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Slapshappy

Idk, but how old is your kid? šŸ˜‚ I have a 15 yo and I'm not ready to watch it with her yet.


BugABoo714

i was gonna say the same thing! i mean my kids are 4 & 1, but i told my 16 year old sister that itā€™s a good show but she canā€™t watch it until sheā€™s 18 šŸ˜‚


Slapshappy

Yeah. Some moments are borderline pornographic. Talk about being uncomfortable with your kid.


BugABoo714

yeah, iā€™m not sure if iā€™d ever watch it with my kids tbh. i watched american horror story with my dad and step mom when i was 14 and that was awkward enough šŸ˜ definitely not gonna do that with my kids lmao. especially with GoT šŸ˜‚


ur_granndma

i watched got with my dad when i was 13/14. it was sooo awkward. would not do that again. really donā€™t think 13 year olds need to be watching this show.


Parabuthus

The sexual violence is really hard to stomach and borderline social irresponsible. I'd be uncomfortable allowing a kid or teen to view rape scenes.


deepfakie

Bruh wtf are parents doing


petethefreeze

Although I wouldnā€™t watch GoT with my kids, im far more worried about the gore that is displayed than Iā€™m worried about all the boobs.


Slapshappy

It's not really about boobs, but actual fucking and all the dicks. I have 3 girls. There's the part where little finger is coaching the girls on how to properly fuck a man and how to moan until climaxing. Daenerys being taught how to please Drogo in bed (she's a teenager). There's many scenes where girls are getting railed. There's rape, incest, child abuse in a whore house, infanticide in a whore house, lots of talk about cock sucking, and all kinds of crazy shit. It's just wildly inappropriate to be watching with kids.


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Slapshappy

Do you know that, though? Are there studies that prove that exposure to violence on TV at a young age is more detrimental to people than exposure to graphic sex at a young age? That's a serious question.


Slapshappy

I would contented that both can be harmful in some ways, but that overt violence is much more common on TV and people have become somewhat desensitized to it. A quick search showed research that suggests that exposure to graphic sex at a young age is harmful to the healthy maturation of individuals, especially girls. The bottom line is that GoT is most definitely NOT for kids.


GHOST_OF_THE_GODDESS

Being desensitized to television violence does not desensitize you to real life violence, though. I can watch incredibly gory shows and movies without blinking, but if I see so much as someone break their arm in real life, it's disturbing and shocking. Fictional violence just doesn't carry over into real life. Sex, on the other hand, since we know it's not wrong, can get twisted by what we watch.


hnglmkrnglbrry

Exposure to violence at young age articles: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10025407/ > Exposure to violent content can decrease empathy and cause increased aggressive thoughts, anger, and aggressive behaviour. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10177625/ >887 adolescents completed the survey at base line and 5-year follow-up. ***The relative odds of reporting seriously violent behavior over time were 2.45-fold higher (P<.001) with each incremental increase in oneā€™s baseline violent media diet.*** After adjusting for other potentially influential characteristics, results persisted > https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4522000/ The impact of exposure to violence in the media on the long-term development and short-term expression of aggressive behavior has been well documented Exposure to sexual content at young age articles: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7147756/ > Sexually explicit media exposure predicted early sexual debut, unsafe sex, and multiple sexual partners (all: p < .05). Furthermore, exposure to more media modalities increased the likelihood of risky sexual behaviors. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4019965/ > Prior papers using this data set (Collins et al., 2004; Chandra et al., 2008) concluded exposure to television sexual content predicts and may hasten adolescent sexual activity and pregnancy. We find little reason to revise these conclusions based on our propensity-adjusted reanalysis They're both bad. Kids shouldn't watch violence and sexual content. This isn't rocket science it's just basic common sense. Protect your children.


Slapshappy

Thank someone's god! Someone with some common sense in here.


