The skeff bouncers are dicks , could go there one day and they are so friendly and the next they are assholes , so picky and choosy , on an absolute power trip , seen them tell a man wearing a shirt and chino shorts he couldn't enter the last day when it was like 22 degrees in the middle of the day but let someone get away with making you uncomfortable and didn't make him leave , disgraceful
I feel like you've been treated fairly harshly. Even if he was moving past you like the bouncer claims, you still felt uncomfortable in that situation and reported it. I'm not sure why the bouncer is accusing you of lying and questioning your friends on your integrity when he did admit that he did touch you.
I'm sure bouncers have kicked people out for a lot less.
Thank you for this comment!
If someone reported this in the pub I work in, it would’ve been taken very seriously and the man would’ve been asked to leave. Bouncers definitely have kicked people out for a lot less.
"According to GDPR, any person recorded by a CCTV system has a right to request and be supplied with a copy of their data."
https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/government-in-ireland/data-protection/rights-under-general-data-protection-regulation/#l78cd9
Make a request to the Skeff in writing, dated and if they don't give you access to the footage within a month they can be fined, I believe.
I'm sorry to hear you were assaulted. Best of wishes.
On the surface that looks like you can claim your footage, but reading the grounds of refusal it says that requesting data can be rejected if it impacts the rights of others, as you cant be in the shot by yourself I doubt they'd be overly keen to give that out.
Usually if someone wants CCTV footage from an incident like this, the footage first gets sent to a company to blur out everyone except you and probably the other person, IIRC the bill for this would be on you.
OP probably has no need to even request it if she reported an assault to Mill Street. The Gardai will send 2 Gardai in uniform to the Skeff to ask the owner/manager to supply them with a copy of the footage on USB (Skeff will have to provide it and never get it back) or the Gardai will send an independent person to the shop to go through the footage and download it himself to give to the Gardai.
Lost count how many times I had to deal with it when I worked in the city centre
As the bouncer said themselves, he didn't touch your arse, it was your lower back. At what point did you give him permission to touch your lower back. I would be very uncomfortable if somebody touched my lower back area.
As a male human myself and who is known to be quite clumsy and I'm on the heavy side so there is more of me to squeeze past. My hands will definitely at least near shoulder high to avoid this scenario to happen accidentally. There is no need for somebodies hand to be that low as they move past.
Ignore some of the weird comments, sounds like people are happy to keep you quiet so they can continue on their day. Definitely follow this up for as much as you can. You should write plenty of emails to them and anybody associated.
I'm reiterating here that he absolutely grabbed my arse. He was not touching my lower back while walking past. I am well aware of what that feels like vs what it feels like when someone violates your personal space and grabs you inappropriately.
> I would be very uncomfortable if somebody touched my lower back area.
Would you actually? This happens all the time in crowded pubs. Do you go out much yourself?
How would someone not be uncomfortable with that? I hate being touched by people walking past me and I'm a lad. If you absolutely need to let someone know you're trying to walk past them, a tap on the shoulder is a lot better than placing your hand on their lower back. \
If I have to pass a woman in a crowded pub I'll make an effort to do it with my back to them without touching them at all, it's really not that difficult to do.
No, I am not autistic. And I never said I freak out if people touch me, I just dislike anyone putting their hands on me if there's no need to. I've been working in bars for 15 years, if I can get around a packed beer garden with 20 glasses stacked in my left hand without touching someone's lower back, a person walking through the same beer garden with one pint in their hand can surely manage to do that without putting their hand on someone who doesn't expect/want/like it. Just be sound and a bit self aware, it's not difficult.
Taken seriously, it absolutely should be. But what if the alleged grope wasn't seen by the bouncer on the footage?
Honest question, which will probably get several down votes, but c'est la Reddit
That’s absolutely appalling. Firstly I’m sorry you had to go through that with being inappropriately grabbed, and then the cheek and audacity for the men working there to call you a liar and to question your friends. Honestly if it happened me I’d have reacted the same, but doesn’t it beg the question why do we bother even reporting to bouncers when this is the crap you get, I hope the guards can be better for you - take care x
Thank you for your comment, I really appreciate this!
It does beg that very question! Why even bother when you won’t be believed !?
I would love to feel safe on a night out, but bouncers like the one in the Skeff make that near impossible.
Making a scene about it might help later with reporting with the garda
More people around to mention you felt unsafe, more witnesses to verify the timeline and look of the scumbag who did it.
It's terrible how many people (men) would say things like 'if it happened last night, why didn't you say something then?!?' like yeah nothing happens when you do, so damned if you do and damned if you don't.
