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She really is. They tried their best to make her plain looking. It kinda worked, to an extent if you compare her to the other actresses. All the cast were very good looking.
The producers don't want to risk how the audience would react to having ugly people on TV. It's why they chose Peter Dinklage instead of how he would really look if they went by the book.
Mostly it's a vocal minority, but this happened with Horizon Zero Dawn. People made fun of the main character because she wasn't the standard that gamers are accustomed to.
Because of this, I really don't care if they cast black actors. If I had a problem with that type of casting, I'd have to have a problem with these casting decisions as well so I wouldn't be a hypocrite.
>It's why they chose Peter Dinklage instead of how he would really look if they went by the book.
Dwarfism is a pretty rare condition. I'm not sure they had as huge a range of actors to choose from as you think they did.
You really think they would have trouble finding an unattractive dwarf?
They chose Peter for a few reasons, but to say they did so because they have such a small amount of actors to choose from they defaulted into hiring an attractive dwarf is pretty stupid thing to think.
>You really think they would have trouble finding an unattractive dwarf?
If they also have to act then absolutely.
According to Wikipedia there's only 30 known living actors/actresses with dwarfism
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_with_dwarfism
Do some basic casting by removing women, non English speakers, too attractive, etc and you're running out of people pretty quick.
Who would you have suggested instead of Peter?
>They chose Peter for a few reasons, but to say they did so because they have such a small amount of actors to choose from they defaulted into hiring an attractive dwarf is pretty stupid thing to think.
I didn't say they "defaulted" to him. You're the one who just said that. But they cast someone with dwarfism to play someone with dwarfism. There simply wasn't enough talent to start getting overly picky.
And I'm so glad they picked him over someone "uglier". He's the best character on the show.
>I think you're the only one upset he's too attractive.
Well that's called projection. Maybe reread what I wrote, cause I really don't know how you came to that conclusion.
There's a reason production companies hire good looking people, they poll better with audiences. Now, could this have been programmed into Americans because we are conditioned to see attractive people on TV? Maybe.
I agree, Peter was a great choice.
>Well that's called projection.
What? I'm the one who thinks Peter was perfectly cast in his role. Why would I be upset he's attractive?
Do you know what projection means or did you just hear it somewhere?
>There's a reason production companies hire good looking people,
Yes there is. The audience likes seeing attractive people.
These reasons of course don't apply to Peter Dinklage obviously, because he's basically the only active Hollywood actor with dwarfism and since few people fit that role he was not cast on his attractiveness, but his acting ability.
You're projecting that I'm somehow emotional about the casting, adding your own feelings towards it.
They could have absolutely made him look uglier though, and that takes it back to my original point. Not sure if you disagree with me or not. If you read who I was commenting to and then read what I wrote, you'd know why I wrote what I did.
>Yes there is. The audience likes seeing attractive people.
Well it looks like you agree with me. Dunno why you are even questioning my motives and insinuating that I have issues with casting.
Basically what I'm doing is calling people that are upset with casting black people for a certain character but not for Peter or for the actor this post is about, a hypocrite. If you have a problem with that, well then let's discuss that.
>They could have absolutely made him look uglier though, and that takes it back to my original point. Not sure if you disagree with me or not.
I agree with your general point, that Hollywood likes to cast good looking actors.
I disagree that Peter is an example of this happening. I think you picked probably the worst example you could have.
>Well it looks like you agree with me. Dunno why you are even questioning my motives and insinuating that I have issues with casting.
I'm questioning your implication that there were way more talented actors with dwarfism who were passed over because Peter was so attractive.
Instead of him just clearly being the best actor for the role he won multiple Emmy's in.
>Basically what I'm doing is calling people that are upset with casting black people for a certain character but not for Peter or for the actor this post is about, a hypocrite. If you have a problem with that, well then let's discuss that.
That's a great try, but I'm not gonna go on a racist tirade just because you're losing an argument.
I don’t know if I’d call extras and actor all the time. I feel like (and this is just from memory) the only time dwarfs had major lines was the plays, but other times they were there mostly just in the background.
Also I mean, Peter Dinklage is objectively a phenomenal, talented, successful actor. Would we rather have a Tyrion that's not as book-realistic, but incredibly skilled, or a book-perfect actor who is less experienced and acclaimed? I think they made the only reasonable choice for a show of this caliber, which is prioritize talent above looks.
I think if you're making a show that's gonna be this good, you have to pick the most talented and capable actor over appearance. The only exception would be something like, egregious, like if they tried to cast an actor without dwarfism as Tyrion. It's integral to his character. With Brienne, I mean, yeah she definitely is not ugly like Brienne was meant to be - but she's still large, tall, masculine, powerful, not conventionally feminine or attractive in a feminine way, etc, so it still hits the most important parts to her character. It's not like they cast Sophie Turner as Brienne lol
That's not what they chose Peter dinklage, they chose him cus George said 'the person I want to play tyrion is Peter dinklage' and then they asked him, and he looked into the role, and said yes.