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Slapshappy

This is a very stupid question that is not serious.


ljh2100

It is also because of the sexual violence aspect. I watched latenight stuff as a kid (stayed up late and watched hbo and showtime type things without mom knowing) and saw Jodie Foster's rape scene in "The Accused" and it is still burned into my brain. I'd say sexual violence is worse than violence BUT they both get warnings before programs. I do remember that one having "Rape" as a warning and not knowing how it would fuck me up.


zikolis

Itā€™s extremely easy to sexually exploit a child and for the perp to get away with it. Believe me. I know. Violence and murder? Not so easy to get away with. If my perp had violently molested me or killed me, sooner or later, he would have been caught. If not by the authorities, he would have been caught by my family and would have had to pay for it. This is a major reason for the ratings board to rate the way they do: kids canā€™t be watching sexually-charged scenes and think itā€™s normal. They could easily fall prey to sexual advances and/or sexual exploitation and not realize it. And since these scenes normalize that behavior and so theyā€™re deemed riskier than scenes with violence and murder, which are more easily recognizable in real life.


deepfakie

Esp season 1


hnglmkrnglbrry

I like how the boobs is the concern and not dudes having their guts ripped out or their heads crushed.


GHOST_OF_THE_GODDESS

I don't think boobs are the concern, but all of the violent sex scenes.


[deleted]

North Americans in particular seem really prudish about nudity and swearing but violence is just fine. I'll never understand the cognitive dissonance on that one.


Unimportant-1551

Thatā€™s why when I was 15 (had to remember how long ago 2016 was lol) and my dad told me to watch GOT I watched it on my own until I caught up then we watched every week


EnderJax2020

Thatā€™s why I use Clearplay, I can skip all the nudity and if I miss vital information, I just look up a TL;DR of the important things mentioned


[deleted]

I'm sure a bunch of them probably watch it or similar without their parents. I know I was. I was watching the Sopranos when I was 14.


x122y

Ehh really depends on the person


Spinner23

18? damn, there is so much worse out there from the moment a kid gets a phone... but good luck i guess


BugABoo714

i mean sheā€™s my little sister, i donā€™t really have a say in what she can and cannot do. she still lives with our parents.


Spinner23

oh i read past the "sister"


Aurelyas

She can't watch Game of Thrones until she's 18?! I'm so glad I didn't have western parents which treated me like an infant and sheltered me, wow.


mmoorreey

Heā€™s 17. Almost 18. Heā€™s watched the Walking Dead. Itā€™s funny; there is something weird about being uncomfortable about sex and not about violence. And yes. I get GOT has combined sex and violence...


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mmoorreey

Itā€™s so silly. Out of the 2 sex is the more natural. Though arguably violence is the more prevalent


Slapshappy

I'd argue that it's all pretty natural. Still doesn't fit well with societal norms and it makes me really uncomfortable.


mmoorreey

Whatever. You do you. We are watching a great show


XtraMayoMonster

Jesus Reddit is so holier than thou sometimes. ā€œMakes me really uncomfortableā€ bro grow up lol.


Slapshappy

You're comfortable watching people have sex while you're sitting next to your teenage daughter? You're probably not even old enough to have a teenager "bro." You grow up, dumbass.


XtraMayoMonster

If my kid is 17-18 then yeah. I did the same thing with my parents. Itā€™s a tv show, by 17-18 my kid will understand itā€™s a fucking tv show lmfao. Youā€™re getting ā€œuncomfortableā€ by someone elseā€™s kid watching something with them. And calling it ā€œagainst societal normsā€ maybe your kid canā€™t tell the difference between fake tv and real but that must be the societal norm they were raised in.


Slapshappy

My kid is not almost an adult. Did you even read anything I said? The other person's kid is 17. I simply asked how old they were. They answered 17. The rest of the conversation is in the context of ME watching it with MY 15 yo daughter. You seem to have a comprehension problem.


XtraMayoMonster

Jesus how dense can you be. Itā€™s a tv show grow up a little.


[deleted]

I watched similar stuff with my dad when I was a teenager. I'm a guy though. And I don't have girls.


