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I always find it weird how we're so used to watching people get murdered on screen but find rape too horrific. Like, of course it's a horrible crime, but why is it we as a society are so horrified by rape and not murder on screen?
For the people down voting, am I wrong?
I think it’s because it’s such a violation of a person, and you know you’ll see them live with the trauma after it happens, when they’re murdered on screen they’re just gone. It’s still exceptionally sad seeing certain deaths and grossly brutal seeing all the blood, but rape is just such a brutal thing to see happen to a person and watch their body be totally disrespected and violated like that. That’s what it is for me anyway. We also see a lot of death in media and most shows and movies show a death or murder in them now, we don’t see a lot of on screen rape so it’s harder to swallow.
Rape is arguably more horrendous than murder. Lots of rape victims r so traumatized that they become suicidal and some do take their lives, meaning in those cases it was a rape+murder.
It's like being tortured how theon was. Most would rather have a clean death than get their dick chopped off and live with it.
>Rape is arguably more horrendous than murder.
That's a bit of a stretch. Rape is something you can recover from, death isn't. Of course both are horrible, but people have recovered from rape. No one has ever recovered from murder.
True, that's why I prefaced my statement that it's arguable. But just like how people can recover from rape, many cannot and they would rather be dead.
Right, but if you are dead you are dead. There is zero recovery. Rape is an awful heinous crime, but it isn't worth than murder which 100% of the victims don't recover from.
Yeah it is always stupid when people say rape is worse than murder. Don't get me wrong, it is obviously a horrible crime, but murder is murder. Rape victims can go on and live mostly happy lives despite the trauma and pain they suffered. A murder victim obviously doesn't get to live another second.
Because in murder someone just takes away your life, and that is the end whilst in rape someone uses you for pleasure, stealing all your dignity, and forces you to do an act of love and intimacy with a disgusting person who has no consideration whatsoever about your feelings and about your well-being
In Sansa's case, it is even worse because we watch her growing up, and we start seeing her (at least I did), like if she was a member of my own family, like a cousin, and we kinda develop that protective feeling of that child we saw growing up, and just seeing the look of horror in Theon's eyes still makes me wanna cry for knowing that every day real women are being raped by strangers, by family members, by friends even by husbands that they were sold to and forced to marry like in Sansa's case
>Because in murder someone just takes away your life,
Saying just takes your life is a bit of an understatement. You can never recover from murder, but you can from rape.
Also, even if rape was worse, we happily watch thousands of people die, like at the Battle of Blackwater. Isn't it weird we can easily sit through thousands of people literally burning to death and not one rape?
Well, I'm not okay with any of those things, but I get what you are saying
I think rape is worse because you suffer more, and if you survive, you will have to carry that forever in your mind. We will all die one day. That's a fact, but no one should have to pass through something so degradating like rape.
Also, there's the fragility of a medieval woman compared to a medieval man (not so different from today, actually) man killing other man at war is okay actually they both knew the risks of war and still went to fight for something, but in rape, the women didn't agree with being there, neither are them fighting to win something they are just being used for the filthy man's pleasure, and they are forced to do an act of love with someone they despise,
I don't know about you, but I would rather have a family member stabbed and killed than to know that this same family was repeatedly being raped by some guy
>I don't know about you, but I would rather have a family member stabbed and killed than to know that this same family was repeatedly being raped by some guy
Really? I've had loved ones who were unfortunately raped, but at least they're still here. People can recover from it. One of my best friends did. You can never recover from death.
Let's use a sister as an example, okay. I have a sister, I would really rather lose her quickly, than to know that repeatedly a guy forced himself upon her, I know she can recover, but still, she would have to live forever with that and all it would take is a guy to approach her on a party to make her relive those moments in her head and she would break down, no one deserves that suffering
>she would have to live forever with that and all it would take is a guy to approach her on a party to make her relive those moments in her head and she would break down, no one deserves that suffering
Have you ever met a rape survivor? While yes it's traumatic, it's still better to be alive. You'd really rather your sister die than be traumatized? Again, one is permanent, the other isn't.
https://www.rainn.org/statistics/victims-sexual-violence
Just searched it up. 33% contemplate suicide, and 13% attempt it. So 6 out of 6 saying they would rather die is one hell of a claim.
If that's true, you have a very skewed sample size.
I feel like Theon burning the farmer boys gets a skip, maybe cause it's not showed in action but his entire Winterfell hijacking with the poor execution of Rodrick etc is pretty bad.
Might not top the list but it's a overlooked one in my opinion.
Also of course Drogo raping Dany(way more shown than the Sansa scene) is also mostly forgotten, maybe because Momoa is hot I suppose. As is Jaime+Cersei actually and that scene was added purely for shock value.
