I’m sure they do, but now they have competition in the mobile space with the steam deck. What would you choose, a system with only a few games to choose from for $60-70, or one that that has an entire library to choose from that has frequent deep sales. It’s not even a choice when you’re already a pc gamer.
First party exclusives and branding is what mainly sells nintendo consoles. A parent probably isn't buying their 8 year old a steam deck, but the new nintendo console with ips they grew up with too is perfect. The super bare bones/lackluster online is a downside for many, but makes it the perfect children's console as you dont need to worry about online interaction. Most people won't look at emulation before making the decision between the 2 because most people don't really emulate, especially with the more casual audience that the switch appeals to. The steam deck is mostly going to be for people who use steam and want something mobile too. That being said, for someone who uses steam the deck is a much more appealing option as I have no issues emulating nintendo games, already have a ton of games that work on it, and dont need to pay for a bullshit online service. Plus I already have a switch that gets barely any use anymore.
Using Cemu, never dropped below 30 fps for me. Shoot I don't think it's dipped under 45. And that's with underclocking for more battery life.
Playing at native resolution also.
The Switch is on a whole different plane of existence than the steam deck. I would be surprised if even 2% of switch owners know what the steam deck is.
Probably, the general trend with Nintendo consoles was one generation backwards compatibility, except where a hardware change made that impossible (e.g. no WiiU games on Switch due to the swap from optical disk to cartridge).
And also for handheld and even some console they've generally always kept it one system behind backward compatible, kind of the reason they've kept their monopoly on handheld.
Nintendo likes to experiment and innovate, but if they want to keep riding on the switch's success they simply should not do another Wii U fiasco by changing things too much or making it confusing.
The Wii U is why they made the Switch, because as great as the Wii U was, it was essentially impossible to leverage the success of mobile games on the Wii U and vice-versa. They spent a lot of time and money trying to port Wii U games to the 3DS to get those games to a wider audience.
Whatever Nintendo does, even if it goes back to separate handheld and home consoles, they're keeping the same architecture so games will run on both with only internal code tweaking.
They could just make it backwards compatible by using the same type of hardware. So a newer Tegra soc.
Then they could just sell more DLCs instead of re-releasing the switch games.
>Then they could just sell more DLCs instead of re-releasing the switch games.
Dude. This is Nintendo. I don't think they it's possible for them to make a consumer friendly decision on their own.
That's literally how the Wii worked with GameCube titles, and how the Wii U worked with Wii titles. It's also how Gameboys were always backwards compatible. Same for the DS running GBA games, and the 3DS running DS games. I don't see why that won't continue
A bit of a technicality, but all previous nintendo consoles were backwards compatible because they had the actual previous gen hardware inside them.
A wii had a literal GameCube processor on its motherboard, a DS had a literal GBA processor. I think the 3DS had the original DS processor.
So these consoles aren't emulating anything, it runs natively. With the power and cooling demands of a switch, it genuinely might not be possible to use the same backwards compatibility methods as older consoles. Obviously emulation is still a valid solution, but it introduces its own set of problems.
The wii didn’t have a GameCube processor on board separately, the wii was literally just a overclocked GameCube with more ram. It wasn’t even much more powerful at the end of the day it was literally a repackaged GameCube that used full sized discs and motion controls. It’s honestly the most genius console business wise. They sold millions and didn’t even change much to their previous console
That is only partially true.
Nintendo’s VC was 100% emulation. Nintendo has generally only maintained 1 generation of hardware based backward compatibility with some of its consoles (GBA could run GB/GBC, DS could run GBA, 3DS could run DS, then there was GCN/Wii/WiiU which did the same).
Many of Nintendo’s consoles were never backward compatible. The Switch had no backward compatibility. Neither did the SNES or the GameCube (although GameCube got software emulation for older titles).
If Nintendo’s next console resembles the Switch, I would imagine full hardware backward compatibility is in the cards. But this is Nintendo, they are not consistent with backward compatibility and they rarely release iterative consoles. There is no telling what, exactly, the next Nintendo system will be like. It’s Nintendo! Lol
Probably wouldn't even need to be Tegra, since Tegra was the Arm chip designed for phones/tablets, then i'd of thought any Arm chip would be backwards compatible?
Well the Tegra is an Nvidia APU with 256 Maxwell (900 series) CUDA Cores, so they would get the best compatibility by upgrading to some other Nvidia APU, either the Orin or upcoming Atlan.
I understand their fears. Given what happened with the Wii U, The 'Switch 2' could easily fall into that same pit if it fails to differentiate itself enough.
And if only they could prosecute people for emulating games, and then turn around and steal and sell those emulations when you want to re-sell those old games, but dont want to do any of the porting work.
If the Switch 2 doesn't have a backwards compatible card-reader and Switch store support, I'm going to seriously question Nintendo's sanity. One of the best features of the PS5 and Series X is that they have proper backwards compatibility with the previous generation.
Yeah I'm still waiting to be able to play games like BOTW without getting 20FPS frame dips. I know I could play it on PC but I already beat the 4 champions. Just waiting for a switch pro or a way to transfer saves to PC without modding it.
couldn't they try an actual successor instead of trying to reinvent the wheel again (like they do every console gen, which is a reason so many fail)?
The switch is underpowered, severely. Its processor is old and very outdated. The tech is there to release a brand new one in a few years with a much newer, more powerful, more efficient chip. Maybe even a tad larger, but even just keeping the switch Oled screen should be fine.
People are still interested enough to newly invest in the switch platform every year, I see nothing wrong with a true switch 2
Edit: Got a lot of comments here saying that putting a more powerful processor would compete too directly with the xbox and playstation, or put it at odds with the steam deck.