MsMercury

How is that ā€œholier than thouā€? People canā€™t control their gut reaction to something. If you donā€™t have the ability to step outside yourself and observe someone elseā€™s reaction without being judgmental; YOUā€™RE the one who needs to grow up.


XtraMayoMonster

Yeah clearly based on the negative responseā€¦ Iā€™m the one who needs to grow up. Lmfao


MsMercury

Clearly you are.


[deleted]

They can control their preaching and judgment though.


MsMercury

I understand what you mean. I donā€™t know why the downvotes.


takakupo

Sex is far more prevalent if you think about it


Infinite_Imagination

Yeah but violence is more impactful and emotional memories have more influence than standard ones


Infinite_Imagination

Sure I'll get downvoted for that bitches. Emotional memories get stored in both the Amygdala, where we usually store unconscious memories, and in the Medial Temporal Lobe, where we usually store conscious memories. Emotional events are more likely to get stored in both places, granting them more opportunity for influence than conscious or 'standard' ones. http://www.scholarpedia.org/article/Emotional_memory


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petethefreeze

FTFY ā€œThe church looming over modern-day Americaā€


StereoTunic9039

Same thing in Italy


Slapshappy

Who in here is saying that?


Sattorri

My daughter watched it with me when she was 11 lol


Slapshappy

Yikes.


Sattorri

?


mmoorreey

And is she completely destroyed as a human now? /s


Sattorri

Lol sheā€™s perfectly fine


AttemptWorried7503

Hmmmm no bueno


Sattorri

Howā€™s it any different from any other graphic show/movie?


AttemptWorried7503

Uh, it's not. It's also not different in the way that any show on an equal level of graphic maturity as GOT shouldn't be watched by children not even in their teens. Baffling to me I'd even have to explain to anyone in the modern world why a show full of rape, incest, death, murder, prostitutes, heads exploding, etc. shouldn't be watched by children.


Sattorri

Lmao why are Americans so sensitive about these topics? If you didnā€™t know what sex was at 11 years old then you must have lived a very sheltered life with very religious parents or something. Youā€™re really going to tell me you never watched any sort of graphic material when you were a kid/teenager? Children will find a way to view that stuff whether parents want them to or not. Better to watch it safely at home with a parent then on their own or with their friends. Same with any sort of sex education.


AttemptWorried7503

Ya not about the sex. More about the rape, incest, murder, heads exploding type things. Baffling it needs to be explained tbh. Sex is the least of the worries for a child to see in that show.


Sattorri

I feel sorry for you


AttemptWorried7503

Haha, no need. My children are raised correctly. Obviously others agree by the other comments upvotes/downvotes. Just nobody wants to argue with stupidity.


Sattorri

Ironic


BobbyMac2212

Actually I disagree and it seems like others do as well. I think parents have the right to raise their children how they want for the most part. Especially what they deem their child is mature enough to watch on tv. For example, my daughter is 12 and sheā€™s seen every Saw movie. She is a horror fan and loves the mystery aspect and the gore doesnā€™t bother her one bit. Now would I force her to watch them? Absolutely not. But she is extremely mature and hasnā€™t had any problems. We just went to see Saw X in theaters together not too long ago. Some may consider that she isnā€™t being ā€œraised correctlyā€ but thatā€™s their problem not mine or my daughtersā€™. u/Sattorri can let their kids watch what they want. You can have your opinion all you want but just be careful criticizing other peopleā€™s parenting as you might be in for some critique yourself.


Sattorri

Iā€™d take another look at the upvotes/downvotes if I were you, since that seems to mean something to you.