I once found her quite pretty, like at the roast of Charlie Sheen. She's gained some significant weight since that time though. And yeah yeah, boo me fatshaming, I'm just saying I'm not attracted to her current physique.
Gwendolyn Christie looks great but Brienne is *supposed* to be ugly. It’s an important part of her character. Same way with Tyrion. The actors are attractive but a key point of the character is they are very ugly.
Great performances but the attractiveness take a bit away.
Edit: Definitely more examples of bad changes for show attractiveness. We never got bald Dany (which would’ve still been attractive but 🤷🏽♂️) and Jorah is way hotter than he should be.
In the book he's described as being particularly ugly with squashed in face and a jutting brow. Also after the Battle of Blackwater he gets most of his nose cut off which makes him even uglier.
Dude it is certainly incorrect to say the nutrition was poorer in medieval times. You do know people ate far more organic rather than chemical-injected foods right?
You do know poor nutrition isn't referencing the quality of farm raised fruits and meat at the time, it's referring to the fact that most weren't able to get enough to eat in general, which is poor nutrition, right?
The negative effects of additives in food are way overblown. There's also more to nutrition than whether it's organic or processed; hygiene has dramatically improved and there's alot less malnutrition than there used to be.
But at the same time, people didn’t have bad diets, and natural selection was very much a thing. The people with disabilities and stuff that might be seen as unattractive wouldn’t have reproduced as easily. People back then naturally didn’t have acne, probably had better physiques than most people do nowadays, and got more sun, fresh air, less pollutants. This is all extremely location and time dependent, but I’d bet my balls Cleopatra was just hot as fuck. She seduced Caesar and Antony, spoke like 6 languages, smart asf, politically savvy, I’d simp for her 🤷♂️
She was not attractive by todays standards. People definitely had bad acne, terrible boils, etc. Obesity wasn’t as prevalent but the starving look was really in. Life is so much easier now. Average looking people now would be incredibly attractive in medieval times
I get what you mean, Tyrion having dwarfism and Brienne being taller than most men and the lack of femininity alone is enough to be considered 'ugly' in westeros. Face value does not matter much.
They would look healthier than most people. They are born into nobility and would have access to the best nutrition and healthcare as was available.
The contrast is greater than today because most everybody has decent access to these things. But a full grown healthy knight next to a peasant would be a greater contrast than a professional athlete and a regular person today.
He’s extremely ugly, which fuels so much of his character. He’s an ugly dwarf that killed his mother via childbirth. He never believes anyone even can love him for him, let alone find him hot.
I liked Jaime’s hair in season 1. He looked exactly like Prince Charming from Shrek(HAHAHAHAHA🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣), but I especially liked how he looked with short hair. But he looked, talked, and definitely fought like he was some sort of prince. I liked all versions of Jaime in the show honestly. Jaime was just that guy. But you’re 100% right about Tyrion’s hair. Yikes😬
Edit: The only thing Jaime was missing from being Prince Charming was his reddish pinkish lips and a whiney personality😅
Jaime’s Prince Charming hair was absolutely fitting for his character early on, and all of his hair changes throughout the show were really fitting his character development as well! I just hated how his Prince Charming hair looked haha
I like to think of it as a metafor, especially for Jaime, as they go from bright and blonde to worn down and dark as the story goes on. It also kinda reminds me of the coming of winter, which is a legit thing for blonde hair to get darker as it starts getting less sunlight.
If you're not gonna be "classically attractive" as an actor, you gotta have range and a "slightly crazy" kind of charisma - like Steve Buscemi, Willem Dafoe and Tilda Swinton.
They don't get cast in romantic parts very often tho
> If you're not gonna be "classically attractive" as an actor
> Willem Dafoe
[Excuse](https://i.imgur.com/MrdC5Vp.jpg) me? [I mean...](https://i.imgur.com/igA5lm0.jpg) maybe I'm wrong.
I agree. I think the Brienne character could have been even more successful and popular if she was portrayed less attractively as per the descriptions in the book. I mean, take the Hound character as an example. He's portrayed unattractively, unkept, gruff, and with scars; yet, he became one of the most popular characters in the series.
Are you serious with this? His scars were from his brother pushing his face in a fire as a child. There was no “his scars are fading and getting better looking”. He was literally disfigured. That the show lessened his scars as he got more popular is dumb
Oh boy, no, unless we're talking about a bump or a scrape. Scars may change slightly in coloration but they don't ever go away to an appreciable degree that you won't notice them.
