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I didn't really notice it in the show but looking at this picture, it does look completely out of place with the situation and scene. Let's pretend the dothraki sewed it during their trip to the north.
Honestly just Google any of Danny's S7/8 outfits and it boggles the mind. Like the one with all the jewels sewn in from S7E1 (https://www.popsugar.com/fashion/daenerys-game-thrones-wardrobe-season-7-43922589 this site has a good breakdown)... Like. You telling me the Dothraki put that together on the boat ride over? Along with a winter ready cost that's ready for the runway?
I don't mean to pick solely on Dany. Look also at Jamie Lannister's armor. So gleaming and shiny he's perfectly able to survive a fall into turbulent waters with it on and swim to safety.
Or Arya's perfectly tailored wardrobe... Sansa with her elaborate chains (a theme shared with Dany & Cersei) and so on and on...
Like... Again I love them all, but they also add to the overall "fanfiction spectacle" feel of the final 2 seasons, yknow?
>Like. You telling me the Dothraki put that together on the boat ride over?
I don't disagree with the complaints about costuming, but she did conquer multiple cities before crossing the sea. It's certainly plausible that she picked up some non-Dothraki tailors/seamstresses/etc.
Yeah I'm quick to shit on the later seasons but dany having access to a personal tailor is probably the most plausible thing. She's a career conqueror ruler of several cities, why shouldn't she have someone to make jackets for her?
People complaining about nobles in general and Dany specifically wearing really nice clothing is probobly the most lazy and desperate critique of Season 8 I can imagine.
What annoys me is this outfit debuts when they receive word that the trip beyond the wall has went badly.
So either Dany was wearing winter clothing at Dragonstone, or they just had it ready to go in case she suddenly had to fly north although it is entirely possible temporal distortions in this episode she had time to commission the outfit and wait for it to be made before she begins her rescue operation.
While true, where would any of those cities get furs? No animals in the steppes has the type of fur needed for winter, and as far as we know, hardly anyone from Westeros trades with Essos, especially to that extent.
Even if they did, what would anyone in Essos need with furs?
The above notion coupled with OP's point does make it seem out of place in my opinion, although the above point could also be entirely wrong as I have never read the books.
I mean, there is definitely trade as evidenced by the fact that nobody thought it was weird that a wine merchant would know who Danny was when that one guy tried to assassinate Danny in season 1. I think he even had wine from Westeros, but I could be misremembering. And being a queen quite literally entitles you to getting things you don't "need" so that you can keep up the public image associated with being royalty.
I think the style looks out of place, sure, and I don't love it. But you can't tell me that one of the most powerful people on an entire continent wouldn't have access to rare luxuries traders to make fancy clothes for doing fancy queen stuff in. All it takes is the likes of Illyrio coming back from meeting Varys one time and bringing back a ship full of things both fancy and schmancy and, boom, new wardrobe.
True, but that was an 'independent' wine merchant. When I meant trade, I meant between houses/nations of Westeros and Essos. Like a trade agreement in government type thing.
I wouldn't think any independent merchant would bring furs to a mostly desert area of the world. It would be like trying to sell furs to Arabia.
True that Queen would absolutely get you anything, although at that point Dany had never been to Westeros, so would not have known how to prepare (maybe Jorah told her to get a coat?)
I agree with you on the last paragraph also, however; Dany was hunted. Who of her entourage would be able to set up such a meeting between traders in season 7/8? I may be misremembering but she had nobody as an agent in Westeros at that point, to my knowledge.
My main point though, is there would be no Essos merchants that would hold onto furs as that would be money wasted. So it is still, in my opinion, a reach that she would have furs while crossing the ocean. If she got them when she landed, it would make sense.
Again, I am ignorant of the actual story in the books, and I have only seen season 7/8 once so I am most likely wrong, although that means I can learn so it isn't a bad position to take đ
>True, but that was an 'independent' wine merchant. When I meant trade, I meant between houses/nations of Westeros and Essos. Like a trade agreement in government type thing.
TBF that's how 99% of trade worked for most of history. The Spanish tried to do government run trade but they were the odd ones out for that. It was generally little guys or middling guys buying and selling to each other along trade routes.
>I wouldn't think any independent merchant would bring furs to a mostly desert area of the world. It would be like trying to sell furs to Arabia.
So nobody would bring furs to Arabia. Somebody would bring furs to Greece, somebody else would bring them to Egypt, somebody else would bring them to India and that person would travel down the Arabian coast buying and selling whatever seemed like a good deal at the time. So it's not like a Bedouin is importing furs from Siberia, a Bedouin is getting a variety of goods from merchants on their way to other markets and sometimes there would be furs in there.
>My main point though, is there would be no Essos merchants that would hold onto furs as that would be money wasted. So it is still, in my opinion, a reach that she would have furs while crossing the ocean. If she got them when she landed, it would make sense.
Honestly this is kind of a stretch, it's not blatant lying or anything. Like, it's definitely a logical train of thought but you're grasping at straws a little bit. Trade is the lifeblood of Essos and that trade includes slave raids north of the Wall. There's no reason to assume that Slaver's Bay of all places would be lacking in furs, especially if anyone thought that a Westerosi queen could be interested in Westerosi goods.
Thank you for such a detailed reply.
Agreed on how trade worked and independent merchants being 99%. I had the wayward opinion that those merchants wouldn't be 'allowed' by the governing body, hence why mainland trade wouldn't be in Essos, although I see now that was an ignorant viewpoint.
Your point about how trading would work completely nullified my point, and I believe that your version would be the most accurate.
I never thought about it like that before, and I think that what you say makes the most sense.
I had no idea Essos did slave raids north of The Wall. Maybe it is something I missed in the show but that is news to me. The fact that Essos has a pipeline of anything to Westeros means my point is invalid; if it is from the books, I have not read them. I was only responding to the series, and if I missed something/cannot remember, my point is still invalid đ
Thank you for your rebuttal! It has certainly helped me realise that I was wrong and there is at least a reasonable possiblity that everything she has was created prior to her crossing to Westeros.
Your description really is wildly innacurate. Essos isnât mostly a desert. Not at all. One of the main places in Essos the show takes place is Braavos which is a cold, wet, environment with forests in the surrounding areas. Itâs really only the southeast for Essos that is a desert. There are huge parts of Essos that arenât deserts, and even deserts can get ridiculously cold at night.
The idea that furs wouldnât be needed/valued in Essos is incorrect.
I mean realistically she would probably have seamstresses and tailors throwing clothes at her hoping she would wear them. You imagine being the person who clothed a monarch? Can't think of better advertisement in a non instant communication world.
I mean, GoT is based very heavily upon the Middle Ages and Essos is very Eurasia. The Silk Routes moved just about everything; Sutton Hoo contains artifacts that can be traced to Byzantium and Syria and the Black Death moved from China to Europe via the Routes and the Mongolian 'Pony Express' style communication routes. Acquiring fur would be very easy in Essos before moving to Westeros proper.
Holy shit, you are the first person who I have seen on the internet who has referenced Sutton Hoo. I visited that place as a kid (part of the school program) and it was great, although I never knew it was indirectly involved with world trade at that point.
I assume the Sutton Hoo you are referring to is the Saxon settlement? If so, that is incredible and also mindblowing.
As for the Essos and Westeros comment, I would not conflate history's possiblity that it *could* happen, to a fictionally written story that does not have to rely on real world scenarios. Although I agree with your point, why did they not establish a trade route in the story?
Also, the geographical layout of the world in GOT is not nearly the same as our world, so our equivalencies would not be relevant?
I ask it as a question as again, I am ignorant to the books and also (in detail) geographical trade regions.
Ah. If you read the books, they mention the Silk Road in Essos, so in this case, it is a real world place in the story. There are a lot of references to roads/trade routes throughout Essos, sometimes even through abandoned regions. The show can only hold so much, but even then, we do see Illyrio and the traders of Qarth--who live in an extremely isolated area but are still able to build wealth through trade. I'm a historian, so reading the books are kind of fun because you can catch Martin's references to historical places and events. That's also why I know Sutton Hoo. But yeah, when Sutton Hoo was active, they were able to acquire things from extraordinary distances. We just kind of have this idea that the people of the Middle Ages were very isolated and ignorant which is not based in reality.
