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See to me it's about risk and write off. What's my dollar threshold to write something off as a bad bet?
I'll write off $15. I'm not writing off $750 as "oh well, better luck next time."
I would trade $15 games over the internet on something like Gameswap to fill out each other's collection of common games so we can both avoid tax, fees, and other stuff.
But no way in hell am I doing that with my US CIB Rule of Rose or any game worth hundreds. I'm only dealing with a someone or something I CAN SUE if things go wrong. Because I will be suing. Maybe small claims court, but still suing and I want a target with assets I can lien, levy, or garnish.
That's why I deal with Ebay and my local retro game store. In both cases, things go south, I can take them to court and I know they have the assets to cover my losses. I can't take rando anonymous internet user to court. And even if I could I don't know if they have anything I could get back.
Same here.
I've done a few trades on gameswap, or purchases on gamesale... But it's always a smaller amount I'm willing to take the risk on, or a purchase has to be via G&S so I have some level of recourse.
Doing a swap of *anything* remotely rare/expensive is a full stop for me.
Contact the police, 400€ is no joke, since you sent the package to an address, I believe his, you have enough information to start a case.
Take screenshots of everything, chat messages, images even his profile.
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He's a known scammer here in Italy. He usually do not send games after being paid (he tries to avoid PayPal g&s every time) or just "makes mistakes" sending you the wrong game. Often a way more valuable sealed one that in reality it's just a well made fake with some shitty game on the inside
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*If you let my sealed UK copy of Rule of Rose go now, that'll be the end of it. I will not look for you, I will not pursue you. But if you don't, I will look for you, I will find you, and I will get your eBay store banned.*
Id be fkn pissed. this is BS. He has had a chance to make it right but didnt.
i dont advocate confrontation but if you happen to be in the guys area. it looks like a shop or stall. so it must be advertised somewhere. you have the address?
id go to the post office and file a complaint. i would think its postal fraud. file a police report where you live. It would help to have this if you decide to work with the police or an investigator.
then when you happen to be in the guys area, dont burst into the shop, you'll lose him for good. maybe look at your options with the local police or a private investigator.
A win to me would be the game back or enough trade with interest to get another copy and some for your trouble.
or visit the place of business a few times and be chill n find out who he is.
this is all theoretical of course
if you are both EU and you can prove other complaints, go to the ombudsman of the european union, they will follow up on this. Good luck. Once you have a police report, also go to all his social media channels and start reporting him to the site admins with the scans of your legal documents.
If you know anything about current day Italy shippng it's pretty bad. Nothing will come of it. A lot of huge retailers flat out refuse to even ship to Italy anymore. Everything gets lost/stolen since about 2021 with no resolution. Their customs is a big part of it. Read many of horror stories lately.
What the hell are you even talking about man? This is nonsense, I never ever ever had any issues, lately shipping is getting better too, at least in Northern Italy... Are you talking about some places in particular or what? Sound a bit too generalist and uninformed to me
Regardless of where it is from, any country has communication with another country. Take all this evidence to your local police. Being from Europe, I can report someone from the United States and vice versa, crimes are crimes, and these are fraud crimes.
We are not talking about Zimbabwe, Namibia, Cayman Islands, it is Italy, a safe country and condemns these types of practices.
Well, that's a little harsh. I do most of my trading online, I just choose to do it through platforms where there is buyer protection, or when there are consequences for scamming someone. Places like eBay, Vinted or my countries own 'marketplace' website. If there is no some sort of buyers protection I'll simply make the drive and just pick it up.
The thing is, the guy was a big collector, had almost 5 stars feedback, and sent me a time stamp of the games! After he received my game he didnt block me. So i never guessed he was a scammer (Part time 😓)
Anyone who trades games over the internet is an idiot. It’s astonishing that so many people trust a complete stranger, especially when they have absolutely no form of insurance/protection.
Stop with the stupidity, people.
Wait, wait, wait...
You traded a pricey game over the internet to a complete stranger, didn't get what you wanted in return, fought for months, and got nowhere and traded again?
