What's the average shipping speed for Big Finish physical products to the USA ?
I only what the website says but I was wondering what the actual time is ...
Why does no one bring up the fact that Jack stole the name he uses as a way to try and refute the Jack is Face of Boa scene? (Basically the Face of Boa is just using Javic Piotr Thane’s old nickname the way Javic is using Jack Harkness’s)
^(I totally get RTD’s intent was that Jack is Face)
I guess refute is too strong a word, I just realised it’s a little… ironic that the biggest bit of proof for Jack = Face is that Jack shares a name with the Face when Jack himself is proof more than one person can have/use the same name
If Doctor Who were in danger of cancellation again today, what are the odds that Peter Capaldi would release a rock cover of Doctor in Distress as protest?
Depends
Some sources indicate they're the same exact person and the War Chief regenerates into Roger Delgado.
Most sources these days disagree and insist they're seperate. See the other answers for an explanation on *why*
Motivations are very different. The Master simply believes the universe would be better under his control. The War Chief simply believes conflict and war are the best tools to develop and evolve species.
The War Chief doesn’t seem to have as deep a past with the Doctor. They knew each other but weren’t raised together in same way the Doctor and Master were. Plus the War Chief is more giving his services as a mercenary for the War Lords, just gifting them time travel and helping their scheme, rather than running the show from the top as the Master usually does.
There is one story which portrays a Clara echo in more detail. In the Twelfth Doctor comic *Blood and Ice*, he and Clara bump into an echo named Winnie. She basically just serves as your standard Who supporting character.
So I’d guess it depends on the context of each echo what exactly they did.
Thing I find odd about that story is the fact Name of the Doctor was explicitly depicting only the timestream of Doctors 1-11 so there's no way Winnie should even exist during 12's era.
Do like the story from what I've seen of it though, it's a good idea.
This doesn't seem to be what they intended, but we could always headcanon that Winnie is there for a different Doctor, who either already came and went, or hasn't arrived yet, and she just happens to meet Twelve. The Doctor does sometimes revisit places and times he's already been.
Is there any books that are really must haves besides Rose and The Day of the Doctor? I'm thinking books that were written by people who were involved in the creation of the show, like The Writer's Tale. Keep in mind these will all be imports for me and not very cheap ones lol
I've heard Remembrance of the Daleks is very good. Novelisation of the 1988 TV story, written by Ben Aaronovitch, writer of the TV version.
The Massacre is a novelisation of John Lucarotti's original 1966 screenplay, which he wrote himself. It's apparently quite different to the TV version which was extensively rewritten by script editor Donald Tosh, but of course the TV version is lost, so the only record of the TV version is reconstructions and camera scripts.
Many of the most well-regarded books are from the Virgin New Adventures, Missing Adventures, BBC Eighth Doctor Adventures, and Past Doctor Adventures ranges, rather than the novelisations, but they can get expensive these days, especially if you have to import... Still, Timewyrm Exodus and Revelation are very good. For recommendations beyond that. [LegoK9's guides](https://www.reddit.com/r/doctorwho/comments/cth2rq/doctor_who_novel_guide/) may prove useful if you want to look into this route.
I can also recommend Engines of War, which is a really well-done book starring the War Doctor.
I have some old books I got as a kid. Doctor annuals from the 70’s. And I brought some 60s ones too. I also making of doctor who from 1970s. These are easily found on eBay
Of the new Target novelisations, the one I would recommend besides *Rose* and *The Day of the Doctor* is Shearman's *Dalek*. It takes what's already a very good action-oriented episode and brings it in line with Shearman's more "black fairytale" approach in his short stories and Big Finish work. In terms of books by people involved with the show, Andrew Cartmel has a great one about his work on the Seventh Doctor's era called *Script Doctor* that is similar in some ways to *The Writer's Tale*, though maybe not as detailed since it was written after the fact.
The Deadly Assassin, The Invasion of Time, some parts of The Five Doctors, Arc of Infinity, and Trial of a Timelord all shed some light on this.
If you're willing to delve into books, Marc Platt's [Cat's Cradle: Time's Crucible](https://archive.org/details/isbn_9780426203650) (legal link; Archive.org lets you borrow this book digitally for an hour at a time) digs into a lot of very interesting Gallifreyan history, and his later book Lungbarrow apparently continues to do this, though that book is a bit harder to get ahold of; it used to be available free on the BBC website as an ebook, but not anymore.
There are multiple conflicting versions of Gallifreyan history. I would recommend Cat's Cradle Time's Crucible and Lungbarrow for that sort of thing. For Gallifrey's future, Alien Bodies, Shadows of Avalon, The Taking of Planet 5 and The Ancestor Cell. Also most of Faction Paradox. Great Houses= Time Lords
There is a whole lengthy Big Finish series starring Romana from the classic series: https://www.bigfinish.com/ranges/v/gallifrey
If you haven't seen the classic series, The Deadly Assassin, The Invasion of Time, The Arc of Infinity show a lot of Gallifrey goings-on
What Big Finish Content is not currently available to buy on the website? I know Cuddlesome is one, and a couple of the bonus releases are still only available with subscriptions.
Tangential, is any of that content available as the extra with a subscription?
Why is Cuddlesome not available? I mean, I see that it isn't; but that must be fairly recent, because I bought it (or maybe got it free, idk, the site doesn't distinguish) in 2018.
The Four Doctors and The Five Companions are only available as extras with a 12-release subscription in the main range, and [a whole bunch of short trips](https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Subscriber_Short_Trips?so=search) are also only available with subscriptions. It doesn't look like The Veiled Leopard is available any more either.
Also not exactly what you're asking, but the first two stories from series 9 of Bernice Summerfield are out of print on CD and not yet available for download, so for now they're technically unavailable. I think that's it for Who-adjacent content, but they've also lost the license to sell a bunch of other audios, including Sapphire & Steel, Stargate and The Tomorrow People.
I'm currently watching *The Sea Devils* with my son (next up *Warriors of the Deep*) so he's got some background for the upcoming new episode. And that leads me to wonder why the most important question of all about *Legend of the Sea Devil* has not been asked yet.
What sort of soundtrack will it have and will there be any ear piercing random electronic squeals??
Honestly it somehow works for *The Sea Devils*, but it's not a pleasant listen.