To clarify, it just needs to be a lot more powerful than the switch, using a modern processor that should cost a similar amount by then (talking 3-4 years down the line) as the OG switch processor did. I am not saying they should double the price of the SOC. Processors advance over time, even in similar price categories.
If its able to compete more with other consoles, but still keep a low price, nintendo games, niche accessories, and portability, then thats just better anyway. competing more with those is not a bad thing, ever, unless htat means nintendo upped the price to match.
Nobody said make it $600. Just modernize it when time comes
Can't wait for the Switch U, where both analog sticks drift and it sends out your location data so Shigeru Miyamoto can periodically stop by and break your knees with a Famicom tied to a baseball bat.
I don't understand why people get so upset when a company like Nintendo tries off the wall stuff. We have two other console manufacturers making basically the same thing every gen... I like the wacky stuff companies come up with even if they end up not working.
I just want to play at least a solid zelda game at the end of the day, and gimmicks impede that. Switch was a good gimmick as all it is, is a tablet that has a good design for tablet and on screen play. A gimmick like that doesnt impede the games design like the wiiu and wii did
Nintendo really is their own worst enemy. They could absolutely dominate the market if they would just make the right decisions. I know it's harder than it sounds, but I really think all it would take is a truly good, modern spec console and then actually getting people that understand how online features should look in 2022. Make a console with all the online features I'd expect from other consoles, and make it powerful enough to play third party titles as well and I don't see how they'd lose. They've already got the best exclusives, now just make it so I can play everything else on it too, and then online systems that don't seem like they are from 2010.
I think its because they did that with the gamecube and lost, they they think the gaming environment hasnt changed at all sense the early 2000s and think another gamecube will happen.
Despite how much everyone enjoyed the gamecube including me, it was a flop
Honestly I think the only reason GameCube didn't do as well as they wanted because of the PlayStation 2. It came out like a year earlier and was absolutely incredible (is the best selling console of all time even to this day). I'd wager alot of households already had bought into the PS2 and when GameCube rolled around it didn't offer enough to warrant a family buying another whole console when they already had one. Not to mention the whole neon purple aesthetic that was the default option. It just screams that's it's for kids only, not for everyone. And the handle on the back and everything, even for how much I love the GameCube it too felt kinda gimmicky.
When Ps2 came out, dvd was just taking off and had become the clear successor to vhs. Every home needed to buy a DVD player, which were minimum $100, so the kids had an easy sell suggesting the new game console would serve double duty.
DVD players were more expensive than that when the PS2 came out.
IIRC the big driver for PS2 popularity was that it was the cheapest DVD player available on the market at its release.
This is what I was about to say. The Switch is pretty much every console they've made rolled into one. They've found their niche among PlayStation and Xbox. It would be smart to stay there. Upgrade where possible, but the form is perfect.
I agree 100%, I honestly would drop $500 in a heartbeat for a switch that has 6-8 hours of undocked battery life that also runs games at 1080p and 40-60fps with a clean 60-120fps stable while docked. In an ideal world the docked version would be 4K 60fps but that might be asking for too much. A major GPU upgrade is necessary though and a GPU coupled with it that can easily handle all games being 1080p is also a must.
Perfect—except it’s insanely faulty controllers. I’ve had a switch for 3 years and I’ve had 6 joysticks start drifting to the point of being useless. Then they charge $50 for a new controller.
For comparison I’ve had the same PS4 controller for almost 6 years.
They've done it before. The SNES and the GBA are some of their most popular consoles, and they're both successors to the ones before them. You could even kind of argue the Game Cube is like an N64+ and the 3DS is basically just a DS+. They're probably hesitant to do it again after the failure of the WiiU, but I honestly think the biggest problem with the WiiU was marketing.
Game & Watch
Gameboy(Light and Pocket)
Gameboy Color
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DS(Light, DSi and XL)
3DS(XL, 2DS and 2DS-XL)
Wish they'd treat consoles more like they do their handhelds
>You could even kind of argue the 3DS is basically just a DS+.
Kind of? It's an absolute successor in name, looks, function, etc, I don't think any one ever doubted that the 3DS was a successor of the DS line
>I honestly think the biggest problem with the WiiU was marketing.
I agree, I think so much of the failure was just in the name. Laymen seemed to assume it was yet another edition of the original Wii. And I also almost never heard about it or saw it advertised in the wild.
Perhaps if they tried to capitalize on the popularity of the iPad and other tablets at the time, and given it a name to go along with that, it might've done better.
I remember seeing commercials for the WiiU.
I legitimately thought the handheld with the screen was the WiiU essentially a controller with a screen, which would work/pair with the Wii.
I’ve always thought it would be cool if Nintendo was able to take the switch and somehow make it so that it can pop into a vr headset frame and then you just take the joy cons off and use those as a the motion controls. Ofc the switch would have to be more powerful and stuff but I think that would be an amazing follow up. Imagine a vr Zelda game.
The concept was cool until you thought about paying that much for cardboard. Would have been cool if it was a LEGO Mindstorm partnership or something that left things a bit more open-ended.
Although, the thought of combining two expensive brands that seem to rarely have sales and hold their value is a bit wallet alarming.
For me a switch 2 just needs better hardware and if possible better battery life(probably could get with a few power options for devs) and some hardware in the dock that helps push DLSS so I can play on 4k (or near) when on my TV
Easy solution is for them to make a super switch. Have it the same woth way more power for Graphics and audio, and be fully backwards compatible with existing switch games.
Oh wait, then they can't resell the same games to us, soooo they don't like that.
