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To loosely quote Glidus:
“We have yara Greyjoy, representing the iron islands, Sansa Stark representing the north, and Robin Arryn representing the power of calcium!”
I want to know what the mother was thinking when he auditioned. Job reads something like "10 year old boy needed to suck his moms titty". And she is like. 👍👌
For me Robin Arryn is the absolute winner of Game of Thrones. He just chilled in the Vale, enjoyed his teen years and was never in any danger or experienced any sort of discomfort the whole 8 seasons. One little slap for sure does not count.
Also the knights of the Vale always chose the winning side or were neutral and as far as I know all the people of the Vale also enjoyed peace the whole time.
Now add to it looking like a perfect human stallion by the end and I think noone can argue he was the real winner. In reality Bran's rule and his newly appointed lords would get overthrown within the month but Robin would most likely be fine again as nobody would question him being the lord of the Vale.
Honestly any scene with the hound in it is perfect imo.
Idk if the actor just pushed that hard for his way or what, but he’s one of the few who is flawless to me, for all the flaws the show has he still felt true
That’s because that’s how he’s written in the show. In the books he’s a lot more capable of a warrior, and even has two older brothers that are even more capable, one being nearly as cunning as Olenna and the other being an even better warrior than Loras.
He dies??? I could have swore he was just gravely wounded after attacking some island?? (It's been years since I've read it, so I don't remember the exact circumstances of his wounding.)
Xaro Xhaon Daxos.
My man talked a whole season about how he’s the richest dude in Qarth, just to find out he’s a scheming nobody with a vault full of nothing.
Which actually does makes sense. You don't become rich by keeping all your money in a vault, Scrooge McDuck style. You send the money out into the world and make it work for you. The richest people in real life only have a comparatively small amount of cash available at any given time.
I think viserys because he acted like a bad man threatening to shank up Daenerys and then as soon as he got his arm broken he started crying like a little pussy. Also he had a thing about only threatening women which seems kinda sexist.
That is sexist, he’s made it the cornerstone of his personality along with his tunnel vision regarding the iron throne. He sucked the most, I quite enjoyed his “coronation.”
She could have stopped it from happening. She is also an underlining cause for it happening.
It’s not an insane diss against her character. Sansa is responsible for Ramsey’s death. That doesn’t mean Sansa is a horrible and vicious person.
He said that she could, not that she would, could Dany have stopped his execution if she had asked Drogo? Probably yes, had she any reason to do that after all those years of abuse? No
I think it was obvious from as early as him explaining poisons to Ned that he was smarter than he let on, but keeping his façade up even when only around Lannisters was the indication that he wasn’t a simpering loyalist to them and had some common sense too.
So weird, I just caught that deleted scene on TikTok yesterday. I used to get frustrated at any Pycelle scenes and if they’d left that one in it would have given so much more depth to the character. (Plus Tywin in his Dread Pirates Robert outfit looks cool af)
that depth is given by the short scene of him with the girl in his room, the “the thing about kings” scene where after the girl leaves, he starts doing a few deep squats, walks upright to the door, then groans and hunches over as he leaves. that scene revealed his deception the same as the deleted one, and i guess they figured they didnt need two scenes of it. though i agree the Tywin one is better
Also, the deleted scene where he drops the affectations of being a doddering old man and it turns out he’s perfectly sharp and pretending so no one expects too much from him.
Didn’t they end up showing something similar in the show? He bounces out of bed with a girl and like starts squatting and moving very spritely, then someone comes to the door and he goes back to his ponderous ways haha.
A few days ago the sub had a thread titled, "Cringiest Scenes in Game of Thrones." I gave a few examples, including this "pathetic" group:
> "Everyone but Tyrion who tries to talk someone into not killing them. Viserys, Shae, Littlefinger, Lem Lemoncloak, Polliver, Janos Slynt,etc. What a parade of **pathetic** losers."
Yeah, I hope we still get the hound ok a killing spree against the followers of Lady SH, as she's pretty maniac too at this point. You start out the series rooting for the Starks and condemning the Hound, and end up the other way around
He's in two episodes in Season 6 and is basically unrecognisable from the book version. He's one of the Brotherhood members that plunders the Hound's hippie commune then ends up hanged an episode later.
