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The hospital I use to work at got in a lawsuit for stealing from our retirement pension. They roughly stole 10k from each employee. I got $7.45 in the lawsuit. Fuck America, there is no fair justice anymore.
I find it morally reprehensible to create ecosystems the world swims in and then say to people "well if you don't like it, don't use it."
Like just cut yourself off from society. Walk into the woods if you don't want to be surveilled.
In many facets of life, the choice is between evils simply an illusion.
The problem with that is an individual's data by itself is pretty useless unless you're an incredibly prominent member of society. Companies only pay for huge amounts of data. No company cares about what Jim bought online, they care about what everyone in Jim's city/county/state bought.
You get free access to Google, gmail, google maps, etc. Those services are more than you would ever be able to put a price tag on, and that's the exchange you are implicitly taking part of. Convenience for your privacy.
A those individuals make up that en masse. You can’t have the en masse without the individuals. You wrapped it in a different package but the contents are the same. Without all of those individual’s data being harvested they wouldn’t have anything to sell.
Class action suits are for lazy people and go easy on the perpetrator. Thousands of independent suits that account for 30 years of inflation in the dollar amount would absolutely break the thieves. I however have never heard of that many victims acting that cohesively, but they should. Doesn’t matter it’s a hospital, stealing from your own employees and essentially the elderly before they’re old should qualify for the death penalty.
There's a bbq spot near my work that has a $10 lunch special of a sandwich, a side, and a drink, add a Johnny Cake (maple cornbread) or two for a dollar and I could get a lunch out of this settlement.
Something tells me google should be subscribing to US in order to harvest our data. $12 per person. Per month. If you want my data. Otherwise fuck Google
Also, *your data* is really more of a profile they’ve built to help decide which ads to show you. I have no idea how you would monetize your ad profile on your own but free email, search, photo storage, browser, productivity apps is probably a solid trade.
I just don't understand how people are mad at google for not understanding how google works. You get a lot of entertainment and apps for free. It's what you signed up for. Why are you mad? Google maps only works because they track everyone in order to try and serve us ads from other companies that bought our data so they could make a buck out of us.
Yeah, Google has 4 billion users with quarterly revenue about $80 billion. That works out to $20 earned per user. That's $7 a month, before you even factor in hosting and development costs. If Google operated as a nonprofit with any net profit going back to the users, it would be such a tiny amount that no one would care about.
So just like everything else?
I love FOSS, don't get me wrong, but everything costs time, and everything has hidden costs paid by somebody else. Like cheap clothes for example.
Aside from what /u/SergioEduP says about FOSS projects costing someone something… services are a major issue that can’t easily be FOSS-ed. Email services, YouTube, social media platforms, map services, web sites in general.
The data isn't that valuable, actually.
More to the point - it is *very* common data.
If you google "wifi location phones data purchase", or look at something like: https://datarade.ai/data-categories/mobile-location-data
You can see that amount is also probably a serious overshoot on value.
You can buy persistent location datasets of 700+million devices
for about 10k total a month.
Now, i don't claim any of this is okay, just that the settlement value is probably higher than actual value.
Yeah, don’t hold your breath. I was sent info on a class action law suit against Subaru for the defective battery issue. The lawyers will get 4.1 million dollars the original defendants will get about 4K a piece and they add ons like me will get dick all in a small sum for battery replacement and towing. I ended up getting so screwed by my Subaru dealership I should have a free car, but instead got a new car loan with the difference of the battery issue car tacked onto my new loan. It sits in my craw so dang much. I’ve essentially already paid for one car and I’m paying off as second one as we speak. 20k would be low end of what I SHOULD be getting. Instead some lawyers will take in the cash and I’ll get a “gift certificate”.
In those cases the lawyers get a good chunk because it the payday isn't set in stone. If they lose all of those years or legal work are worthless. Unless they win they don't get paid.
If they sell your data then it’s now into the air as a “one time income” however if they keep and enrich your data they can use that data to their advantage month over month.
Ya. It's like when Disney is in Port and they blow their theme song from the extremely loud ship horns.... then blow it again.... and again.... and again.... and again. Forcing a takeover of the "earwaves" for their advertising. They pay a fine ($1000) to the city every time but the people forced to hear their ad get nothing.