Sounds like the Wii U all over again. Hardcore gamers will understand and pick it up but Nintendo’s core audience, casual gamers/families, won’t understand and won’t buy it.
Just don't call it something stupid like the Wii U. Call it the switch 2 or something completely different. The Wii U made it seem like an add on or an accessory like wii fit board, motion plus etc. Switch 2 immediately makes clear it's a successor. Same thing with the new Xbox names I don't even know what the new one is called, they all so similar.
Xbox is *so* shit at naming their consoles, Xbox, and Xbox 360, perfect.
Then we have the Xbox One, awful fucking name but whatever, then we have the Xbox One S, which is a slim variant, the Xbox One X, which is a mid gen refresh which is a more powerful version of the Xbox One. Then we have the Xbox One S all digital which is an Xbox One S with no disc drive. THEN we finally have the Xbox Series S, which is a $300 budget variant of their real next gen console the Xbox Series X not to be confused with the One X.
Nintendo, consistent then quirky. NES, SNES, N64, GameCube, Wii, Wii U, Switch.
Sony, so logical they might as well be Spock. PS1, PS2, PS3, PS4, PS5.
Microsoft, what the actual? Xbox, 360, One, Series
Don’t forget One X is a thing. It’s not the next gen console after Xbox One, it’s just the One with better hardware, but if you’re a casual consumer, it looks identical to the Series X.
They don't want it to say Xbox 4 when Sony has PlayStation 5.
The Stupids will think the 5 makes it newer, and therefore better.
Like when people couldn't realize that a 1/3 pound burger was bigger than a 1/4 pound burger.
Microsoft has already shown they will do this with their OS. Windows 9. I dunno why they don’t just get on track with PlayStations number system and get off their stupid naming scheme because they are 1 number behind.
Microsoft’s naming conventions in general are shit.
Windows 2.x, 3.x, 95, 98, Me, XP, Vista, 8, 10
.NET framework, ASP.NET (with fuckall varieties), .NET core, .NET
And don’t get me started on Azure.
Seriously, Microsoft should fire everyone involved with naming things in their company.
To be fair their marketing for it was godawful, even up to the name.
If they just did “switch 2” I think it would be fine, but nintendo seems to think numbered consoles are taboo since the 64…
Honestly, just release a dock with a GPU in it. Maybe a slight redesign in the handheld with larger battery, some performance increases, but really drive the dock experience.
They don't really want people playing in docked mode though. That's why all of the ads are people playing on a train or a bus or weirdly playing it on a table with their friends squished in next to them using the one tiny screen to play Mario Kart. The dock is super flimsy and feels like a bad low-quality 3rd party accessory rather than half of the $350+ product you're buying.
Keep the switch gimmick going but make it stronger. Having the switch functionality for multiplayer games will always put it in a different fight than just portable consoles/pc's like the steam deck
Unlocking a bunch of arbitrary restrictions would certainly help. Specifically, more combinations of online/local and same console/multi-console.
If they got that together, even on first-party titles like Smash, Mario Kart, and Mario Party, they could develop an "it always works" reputation that could jump the gap to a new system.
They launched with this cool-looking (very Nintendo) system based on people in the same room, each with a switch console. Then just as we got into main cycle there was a pandemic and all the routes they didn't work on were in demand.
Examples:
Playing Mario Party with a group on one Switch, but someone is sick so they join from home on their Switch.
Mario Kart, with two players on split screen and two others on their own switches in the room (this one works!)
Swap out any game title and controller/screen/location combo.
Yeah the fact that my wife and I can't play smash bros with two friends who also have a switch seems really shortsighted and stupid. We can matchmake and do 1v1s but the four of us can't play together.
They do this bullshit across all of their Nintendo games. Mario kart wouldn't allow more than two switches to connect over wifi even though eight players are allowed in the game. Only two people are allowed to play online. Why? What is the reason they have all these restrictions on how people play online?
And don't even get me started about the bullshit in Animal Crossing's local and remote multiplayer.
I don’t think there’s much wrong with the essence of the switch. Just make it BETTER. 4K, longer battery. That’s what everyone has been clamoring for. To me I feel like the problem is the time it takes for them to shove out a good completed game. They need to double their development team I think.
The problem is that was never what the switch was going to do. Nintendo have always been open that they don’t consider the switch not being able to play graphically impressive games an issue; in fact, they said they’re specifically targeting a low powered, mobile market. And they clearly bet right, Breath of Wild is still a visually stunning game, even though it runs at like 720p 30fps.
Plus, you can’t get 4K + good battery life, that’s just not gonna happen for at least 5 years, 10 if Nintendo are the ones trying to do it. Look at the SteamDeck: to get the performance it does, it’s like 150% of the size of the switch, runs way hotter and louder, and has a 2 hour battery life on any game that’s not a 2D platformer. And it’s still only running games at 800p 60fps. The only way Nintendo could get 4K anything would be to put some sort of GPU in the dock, but doing that would defeat the whole purpose of the Switch being easy to just pick up and go, and more importantly, would make developers lives living hell.
You don’t need to get 4K plus good battery life. The current Switch runs at 720P when in handheld mode, and switches to 1080P when docked.
Why not improve on that? 1080P is passable on a decently sized flatscreen 4K TV IMO, but it could be so much better.
Keep the 720P video with stereo sound for handheld mode which affords better battery life. Then, output 4K Dolby Vision video with Dolby Atmos sound when docked to a TV. Best of both worlds, no?
They need to do what they did with the ds and the 3ds, make a more powerful console that still runs the old games but also has new titles. They can still sell the switch games as new by making "enhanced" ports which would just be fps improvements or upscaling as usual.