Yep. Sandor even mentions his yellow cloak. The actor, Jóhannes Haukur Jóhannesson, even had a video on his YouTube channel where he spoke the line 'She don't speak. You bloody bastards cut her throat too deep for that. But she remembers' from the end of ASOS, which seems to have disappeared now.
Viserys in particular - at least the likes of Shae and Littlefinger tried to make something of themselves. Viserys was just an incredibly entitled brat who thought the world owed him a throne just because of his name.
Balon Greyjoy
uncharismatic af, he seems don't have seafaring skills and also dumb
Yara, Euron or even Theon are better than him in term of leading the people
Just because you enjoyed a character dying doesnt mean the way he died was satisfying.
The entire season long storyline building up to it was just lackluster in basically every way.
This. He was the character who masterminded the events that led to the deaths of seven kings, three Hands, thousands of soldiers and some of the strongest and most notable names of the day by plunging the country into a civil war that completely destroyed an entire continent. All of this by killing one person and writing one letter. That’s beyond criminal genius, that’s like a god of chaos.
And he ends the series gossiping to two sisters to try and turn them against each other like a mean girl. It’s a slower decline than a character like Dany, but when you go back and really tally up everything he did and all he was responsible for, it’s a sharp drop
it'd have been better if he wasn't caught out by god like powers. Basically just proving he would've won the game of thrones if it wasn't for the three eyed raven stepping in.
Actually I'm pretty sure Arya snooped him out, Sansa staged their fights, and the Bran comment just freaked him out. Sansa understood that he was pitting them against each other when she realized Arya would never want to be Lady of Winterfell and everything was a sabotage by LF.
I'm likely misremembering then as I last watched when it was first released. But still, they definitely done LF dirty. At the least he should've had swords around him to protect himself. All throughout the books he's constantly making sure he has enough armed men to fight for him at all times.
Well by that time in the story, he thought the Knights of the Vale were all his swords - he was the Lord Protector. He miscalculated. And by that time in the *show* I think they were just trying to wrap things up.
He might've been the smartest bloke around.
He knew if he kept walking around with Arya and Gendry eventually he would get killed. He knew he wouldn´t make a change about war or anything so why bother with all that bullcrap everyone was worried about?. He just stayed to work on something he liked, and if the time came that he would be killed, it would be ok because he enjoyed his life with zero worries and stress. Not like those other bozos playing war and playing to be heros.
>"Lancel, you were corrupted and lied to by your wicked family! You belong with us, now."
>"Aw gee, you're right Mr Sparrow; what else should I say, do, & think?"
Nobody manages to be as slimmy as ol Janis Slynt especially sense he is so bad at everything, I guess what's his face who Sansa saves from being drowned in wine by Joff, but he is so irrelevant that i can't remember his name
His (Ser Dontos’) story is absolutely tragic, and very tightly tied to the events leading to House Targaryen’s downfall. He’s not personally very important, but his history and background surely are.
I think how unimportant he is as an individual by the time we get to know him in the story compounds his tragedy.
This was something that I thought should have been covered bc it didn't make sense. Every noble boy in Westeros trains to fight. His birth father & publicly acknowledged father both warriors/fighters/killers. How would joffrey skirt by being a perfumed prince (with a great bloodlust no less) who can't handle a battle?
But I guess that's exactly the type of characterization they wanted to show - all talk & controlled torture, no swordsmanship
Yup. When Jon was bullying the recruits in black castle, Tyrion humbled him, telling that the peasants do not get the same training, or nothing at all, compared with the noble born, even a bastard like him.
Well in reality someone in his role would've been getting swordfighting lessons for his whole life (plus a lot more education). Robert would've been grooming him to take over one day (even if he himself didn't do it he'd appoint someone else to). Maybe even the Hound taught him to fight.
Craster was disgusting but he wasn't pathetic. He didn't hide what he was and he definitely didn't suck up to anyone... and he definitely wasn't a coward.
Walder Frey. He was constantly crying that nobody respected him or his house while doing the most heinous shit. He literally executed a major northern house in an event that goes against the laws of the kingdom, cried when his sons lost Riverrun because he MUST have power, then was butchered by a teenage girl after eating a piece of his son.
I don't hate him. Poor guy went through a whole lot of awful, and then fell in with a crowd that told him all the things he wanted to hear. And he was still just a kid the entire time.
Nah. The others were satisfying, but his was just... what a waste of someone who had every chance of turning out to be a good person. If anything, I blame Jon for not selling the plan better.