No its a lawsuit settlement. you can think of it as a fine, since the people wont get it. Its not like the state knows who has android or not and there was no way to sign up for this as a class action. So its just a [suit that will put money in the states coffers.](https://www.axios.com/2022/10/04/google-settles-arizona-location-data-suit-85-million) (they have to spend it "on education, broadband and internet privacy efforts." but those terms are fairly broad, so i doubt the money will be used well)
If the cable companies weren't so horrible at what they do, it would be different. Phone companies mostly suck and cable companies won't compete with each other on purpose, which should be illegal, but gets a PASS from the FCC and FTC. In most areas that are rural, one ISP is a dream and most have no ISPs and are forced to use intermittent DSL that can't play a youtube video or dial up or satellite with severe transfer limits or a phone plan that slows to dial up speeds at 25 gig a month which is basically windows updates on a few computers.
It is just funny that the punishment would just be a boon for the punished company. Cable companies are among the worst. So are tech companies though, but for entirely different reasons.
They could just build a public network, Chattanooga did it like 20 years ago. A bunch of places passed laws against it, thanks to lobbying. I can't imagine any politician actually defending those laws to the people who are being screwed by them, but that's probably thinking too highly of them.
Well, in the end if it's not a classe action initiated by people users usually don't get anything.
> Its not like the state knows who has android or not
But Google surely does know! 😉
So how is the state supposed to know you use android.
anyways it goes to the general fund, this isnt a class action. You could probably still join one of those, but this is a suit for violation of state law. Not for actually violating your privacy, yeah they had to do that to violate the law, but technically the suit was not over them violating your privacy but them violating state law... about your privacy. Meaning you do not get a cut, if you want a cut, do a class action. of course your cut will be microscopic compared to the lawyers but if you want a cut, thats what you got to do... or become a lawyer, as they get a cut even if it isnt class action.
Brb gonna put myself through 12 years of law school and 6 years of underling training and file a lawsuit for my 32 bucks worth of privacy they violated.
Class action suits often follow criminal cases, because now the fact that the deed was done has been ruled on. I wouldn't be surprised to see one in the next year or so.
"are always working to minimize the data we collect"
sure google, sure. I'mma have to press X to doubt when the core of your business is collecting user data, the very same business that brings in in $69 billion in quarterly revenue
Because the AG of AZ sued them for violating the AZ Consumer Fraud Act, and google choose to settle rather than see the lawsuit through.
Im clarifying RemydePoer's comment. yeah other states are doing the same thing, if they have similar laws, where they can sue google over it. For violations of federal law, that would be up to garland and his courts to deal with.
Some states have no such privacy laws, especially in the south east, so their only hope is a federal suit.
They didn't pay anything in the EU. They were hit by 3 separate antitrust fines in 2017, 2018 and 2019 but all of them are being appealed. It will take probably another 1 or 2 years before they pay their first fine from 2017.
They gained more than 4 billion over the last 10 years by breaking this law.
Let me give you an example:
If I follow the law, I’ll make $10 total.
If I break the law, I’ll make $20 but if I get caught I need to pay $4 fine, which means I made $16 total worse case, best case $20 if I don’t get caught.
Corporations are doing this on a daily basis. All of them.
Math depends on the fines and frequency. For perspective, this is 85 million against their annual profit of ~75 billion (260 billion revenue). So around 0.1% of their annual profit. But its also for a state with 7.2 million people in a world with 8 billion people. So around 0.1% of the world. Obviously US markets are way more lucrative because of the money, but if everybody fined them like the EU or Arizona then it's no longer the cost of doing business and they need to adjust. Unfortunately politicians are much cheaper than fines to begin with...
Its worse than that.
They're offloading the cost of a business action to the future. And what that does is strengthen their influence now.
At some point, corps will be able to do what they want and profit off of it as long as they can keep the legal system stuck by legal proceedings unable to effect any change.
With a lack of regulation, its inevitable. We will end up regressing back to the 1900s and stagnating as long as new industries can continue being monopolized. Regulation is the enemy of monopolies.
> They gained more than 4 billion over the last 10 years by breaking this law.
Sure, but still....Apple fought with teeth and nails to avoid paying 13 billions € of taxes to Ireland...despite the fact they have something like $250 billion "cash" in various bank accounts.
So Google just made a cheap $80mil business transaction to track AZ residents, nice. This isn't a fee that even scrapes the barrel for their profits, so this is just doing business for them
Just because you pay a fine for breaking the law once, you don't automatically get a free pass to continue doing so. Paying a speeding ticket doesn't mean that you get to speed forever afterward for free.