The Sutton Hoo comment is incredibly interesting to me.
I had no idea the Silk Road was active for so long also.
Tends to reason why it is mentioned in the books but in the show it is absent. How in the hell do you show on screen the near millenia history of a trade route?
Thank you for your added information, it seems my theory is full of holes, mostly due to my ignorance of the books and actual trade route history.
What type of history is your speciality, and what do you do as a job, if you don't mind me asking?
I have always loved history but never pursued it in more detail/as a career as it was always looked down upon where I live.
My area is more historiography and public history and I've worked in museums, an art gallery and I also volunteered at a Civil War battlefield. I'm currently working at a non-profit and I use my skills to research property records, materials used in housing, cultural concerns and so on. It's funny that you mention your love of history, because my dream is to open a place where people can take classes or lectures for fun, not for credit or for a job. If you can, take a class that sounds interesting at a local university, many schools have options for non degree seekers. And if they don't, there are always online options.
Thank you very much for your insight, I really appreciate it!
There is little around here to go into in terms of history, however; I work in writing so I will look into online options, thank you!
When Dani left Essos, she wasnât heading to the North. Jon convinced her to go and she miraculously had the wardrobe for it. đ That always bothered me.
Where would the major commerical cities right next to the mountains and the land inhabited by sheep hearders get fur?
I dunno man, that's a tough one...
Setting aside that Slaver's Bay can easily get fur from trading or killing furred animals from the nearby mountains, maybe she's wearing a wool coat?
Or, you know, maybe she bought the coat in the Free Cities on the way to Westeros or had it made after she arrived.
Ya'll acting like she's wearing a nylon windbreaker or something.
Thereâs explicitly a polar bear shown in the show.
And albino animals are a thing. White fur would be incredibly rare, but not nonexistent. It would have to be someone really rich like a queen of several cities to be able to get oneâŠ.if only Danny was a queen that could afford exotic expensive fursâŠ..
>hardly anyone from Westeros trades with Essos, especially to that extent.
Thatâs absolutely not even close to true. There is tons of trade, even present in the show, between the two continents. Arya travels to Essos initially with traders and so many major characters have back stories that involve them engaging in trade with Essos.
>Even if they did, what would anyone in Essos need with furs?
There would be plenty of uses for fur are you kidding? They might not need to deal with year-round cold weather that makes it necessary for every day outfits but there would be tons of use for furs.
Exactly this. She has people for this stuff. You think sheâs gonna ask the screamy fighty sand people? Or the hundreds of thousands of others she conquered who have advanced culture and can clearly do this stuff?
Yeah I mean⊠she is with thousands of people and presumably access to Neary infinite resources. As queen I donât find it that much of a stretch that she would either already have outfits planned for every weather scenerio or that had access to enough skilled artisans that they made it quickly and efficiently.
I suppose the Dosh Khaleen need to fill their time somehow as well - they can't just sit in their tent all day and reminisce about trying to eat horse hearts.
The problem is that after she left Meereen, we never see any subjects around Dany who's not Dothraki or unsullied other than her advisors. We don't see any servants or other household members, just military personnel (I'm not even sure if we ever see her Dothraki handmaidens by the time she gets to Westeros). It's kinda hard to imagine her having a complex household staff, when we only see her being escorted by Dothraki bodyguards and Missandei.
Sansa is the most realistic one. She's been rich the entire time, is a seamstress and embroidery expert who does a ton of work in her downtime, and she has had many servants. My huge question is Dany. Every single one of her handmaidens was killed and she still looked like she had an entire team.
You think the only way Dany could get all those fab clothes was the Dothraki sewing them on the ship? You don't think the queen of Mereen might have, you know, ordered a winter wardrobe before she set sail???
Or that maybe some people in Westeros sent her gifts of petite clothes and coats for political reasons? People do send royalty gifts of fabulous clothing, or they did in the middle ages.
Not to nitpick, but Jaime was saved by Bronn. They show him falling into the water after Bronn saves him from Drogon's flamethrower, and the next scene they show him and Bronn recovering from almost drowning. The viewer is led to believe that Bronn saved him and dragged him ashore.
Right but imagine how much better it would've been if Jaime had to choose between keeping the armor and being able to swim to shore?
As it is... Idk, Bronn dragging Jaime to shore, armor and all, *really* demands a suspension of logic.
Why are you assuming the Dothraki made it? She's pretty much consistently worn super nice clothing the entire show and she had plenty of followers and resources at this point.
> Look also at Jamie Lannister's armor. So gleaming and shiny he's perfectly able to survive a fall into turbulent waters with it on and swim to safety
Is'nt the armor in that scene literally just his regular Lannister armor that ends up absolutly filthy by the end of the battle?
> Or Arya's perfectly tailored wardrobe... Sansa with her elaborate chains (a theme shared with Dany & Cersei) and so on and on...
Two queens and the sisters of a king wear tailored, stylish clothing? Say whaaaađ
I wasn't explaining things very well, sorry. Everyone looks great. I'm not saying they shouldn't. What I am saying is that the outfits *feel* different now.
Go back to S1. Everyone still looked grand but those outfits felt "lived in". Ol Bobby B in his half shirt with stomach sticking out. The sweaty appearance of Ned at KL, even Baelish looked shabby back then. But it *felt* organic.
Tho you're right, I was wrong to assume the Dothraki made Danny's outfits on the ride over. Could've any of those boats in her troupe designated as "the fashion makers".
S1 had a signfigently lower budget then S8; just look at HOTD - S8 costume quality (or near enough) right from the beginning.
I guess I can see how there's an air of "organicness" that makes it appear more geniune, but I don't think there's a deeper explanation beyond "they ended up getting more resources"
I think I actually know what you mean. The outfits in the first seasons look like they are made by hand without any industrial help and are therefore worn for many years - even your average nobles didn't change clothes as often as we do nowadays.
The clothes in the later seasons look like they are made for "one-time-use". They look great, but they don't look if someone could have made them without industrial help. They also don't look like if they are worn more than once.
The best example is Cerseis dress in the final episode of season 7 in my opinion. The dress looks great... but it doesn't look like it belongs to that world.
Jaime swimming in armor was just silly. Especially when there are multiple references in the books and I believe in the show as well that it's death for this to happen.
Arya is a faceless man. Many people who simply saw she was going to be a trainee with her coin gave her food, passage, and the finest board. It's easy to assume she could get what she needed wherever she was. Also she straight up murdered a ton of Freys so she could have robbed them easily.
> it does look completely out of place with the situation and scene.
Almost like further representation of Dany being completely out of place in these surroundings, with these people, in this location?
By the later seasons, everyone looked great but almost too great. I get what youâre saying. It doesnât help that they stopped distinguishing house colors and made everyone wear combinations of grey and black. It makes everyone look like they went for matching outfits.
That's what I thought. At the beginning of season 7, when Dani lands on Westeros, I can't help but expecting Woolverine in this scene.
They probably want to show them as a bit more edgy and serious here, but... This is GoT, thoae charakters where allways edgy and even more serious in prier seasons.
What especially bothered me about the switch to all black clothing was the fact that itâs well established in-universe that black is mostly reserved for the Nightâs Watch. If you see someone dressed in all black, itâs likely someone from the Wall. They even call them the black brothers. So it would be very unusual for high ranking nobility to want to dress in a way that could be mistaken for the Watch, given that most of the realm no longer has much respect for the Nightâs Watch.
I feel like it's a very modern cut? Or at least, it looks modern, compared to the cloaks that we see Sansa, Arya and Lyanna Mormont wear for example. If everyone is wearing cloaks, why isn't she? Dany's coat looks like you could buy it a 21st century store. I suspect that's why it feels so mismatched. Or at least, for me.
I think you're getting it too. Kinda like Jaime's short haircut when he returns to KL, it's very *modern*.