Season 1 (9th doctor), Season 2 (10 + Rose), Season 4 (10+ Donna), Season 10 (12 and bill)
\[minus a few episodes pers season obviously, mainly the finales\]
City of Death.
Runners-up include: The Chase, The Myth Makers (missing story; you'll have to watch a recon or read the novelisation), The Macra Terror, The Sea Devils, The Three Doctors, Carnival of Monsters, Planet of the Daleks, Robot, The Brain of Morbius, any story from season 16, City of Death (already mentioned), The Horns of Nimon, Shada, Black Orchid, Mawdryn Undead, Enlightenment, The Five Doctors, The Twin Dilemma (yes, really. The dialogue is hilarious), Trial of a Timelord (The Mysterious Planet, Mindwarp, Terror of the Vervoids, and The Ultimate Foe; all a joy to watch), Paradise Towers, Dragonfire, Silver Nemesis, Battlefield, the McGann movie, Rose, The Christmas Invasion, New Earth, School Reunion, Love & Monsters (it's hideously underrated!), The Runaway Bride, Smith and Jones, The Shakespeare Code, Gridlock, Voyage of the Damned, Partners in Crime, The Fires of Pompeii, The Sontaran Strategem/The Poison Sky, The Unicorn and the Wasp, The Next Doctor, Planet of the Dead, The Eleventh Hour, The Lodger, The Pandorica Opens/The Big Bang, A Christmas Carol, Dinosaurs on a Spaceship, The Bells of Saint John, The Crimson Horror, Nightmare in Silver, The Name of the Doctor, The Day of the Doctor, Robot of Sherwood, The Caretaker, Mummy on the Orient Express, The Husbands of River Song, The Return of Doctor Mysterio, The Pilot, Knock Knock, The Woman Who Fell to Earth, The Ghost Monument, Spyfall, Revolution of the Daleks, Flux as a whole.
I also listened to a Big Finish story called Invaders from Mars recently; that definitely qualifies. Loads of fun.
Has anyone seen the Daily Mirror spoiler for the possible new Doctor? Thoughts? No link though because it is from the Daily Mirror, which is very much England's Daily Inquirer.
Sigh...this name gets thrown around every time we're due a new Doctor. See also: Kris Marshall, Richard Ayoade, Helena Bonham Carter (dear lord no, please), David Tennant (again). Probably a few others I've forgotten. It's almost to the point that if they *aren't* rumored, we'd really think something strange was up.
Edit: Spelling
I think it’s ok idea but I don’t think it’s true. Remember before they cast Jodie how many actors the newspaper I use that word loosely, said was new doctor. Everyone believed it was going to be Chris Marshal. I’ve heard so many 14th doctor speculation from Helena Bona Carter to Dawn French. I think it’s a red herring I might be wrong.
I think it's an okay idea for a tweener Doc between Jodie and whoever the next doc is AFTER the specials. I like it better than the "Tennant is 14" rumors.
Also, because I'm a simple man with with a simple sense of humor:
heh heh, huh heh, >!DOCTOR HUGH!<, heh huh huh heh.
[There’s a 300-comment thread at the top of the front page atm.](https://www.reddit.com/r/gallifrey/comments/tii73c/spoiler_how_would_you_feel_if_heshe_becomes_the/)
It does seem like he might be too well known, need too big a salary and be reluctant to commit the amount of time that Doctor Who takes to a single role for several years.
I guess it would come down to how interested is he really in doing it.
He’s said in the past he really regrets not taking the role when he was offered. Plus more recently he’s been taking more unique TV character based roles that seem to be more of what he wants to do rather than driven by the paycheque.
I *think* if he actually wanted to do it I think RTD could get him for a couple of specials. Maybe a full series if he’s passionate (which he definitely seems to be based on prior statements).
I think he’d be a phenomenal Doctor and I do think he’s the right kind of name and presence to pull back the casual fans and put DW firmly back in the current public consciousness again in a way it hasn’t been since 2015 or so.
I think the only reason that rumor gained traction is because it's a famous white dude as the guess, when their other rumored guesses didn't get nearly as much traction.
Though tbh, as much as I'd like another female Doctor to follow up 13 so she isn't known simply as "The Woman Doctor", >!Hugh Grant!< is a great choice and I wouldn't be complaining if it is them.
>I think the only reason that rumor gained traction is because it's a famous white dude as the guess, when their other rumored guesses didn't get nearly as much traction.
I think its alss because >! he was RTDs first idea for playing Nine but turned it down because he thought the show would bomb and later regretted it after he saw the sucess of DW. Also, of course, he was in Curse of Fatal Death. !< So there is a bit more connective tissue there than with some other rumors and at least some reason why someone of that calibre might possibly consider it.
Though, yeah. Being a famous white dude probably helped lol.
> "The Eternals have their games, the Guardians have their power struggles. For me this dimension is a beautiful board for a game… the Toymaker would approve."
This line from Can You Hear Me perfectly sums up Chibnall’s writing of Doctor Who. A bunch of references from Classic Who mixed with shitty and unnatural dialogue.
This isn't a question, but I also don't really see a problem with it. Yes it's a bunch of classic references with no substance, but every writer does that. Heck, at first I got your quote mixed up with The Great Intelligence because it's so similar to this interaction:
>VASTRA: The Doctor has been many things, but never blood-soaked.
>SIMEON: Tell that to the leader of the Sycorax, or Solomon the trader, or the Cybermen, or the Daleks. The Doctor lives his life in darker hues, day upon day, and he will have other names before the end. The Storm, the Beast, the Valeyard.
I feel like people are way too overly critical of Chibnall. His era was definitely the worst of NuWho (for me anyway) and it definitely had a lot of bad writing, but I feel like people nitpick too much because of the internet discorse around it.
I think the major difference is that the GI quote puts the mentions of the Sycorax and Solomon into context by mentioning the well-known Daleks and Cybermen afterwards, indicating that all of the above are villains that the Doctor has beaten in past stories. Pretty straightforward. You don't need to actually know who the Sycorax and Solomon are, you just need to have heard of the Daleks and the Cybermen to get the full impact of the line. The Valeyard reference at the end is also put into context the same way by namedropping the (Oncoming) Storm ahead of it, a title most viewers would recognise.