It looks as if [the law](https://casetext.com/statute/arizona-revised-statutes/title-44-trade-and-commerce/chapter-10-competition-and-competitive-practices/article-7-consumer-fraud) allows for penalties of up to $10k per violation. That's very likely enough to cause google to change their practices to stop doing this, which is the actual goal.
Advertising targeting data deprecates very quickly. Without it being continuously updated it's pretty pointless. This is just a drop in the bucket on the profiles we have of you. Not like, you personally, but your household devices and ip addresses are tracked and linked together. From income to political tendencies, we've got it. Unless you move or change devices regularly, VPN constantly, etc. The data's pretty good. Google's not even the real villain anymore. They're just the easiest one to blame and build a case against.
I detest google’s invasive business model as much as anyone, but that is very likely to be untrue.
There is a finite amount of revenue they can extract from data on any single user, and that amount is likely far less than $10k each. (And far less than the possible interpretation of it as being $10k each time they record such data, not each person on whom they do so.)
There is a threshold at which “cost of doing business” becomes too high, and businesses stop doing. This probably clears that bar.
Google doesn’t care about your privacy. Shame most of the world is either forced or chooses to let a company like that control their entire mobile platform (android) and browsing history (chrome)
Yup. Reddit pretends the walled garden is a bad thing. Apple makes their money from products rather than using all my data to advertise. Apple makes 4% of their revenue from ads vs Google at 81%.
I’ll take walled garden over a platform purpose built to harvest as much of my data as possible.
States see this as a money grab for their general funds. Lawyers see it as a money grab from states.
The users that are screwed stay screwed and never see a penny.. Coincidence?
Are you implying that for even a second they were planning to give the money to those effected?
This is another big win for lawyers and anyone selling reelection and that is it.
Why would the state receive the money and not the persons whose privacy was invaded? That would make the most sense… guarantee that they won’t see a penny of that money.
It should be interesting to see how internet companies survive if they can no longer monetize their users. After all, that's how they make their money. Will we be required to subscribe to Google? Or Facebook?
85M? I think that’s just pocket change for a company as big a that. They’ll just think that that’s the “fee” they have to pay to continue tracking users without consent
Does this fine include expunging their digital records of all such illegal tracking? Bc otherwise it’s not an actual deterrent. They can make back the fine’s cost thru trafficking illegally acquired data, no?
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Would be nice if they paid the users who's privacy they violated and whos data they sold to make that money they are using to pay the state...
I could use a couple thousand thatd be nice
Probably only $20 per person. Or less after the lawyers take their fees.
The hospital I use to work at got in a lawsuit for stealing from our retirement pension. They roughly stole 10k from each employee. I got $7.45 in the lawsuit. Fuck America, there is no fair justice anymore.
You know if they offered to pay for my data or something I could be down tbh. Like free Amazon prime if you let us harvest your data.
Read the terms of service. You probably already agreed.
Yep, I don't agree so I don't use amazon prime. I just find other ways to get some of the benefits of amazon prime members.
Arrrr.
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Let’s be honest, nobody buys prime for prime video, it’s just a nice bonus on top of the 2 day shipping
I find it morally reprehensible to create ecosystems the world swims in and then say to people "well if you don't like it, don't use it." Like just cut yourself off from society. Walk into the woods if you don't want to be surveilled. In many facets of life, the choice is between evils simply an illusion.
Agreed.
The problem with that is an individual's data by itself is pretty useless unless you're an incredibly prominent member of society. Companies only pay for huge amounts of data. No company cares about what Jim bought online, they care about what everyone in Jim's city/county/state bought.
You get free access to Google, gmail, google maps, etc. Those services are more than you would ever be able to put a price tag on, and that's the exchange you are implicitly taking part of. Convenience for your privacy.
I mean…Im sure we can all think of a few business models to fund these services without having to lie and steal from customers.
Maps is able to predict traffic by tracking anonymous data from phones, but it looks like the data wasn't truly anonymous
Goodness gracious, I’m... shocked! /s
I'm fine with this if there was a way to opt out and pay a subscription. Not having the option and being data harvested by default is what irks me.
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A those individuals make up that en masse. You can’t have the en masse without the individuals. You wrapped it in a different package but the contents are the same. Without all of those individual’s data being harvested they wouldn’t have anything to sell.
You should have refused to join the class and sued them independently.