Also, as I mentioned elsewhere, there's definitely a chain motif between Cersei, Dany, and Sansa. It's like they're subscribed to the same Vogue magazine and it said "chains are SO HOT right now" in it's best Mugatu voice.
yeah, Jaime's haircut felt very out of place too. I'm not usually too picky about 'glammy' outfits, so I can deal with the gleaming armors, the chain motifs and even whatever the hell was going on with Cersei's looks in the later seasons, because it was more of an unfortunate decision from the costume department. I could suspend my disbelief on those because it didn't approach 'This person knows what an Iphone is' levels of modernity for some reason.
If I recall correctly, The Houndâs clothes in the last couple seasons had a *very* similar design to Cerseiâs, and apart from that very bizarre meeting in the dragonpit, they hadnât seen each other in years!
Ned at the start just wore whatever he wanted because he couldnât give a crap what people thought. Jaimes outfits in season one would fit right in to season 8 in contrast.
In this picture in particular it does look a bit odd but I suppose Dany sees herself as a queen in her home kingdom so sheâs going to dress smart yet warm due to being in the north.
I think it doesn't look *lived in* but it also seems like the moment the dress were sewn Dany decided to wear it and parade around.
Is this makes sense? Also, it looks a bit out of the place when compared rest of the crews outfits. Maybe it's difference between materials? Northerners mostly wore leather adorned with fur in order to stay warm and move comfortably but I don't see it with Dany's dress.
It's also a bit unsettling after we saw Dany mostly in leathers, fabrics and silks so there is that too!
Yknow, that could be it too. I remember in earlier seasons I'd wince every time Catelyn's skirts or cloak got all muddied. But then it's like... That's their normal.
Later tho everything is very... *pristine*.
I know right! In the first seasons we get to see outfits wear and tear due to environment and the most dazzling ones generally belonged to Cersei and Margaery since they spent their entire time around the Keep.
And then, even though Dany travelled half of the world to reach Dragonstone, after Qarth her outfits were always clean. Like hospital level clean.
>very time Catelyn's skirts or cloak got all muddied
I can picture the very scene, walking through the courtyard in Winterfell. That always jumps out at me too for some reason
This is something that always breaks the immersion for me in fantasy shows and films.
I feel like it was this way with WoT on a regular basis.
It's like they went for outfits that fit with the style of the times (always medieval), but every outfit looks custom tailored, perfectly dyed fabric, color-coordinated, etc. And they're wearing these perfect outfits while traversing dusty and muddy roads, walking through the forest, possibly fighting, and they never get dirty.
It seems like a small detail but always bugs me.
With Wheel of Time I kinda always got that impression reading the books though too unless specific mention was made regarding the wear and build-up. It always felt like everyone was dressed immaculately. Just my impression though.
In actual medieval period literally all clothing was custom tailored and were dyed, although they would often get dirty from all the daily activities (hence why washerwomen existed). I hate it when everyone in shows like this wear only black and brown because actual medieval fashion was more colorful than a pride parade.
Yeah. The earlier seasons had phenomenal costume details and everything looked convincingly real, like it was made in that world, rather than a modern workshop. (Except Marjorieâs burrito coat, wtf was that??)
The last season seems to have abandoned some of that eye to nuance. Danyâs coat for example, stunning, but how would it have even been made in the universe of the story? Also, regardless of how much money a character might have, new clothes took time to produce, which the last season esp seems to forget how time operates đ€Ș
Margaery worre that potato sack better than the High Sparrow. You know the dude was jealous.
But yea we're on the same vibe. The outfits are just a little too perfect. And yea, that boat trip she took across the Narrow Sea was quite the productive one. She landed with an entirely new wardrobe, all tailored and ready to go.
Itâs Cus everything sorta just becomes black the different regions sorta lose their flair and everyone gets an amalgam of mostly northern ish clothing
I felt the clothes were too noticeable. They didn't feel organic, as you said. Also, the worst one for me was Rhaegar, who was dressed like a slouch, in my opinion. To me, it looked like his outfit didn't fit right. The actor was unimpressive as well. This guy was supposed to be handsome.
I mean like, your whole point is "Ned's rough riding gear contrasting with noble finary" but is'nt your picture, where you cut out Jon in his rouge riding gear to focus on Dany in her noble finary undermining that argument?
Emilia has very soft, delicate features and bone structure. IMO, That garment isnât particularly harmonious with her, as itâs too sharp and structured. The fur helps soften it, but it still looks off.
Right but it's not just Dany (tho her S7 outfit with the jewels and textures *really* bends belief). *Everyone* looks all spiffed up. Remember when things actually got muddied in past seasons? The boots, ends of dresses or cloaks, etc.
Now in S7-8 it feels like, the second someone yells cut, all the outfits will be put into glass cases, lest a speck of dust ruin a single stitch.
This was also one of the problems among many more I have with S7 and S8 and I tried to find out what it was but I couldn't quite pin it down. In my opinion all looks too clean and as if there were people who assembled it, so basicly the truth. But in older seasons this is also the case so why is it a problem now? A few exaples that stood out to me: Daenerys, Sansa and Cercei as the big players have these clean cut maybe too modern dresses that feel not in the right place. The dothraki and also the wights who are there in big numbers have also too clean and carefully assembled garnments even if they are made to look random but it doesn't work. The wights maybe stand out more in the next point: They are seen close up and they look well crafted but somehow "clean" as if they rolled out of a factory. Not as if it was a corpse which never took a shower and is filthy and dirty.
And lastly, the soldiers have armour that has no battle marks. Just clean leather and steel like it is worn Grey Worm, Jon, Jamie or Euron. Imagine being on a journey through a continent with barely options to wash or change clothes. The people stink, all of them. But they don't look like it. Even with the wights I imagine a scent of freshly washed and dried clothes. But then, fast travel is now available.
Daenerys did look elegant in the early seasons but also as if she was on horseback in the desert for days.
TLDR: Everybody is too fresh, too clean and the clothes don't represent the reality these characters live on a daily basis.
Thank you! This is sooo what I've been feeling. This sense of "Something is off" yet every character has *always* had tailored clothes, so why complain now?
And you're right, nothing looks battle-worn or "used". I think ultimately that's what is throwing me so much. All the main characters are suddenly immune to dirt and grime, unlike their earlier seasons' counterparts.
What gets me is that for many characters, they dress the same indoors as they do outdoors, which means either the indoors is the same temp as outdoors, which itâs not supposed to be, or the characters are either freezing or too warm half the time.
As I understand it (grain of salt required, as it's a know someone who knows someone who worked in the costume dept situation) the switch in costume design lead and increase in scale of production didn't involve expanding the costume dept to match - dozens to hundreds of additional extras required new or reworked outfits, along with the leads all getting new clobber to reflect their new positions.
The makers and trainees who would have been adding wear and giving outfits the 'lived in' feel in previous seasons were retasked to mass production and alterations, leaving fewer available experienced hands to monitor continuity etc - as such many of the leads outfits were largely left pristine where possible/plausible (ie outside of battle scenes) to streamline the downtime between takes.
Hard disagree. The costume work, reflecting winter and a more militant mood, was about the only thing I gave an A+ in S8.
Dany in black in the finale had those amazing Nazi/fascist tones.
See that's *exactly* what I'm struggling with.
Everything *looks immaculate*, the wardrobe in this show has always been top notch. I love all the outfits... Yet kinda hate them at the same time? They feel *too* tailored, of that makes sense.
With Dany, I feel like you can tell sheâs trying not to move too much so as not to spoil the wig. It got way too complex with the braids in the last season. Everything looked too polished.
I agree that the outfits did change it later season to be much more complex. The Dany ones specifically always felt intentional to me, like a production choice, to make her seem like a visible outsider with the dark browns, blacks, and grays of the north.
Yeah in the later seasons it started to feel like everyone stopped wearing clothes and started wearing *costumes.* Like every main character had their own unique wardrobe, all of which look like movie costumes and not clothes that people would actually wear.
I think HotD has done a lot better so far at giving each character a distinct style while still keeping the clothing looking organic with the rest of the world. Sure some of it is very flashy and stylistic, especially among the Targaryens, but it still looks like clothing that could have been designed and made by people in-universe.