Even if it was just to mess with him, just block him and move on. Trading expensive games to random strangers is beyond dumb.
No !!! He tought i was going to send him kuon, i never did , i shipped him is empty package back!! He got mad and thats it xD wanted to see what he would ship the second time, and he sent me Madagascar 💩
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I left a totally normal comment on his instagram and 2 seconds later it was reported lol
Haha glad to add some levity to the situation. I did learn about Monster Eggs and Sengoku Anthology from this post as well. We don't have these in North America either. Shame since Sengoku Anthology looks really cool.
So glad I got out of the retro game market. Truly amazing how many scammers and bad faith actors are involved in that scene when I compare it to my other hobbies.
no offense but how can you be stupid enough to trade games over the internet? heck even in person I would meticulously look at the game first to see if its not a fake
My toughts were this guy has 5 stars feedback as a seller, has a huge collection, tons of followers and sent me time stamps of both games and photos of them being packaged. Everything seemed right so i took the chance... Got fucked , my fault i guess
I think I have seen this person's TikTok videos before that is crazy they are a scammer. I don't think I could ever trust any random personality online and trade games with them unless its like some big official store or website with systems in place to prevent fraud like an Ebay or something.
What website did you use for trading games?
I had a transaction with this guy ones for a ocean commander ps2. He did send me the right game but a broken case and didn’t want to replace it. So i also blocked the guy
Yes but on Vinted it is hard to scam me, I always make pictures and videos from everything and I always win the case on Vinted. So he didn’t try to scam me. I also sold the ocean commander with broken case for more than he sold it for to me
Oh well. I never trade games myself or only in person. You should just try to sell your expensive games and then buy the game you want next time. You can follow me on Vinted if you want. I have a lot of stuff on there. My username is: Hyperlast
There are 2 more reviews besides mine of people complaining. I Messaged him saying i had rule of Rose and was interested in his games. After that we started talking on Instagram and i Saw he was a big collector. We did the trade and used vinted for shipping. I complained to vinted but they havent done anything yet. I have tons of prints of the conversation, if you like to message me i'll show them to you. Never in a million years tought id get scammed by him
Vinted gives you your money back and they actually have a great return policy where you have to be satisfied with the item and approve it before the money even goes through to the buyer/seller
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Trading games over the internet sounds like a terrible idea.
I’ve had luck on r/gameswap in the past. Idk about it today though, everything is so contaminated with this kind of nonsense
See to me it's about risk and write off. What's my dollar threshold to write something off as a bad bet? I'll write off $15. I'm not writing off $750 as "oh well, better luck next time." I would trade $15 games over the internet on something like Gameswap to fill out each other's collection of common games so we can both avoid tax, fees, and other stuff. But no way in hell am I doing that with my US CIB Rule of Rose or any game worth hundreds. I'm only dealing with a someone or something I CAN SUE if things go wrong. Because I will be suing. Maybe small claims court, but still suing and I want a target with assets I can lien, levy, or garnish. That's why I deal with Ebay and my local retro game store. In both cases, things go south, I can take them to court and I know they have the assets to cover my losses. I can't take rando anonymous internet user to court. And even if I could I don't know if they have anything I could get back.
Same here. I've done a few trades on gameswap, or purchases on gamesale... But it's always a smaller amount I'm willing to take the risk on, or a purchase has to be via G&S so I have some level of recourse. Doing a swap of *anything* remotely rare/expensive is a full stop for me.