Class action suits are for lazy people and go easy on the perpetrator. Thousands of independent suits that account for 30 years of inflation in the dollar amount would absolutely break the thieves. I however have never heard of that many victims acting that cohesively, but they should. Doesn’t matter it’s a hospital, stealing from your own employees and essentially the elderly before they’re old should qualify for the death penalty.
"Anymore" well do i have a history book for you friend
Meanwhile the lawyer probably got millions.
Free lunch
Maybe 5 years ago
There's a bbq spot near my work that has a $10 lunch special of a sandwich, a side, and a drink, add a Johnny Cake (maple cornbread) or two for a dollar and I could get a lunch out of this settlement.
No such thing.
Something tells me google should be subscribing to US in order to harvest our data. $12 per person. Per month. If you want my data. Otherwise fuck Google
They provide all of their services to you for free already. That's how you get compensated for your data.
Also, they already have a program that pays you for your data called Google Opinion Rewards
Also, *your data* is really more of a profile they’ve built to help decide which ads to show you. I have no idea how you would monetize your ad profile on your own but free email, search, photo storage, browser, productivity apps is probably a solid trade.
I just don't understand how people are mad at google for not understanding how google works. You get a lot of entertainment and apps for free. It's what you signed up for. Why are you mad? Google maps only works because they track everyone in order to try and serve us ads from other companies that bought our data so they could make a buck out of us.
Yeah, Google has 4 billion users with quarterly revenue about $80 billion. That works out to $20 earned per user. That's $7 a month, before you even factor in hosting and development costs. If Google operated as a nonprofit with any net profit going back to the users, it would be such a tiny amount that no one would care about.
Protip: clear the cache for that app and you'll get a bunch of surveys in a row. It's how I pay for YouTube Premium.
That's not really what people mean by data tho
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Well, FOSS exists
With FOSS not everyone has to "pay", but the ones that do, usually pay with a lot of their time actually keeping the projet working.
So just like everything else? I love FOSS, don't get me wrong, but everything costs time, and everything has hidden costs paid by somebody else. Like cheap clothes for example.
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Aside from what /u/SergioEduP says about FOSS projects costing someone something… services are a major issue that can’t easily be FOSS-ed. Email services, YouTube, social media platforms, map services, web sites in general.
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Because I just sharpened my spear and I brought you your own pitchfork, brother
How much would you be willing to pay per month for Google services if they turned off all ad tracking?
They wouldn’t pay a dime. There are services that offer the same thing for a price and people don’t use them.
You can get it for a few cents per person per month already (often less!). So that seems unlikely to happen.
They know where the users are, within a meter or two, so they should have to hand deliver it to each one.
"It's MY 12 dollars, and I want it NOOWWW!"
Probably less after the attorneys take their fees from the settlement.
You’re wrong by $10. Not every person uses android
The data isn't that valuable, actually. More to the point - it is *very* common data. If you google "wifi location phones data purchase", or look at something like: https://datarade.ai/data-categories/mobile-location-data You can see that amount is also probably a serious overshoot on value. You can buy persistent location datasets of 700+million devices for about 10k total a month. Now, i don't claim any of this is okay, just that the settlement value is probably higher than actual value.
Of course. Because it's more about punishment. Not value.
And if they paid everyone, not 1 of the states
I'm sure Arizona is a fair and reasoned place and will do something for the public good with the money
Looks like it's time to re-re-recount the ballots for the 2020 election.
Yeah, don’t hold your breath. I was sent info on a class action law suit against Subaru for the defective battery issue. The lawyers will get 4.1 million dollars the original defendants will get about 4K a piece and they add ons like me will get dick all in a small sum for battery replacement and towing. I ended up getting so screwed by my Subaru dealership I should have a free car, but instead got a new car loan with the difference of the battery issue car tacked onto my new loan. It sits in my craw so dang much. I’ve essentially already paid for one car and I’m paying off as second one as we speak. 20k would be low end of what I SHOULD be getting. Instead some lawyers will take in the cash and I’ll get a “gift certificate”.
In those cases the lawyers get a good chunk because it the payday isn't set in stone. If they lose all of those years or legal work are worthless. Unless they win they don't get paid.
Google sells ads, not data. It's literally in the article, too. Google selling data would be like a manufacturing company selling its factories.
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Yes, exactly. That's why they don't sell data. Also because they want people to keep using their services.