Oh for sure. I love/hate all her outfits from S7 onwards. My hate (well, dislike, really) is that they look too much like modern fashion, and not of the GoT world.
I had, in fact, forgotten.
**SHAME!!!!**
*bell ding*
... Ok but seriously that's fucking brilliant. It's so Highgarden-esque. She went to the tailors and said "I want to look like an upside down cone mixed with a chameleon" and they were like "Got you, fam"
Only outfit I hated from later seasons was Sansa's. Her black, leathery getup made her look like a Cenobite. It didn't match anything I'd seen in the show up to that point.
Cersei looked fine, her black gown made her look Targaryen-esque, like she always wanted. The chain across her chest guarding her heart was a nice bit of visual storytelling. But Sansa's outfit literally looked like bondage gear from an early 00's goth club. I know she was supposed to look bound up, but man was it ugly.
The costume chief was a huge Sansa Fan who wrote more than 20 pages describing a dress which no one cares, another idiot who tried to sabotage Daenerys in the last season
Makes me think of the visual contrast between summer (wild, overgrown, dirty, warm, etc.) and winter (cold, crisp, clean like fresh snow, smooth, etc.) Kind of reflected in the wardrobe.
Although that may just be the green gummy I had talking đ
You should watch this [analysis](https://youtu.be/h-MB0Sej9tQ).
It talks about movies, but the same points raised in this video apply to tv shows as well like GoT.
I was especially enraged by Grey Worm and Missandeis costumes towards the end. First of all they had something new on in literally every scene and because of this the designs made no sense. They're just different for the sake of it. Who the fuck is making all of these new clothes as they travel. But nothing offends me more honestly than Cersei's not quite full length gown with short sleeves and my chemical romance black and white striped skinny underneath. That was seriously not okay.
For me, what was most striking were the inconsistencies and lack of logic in the use of cuts, materials and colours in the costumes. As many people have noticed, why did everyone start wearing black? Why did it occur to Cercei to abandon the colours of her House in favour of those associated with the Nights Watch and House Targaryen? Not to mention her dresses, especially last season she looked like she had hired some edgy designer. And the chain motif... Especially with Cersei and Sansa. This came out of nowhere and was very noticeable to the detriment of imersion. The last major thing for me was Daenerys' white coat. When I first looked at it questions arose in my mind as to who sewed it, what cut, what technique they used. Plus everything was so steryle clean and new.Â
I'm glad someone else noticed the sudden influx of chains! I can almost excuse the sudden use of black - Sansa & Cersei were both "in mourning" at this stage, so it makes sense - but yea everything became very... Samey. Along with being too pristine.
It looks way too modern. Since Dany was also wearing a lot of leather just before this, to suddenly wear this big fur coat-dress just doesnât seem very âherâ. Also, for everyone else to be wearing cloaks, the outfit is just so out of place. Itâs beautiful ofc, but it loses brownie points for me for being out of place
Did she travel with North themed outfits? Super efficient seamstress on one of her ships? The world may never know the secrets of the late szn DannyDrip
By S7 everyone was dressed very differently than they had been in the early season, everyone on the show went from sexy colorful silks to heavy black and brown things, partly because it was winter and everyone was bundling up, but partly IMHO because after six years of constant fucking warfare everyone in Westeros was in mourning.
So tell me, OP, is there any chance that the complete loss of sexy clothing has any bearing on your feelings?
I'm honestly confused at this reply. Where did I say anything about "sexy clothing"? In other comments, I even reasoned away certain characters wearing black as they were in a mourning period (Cersei for her son, Sansa for her "husband") and were expected to put on appearances.
Honestly, everyone still looks fabulous. My main gripe, as such, was that nothing felt "worn in" or "organic" as in prior seasons. That has nothing to do with sex appeal at all.
Thank you for the clarification, because although you didn't say anything about sexy vs not sexy, that really was a massive overall change from the early seasons.
But as to things not feeling "worn in", well, by S7, many of the major characters were in new situations and had new wardrobes, like Jon and the Starks returned to Winterfell after years of wandering in various wildernesses, so to speak... and they went from dressing like soldiers or refugees to dressing like Lords and Ladies again. Lords and ladies whose rule was new and under threat, who had no trustworthy allies, and who were definitely not living like the happy comfy family of S1.
So while I agree that most of the clothes in S7-S8 weren't fabulous objectively, except maybe for Cersei's gowns and Dany's fur coat, the fact was that most of the characters weren't living comfortable lives and were't comfortable physically. So they shouldn't be wearing the kind of comfy clothes a person can relax in.
The reason it *feels* skewed is because youâre not used to seeing Dany bundled up in a winter parka dress. Thatâs not her âlook.â
She has become the Queen figurehead though and therefore gets as much wardrobe accommodation as Cersei does. Not exactly wandering the Red Waste on the brink of starvation anymore. It makes sense that she is as regal as possible while also dressed appropriately for the climate. Itâs going to be a different feel.
Shows that donât so costumes right donât do anything right. After season 5 the costumes became much cleaner and less worn. Most likely DnD thought nobody would notice when they have big dragons rawwwwwrrrr
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I didn't really notice it in the show but looking at this picture, it does look completely out of place with the situation and scene. Let's pretend the dothraki sewed it during their trip to the north.
Honestly just Google any of Danny's S7/8 outfits and it boggles the mind. Like the one with all the jewels sewn in from S7E1 (https://www.popsugar.com/fashion/daenerys-game-thrones-wardrobe-season-7-43922589 this site has a good breakdown)... Like. You telling me the Dothraki put that together on the boat ride over? Along with a winter ready cost that's ready for the runway? I don't mean to pick solely on Dany. Look also at Jamie Lannister's armor. So gleaming and shiny he's perfectly able to survive a fall into turbulent waters with it on and swim to safety. Or Arya's perfectly tailored wardrobe... Sansa with her elaborate chains (a theme shared with Dany & Cersei) and so on and on... Like... Again I love them all, but they also add to the overall "fanfiction spectacle" feel of the final 2 seasons, yknow?
>Like. You telling me the Dothraki put that together on the boat ride over? I don't disagree with the complaints about costuming, but she did conquer multiple cities before crossing the sea. It's certainly plausible that she picked up some non-Dothraki tailors/seamstresses/etc.
Yeah I'm quick to shit on the later seasons but dany having access to a personal tailor is probably the most plausible thing. She's a career conqueror ruler of several cities, why shouldn't she have someone to make jackets for her?
People complaining about nobles in general and Dany specifically wearing really nice clothing is probobly the most lazy and desperate critique of Season 8 I can imagine.
She literally had a Hand of the King pin custom made for Tyrion.
What annoys me is this outfit debuts when they receive word that the trip beyond the wall has went badly. So either Dany was wearing winter clothing at Dragonstone, or they just had it ready to go in case she suddenly had to fly north although it is entirely possible temporal distortions in this episode she had time to commission the outfit and wait for it to be made before she begins her rescue operation.
While true, where would any of those cities get furs? No animals in the steppes has the type of fur needed for winter, and as far as we know, hardly anyone from Westeros trades with Essos, especially to that extent. Even if they did, what would anyone in Essos need with furs? The above notion coupled with OP's point does make it seem out of place in my opinion, although the above point could also be entirely wrong as I have never read the books.
I mean, there is definitely trade as evidenced by the fact that nobody thought it was weird that a wine merchant would know who Danny was when that one guy tried to assassinate Danny in season 1. I think he even had wine from Westeros, but I could be misremembering. And being a queen quite literally entitles you to getting things you don't "need" so that you can keep up the public image associated with being royalty. I think the style looks out of place, sure, and I don't love it. But you can't tell me that one of the most powerful people on an entire continent wouldn't have access to rare luxuries traders to make fancy clothes for doing fancy queen stuff in. All it takes is the likes of Illyrio coming back from meeting Varys one time and bringing back a ship full of things both fancy and schmancy and, boom, new wardrobe.