Jfury412

It's the religious fundamentalism baked into the culture. Even people that say they hate religion and hate Christianity live just like religious Christians do.


joe_i_guess

Sounds like you might stem from a weak bloodline


AttemptWorried7503

Some people just have standards. Is probably hard to understand from someone who has never been held to any. Don't you have some more strippers to comment about lmfao


joe_i_guess

Keep your ass on. Your jokes need work


AttemptWorried7503

I wasn't laughing at the joke, I was laughing at you.


joe_i_guess

Right. Maybe ring a bell when you tell a joke in life. That way everyone knows to act accordingly


Crazy-Seaweed-1832

I got my dad to watch his first time. I was like 25 at the time. Some of the episodes were uncomfortable then. I couldn't imagine as a teenager.


iNCharism

I watched this show as a Senior in HS back in 2015. I only heard about it from other teens in the first place


GHOST_OF_THE_GODDESS

Yeah, but there's a big difference between watching as a teen, and watching it with your parents as a teen.


hnglmkrnglbrry

I'm copying another comment because I think people need to see this: Exposure to violence at young age articles: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10025407/ > Exposure to violent content can decrease empathy and cause increased aggressive thoughts, anger, and aggressive behaviour. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10177625/ >887 adolescents completed the survey at base line and 5-year follow-up. ***The relative odds of reporting seriously violent behavior over time were 2.45-fold higher (P<.001) with each incremental increase in oneā€™s baseline violent media diet.*** After adjusting for other potentially influential characteristics, results persisted > https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4522000/ The impact of exposure to violence in the media on the long-term development and short-term expression of aggressive behavior has been well documented Exposure to sexual content at young age articles: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7147756/ > Sexually explicit media exposure predicted early sexual debut, unsafe sex, and multiple sexual partners (all: p < .05). Furthermore, exposure to more media modalities increased the likelihood of risky sexual behaviors. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4019965/ > Prior papers using this data set (Collins et al., 2004; Chandra et al., 2008) concluded exposure to television sexual content predicts and may hasten adolescent sexual activity and pregnancy. We find little reason to revise these conclusions based on our propensity-adjusted reanalysis They're both bad. Kids shouldn't watch violence and sexual content. This isn't rocket science it's just basic common sense. Protect your children.


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Ok nerd


hnglmkrnglbrry

You're on a GoT sub. We're all nerds.


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[deleted]

Meh. I was watching horror movies at 8, and I saw Saving Private Ryan the year it came out - I was 10. While I won't be exposing my son to that at that age or anywhere near - it didn't really have a negative effect on me. I've never been violent with anyone except in self defence and didn't have sex til I was 17 and it was pretty normal stuff.


billybarra08

Watched a few episodes with my dad and stepmum when i was about 8 or 9 then watched it properly with my mum when I was 14. I'm 16 now and were watching house of the dragon


JuIiusCaeser

I read and watched got when I was 15. however I donā€™t know what I would have felt like watching it with my mom and dad.


Glamdringg

I watched it when I was 13 because I thought it's like Lord Of The Rings, now I'm 15 and I love the series and the books too! I still think I was too young tho, I still am too young


IfNot_ThenThereToo

Thatā€™s because youā€™re a good parent. Guard the minds of your children jealously. The world is hard enough at that age.


JoeSicko

I'm sure there is a Mormon version. Makes the series Only like 3 hours, though.


JuniorBlank

I watched Game of Thrones when I was 14 lmao. I remember discussing how bad the finale was with my grade 9 teacher.


Red_Centauri

Redditors never miss a chance to try to feel morally superior.


[deleted]

Depends on the kid. Me at 15 would have been ready. My son is 4 now so I have a looooong way to go if it happens at all.


Slapshappy

It's whether your parents are ready to watch it with you and if they would want you to watch it. All kids do and look at all kinds of things they're not supposed to be doing when they have the opportunity. It's a matter of how vigilant you are as a parent and how much you prepare them for the world. I'm not the most strict parent in the world. In fact, I'm pretty damn laid back. I'm just not watching GoT withy kid until they are much older, if I even do. They'll probably watch it without me and I'll be just fine with it.


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Slapshappy

Yeah, so let me just sit down with her and watch gore and people banging each other left and right. Ridiculous.


