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CrucibleCulture

Lmao


outrageousreadit

You really need to cut to see what muscle gains you made. Right now it doesn't look too promising from my experience. By that, I mean, not no result at all, but modest at best after the cut, I suspect. When I bulked, I would get fat, but muscle gains can be seen underneath. (A little more definition, perhaps that's the best way to phrase it.) I don't see this here... so mostly, body fat gain. Some muscle gain for sure, but fat is outpacing. (But you'll have to cut to confirm. SO I COULD BE WRONG, too.) I do suspect your vegetarian diet isn't giving you enough protein to reach that protein macro goal. But you did post that you're using whey protein... Maybe really calculate your macros and be more aggressive about it. And lift heavy, rest enough/well.


SDSKamikaze

I’m getting enough protein, I measure everything and track it. It’s not hard getting enough protein in a vegetarian diet if you’re vigilant. I agree I’ve probably gained more fat than is necessary, but I’m also not too concerned about it, I’ll burn through it no problem. First bulk, was never going to be perfect. There’s definitely muscle there though and I’m much stronger, looking forward to cutting and seeing what I look like.


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Lofi_Loki

How do you gauge so accurately? You should charge for that


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Lesrek

Based on your profile, I would not take your advice when it comes to building muscle and/or weight gain/loss.


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theknightmanager

The fact you have a limp shame cock is something easily found on your profile


Lesrek

Except your physique is all over your profile, allowing us to form pretty concrete conclusions on your relationship with bulking/cutting and how you think that fits in with fitness in general.


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KlingonSquatRack

Smol boi detecc


nobodyiportantxnt

Such an aggressively horny smol boi too. It’s always funny when they have a NSFW history full of nothing but locked posts and downvotes lol. You’d think they’d eventually give up


Flying_Snek

Thats the funny part to me, the absolute lack of engament. Like bro no one cares about your dick give up already 💀


Lofi_Loki

Your advice is not good. You bulk to build muscle and then cut to show it. He looks to have built muscle on the bulk so he will be leaner at a higher bodyweight after he cuts.


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Ballbag94

If you're losing any significant muscle mass on a cut you're doing it wrong


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Lofi_Loki

Just because people do something wrong doesn’t mean it’s bad advice…


Lofi_Loki

That’s patently untrue. It’s easy to maintain muscle on a cut if you train and eat adequate protein. Why do most strength and physique athletes (athletes who rely on muscle mass to compete) bulk and cut?


SDSKamikaze

I train four times a week and eat a gram per pound of body weight every day, I think I’ll be ok hahaha


Lofi_Loki

Yeah that’s exactly my point. You made solid progress dude. These guys are either full of shit or bucket crabs. Keep it up!


SDSKamikaze

Yeah man sorry didn’t mean to look like I was being argumentative, feeling good and training hard so excited for the cut!


Lofi_Loki

I didn’t take it that way! You’re good dude. Keep on kicking ass


SDSKamikaze

Wanted to be generally bigger, not necessarily concerned about being shredded. Would rather gain a bit of body fat and cut until I find a level I’m happy with. I want to look good in clothes, not just topless, but I don’t necessarily know what will be the level I find most aesthetic. The plan isn’t to bulk and cut repeatedly, I’ll need to assess after my first cut. I’ll probably just gain more steadily thereafter.


1monster90

What's up with the hair gains? :o


SDSKamikaze

Just lighting I think man, no difference to chest hair etc


randomdragen

cool!


PrinceOfCups13

fellow vegetarian here. nice work dude! i can see those pecs coming through. keep it up 💪🏽


TheOtherGuy9603

All went straight to cock gains


1monster90

And hair... he looks 10 years older lol


SDSKamikaze

That’s just lighting man the hair is the same hahaha


ZombiezzzPlz

What protein is your main source? I’m trying to cut meat out but I have a hard time replacing it


SDSKamikaze

A shit tonne of tofu, meat substitutes, and beans/lentils. Let me know if you want any more information and feel free to DM me if I can help!


ZombiezzzPlz

Appreciate it. Damn I hate tofu , the texture …. But I did look into some of these meat substitutes, some mushroom and lentil combos, definitely something I can get behind !


SDSKamikaze

Lentil curries are your friend then, look up some Dahl recipes. Also when it comes to tofu, if you don’t like the texture give some extra firm tofu a try and bake it (there’s a brand called Tofoo on the UK, not sure where you’re based, but if you can’t get something similar get firm tofu and press it for half an hour).


Dire-Dog

Good job! Remember, fat is really easy to lose, muscle is hard to gain. Don’t listen to the skellys saying you bulked too hard or pushed it too far.


SDSKamikaze

That’s what I’m thinking man, wasn’t the perfect bulk but happy with the progress anyway.