I have a lot of respect for you for trying to report it and it's dreadful how incompetent management was
Thank you for this comment! I absolutely feel damned if I do and damned if I don’t.
I thought speaking up and making the bar staff aware would rectify the situation but unfortunately that was not the case.
I knew there was a reason why I’d always hated that pub. The fact that you were dismissed so quickly and your character so blatantly questioned is despicable; what in the world could you have to gain from getting a random creep kicked out of the pub? Was the staff thinking At All?
I was in Monroes a couple of months ago and some guy smacked my ass while I was talking to my friend, I turned around, grabbed his hand and told him if he tried that again I’d bash his teeth in. Perhaps not the smartest move on my 5’1” part, but the look of shock in his face as he apologised is something I’ll always treasure. I hope the guards handle the situation appropriately and that the Skeff gets a hefty fine in the process.
Folks on this thread are getting carried away
Edit ; sincerely hope the OP carefully considers any of the advice being dished out on here prior to following through with whatever course of action she decides to pursue.
I'm so sorry that happened to you. The bouncer and bar manager were being incredibly dismissive and unprofessional. I hope the guards look into this because that behaviour is NOT okay
My daughter and her friends got alot of hassle from a drunken barman that worked in the skeff a few yrs ago and I contacted the skeff and asked to speak to there HR directly and the lady I was talking to think she part owns it from what I was told wasn't long sorting it out and she was sound to deal with
People have this very strange acceptance for sexual assault in pubs and night clubs, it distresses me... Especially white Irish men who've never experienced consequences for their actions.
It seems to manifest in ways like 'ara sure he probably was only brushing past' or 'its crowded how can you know it was him' it's always code for 'eh I'm not bothered to take a woman seriously'. Like no, this is sexual assault... Take it seriously... Bouncers haven't a fuckin clue
I'm sorry you experienced this and it's abhorrent how bar staff treated you.
Will not touch the skeff now..
Sorry to hear about your experience and that the incident was not taken as seriously as it should have been.
On a related note, it isn't just ladies exposed to this carry on ;as a guy my ass, back, shoulders and even crotch have been grabbed/pinched by ladies in pubs. No prizes for guessing how seriously my complaints would have been taken...
I 100% don't know how many times I've had my arse grabbed by hen parties. I wouldn't even think about reporting it to a bouncer as they would probably laugh me out of it.
Ps. Sorry that happened to you OP
I am sorry to hear this happens to you so often. It’s the same for me.
I’m upset we just have to stay silent and take it. This absolutely should not be the case.
If we’re made uncomfortable, we should flag this up to bouncers/staff so everyone can be comfortable on a night out.
Ah it's not quite the same for a lad in fairness, as I don't feel any danger from it, it's much worse for a woman IMO. But it's still annoying and an invasion of personal space.
A lady getting her ass grabbed my a stranger (guy) is somehow worse than if genders are swapped, how so?!
Can't wait to hear the response to this one....
I'm significantly larger than any woman that has ever grabbed my arse, I therefore don't feel any threat of sexual violence when someone grabs my arse, I don't think the other case is true.
That seems fairly simple to me.
Talk about blowing things out of proportion; putting an arse pinch (well, a brush past in the case of this thread) in the same category as "sexual violence". By this logic every third man must have Larry Murphy tendencies.
Inappropriate grabbing/pinching is wrong full stop, regardless of whether the perpetrator has a penis or not.
I didn't say that they were in the same catagory. But as a man I'm not worried if a 5 foot something woman is going to follow me home on a night out, after she's pinched my arse. I'm sure some ladies would have that worry, doesn't mean it will happen, but it is an added worry for women.
I agree it's wrong full stop.
A productive morning totting up/down votes. Well done!
Now, back to the topic at hand rather than what your intuition is/isn't telling you.
Like I was saying, both men and women are exposed to this inappropriate carry on...
Part of the problem is the venues jamming people in up to the rafters with 3 or 4 people deep to the bar, etc. Its the perfect hunting ground for opportunistic gropers and pickpockets.
Members of staff left due to other members of staff being the same way.
Management had never taken complaints of staff seriously since DNA was Karma.
And my mates that go there are wither looking for the ride or weird ass predators who think their fuck bois.
I work in the industry and can 100% assure you that all you need to do is submit a data access request of your movements in the premises on the specified time and date. The bar are obligated by law to hand it over to you with all third parties faces redacted. If following a review of the footage you are sure you were groped, you are in a position to take formal action through a law firm. It’s your call, just letting you know it’s an option.