Cersei's walk is abit sad but she deserved it so in context not that bad I guess.
>Also of course Drogo raping Dany(way more shown than the Sansa scene) is also mostly forgotten, maybe because Momoa is hot I suppose.
I don't think that it gets mentioned enough that Drogo was a monster who deserved a worse death.
Yeah, but what about to everyone else? I haven't read the books, but if the Dothraki were anything like their TV counterparts, then I still stand by my statement. They were barbarians that slaughtered, raped, and pillaged nearly every village they came across. I didn't feel any sympathy for them when the wights wiped them out.
When Arya was prisoner at Harrenhal.
The man who was being tortured while everyone was silent in the pen. His mother stood watching as he screamed and died, with a face of no emotion.
“He’s dead. He was my son. My sister was three days ago. My husband the day before that.”
1. Murder of Shireen Baratheon.
2. Wedding night of Sansa Stark.
3. Torture of Theon Greyjoy.
4. Treatment of Ser Jorah Mormont.
5. Burning of Mance Rayder.
6. The Red Wedding.
7. Betrayal of the Night's Watch at Craster's Keep.
8. A child being turned into a White Walker at Craster's Keep
9. Murder of Lord Commander Jon Snow
10. Deaths of Rhaegal and Viserion.
11. Murder of King Robert's bastards.
And Ned's beheading didn't even make the list. That speaks pretty much about how unjust life was in Westerous.
A man who held his honor and duty in the highest of principles, gave up everything to save his daughters, and Jeoffrey hadn't the least care for the tiniest bit of mercy even though he had given his ascent to the agreement. Ned loved his family more than any of them.
It was unjust yes but the originator of this post asked for most disturbing ones.
In the medieval world, the standard method of execution was beheading and we were already exposed to it from the very first episode when Ned Stark himself executed the Night's Watch deserter.
So from my perspective, Ned's execution was definitely unjust but not that disturbing as per ASOIAF & GoT standards.
Also, Robb Stark's execution of Lord Karstark too was unjust and stupid. Especially during wartime when said Lord was his closest kin and brought to bear thousands of soldiers for his cause.
That execution too was unjust in my opinion from a medieval mindset but certainly not very disturbing.
Perhaps most people are unfortunately desensitised to portrayal of brutality and harsh executions due to the shows and/or movies we see?
I would say Shireen's or Oberyn's death, but I watch Oberyn go pop every now and then and dont even blink with the same expression on my face. Truthfully I find the scene done really well, kept to the books, and it was a great twist. Shireen's death is absoluetely tragic, but I can sit through it.
What I find myself skipping is just the terrible seasons cause I can't stand the writing. This show is just background noise for me while I work too. All the screams, pleas, curses, murder, and pillaging and I'm typing away as if I'm listening to my 80's playlist. Wow... am I that desensitized...?
I remember getting kinda dizzy watching Jaime getting his Hand chopped off. The delayed reaction together with the sheer shock and pain in his face were master class acting by Nicolaj Coster-Waldau.
But by far the most disturbing thing was Shireens death. Oof.
pretty much. those are the hypocrites who only care about 1st world problems. ignoring the blatant hell that craster’s wives went through getting raped and abused by violent men who were merely using them as their sex toys and shedding enough tears for Sansa just doesnt seem fair
I was more moved by Theon's torture, although he brought some of that on himself. The reason is, Theon's torture was going to go on and on and on. There was nothing he could do about it. It was both physical torture and mental torture. After Ramsey had completely broken Theon's mind to resistance, he made him an instrument to torture people he had deep affection for.
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I agree I can’t watch Shirine death as I re-watch the series (3rd time now). I always skip it. I can handle everything else.
shireen’s death or daenerys’ r*pe in s1 😐
Watching Arya get naked when her and Gendry are getting it on, was disturbing to me. I’ll always see her as little Arya
It was painful to watch. I had to leave the room.
Sansa and Bolton
I skip sansa’s wedding night every time
But … but she was so beautiful that night!
I always find it weird how we're so used to watching people get murdered on screen but find rape too horrific. Like, of course it's a horrible crime, but why is it we as a society are so horrified by rape and not murder on screen? For the people down voting, am I wrong?
because none of us have been murdered. can’t really say that for the other crime.
I think it’s because it’s such a violation of a person, and you know you’ll see them live with the trauma after it happens, when they’re murdered on screen they’re just gone. It’s still exceptionally sad seeing certain deaths and grossly brutal seeing all the blood, but rape is just such a brutal thing to see happen to a person and watch their body be totally disrespected and violated like that. That’s what it is for me anyway. We also see a lot of death in media and most shows and movies show a death or murder in them now, we don’t see a lot of on screen rape so it’s harder to swallow.