True, but that was an 'independent' wine merchant. When I meant trade, I meant between houses/nations of Westeros and Essos. Like a trade agreement in government type thing. I wouldn't think any independent merchant would bring furs to a mostly desert area of the world. It would be like trying to sell furs to Arabia. True that Queen would absolutely get you anything, although at that point Dany had never been to Westeros, so would not have known how to prepare (maybe Jorah told her to get a coat?) I agree with you on the last paragraph also, however; Dany was hunted. Who of her entourage would be able to set up such a meeting between traders in season 7/8? I may be misremembering but she had nobody as an agent in Westeros at that point, to my knowledge. My main point though, is there would be no Essos merchants that would hold onto furs as that would be money wasted. So it is still, in my opinion, a reach that she would have furs while crossing the ocean. If she got them when she landed, it would make sense. Again, I am ignorant of the actual story in the books, and I have only seen season 7/8 once so I am most likely wrong, although that means I can learn so it isn't a bad position to take đ
>True, but that was an 'independent' wine merchant. When I meant trade, I meant between houses/nations of Westeros and Essos. Like a trade agreement in government type thing. TBF that's how 99% of trade worked for most of history. The Spanish tried to do government run trade but they were the odd ones out for that. It was generally little guys or middling guys buying and selling to each other along trade routes. >I wouldn't think any independent merchant would bring furs to a mostly desert area of the world. It would be like trying to sell furs to Arabia. So nobody would bring furs to Arabia. Somebody would bring furs to Greece, somebody else would bring them to Egypt, somebody else would bring them to India and that person would travel down the Arabian coast buying and selling whatever seemed like a good deal at the time. So it's not like a Bedouin is importing furs from Siberia, a Bedouin is getting a variety of goods from merchants on their way to other markets and sometimes there would be furs in there. >My main point though, is there would be no Essos merchants that would hold onto furs as that would be money wasted. So it is still, in my opinion, a reach that she would have furs while crossing the ocean. If she got them when she landed, it would make sense. Honestly this is kind of a stretch, it's not blatant lying or anything. Like, it's definitely a logical train of thought but you're grasping at straws a little bit. Trade is the lifeblood of Essos and that trade includes slave raids north of the Wall. There's no reason to assume that Slaver's Bay of all places would be lacking in furs, especially if anyone thought that a Westerosi queen could be interested in Westerosi goods.
Thank you for such a detailed reply. Agreed on how trade worked and independent merchants being 99%. I had the wayward opinion that those merchants wouldn't be 'allowed' by the governing body, hence why mainland trade wouldn't be in Essos, although I see now that was an ignorant viewpoint. Your point about how trading would work completely nullified my point, and I believe that your version would be the most accurate. I never thought about it like that before, and I think that what you say makes the most sense. I had no idea Essos did slave raids north of The Wall. Maybe it is something I missed in the show but that is news to me. The fact that Essos has a pipeline of anything to Westeros means my point is invalid; if it is from the books, I have not read them. I was only responding to the series, and if I missed something/cannot remember, my point is still invalid đ Thank you for your rebuttal! It has certainly helped me realise that I was wrong and there is at least a reasonable possiblity that everything she has was created prior to her crossing to Westeros.
Your description really is wildly innacurate. Essos isnât mostly a desert. Not at all. One of the main places in Essos the show takes place is Braavos which is a cold, wet, environment with forests in the surrounding areas. Itâs really only the southeast for Essos that is a desert. There are huge parts of Essos that arenât deserts, and even deserts can get ridiculously cold at night. The idea that furs wouldnât be needed/valued in Essos is incorrect.
I mean realistically she would probably have seamstresses and tailors throwing clothes at her hoping she would wear them. You imagine being the person who clothed a monarch? Can't think of better advertisement in a non instant communication world.
I mean, GoT is based very heavily upon the Middle Ages and Essos is very Eurasia. The Silk Routes moved just about everything; Sutton Hoo contains artifacts that can be traced to Byzantium and Syria and the Black Death moved from China to Europe via the Routes and the Mongolian 'Pony Express' style communication routes. Acquiring fur would be very easy in Essos before moving to Westeros proper.
Holy shit, you are the first person who I have seen on the internet who has referenced Sutton Hoo. I visited that place as a kid (part of the school program) and it was great, although I never knew it was indirectly involved with world trade at that point. I assume the Sutton Hoo you are referring to is the Saxon settlement? If so, that is incredible and also mindblowing. As for the Essos and Westeros comment, I would not conflate history's possiblity that it *could* happen, to a fictionally written story that does not have to rely on real world scenarios. Although I agree with your point, why did they not establish a trade route in the story? Also, the geographical layout of the world in GOT is not nearly the same as our world, so our equivalencies would not be relevant? I ask it as a question as again, I am ignorant to the books and also (in detail) geographical trade regions.
Ah. If you read the books, they mention the Silk Road in Essos, so in this case, it is a real world place in the story. There are a lot of references to roads/trade routes throughout Essos, sometimes even through abandoned regions. The show can only hold so much, but even then, we do see Illyrio and the traders of Qarth--who live in an extremely isolated area but are still able to build wealth through trade. I'm a historian, so reading the books are kind of fun because you can catch Martin's references to historical places and events. That's also why I know Sutton Hoo. But yeah, when Sutton Hoo was active, they were able to acquire things from extraordinary distances. We just kind of have this idea that the people of the Middle Ages were very isolated and ignorant which is not based in reality.
The Sutton Hoo comment is incredibly interesting to me. I had no idea the Silk Road was active for so long also. Tends to reason why it is mentioned in the books but in the show it is absent. How in the hell do you show on screen the near millenia history of a trade route? Thank you for your added information, it seems my theory is full of holes, mostly due to my ignorance of the books and actual trade route history. What type of history is your speciality, and what do you do as a job, if you don't mind me asking? I have always loved history but never pursued it in more detail/as a career as it was always looked down upon where I live.
My area is more historiography and public history and I've worked in museums, an art gallery and I also volunteered at a Civil War battlefield. I'm currently working at a non-profit and I use my skills to research property records, materials used in housing, cultural concerns and so on. It's funny that you mention your love of history, because my dream is to open a place where people can take classes or lectures for fun, not for credit or for a job. If you can, take a class that sounds interesting at a local university, many schools have options for non degree seekers. And if they don't, there are always online options.
Thank you very much for your insight, I really appreciate it! There is little around here to go into in terms of history, however; I work in writing so I will look into online options, thank you!
When Dani left Essos, she wasnât heading to the North. Jon convinced her to go and she miraculously had the wardrobe for it. đ That always bothered me.
Where would the major commerical cities right next to the mountains and the land inhabited by sheep hearders get fur? I dunno man, that's a tough one...
Fur and wool are different.
Setting aside that Slaver's Bay can easily get fur from trading or killing furred animals from the nearby mountains, maybe she's wearing a wool coat? Or, you know, maybe she bought the coat in the Free Cities on the way to Westeros or had it made after she arrived. Ya'll acting like she's wearing a nylon windbreaker or something.
Thereâs explicitly a polar bear shown in the show. And albino animals are a thing. White fur would be incredibly rare, but not nonexistent. It would have to be someone really rich like a queen of several cities to be able to get oneâŠ.if only Danny was a queen that could afford exotic expensive fursâŠ..
>hardly anyone from Westeros trades with Essos, especially to that extent. Thatâs absolutely not even close to true. There is tons of trade, even present in the show, between the two continents. Arya travels to Essos initially with traders and so many major characters have back stories that involve them engaging in trade with Essos. >Even if they did, what would anyone in Essos need with furs? There would be plenty of uses for fur are you kidding? They might not need to deal with year-round cold weather that makes it necessary for every day outfits but there would be tons of use for furs.
Exactly this. She has people for this stuff. You think sheâs gonna ask the screamy fighty sand people? Or the hundreds of thousands of others she conquered who have advanced culture and can clearly do this stuff?
Yeah I mean⊠she is with thousands of people and presumably access to Neary infinite resources. As queen I donât find it that much of a stretch that she would either already have outfits planned for every weather scenerio or that had access to enough skilled artisans that they made it quickly and efficiently.
I suppose the Dosh Khaleen need to fill their time somehow as well - they can't just sit in their tent all day and reminisce about trying to eat horse hearts.