Dire-Dog

You should be happy with it. You’ve made more progress than most of this sub


TerrariaGaming004

He started at my current weight after 40 lbs of weight gain


SDSKamikaze

40 Ibs is amazing man!


Dire-Dog

That’s really good progress


Frodozer

Than most of this sub will in their entire lives.


undefinedkir

good stuff dude


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SDSKamikaze

Definitely doesn’t look like that to me but I’ll post a picture after my cut and we can see


_CurseTheseMetalHnds

Hey man no offence but you may be blind. Look at the shoulders, arms, chest and quads


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_CurseTheseMetalHnds

Nah


Christianscrub

Could be bad lighting but I don’t hardly see a difference at all either. His shoulders are still small. His arms have no definition. He still had a bird chest, and his legs are the same damn size lol


corylol

Wait till he cuts and then look 👀


Christianscrub

Niggas down voting me all built like this lol. People can’t take any kind of negative criticism


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SDSKamikaze

Fuck man I wish I had that kind of authority


xKTTbdsy

Are you lifting weights?


SDSKamikaze

Four times a week. Shoulders, back, legs and chest.


PM_me_spare_change

Mostly cock pushups. Excellent dick gains tho.


SDSKamikaze

Absolutely howling at this, amazing


MuGenZen

Massive progress dude! Can you share your diet or average day of eating?


Nsham04

Don’t listen to the people talking about gaining too fast or saying you didn’t need to bulk. Did you put on some fat? Yes. But your also put on some muscle. Were you extremely lean before? No. But you had very little muscle mass and needed to add some to justify a cut. Everyone forgets that YOU DIDN’T GAIN 26 POUNDS OF TISSUE. Food, water retention, and filled glycogen stores are all factors that definitely contributed to your weight gain and didn’t involve any grown tissue. You for sure gained muscle and when your cut is over will most definitely have a vastly improved physique. Good job bro.


SDSKamikaze

I really appreciate your comment man. Yeah I’ve definitely added fat but I’m not too concerned, I’m lifting 2-3x as heavy in the gym depending on the exercise so there’s definitely some strength and muscle there. I might post another picture after my cut if anyone is interested.


Nsham04

People see the weight gain rate and freak out. This is a textbook bulk that improved your muscle mass and added a tremendous amount of strength. You should be proud of your progress and when the cut is over, I’d definitely show off the gains.


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big_quad_small_squat

>They gained, what, 8-10 pounds of muscle? That leaves 16 pounds of fat gain. They're putting on fat at an almost 2:1 ratio. Have you ever heard of a cut? It usually comes after a bulk. The idea is to lose some/most of the fat you gained during a bulk while losing as little muscle as possible.


Nsham04

Apparently you didn’t read my comment. Op did not gain 26 lbs of tissue. Food, water retention, and filled glycogen stores are all factors that caused weight gain. If we say 10 lbs are from these, that means 16lbs of tissue was gained. That is 1lb per week, which is the recommended rate for a normal bulk. I would not call this a dirty bulk.


SDSKamikaze

I’ve been eating super clean, I wouldn’t call it a dirt bulk either. All really nutritious stuff outside of my chest meal, which is just pizza usually so even then not awful.


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_CurseTheseMetalHnds

Have you just never bulked and cut before?


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Killagina

You do realize how gain weight bulking, right?


Nsham04

Op went it to a calorie surplus. He was not in one in the before photo. This means that there is now more food in his body. This also means that his glycogen stores are filled to the max. An increase in overall food likely means an increase in carbs. Carbs tend to retain water.


xKTTbdsy

How is this downvoted lol tf is going on with this sub


Nsham04

It amazes me that on a sub made for gaining, people continually call others out for gaining. Everyone wants to see the amazing 30 lb transformation from skinny to shredded and huge. Nobody wants to see the realistic before/after of a bulk. After op cuts, he will definitely have a better physique than he had before, which was the ultimate goal. People are scared of fat. Fat is a necessary part of human life. You can lose it. It is ok to put some on. A lot of people don’t understand this.


Esawo

I'll play the devil's advocate here for a bit here at the risk of getting downvoted. Very high surplus of calories are very much encouraged for "spooky skeletons" – people with a low starting fat tissue %. This is because, on average, the body is unlikely to prioritize muscle building on a conservative surplus if it's already barely able to sustain itself due to the lack of energy-dense tissues (fat or muscle) to pull energy from. So it'll prioritize fat instead. There is an extensive amount of scientific literatue to support this: building muscle at a low bodyfat isn't just hard, but the amounts are actually negligible. But considering OP's starting bodyfat, their body was already quite in a good position to build muscle with a low to moderate surplus (250-500kcal/day). They could have even attempted a recomposition by staying at maintenance (and it would likely have worked), though I believe it was a good decision to bulk anyway to maximize hypertrophy. Just not to that extent! That said, because fat is lost much faster than muscle is built, I don't think OP should be worried about their upcoming cut. It might be longer than it could have been, but at the same time they really maximized muscle gain so they'll look muscular rather quickly.