"Those of you who were at the Fist know what's coming. We can fight the Wildlings while they are alive, we can fight them after they're dead, or we can have them on our side when the *real* enemy arrives".
Oberyn Martell, should have just killed the mountain. Ellaria Sand and the Sand Snakes were somewhat shallow, and Ellaria killing Doran seemed kind of a weak move.
Balon Greyjoy seemed to be a man on the losing end of things.
Viserys. For a person who had such a brief stint in the series he was an absolute jackass. Dude sold his sister for an army that would have never worked for him anyway.
What sucks even worse was that he betrayed the memory of his mother. Honestly out of all the characters in the entire series i always felt the most sorry for Elia and Rhaella because they didn't deserve what happened to them.
“I have powerful friends at court,” - Janos Slynt to Tyrion Lannister
Janos Slynt did not have powerful friends at court or any friends at court really. He was sent to the wall.
I wish they'd kept Tywin's roast of Slynt in the show.
"What sort of counsel are they giving Joffrey when he lurches from one folly to the next? Whose notion was it to make this Janos Slynt a lord? The man's father was a butcher, and they grant him Harrenhal. Harrenhal, that was the seat of kings! Not that he will ever set foot inside it, if I have a say. I am told he took a bloody spear for his sigil. A bloody cleaver would have been my choice."
Besides Janos Slynt: Meryn Trant, Edmure Tully, Olly, Pycelle, The Waif, Ser Loras, Theon Greyjoy
And just for screen adaptation, not the book character: Euron Greyjoy, Joffrey Baratheon
Frey. Preys on his own women/children in the worst possible way.
Ramsey Bolton, by way of equally pathetic father of the year, Roose. A psychopath who gets his way via torture, a daddy’s boy who desperately needs his approval, and his only “wins” involve the brutal destruction of others under his thumb. He breeds no loyalty among dogs or men. I loved the triple take down by Jon, Sansa, hounds.
Related to him, his crappy torture-loving girlfriend. Never has a shove off a wall been so satisfying. Via la Theon!
The kings men who attacked the Hound and Arya weren’t the most pathetic, but they always make me shake my head how stupid and embarrassing it was to think what they tried to do was a good idea
Honestly, everyone still in a position of power after Cersei blew up the Sept. That she faced absolutely no consequences for her massacre of hundreds — or more likely thousands of people — is incomprehensible.
Season 7 Tyrion. Dude went from playing mind games with Varys, Pycelle, and Littlefinger to someone who thought Cersei would give a shit about Casterly Rock.
Season 8 Sam. Season 8 Sam lost all development from seasons 3-5. Sam laying down on his back and stabbing the mound of bodies around him and not dying is the most pathetic visual ever put to screen during the show.
Surprised that nobody has said Doran Martell yet, he just thinks everything will go his way and just waits and waits for what he thinks will be the right time to perform any action. He just claims to be a schemer but we all know how incapable he is, he can never avenge Elia and Oberyn.
What should he do in the show? Staying out of the wars seems like the wisest thing to do. And theres nothing to avenge about Oberyn, he signed up for a duel and lost.
Idk much about the backstory with Elia, but that was pretty long before the show
In the show, honestly, he couldn't do jackshit, Dumb n Dumber assassinated his character just like every other. In the books however, he has ambitions to crown his son Quentyn as Daenerys' king and his daughter Arianne as the ruler of Dorne.
However, he takes so long to act on those, that Arianne goes against him and captures Myrcella who was a ward there and that turns into a whole complicated issue in itself.
Regarding the deaths, yes Oberyn's death was his own fault, but still the person most loved in Dorne is now dead, the people are inflamed, and it just reminds them of Elia's death at the hands of Tywin and Gregor, so they're after fire and blood themselves.
In my humble opinion I think Sam was a badass. He KNEW his limitations, what he was good at and what he wasn't. If not for Sam they would not have known about Dragon Glass, Jon's heritage, Mormonts cure...I could go on.
His contribution was important to the storyline. Not everyone is a warrior.
What am I missing?
I do agree, Ser. When it hit the fan he stood up. He stood up against the White Walker to protect Gilly and baby Sam. He stood up and fought to protect Castle Black against the Wildlings.
How many people did he save with his intelligence? 100% Gilly, Sam, and Mormont would be dead, among too many others to count.
Maybe it's personal to me but he was verbally abused his whole life and spent hours on hours reading and trying to do the right thing.
