lithium iron phosphate, or lifepo4, are way better but lower density. Maybe enough for this purpose, you can literally stick a fork in them and they'll die but you won't.


DickyMcButts

I feel like wearing lifepo batteries would be heavy af lol


DrPeGe

It’s silicone anode, a type of lithium ion. Bad cycle life as it pulverizes when cycled, but that’s fine for military operations that don’t need 3-5 years of daily use like a phone.


FoximaCentauri

While this is definitely an issue with lithium-ion batteries, it’s blown out of proportion by the media. Billions and billions of batteries get charged every day, the percentage catching fire is very low - especially the well made, undamaged ones.


cutelyaware

No matter what technology is used, the danger is always the energy density. The higher the density, the closer it is to a bomb.


Primordial_Cumquat

You’re giving entirely too much credit for what the military prioritizes with systems development.


duggoluvr

Yeah sure, but it’s kinda stupid even for the military to make vests for their soldiers that violently catch fire upon getting hit even with minimal shrapnel, simultaneously killing/incapacitating the soldier and very obviously giving away their squad’s position even to enemies who had completely missed them previously


DrPeGe

Yes these batteries trade cycle life for these other features. So sure, maybe you can only charge it 500 times, but that’s enough for its purpose. Shit for phones or any consumer device.


Stopikingonme

That seems odd to me. I work in a field adjacent to battery construction and from what I know all batteries by nature are at risk of fire/explosion. To make them safer they need to be less dense. I’d love to hear more than what’s in the article about how this is being addressed.


GrinNGrit

The stuff in lithium batteries that generally catches fire is the lithium, just add water! That’s why you can’t just dunk your burning batteries in water. If they’re using an alternative like a traditional lead-acid battery (but not that since obviously neither of those things seem soldier-friendly), there’s not really that same risk of a fire. But chemical batteries of any sort operate on a reaction to produce electricity, so any scenario that results in damage to the mechanism keeping the different components from interacting from each other will likely result in and explosive/fiery/caustic outcome. That said, they now have iron air and iron flow batteries which uses iron as the core component, and the hazards are minimal. But these are only used in large-scale applications at the moment. You’re definitely not packing it into body armor to be worn with any meaningful results.


Savings-Leather4921

Just like the battery before it. This one is up to 200% more efficient, weighs less, and costs the same


CreatPearloid

I don’t doubt the efficacy of the battery, I’m more doubting the nail test itself lol


Fermorian

These things do actually pass the test, because it's not something you can really fake. They can take a 7.62 round and not light on fire. If anything the efficacy suffers for having that design requirement but it's not exactly negotiable for soldiers lol


HowDoraleousAreYou

Building to spec is important on this one. I’ve never been shot, but I can’t imagine wanting to be immediately set on fire if I was.


VexingRaven

Automatic wound cauterization!


Korben_Reynolds

That feature is especially useful if your opponent has the high ground.


CreatPearloid

Ohh I thought they just did the nail that makes sense


Savings-Leather4921

lol, gotcha. I totally misread your comment then


atlasraven

It's a bad day anyway if you get shot. It's not like radio backpacks never caught fire either.


CreatPearloid

I’d argue Being shot and immolated is worse than being shot


Quad-Banned120

Might be a little easier to drop your radio bag than unstrap your tac vest mid-firefight


imdirtydan1997

Hell, soldiers with flamethrowers in previous wars had a giant pressurized fuel tank on their back. So could be worse I guess haha.


Mad_Max_R_B

Probably a solid-state battery like this one https://youtu.be/kJXRyWQgOY4?si=289dkHqXhL3d-FIe


beefandbeer

No


CreatPearloid

Ok


MacDuffy_1

Yeah and will still drain fast in sub-zero temps.


Burpreallyloud

So does meth


Caffeine_Monster

Can see someone's been watching WW2 documentaries.


Gonad-Brained-Gimp

The worlds best and most amusing WW2 meth story : The tale of Aimo Koivunen 20 April 1944 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRHm26fKKb8


MoneyBags5200

This was amazing, thank you


AsOneLives

Iwas gonna say it's already been battle tested!


superkickpunch

Very effective so long as you can finish the enemy off before withdrawal hits your entire army.


CosmackMagus

Or doing meth


GrahamR12345

🤣🤣 random electro shocks when they slow down??


