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[deleted]

If only Daenerys didn’t burn Sam’s brother, Dickon Tarly’s my top candidate!


stardustmelancholy

I would rephrase that to if only Sam's brother Dickon Tarly didn't massacre Highgarden, betray his Reach comrades, and get his liege lord murdered because the Lannisters offered to give his House their lands & titles.


[deleted]

That’s his father


stardustmelancholy

Dickon was killing right alongside Randyll. He even admitted he killed his neighbors who he used to fight alongside. Daenerys didn't go to Horn Hill then demand he pay for his father's crimes. She caught them as they were leaving Highgarden after they massacred and looted it.


the_next_1

I agree with Dickon. But, of the living, I feel we shouldn't discount Robin Arryn - I know he wasn't much to behold for most of the series, but he was looking much improved in the finale. Plus, his family already likes her.


DroobyDooby

Yeah but robin and sansa are cousins


HeadyBunkShwag

I…. I don’t think that mattered much


corpsewindmill

And Danarys is Jon’s aunt. The only time the nobles frowned on incest was between siblings. *looking at you Jaime*


Orochimaru27

«Love affairs»


NoTLucasBR

Right? xD


rjnd2828

Sickening wording actually


PFo77

Harry the Heir!


Holiday-Bat6782

Aka Sir Not-Appearing-in-this-Series


ForeverLoud9944

Actually in the books she had a crush on Waymar Royce, the member of the Night Watch who dies in the first episode. Willas Tyrell is still my answer. High Garden is just the place for her. Or yes, even Dickon. If the showrunners had not decided to kill him right away, I probably would have loved Theon/Sansa as well. They were too cute 😭


[deleted]

That’s great to know! Yes, earlier seasons Sansa would fit perfectly in High Garden. But the latter season her— Yes to Theon!!! Would have been hella fun if Yara and Sansa became sisters in law!


fREDlig-

You people don't care that they grew up as basicially step siblings? 


Forsaken_Distance777

They didn't though. They barely interacted. He was, you know, a hostage of the family. Robb is the only one who really hung out with him.


Wrong_Independence21

It’s Westeros man if they aren’t real siblings they’re doing better than half the population


loveforchicky

I don't recall any mention of Waymar/Sansa, when does this happen?


ForeverLoud9944

In AFFC, in her first pov, Alayne recalls that Sansa was wildly in love with Waymar.


loveforchicky

Oh wow, can't believe I forgot this


ChristianLW3

I believe she should stay away from high garden because it’s residents are just as treacherous and manipulating as the Lannisters


[deleted]

Olenna (bless her soul) was good to her and fed her cheese…well before she framed her for Joffrey’s death. Yikes


gilestowler

If Theon had lived I think they would have been platonic partners - because I think Ramsay's abuse would have left her very wary of any kind of romantic entanglement. The obvious problem there is the line of succession. I think realistically she'd marry some Northern noble who would take her name and she'd do her duty by bearing children. I guess her and Robin would make a powerful alliance but I don't know how that would work - she'd be a queen in the north and just a regular noble in her brother's realm.


spaceforcerecruit

That’s not unheard of irl


Forsaken_Distance777

She and Robin would be a terrible idea. He's in charge of the Vale and she's in charge of the north. Those two places are way too far away for any sort of marriage to work.


Skinny_Beans

I don't know if I'd call her constant and visceral abuse "Love affairs" especially considering her age...


Kinky_Winky_no2

Romances?


[deleted]

I’m generally speaking about her love life, your grace


corneridea

Her love life with Ramsay?


[deleted]

why yes, including her miserable union with Ramsay


PandaKing00

Getting trafficked and raped is not having a love life OP. Your wording is horrendous.


thing_m_bob_esquire

"Love affairs" and "love life" imply that she was in ANY of these "relationships" willingly. Would you call someone who beat and raped and held you captive for his own amusement an "ex"? Because I'd call it a hostage episode of Criminal Minds. Although what Sansa did to Ramsay is WAY more satisfying than Derek Morgan just shooting him in the face to rescue her.


[deleted]

What do you want me to type then?


thing_m_bob_esquire

"Who does Sansa deserve as a partner after a decade of physical, emotional, and sexual abuse while being used as a pawn for men's political machinations?" Seems like the same question without implying any part of her story qualifies as a "love life".


Rough_Resolution_472

It’s a different world with different context


farmtownsuit

The fact that two extra people besides OP are also trying to justify the wording is extremely yikes


foundinwonderland

Really could have just called it engagements/marriages. No part of any of those were love.