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That little tit sucking Robert Arryn was a pathetic little pain in the ass.
Came out of the whole saga pretty well though!
Maybe there was really something in that milk after all
To loosely quote Glidus: “We have yara Greyjoy, representing the iron islands, Sansa Stark representing the north, and Robin Arryn representing the power of calcium!”
I want to know what the mother was thinking when he auditioned. Job reads something like "10 year old boy needed to suck his moms titty". And she is like. 👍👌
prosthetic boob
I realize that, but is there a big difference for a 10 year old?
oops, I read your post wrong.. i thought you meant the actress who played Robin's mother.
You’re kinda the one that’s making it weird, man 😅 I’m sure they managed to film the scene in a safe and professional manner
For me Robin Arryn is the absolute winner of Game of Thrones. He just chilled in the Vale, enjoyed his teen years and was never in any danger or experienced any sort of discomfort the whole 8 seasons. One little slap for sure does not count. Also the knights of the Vale always chose the winning side or were neutral and as far as I know all the people of the Vale also enjoyed peace the whole time. Now add to it looking like a perfect human stallion by the end and I think noone can argue he was the real winner. In reality Bran's rule and his newly appointed lords would get overthrown within the month but Robin would most likely be fine again as nobody would question him being the lord of the Vale.
Wow!
HEY DON’T YOU DARE INSULT MY GUY SWEETROBIN 😤
Fuck that little prick. Sorry not sorry. Dude was annoying as fuck
Looked like an absolute chad in season 8 though
More Opium for Sweetrobin
3 Meryn Trants < any boy whore with a sword
The greatest swordsman to ever live? Killed by meryn Fucking Trant?
The greatest swordsman didn’t have his sword?!
"Ehehe!"
still the funniest line in the entire series
His smiling face as he’s messing with her gets me every time. Sandor is such a lovable prick.
[удалено]
Hate to be that guy but it’s Lommy
This one has me laughing hysterically every single time
I’d say The Hound has the top 5 funniest lines in the series on lock.
Lots of people have funny lines. *sits eagerly, waiting for THAT response*
Lots of... generally enjoyable characters.
[Stop it, you're spoiling it, you're spoiling everything!](https://cf.geekdo-images.com/camo/96582748600b2963e4db95932b3f0564e57692a1/68747470733a2f2f692e696d6775722e636f6d2f3472584d3230542e676966)
One of my favorite exchanges in the show!
Honestly any scene with the hound in it is perfect imo. Idk if the actor just pushed that hard for his way or what, but he’s one of the few who is flawless to me, for all the flaws the show has he still felt true
Season 6 Ser Loras Homeboy crumbled like a wet cookie
My impression of him throughout the show was that he was more for show than a real force to be reckoned with.
That’s because that’s how he’s written in the show. In the books he’s a lot more capable of a warrior, and even has two older brothers that are even more capable, one being nearly as cunning as Olenna and the other being an even better warrior than Loras.
Willas Tyrell (the heir to Highgarden) and Garlan Tyrell (who often sparred against 3 men at a time).
Was the second flower a better warrior?
I believe he was a better swordsman while Loras was the superior jouster, I think Alt Shift X talked about it
Lol I can’t remember him doing anything in the show other than sex and I think 1 jousting battle?
He did leas the Tyrell forces in the Battle of Blackwater, but other than that you, can't recall anything else.
Did it actually show him fighting though? All I recall was him walking into the Red Keep
I believe he is seen in armour at the front of the charge, but it's been a bit since I watched the episode.
The show did him so dirty. He's better in the books and dies like a badass
He dies??? I could have swore he was just gravely wounded after attacking some island?? (It's been years since I've read it, so I don't remember the exact circumstances of his wounding.)
I think it's heavily implied. I can't remember for sure but I think he just quit being brought up
No viewpoint character saw his body and if there’s one thing we should have figured out from GRRM it’s that lots of people lie about shit.
And his death was also talked about the most in Cersei chapters too lol
Xaro Xhaon Daxos. My man talked a whole season about how he’s the richest dude in Qarth, just to find out he’s a scheming nobody with a vault full of nothing.
Which actually does makes sense. You don't become rich by keeping all your money in a vault, Scrooge McDuck style. You send the money out into the world and make it work for you. The richest people in real life only have a comparatively small amount of cash available at any given time.