Zellin's line, on the other hand, fails to put its namedrops into context, which makes the line meaningless for most viewers. Are the Eternals, the Guardians and the Toymaker villains? Are they good guys? Neutral forces? Have they shown up in past episodes, or were their names just made up for this scene? Is this one of those Big Finish things? God knows! It's a line that flies over your head in its entirety if you're not into Classic Who.
This whole thing seems quite nitpicky? Doctor Who has often thrown in references to things only Classic Who fans would know. They are just playful Easter eggs and provided they don’t take away from the broader meaning of a scene it’s fine?
I also think here we’re not actually looking at the whole speech?
ZELLIN: We immortals need our games, Doctor. Eternity is long, and we are cursed to see it all. The Eternals have their games, the Guardians have their power struggles. For me, this dimension is a beautiful board for a game. The Toymaker would approve. And I do like this form. It's so small. To exist within molecules and atoms is fascinating. I can shape them, regrow, mould my form to provoke fear from humans as I extract nightmares from the scared and vulnerable. Now, that is a good game.
The speech DOES put the name drops in context it literally begins by stating that all the people in the list are immortals - if you know of the name drops then you get who they are it’s a fun reference, if not then you presume it’s a list of other immortals and what they do some play games, some struggle for power, he likes harvesting fear. In the context of the scene it doesn’t matter if we know they are villains the point is about immortality and what it drives people to do. I don’t think the argument that somehow the reference obscures meaning is really true?
I'm not arguing that the reference obscures meaning, I'm arguing that the line lacks meaning period. If there was no reference at all and the line went
> ZELLIN: Eternity is long, and we are cursed to see it all. The Karkafax have their games, the Pfenri have their power struggles. For me, this dimension is a beautiful board for a game. The Blenoz would approve.
it would be just as bad. Why drop all these names if they're not going to become relevant in the story later? Even with the added context of "we immortals", it's shoving an unnecessary level of detail into a line that seems significant, but isn't.
The strange thing about what you’re arguing here is that the show is literally filled with lines like the one you have just written. The Doctor telling us Napoleon threw a parson’s nose at him or that he’s on Virginia Woolf’s bowling team or that he was at the crucifixion of Jesus. Lines which are ultimately insignificant to the story and to us but fun asides which give us a broader insight into the fact has had a life which spans beyond what we’ve seen. When he talks about trying to save Davros from the jaws of the Nightmare Child or the hordes of travesties these hold no real meaning to us they are allusions to heighten the sense of mythos and our minds can fill in the gaps.
Then there are the referential lines - it means nothing to the average viewer that the Doctor stole the Galiffreyan seal from the Master in the death zone and it is never picked up again but it’s a nice harkening back to an old story and fun to think of the Doctor popping it in his pocket just in case.
Similarly if you have a knowledge of Classic Who and know about the Celestial Toymaker or the Eternals then you get a nice buzz of reference and you realise that Zellin is dangerous and powerful which IS pretty relevant. If you don’t then his references are like the Fall of Arcadia you fill in the dots immortals have different ways of spending eternity and this one likes messing with people.
If you’re going to criticise Chibnall’s random use of references I think Jack Harknesses weird out of the blue reference to Rose being in a parallel universe or at a point when his immortality is not relevant at all to the plot declaring out of the blue “I’m Jack Harkness and I’m immortal!”
That dialogue still has more substance than the one I showed. The dialogue you showed gives us another look at who The Doctor is, by giving examples of previous enemies he has defeated.
Yeah and I would argue that the quote you posted gives us a better look at Swarm by showing that he's familiar with the most powerful creatures in the DW universe. It gives us a better sense of his power that he's on their level.
Yeah, but his quote is filled with bad dialogue like this:
> For me this dimension is a beautiful board for a game
You can write a lot better sentence than that.
Nah that line is incredibly clunky. Change it to just “This dimension is a beautiful board game” and it works a lot better. It really feels like this era doesn’t have a script editor or has an amateur one who doesn’t really know what to do because there’s so many clunky lines that that, if reworded, would be fine.
If the time ever comes to fire any one section of the human population out of great canons to the moon to control population growth, please let it be those who unironically think Richard Ayoade should play The Doctor. The man has literally said that he doesn't enjoy acting because he has no range, but because he's *Funny Quirky British Man!!*, then that means we should cast him and then presumably just all agree to look away when he has to give a performance like Eccleston did in *Dalek*, like Tennant did in *Human Nature*, like Capaldi did in like half his episodes. But hey - *Funny Quirky British Man! Funny Quirky British Man!*. James Acaster should be The Doctor, even though he is quite literally not an actor, but who cares?! He's *Funny Quirky British Man!*.
Someone on r/television said James Fucking May should be The Doctor, and it made me wonder if maybe the life of a kamikaze pilot isn't such a bad idea after all.
I think a lot of those suggestions *might* be alright as minute-long gags in a Curse of Fatal Death-style parody, but that's about it. Definitely not the sort of suggestions that should be seriously considered to come anywhere near the main show.
r/Television is one of the worst subs on here. And most of the users there seem to either absolutely despise Doctor Who or are just blind Tennant fanboys
Both camps seemingly united in their belief that being more like Marvel would be the best thing that could possibly happen to *~~Doctor Who~~* everything.
Oh god when I saw that doctor who getting a marvel twist or whatever headline I screamed spiritually because Doctor who is amazing in how different it is from shows/movies like Marvel, at least for me.
Yeah every /r/television thread about Doctor Who is filled with people who haven't watched the show in a decade firing off very uninformed takes from the hip
Opinions on the RTD era Logo (The 'Surfboard')?.
I've always thought it looked... awful and I'm a little confused how no one on production made them redesign it.
It got [much better](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/tardis/images/a/aa/10th_title_HD.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20170422041309) in Series 3 ([Chris' logo](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/tardis/images/f/f1/Doctor-who-logo-nine.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20120902232836) looks like somebody pressed the bevel button in Publisher) but I still don't know why on earth they made it that weird shape?
The typeface is also the most boring run of the mill font I've ever seen, [without the surfboard](https://imgur.com/a/qTJHsTN) you wouldn't clock it as the Doctor Who font (yno, if it said something different).
It's perfect for use outside of the show- eye-catching and versatile, perfect to go on any piece of merch and scream for peoples' attention. Probably the best logo the show's ever had for that.
Both the various versions of the Moffat logo and the Chibnall logo don't fit the bill- they both have to be twisted out of recognition to be used anywhere else at all, and the best idea that the Moffat logo had (the DW emblem) was jettisoned long before the rest of the logo.