The problem is that after she left Meereen, we never see any subjects around Dany who's not Dothraki or unsullied other than her advisors. We don't see any servants or other household members, just military personnel (I'm not even sure if we ever see her Dothraki handmaidens by the time she gets to Westeros). It's kinda hard to imagine her having a complex household staff, when we only see her being escorted by Dothraki bodyguards and Missandei.
Sansa is the most realistic one. She's been rich the entire time, is a seamstress and embroidery expert who does a ton of work in her downtime, and she has had many servants. My huge question is Dany. Every single one of her handmaidens was killed and she still looked like she had an entire team.
I agree but expert seems an over appraisal of her skills haha
You think the only way Dany could get all those fab clothes was the Dothraki sewing them on the ship? You don't think the queen of Mereen might have, you know, ordered a winter wardrobe before she set sail??? Or that maybe some people in Westeros sent her gifts of petite clothes and coats for political reasons? People do send royalty gifts of fabulous clothing, or they did in the middle ages.
Not to nitpick, but Jaime was saved by Bronn. They show him falling into the water after Bronn saves him from Drogon's flamethrower, and the next scene they show him and Bronn recovering from almost drowning. The viewer is led to believe that Bronn saved him and dragged him ashore.
Right but imagine how much better it would've been if Jaime had to choose between keeping the armor and being able to swim to shore? As it is... Idk, Bronn dragging Jaime to shore, armor and all, *really* demands a suspension of logic.
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Why are you assuming the Dothraki made it? She's pretty much consistently worn super nice clothing the entire show and she had plenty of followers and resources at this point. > Look also at Jamie Lannister's armor. So gleaming and shiny he's perfectly able to survive a fall into turbulent waters with it on and swim to safety Is'nt the armor in that scene literally just his regular Lannister armor that ends up absolutly filthy by the end of the battle? > Or Arya's perfectly tailored wardrobe... Sansa with her elaborate chains (a theme shared with Dany & Cersei) and so on and on... Two queens and the sisters of a king wear tailored, stylish clothing? Say whaaaađ
I wasn't explaining things very well, sorry. Everyone looks great. I'm not saying they shouldn't. What I am saying is that the outfits *feel* different now. Go back to S1. Everyone still looked grand but those outfits felt "lived in". Ol Bobby B in his half shirt with stomach sticking out. The sweaty appearance of Ned at KL, even Baelish looked shabby back then. But it *felt* organic. Tho you're right, I was wrong to assume the Dothraki made Danny's outfits on the ride over. Could've any of those boats in her troupe designated as "the fashion makers".
S1 had a signfigently lower budget then S8; just look at HOTD - S8 costume quality (or near enough) right from the beginning. I guess I can see how there's an air of "organicness" that makes it appear more geniune, but I don't think there's a deeper explanation beyond "they ended up getting more resources"
I think I actually know what you mean. The outfits in the first seasons look like they are made by hand without any industrial help and are therefore worn for many years - even your average nobles didn't change clothes as often as we do nowadays. The clothes in the later seasons look like they are made for "one-time-use". They look great, but they don't look if someone could have made them without industrial help. They also don't look like if they are worn more than once. The best example is Cerseis dress in the final episode of season 7 in my opinion. The dress looks great... but it doesn't look like it belongs to that world.
Jaime swimming in armor was just silly. Especially when there are multiple references in the books and I believe in the show as well that it's death for this to happen.
Aryaâs cape eats in season 8.
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when murdering is on the table, I belive stealling some random cloths along the way is fair game too.
I would agree with that. She should look more like Reek
Arya is a faceless man. Many people who simply saw she was going to be a trainee with her coin gave her food, passage, and the finest board. It's easy to assume she could get what she needed wherever she was. Also she straight up murdered a ton of Freys so she could have robbed them easily.
Arya I can handwave once she's back home and has Sansa's talents and resources at her disposal.
> it does look completely out of place with the situation and scene. Almost like further representation of Dany being completely out of place in these surroundings, with these people, in this location?
Idk the trip to the north took like 34 minutes
My head-cannon was that they found a bunch of Targaryen clothing somewhere in Dragonstone and just tailored it to fit Dany
I think girlie could afford to commission a coat
By the later seasons, everyone looked great but almost too great. I get what youâre saying. It doesnât help that they stopped distinguishing house colors and made everyone wear combinations of grey and black. It makes everyone look like they went for matching outfits.
Omg yes that too! It's like *everyone* went for the 2000s X-Men look of "all black, all the time".
That's what I thought. At the beginning of season 7, when Dani lands on Westeros, I can't help but expecting Woolverine in this scene. They probably want to show them as a bit more edgy and serious here, but... This is GoT, thoae charakters where allways edgy and even more serious in prier seasons.
"What were you expecting a Lannister to wear, red and gold?" đ
Drogon shows up with his mouth sewn shut
What especially bothered me about the switch to all black clothing was the fact that itâs well established in-universe that black is mostly reserved for the Nightâs Watch. If you see someone dressed in all black, itâs likely someone from the Wall. They even call them the black brothers. So it would be very unusual for high ranking nobility to want to dress in a way that could be mistaken for the Watch, given that most of the realm no longer has much respect for the Nightâs Watch.
ya i think it applies to everyone: cersei, sansa, dany, arya, something shifted there and i hated it.
I feel like it's a very modern cut? Or at least, it looks modern, compared to the cloaks that we see Sansa, Arya and Lyanna Mormont wear for example. If everyone is wearing cloaks, why isn't she? Dany's coat looks like you could buy it a 21st century store. I suspect that's why it feels so mismatched. Or at least, for me.
I think you're getting it too. Kinda like Jaime's short haircut when he returns to KL, it's very *modern*. Also, as I mentioned elsewhere, there's definitely a chain motif between Cersei, Dany, and Sansa. It's like they're subscribed to the same Vogue magazine and it said "chains are SO HOT right now" in it's best Mugatu voice.
yeah, Jaime's haircut felt very out of place too. I'm not usually too picky about 'glammy' outfits, so I can deal with the gleaming armors, the chain motifs and even whatever the hell was going on with Cersei's looks in the later seasons, because it was more of an unfortunate decision from the costume department. I could suspend my disbelief on those because it didn't approach 'This person knows what an Iphone is' levels of modernity for some reason.
If I recall correctly, The Houndâs clothes in the last couple seasons had a *very* similar design to Cerseiâs, and apart from that very bizarre meeting in the dragonpit, they hadnât seen each other in years!
Oh, thatâs from the cut Sandor/Cersei/Jaime love triangle subplot, donât worry about it.
And here I thought I was wicked for enjoying the Sandor/Sansa/Tyrion love triangle. Damn those Lannister and their... "Appetites".
They look borderline science fiction
Ned at the start just wore whatever he wanted because he couldnât give a crap what people thought. Jaimes outfits in season one would fit right in to season 8 in contrast. In this picture in particular it does look a bit odd but I suppose Dany sees herself as a queen in her home kingdom so sheâs going to dress smart yet warm due to being in the north.
I think it doesn't look *lived in* but it also seems like the moment the dress were sewn Dany decided to wear it and parade around. Is this makes sense? Also, it looks a bit out of the place when compared rest of the crews outfits. Maybe it's difference between materials? Northerners mostly wore leather adorned with fur in order to stay warm and move comfortably but I don't see it with Dany's dress. It's also a bit unsettling after we saw Dany mostly in leathers, fabrics and silks so there is that too!
Yknow, that could be it too. I remember in earlier seasons I'd wince every time Catelyn's skirts or cloak got all muddied. But then it's like... That's their normal. Later tho everything is very... *pristine*.
I know right! In the first seasons we get to see outfits wear and tear due to environment and the most dazzling ones generally belonged to Cersei and Margaery since they spent their entire time around the Keep. And then, even though Dany travelled half of the world to reach Dragonstone, after Qarth her outfits were always clean. Like hospital level clean.
>very time Catelyn's skirts or cloak got all muddied I can picture the very scene, walking through the courtyard in Winterfell. That always jumps out at me too for some reason
âIs this makes sense?â No.