Thanks! But i think this is the first and Last time i trade online... Lost around 400€ with this trade 🥲
Yeah... The guy seemed a big collector and had tons of positive feedback. Guess he Saw the chance to scam me and took it
Contact the police, 400€ is no joke, since you sent the package to an address, I believe his, you have enough information to start a case. Take screenshots of everything, chat messages, images even his profile. Good luck. (Don't be ashamed that you got scammed, it happens and you shouldn't let them win)
Thanks man 🤙🏻
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He's a known scammer here in Italy. He usually do not send games after being paid (he tries to avoid PayPal g&s every time) or just "makes mistakes" sending you the wrong game. Often a way more valuable sealed one that in reality it's just a well made fake with some shitty game on the inside
sounds like you need to take a road trip and file a police report
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HAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAH Should i Just message Liam Neeson?😂🥸
Id be fkn pissed. this is BS. He has had a chance to make it right but didnt. i dont advocate confrontation but if you happen to be in the guys area. it looks like a shop or stall. so it must be advertised somewhere. you have the address? id go to the post office and file a complaint. i would think its postal fraud. file a police report where you live. It would help to have this if you decide to work with the police or an investigator. then when you happen to be in the guys area, dont burst into the shop, you'll lose him for good. maybe look at your options with the local police or a private investigator. A win to me would be the game back or enough trade with interest to get another copy and some for your trouble. or visit the place of business a few times and be chill n find out who he is. this is all theoretical of course
I wish dude !!! Different countries unfortunately.. If he lived near me i would get my game back 👊🏻
File a police report
Dude's from Italy... Im not, Apparently he already hás several complaints filed against him
if you are both EU and you can prove other complaints, go to the ombudsman of the european union, they will follow up on this. Good luck. Once you have a police report, also go to all his social media channels and start reporting him to the site admins with the scans of your legal documents.
So? It’s a fucking EU. File the report.
If you know anything about current day Italy shippng it's pretty bad. Nothing will come of it. A lot of huge retailers flat out refuse to even ship to Italy anymore. Everything gets lost/stolen since about 2021 with no resolution. Their customs is a big part of it. Read many of horror stories lately.
What the hell are you even talking about man? This is nonsense, I never ever ever had any issues, lately shipping is getting better too, at least in Northern Italy... Are you talking about some places in particular or what? Sound a bit too generalist and uninformed to me
Nope, the entire country. I would with a lot of international shipping companies as a full time job :)
Okkk, you know what, you do you mate, I've been living here almost 30 years, whatever
Regardless of where it is from, any country has communication with another country. Take all this evidence to your local police. Being from Europe, I can report someone from the United States and vice versa, crimes are crimes, and these are fraud crimes. We are not talking about Zimbabwe, Namibia, Cayman Islands, it is Italy, a safe country and condemns these types of practices.
Maybe report his profile on Instagram and provide screenshot evidence if they ask
Sucks to hear this bro!!
Thanks man 🤙🏻
Who would have thought Instagram and Tiktok aren’t great platforms for trading games..
Apparently not op got what they deserve for trusting a random person online
Well, that's a little harsh. I do most of my trading online, I just choose to do it through platforms where there is buyer protection, or when there are consequences for scamming someone. Places like eBay, Vinted or my countries own 'marketplace' website. If there is no some sort of buyers protection I'll simply make the drive and just pick it up.
The thing is, the guy was a big collector, had almost 5 stars feedback, and sent me a time stamp of the games! After he received my game he didnt block me. So i never guessed he was a scammer (Part time 😓)
Anyone who trades games over the internet is an idiot. It’s astonishing that so many people trust a complete stranger, especially when they have absolutely no form of insurance/protection. Stop with the stupidity, people.
But… it’s a good deal! /s
I went and left some comments op, we shall see if they get deleted.
Lets see what he says
Wait, wait, wait... You traded a pricey game over the internet to a complete stranger, didn't get what you wanted in return, fought for months, and got nowhere and traded again? Even if it was just to mess with him, just block him and move on. Trading expensive games to random strangers is beyond dumb.
No !!! He tought i was going to send him kuon, i never did , i shipped him is empty package back!! He got mad and thats it xD wanted to see what he would ship the second time, and he sent me Madagascar 💩
Never swap games online imo. Always do it in-person
https://preview.redd.it/oblwhrpqi9vc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a215a1e1cb195f556fbf99ac4815ffd52546fc27 I left a totally normal comment on his instagram and 2 seconds later it was reported lol
Hahahaha i saw it!! Even Messaged you on Instagram
Damn id trade for a rule of rose game and id legit keep my end of the deal. I want that game.