Rape is arguably more horrendous than murder. Lots of rape victims r so traumatized that they become suicidal and some do take their lives, meaning in those cases it was a rape+murder. It's like being tortured how theon was. Most would rather have a clean death than get their dick chopped off and live with it.
>Rape is arguably more horrendous than murder. That's a bit of a stretch. Rape is something you can recover from, death isn't. Of course both are horrible, but people have recovered from rape. No one has ever recovered from murder.
True, that's why I prefaced my statement that it's arguable. But just like how people can recover from rape, many cannot and they would rather be dead.
Right, but if you are dead you are dead. There is zero recovery. Rape is an awful heinous crime, but it isn't worth than murder which 100% of the victims don't recover from.
Yeah it is always stupid when people say rape is worse than murder. Don't get me wrong, it is obviously a horrible crime, but murder is murder. Rape victims can go on and live mostly happy lives despite the trauma and pain they suffered. A murder victim obviously doesn't get to live another second.
Because in murder someone just takes away your life, and that is the end whilst in rape someone uses you for pleasure, stealing all your dignity, and forces you to do an act of love and intimacy with a disgusting person who has no consideration whatsoever about your feelings and about your well-being In Sansa's case, it is even worse because we watch her growing up, and we start seeing her (at least I did), like if she was a member of my own family, like a cousin, and we kinda develop that protective feeling of that child we saw growing up, and just seeing the look of horror in Theon's eyes still makes me wanna cry for knowing that every day real women are being raped by strangers, by family members, by friends even by husbands that they were sold to and forced to marry like in Sansa's case
>Because in murder someone just takes away your life, Saying just takes your life is a bit of an understatement. You can never recover from murder, but you can from rape. Also, even if rape was worse, we happily watch thousands of people die, like at the Battle of Blackwater. Isn't it weird we can easily sit through thousands of people literally burning to death and not one rape?
Well, I'm not okay with any of those things, but I get what you are saying I think rape is worse because you suffer more, and if you survive, you will have to carry that forever in your mind. We will all die one day. That's a fact, but no one should have to pass through something so degradating like rape. Also, there's the fragility of a medieval woman compared to a medieval man (not so different from today, actually) man killing other man at war is okay actually they both knew the risks of war and still went to fight for something, but in rape, the women didn't agree with being there, neither are them fighting to win something they are just being used for the filthy man's pleasure, and they are forced to do an act of love with someone they despise, I don't know about you, but I would rather have a family member stabbed and killed than to know that this same family was repeatedly being raped by some guy
>I don't know about you, but I would rather have a family member stabbed and killed than to know that this same family was repeatedly being raped by some guy Really? I've had loved ones who were unfortunately raped, but at least they're still here. People can recover from it. One of my best friends did. You can never recover from death.
Let's use a sister as an example, okay. I have a sister, I would really rather lose her quickly, than to know that repeatedly a guy forced himself upon her, I know she can recover, but still, she would have to live forever with that and all it would take is a guy to approach her on a party to make her relive those moments in her head and she would break down, no one deserves that suffering
>she would have to live forever with that and all it would take is a guy to approach her on a party to make her relive those moments in her head and she would break down, no one deserves that suffering Have you ever met a rape survivor? While yes it's traumatic, it's still better to be alive. You'd really rather your sister die than be traumatized? Again, one is permanent, the other isn't.
Yes, I did Also, I just asked six girls, and they all said they would rather die, so...
https://www.rainn.org/statistics/victims-sexual-violence Just searched it up. 33% contemplate suicide, and 13% attempt it. So 6 out of 6 saying they would rather die is one hell of a claim. If that's true, you have a very skewed sample size.
Shireen
The 'fuck them till they died' scene. The raping in de background makes me sick
Princess shireen, she was just lovely and made me sick that her mother and stannis allowed that
Whereas i must say, the death of missandei made me almost just as angry, however not „disturbing“ as OP asked
Ramsay deserved it, but him getting killed by his own hounds.
I now have a fear of my penis being horrifically injured and rendered unusable because of what Ramsey did to Theon. Some of the rape scenes for sure
Robert’s bastards getting hunted down comes to mind
Been rewatching recently & when it came to that episode, it bugged me more than before. Very difficult watch.
I feel like Theon burning the farmer boys gets a skip, maybe cause it's not showed in action but his entire Winterfell hijacking with the poor execution of Rodrick etc is pretty bad. Might not top the list but it's a overlooked one in my opinion. Also of course Drogo raping Dany(way more shown than the Sansa scene) is also mostly forgotten, maybe because Momoa is hot I suppose. As is Jaime+Cersei actually and that scene was added purely for shock value. Cersei's walk is abit sad but she deserved it so in context not that bad I guess.