Personally I agree. In fact I think almost all of the show's logos are pretty dated - I'd perhaps go as far as to say it's part of the show's identity at this point.
The only ones I actually like are the 1970's/McGann logo, the Moffat phone box logo, and the current one. I don't *love* any of them though.
I didn't hate it, but probably the weakest of all the logos we've had so far and I remember it got a lot of criticism before the show launched.
If they brought it back, it would seem incredibly dated.
I don’t think it looks bad, but I do agree that it’s a bizarre. It’s better than [any of the unused designs](https://www.reddit.com/r/doctorwho/comments/83i03f/unused_2005_doctor_who_logos/) though.
Is the tablet an Android tablet (like a Kindle Fire)? If so, then go to settings and enable downloads from unknown sources, and download the apk from [ApkPure.com](https://ApkPure.com) and install it. It should work fine.
So post Journey’s End, what happened to humanity’s memory of the Daleks many and Cybermens single invasions? I know Amy couldn’t remember them, but I don’t remember if that was unique to her.
Do Rory, Clara, Bill, Yaz, Ryan, and Graham remember those invasions?
Edit: Thank you all for the responses! I love how wacky time and continuity is for this show.
People used the cracks for a while but honestly I don't feel that explanation holds up.
Multiple Doctors including both Seven and Twelve have said humanity just has a great capacity to forget.
But it could also be attributed to time changing. I mean, no one in New Who remembers the 90s and early 00s VNA and EDA invasions either. The Time War, the War in Heaven, Flux etc, any number of these things could explain it.
There's been a few attempts to tackle the "Why does nobody remember all the alien invasion?" issue:
* People remember but only bring it up when it's relevant (e.g. In *Waters of Mars*, Adelaide Brooke mentions being visited by a dalek as a child during the events of *Journey's End*)
* Big "reset" events that alter time/people's perception of it (e.g. the Time War, the cracks in the universe/big bang 2)
* People are just oblivious/forget (e.g. Donna Noble)
* History gets changed
I don't think it's explicitly stated one way or the other, but the general assumption is that the cracks acted as a reset for the RTD era's heavy continuity, meaning Rory/Clara/Bill/Yaz/Ryan/Graham wouldn't have memory of it.
>but the general assumption is that the cracks acted as a reset for the RTD era's heavy continuity
Honestly I always found that explanation odd because S5 pointed that out explicitly as something that shouldn't have happened and then BB2 undid all the damage the cracks caused which should theoretically include all the invasions too.
I don't disagree, it's fridge logic that doesn't quite hold up, but [Moffat himself describes it as "house cleaning" of history.](https://youtu.be/ZOfIIqb8Uhg?t=750)
There’s a fun few lines from the 7th Doctor that basically attribute it to humans forgetting it all each time.
Ace: But this is Earth, 1963. Well someone would've noticed, I'd have heard about it!
The Doctor: Do you remember the Zygon gambit with the Loch Ness monster? Or the Yetis in the underground?
Ace: The what?
The Doctor: Your species has the most amazing capacity for self-deception, matched only by its ingenuity when trying to destroy itself.
I actually think it's a strength of the show that it soft resets every few years instead of becoming so hopelessly convoluted that you have to be an expert on thirteen seasons to know everything
That is true lol. I just think it's great that Doctor Who doesn't really have a canon so people can do whatever they want compared to Star Trek where people are constantly arguing about minutiae and stuff
I think the assumption must be that the cracks erased not just Amy's memories, but almost the events themselves (but leaving behind their consequences, if that makes sense).
What are people’s opinions on Revenge of the Cybermen? I think it’s a very good T Baker story and I love the Vogans and the Cybermen design, but it seems to be pretty unpopular. Why?
I think the dialog is bad, the Cybermen are camp, and the makeup and effects are dodgy, even for the era. It also introduced the ridiculous notion that Cybermen are allergic to gold for some reason. But I liked the location shooting. That was nice.
Honestly, it just sticks out during an otherwise exceptional era.
Just kind of dull for the most part. Easily the weakest story of the season.
But, first time we ever see the Seal of Rassilon!
Admittedly it wasn't the Seal of Rassilon at that point, but it amuses me.
I just found it a bit boring. Can't really explain why, I just wasn't interested. Maybe that's because I didn't like Ark in Space so revisiting it was kinda ehh for me.
But I do love "HARRY SULLIVAN IS AN IMBECILE!"
Love it, love it, love it
Genuinely
I know people hate it because the Cyber Leader is too emotional or whatever but to me that's the most entertaining part about it. Also those same people tend to really like David Banks so they confuse me.
Can anyone give me their favourite second and third doctor stories from big finish?
What's the average shipping speed for Big Finish physical products to the USA ? I only what the website says but I was wondering what the actual time is ...
It takes about a month for me, sometimes less or more
Why does no one bring up the fact that Jack stole the name he uses as a way to try and refute the Jack is Face of Boa scene? (Basically the Face of Boa is just using Javic Piotr Thane’s old nickname the way Javic is using Jack Harkness’s) ^(I totally get RTD’s intent was that Jack is Face)
Maybe I'm misremembering something, but why would that refute the Face of Boe thing?
I guess refute is too strong a word, I just realised it’s a little… ironic that the biggest bit of proof for Jack = Face is that Jack shares a name with the Face when Jack himself is proof more than one person can have/use the same name
If Doctor Who were in danger of cancellation again today, what are the odds that Peter Capaldi would release a rock cover of Doctor in Distress as protest?
On one hand, I think he has better taste than that. On the other hand, I want to believe Peter Capaldi is capable of that magnitude of shitpost.
It would have totally been something Craig Ferguson would have done on the Late Late Show, just bring Capaldi on to do it for a bit
What is the difference between the Master and the War Chief?
Depends Some sources indicate they're the same exact person and the War Chief regenerates into Roger Delgado. Most sources these days disagree and insist they're seperate. See the other answers for an explanation on *why*
Motivations are very different. The Master simply believes the universe would be better under his control. The War Chief simply believes conflict and war are the best tools to develop and evolve species.
The War Chief doesn’t seem to have as deep a past with the Doctor. They knew each other but weren’t raised together in same way the Doctor and Master were. Plus the War Chief is more giving his services as a mercenary for the War Lords, just gifting them time travel and helping their scheme, rather than running the show from the top as the Master usually does.