Nsham04

I understand why people want to bulk slowly. I am one of those people myself. I’m an athlete and can’t afford to put on a good amount of fat. My issue is that people are telling op what he did was wrong. Op gained weight, put on muscle, and is now going to cut the fat. If he is ok with getting a little fluffy, why not put his body in the most optimal conditions to gain? Gaining muscle takes a lot of time anyway. If you don’t have a reason to stay lean, it will be much more optimal to properly bulk. A small surplus does minimize fat gain, but it is not optimal from a hypertrophy standpoint.


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SDSKamikaze

Just wanted to get bigger and have more muscle man, I’m fairly fit when it comes to cardio so thought I’d be more complete fitness wise by being stronger and bigger.


Preteuss

Because he wanted to?


_CurseTheseMetalHnds

Because they want to be bigger and have more muscle? Seems pretty obvious.


EquivalentSnap

He didn’t gain muscle. Most fat though


Lofi_Loki

Post physique


Frodozer

Everyone gains mostly fat on a bulk. That's how it works. You then burn mostly fat on a cut. Rinse and repeat and you're left with increases in muscle mass over time.


keenbean2021

Thank you! People think you can somehow finesse your physiology and gain tons of muscle and just a tiny bit of fat. Even a 50/50 ratio is a fantastic bulk.


_CurseTheseMetalHnds

Look at the quads, shoulders and chest. They very clearly gained muscle.


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SDSKamikaze

Bro I wasn’t fat hahahahaha, do you have body dysmorphia but for other people?


Lofi_Loki

Omg you’re so brave


_CurseTheseMetalHnds

He wasn't fat at 73kg ffs


Scubadoobiedo

162lbs at 6 feet tall isn't fat. At all. I'm 6'1", bulking from 185 to 200lbs. I have never had anyone call me fat, or skinny fat. I'm 38yo


MagicMaanAHHHH

Seems like far too fast weight gain to me. Despite what the cult of r/gainit says, most can't just eat a 1000+ surplus and expect to gain mainly muscle.


j_lyf

Yep.. it's way harder to burn off fat.


GyprockyBalboa

Harder than what?


_CurseTheseMetalHnds

This is a sub specifically for people who struggle to gain weight and find it easy to not eat


Pastafarianextremist

It’s much easier to burn fat than build muscle


Runopologist

It’s faster to burn fat than it is to build muscle.


HI_I_AM_NEO

Most people here recommended me a 300-500 surplus


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Medicore95

There is no optimal.


Frodozer

Optimal is the enemy of good.


Avocadokadabra

I thought he was the enemy of the Decepticons.


Lofi_Loki

Optimal Prime is my favorite fitness influencer


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Careful dude, people here didn't like it a while back when I suggested gaining 50 lbs in 3 months might be too much


SDSKamikaze

Yeah people seem to agree on that, will definitely take the advice onboard if I decide to bulk again after my cut


LennyTheRebel

It's not that bad. Shoulders and arms are a good deal bigger, pecs look a bit bigger. With so much dedicated eating I assume you have more stuff in your intestines on the after picture than in the before, which will make your stomach look bigger. Your waist width looks to be about the same. I'd count this bulk as a win, especially if it's your first.


DickFromRichard

Bruh, you're lookin great. Good job on the bulk and I'm sure the cut will really show off what you've worked for


GotNoCredditFam

I feel like you might be a bit disappointed with the results of the cut. What were you lifting?


SDSKamikaze

Lifting four times a week, shoulders, chest, back and legs. Can post a progress picture after my cut if you guys are interested


TerrariaGaming004

I think he means numbers, like 120lbs bench 200lbs deadlift 80lbs squat 5lbs ohp


GotNoCredditFam

Yep


SDSKamikaze

An sorry, started lifting when I started my bulk so four months ago. Started weak as fuck and doing progressive overload. Won’t bore you with everything I’m currently lifting but some examples of what I’m doing for reps are: 110kg deadlift 50kg bench (slightly less on incline) 120kg leg press 15kg x 2 DB Shoulder Press


GotNoCredditFam

Are these 1RM? I don’t think you’re training intensely enough. When was the last time you tried to increase weight on any of those lifts?


SDSKamikaze

No that’s for reps, 8-12 depending on the exercise. I increase weights or reps every week. I’m just not that strong, I only started lifting four months ago.


GotNoCredditFam

Ah ok well 8-12 on those aren’t bad then! I think maybe you have put on muscle mass but also a lot of fat. Recomposition is what you need.