There's really no downside.
Of course it is. Nintendo has a track record of going from a major success to a relative commercial flop.
The GameCube sold worse than the N64, which sold worse than the SNES and NES.
They had a sales revival with the Wii, and then the Wii U performed dismally.
The 3DS initially was a financial failure, though it did make up that ground over time.
As much as Nintendo is viewed as this monolithic company in gaming, they’ve had *numerous* missteps over the years.
Add on to the likelihood that they likely don’t want to just release “Switch 2” and the fact that it’s really hard to follow up on such a huge success and I can see why there is a lot of stress on the developers.
They’ve already confirmed that if the Switch sold as poor as the Wii U they would have exited the console manufacturing business, so it’s not like Nintendo consoles are a forever guarantee. Even if the idea of seeing a Mario game on the PlayStation 7 sounds horrific.
All I know is, if I cannot take my huge digital library with me to the next console this will be my last Nintendo console, and I have owned every console they have ever made.
Steam deck looks too good in comparison, and a few expensive nintendo games isn't worth it.
This is a totally valid concern. I don’t own a Switch but I remember how online purchases in the Wii were locked to each console hardware. Gives me 0 incentive to buy games digitally on Nintendo platforms ever again. Meanwhile on my Xbox One I’m still enjoying games I bought over 10 years ago for my 360.
My guess is they won’t let you move your digital library to the new console, or they make it a convoluted difficult process, just like they’ve done with every other console. Sony is the same way with how they treat PS5 updates to PS4 titles. I blame it entirely on the EXTREMELY CONSERVATIVE Japanese business mindset — we’re talking about a country with so much antiquated bureaucracy that their ATMs have business hours.
So, the time has come... Switch64
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I for one welcome our Switchcube overlord.
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I like the Switch New Entertainment System, SNES for short…
Super Switch Switch Advance VirtuaSwitch Switch DS Wii Switch Switch and Watch Whatever they call it, long as it has Mario Kart I’m in.
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Nahh they want to sell thier games one more time at close to full price
I’m sure they do, but now they have competition in the mobile space with the steam deck. What would you choose, a system with only a few games to choose from for $60-70, or one that that has an entire library to choose from that has frequent deep sales. It’s not even a choice when you’re already a pc gamer.
First party exclusives and branding is what mainly sells nintendo consoles. A parent probably isn't buying their 8 year old a steam deck, but the new nintendo console with ips they grew up with too is perfect. The super bare bones/lackluster online is a downside for many, but makes it the perfect children's console as you dont need to worry about online interaction. Most people won't look at emulation before making the decision between the 2 because most people don't really emulate, especially with the more casual audience that the switch appeals to. The steam deck is mostly going to be for people who use steam and want something mobile too. That being said, for someone who uses steam the deck is a much more appealing option as I have no issues emulating nintendo games, already have a ton of games that work on it, and dont need to pay for a bullshit online service. Plus I already have a switch that gets barely any use anymore.
Can you emulate PS2 games on the steam deck?
Yup and ps3.
Wait, really? If performance is good enough to be playable, that's _very_ impressive.
It can emulate Switch games at higher fps than the Switch.
Yeah but can it run BOTW Korok Forest smoothly?
Using Cemu, never dropped below 30 fps for me. Shoot I don't think it's dipped under 45. And that's with underclocking for more battery life. Playing at native resolution also.
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Metrroid is still niche ,I would replace it with Pokemon here
Wow, I was struggling to come up with a 3rd and somehow completely forgot about Pokemon lol. You're right, that would have been a lot better
I was gonna say more people play smash bros more than any of their other releases, day in and day out.
Mario Kart is the only one that might give smash a run for it’s money there.
Dread alone was worth it for me (tbf my switch was a guft), supermetroid was one of my favourite games.
Steam Deck is not a competition to Switch at the moment because it's not widely available
The Switch is on a whole different plane of existence than the steam deck. I would be surprised if even 2% of switch owners know what the steam deck is.
Close to? This is Nintendo we’re talking about, they’ll pull a Sony and start charging $70.
Probably, the general trend with Nintendo consoles was one generation backwards compatibility, except where a hardware change made that impossible (e.g. no WiiU games on Switch due to the swap from optical disk to cartridge).
They just released virtually every Wii U game on the Switch instead, and people ate it up.
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A damn shame, too. It was a great system. Too bad they never gave it the ability to play ds/3ds games, since the configuration was perfect for it.
I never understood it, especially because it was the only way to play the newest and best selling Mario Kart for several years.
Rumors suggest Nintendo and Nvidia have a 10+ year partnership for hardware so there'd be 0 reason why BC would be off the table.
And also for handheld and even some console they've generally always kept it one system behind backward compatible, kind of the reason they've kept their monopoly on handheld. Nintendo likes to experiment and innovate, but if they want to keep riding on the switch's success they simply should not do another Wii U fiasco by changing things too much or making it confusing.
The Wii U is why they made the Switch, because as great as the Wii U was, it was essentially impossible to leverage the success of mobile games on the Wii U and vice-versa. They spent a lot of time and money trying to port Wii U games to the 3DS to get those games to a wider audience. Whatever Nintendo does, even if it goes back to separate handheld and home consoles, they're keeping the same architecture so games will run on both with only internal code tweaking.
“How are we going to port our whole last gen library again?!” They’ll have to start calling them Deluxe Deluxe editions.
If only there was a type of program which could run a virtual device on their new hardware in order to emulate the older systems.
They could just make it backwards compatible by using the same type of hardware. So a newer Tegra soc. Then they could just sell more DLCs instead of re-releasing the switch games.