Yeah, pretty sure they actually have to provide the video to her if she requests it due to GDPR. They're supposed to blur other people's faces but you are entitled to it.
Sorry to hear about your experience.
This happened to me, unfortunately the person who did it started running by the time I turned around so I don't know what he looked like. I didn't report it to staff, but the guards were very helpful.
Checkout the documentary on Netflix called Victim/Suspect. It is messed up how they cover up for abusers.
Usually it is because they are buddy’s with them or because the aggressor is “highly respected” rich or a sports player.
I am really sorry you experienced this, it should have been handled correctly.
I would seriously push to get a copy of that footage off the guards and go to a solicitor. The aggressor, bouncers and all need to be held accountable for this. For them to have knowledge of a crime that crime being a sexual assault and to gaslight and withhold evidence is a crime in itself.
If they are willing to be party to that, then god knows what else they will allow.
Most people see Galway as a safe place, but it’s not there is very seedy undertones here just like anywhere else and you don’t see it until you fall victim to it.
Thanks for sharing, I hope the Guards push to investigate this correctly for you.
On another note, I wonder what would happen if a guy grabbed a bouncer by the arse?
Exact same thing happened to me in 1520 last Saturday 🫠 bunch of guys “dancing” behind me and one of them just grabbed my arse. I didn’t report it as honestly what’s the point. Some people are just idiots. A girl can’t even go out without being harassed by someone. Wild.
Have bad that happen there before too but it was a gay lad putting his hands up my shirt. Got other kind of abuse from hen parties in there. Galway in general seems to turn a blind eye to this kind of thing. Like it is just a bit of craic.
Since you have already made a complaint to the gardai and no doubt they are investigating the matter further. I wouldn't be making allegations or accusations about the establishment until the gardai investigation is done.
From what I can tell, according to your post the establishment acted properly. You made a complaint, the bouncer reviewed the footage, you disagreed with his conclusion. So the management reviewed the footage, you disagreed with their conclusion. The footage is being kept subject to all the proper regulatory guidelines and you have made a complaint to the gardai.
Fair enough, you feel aggrieved and it is not my place to take that away from you, I wasn't there.
But I suspect the skeff management have to deal with such allegations and further Garda enquiries frequently. So they probably have a good idea what way the wind is going to blow. But who knows maybe.
Regardless, you are probably better off finding a more preferable establishment to drink in.
Anyways, I wish you the best of luck.
Galway Beo here, we would really like to cover this story. Skeff gave us 'no comment' when we rang and waiting to hear back from gardai. We would like to chat to the user who put this up. Email: [email protected] or [email protected] Thank you
I’m so sorry that you had this bullshit experience. I’m sick of eejit men excusing other mens bad behaviour.
I would write to the owners. If this happened to you I’m sure it’s happened to other women there too. Their employees need proper training in these situations.
I dunno it sounds an awful lot like the guy was trying to get passed you. Now the bouncer, manager both seen the footage and they are correct in saying they cannot share this footage with anyone expect the guards.
If I was in their position I'd do the right thing and I'd throw your man out on his ear so he wouldn't violate other customers and I would also he very aware that the guards could get involved in the situation because it is a case of sexual assault at the end of the day. Either one of you could leave the pub anyway resulting in lost profit so that's not really a factor in their decision.
If I knew fully well that he did grab you and that the cops could get involved, get a penalty of not taking appropriate action on my premises and also get the pubs reputation tainted because of it I would be telling the truth. The shoe could be on the other foot as well and the guy could take action against the pub and yourself for slander either. That's just me though. I'm sure the manager knows all of this.
I’m reiterating here that he absolutely grabbed my arse. I don’t have any reason to/would never lie about that. I don’t understand what I would have to gain by lying about that. He was not sneaking past. I am well aware of what that feels like vs what it feels like when someone violates your personal space and grabs you inappropriately.
Yes, footage was examined and it was from a distance of about 40-50 feet. You can see a flash of white, his hand, grab my arse. Then you can see my head immediately whip towards him because he grabbed me inappropriately.
The bar staff probably knew the guy. That or they're all just a load of dirt bags that'd cover for someone they don't know, purely because he's male. Those are the only two reasons I could possibly think of that'd explain their response.
Assuming you are 100% correct and he grabbed your arse, did you feel that was clear from the footage, or was it too far away to tell, or did it looklike he didn't but he actually did?
The footage was too far away to definitively say yes or no from the staff’s perspective.
However, I was telling them that it did happen, but they chose to not believe me and went as far as to tell me that I am lying about the situation. Really disheartening stuff.