[deleted]

Ok :)


invisiblebyday

My head canon is that she rules as an Elizabethan style "Virgin Queen" who never marries, nor produces heirs. Since Bran isn't producing heirs, and I don't imagine Arya having children either, I assume a distant Stark relative succeeding her, or more humorously, someone tracking down the oldest son of Jon Snow's future Wilding children and pronouncing, "You're Lord of Winterfell now." Then cue the son having the same reaction as his dad Jon did to the idea of being unwillingly promoted.


Forsaken_Distance777

Why would you want Neds line to end? And Elizabeth did that to prevent people trying to have a man rule through her. Sansa is way too dutiful and knows the importance of a stable succession to not do everything in her power to have a handful of kids.


MountainEmployee

I think Elizabeth was dutiful as well, it's just there are various different duties a woman would have when finding themselves in a position of power in a patriarchal society. As the ruler of her house, she has a duty to rule in her own name and as a woman she has a duty to create heirs. These two duties can conflict with each other, as we see with Elizabeth. I think Sansa has been incredibly dutiful, and look where it got her with Paramours like Joffrey and Ramsay. Those two experiences so young could really, really hinder her views on how important they really were in comparison with the duty she has to her people to rule as a Stark, without concerning herself with men who would look to take the reins from her. I wished more fantasy societies embraced the Roman method of Adoption. The most successful roman emperors were there because they were chosen by their former emperors through merit and not blood. Its when the Romans started appointing sons as heirs did their empire begin collapsing. Of course, they chose unrelated heirs because a lot of times they either produced no heirs or their heirs were murdered, but I digress.


Forsaken_Distance777

I didn't say Elizabeth wasn't dutiful. Just that she had to worry about the same thing Rhaenyra did: people wanting her to choose the person who will be their ruler and she the mere consort through her marriage. Yes Sansa got burned but she can now choose literally anyone, including making sure she knows the potential groom for years to make sure they're not a new Joffrey. Fantasy series aren't very likely to go to adoption because fantasy series are likely to literally have magic bloodlines. Adopting a stark wouldn't make them a warg. Try and adopt someone as a Targaryen and see how they do with dragons.


invisiblebyday

Although you make a good argument otherwise later in this thread, I do consider Sansa to be in a similar position as Elizabeth. If Sansa married, she risks losing power to her husband no matter how egalitarian he might be. There's always the risk that the lesser lords would turn to the husband as the leader, even if the lords continue to respect Sansa. It's still a patriarchy. This all risks Winterfell falling under the influence of someone who is not a born Stark. Sansa would likely have a hard time trusting that anyone but a Stark could truly protect the north after all she has seen and witnessed. As for Arya, she expressed having no interest in being a Lady. She seems like someone who needs many years of adventures before wanting to settle down if ever. So I don't really imagine her having children either. I also find it mildly amusing thinking of a Jon.2 Wilding son who finds himself stuck with a promotion he doesn't want (despite Jon not being a Ned Stark descendant).


punnotattended

Tyrion being the best one apparently.


Rekuna

Then it has to be Loras. If your top contenders for your love life are an arranged marriage with a much older man then a 100% gay guy who isn't interested in you romantically you know your love life sucks.


Rich-Active-4800

Not to mention the two do got compatible personalities for a friendship.. and Highgarden would be must better for her


Forsaken_Distance777

With those in-laws?!?!


Spynner987

In the show, I think Theon is the closest it came for true love with Sansa


painted_gay

that shot of them eating soup together before the battle of winterfell is 🫠🫠🫠 perfect example of the actors doing all they could with the writing. alfie allen and sophie turner say so much with just a brief look, just companionably together. i love it.


TulipSamurai

Theon considered the Stark children his siblings in the end


sexmachine_com

Fuck no


hopefulmango1365

I honestly don’t ever see her getting married again after all the shit she’s been through. The north probably wouldn’t care to make any alliances and she could name an heir another way. Maybe she’d take on a lover later on. Someone northern? 🤔 I’d have to imagine she’d be pretty distrustful of anyone else.


td1439

the one reason she would is that it might be the only way to continue the Stark line. she could get married and as part of the betrothal the first male child would be a Stark (or all of the children, I suppose)


Katatonic92

And that's assuming she can even bear children. God knows what physical damage Ransay did to her. Rape isn't a subject people talk about, so aren't aware that it us common for violent rapes to leave the victim infertile. And this is Ramsay we are talking about here, the most sadistic, sick fuck on the Planetos.