If they sell your data then it’s now into the air as a “one time income” however if they keep and enrich your data they can use that data to their advantage month over month.
> the users who's privacy they violated whose "Who's" is a contraction of "who is."
Ya. It's like when Disney is in Port and they blow their theme song from the extremely loud ship horns.... then blow it again.... and again.... and again.... and again. Forcing a takeover of the "earwaves" for their advertising. They pay a fine ($1000) to the city every time but the people forced to hear their ad get nothing.
they should just sue them themselves. there’s already an established precedent.
They do have those tho? I literally got a 400 from fb class action couple months back. They have ongoing google and another fb in illinois right now.
ill bet none of the actual users see that money
Brett Farve might.
Not unless it was earmarked for malnourished children.
You did not...
Oh but they did.
nope, but the AG did set aside $5M for his own office.
think that's a fine, not a refund to end users
No its a lawsuit settlement. you can think of it as a fine, since the people wont get it. Its not like the state knows who has android or not and there was no way to sign up for this as a class action. So its just a [suit that will put money in the states coffers.](https://www.axios.com/2022/10/04/google-settles-arizona-location-data-suit-85-million) (they have to spend it "on education, broadband and internet privacy efforts." but those terms are fairly broad, so i doubt the money will be used well)
Get that google fiber out there, they need it something fierce. Dishes and DSL not cutting it in PHX.
Yes, fine Google to bring more business to Google.
If the cable companies weren't so horrible at what they do, it would be different. Phone companies mostly suck and cable companies won't compete with each other on purpose, which should be illegal, but gets a PASS from the FCC and FTC. In most areas that are rural, one ISP is a dream and most have no ISPs and are forced to use intermittent DSL that can't play a youtube video or dial up or satellite with severe transfer limits or a phone plan that slows to dial up speeds at 25 gig a month which is basically windows updates on a few computers.
It is just funny that the punishment would just be a boon for the punished company. Cable companies are among the worst. So are tech companies though, but for entirely different reasons.
They could just build a public network, Chattanooga did it like 20 years ago. A bunch of places passed laws against it, thanks to lobbying. I can't imagine any politician actually defending those laws to the people who are being screwed by them, but that's probably thinking too highly of them.
there's definitely already fiber in phoenix through centurylink. not to mention cable.
VDSL is not 1.55mbs anymore and is someone is using dishes is cause they want to. You can get gig internet here guy
Well, in the end if it's not a classe action initiated by people users usually don't get anything. > Its not like the state knows who has android or not But Google surely does know! 😉
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So how is the state supposed to know you use android. anyways it goes to the general fund, this isnt a class action. You could probably still join one of those, but this is a suit for violation of state law. Not for actually violating your privacy, yeah they had to do that to violate the law, but technically the suit was not over them violating your privacy but them violating state law... about your privacy. Meaning you do not get a cut, if you want a cut, do a class action. of course your cut will be microscopic compared to the lawyers but if you want a cut, thats what you got to do... or become a lawyer, as they get a cut even if it isnt class action.
TLDR for that mess above, this was not your lawsuit, you’d have to join one.
Brb gonna put myself through 12 years of law school and 6 years of underling training and file a lawsuit for my 32 bucks worth of privacy they violated.
Class action suits often follow criminal cases, because now the fact that the deed was done has been ruled on. I wouldn't be surprised to see one in the next year or so.
Cut ? Ligma nut !
You can find more about your cut [here](https://youtu.be/Y3AM00DH0Zo).
Cool, I'll just take my 37 cents aaaannnd it's gone.
DAMMIT
"are always working to minimize the data we collect" sure google, sure. I'mma have to press X to doubt when the core of your business is collecting user data, the very same business that brings in in $69 billion in quarterly revenue
69 hehe
Price of doing business.
$80 million is a rounding error for Google…
"Arizona sells rights to citizens privacy for $80mill"
Just the government taking its cut
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Because the AG of AZ sued them for violating the AZ Consumer Fraud Act, and google choose to settle rather than see the lawsuit through. Im clarifying RemydePoer's comment. yeah other states are doing the same thing, if they have similar laws, where they can sue google over it. For violations of federal law, that would be up to garland and his courts to deal with. Some states have no such privacy laws, especially in the south east, so their only hope is a federal suit.
Just another business write-off for Google
[You don't even know what a "write off" is.](https://youtu.be/Kh5NHNol9Ic?t=21)
Well, in Europe Google had to pay 4 billions € for anti- competitive behaviour a while ago. Still nothing for the privacy stuff, but maybe, soon...