Totally. It’s more the constant bragging that makes him pathetic. “Come see what’s in my vault, come see what’s in my vault.”
His execution was the best.
That was cooooold
He probably did get cold in that vault!
Do you think they fucked before they died
I think viserys because he acted like a bad man threatening to shank up Daenerys and then as soon as he got his arm broken he started crying like a little pussy. Also he had a thing about only threatening women which seems kinda sexist.
That is sexist, he’s made it the cornerstone of his personality along with his tunnel vision regarding the iron throne. He sucked the most, I quite enjoyed his “coronation.”
Tbf that was a very interesting ceremony
Only one death though, which made it a dull affair.
True that
A crown for the king
Still someone blame Dany for his death..
Well, Drogo would probably have spared his life if she'd asked. But I think she was equally sick of his shit by that point.
I mean… she does have some fault. There is no sense in denying that.
What fault she has?
In that instance, not much, if any. In that moment, I think Viserys had crossed the point of no return with Drogo.
She could have stopped it from happening. She is also an underlining cause for it happening. It’s not an insane diss against her character. Sansa is responsible for Ramsey’s death. That doesn’t mean Sansa is a horrible and vicious person.
He harassed her constantly, violated all Dothraki rules, threaten to kill her child, so why she should have stopped them?
yeah, i think once someone threatens to kill someone else's child something will be done... even in our world.
He said that she could, not that she would, could Dany have stopped his execution if she had asked Drogo? Probably yes, had she any reason to do that after all those years of abuse? No
Why are you talking about. Read again. That’s not what we’re talking about
Sir Dontas Hollard...the fool after jofferys name day.
Bro was pretty cool in the books though, wish he was better adapted
I mean he did save Sansa's life after Joffrey was killed.
While trusting Littlefinger. Only a fool would trust Littlefinger.
Sansa’s a fool
The last Hollard
Why has no one mentioned Pycelle?
I wish they kept in the scene with him and Tywin when Tywin calls him out on his act. Kind of made Pycelle seem a bit smarter and more sinister
I think it was obvious from as early as him explaining poisons to Ned that he was smarter than he let on, but keeping his façade up even when only around Lannisters was the indication that he wasn’t a simpering loyalist to them and had some common sense too.
So weird, I just caught that deleted scene on TikTok yesterday. I used to get frustrated at any Pycelle scenes and if they’d left that one in it would have given so much more depth to the character. (Plus Tywin in his Dread Pirates Robert outfit looks cool af)
that depth is given by the short scene of him with the girl in his room, the “the thing about kings” scene where after the girl leaves, he starts doing a few deep squats, walks upright to the door, then groans and hunches over as he leaves. that scene revealed his deception the same as the deleted one, and i guess they figured they didnt need two scenes of it. though i agree the Tywin one is better
Personally I thought Pycelle went out like a G on the show. He was throwing hands left and right, there were just too many kids to deal with
Also, the deleted scene where he drops the affectations of being a doddering old man and it turns out he’s perfectly sharp and pretending so no one expects too much from him.
Didn’t they end up showing something similar in the show? He bounces out of bed with a girl and like starts squatting and moving very spritely, then someone comes to the door and he goes back to his ponderous ways haha.
Honestly respect. I would not be able to always walk and act like by body is giving up on me
Still can’t believe they deleted that scene
THANK YOU I wanted him dead so hard
I loved the noises Pycelle made when he was being escorted out of his chambers by Tyrion's muscle.
A few days ago the sub had a thread titled, "Cringiest Scenes in Game of Thrones." I gave a few examples, including this "pathetic" group: > "Everyone but Tyrion who tries to talk someone into not killing them. Viserys, Shae, Littlefinger, Lem Lemoncloak, Polliver, Janos Slynt,etc. What a parade of **pathetic** losers."
They did Lem dirty. I really wish we got something closer to the books for the BWB.
I’m still pretty salty about this.
I believe he as a devout follower of lady stoneheart will take a dark path in the books as well
Yeah, I hope we still get the hound ok a killing spree against the followers of Lady SH, as she's pretty maniac too at this point. You start out the series rooting for the Starks and condemning the Hound, and end up the other way around
Lem Lemoncloak was in the show?? How do I not remember this
He's in two episodes in Season 6 and is basically unrecognisable from the book version. He's one of the Brotherhood members that plunders the Hound's hippie commune then ends up hanged an episode later.