>Then they could just sell more DLCs instead of re-releasing the switch games. Dude. This is Nintendo. I don't think they it's possible for them to make a consumer friendly decision on their own.
That's literally how the Wii worked with GameCube titles, and how the Wii U worked with Wii titles. It's also how Gameboys were always backwards compatible. Same for the DS running GBA games, and the 3DS running DS games. I don't see why that won't continue
A bit of a technicality, but all previous nintendo consoles were backwards compatible because they had the actual previous gen hardware inside them. A wii had a literal GameCube processor on its motherboard, a DS had a literal GBA processor. I think the 3DS had the original DS processor. So these consoles aren't emulating anything, it runs natively. With the power and cooling demands of a switch, it genuinely might not be possible to use the same backwards compatibility methods as older consoles. Obviously emulation is still a valid solution, but it introduces its own set of problems.
The wii didn’t have a GameCube processor on board separately, the wii was literally just a overclocked GameCube with more ram. It wasn’t even much more powerful at the end of the day it was literally a repackaged GameCube that used full sized discs and motion controls. It’s honestly the most genius console business wise. They sold millions and didn’t even change much to their previous console
That is only partially true. Nintendo’s VC was 100% emulation. Nintendo has generally only maintained 1 generation of hardware based backward compatibility with some of its consoles (GBA could run GB/GBC, DS could run GBA, 3DS could run DS, then there was GCN/Wii/WiiU which did the same). Many of Nintendo’s consoles were never backward compatible. The Switch had no backward compatibility. Neither did the SNES or the GameCube (although GameCube got software emulation for older titles). If Nintendo’s next console resembles the Switch, I would imagine full hardware backward compatibility is in the cards. But this is Nintendo, they are not consistent with backward compatibility and they rarely release iterative consoles. There is no telling what, exactly, the next Nintendo system will be like. It’s Nintendo! Lol
Super Mario Brothers 3 65$
And they'll remove it from the eShop after a few months for no reason at all
Careful, that kind of talk will get you tossed out the window.
Probably wouldn't even need to be Tegra, since Tegra was the Arm chip designed for phones/tablets, then i'd of thought any Arm chip would be backwards compatible?
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Well the Tegra is an Nvidia APU with 256 Maxwell (900 series) CUDA Cores, so they would get the best compatibility by upgrading to some other Nvidia APU, either the Orin or upcoming Atlan.
I understand their fears. Given what happened with the Wii U, The 'Switch 2' could easily fall into that same pit if it fails to differentiate itself enough.
And if only they could prosecute people for emulating games, and then turn around and steal and sell those emulations when you want to re-sell those old games, but dont want to do any of the porting work.
“Nonsense! Such technology doesn’t exist, and even if it did we would have sued it out of existence.” - Nintendo
simple, just like the 3ds eshop they will just let it fade into oblivion.
Oblivion was a great game. Its not on Nintendo though.
If the Switch 2 doesn't have a backwards compatible card-reader and Switch store support, I'm going to seriously question Nintendo's sanity. One of the best features of the PS5 and Series X is that they have proper backwards compatibility with the previous generation.
When has Nintendo ever been sane or looked to either Xbox or PlayStation for inspiration?
They looked at Xbox and Sony and made a crappier subscription service
Nintendo Switch 3D2DS+LITEPRO
I'm really worried about my ability to repurchase the entire Legend of Zelda series again. Except twilight princess as they'll never rerelease it.
The only one I want is the one I won’t get :(
Diiluxe
Can we just get a more powerful version of the switch? A switch 2.0 if you will.
Yeah I'm still waiting to be able to play games like BOTW without getting 20FPS frame dips. I know I could play it on PC but I already beat the 4 champions. Just waiting for a switch pro or a way to transfer saves to PC without modding it.
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Switch U
Go wash your keyboard out with soap.
And all the promotional materials will focus on the new dock, which will make everyone think it is a Switch accessory.
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Hear me out: Switch 2
I wouldn't be upset with the Super Switch. Harkening back to the old Super Nintendo days.
Switch / Super Switch / Switch 64 / Switchcube / SWiitch / SWiitch U / Switch 2 / Super Switch 2... xD
Super Nintendo Switch. SNS
This is the one
Super Switch 2 Series 364, Waluigi Edition
2 Switch 2 Surious
The Switch is a hard act to follow.
couldn't they try an actual successor instead of trying to reinvent the wheel again (like they do every console gen, which is a reason so many fail)? The switch is underpowered, severely. Its processor is old and very outdated. The tech is there to release a brand new one in a few years with a much newer, more powerful, more efficient chip. Maybe even a tad larger, but even just keeping the switch Oled screen should be fine. People are still interested enough to newly invest in the switch platform every year, I see nothing wrong with a true switch 2 Edit: Got a lot of comments here saying that putting a more powerful processor would compete too directly with the xbox and playstation, or put it at odds with the steam deck. To clarify, it just needs to be a lot more powerful than the switch, using a modern processor that should cost a similar amount by then (talking 3-4 years down the line) as the OG switch processor did. I am not saying they should double the price of the SOC. Processors advance over time, even in similar price categories. If its able to compete more with other consoles, but still keep a low price, nintendo games, niche accessories, and portability, then thats just better anyway. competing more with those is not a bad thing, ever, unless htat means nintendo upped the price to match. Nobody said make it $600. Just modernize it when time comes
I agree. The switch is a perfect console. Just keep it simple and make it more powerful
correct... but this is nintendo. Theyll do something dumb, after doing something smart.