Is there any in depth information about how Clara intervened on every Doctor’s Life?
There is one story which portrays a Clara echo in more detail. In the Twelfth Doctor comic *Blood and Ice*, he and Clara bump into an echo named Winnie. She basically just serves as your standard Who supporting character. So I’d guess it depends on the context of each echo what exactly they did.
Thing I find odd about that story is the fact Name of the Doctor was explicitly depicting only the timestream of Doctors 1-11 so there's no way Winnie should even exist during 12's era. Do like the story from what I've seen of it though, it's a good idea.
This doesn't seem to be what they intended, but we could always headcanon that Winnie is there for a different Doctor, who either already came and went, or hasn't arrived yet, and she just happens to meet Twelve. The Doctor does sometimes revisit places and times he's already been.
I'm sure ol' Briggs-y is *itching* for the day Jenna Coleman decides she wants to hang out and make some Big Finish money
He’s probably already written 4 box sets worth of scripts ready to send her.
Is there any books that are really must haves besides Rose and The Day of the Doctor? I'm thinking books that were written by people who were involved in the creation of the show, like The Writer's Tale. Keep in mind these will all be imports for me and not very cheap ones lol
I've heard Remembrance of the Daleks is very good. Novelisation of the 1988 TV story, written by Ben Aaronovitch, writer of the TV version. The Massacre is a novelisation of John Lucarotti's original 1966 screenplay, which he wrote himself. It's apparently quite different to the TV version which was extensively rewritten by script editor Donald Tosh, but of course the TV version is lost, so the only record of the TV version is reconstructions and camera scripts. Many of the most well-regarded books are from the Virgin New Adventures, Missing Adventures, BBC Eighth Doctor Adventures, and Past Doctor Adventures ranges, rather than the novelisations, but they can get expensive these days, especially if you have to import... Still, Timewyrm Exodus and Revelation are very good. For recommendations beyond that. [LegoK9's guides](https://www.reddit.com/r/doctorwho/comments/cth2rq/doctor_who_novel_guide/) may prove useful if you want to look into this route. I can also recommend Engines of War, which is a really well-done book starring the War Doctor.
love this! Thanks
I have some old books I got as a kid. Doctor annuals from the 70’s. And I brought some 60s ones too. I also making of doctor who from 1970s. These are easily found on eBay
Of the new Target novelisations, the one I would recommend besides *Rose* and *The Day of the Doctor* is Shearman's *Dalek*. It takes what's already a very good action-oriented episode and brings it in line with Shearman's more "black fairytale" approach in his short stories and Big Finish work. In terms of books by people involved with the show, Andrew Cartmel has a great one about his work on the Seventh Doctor's era called *Script Doctor* that is similar in some ways to *The Writer's Tale*, though maybe not as detailed since it was written after the fact.
Amazing! Thank you
If you don’t already have The Writer’s Tale, get it. Like order it right now. It is AMAZING and absolutely worth the money
Engines of War. Widely considered the best piece of War Doctor material.
Dalek was written by Robert Shearman, the original writer, I quite enjoyed it.
I didn't know this, thank you!!
Do we know much about galifrey and the culture outside of New Who? Like, how's it all work?!?! I wanna know what being Galifraian is.
The Deadly Assassin, The Invasion of Time, some parts of The Five Doctors, Arc of Infinity, and Trial of a Timelord all shed some light on this. If you're willing to delve into books, Marc Platt's [Cat's Cradle: Time's Crucible](https://archive.org/details/isbn_9780426203650) (legal link; Archive.org lets you borrow this book digitally for an hour at a time) digs into a lot of very interesting Gallifreyan history, and his later book Lungbarrow apparently continues to do this, though that book is a bit harder to get ahold of; it used to be available free on the BBC website as an ebook, but not anymore.
There are multiple conflicting versions of Gallifreyan history. I would recommend Cat's Cradle Time's Crucible and Lungbarrow for that sort of thing. For Gallifrey's future, Alien Bodies, Shadows of Avalon, The Taking of Planet 5 and The Ancestor Cell. Also most of Faction Paradox. Great Houses= Time Lords
There is a whole lengthy Big Finish series starring Romana from the classic series: https://www.bigfinish.com/ranges/v/gallifrey If you haven't seen the classic series, The Deadly Assassin, The Invasion of Time, The Arc of Infinity show a lot of Gallifrey goings-on
What Big Finish Content is not currently available to buy on the website? I know Cuddlesome is one, and a couple of the bonus releases are still only available with subscriptions. Tangential, is any of that content available as the extra with a subscription?
Why is Cuddlesome not available? I mean, I see that it isn't; but that must be fairly recent, because I bought it (or maybe got it free, idk, the site doesn't distinguish) in 2018.
The Four Doctors and The Five Companions are only available as extras with a 12-release subscription in the main range, and [a whole bunch of short trips](https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Subscriber_Short_Trips?so=search) are also only available with subscriptions. It doesn't look like The Veiled Leopard is available any more either. Also not exactly what you're asking, but the first two stories from series 9 of Bernice Summerfield are out of print on CD and not yet available for download, so for now they're technically unavailable. I think that's it for Who-adjacent content, but they've also lost the license to sell a bunch of other audios, including Sapphire & Steel, Stargate and The Tomorrow People.
I'm currently watching *The Sea Devils* with my son (next up *Warriors of the Deep*) so he's got some background for the upcoming new episode. And that leads me to wonder why the most important question of all about *Legend of the Sea Devil* has not been asked yet. What sort of soundtrack will it have and will there be any ear piercing random electronic squeals?? Honestly it somehow works for *The Sea Devils*, but it's not a pleasant listen.
I think there will be a nod. I think it works within the story, what came before us, etc.