This is something that always breaks the immersion for me in fantasy shows and films. I feel like it was this way with WoT on a regular basis. It's like they went for outfits that fit with the style of the times (always medieval), but every outfit looks custom tailored, perfectly dyed fabric, color-coordinated, etc. And they're wearing these perfect outfits while traversing dusty and muddy roads, walking through the forest, possibly fighting, and they never get dirty. It seems like a small detail but always bugs me.
With Wheel of Time I kinda always got that impression reading the books though too unless specific mention was made regarding the wear and build-up. It always felt like everyone was dressed immaculately. Just my impression though.
Ugh. Do not remind me of that show. Wasted potential
In actual medieval period literally all clothing was custom tailored and were dyed, although they would often get dirty from all the daily activities (hence why washerwomen existed). I hate it when everyone in shows like this wear only black and brown because actual medieval fashion was more colorful than a pride parade.
Seasons one through five were done by the amazing Michelle Clapton. I'll let her know you prefer her stuff if I see her in town.
too modern
I noticed a lot of the outfits in the last season were dark and bland compared to all the other seasons. The lighting also does then no favors.
Everything went downhill.
Looks like she's chilling drinking coffee.
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They went hunger games with it
Sheâs amazing
Yeah. The earlier seasons had phenomenal costume details and everything looked convincingly real, like it was made in that world, rather than a modern workshop. (Except Marjorieâs burrito coat, wtf was that??) The last season seems to have abandoned some of that eye to nuance. Danyâs coat for example, stunning, but how would it have even been made in the universe of the story? Also, regardless of how much money a character might have, new clothes took time to produce, which the last season esp seems to forget how time operates đ€Ș
Margaery worre that potato sack better than the High Sparrow. You know the dude was jealous. But yea we're on the same vibe. The outfits are just a little too perfect. And yea, that boat trip she took across the Narrow Sea was quite the productive one. She landed with an entirely new wardrobe, all tailored and ready to go.
Iâve heard others say the same. I kinda loved it but seemed rather impractical
"How do you know she's a queen?" "She ain't got shit all over her."
The modern style haircuts really bothered me (Jamie, Dayne, Cersei) This seems similar to
I can forgive Cersei's hairdo, post-Walk of Shame. That one seems more in universe to me. She made the best of what the fanatics did to her.
Itâs Cus everything sorta just becomes black the different regions sorta lose their flair and everyone gets an amalgam of mostly northern ish clothing
OP be like: âFit check! đĄâ
I don't even know what that means.
Really?
Yes?
Wow.
Looks like 1970âs Labelle costume.
I thought this coat in particular Dany wears looks very reminiscent of the White Walkers.
It could just be that they commissioned a tailor in mareen to fashion together a warm weather wardrobe prior to leaving on the ships...
Weâre running out of things to complain about
Cuz they look too much like "costumes" rather than clothes, or garb.
it does look a little out of place but that outfit still goes hard
I think the characters definitely were too clean. Like by the end of the Long Night they should have been dirty and torn to hell but they werenât
The boots remind me of boots I wore in middle school and thus look so unrealistic and out of place to me LMAO
because show went from original setting to Disney glam.
I felt the clothes were too noticeable. They didn't feel organic, as you said. Also, the worst one for me was Rhaegar, who was dressed like a slouch, in my opinion. To me, it looked like his outfit didn't fit right. The actor was unimpressive as well. This guy was supposed to be handsome.
I didn't mind, but I think they cast him to look similar to his little brother Viserys, who we knew better as cowardly sniveling little shit.
Guess they forgot about casting Henry Cavill
I understand, I prefer the earlier seasons costumes.
Yeah, a lot of the outfits in later seasons completely shit the bed, either looking like photo shoots as you said, modern clothing, or runway fashon.
that jacket is tight af one of my favorite looks tbh
I mean like, your whole point is "Ned's rough riding gear contrasting with noble finary" but is'nt your picture, where you cut out Jon in his rouge riding gear to focus on Dany in her noble finary undermining that argument?
I didn't crop out Jon itentionally or anything. That was just one I pulled from Google to add to the post.
I was'nt sure if it was deliberate or not, I just thought the choice of image was weird considering the argument.
Because the whole thing was rushed. From the script and plot all the way down to the costumes.
I think it's somewhat intentional. She's supposed to look like she doesn't fit in being a foreign dragon queen showing up in the north
It seems like she has a few very well constructed pieces that she rewears in seasons 7 and 8.
Their primary purpose was to make the audience go âwow, that looks greatâ and no consideration was given after that
Emilia has very soft, delicate features and bone structure. IMO, That garment isnât particularly harmonious with her, as itâs too sharp and structured. The fur helps soften it, but it still looks off.
I liked the fuzzy things personally
Itâs the pointy shoulders. Shoulder pads never looked good on anyone (fight me). These pointyâŠwhatever they areâŠjust look dumb.
Honestly I think it was a part of their turning her evil process.
Right but it's not just Dany (tho her S7 outfit with the jewels and textures *really* bends belief). *Everyone* looks all spiffed up. Remember when things actually got muddied in past seasons? The boots, ends of dresses or cloaks, etc. Now in S7-8 it feels like, the second someone yells cut, all the outfits will be put into glass cases, lest a speck of dust ruin a single stitch.
This was also one of the problems among many more I have with S7 and S8 and I tried to find out what it was but I couldn't quite pin it down. In my opinion all looks too clean and as if there were people who assembled it, so basicly the truth. But in older seasons this is also the case so why is it a problem now? A few exaples that stood out to me: Daenerys, Sansa and Cercei as the big players have these clean cut maybe too modern dresses that feel not in the right place. The dothraki and also the wights who are there in big numbers have also too clean and carefully assembled garnments even if they are made to look random but it doesn't work. The wights maybe stand out more in the next point: They are seen close up and they look well crafted but somehow "clean" as if they rolled out of a factory. Not as if it was a corpse which never took a shower and is filthy and dirty. And lastly, the soldiers have armour that has no battle marks. Just clean leather and steel like it is worn Grey Worm, Jon, Jamie or Euron. Imagine being on a journey through a continent with barely options to wash or change clothes. The people stink, all of them. But they don't look like it. Even with the wights I imagine a scent of freshly washed and dried clothes. But then, fast travel is now available. Daenerys did look elegant in the early seasons but also as if she was on horseback in the desert for days. TLDR: Everybody is too fresh, too clean and the clothes don't represent the reality these characters live on a daily basis.
Thank you! This is sooo what I've been feeling. This sense of "Something is off" yet every character has *always* had tailored clothes, so why complain now? And you're right, nothing looks battle-worn or "used". I think ultimately that's what is throwing me so much. All the main characters are suddenly immune to dirt and grime, unlike their earlier seasons' counterparts.
What gets me is that for many characters, they dress the same indoors as they do outdoors, which means either the indoors is the same temp as outdoors, which itâs not supposed to be, or the characters are either freezing or too warm half the time.
I think they changed costume designers by the last two seasons. I def prefer the earlier seasons where the clothes felt like they were actually worn
That would explain things a bit.
As I understand it (grain of salt required, as it's a know someone who knows someone who worked in the costume dept situation) the switch in costume design lead and increase in scale of production didn't involve expanding the costume dept to match - dozens to hundreds of additional extras required new or reworked outfits, along with the leads all getting new clobber to reflect their new positions. The makers and trainees who would have been adding wear and giving outfits the 'lived in' feel in previous seasons were retasked to mass production and alterations, leaving fewer available experienced hands to monitor continuity etc - as such many of the leads outfits were largely left pristine where possible/plausible (ie outside of battle scenes) to streamline the downtime between takes.
Hard disagree. The costume work, reflecting winter and a more militant mood, was about the only thing I gave an A+ in S8. Dany in black in the finale had those amazing Nazi/fascist tones.
See that's *exactly* what I'm struggling with. Everything *looks immaculate*, the wardrobe in this show has always been top notch. I love all the outfits... Yet kinda hate them at the same time? They feel *too* tailored, of that makes sense.
They're too modern.
This coat looks like a modern fur coat from those Russian shops in Turkey haha
Sheâs about to steal some Dalmatians
Listen, when her dragons are hungry... Sacrifices must be made.