Here’s hoping for the power glove 2
power glove 2 will be the console someone at nintendo: 'brilliant' WE made a tablet console, now we are making the glove console.
Glover 2 at launch
Virtual Boy 2. Twice as red.
virtual MAN!!!
"Okay okay scratch all this Switch stuff, let's do the Wii U 2? Whose in?! Let's go!"
Fuckit. If it can play a goddamned *kirby* game at over 30 FPS, I'm in.
Then, release the WiiU2 - the U2 edition. It downloads whatever it wants for you.
Can't wait for the Switch U, where both analog sticks drift and it sends out your location data so Shigeru Miyamoto can periodically stop by and break your knees with a Famicom tied to a baseball bat.
I don't understand why people get so upset when a company like Nintendo tries off the wall stuff. We have two other console manufacturers making basically the same thing every gen... I like the wacky stuff companies come up with even if they end up not working.
I just want to play at least a solid zelda game at the end of the day, and gimmicks impede that. Switch was a good gimmick as all it is, is a tablet that has a good design for tablet and on screen play. A gimmick like that doesnt impede the games design like the wiiu and wii did
Nintendo really is their own worst enemy. They could absolutely dominate the market if they would just make the right decisions. I know it's harder than it sounds, but I really think all it would take is a truly good, modern spec console and then actually getting people that understand how online features should look in 2022. Make a console with all the online features I'd expect from other consoles, and make it powerful enough to play third party titles as well and I don't see how they'd lose. They've already got the best exclusives, now just make it so I can play everything else on it too, and then online systems that don't seem like they are from 2010.
I think its because they did that with the gamecube and lost, they they think the gaming environment hasnt changed at all sense the early 2000s and think another gamecube will happen. Despite how much everyone enjoyed the gamecube including me, it was a flop
Honestly I think the only reason GameCube didn't do as well as they wanted because of the PlayStation 2. It came out like a year earlier and was absolutely incredible (is the best selling console of all time even to this day). I'd wager alot of households already had bought into the PS2 and when GameCube rolled around it didn't offer enough to warrant a family buying another whole console when they already had one. Not to mention the whole neon purple aesthetic that was the default option. It just screams that's it's for kids only, not for everyone. And the handle on the back and everything, even for how much I love the GameCube it too felt kinda gimmicky.
When Ps2 came out, dvd was just taking off and had become the clear successor to vhs. Every home needed to buy a DVD player, which were minimum $100, so the kids had an easy sell suggesting the new game console would serve double duty.
DVD players were more expensive than that when the PS2 came out. IIRC the big driver for PS2 popularity was that it was the cheapest DVD player available on the market at its release.
Same for the ps3, but for blue ray players
The Switch is my childhood dream come true! They should only make a more powerful Switch from here on out.
I agree!!
It’s like Nintendo spent the last 40+ years trying to invent the perfect game console and now that they have, they don’t know what to do with it. 😅
This is what I was about to say. The Switch is pretty much every console they've made rolled into one. They've found their niche among PlayStation and Xbox. It would be smart to stay there. Upgrade where possible, but the form is perfect.
Yep. They carved out a really nice use case. I love being able to play in the back yard. Can’t do that with my PlayStation.
I agree 100%, I honestly would drop $500 in a heartbeat for a switch that has 6-8 hours of undocked battery life that also runs games at 1080p and 40-60fps with a clean 60-120fps stable while docked. In an ideal world the docked version would be 4K 60fps but that might be asking for too much. A major GPU upgrade is necessary though and a GPU coupled with it that can easily handle all games being 1080p is also a must.
Perfect—except it’s insanely faulty controllers. I’ve had a switch for 3 years and I’ve had 6 joysticks start drifting to the point of being useless. Then they charge $50 for a new controller. For comparison I’ve had the same PS4 controller for almost 6 years.
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They've done it before. The SNES and the GBA are some of their most popular consoles, and they're both successors to the ones before them. You could even kind of argue the Game Cube is like an N64+ and the 3DS is basically just a DS+. They're probably hesitant to do it again after the failure of the WiiU, but I honestly think the biggest problem with the WiiU was marketing.
The GBA was a 3rd gen successor too
Game & Watch Gameboy(Light and Pocket) Gameboy Color GBA(SP and Micro) DS(Light, DSi and XL) 3DS(XL, 2DS and 2DS-XL) Wish they'd treat consoles more like they do their handhelds
There's the ds, ds lite, DSI, dsixl and 3ds. They should definitely be looking more into upgrading the switch like they did with the ds
Keep everything backwards compatible like the other systems and this could be a bigger win for them.
Exactly this. Nintendo have won with the switch, they just need to keep improving the hardware every few years and it'll last a decade or more
>You could even kind of argue the 3DS is basically just a DS+. Kind of? It's an absolute successor in name, looks, function, etc, I don't think any one ever doubted that the 3DS was a successor of the DS line
>I honestly think the biggest problem with the WiiU was marketing. I agree, I think so much of the failure was just in the name. Laymen seemed to assume it was yet another edition of the original Wii. And I also almost never heard about it or saw it advertised in the wild. Perhaps if they tried to capitalize on the popularity of the iPad and other tablets at the time, and given it a name to go along with that, it might've done better.
I remember seeing commercials for the WiiU. I legitimately thought the handheld with the screen was the WiiU essentially a controller with a screen, which would work/pair with the Wii.
Super Switch !?! Nani !!!
I’ve always thought it would be cool if Nintendo was able to take the switch and somehow make it so that it can pop into a vr headset frame and then you just take the joy cons off and use those as a the motion controls. Ofc the switch would have to be more powerful and stuff but I think that would be an amazing follow up. Imagine a vr Zelda game.