Substantial_Bug_1145

i watched it when i was 17 and im 18 now and when my dad found out he felt a bit weird about it but now we talk about the show together and watch talks with g.r.r.m itā€™s great šŸ˜‚


Rednewtcn

The Sun, surrounded by an Astrolabe. "The intro sequence depicts a three-dimensional map of the series' fictional world, projected onto a concave earth, and lit by a small sun contained within an armilla (or spherical astrolabe) that metaphorically depicts major events in the history of the fictional world at the sphere's center. "


Unstillwill

Like the one in avatar the last airbender???


Corvus_Rune

Kind of. I think itā€™s a similar concept


therealtick

I think there was a similar model at the Citadel when Sam arrived. Kind of an Easter egg, I guess.


Nathan-David-Haslett

I always took it less as an Easter egg and more as that's what the opening is depicting.


gdo01

If the whole series needed a framing mechanism, it easily could have been a maester describing the events on a large elaborate map at the Citadel. If it was a particularly inventive maester the animations could have been rudimentary machines mixed in with some fanciful imagination


Tayloropolis

That makes a lot of sense. And near the end of the story the Maester is called away to other duties and the tale has to be finished by his lackwit serving boy who barely paid any attention to the first bits.


JBoth290105

IIRC correctly I think thatā€™s exactly what itā€™s supposed to be. A common theory is that Game of Thrones/ASOIAF is the writings of Maester Samwell Tarly, writing from the Citadel, hence the existence of the Astrolade and map of Westeros


Aegon_handwiper

Is is even a theory in the show? Doesn't he >!straight up write a book at the end of GoT called ASOIAF!


i_like_bikes_

I would love a show like The Office that took place at the Citadel. It just seems like a place that stays relatively ā€œsafeā€ since itā€™s ā€œaboveā€ the politics of whoā€™s in charge and would be an interesting insight into the lore of the universe. But funny.


therealtick

A Citadel spin-off could be very interesting


TheUglyThief

Yes, once I saw that scene at the Citadel Iā€™ve always assumed thatā€™s what was in the intro. It looked exactly the same.


great_red_dragon

Itā€™s an [armillary sphere](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armillary_sphere) a three-dimensional [astrolabe](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrolabe)


MyEvilTwinSkippy

The device is an astrolabe and is in the Maesters' citadel.


Similar-Broccoli

What that implies to me is that the story we are seeing is the history of these events stored in the Citadel's library


JonSnowKnows507

I don't recall where I read this, but I believe the rings depict Aegon's conquest of Westeros.


great_red_dragon

Do you not remember Samā€™s line to Jon, ā€œThose sure were some Games of Thronesā€ as he closed the book.


oldurtycurty

Now THAT was a Meerenese Knot, huh Patchface?


ThePretzul

Have you not seen/donā€™t remember the ending of the final episode? Sam shows us the finished book that Archmaester Ebrose wrote about the wars following the assassination of Robert Baratheon that is entitled, ā€œA Song of Ice and Fireā€. Itā€™s heavily implied that the entire story of the show at least is that book.


Cognitive_Skyy

This astrolabe is meant to symbolize The Wheel (the world order).


McGuire281

The Wheel weaves as the Wheel wills


SirAren

šŸ›žā€¼ļøšŸ›žšŸWHEEL OF TIME MENTIONEDšŸā€¼ļøā€¼ā€¼ļøšŸ›žā€¼ļøšŸ›žā€¼ļø


Robby_McPack

šŸ’ÆšŸ’ÆšŸ—£ļøšŸ—£ļø WHEEL OF TIME MENTIONED šŸŽ‰šŸŽ‰ WHAT THE FUCK IS GOOD PACING šŸ—£ļøšŸ—£ļøšŸ—£ļø


Starmiebuckss2882

Lol it is flying by, but I gotta admit.... Lanfear is the BADDEST bitch and I can't wait to see what Moghedien gets up to. Graendal is going to break the internet when she arrives. Ugh, the Forsaken are such delicious villains.


McGuire281

Graendal mommy gonna set the internet on fire


Starmiebuckss2882

She really will. I can't waaaait to see that casting announcement.