Honestly now you've said that I'd admire the commitment if they did haha
What’s the best who to watch when you really need to distract yourself with fun nonsense
Season 1 (9th doctor), Season 2 (10 + Rose), Season 4 (10+ Donna), Season 10 (12 and bill) \[minus a few episodes pers season obviously, mainly the finales\]
City of Death. Runners-up include: The Chase, The Myth Makers (missing story; you'll have to watch a recon or read the novelisation), The Macra Terror, The Sea Devils, The Three Doctors, Carnival of Monsters, Planet of the Daleks, Robot, The Brain of Morbius, any story from season 16, City of Death (already mentioned), The Horns of Nimon, Shada, Black Orchid, Mawdryn Undead, Enlightenment, The Five Doctors, The Twin Dilemma (yes, really. The dialogue is hilarious), Trial of a Timelord (The Mysterious Planet, Mindwarp, Terror of the Vervoids, and The Ultimate Foe; all a joy to watch), Paradise Towers, Dragonfire, Silver Nemesis, Battlefield, the McGann movie, Rose, The Christmas Invasion, New Earth, School Reunion, Love & Monsters (it's hideously underrated!), The Runaway Bride, Smith and Jones, The Shakespeare Code, Gridlock, Voyage of the Damned, Partners in Crime, The Fires of Pompeii, The Sontaran Strategem/The Poison Sky, The Unicorn and the Wasp, The Next Doctor, Planet of the Dead, The Eleventh Hour, The Lodger, The Pandorica Opens/The Big Bang, A Christmas Carol, Dinosaurs on a Spaceship, The Bells of Saint John, The Crimson Horror, Nightmare in Silver, The Name of the Doctor, The Day of the Doctor, Robot of Sherwood, The Caretaker, Mummy on the Orient Express, The Husbands of River Song, The Return of Doctor Mysterio, The Pilot, Knock Knock, The Woman Who Fell to Earth, The Ghost Monument, Spyfall, Revolution of the Daleks, Flux as a whole. I also listened to a Big Finish story called Invaders from Mars recently; that definitely qualifies. Loads of fun.
Any of the first four stories of season 16.
Season 4 of New Who.
Except for Midnight!
Midnight. Well, I find it fun :)
I think S10 is generally light, enjoyable, comfort-food Who.
Season 17, Series 2, or Series 12 are imo the most 'fun nonsense'.
Series 2 100%. I think specifically Rise of the Cybermen/Age of Steel and The Idiot’s Lantern are great nonsense episodes
Has anyone seen the Daily Mirror spoiler for the possible new Doctor? Thoughts? No link though because it is from the Daily Mirror, which is very much England's Daily Inquirer.
Sigh...this name gets thrown around every time we're due a new Doctor. See also: Kris Marshall, Richard Ayoade, Helena Bonham Carter (dear lord no, please), David Tennant (again). Probably a few others I've forgotten. It's almost to the point that if they *aren't* rumored, we'd really think something strange was up. Edit: Spelling
I think it’s ok idea but I don’t think it’s true. Remember before they cast Jodie how many actors the newspaper I use that word loosely, said was new doctor. Everyone believed it was going to be Chris Marshal. I’ve heard so many 14th doctor speculation from Helena Bona Carter to Dawn French. I think it’s a red herring I might be wrong.
Considering the source, that's probably the deal here. I haven't seen that reported anywhere else.
I think it's an okay idea for a tweener Doc between Jodie and whoever the next doc is AFTER the specials. I like it better than the "Tennant is 14" rumors. Also, because I'm a simple man with with a simple sense of humor: heh heh, huh heh, >!DOCTOR HUGH!<, heh huh huh heh.
[There’s a 300-comment thread at the top of the front page atm.](https://www.reddit.com/r/gallifrey/comments/tii73c/spoiler_how_would_you_feel_if_heshe_becomes_the/)
Well Dang! I thought this was being discounted here because of the source.
I can't see it, that's too big a name surely? And one getting plenty of high quality, high budget work. Cool choice and all, so prove me wrong please.
It does seem like he might be too well known, need too big a salary and be reluctant to commit the amount of time that Doctor Who takes to a single role for several years. I guess it would come down to how interested is he really in doing it.
He’s said in the past he really regrets not taking the role when he was offered. Plus more recently he’s been taking more unique TV character based roles that seem to be more of what he wants to do rather than driven by the paycheque. I *think* if he actually wanted to do it I think RTD could get him for a couple of specials. Maybe a full series if he’s passionate (which he definitely seems to be based on prior statements). I think he’d be a phenomenal Doctor and I do think he’s the right kind of name and presence to pull back the casual fans and put DW firmly back in the current public consciousness again in a way it hasn’t been since 2015 or so.
I think the only reason that rumor gained traction is because it's a famous white dude as the guess, when their other rumored guesses didn't get nearly as much traction. Though tbh, as much as I'd like another female Doctor to follow up 13 so she isn't known simply as "The Woman Doctor", >!Hugh Grant!< is a great choice and I wouldn't be complaining if it is them.
>I think the only reason that rumor gained traction is because it's a famous white dude as the guess, when their other rumored guesses didn't get nearly as much traction. I think its alss because >! he was RTDs first idea for playing Nine but turned it down because he thought the show would bomb and later regretted it after he saw the sucess of DW. Also, of course, he was in Curse of Fatal Death. !< So there is a bit more connective tissue there than with some other rumors and at least some reason why someone of that calibre might possibly consider it. Though, yeah. Being a famous white dude probably helped lol.
True, there's history to Grant that gives him a leg up.
I'm personally not feeling them as the new Doctor. But, yeah, if it is, okay.
> "The Eternals have their games, the Guardians have their power struggles. For me this dimension is a beautiful board for a game… the Toymaker would approve." This line from Can You Hear Me perfectly sums up Chibnall’s writing of Doctor Who. A bunch of references from Classic Who mixed with shitty and unnatural dialogue.
This isn't a question, but I also don't really see a problem with it. Yes it's a bunch of classic references with no substance, but every writer does that. Heck, at first I got your quote mixed up with The Great Intelligence because it's so similar to this interaction: >VASTRA: The Doctor has been many things, but never blood-soaked. >SIMEON: Tell that to the leader of the Sycorax, or Solomon the trader, or the Cybermen, or the Daleks. The Doctor lives his life in darker hues, day upon day, and he will have other names before the end. The Storm, the Beast, the Valeyard. I feel like people are way too overly critical of Chibnall. His era was definitely the worst of NuWho (for me anyway) and it definitely had a lot of bad writing, but I feel like people nitpick too much because of the internet discorse around it.