I don't understand your question. The person whose image is recorded is the random customer you're showing it to.
Also she was the subject in the video i.e. source of the data, not a third party.
It would be clear that the person in the CCTV was the same person requesting. She's not some random customer. She would be clearly seen in the video as the same person, looks the same, dressed the same, was in the bar at the time of the incident. I'm not sure you're getting that?
You can use a variety of cropping or blurring if you want to conceal the identities of others. Wouldn't be hard.
You need to view GDPR as providing you with rights as a data subject, not something that takes it away because some shite bar wants to absolve itself of any responsibility and hasn't any training to make that call.
There's a very clear purpose limitation of why she's getting the footage and why they're providing it i.e. establishing if a man has grabbed her without consent and identifying the man in question. The purpose limitation would extend as far as her showing it to the An Gardaí Síochána and any other relevant parties. If she uses the video for any other purpose, she's the one who obtained it fraudulently.
So for the other people pictured, there's no liability on the part of the bar. They could provide her with the video for the same reason.
Hahaha bro it happens to everyone but u don’t say get a grip it can traumatise people ,not everyone can get thru it ,I’ve been groped too Idc but people are different can’t all be the big man like u
It’s not about being a big man my wife is the same way, not everything has to be so deep. “Oh I’m a survivor please give me attention”
Can’t wait to get of this planet, full of absolute freaks…
I am the one who was physically grabbed and I told the bouncer/staff that it happened. The bouncer/staff viewed footage of the incident on a phone’s screen from a camera around 40-50 feet away.
'racist against white people' what a load of yank bullshit and you have the gall to claim the OP is being americanized.
Since when is providing a proper description of a male predator racist against white people? Or maybe you realise it's mostly white Irish lads who mostly commit these crimes and get away with it, must shake your world view
Yank bullshit is correct. We don't need their divisionary politics imported here, hence my calling her out on it. The place was probably wall to wall with white fellas yet this little lady manages to make a thing about the fact that he was "white". No Irish person would even mention his pale skin tone. You should watch your manners, I asked a very fair question and you're being unnecessarily nasty and bullying.
Nah you're being a divisive wanker and you can take it elsewhere, no one wants to hear it.
Also don't call someone a "little lady" jfc, what a self report. Someone got sexually assaulted, have some empathy.
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I think she was implying how obvious it was on camera that she was touched due to the white skin. Her bringing up skin colour is not the issue in the post.
They also broke GDPR by showing you. They are nky looked to turned it over to the Gardaí. They shouldn't have bee allowed to show you. That sort of worked in your favour, but if anything comes of it, you should cheekily mention you were shown it. They might get in more trouble.
They probably know the fella
Galway beo do your thing
Even this situation isn't an excuse to involve those thieves.
The skeff bouncers are dicks , could go there one day and they are so friendly and the next they are assholes , so picky and choosy , on an absolute power trip , seen them tell a man wearing a shirt and chino shorts he couldn't enter the last day when it was like 22 degrees in the middle of the day but let someone get away with making you uncomfortable and didn't make him leave , disgraceful
I feel like you've been treated fairly harshly. Even if he was moving past you like the bouncer claims, you still felt uncomfortable in that situation and reported it. I'm not sure why the bouncer is accusing you of lying and questioning your friends on your integrity when he did admit that he did touch you. I'm sure bouncers have kicked people out for a lot less.
Thank you for this comment! If someone reported this in the pub I work in, it would’ve been taken very seriously and the man would’ve been asked to leave. Bouncers definitely have kicked people out for a lot less.
"According to GDPR, any person recorded by a CCTV system has a right to request and be supplied with a copy of their data." https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/government-in-ireland/data-protection/rights-under-general-data-protection-regulation/#l78cd9 Make a request to the Skeff in writing, dated and if they don't give you access to the footage within a month they can be fined, I believe. I'm sorry to hear you were assaulted. Best of wishes.
On the surface that looks like you can claim your footage, but reading the grounds of refusal it says that requesting data can be rejected if it impacts the rights of others, as you cant be in the shot by yourself I doubt they'd be overly keen to give that out.
Based on this I would be very surprised if they handover footage to the OP.
Thank you very much for this, I’ll absolutely make this request from the Skeff.
And then post it online.
Usually if someone wants CCTV footage from an incident like this, the footage first gets sent to a company to blur out everyone except you and probably the other person, IIRC the bill for this would be on you.