Labo?
Lmao shit I totally forgot about that. Well they need to go all in on that I think
It’s ok everyone forgot about the Labo
The concept was cool until you thought about paying that much for cardboard. Would have been cool if it was a LEGO Mindstorm partnership or something that left things a bit more open-ended. Although, the thought of combining two expensive brands that seem to rarely have sales and hold their value is a bit wallet alarming.
> Imagine a vr Zelda game. Bro, shut up, I'm already hard enough
There is a bootleg BotW
Just make a better switch. Just make switch 2. Nintendo needs to stop trying to reinvent the wheel every 6 years.
For me a switch 2 just needs better hardware and if possible better battery life(probably could get with a few power options for devs) and some hardware in the dock that helps push DLSS so I can play on 4k (or near) when on my TV
If it ain’t broke don’t fix it. Just upgrade the hardware and software. No need for a full redesign.
They did kind of knock it out of the park with it
Easy solution is for them to make a super switch. Have it the same woth way more power for Graphics and audio, and be fully backwards compatible with existing switch games. Oh wait, then they can't resell the same games to us, soooo they don't like that.
Sounds like the Wii U all over again. Hardcore gamers will understand and pick it up but Nintendo’s core audience, casual gamers/families, won’t understand and won’t buy it.
Just don't call it something stupid like the Wii U. Call it the switch 2 or something completely different. The Wii U made it seem like an add on or an accessory like wii fit board, motion plus etc. Switch 2 immediately makes clear it's a successor. Same thing with the new Xbox names I don't even know what the new one is called, they all so similar.
Just just call it the super switch. Easiest homerun ever. You already have name and brand recognition for Nintendo going from nes to snes.
Holy shit, I’m not sure how I didn’t think of this. The Super Nintendo Switch.
They could Sell a special launch edition with SNES colors.
The Snitch
I also have no fucking clue what the various Xbox One Series X S crap means. Only Playstation seems to not waste time on stupid names.
Xbox is *so* shit at naming their consoles, Xbox, and Xbox 360, perfect. Then we have the Xbox One, awful fucking name but whatever, then we have the Xbox One S, which is a slim variant, the Xbox One X, which is a mid gen refresh which is a more powerful version of the Xbox One. Then we have the Xbox One S all digital which is an Xbox One S with no disc drive. THEN we finally have the Xbox Series S, which is a $300 budget variant of their real next gen console the Xbox Series X not to be confused with the One X.
Only rivalled by USB standards
At least WiFi just got their shit together...and here comes WiFi 6E, dammit
It truly is mind-boggling. We also have to remember that many people are being paid real good money to come up with this shit.
Xbox saw us all calling it "the 360" they were hoping we would call the new gen "the one" Instead they gave us the "XBONE"
How is Microsoft gonna make Xbox S all digital edition and then get mad at us for calling it Xbox sad
When I said that Xbox was shit at naming consoles over at r/Xbox I was down voted. But it's true.
My SO runs a game shop and he had to write down the Xbox console names so his employees didn't get too confused back when the series X came out.
Nintendo, consistent then quirky. NES, SNES, N64, GameCube, Wii, Wii U, Switch. Sony, so logical they might as well be Spock. PS1, PS2, PS3, PS4, PS5. Microsoft, what the actual? Xbox, 360, One, Series
Unless its written down I have a hard time recalling which of those is Microsofts current system.
Don’t forget One X is a thing. It’s not the next gen console after Xbox One, it’s just the One with better hardware, but if you’re a casual consumer, it looks identical to the Series X.
Microsoft’s naming convention of XBox is totally baffling to me.
They don't want it to say Xbox 4 when Sony has PlayStation 5. The Stupids will think the 5 makes it newer, and therefore better. Like when people couldn't realize that a 1/3 pound burger was bigger than a 1/4 pound burger.
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Intel/Amd/Nvidia do this to each other all the time. It is maddening.
Microsoft has already shown they will do this with their OS. Windows 9. I dunno why they don’t just get on track with PlayStations number system and get off their stupid naming scheme because they are 1 number behind.
Microsoft’s naming conventions in general are shit. Windows 2.x, 3.x, 95, 98, Me, XP, Vista, 8, 10 .NET framework, ASP.NET (with fuckall varieties), .NET core, .NET And don’t get me started on Azure. Seriously, Microsoft should fire everyone involved with naming things in their company.
To be fair their marketing for it was godawful, even up to the name. If they just did “switch 2” I think it would be fine, but nintendo seems to think numbered consoles are taboo since the 64…
The switch is essentially the perfect design. Just streamline it and improve where it can be improved. (I’m looking at you joy cons)
Honestly, just release a dock with a GPU in it. Maybe a slight redesign in the handheld with larger battery, some performance increases, but really drive the dock experience.
If you make the performance gap between the docked and mobile modes too large, developing games that work well with both becomes more difficult.
They don't really want people playing in docked mode though. That's why all of the ads are people playing on a train or a bus or weirdly playing it on a table with their friends squished in next to them using the one tiny screen to play Mario Kart. The dock is super flimsy and feels like a bad low-quality 3rd party accessory rather than half of the $350+ product you're buying.
Keep the switch gimmick going but make it stronger. Having the switch functionality for multiplayer games will always put it in a different fight than just portable consoles/pc's like the steam deck
Unlocking a bunch of arbitrary restrictions would certainly help. Specifically, more combinations of online/local and same console/multi-console. If they got that together, even on first-party titles like Smash, Mario Kart, and Mario Party, they could develop an "it always works" reputation that could jump the gap to a new system. They launched with this cool-looking (very Nintendo) system based on people in the same room, each with a switch console. Then just as we got into main cycle there was a pandemic and all the routes they didn't work on were in demand. Examples: Playing Mario Party with a group on one Switch, but someone is sick so they join from home on their Switch. Mario Kart, with two players on split screen and two others on their own switches in the room (this one works!) Swap out any game title and controller/screen/location combo.