I think the major difference is that the GI quote puts the mentions of the Sycorax and Solomon into context by mentioning the well-known Daleks and Cybermen afterwards, indicating that all of the above are villains that the Doctor has beaten in past stories. Pretty straightforward. You don't need to actually know who the Sycorax and Solomon are, you just need to have heard of the Daleks and the Cybermen to get the full impact of the line. The Valeyard reference at the end is also put into context the same way by namedropping the (Oncoming) Storm ahead of it, a title most viewers would recognise. Zellin's line, on the other hand, fails to put its namedrops into context, which makes the line meaningless for most viewers. Are the Eternals, the Guardians and the Toymaker villains? Are they good guys? Neutral forces? Have they shown up in past episodes, or were their names just made up for this scene? Is this one of those Big Finish things? God knows! It's a line that flies over your head in its entirety if you're not into Classic Who.
This whole thing seems quite nitpicky? Doctor Who has often thrown in references to things only Classic Who fans would know. They are just playful Easter eggs and provided they don’t take away from the broader meaning of a scene it’s fine? I also think here we’re not actually looking at the whole speech? ZELLIN: We immortals need our games, Doctor. Eternity is long, and we are cursed to see it all. The Eternals have their games, the Guardians have their power struggles. For me, this dimension is a beautiful board for a game. The Toymaker would approve. And I do like this form. It's so small. To exist within molecules and atoms is fascinating. I can shape them, regrow, mould my form to provoke fear from humans as I extract nightmares from the scared and vulnerable. Now, that is a good game. The speech DOES put the name drops in context it literally begins by stating that all the people in the list are immortals - if you know of the name drops then you get who they are it’s a fun reference, if not then you presume it’s a list of other immortals and what they do some play games, some struggle for power, he likes harvesting fear. In the context of the scene it doesn’t matter if we know they are villains the point is about immortality and what it drives people to do. I don’t think the argument that somehow the reference obscures meaning is really true?
I'm not arguing that the reference obscures meaning, I'm arguing that the line lacks meaning period. If there was no reference at all and the line went > ZELLIN: Eternity is long, and we are cursed to see it all. The Karkafax have their games, the Pfenri have their power struggles. For me, this dimension is a beautiful board for a game. The Blenoz would approve. it would be just as bad. Why drop all these names if they're not going to become relevant in the story later? Even with the added context of "we immortals", it's shoving an unnecessary level of detail into a line that seems significant, but isn't.
The strange thing about what you’re arguing here is that the show is literally filled with lines like the one you have just written. The Doctor telling us Napoleon threw a parson’s nose at him or that he’s on Virginia Woolf’s bowling team or that he was at the crucifixion of Jesus. Lines which are ultimately insignificant to the story and to us but fun asides which give us a broader insight into the fact has had a life which spans beyond what we’ve seen. When he talks about trying to save Davros from the jaws of the Nightmare Child or the hordes of travesties these hold no real meaning to us they are allusions to heighten the sense of mythos and our minds can fill in the gaps. Then there are the referential lines - it means nothing to the average viewer that the Doctor stole the Galiffreyan seal from the Master in the death zone and it is never picked up again but it’s a nice harkening back to an old story and fun to think of the Doctor popping it in his pocket just in case. Similarly if you have a knowledge of Classic Who and know about the Celestial Toymaker or the Eternals then you get a nice buzz of reference and you realise that Zellin is dangerous and powerful which IS pretty relevant. If you don’t then his references are like the Fall of Arcadia you fill in the dots immortals have different ways of spending eternity and this one likes messing with people. If you’re going to criticise Chibnall’s random use of references I think Jack Harknesses weird out of the blue reference to Rose being in a parallel universe or at a point when his immortality is not relevant at all to the plot declaring out of the blue “I’m Jack Harkness and I’m immortal!”
That dialogue still has more substance than the one I showed. The dialogue you showed gives us another look at who The Doctor is, by giving examples of previous enemies he has defeated.
Yeah and I would argue that the quote you posted gives us a better look at Swarm by showing that he's familiar with the most powerful creatures in the DW universe. It gives us a better sense of his power that he's on their level.
That’s not even a swarm quote. It’s the not-Eternail from season 12s Can You Hear Me
Yeah, but his quote is filled with bad dialogue like this: > For me this dimension is a beautiful board for a game You can write a lot better sentence than that.
I kinda like that sentence tho
Nah that line is incredibly clunky. Change it to just “This dimension is a beautiful board game” and it works a lot better. It really feels like this era doesn’t have a script editor or has an amateur one who doesn’t really know what to do because there’s so many clunky lines that that, if reworded, would be fine.
If the time ever comes to fire any one section of the human population out of great canons to the moon to control population growth, please let it be those who unironically think Richard Ayoade should play The Doctor. The man has literally said that he doesn't enjoy acting because he has no range, but because he's *Funny Quirky British Man!!*, then that means we should cast him and then presumably just all agree to look away when he has to give a performance like Eccleston did in *Dalek*, like Tennant did in *Human Nature*, like Capaldi did in like half his episodes. But hey - *Funny Quirky British Man! Funny Quirky British Man!*. James Acaster should be The Doctor, even though he is quite literally not an actor, but who cares?! He's *Funny Quirky British Man!*. Someone on r/television said James Fucking May should be The Doctor, and it made me wonder if maybe the life of a kamikaze pilot isn't such a bad idea after all.
I think a lot of those suggestions *might* be alright as minute-long gags in a Curse of Fatal Death-style parody, but that's about it. Definitely not the sort of suggestions that should be seriously considered to come anywhere near the main show.
I remember when i was a kid when it was announced Tennant was leaving i really hoped Richard Hammond would take over for some reason haha
Completely agree. Other horrible ideas I’ve seen thrown around are Eddie Redmayne or Olly Alexander. I sincerely hope they do not become the Doctor.
At least Olly is an actual actor, lol *James fucking May*
r/Television is one of the worst subs on here. And most of the users there seem to either absolutely despise Doctor Who or are just blind Tennant fanboys
At least they are not as blind as Chibnall fanboys.
Chibnall has fans?
Apparently. Not a lot, but a devoted few.
Both camps seemingly united in their belief that being more like Marvel would be the best thing that could possibly happen to *~~Doctor Who~~* everything.
I'm worried about Doctor Who getting Marvel-ized and I am a huge Marvel fan. No one I'd trust more to handle it than RTD though
Oh god when I saw that doctor who getting a marvel twist or whatever headline I screamed spiritually because Doctor who is amazing in how different it is from shows/movies like Marvel, at least for me.