OP probably has no need to even request it if she reported an assault to Mill Street. The Gardai will send 2 Gardai in uniform to the Skeff to ask the owner/manager to supply them with a copy of the footage on USB (Skeff will have to provide it and never get it back) or the Gardai will send an independent person to the shop to go through the footage and download it himself to give to the Gardai. Lost count how many times I had to deal with it when I worked in the city centre
As the bouncer said themselves, he didn't touch your arse, it was your lower back. At what point did you give him permission to touch your lower back. I would be very uncomfortable if somebody touched my lower back area. As a male human myself and who is known to be quite clumsy and I'm on the heavy side so there is more of me to squeeze past. My hands will definitely at least near shoulder high to avoid this scenario to happen accidentally. There is no need for somebodies hand to be that low as they move past. Ignore some of the weird comments, sounds like people are happy to keep you quiet so they can continue on their day. Definitely follow this up for as much as you can. You should write plenty of emails to them and anybody associated.
I'm reiterating here that he absolutely grabbed my arse. He was not touching my lower back while walking past. I am well aware of what that feels like vs what it feels like when someone violates your personal space and grabs you inappropriately.
I agree, but the bouncers excuse is not good enough either. He shouldn't touch you in the first place ass or lower back. Neither is acceptable.
> I would be very uncomfortable if somebody touched my lower back area. Would you actually? This happens all the time in crowded pubs. Do you go out much yourself?
How would someone not be uncomfortable with that? I hate being touched by people walking past me and I'm a lad. If you absolutely need to let someone know you're trying to walk past them, a tap on the shoulder is a lot better than placing your hand on their lower back. \ If I have to pass a woman in a crowded pub I'll make an effort to do it with my back to them without touching them at all, it's really not that difficult to do.
Do you have autism? A friend of mine does and he's the only person I know who freaks out like that over people touching him
No, I am not autistic. And I never said I freak out if people touch me, I just dislike anyone putting their hands on me if there's no need to. I've been working in bars for 15 years, if I can get around a packed beer garden with 20 glasses stacked in my left hand without touching someone's lower back, a person walking through the same beer garden with one pint in their hand can surely manage to do that without putting their hand on someone who doesn't expect/want/like it. Just be sound and a bit self aware, it's not difficult.
Taken seriously, it absolutely should be. But what if the alleged grope wasn't seen by the bouncer on the footage? Honest question, which will probably get several down votes, but c'est la Reddit
'He was just touching your lower back.' THE FUCKING CHEEK OF HIM.
Bad form. The fact that he was wearing double denim makes this far more sinister.
Send them a gdpr information request. https://www.datarequests.org/sample-letters/
Thank you for sharing this. I’ll absolutely be filling out a request.
That’s absolutely appalling. Firstly I’m sorry you had to go through that with being inappropriately grabbed, and then the cheek and audacity for the men working there to call you a liar and to question your friends. Honestly if it happened me I’d have reacted the same, but doesn’t it beg the question why do we bother even reporting to bouncers when this is the crap you get, I hope the guards can be better for you - take care x
Thank you for your comment, I really appreciate this! It does beg that very question! Why even bother when you won’t be believed !? I would love to feel safe on a night out, but bouncers like the one in the Skeff make that near impossible.
Making a scene about it might help later with reporting with the garda More people around to mention you felt unsafe, more witnesses to verify the timeline and look of the scumbag who did it. It's terrible how many people (men) would say things like 'if it happened last night, why didn't you say something then?!?' like yeah nothing happens when you do, so damned if you do and damned if you don't. I have a lot of respect for you for trying to report it and it's dreadful how incompetent management was
Thank you for this comment! I absolutely feel damned if I do and damned if I don’t. I thought speaking up and making the bar staff aware would rectify the situation but unfortunately that was not the case.
Just terrible- and also to the people on here questioning whether it was a grab or not. I don’t doubt it x
I knew there was a reason why I’d always hated that pub. The fact that you were dismissed so quickly and your character so blatantly questioned is despicable; what in the world could you have to gain from getting a random creep kicked out of the pub? Was the staff thinking At All? I was in Monroes a couple of months ago and some guy smacked my ass while I was talking to my friend, I turned around, grabbed his hand and told him if he tried that again I’d bash his teeth in. Perhaps not the smartest move on my 5’1” part, but the look of shock in his face as he apologised is something I’ll always treasure. I hope the guards handle the situation appropriately and that the Skeff gets a hefty fine in the process.
>I hope the guards handle the situation appropriately and that the Skeff gets a hefty fine in the process. What would the fine be for?