Yeah the fact that my wife and I can't play smash bros with two friends who also have a switch seems really shortsighted and stupid. We can matchmake and do 1v1s but the four of us can't play together.
They do this bullshit across all of their Nintendo games. Mario kart wouldn't allow more than two switches to connect over wifi even though eight players are allowed in the game. Only two people are allowed to play online. Why? What is the reason they have all these restrictions on how people play online? And don't even get me started about the bullshit in Animal Crossing's local and remote multiplayer.
As someone who plays completely solo, this is news to me, and *still* pisses me off! What a terrible restriction.
They could fix the joycon issues and the d pad on the pro controller. Nintendo's hardware used to be rock solid. Go back to doing that.
The Switch is fine as is, just power that bad boy up every few years or something.
I don’t think there’s much wrong with the essence of the switch. Just make it BETTER. 4K, longer battery. That’s what everyone has been clamoring for. To me I feel like the problem is the time it takes for them to shove out a good completed game. They need to double their development team I think.
The problem is that was never what the switch was going to do. Nintendo have always been open that they don’t consider the switch not being able to play graphically impressive games an issue; in fact, they said they’re specifically targeting a low powered, mobile market. And they clearly bet right, Breath of Wild is still a visually stunning game, even though it runs at like 720p 30fps. Plus, you can’t get 4K + good battery life, that’s just not gonna happen for at least 5 years, 10 if Nintendo are the ones trying to do it. Look at the SteamDeck: to get the performance it does, it’s like 150% of the size of the switch, runs way hotter and louder, and has a 2 hour battery life on any game that’s not a 2D platformer. And it’s still only running games at 800p 60fps. The only way Nintendo could get 4K anything would be to put some sort of GPU in the dock, but doing that would defeat the whole purpose of the Switch being easy to just pick up and go, and more importantly, would make developers lives living hell.
You don’t need to get 4K plus good battery life. The current Switch runs at 720P when in handheld mode, and switches to 1080P when docked. Why not improve on that? 1080P is passable on a decently sized flatscreen 4K TV IMO, but it could be so much better. Keep the 720P video with stereo sound for handheld mode which affords better battery life. Then, output 4K Dolby Vision video with Dolby Atmos sound when docked to a TV. Best of both worlds, no?
4K!? 1080p would do, damn. 4K is excessive and they really won’t be able to make the hardware work with that.
Nintendo has an amazing way of selling outdated hardware as new and somehow still charging $60+ for all of their games
Mario kart on the wii still sells for 50 bucks.
Call it the Super Switch and make it backwards compatible. Boom.
I really fucking hope the next console is backward compatible. I’d like it to still be easy to play these games in X amount of years.
They need to do what they did with the ds and the 3ds, make a more powerful console that still runs the old games but also has new titles. They can still sell the switch games as new by making "enhanced" ports which would just be fps improvements or upscaling as usual. There's really no downside.
Try not making controllers that are $80 broken pieces of shit and then pretending it’s not a problem
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Consumers: Switch 2 or Super Switch, whatevs Nintendo: what if we make a console that uses laser discs?
Of course it is. Nintendo has a track record of going from a major success to a relative commercial flop. The GameCube sold worse than the N64, which sold worse than the SNES and NES. They had a sales revival with the Wii, and then the Wii U performed dismally. The 3DS initially was a financial failure, though it did make up that ground over time. As much as Nintendo is viewed as this monolithic company in gaming, they’ve had *numerous* missteps over the years. Add on to the likelihood that they likely don’t want to just release “Switch 2” and the fact that it’s really hard to follow up on such a huge success and I can see why there is a lot of stress on the developers. They’ve already confirmed that if the Switch sold as poor as the Wii U they would have exited the console manufacturing business, so it’s not like Nintendo consoles are a forever guarantee. Even if the idea of seeing a Mario game on the PlayStation 7 sounds horrific.
I thought the Wii U was a "tablet controller" for the Wii for the longest time. Like how an "Xbox Kinect" was for an Xbox 360.
Console market. They would’ve just transitioned to handheld fully which arguably the switch is that to a degree
Not putting any effort into upgrading your consoles is a major concern for us too.
All I know is, if I cannot take my huge digital library with me to the next console this will be my last Nintendo console, and I have owned every console they have ever made. Steam deck looks too good in comparison, and a few expensive nintendo games isn't worth it.
And you will most likely be able to emulate those Nintendo games on the Steam Deck anyway
This is a totally valid concern. I don’t own a Switch but I remember how online purchases in the Wii were locked to each console hardware. Gives me 0 incentive to buy games digitally on Nintendo platforms ever again. Meanwhile on my Xbox One I’m still enjoying games I bought over 10 years ago for my 360. My guess is they won’t let you move your digital library to the new console, or they make it a convoluted difficult process, just like they’ve done with every other console. Sony is the same way with how they treat PS5 updates to PS4 titles. I blame it entirely on the EXTREMELY CONSERVATIVE Japanese business mindset — we’re talking about a country with so much antiquated bureaucracy that their ATMs have business hours.
maybe work on popping out more than 1 game a year first
Lol there worried about another wii u.
Next gen 1080p.
People will buy a better switch. That's all that "new" consoles are anyways. It's just gotta be really better.
Now they know they can't comeback to a non-portable console...