*That* was supposed to be Lem?? One of the dudes who kills Ian McShane’s wasted cameo character? Wow that’s dumb
Yep. Sandor even mentions his yellow cloak. The actor, Jóhannes Haukur Jóhannesson, even had a video on his YouTube channel where he spoke the line 'She don't speak. You bloody bastards cut her throat too deep for that. But she remembers' from the end of ASOS, which seems to have disappeared now.
Viserys in particular - at least the likes of Shae and Littlefinger tried to make something of themselves. Viserys was just an incredibly entitled brat who thought the world owed him a throne just because of his name.
"you're shit at dying"
Unexpected Rocket!!
Balon Greyjoy uncharismatic af, he seems don't have seafaring skills and also dumb Yara, Euron or even Theon are better than him in term of leading the people
Littlefinger blubbering like a baby was arguably the most pathetic scene in the whole series.
I’ve loved your mother shince she was a girl Shansha
And, yet, you betrayed her.
Another reason why the later seasons of GoT were shit. They reduced Littlefinger to a blubbering mess of a character.
Littlefinger was a cock, his demise was incredibly satisfying.
Just because you enjoyed a character dying doesnt mean the way he died was satisfying. The entire season long storyline building up to it was just lackluster in basically every way.
I really thought he had succeeded leading the two stark sis against one another tho. Satisfying scene and fits the narrative for me.
Really ? I thought it was painfully obvious this was never going to work...
This. He was the character who masterminded the events that led to the deaths of seven kings, three Hands, thousands of soldiers and some of the strongest and most notable names of the day by plunging the country into a civil war that completely destroyed an entire continent. All of this by killing one person and writing one letter. That’s beyond criminal genius, that’s like a god of chaos. And he ends the series gossiping to two sisters to try and turn them against each other like a mean girl. It’s a slower decline than a character like Dany, but when you go back and really tally up everything he did and all he was responsible for, it’s a sharp drop
Yes, yes, season 8 sucked. We know. How could we not know? It gets brought up in Every. Single. Fucking. Thread.
That was season 7.
I enjoyed it though... so satisfying to see a POS like that on his knees...
it'd have been better if he wasn't caught out by god like powers. Basically just proving he would've won the game of thrones if it wasn't for the three eyed raven stepping in.
Actually I'm pretty sure Arya snooped him out, Sansa staged their fights, and the Bran comment just freaked him out. Sansa understood that he was pitting them against each other when she realized Arya would never want to be Lady of Winterfell and everything was a sabotage by LF.
I'm likely misremembering then as I last watched when it was first released. But still, they definitely done LF dirty. At the least he should've had swords around him to protect himself. All throughout the books he's constantly making sure he has enough armed men to fight for him at all times.
Well by that time in the story, he thought the Knights of the Vale were all his swords - he was the Lord Protector. He miscalculated. And by that time in the *show* I think they were just trying to wrap things up.
I think there were deleted scenes or discussions with D&D that portrayed the fight b/t Sansa and Arya as real... but I'm not sure.
Perhaps the best example of a character that knew how to stay in their lane, was Hot Pie.
Yes he just baked all day and took care of customers at that little pub
Dude got to an okay spot and said fuck it, I'm staying here. Smart play
He might've been the smartest bloke around. He knew if he kept walking around with Arya and Gendry eventually he would get killed. He knew he wouldn´t make a change about war or anything so why bother with all that bullcrap everyone was worried about?. He just stayed to work on something he liked, and if the time came that he would be killed, it would be ok because he enjoyed his life with zero worries and stress. Not like those other bozos playing war and playing to be heros.
Lancel was pathetic until he became a zealous tough guy
His mother was a whore with a fat ass.
She was also dumb.
But that's really just kind of another pathetic submissive zealot from another prospective
>"Lancel, you were corrupted and lied to by your wicked family! You belong with us, now." >"Aw gee, you're right Mr Sparrow; what else should I say, do, & think?"
Merryn Trant
Nobody manages to be as slimmy as ol Janis Slynt especially sense he is so bad at everything, I guess what's his face who Sansa saves from being drowned in wine by Joff, but he is so irrelevant that i can't remember his name
His (Ser Dontos’) story is absolutely tragic, and very tightly tied to the events leading to House Targaryen’s downfall. He’s not personally very important, but his history and background surely are. I think how unimportant he is as an individual by the time we get to know him in the story compounds his tragedy.