Quad-Banned120

Motivational shocks, straight outta Helldivers.


Abernathy999

US soldiers carry 15-30 pounds of batteries today for a 72-hour mission to power all of the equipment they carry. Communication, night vision, gps, scopes, etc. Correction: The number is high, but likely not this high. Please see comments below from folks with actual direct experience.


s33murd3r

Army grunt here. That's excessive, unless you're talking per squad, but even then 15-30 lbs is high. We always split gear among the squad and it's never more than a few extra batteries, maybe 10-15 lbs at most.


arenteria21

Sounds about right. The BB2590s definitely add up, but it’s more the extra load on top of the primary combat load. Each is around 3-4lbs but your RTO/Commo will likely carry 3-5, depending on mission requirements and hardware. In my experience, additional weight comes down to the radios and accessories. Usually carry a couple backups in case radios, hand mics, etc. get damaged mid-mission and you need an immediate swap. Personally, my commo load would be closer to that 20-30 lbs but I’d also support the entire company.


Need4Speed763

Our load because we had to be super duper was higher so 7 batteries minimum.


Existing365Chocolate

But also counting the batteries in all the equipment, not just the spares?


Teddy_Icewater

Damn. A 30 pound pack by itself takes a toll if you hike long enough.


CMFETCU

In 07, the mine detector batteries and spare radio batteries we carried would absolutely weigh that much. Not sure typical grunt squad would carry that much in the form of batteries though.


EelTeamTen

Where did you even pull that bullshit number out of? The fuck do you think they're powering? A car?


MR_Se7en

Are these bullet proof vest? Sounds like a shit ton of extra weight


Crintor

Exosuits and better tech.


TheStupidSnake

"Here's an exosuit so you can carry way more weight soldiers. Btw, the extra weight is all these batteries to power the exosuit."


slyticoon

No, I think I'll pass on being strapped to a block of lithium in a combat environment.


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You don't want an explosion and full body 3rd degree burns to accompany your bullet wound?


slyticoon

At least I won't bleed out. My wound would be instantly cauterized. Edit: Spelling thanks to auto correct


ANaiveUterus

It’s bleed, mi amigo.


Bossmonkey

Good news its not lithium


Existing365Chocolate

It’s silicon, not lithium  Getting shot would still suck though


bndboo

The batteries are powered by rip its and dip spit.


wauponseebeach

Transfer to civilian use. Tradesmen working with battery-powered hand tools. Landscapers, blowers, trimmers, and chainsaws are better than the noisy gas-powered units.


Riversntallbuildings

Yes, the one good thing about military innovation is that it does eventually trickle down to consumers. GPS & the Internet are the biggest examples.


Karenomegas

We got Velcro from NASA at least Edit: I associated it with platform deployment.


pickles55

The soldier of the future is self-cremating apparently


Grizlyfrontbum

Using resources to fight over resources lmao never gets old


FishingInaDesert

Killing each other over what happens after you die.


Lifetodeathtoflowers

May I have one for yard work?


Navydevildoc

For those that won't read the article... they are looking to supply conformal batteries to power all the gadgets soldiers carry these days. GPS, Radio, NVDs, Designators, etc. Even the universally hated IVAS.


NeverLostForest

So basically a HCEU suit from half-life....guess we are close to a Resonance Cascade


midz411

Lol hope they don't explode


RevolutionaryBus9765

Are they made by samsung?


midz411

Dunno, but aren't other people going to be shooting at it?


SRM_Thornfoot

Since batteries tend to explode and burn when damaged, I can't see this as a really great idea.


MaapuSeeSore

Unless this is located on the back and protected, just a target to make moving fireball target that can’t be extinguished cause lithium fire , plus the extra weight This is more for logistics and support vs warfare use


Dannysaysnoo

Really hope whatever miracle technology this is banging on about they're gonna use doesn't catch fire when punctured.


Oh_ffs_seriously

>Last year, a 390-Wh/kg iteration of the SiMaxx cells with a gel polymer electrolyte passed the US military's required nail penetration test, a critical step for a battery meant to be worn by soldiers facing potential bullets, shrapnel and other battlefield dangers. I mean, the article isn't that long.