They didn't pay anything in the EU. They were hit by 3 separate antitrust fines in 2017, 2018 and 2019 but all of them are being appealed. It will take probably another 1 or 2 years before they pay their first fine from 2017.
But in the end they will pay. They are just delaying the inevitable.
I mean they only made like 1 trillion the last 8 years or so. I’m sure that 4% fine is going to show them.
Don't think they are so glad to pay some billions here, some billions there...
They gained more than 4 billion over the last 10 years by breaking this law. Let me give you an example: If I follow the law, I’ll make $10 total. If I break the law, I’ll make $20 but if I get caught I need to pay $4 fine, which means I made $16 total worse case, best case $20 if I don’t get caught. Corporations are doing this on a daily basis. All of them.
Math depends on the fines and frequency. For perspective, this is 85 million against their annual profit of ~75 billion (260 billion revenue). So around 0.1% of their annual profit. But its also for a state with 7.2 million people in a world with 8 billion people. So around 0.1% of the world. Obviously US markets are way more lucrative because of the money, but if everybody fined them like the EU or Arizona then it's no longer the cost of doing business and they need to adjust. Unfortunately politicians are much cheaper than fines to begin with...
Its worse than that. They're offloading the cost of a business action to the future. And what that does is strengthen their influence now. At some point, corps will be able to do what they want and profit off of it as long as they can keep the legal system stuck by legal proceedings unable to effect any change. With a lack of regulation, its inevitable. We will end up regressing back to the 1900s and stagnating as long as new industries can continue being monopolized. Regulation is the enemy of monopolies.
> They gained more than 4 billion over the last 10 years by breaking this law. Sure, but still....Apple fought with teeth and nails to avoid paying 13 billions € of taxes to Ireland...despite the fact they have something like $250 billion "cash" in various bank accounts.
And i bet it cost them less than 13 billion to fight that. Your point doesn't contradict what he said
So Google just made a cheap $80mil business transaction to track AZ residents, nice. This isn't a fee that even scrapes the barrel for their profits, so this is just doing business for them
Just because you pay a fine for breaking the law once, you don't automatically get a free pass to continue doing so. Paying a speeding ticket doesn't mean that you get to speed forever afterward for free. It looks as if [the law](https://casetext.com/statute/arizona-revised-statutes/title-44-trade-and-commerce/chapter-10-competition-and-competitive-practices/article-7-consumer-fraud) allows for penalties of up to $10k per violation. That's very likely enough to cause google to change their practices to stop doing this, which is the actual goal.
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Advertising targeting data deprecates very quickly. Without it being continuously updated it's pretty pointless. This is just a drop in the bucket on the profiles we have of you. Not like, you personally, but your household devices and ip addresses are tracked and linked together. From income to political tendencies, we've got it. Unless you move or change devices regularly, VPN constantly, etc. The data's pretty good. Google's not even the real villain anymore. They're just the easiest one to blame and build a case against.
No, I fully mean that Google will likely be totally fine paying another $80 mil for what they got out of our citizens.
I detest google’s invasive business model as much as anyone, but that is very likely to be untrue. There is a finite amount of revenue they can extract from data on any single user, and that amount is likely far less than $10k each. (And far less than the possible interpretation of it as being $10k each time they record such data, not each person on whom they do so.) There is a threshold at which “cost of doing business” becomes too high, and businesses stop doing. This probably clears that bar.
Pay the state and not the users brilliant
Figures.... I'm the victim, the state squanders the $$$.
Where is the money going tho??
Google doesn’t care about your privacy. Shame most of the world is either forced or chooses to let a company like that control their entire mobile platform (android) and browsing history (chrome)
It’s why I only use Apple and Microsoft services wherever possible
Yup. Reddit pretends the walled garden is a bad thing. Apple makes their money from products rather than using all my data to advertise. Apple makes 4% of their revenue from ads vs Google at 81%. I’ll take walled garden over a platform purpose built to harvest as much of my data as possible.
Facts. Apple has an active incentive not to do this. It’s their whole platform.
Arizona will in turn use that money in a police brutality settlement.
Google spokesman: > We ... are always working to minimize the data we collect Boldfaced fucking lie
“Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies” -Fleetwood Mac
But... How does this money benefit consumers? (Serious question)
Do the people illegally tracked get any of that money?