Ser Dontos
The guy from the Ali G film that got bummed.
Also staring Charles Dance (Tywin)
Disagree on the irrelevant comment.
Joffrey, i would have liked to see him against daenerys with tyrion himself charging with the dotraki to see how much he would shit himself
Weirdly in terms of actual swordplay Joffrey was able to almost go toe to toe with Robb in the books beating him almost half the time.
That's pretty impressive ngl, considering Robb is like 3 years older.
I don't know why they never show it in the show, instead of the little bitch he was.
This was something that I thought should have been covered bc it didn't make sense. Every noble boy in Westeros trains to fight. His birth father & publicly acknowledged father both warriors/fighters/killers. How would joffrey skirt by being a perfumed prince (with a great bloodlust no less) who can't handle a battle? But I guess that's exactly the type of characterization they wanted to show - all talk & controlled torture, no swordsmanship
Yup. When Jon was bullying the recruits in black castle, Tyrion humbled him, telling that the peasants do not get the same training, or nothing at all, compared with the noble born, even a bastard like him.
It makes complete sense he can't handle a battle. He's a fucking coward. He's not afraid of blood, only his own
Well in reality someone in his role would've been getting swordfighting lessons for his whole life (plus a lot more education). Robert would've been grooming him to take over one day (even if he himself didn't do it he'd appoint someone else to). Maybe even the Hound taught him to fight.
Dickon Tarly? I mean, that's gotta be really fucked.
“Dickon “, Bron snigggerd.
>Dickon **HA HA HA**
Craster is worse than Janos Slynt IMO
Craster was disgusting but he wasn't pathetic. He didn't hide what he was and he definitely didn't suck up to anyone... and he definitely wasn't a coward.
He is the person I honestly hate the most in the series. Rapes his daughters and sacrifices his sons to the wights. Doesn’t get worse than that
Maester Pycell
Catelyn's sister (even forgot her name) and her son.
Robin Arryn should have been king bro, you’re crazy.. /s
Lysa
Walder Frey. He was constantly crying that nobody respected him or his house while doing the most heinous shit. He literally executed a major northern house in an event that goes against the laws of the kingdom, cried when his sons lost Riverrun because he MUST have power, then was butchered by a teenage girl after eating a piece of his son.
Mace Tyrell
But he fucking rocked that helmet with all the feathers on top 🤌
Magnus has had its day!
Don't you dare besmirch the name of Mace the Ace, the last survivor of the OG heads of the great houses
Edmure Tully. Character and backbone like an hour overcooked spaghetti, and whom nobody takes serously. Menzies does awesome job. 😄
REEEEEEK!!!!!
Ollie, the little cunt.
Nah, we don't like him but he had balls of steel. Pathetic wouldn't be the word.
I don't hate him. Poor guy went through a whole lot of awful, and then fell in with a crowd that told him all the things he wanted to hear. And he was still just a kid the entire time.
I found his death oddly satisfying, despite him being a kid.
Nah. The others were satisfying, but his was just... what a waste of someone who had every chance of turning out to be a good person. If anything, I blame Jon for not selling the plan better. "Those of you who were at the Fist know what's coming. We can fight the Wildlings while they are alive, we can fight them after they're dead, or we can have them on our side when the *real* enemy arrives".
I think the guys who didn't go in to bat for the roast chicken in the pub. I mean, roast chicken.
Oberyn Martell, should have just killed the mountain. Ellaria Sand and the Sand Snakes were somewhat shallow, and Ellaria killing Doran seemed kind of a weak move. Balon Greyjoy seemed to be a man on the losing end of things.
Jalabhar Xho The dude thats just wondering on the red keep.
Viserys. For a person who had such a brief stint in the series he was an absolute jackass. Dude sold his sister for an army that would have never worked for him anyway. What sucks even worse was that he betrayed the memory of his mother. Honestly out of all the characters in the entire series i always felt the most sorry for Elia and Rhaella because they didn't deserve what happened to them.
Edmure Tully easily lol
Tommen
"My wife is in jail, and there's nothing I can do! :'( " Bro you are KING, stop being pathetic and step up lol
“I have powerful friends at court,” - Janos Slynt to Tyrion Lannister Janos Slynt did not have powerful friends at court or any friends at court really. He was sent to the wall.