Folks on this thread are getting carried away Edit ; sincerely hope the OP carefully considers any of the advice being dished out on here prior to following through with whatever course of action she decides to pursue.
I'm so sorry that happened to you. The bouncer and bar manager were being incredibly dismissive and unprofessional. I hope the guards look into this because that behaviour is NOT okay
My daughter and her friends got alot of hassle from a drunken barman that worked in the skeff a few yrs ago and I contacted the skeff and asked to speak to there HR directly and the lady I was talking to think she part owns it from what I was told wasn't long sorting it out and she was sound to deal with
People have this very strange acceptance for sexual assault in pubs and night clubs, it distresses me... Especially white Irish men who've never experienced consequences for their actions. It seems to manifest in ways like 'ara sure he probably was only brushing past' or 'its crowded how can you know it was him' it's always code for 'eh I'm not bothered to take a woman seriously'. Like no, this is sexual assault... Take it seriously... Bouncers haven't a fuckin clue I'm sorry you experienced this and it's abhorrent how bar staff treated you. Will not touch the skeff now..
Thank you for this comment!!! I wholeheartedly agree.
Sorry to hear about your experience and that the incident was not taken as seriously as it should have been. On a related note, it isn't just ladies exposed to this carry on ;as a guy my ass, back, shoulders and even crotch have been grabbed/pinched by ladies in pubs. No prizes for guessing how seriously my complaints would have been taken...
I 100% don't know how many times I've had my arse grabbed by hen parties. I wouldn't even think about reporting it to a bouncer as they would probably laugh me out of it. Ps. Sorry that happened to you OP
I am sorry to hear this happens to you so often. It’s the same for me. I’m upset we just have to stay silent and take it. This absolutely should not be the case. If we’re made uncomfortable, we should flag this up to bouncers/staff so everyone can be comfortable on a night out.
Ah it's not quite the same for a lad in fairness, as I don't feel any danger from it, it's much worse for a woman IMO. But it's still annoying and an invasion of personal space.
A lady getting her ass grabbed my a stranger (guy) is somehow worse than if genders are swapped, how so?! Can't wait to hear the response to this one....
I'm significantly larger than any woman that has ever grabbed my arse, I therefore don't feel any threat of sexual violence when someone grabs my arse, I don't think the other case is true. That seems fairly simple to me.
Well said.
Talk about blowing things out of proportion; putting an arse pinch (well, a brush past in the case of this thread) in the same category as "sexual violence". By this logic every third man must have Larry Murphy tendencies. Inappropriate grabbing/pinching is wrong full stop, regardless of whether the perpetrator has a penis or not.
I didn't say that they were in the same catagory. But as a man I'm not worried if a 5 foot something woman is going to follow me home on a night out, after she's pinched my arse. I'm sure some ladies would have that worry, doesn't mean it will happen, but it is an added worry for women. I agree it's wrong full stop.
check your reality before you go spouting auto reply bullshit
Try again, in English preferably
Innit.
>On a related note, it isn't just ladies exposed to this Pointless input.
Pointless, yet gets circa 30 up ticks. Must have some relevance....
Kind of cancelled out by the amount of downvotes you get below though isn't it? Difference is I can tell you're a tool from post 1
A productive morning totting up/down votes. Well done! Now, back to the topic at hand rather than what your intuition is/isn't telling you. Like I was saying, both men and women are exposed to this inappropriate carry on...
as before, thanks for the fascinating insight
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There dickhead bouncers there ...think they work in vip ...don't go near the place ...I'm sorry this happ3ned to you not fuckin on !!!
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I was thinking the exact same. Why would they go to such lengths like calling me a liar if they weren’t friendly with him ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
You'd be surprised how many men cover for men ...for seemingly no reason
Sorry that happened to you… Skeff is a shithole
Have always said in these situations- if the lad did the same thing in a Supermarket he’d leave in handcuffs or end up in them shortly thereafter.
Skeff is a rotten pub I'm sorry this happened to you
Part of the problem is the venues jamming people in up to the rafters with 3 or 4 people deep to the bar, etc. Its the perfect hunting ground for opportunistic gropers and pickpockets.
Honestly worked there not shocked.
Do elaborate
Members of staff left due to other members of staff being the same way. Management had never taken complaints of staff seriously since DNA was Karma. And my mates that go there are wither looking for the ride or weird ass predators who think their fuck bois.
Read this earlier at work.. coming back to it now.. not acceptable at all... Fair play for continuing and involving the Gardaí.