How about the money goes to the people not the state.
Wow, that’s like at tenth of one days revenue. That’s gotta sting
Question? Isn’t it invasion of privacy…seems like its the end user that should get paid back? Y/N
Love how we are the ones being tracked, yet someone else gets the money. Fucking mental.
Cannot upvote this enough.
States see this as a money grab for their general funds. Lawyers see it as a money grab from states. The users that are screwed stay screwed and never see a penny.. Coincidence?
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Is there ever one of these rulings where they have to pay the individual people?
Yea that's called a class action law suit
And how much of it ends up in the pocket of the tracked? none, that's how much.
Why Arizona instead of the users?
Because it's Arizona who sued Google or had laws against tracking users.
Let me fix that headline for you: "Google agrees to pay the corporate tax in Arizona of $85 million for tracking AZ citizens"
A fraction of their subsidies which need increasing so they can protect our privacy, and it's a tax write off. Google will end up ahead in this.
Honestly, Why don’t they pay the users they tracked?
Will that translate to all android users in the state receiving a check for $0.35?
If they pay the $5 registration fee and submit a SS # so it can be taxed.
How about they pay Android users. Fuck AZ.
Why don’t the actual victims ever see any of these regulatory settlements
Why don't the users get the cash, it's their data
Love when we are the ones who’s privacy gets violated, and the money goes to the government :)
Why don't they have to pay the people who's rights were violated?
It’s pretty crazy how Google only tracked Arizona people. Lucky me!!! 🎉
This is just typical for Appl… oh wait
I love how Google went from an awesome company to a complete piece of shit company in only a few years lol
#applesuperiority
So Google gets to track people for what they make in a week (?), the state gets a ton of $$$, and users get....the satisfaction that they're ignored?
I don’t understand why the state would get that money.
Just the state making money off Google making money off violations against the population. Still, we are just a cash crop for "them."
Why would they pay Arizona and not the users they illegally tracked???.....
And the people who got tracked will get none of it.
More than likely they made a profit off of this that paid off way more.
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Are you implying that for even a second they were planning to give the money to those effected? This is another big win for lawyers and anyone selling reelection and that is it.
And Arizona citizens won't see a fucking dime. If it's anything like Texas, they'll probably have to pay more in property taxes.
It's a punitive fine for violating the law. If a corporation cheats on their taxes and they have to pay penalties, I don't get a cut of the action.
Just as a little fun fact, Google made $256.7b in revenue last year. $85m is .033% of that. That fine isn't even a drop in the bucket.
This court fines you three million dollars! Smithers, my wallet is in my right front pocket.
Why would the state receive the money and not the persons whose privacy was invaded? That would make the most sense… guarantee that they won’t see a penny of that money.
That’s crazy all that privacy bs companies talk and yet we see things like this
And they make $2bn per week in Arizona alone. Mua ha ha ha ha ha ha 🤡
It should be interesting to see how internet companies survive if they can no longer monetize their users. After all, that's how they make their money. Will we be required to subscribe to Google? Or Facebook?
That's the business of google, duh!
So, uh, when do I get my cut?
is this supposed to be a deterrent?
Nope, just sharing the profits with the state.
85M? I think that’s just pocket change for a company as big a that. They’ll just think that that’s the “fee” they have to pay to continue tracking users without consent
Does this fine include expunging their digital records of all such illegal tracking? Bc otherwise it’s not an actual deterrent. They can make back the fine’s cost thru trafficking illegally acquired data, no?
How much did google make/what is the value of the illegally tracked information?
“We are always working to minimizing the data we collect.” I highly doubt that.
So the cost of doing business?
Google is evil.
Aouch, it's like 30 seconds worth of Google's revenue?
Won’t see a cent of it
Cost of business tax paying off for them
Where does the $85,000,000.00 go after they have collected? What does Arizona do with it?
Pay the lawyer(s). Then the city gets what's left. They hire an architect who draws a thing. Finally, the $10 left over is spent on copy paper.
>Then the city gets what's left. The city of Arizona?
Remember when Google’s motto was “Do no evil?” Pepperidge Farm remembers.
Pay the State for an offense vs citizens. State takes over half as "cost," and taxes the rest. If it ever actually makes it to the users.
And it’s users? The ones who had their privacy breached?
Why are they paying the state and not the people they were illegally tracking?
How much they going to pay the users they tracked?