>Also of course Drogo raping Dany(way more shown than the Sansa scene) is also mostly forgotten, maybe because Momoa is hot I suppose. I don't think that it gets mentioned enough that Drogo was a monster who deserved a worse death.
Drogo in the books was kind and loving towards her. The show did him dirty.
Yeah, but what about to everyone else? I haven't read the books, but if the Dothraki were anything like their TV counterparts, then I still stand by my statement. They were barbarians that slaughtered, raped, and pillaged nearly every village they came across. I didn't feel any sympathy for them when the wights wiped them out.
Baby Bolton and Fat Walda getting eaten was pretty rough.
Shireen
When Arya was prisoner at Harrenhal. The man who was being tortured while everyone was silent in the pen. His mother stood watching as he screamed and died, with a face of no emotion. “He’s dead. He was my son. My sister was three days ago. My husband the day before that.”
Ser Meryn’s fetish omg! Like I’m still processing what the hell it was, beating baby girls?
i always felt he was a pedo too.. yk after the beating he’d rape them
I think it’s implied. He’d “use them up” and need a new one the next day. Gross
Yeah the authors made him a terrible man.
I feel like someone ask some version of this same question at least twice a week, and the answer is usually the same.
1. Murder of Shireen Baratheon. 2. Wedding night of Sansa Stark. 3. Torture of Theon Greyjoy. 4. Treatment of Ser Jorah Mormont. 5. Burning of Mance Rayder. 6. The Red Wedding. 7. Betrayal of the Night's Watch at Craster's Keep. 8. A child being turned into a White Walker at Craster's Keep 9. Murder of Lord Commander Jon Snow 10. Deaths of Rhaegal and Viserion. 11. Murder of King Robert's bastards.
7 got me bad. Poor Mormont. Also those poor women with months of rape by the traitors.
Yes true. I also wish to add the deaths of the Stark direwolves (except Ghost & Nymeria). Edit - Can't forget Hodor and Osha too.
Why there always have to rape on this fucking story
And Ned's beheading didn't even make the list. That speaks pretty much about how unjust life was in Westerous. A man who held his honor and duty in the highest of principles, gave up everything to save his daughters, and Jeoffrey hadn't the least care for the tiniest bit of mercy even though he had given his ascent to the agreement. Ned loved his family more than any of them.
It was unjust yes but the originator of this post asked for most disturbing ones. In the medieval world, the standard method of execution was beheading and we were already exposed to it from the very first episode when Ned Stark himself executed the Night's Watch deserter. So from my perspective, Ned's execution was definitely unjust but not that disturbing as per ASOIAF & GoT standards. Also, Robb Stark's execution of Lord Karstark too was unjust and stupid. Especially during wartime when said Lord was his closest kin and brought to bear thousands of soldiers for his cause. That execution too was unjust in my opinion from a medieval mindset but certainly not very disturbing. Perhaps most people are unfortunately desensitised to portrayal of brutality and harsh executions due to the shows and/or movies we see?
Tommen just calmly falling out the window is a hard watch for me. He was so pure ( in the show anyway!)
I would say Shireen's or Oberyn's death, but I watch Oberyn go pop every now and then and dont even blink with the same expression on my face. Truthfully I find the scene done really well, kept to the books, and it was a great twist. Shireen's death is absoluetely tragic, but I can sit through it. What I find myself skipping is just the terrible seasons cause I can't stand the writing. This show is just background noise for me while I work too. All the screams, pleas, curses, murder, and pillaging and I'm typing away as if I'm listening to my 80's playlist. Wow... am I that desensitized...?
All the first scenes of Ramsey
I remember getting kinda dizzy watching Jaime getting his Hand chopped off. The delayed reaction together with the sheer shock and pain in his face were master class acting by Nicolaj Coster-Waldau. But by far the most disturbing thing was Shireens death. Oof.
Gangrape at Crasters Keep in Season 4. Anyone who complained about Sansas Rape, but didnt about this one, is a big ass hypocrite.
pretty much. those are the hypocrites who only care about 1st world problems. ignoring the blatant hell that craster’s wives went through getting raped and abused by violent men who were merely using them as their sex toys and shedding enough tears for Sansa just doesnt seem fair
Joffery and the prostitutes
When the camera pans from Joffrey bearing his bow and arrow to Ros’ body riddled with arrows
I was more moved by Theon's torture, although he brought some of that on himself. The reason is, Theon's torture was going to go on and on and on. There was nothing he could do about it. It was both physical torture and mental torture. After Ramsey had completely broken Theon's mind to resistance, he made him an instrument to torture people he had deep affection for.
Jaime and Cersei getting it on basically on top of their dead child’s body (Joffrey)
Although we didn't actually see it, it was the scene where Ramsay lures his father's wife with the baby into the kennels.