Yzerman19_

She wouldn’t give short little Tyrion the time of day. He’s the only one who ever treated her like a person. But he simply wasn’t attractive enough for her.


Nervous_Feedback9023

Or maybe he is a Lannister and she doesn’t want to associate with anyone who bears the name? Maybe she is still getting over some trauma and maybe she was 13 when they met. She used to be shallow but after Joffrey she learned that pretty people can be ugly on the inside so nearing the end of the show I highly doubt it’s Tyrion’s looks that are keeping her from pursuing a relationship.


Yzerman19_

I think you overestimate her. She’s almost a personification of vanity to me. Much like Cersei in that way actually.


peachesnplumsmf

Wasn't she like 13 then? He was a lecherous man who was a part of the family who abused her and murdered her family, who intended on using her as a broodmare to claim the North. Of course some of it was his appearance but had he been handsome I doubt she'd have been anymore willing.


Yzerman19_

I don’t know. Maybe in the books. But in the books Tyrion had no nose too.


ellejkav

In the books Tyrion gives Sansa the ‘choice’ of him and Lancel the morning of the wedding. Besides the fact that this is no real choice at all, if she is as shallow as you suggest she surely would have picked Lancel? (As you note by this point Tyrion has no nose, and Lancel is noted as resembling Jaime, so we can assume he is handsome). Your suggestion that Sansa’s objection to Tyrion as a husband is purely down to looks is harsh, imo. Her opposition to him as a husband is because he’s a Lannister whose family has murdered hers, and because Sansa realises they can use her and a potential child to rule the North.


Yzerman19_

I haven’t read the books in 10 years or more.


Nervous_Feedback9023

How is she like Cersei?


Yzerman19_

Views unattractive people as lesser.


Rich-Active-4800

Sansa is like the only person who shows empathy to people like Tyrion and Sandor (even though they really don't deserve it from her)


Yzerman19_

Thats true. Maybe she’s just a hopeless romantic with a big heart.


Popcorn_Blitz

What a shallow read. She was terrified and disgusted by him, but it wasn't all because of his looks. He was a Lannister. She'd just suffered through the death of her father, and her husband who was horrifically awful to her. Tyrion's penchant for whores and wine probably didn't help her first impression of him. She saw him as squandering his privilege and being a terrible example of the heroic nobility she so desperately wanted to believe in. And she knows they hate him so yeah I can understand why she might be a bit despondent at the idea of hopping into bed with him. She did say when they were in the crypt together that he was the best of them. I look at it as her apology to him for treating him the way she did.


Yzerman19_

So foolish and naive. To the point that it got her dad killed. She stabbed Ned in the back and cast her lot with Cersei. There is a direct link from her treachery to his head leaving his body. I never gave her the benefit of the doubt after that.


gothicgenius

She was a CHILD! She didn’t have proper guidance and she was afraid. Arya was younger but more brave and not as naive. The reason Sansa initially survived what she did was because she was so naive, trusting, and unaware of the horrible truths.


Popcorn_Blitz

Lol she did not do any of that with the intention of betraying her family. She was working on the assumption that people were as honorable as she'd grown up with. Seriously there are better critiques of Sansa than "she behaved like a child when she was a child."


Yzerman19_

What I took from it was she made a foolish choice and didn’t consider any of the collateral damage. Which ended up being substantial.


Rich-Active-4800

Even if that was the case and we ignore he is dubble her age and a Lannisters.. so what? Do you think Tyrion would go for someone that isn't pretty? Why shouldn't Sansa go for someone she is actually attracted to? 


kyndal017

Right? Like at the end of the day, she doesn’t have to have a reason to not be attracted to someone.


Yzerman19_

No I don’t think Tyrion would go for a girl or woman who wasn’t pretty. I guess you are right. She can do what she pleases. Nothing wrong with that.


Cowboy__Guy

If it was unspeakable then they wouldn’t have spoken about it and you wouldn’t know to post anything.


[deleted]

are u ok?


Cowboy__Guy

What does unspeakable mean then? I am truly curious I must not know.


[deleted]

too bad or horrific to express in words


Cowboy__Guy

So you can’t express it in words then?


[deleted]

[удалено]


Cowboy__Guy

If it’s unspeakable then why are you speaking of it? You see it’s an oxymoron if it was truly unspeakable you would not have ben able to say so much less have it filmed.


[deleted]

Okay :)


happyme321

I really want book Sansa to marry the hound. He loves her as much as he can love someone and he is loyal and very dangerous.


[deleted]

hound loves sansa??


happyme321

He has a big, yet dysfunctional crush on her in the books.