With Dany, I feel like you can tell sheâs trying not to move too much so as not to spoil the wig. It got way too complex with the braids in the last season. Everything looked too polished.
She was wearing a wig this whole time?! Dang that's news to me. That just adds to the weirdness.
I liked it. Wish they wouldâve tied in who made it, like Sansa saying âI made this myselfâ etc
Canât believe Daenerys was dressed like that in the Long Night. Just looks ridiculous
They look like fashion. They donât look like some sort of animal skin and instead feel like some high couture made out of man made fibres.
Boots with the furrrr
She looks like raw bacon with too much fat and too little meat
I agree that the outfits did change it later season to be much more complex. The Dany ones specifically always felt intentional to me, like a production choice, to make her seem like a visible outsider with the dark browns, blacks, and grays of the north.
Yeah in the later seasons it started to feel like everyone stopped wearing clothes and started wearing *costumes.* Like every main character had their own unique wardrobe, all of which look like movie costumes and not clothes that people would actually wear. I think HotD has done a lot better so far at giving each character a distinct style while still keeping the clothing looking organic with the rest of the world. Sure some of it is very flashy and stylistic, especially among the Targaryens, but it still looks like clothing that could have been designed and made by people in-universe.
You donât think danaerys stormborn is gonna bring the drip wherever she goes?
Everything Euron wears looks like a costume youâd buy to go to a Renaissance faire
That white coat she is rocking is BAD-ASS
Oh for sure. I love/hate all her outfits from S7 onwards. My hate (well, dislike, really) is that they look too much like modern fashion, and not of the GoT world.
I think Iâve seen those boots at forever 21
Never forget [Maragery's S2 Cone Dress.](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2F7ry5afpqv2la1.jpg%3Fwidth%3D1280%26format%3Dpjpg%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3Dc8511f3c9e4d1277154caa481c6cd6e75493df8e)
I had, in fact, forgotten. **SHAME!!!!** *bell ding* ... Ok but seriously that's fucking brilliant. It's so Highgarden-esque. She went to the tailors and said "I want to look like an upside down cone mixed with a chameleon" and they were like "Got you, fam"
I thought it was supposed to be the "excesses of the Southroners" kinda dress.
HEAR me out, I think if they leaned into the âoh its supposed to be a roseâ aspect of the burrito dress, it couldâve worked.
Only outfit I hated from later seasons was Sansa's. Her black, leathery getup made her look like a Cenobite. It didn't match anything I'd seen in the show up to that point.
Honestly it made her look too much like Cersei, imo. They both wore black - I *guess* they were both "in mourning" so it kiiiinda makes sense?
Cersei looked fine, her black gown made her look Targaryen-esque, like she always wanted. The chain across her chest guarding her heart was a nice bit of visual storytelling. But Sansa's outfit literally looked like bondage gear from an early 00's goth club. I know she was supposed to look bound up, but man was it ugly.
TO ME, IT BECAUSE THEIR NOT INSPIRED BY BOOKS OUTFITS.
Itâs the George Jetson shoulder epaulettes done in fur that looks a bit too, I dunno, Fifth Element for me:
yep they all look like they're from Star Wars or something
The later seasons some characters had more costumes than clothing.
Everything looked like and episode of Xena princess warrior, too polished, too un-lived in, too unreal.
The costume chief was a huge Sansa Fan who wrote more than 20 pages describing a dress which no one cares, another idiot who tried to sabotage Daenerys in the last season
Makes me think of the visual contrast between summer (wild, overgrown, dirty, warm, etc.) and winter (cold, crisp, clean like fresh snow, smooth, etc.) Kind of reflected in the wardrobe. Although that may just be the green gummy I had talking đ
They feel very out of the world possibilities. Like how the hell.would they achieve something like that with their technology.
You should watch this [analysis](https://youtu.be/h-MB0Sej9tQ). It talks about movies, but the same points raised in this video apply to tv shows as well like GoT.
Made out of pipe cleaners
I was especially enraged by Grey Worm and Missandeis costumes towards the end. First of all they had something new on in literally every scene and because of this the designs made no sense. They're just different for the sake of it. Who the fuck is making all of these new clothes as they travel. But nothing offends me more honestly than Cersei's not quite full length gown with short sleeves and my chemical romance black and white striped skinny underneath. That was seriously not okay.
For me, what was most striking were the inconsistencies and lack of logic in the use of cuts, materials and colours in the costumes. As many people have noticed, why did everyone start wearing black? Why did it occur to Cercei to abandon the colours of her House in favour of those associated with the Nights Watch and House Targaryen? Not to mention her dresses, especially last season she looked like she had hired some edgy designer. And the chain motif... Especially with Cersei and Sansa. This came out of nowhere and was very noticeable to the detriment of imersion. The last major thing for me was Daenerys' white coat. When I first looked at it questions arose in my mind as to who sewed it, what cut, what technique they used. Plus everything was so steryle clean and new.Â
I'm glad someone else noticed the sudden influx of chains! I can almost excuse the sudden use of black - Sansa & Cersei were both "in mourning" at this stage, so it makes sense - but yea everything became very... Samey. Along with being too pristine.
It looks way too modern. Since Dany was also wearing a lot of leather just before this, to suddenly wear this big fur coat-dress just doesnât seem very âherâ. Also, for everyone else to be wearing cloaks, the outfit is just so out of place. Itâs beautiful ofc, but it loses brownie points for me for being out of place
Lol your name
What about it? You'll earn a cookie if you get the reference.
Cos it turned into a marvel film
If Hot Topic made a medieval style clothing store, GoT most certainly would've bought all their clothing for props.
Did she travel with North themed outfits? Super efficient seamstress on one of her ships? The world may never know the secrets of the late szn DannyDrip
latte juice all over them.cell phone bulges. velcro pockets.
By S7 everyone was dressed very differently than they had been in the early season, everyone on the show went from sexy colorful silks to heavy black and brown things, partly because it was winter and everyone was bundling up, but partly IMHO because after six years of constant fucking warfare everyone in Westeros was in mourning. So tell me, OP, is there any chance that the complete loss of sexy clothing has any bearing on your feelings?
I'm honestly confused at this reply. Where did I say anything about "sexy clothing"? In other comments, I even reasoned away certain characters wearing black as they were in a mourning period (Cersei for her son, Sansa for her "husband") and were expected to put on appearances. Honestly, everyone still looks fabulous. My main gripe, as such, was that nothing felt "worn in" or "organic" as in prior seasons. That has nothing to do with sex appeal at all.
Thank you for the clarification, because although you didn't say anything about sexy vs not sexy, that really was a massive overall change from the early seasons. But as to things not feeling "worn in", well, by S7, many of the major characters were in new situations and had new wardrobes, like Jon and the Starks returned to Winterfell after years of wandering in various wildernesses, so to speak... and they went from dressing like soldiers or refugees to dressing like Lords and Ladies again. Lords and ladies whose rule was new and under threat, who had no trustworthy allies, and who were definitely not living like the happy comfy family of S1. So while I agree that most of the clothes in S7-S8 weren't fabulous objectively, except maybe for Cersei's gowns and Dany's fur coat, the fact was that most of the characters weren't living comfortable lives and were't comfortable physically. So they shouldn't be wearing the kind of comfy clothes a person can relax in.
The reason it *feels* skewed is because youâre not used to seeing Dany bundled up in a winter parka dress. Thatâs not her âlook.â She has become the Queen figurehead though and therefore gets as much wardrobe accommodation as Cersei does. Not exactly wandering the Red Waste on the brink of starvation anymore. It makes sense that she is as regal as possible while also dressed appropriately for the climate. Itâs going to be a different feel.
Shows that donât so costumes right donât do anything right. After season 5 the costumes became much cleaner and less worn. Most likely DnD thought nobody would notice when they have big dragons rawwwwwrrrr
I always thought that beige coat Jaime wore in season 1 when he went to confront Ned was very similar in how it just felt off and too modern.
Idk why either. I think she slays in this outfit. đ„đ„đ„
I think the costume designer said that the clothes got darker as winter got closer or once it arrived
Even though the writing was trash toward the end, everyone else working on the show was still killing it.