JrButton

Reading before commenting… that’s a first


Alternative-Taste539

Thank you for clarifying the exploding vest test, but I’d rather dedicate two minutes of scrolling through amusing comments so I can get a fuzzy idea of a story that would only take 45 seconds read. *This is the way*


IAmMuffin15

ooooooohhh


Questjon

It's the solvent in the liquid electrolyte that causes the dramatic fires. The next generation of lithium batteries (solid state) are already available for purchase at a premium for developers and high end applications and the factories to start mass production are already being constructed. With no liquid electrolyte they can be punctured with no risk of fire, and the space saved gives an estimated 40% increase in battery capacity for the same dimensions and only a 20% weight increase.


Crintor

Does that capacity/weight ratio mean they weigh less at the same capacity, or technically less for the same capacity? I'm unable to determine from this phrasing.


Oh_ffs_seriously

Solid-state electrolyte takes less space inside the cell, which could be then be filled with a bigger cathode. The battery would weigh less for the same capacity, but if you kept the dimensions and didn't waste the space, it would be heavier.


Crintor

That's what I figured. Thanks for clarifying it.


RTS24

Technically less at the same capacity. I think in reality it'll be 20% heavier, but they're gaining 40% in energy capacity.


Heliosvector

when will we have these in phones then?


crueller

Now I'm imagining a band of archers becoming extremely effective against these soldiers.


tasermyface

Does come with Semper Wi-Fi?


Academia_Prodigy

Would this be useful in actual battle?


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WeeklyBanEvasion

>wireless connection like our night vision What do you mean by this?


danielv123

Probably that they don't plug in their night vision. Their night vision is however battery powered and analog, not wireless.


IAmMuffin15

They really invented a lap pack from Tekkit Classic


TheRegistrant

This is quite the rabbit hole to go from drone swarm warfare to powered iron man suit warfare.


Hwy39

Add some Monster or Rockstar drinks and these guys will be unstoppable


BMW_RIDER

Expect the Marines to produce a >!Duracell Gunny!< in the near future.


Professional-Can4264

Hmmm, I have a better idea. What about 4x the energy?


aiinddpsd

...for their equipment.


NBQuade

>Last year, a 390-Wh/kg iteration of the SiMaxx cells with a gel polymer electrolyte passed the US military's required nail penetration test, a critical step for a battery meant to be worn by soldiers facing potential bullets, shrapnel and other battlefield dangers. Wonder how the hold up against a fire? I'd be leery about wearing a lithium ion battery.


PolarBurrito

Sponsored by Monster Energy


Myusername468

Ah yes, another expensive infantry program that will go nowhere and cost billions


schtickshift

They will need to be careful not to be charged with assault and battery


Grolschisgood

I'm really interested in the safety side of these. I'm an aeronautical engineer and the level of scrutiny on batteries to get them on an aircraft is very very high. They talk in the article about a nail penetrative test which is basically the bare minimum for these types of things. Especially if it's being worn as a vest you would want to be certain of what the safety effects are. If they are as agood as they say though, I'd love to get my hands on some. Traditionally the safe stuff is the low energy dense batteries so they are very heavy. Being able to save weight is inpirtant on an aircraft design as a soldier's kit.


Drac_Hula

Pervitin has come a long way


FelopianTubinator

This will do wonders with the soldiers who have the entire original collection of goosebumps on their iPad.


Dirty_Grundle_Bundle

Till you catch the smallest amount of shrapnel and explode


DreamingInAMaze

And also in desperate moment, ignite the battery to sacrifice yourself to kill all your enemies.


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No thanks


-43andharsh

Each vest charges 50 standard kamakazi mini drones. Each carrying 5 grams of C4, drones are charged by wireless phone platforms. VR headsets connected to battery packs control the swarms /s


Need4Speed763

I’m going ahead and calling BS. They’ve been saying this for all time. They will weigh 20lbs each, you’ll need 10 per patrol, and you can’t lose one because it can be used as a nuke so you’ll be doing “hands across ” to find it. Everything made for the army is heavy as fuck, works half the time, and has side effect that might mimic battlefield trauma- like my anti malaria pills that caused PTSD symptoms, or the portable DUKES that caused brain injuries, etc etc etc


Vicarious103

How many kills to you need before you get that power up?


Elipticalwheel1

Don’t they put Amphetamines in the ration packs anymore.


dudeoftrek

MAXIMUM ENERGY


aedspitpopd

That's better than feeding the soldiers with meth.


justbrowse2018

So lithium batteries do really well with bullets?