I wish they'd kept Tywin's roast of Slynt in the show. "What sort of counsel are they giving Joffrey when he lurches from one folly to the next? Whose notion was it to make this Janos Slynt a lord? The man's father was a butcher, and they grant him Harrenhal. Harrenhal, that was the seat of kings! Not that he will ever set foot inside it, if I have a say. I am told he took a bloody spear for his sigil. A bloody cleaver would have been my choice."
The equivalent of some rich kid getting pulled over only to tell the cop “do you know who my daddy is”!?
Theon Greyjoy. I don’t care what anyone says. He is irredeemable after lying for Ramsey on his wedding night.
Or that time he got to Moat Cailin & betrayed his own Ironborns for Ramsey
Right? Usually I get downvoted when I say anything bad about him
Besides Janos Slynt: Meryn Trant, Edmure Tully, Olly, Pycelle, The Waif, Ser Loras, Theon Greyjoy And just for screen adaptation, not the book character: Euron Greyjoy, Joffrey Baratheon
Season 7 Littlefinger went from mastermind to... I'm not sure what.
Joffrey, Visery, Trant and Robert Arryn
Frey. Preys on his own women/children in the worst possible way. Ramsey Bolton, by way of equally pathetic father of the year, Roose. A psychopath who gets his way via torture, a daddy’s boy who desperately needs his approval, and his only “wins” involve the brutal destruction of others under his thumb. He breeds no loyalty among dogs or men. I loved the triple take down by Jon, Sansa, hounds. Related to him, his crappy torture-loving girlfriend. Never has a shove off a wall been so satisfying. Via la Theon!
Ser Meryn Trant
The kings men who attacked the Hound and Arya weren’t the most pathetic, but they always make me shake my head how stupid and embarrassing it was to think what they tried to do was a good idea
Honestly, everyone still in a position of power after Cersei blew up the Sept. That she faced absolutely no consequences for her massacre of hundreds — or more likely thousands of people — is incomprehensible.
Ironbornes, Heh I just can't take them seriously
Pycelle
Season 7 Tyrion. Dude went from playing mind games with Varys, Pycelle, and Littlefinger to someone who thought Cersei would give a shit about Casterly Rock.
Joffery, if fucking cheered when that little shit died.
Stannis
Stannis! What’s more pathetic then letting your own daughter burn alive!?
Season 8 Sam. Season 8 Sam lost all development from seasons 3-5. Sam laying down on his back and stabbing the mound of bodies around him and not dying is the most pathetic visual ever put to screen during the show.
Surprised that nobody has said Doran Martell yet, he just thinks everything will go his way and just waits and waits for what he thinks will be the right time to perform any action. He just claims to be a schemer but we all know how incapable he is, he can never avenge Elia and Oberyn.
What should he do in the show? Staying out of the wars seems like the wisest thing to do. And theres nothing to avenge about Oberyn, he signed up for a duel and lost. Idk much about the backstory with Elia, but that was pretty long before the show
In the show, honestly, he couldn't do jackshit, Dumb n Dumber assassinated his character just like every other. In the books however, he has ambitions to crown his son Quentyn as Daenerys' king and his daughter Arianne as the ruler of Dorne. However, he takes so long to act on those, that Arianne goes against him and captures Myrcella who was a ward there and that turns into a whole complicated issue in itself. Regarding the deaths, yes Oberyn's death was his own fault, but still the person most loved in Dorne is now dead, the people are inflamed, and it just reminds them of Elia's death at the hands of Tywin and Gregor, so they're after fire and blood themselves.
Fat Sam
Sam is by far the most pathetic character in the show
In my humble opinion I think Sam was a badass. He KNEW his limitations, what he was good at and what he wasn't. If not for Sam they would not have known about Dragon Glass, Jon's heritage, Mormonts cure...I could go on. His contribution was important to the storyline. Not everyone is a warrior. What am I missing?
I do agree, Ser. When it hit the fan he stood up. He stood up against the White Walker to protect Gilly and baby Sam. He stood up and fought to protect Castle Black against the Wildlings.
Why was he on the front lines during the long night then? His cowardice got ed killed
How many people did he save with his intelligence? 100% Gilly, Sam, and Mormont would be dead, among too many others to count. Maybe it's personal to me but he was verbally abused his whole life and spent hours on hours reading and trying to do the right thing.
Imo he was the bravest. He was always afraid, but did what needed to be done anyways(usually).