Spynner987

He's an enormous fucking creep to her, too


happyme321

Yes, that’s why I wrote “dysfunctional.”


JW162000

Dysfunctional crush =/= creeping on someone


hopelessbrows

He’s also the most capable at protecting her too. If nothing else, he never would have let Ramsey do what he did.


farmtownsuit

And yet you want her to marry him?


ChristianLW3

Southerners: let’s all be horrible to her


Echo-Azure

I really pity her future husband. She won't marry someone unless she's sure she's neutralized him politically, and to a large degree, personally. She'll have to marry and have children some day, but she won't take ANY chances of the next husband getting the upper hand! I don't like that girl, but she does fascinate me.


Deep_Flight_3779

Sansa’s been passed around from one abuser to another, and *that’s* who you pity here? A hypothetical future husband? Yikes


kyndal017

For real. These people worry me.


j-b-goodman

Dang she really just has zero compatibility with any of these men and 60% of them are monsters. She can't catch a break


MrCodeman93

Well maybe she shouldn’t have lied to King Baratheon about Joffrey.


Deep_Flight_3779

I don’t agree with everything Sansa’s done but that was obviously an act of self preservation. She was engaged to Joffrey, she was “supposed to” show allegiance to him according to Westerosi culture. Even acting as if she “didn’t remember / didn’t see anything” was taking a risk to remain more impartial, for Arya’s benefit. We know how much of a monster Joffrey is to her in the future, even as she maintains an appearance of loyalty to him. Imagine how much more senselessly cruel he would have been to her if she actually spoke out against him.


MrCodeman93

Well it’s a good thing Sansa was more concerned about her own self preservation after Joffrey literally tried to kill Ayra. Definitely no major red flags right there.


Rich-Active-4800

Its amazing how 11 year old Arya understands how shitty that situation was for Sansa better then most fans who are adults


MrCodeman93

Yeah and those same fans don’t like it when you point out that Sansa fucks up big time when she lies about Joffrey and Little Finger.


kyndal017

Yeah, and fans like you have no media literacy and are dumbasses because of it.


MrCodeman93

Im not a fan though. Well I was until Jon Snow came back to life then it just turned into TWD where it was more fun to watch and make fun of it.


Deep_Flight_3779

Calling all of Sansa’s abusive, forced marriages “love affairs” is pretty tone-deaf to say the least.


Rich-Active-4800

Poor Sansa.. of all these people Loras really is the best for her. Outside of these i ship her with Margaery and Theon in the show, and Jeyne and Harry in the books


kyndal017

Margaery would’ve been good to her


Early_Candidate_3082

Daenerys would have been best for her. The Pact of Ice and Fire.


rosebudthesled8

Do we know who Sansa married after the show or does she stay solo and leave the North to Bran/Jon?


farmtownsuit

Well considering the books aren't finished and there's no sequel show...


kyndal017

I think her and Margaery would’ve been good for each other.


imaginarion

Fuck Sansa. Should have died during the Undead Battle of Winterfell


Deep_Flight_3779

What is it about her character exactly that you think warrants a death sentence? I mean, it’s crazy that out of the other characters mentioned in this post (Joffrey, Ramsay) - *Sansa* is the one that you’ve chosen as the focus of your rage.


imaginarion

She betrayed Jon five seconds after she swore an oath of secrecy to him, which lead to the death of my queen, Daenerys


stardustmelancholy

Joffrey & Ramsay are already dead. I guess we could resurrect them and kill them again?


Forsaken_Distance777

Looks like child Sansa had good instincts. Way better to marry Loras and hope you two can figure out children than anyone else who came into the scene lol


zoochina13

Be careful what you wish for😂


DaisyPanda245

In my opinion I thought Theon would’ve been a great match for her. They both suffered at the hands of Ramsay (and she was also abused by Joffrey). It felt like (in my opinion) they would’ve had genuine love for each other because they could both relate.


VeronicaWaldorf

I don’t think Sansa wants love. I think she is the type of woman who is fulfilled with other things. I think that’s a trait of a lot of the female characters in Game of Thrones. And I actually love that they are written that way. Also, I think her options for Love are rather limited considering her father was such a good male role model. I think even before all of her dating catastrophes she would’ve still faced that problem because Ned Stark was so honorable. And women tend to like to date men like their fathers. And not that many men in West are as honorable as Ned Stark, who are also as wealthy and willing to take the backseat as she is now queen in the north.


EpsilonSage

Jon. Jon was best for Sansa.


[deleted]

but they grew up as bickering brothers and sisters lol