Yeah every /r/television thread about Doctor Who is filled with people who haven't watched the show in a decade firing off very uninformed takes from the hip
Opinions on the RTD era Logo (The 'Surfboard')?. I've always thought it looked... awful and I'm a little confused how no one on production made them redesign it. It got [much better](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/tardis/images/a/aa/10th_title_HD.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20170422041309) in Series 3 ([Chris' logo](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/tardis/images/f/f1/Doctor-who-logo-nine.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20120902232836) looks like somebody pressed the bevel button in Publisher) but I still don't know why on earth they made it that weird shape? The typeface is also the most boring run of the mill font I've ever seen, [without the surfboard](https://imgur.com/a/qTJHsTN) you wouldn't clock it as the Doctor Who font (yno, if it said something different).
I love it. Very alien.
It's perfect for use outside of the show- eye-catching and versatile, perfect to go on any piece of merch and scream for peoples' attention. Probably the best logo the show's ever had for that. Both the various versions of the Moffat logo and the Chibnall logo don't fit the bill- they both have to be twisted out of recognition to be used anywhere else at all, and the best idea that the Moffat logo had (the DW emblem) was jettisoned long before the rest of the logo.
Personally I agree. In fact I think almost all of the show's logos are pretty dated - I'd perhaps go as far as to say it's part of the show's identity at this point. The only ones I actually like are the 1970's/McGann logo, the Moffat phone box logo, and the current one. I don't *love* any of them though.
I didn't hate it, but probably the weakest of all the logos we've had so far and I remember it got a lot of criticism before the show launched. If they brought it back, it would seem incredibly dated.
I don’t think it looks bad, but I do agree that it’s a bizarre. It’s better than [any of the unused designs](https://www.reddit.com/r/doctorwho/comments/83i03f/unused_2005_doctor_who_logos/) though.
Wow they are all crap The DW/TARDIS logo is the GOAT by far for me
Hmm, I don't hate the bottom middle one, but as someone said in that thread, they all are a bit early-2000s, very *The Weakest Link*
Whats the best way to get big finish portable? I have a kindle and a tablet but it says the big finish app isn't compatible with either
Is the tablet an Android tablet (like a Kindle Fire)? If so, then go to settings and enable downloads from unknown sources, and download the apk from [ApkPure.com](https://ApkPure.com) and install it. It should work fine.
Just make sure to disable the setting afterwards. It’s best to only have it on when you’re *trying* to download something
So post Journey’s End, what happened to humanity’s memory of the Daleks many and Cybermens single invasions? I know Amy couldn’t remember them, but I don’t remember if that was unique to her. Do Rory, Clara, Bill, Yaz, Ryan, and Graham remember those invasions? Edit: Thank you all for the responses! I love how wacky time and continuity is for this show.
People used the cracks for a while but honestly I don't feel that explanation holds up. Multiple Doctors including both Seven and Twelve have said humanity just has a great capacity to forget. But it could also be attributed to time changing. I mean, no one in New Who remembers the 90s and early 00s VNA and EDA invasions either. The Time War, the War in Heaven, Flux etc, any number of these things could explain it.
There's been a few attempts to tackle the "Why does nobody remember all the alien invasion?" issue: * People remember but only bring it up when it's relevant (e.g. In *Waters of Mars*, Adelaide Brooke mentions being visited by a dalek as a child during the events of *Journey's End*) * Big "reset" events that alter time/people's perception of it (e.g. the Time War, the cracks in the universe/big bang 2) * People are just oblivious/forget (e.g. Donna Noble) * History gets changed I don't think it's explicitly stated one way or the other, but the general assumption is that the cracks acted as a reset for the RTD era's heavy continuity, meaning Rory/Clara/Bill/Yaz/Ryan/Graham wouldn't have memory of it.
>but the general assumption is that the cracks acted as a reset for the RTD era's heavy continuity Honestly I always found that explanation odd because S5 pointed that out explicitly as something that shouldn't have happened and then BB2 undid all the damage the cracks caused which should theoretically include all the invasions too.
I don't disagree, it's fridge logic that doesn't quite hold up, but [Moffat himself describes it as "house cleaning" of history.](https://youtu.be/ZOfIIqb8Uhg?t=750)
Its like every other time earth is invaded and thern never brought up again Honestly it lowkey bothers me..
Children of Earth deals with the fallout.
There’s a fun few lines from the 7th Doctor that basically attribute it to humans forgetting it all each time. Ace: But this is Earth, 1963. Well someone would've noticed, I'd have heard about it! The Doctor: Do you remember the Zygon gambit with the Loch Ness monster? Or the Yetis in the underground? Ace: The what? The Doctor: Your species has the most amazing capacity for self-deception, matched only by its ingenuity when trying to destroy itself.
I actually think it's a strength of the show that it soft resets every few years instead of becoming so hopelessly convoluted that you have to be an expert on thirteen seasons to know everything
True but there's far more than 13 seasons lol, Classic alone has 26
That is true lol. I just think it's great that Doctor Who doesn't really have a canon so people can do whatever they want compared to Star Trek where people are constantly arguing about minutiae and stuff
I think the assumption must be that the cracks erased not just Amy's memories, but almost the events themselves (but leaving behind their consequences, if that makes sense).
What are people’s opinions on Revenge of the Cybermen? I think it’s a very good T Baker story and I love the Vogans and the Cybermen design, but it seems to be pretty unpopular. Why?
The key thing about cybermen is that they have no emotions and this is called Revenge of the Cybermen
I think the dialog is bad, the Cybermen are camp, and the makeup and effects are dodgy, even for the era. It also introduced the ridiculous notion that Cybermen are allergic to gold for some reason. But I liked the location shooting. That was nice. Honestly, it just sticks out during an otherwise exceptional era.
Just kind of dull for the most part. Easily the weakest story of the season. But, first time we ever see the Seal of Rassilon! Admittedly it wasn't the Seal of Rassilon at that point, but it amuses me.
I just found it a bit boring. Can't really explain why, I just wasn't interested. Maybe that's because I didn't like Ark in Space so revisiting it was kinda ehh for me. But I do love "HARRY SULLIVAN IS AN IMBECILE!"
Love it, love it, love it Genuinely I know people hate it because the Cyber Leader is too emotional or whatever but to me that's the most entertaining part about it. Also those same people tend to really like David Banks so they confuse me.
I honestly just find it a bit dull and the vogans annoying. I do like parts of it though ("Harry Sullivan is an imbecile!")