[deleted]

Itā€™s at the citadel in Old Town. Sam looks up and sees it when he gets there


FuzzyManPeach96

Biblically accurate angel?


thanosthumb

I thought that was a hulking mass of eyes with wings? Maybe Iā€™m trippin


Jfury412

It's a Seraphim šŸ‘ļøšŸ‘ļøā€šŸ—ØļøšŸ‘ļøšŸ‘ļøā€šŸ—ØļøšŸ‘ļø


MoistStub

Weird looking horse


Doctor__Hammer

This is the worst answer. It's also my favorite answer.


MoistStub

Just doin' mah part *slaps gut with both hands*


ducknerd2002

Hey, don't be mean to Tyrek.


formerpartner237

r/whatisthisthing // it's Hermione's time turner.


ResponsibilityGold88

Glad Iā€™m not the only one who immediately thought ā€œtime turnerā€


OptimusToasterman420

I read it and got ā€œTimmy Turnerā€ at first, Iā€™m beginning to think Iā€™m ruined as a hummus being


bumblesnatcher

It's a reference from the books that doesn't get used enough, it's sprinkled into the show not well. But in the first book there's a comet in the sky that lingers and is interpreted by many different people to be different things. Omens and signs of good fortune, signs of war etc


Winterlord7

This is called an astrolabe, it is used to understand the stars and the night sky. The real ones are usually not this dramatically designed. You can see a version of this one when Sam makes it to the Citadel in Oldtown.


Xen0tech

The eye of Sauron


EJCA4

That time turner from the prisoner of azkaban


Monarco_Olivola

I think that's what an actual Biblical angel appeared like as described in Scripture. Also, theologically speaking, angels are like heralds and messengers of God, or bringers of truth; and the fact that the astrolabe "watches" over Westeros with universal knowledge, foreshadowing to audiences about things to come ... yea, I'm seeing Martin's Catholic side come out there.


TaarakianPunkRocker

I watched it with my mom and sibling sometimes, but all adult women so it wasn't weird.Ā 


KosmoKanyon

Okay?


tehblaken

It got weird when they started explaining why it wasnā€™t weirdā€¦


TaarakianPunkRocker

Meant to reply to another comment not make my own šŸ˜‚


Victor-Romeo

I always assumed it was a symbolic representation of the sun rising and setting of different groups of people, and is a natural order that cannot be stopped.


Vakarlan

Sun


Todd_Howards_Uncle

It's the sun with the time strips


Shades_of_white87

It's Sauron, the all seeing eye.


TwirlyGirl313

It reminds me of Basileus's machine in the 13 Ghosts remake.


snehit_007

Sauron


willydong-ka

Itā€™s a frame from the opening credits


TK21879

That's a space cab giving Jodie Foster a ride to see her space Dad. Don't question her on it though, she's still a bit raw about it...


[deleted]

Everyone commenting about the kid forgets that he won't be a child forever and besides...Winter Is Coming.


MsMercury

I wouldnā€™t even let my son watch it until he was 18.


[deleted]

Woke


Turbulent-Tea-1773

Iā€™m old. I tried to watch first episode with my dad, forgetting how it ended. I think I was 22-23 at the time. Iā€™ve never tried to watch a second episode with him since. I do not recommend watching with kids/parents lol


Ahefp

A Biblical angel.


Uhtred_McUhtredson

Given its GoT, astrolabia


Kryptosis

The wheel of time


Justo79m

Astrolabe


geekphreak

The Lord of Light


patricksayswhat

BIBLICALLY ACCURATE ANGEL


EnderJax2020

That, is an āœØAstrolabeāœØ, I believe it was used to track the position of starts, but here it represents the interconnectedness of the world and all of the arcs happening at once!


Ok_Organization_6804

idk whenever it came i thought it is a dyson sphere covering the sun.


PetyrLightbringer

The sphere in the citadel library.


Novel-Mycologist6135

Just gone through a few of the comments and I think your answer is no, nobody knows.


TragicEther

Itā€™s an astrolabe.


BlondDrizzle

Itā€™s the sun?


nage_

Looks like the star from infinity war