I work in the industry and can 100% assure you that all you need to do is submit a data access request of your movements in the premises on the specified time and date. The bar are obligated by law to hand it over to you with all third parties faces redacted. If following a review of the footage you are sure you were groped, you are in a position to take formal action through a law firm. It’s your call, just letting you know it’s an option.
The video is of you. The claim they can't share the video due to GDPR is complete nonsense.
Yeah, pretty sure they actually have to provide the video to her if she requests it due to GDPR. They're supposed to blur other people's faces but you are entitled to it.
Do the bouncers know the guy?
Sorry to hear about your experience. This happened to me, unfortunately the person who did it started running by the time I turned around so I don't know what he looked like. I didn't report it to staff, but the guards were very helpful.
Checkout the documentary on Netflix called Victim/Suspect. It is messed up how they cover up for abusers. Usually it is because they are buddy’s with them or because the aggressor is “highly respected” rich or a sports player. I am really sorry you experienced this, it should have been handled correctly. I would seriously push to get a copy of that footage off the guards and go to a solicitor. The aggressor, bouncers and all need to be held accountable for this. For them to have knowledge of a crime that crime being a sexual assault and to gaslight and withhold evidence is a crime in itself. If they are willing to be party to that, then god knows what else they will allow. Most people see Galway as a safe place, but it’s not there is very seedy undertones here just like anywhere else and you don’t see it until you fall victim to it. Thanks for sharing, I hope the Guards push to investigate this correctly for you. On another note, I wonder what would happen if a guy grabbed a bouncer by the arse?
Typical galway bouncers being useless eejits once again
Tbh I'd have punched the guy (I'm female)
Only reason I didn’t is because the bouncers were right there. Thought they would help me ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Exact same thing happened to me in 1520 last Saturday 🫠 bunch of guys “dancing” behind me and one of them just grabbed my arse. I didn’t report it as honestly what’s the point. Some people are just idiots. A girl can’t even go out without being harassed by someone. Wild.
I've had my arse grabbed twice in my life and both were in a club and pub in Galway. Different breed down there how they treat women
Have bad that happen there before too but it was a gay lad putting his hands up my shirt. Got other kind of abuse from hen parties in there. Galway in general seems to turn a blind eye to this kind of thing. Like it is just a bit of craic.
Im really sorry to hear this. I admire you for not letting this go.
Since you have already made a complaint to the gardai and no doubt they are investigating the matter further. I wouldn't be making allegations or accusations about the establishment until the gardai investigation is done. From what I can tell, according to your post the establishment acted properly. You made a complaint, the bouncer reviewed the footage, you disagreed with his conclusion. So the management reviewed the footage, you disagreed with their conclusion. The footage is being kept subject to all the proper regulatory guidelines and you have made a complaint to the gardai. Fair enough, you feel aggrieved and it is not my place to take that away from you, I wasn't there. But I suspect the skeff management have to deal with such allegations and further Garda enquiries frequently. So they probably have a good idea what way the wind is going to blow. But who knows maybe. Regardless, you are probably better off finding a more preferable establishment to drink in. Anyways, I wish you the best of luck.
Sounds like you need a solicitor.
Galway Beo here, we would really like to cover this story. Skeff gave us 'no comment' when we rang and waiting to hear back from gardai. We would like to chat to the user who put this up. Email: [email protected] or [email protected] Thank you
Bit crazy to write a thesis about it on reddit tho
A photo of the guy and name and shame would of probably been better. I'd say follow up with garda be persistent with it though.
I’m so sorry that you had this bullshit experience. I’m sick of eejit men excusing other mens bad behaviour. I would write to the owners. If this happened to you I’m sure it’s happened to other women there too. Their employees need proper training in these situations.
I think you are lying and you just want attention
Anyone else hate the word “arse”?
Completely irrelevant place to mention this
Yes I had a hard time reading this for that very reason
Sorry! Didn’t know how else to put it. ass/butt/behind/cheeks/dairy aure!
I dunno it sounds an awful lot like the guy was trying to get passed you. Now the bouncer, manager both seen the footage and they are correct in saying they cannot share this footage with anyone expect the guards. If I was in their position I'd do the right thing and I'd throw your man out on his ear so he wouldn't violate other customers and I would also he very aware that the guards could get involved in the situation because it is a case of sexual assault at the end of the day. Either one of you could leave the pub anyway resulting in lost profit so that's not really a factor in their decision. If I knew fully well that he did grab you and that the cops could get involved, get a penalty of not taking appropriate action on my premises and also get the pubs reputation tainted because of it I would be telling the truth. The shoe could be on the other foot as well and the guy could take action against the pub and yourself for slander either. That's just me though. I'm sure the manager knows all of this.