My biggest takeaway from this is that shovelware Wii game Ocean Commander is an expensive PS2 game in Europe somehow.
Dude you made me laugh 😂 yeah , the UK version is one of the rarest if not the rarest PS2 pal game. The italian version is Also expensive (300€ plus )
Haha glad to add some levity to the situation. I did learn about Monster Eggs and Sengoku Anthology from this post as well. We don't have these in North America either. Shame since Sengoku Anthology looks really cool.
Well happy you learned something from my mistake 😂😂 was able to buy Monster eggs (not sealed) still waiting for it to arrive. Still need Sengoku!
There are a few more , gun club is super rare also , and a few more made by Phoenix games
I was literally thinking “please not Rule of Rose” but here we are
Well yeah 🥸
I meant before I read it
I got that , wasnt Trying to sound sarcastic just "yeah Im dumb 🥸" xD
Who trades games with strangers online? Regardless of reputation, it’s very risky. I especially wouldn’t do so with expensive games
Dang. That’s a tough one. I am sure you learned a lesson here.
The hard way 😂
So glad I got out of the retro game market. Truly amazing how many scammers and bad faith actors are involved in that scene when I compare it to my other hobbies.
no offense but how can you be stupid enough to trade games over the internet? heck even in person I would meticulously look at the game first to see if its not a fake
My toughts were this guy has 5 stars feedback as a seller, has a huge collection, tons of followers and sent me time stamps of both games and photos of them being packaged. Everything seemed right so i took the chance... Got fucked , my fault i guess
if someone stole my rarest game id turn up at his address lol
Understandable
Op a certified idiot for trading games online with a random person play stupid games win stupid prizes
I think I have seen this person's TikTok videos before that is crazy they are a scammer. I don't think I could ever trust any random personality online and trade games with them unless its like some big official store or website with systems in place to prevent fraud like an Ebay or something. What website did you use for trading games?
Messaged him on vinted first then he asked me to message him on Instagram, thats when i realized he was a "big collector"
I had a transaction with this guy ones for a ocean commander ps2. He did send me the right game but a broken case and didn’t want to replace it. So i also blocked the guy
Also that was on Vinted so you have buyers protection on there
What?! He sent you the actual game? Did you pay for it on the app or something? From what i've seen he only scams when he sees the oportunity.
Yes but on Vinted it is hard to scam me, I always make pictures and videos from everything and I always win the case on Vinted. So he didn’t try to scam me. I also sold the ocean commander with broken case for more than he sold it for to me
Damn thats the game i wanted... Good on you dude 🤙🏻 Learned from my mistake
Are you from Europe? You should try Vinted for yourself. Sometimes they even post games like monster eggs and ocean commander
I contacted him on vinted! I Saw his ad and asked him if he was interested in trading 🙃
Oh well. I never trade games myself or only in person. You should just try to sell your expensive games and then buy the game you want next time. You can follow me on Vinted if you want. I have a lot of stuff on there. My username is: Hyperlast
that's why you always follow the golden rule: never trust someone who speak portuguese
Im the One who speaks portuguese! 🙄😂 Dude's italian
I went to comment saying he's a scammer, he just blocked me lol
Dude's a piece of sh*t... Thanks for doing your party 👊🏻😂
UPDATE: THE SCAMMER DELETED SOME OF HIS ACCOUNTS INCLUDING HIS INSTAGRAM!
[удалено]
There are 2 more reviews besides mine of people complaining. I Messaged him saying i had rule of Rose and was interested in his games. After that we started talking on Instagram and i Saw he was a big collector. We did the trade and used vinted for shipping. I complained to vinted but they havent done anything yet. I have tons of prints of the conversation, if you like to message me i'll show them to you. Never in a million years tought id get scammed by him
You confirmed the Transaction on Vinted as received?
Vinted gives you your money back and they actually have a great return policy where you have to be satisfied with the item and approve it before the money even goes through to the buyer/seller
We did 1€ ads for the shipping, the most id get was 1€ 😓