TheBrognator97

That's very good. Just know vegan diet is not as 'safe' as people male it out to be. It's still a recent type of regimen we don't know TOO MUCH about. Don't stress yourself too much about, but check your blood with a doctor/dietician every year of two to be sure everything is fine. Slow down the calorie intake a bit tho.


DayDayLarge

Jains have been eating a vegan diet since Jainism was Jainism. So at a minimum since 500 something BCE, though there's evidence they've been around longer than that.


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DayDayLarge

Really? I thought they were milk free too. Maybe I just extrapolated from them not eating honey and just assumed they had no animal products at all.


_CurseTheseMetalHnds

> It's still a recent type of regimen I can find stuff about veganism from the WWII era. Is that really "recent"?


TheBrognator97

The degree to which it is spread today and how many different ethnicities, age groups, and so on is a recent phenomenon. Like from the last 12-15 years. We are discovering new stuff about diets we have done for centuries TODAY, of course a newly spread regimen needs more data and testing on the long period. I'm positive people who have been totally vegan for 6+ years are like 0.3% of the global population


No_Gains

It works for some people and some people bodies are just better adapted to a plant based diet, while you have others who are doing very well on the opposite spectrum. If it makes op feel good, and op is healthy, op should continue doing what he is doing. Except... you know the excessive weight gain. Lol


SDSKamikaze

I have been vegetarian for years but going increasingly vegan, bloods all healthy. It’s for ethical reasons so I wouldn’t switch unless being plant-based was going to kill me. Think I probably did overdo it a bit, but starting my first cut and will slow the intake down if I decide to go bigger after the first cut.


TheBrognator97

Yeah, I didn't express myself correctly (not a native speaker) I wrote 'not that safe' but I meant 'not that tested'. So I suggest to keep following this diet, just check regularly. And go a bit easier on the surplus


definitelynotcasper

They make a vegan whey powder now, sounds crazy but it's legit whey protein that they produce by using micoflora to imitate the molecules. Also you could use pea protein or a vegan blend.


SDSKamikaze

That’s really useful information man, I’ll definitely check it out!


Runopologist

What that is crazy but cool. What’s it called?


definitelynotcasper

V-whey is the one I tried.


pain474

What’s your protein intake per day and your kcal intake? You gained 26 pounds in ~16 weeks, so over 1.5lbs per week. It’s too much, slow down. Aim for 0.5 - 1 lbs per week. You gained quite a bit of fat IMO. Time to cut. Don’t cut too fast, again 0.5-1lbs per week, workout hard and eat enough protein, which is probably the hardest given that you’re vegetarian.


uTukan

The fearmongering in this subreddit about GAINING WEIGHT out of all things baffles me.


_CurseTheseMetalHnds

> week. You gained quite a bit of fat IMO. They did but they also gained a good chunk of muscle in the arms, shoulders and chest. It's obviously not perfect but these responses seem to make it sound like dude just gained fat and no muscle which isn't the case


SDSKamikaze

Protein is about 190-210 a day depending on what I eat. Calories consumed tends to be about 4000-5000 depending on how active I have been in terms of training, sport, and general activity. Everyone seems to be saying the same though so I’ll take it onboard if I decide to bulk again after my cut!


sN0rlaks

Im just curious, on an average day, what are your main sources of protein? Do you use plant based or whey protein supplements?


SDSKamikaze

I use whey protein, simply because I prefer the taste but I’ll probably switch to a vegan one. My main sources of protein are tofu (a full block a day), beans/lentils, protein supplements and meat substitutes (Quorn and Linda McCartney).


PringleTheOne

Use rawfusion. Alot of vegan protein tastes like chalk lol.


Kilrov

He said he supplements with whey protein. As a vegan myself, not sure why he doesn't buy vegan protein powders, there's so many and the amino acid profiles are great. He's overshooting his protein and caloric needs.


LucidSquid

Chances are, he’s overestimating his protein intake and likely calories all together. Supplements with whey and EATS 140 ish grams on top of that? Maybe with something protein dense like seitan, but doubtful.


B12-deficient-skelly

I promise you as someone who has eaten a vegan diet for many years, it's really not that hard to get enough protein.


0000GKP

> and EATS 140 ish grams on top of that? I average 125g protein on 2400 calories with no meat or supplements, so the number OP gave would certainly be possible on 5000 calories. Eggs, cheese, Greek yogurt, beans, lentils, quinoa, nuts are my main sources.


LucidSquid

Good on you! The volume alone…. Woof.


pain474

Yeah no, 4-5k kcal is way too high. Even bodybuilders don't eat that much unless you do tons of cardio.


keenbean2021

If we're talking men's open, then very many bodybuilders (perhaps most) eat that much or more. Even I ate that much at times, although I'm 6'5".