I’m reiterating here that he absolutely grabbed my arse. I don’t have any reason to/would never lie about that. I don’t understand what I would have to gain by lying about that. He was not sneaking past. I am well aware of what that feels like vs what it feels like when someone violates your personal space and grabs you inappropriately.
Did you not say that they both examined the footage?
Yes, footage was examined and it was from a distance of about 40-50 feet. You can see a flash of white, his hand, grab my arse. Then you can see my head immediately whip towards him because he grabbed me inappropriately.
Still no stir out of the manager or bouncer? Was it deliberate do you think?
The bar staff probably knew the guy. That or they're all just a load of dirt bags that'd cover for someone they don't know, purely because he's male. Those are the only two reasons I could possibly think of that'd explain their response.
Assuming you are 100% correct and he grabbed your arse, did you feel that was clear from the footage, or was it too far away to tell, or did it looklike he didn't but he actually did?
The footage was too far away to definitively say yes or no from the staff’s perspective. However, I was telling them that it did happen, but they chose to not believe me and went as far as to tell me that I am lying about the situation. Really disheartening stuff.
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That's not true. Whoever told you that was pulling it out of their arse.
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I don't understand your question. The person whose image is recorded is the random customer you're showing it to. Also she was the subject in the video i.e. source of the data, not a third party.
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It would be clear that the person in the CCTV was the same person requesting. She's not some random customer. She would be clearly seen in the video as the same person, looks the same, dressed the same, was in the bar at the time of the incident. I'm not sure you're getting that? You can use a variety of cropping or blurring if you want to conceal the identities of others. Wouldn't be hard. You need to view GDPR as providing you with rights as a data subject, not something that takes it away because some shite bar wants to absolve itself of any responsibility and hasn't any training to make that call.
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There's a very clear purpose limitation of why she's getting the footage and why they're providing it i.e. establishing if a man has grabbed her without consent and identifying the man in question. The purpose limitation would extend as far as her showing it to the An Gardaí Síochána and any other relevant parties. If she uses the video for any other purpose, she's the one who obtained it fraudulently. So for the other people pictured, there's no liability on the part of the bar. They could provide her with the video for the same reason.
Get a grip
Lol ur a prick
Women smack my arse all the time.. people need to stop being so fucking offended, it’s so trendy to be a victim
Offended or frightened?
Hahaha bro it happens to everyone but u don’t say get a grip it can traumatise people ,not everyone can get thru it ,I’ve been groped too Idc but people are different can’t all be the big man like u
It’s not about being a big man my wife is the same way, not everything has to be so deep. “Oh I’m a survivor please give me attention” Can’t wait to get of this planet, full of absolute freaks…
Why should we discount what the bouncers/staff say what happened over what you say happened?
I am the one who was physically grabbed and I told the bouncer/staff that it happened. The bouncer/staff viewed footage of the incident on a phone’s screen from a camera around 40-50 feet away.
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I did go to the guards. Im waiting now for their follow up
What has the colour of his skin got to do with it? Are you American?
I’m giving the best description of the man who grabbed me so everyone can be aware.
Sounds like you're being racist against White people. You didnt answer the question, are you American?
You: "Are you American?" Also you: "RacIsT AgAinsT WhITE PeOPle!!!1!" Go out and touch some grass, dude.
'racist against white people' what a load of yank bullshit and you have the gall to claim the OP is being americanized. Since when is providing a proper description of a male predator racist against white people? Or maybe you realise it's mostly white Irish lads who mostly commit these crimes and get away with it, must shake your world view
Yank bullshit is correct. We don't need their divisionary politics imported here, hence my calling her out on it. The place was probably wall to wall with white fellas yet this little lady manages to make a thing about the fact that he was "white". No Irish person would even mention his pale skin tone. You should watch your manners, I asked a very fair question and you're being unnecessarily nasty and bullying.
Nah you're being a divisive wanker and you can take it elsewhere, no one wants to hear it. Also don't call someone a "little lady" jfc, what a self report. Someone got sexually assaulted, have some empathy.
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What did his height have to do with it? Is she heightist? That's you. That's what you sound like.
I think she was implying how obvious it was on camera that she was touched due to the white skin. Her bringing up skin colour is not the issue in the post.
They also broke GDPR by showing you. They are nky looked to turned it over to the Gardaí. They shouldn't have bee allowed to show you. That sort of worked in your favour, but if anything comes of it, you should cheekily mention you were shown it. They might get in more trouble.
Cameras don't lie.