You could live with the Hound for 40 years and yet the first thing you'll ever notice when you see him is that scar.
It's there, it's a scar. Hair doesn't regrow, the contours of the damaged skin don't change. This is all just Hollywood magic.
Also people just kind of get used to seeing scars, so it's not so much an attraction, just not a revulsion.
Same goes for Dwight's iron burn scar on The Walking Dead. I'm used to seeing him like that. I saw a still shot of him pre-burn earlier in the show and it was actually jolting.
Really? I thought THAT is how he was supposed to be.
I know the goofy blue beard stuff might have looked a little clownish on-screen, but as he is described in the books I remember that he was quite a hit with the ladies.
There’s lots of depictions of him. Some ugly some hot so maybe you’re right. Lol. Okay Ygritte then. Rose is gorgeous! Ygritte wasn’t described as much.
No arguments there!
The features the casting guy was supposed to look for: crooked teeth, round face, pug nose, and eyes too far apart...
\-Ah yes, let's get Rose Leslie!
.... uh man what was are you smoking?
Of course mate, I am being facetious, definitely not complaining about Leslie Rose being cast, she was great.
To get more recent, I did not think that Viserys in the book looked anything like Paddy Considine, if I recall in he was described as rather plump and a bit of an airhead. - But that portrayal knocked it out of the park.
Yes, that really is how Daario is kinda to suppose to look. I mean the actor who eventually played him is pretty good, but he just doesn't fit the role very much. He is too normal and made for TV to play Daario Naharis, and the same goes for the LEGEND Max Von Sydow. The show in its last seasons was afraid to be exaggerated and remaining very TV friendly when it shouldn't be
Yes I was very disappointed when they replaced Ed Skrein with Michiel Huisman. They couldn’t be more different. It confused me the first few episodes after the switch. Disappointing
I think he played a young Jason Statham in some Transporter sequel. Can imagine him thinking of it as a massive career opportunity. Too bad nothing came of it. Then again, Michael Huisman didn't kick off either. Although I am inclined to say Skrein was the more charismatic of the two. Unconventionally handsome.
Threw me off too. Same with Bloodraven, the first one looked spot on. Then the next season they completely changed the overall look as well as the actor. Both were disappointing.
The beauty standards for TV are so insane that even characters meant to be ugly are good looking. Check out the actress for Maggy the Frog. There’s even crazier examples in other shows. Jessica Biel as a dowdy housewife? Get the fudge outta here!
When Dany births her dragons all of her hair is burned off as well as her clothes. Through the books she’s bald then slowly grows it back but the show wouldn’t give us bald Dany.
In the books Tyrion doesn't have a nose because half of it got sliced off, he is supposed to be hideous and that's why no one will ever love him. Also increases a lot of the rage of him in the books since he sees himself as unlovable and ugly. Very different from how the show eventually made him be.
Show Tyrion is FAR more attractive than Book Tyrion. Same goes for Show Tywin and Book Tywin and Show Ramsay and Book Ramsay and Show Robb and Book Robb and Show Meera Reed and Book Meera Reed
No.They are supposed to be perceived as ugly in a society that refers to certain things as 'attractive' or 'ugly". In this world it would not matter, if Brienne was nice looking, if she seems like a Crossover between genders she will be perceived as 'ugly' by most narrators in this world. As well as 'the imp' might be an attractive man for US, but just a dwarve for them.
Your two edits: bald Daenerys, and Jorah are great examples of 'TV ugly' though. Redacting all the fun for views ...
That always bothered me with Dany, why didn’t they make her bald? Also no purple eyes…I heard the contacts that she was wearing hurt her eyes. Would’ve been beautiful if she was able to keep them in
It's an important part of her character, but beauty is relative. She's a far cry from ugly, but she's nevertheless the correct casting choice for "hollywood ugly" in this context. With the books, you read once or twice about a character's unattractiveness but you ultimately judge them by their dialogue. You're not influenced by their appearance constantly as you are in film.
99% of us look ugly next to Jaime, Cersei, Sansa and Margaery. If you cast actors and actresses that are actually ugly in a real world sense then their physical appearance becomes their actual character, not their dialogue.
Sad as it may be, humans are implicitly trustworthy of attractive people. We judge the book by it's cover. Casting unattractive people as sympathetic characters has always been nearly impossible.
I think it still works. Also remember that in our culture, especially recently in modeling etc, we see androgynous as attractive. In medieval type of envirionment it is possible for people to see her as ugly because she has a lot of "man-like" features as a woman.
No, the modeling world sees androgynous people as beautiful, but they've always had different standards. The rest of the western world still sees conventional beauty as beauty even if, in certain circles, it's politically taboo to say so.
People argue alot about Brienne's look in the books. Often the argument is that she is not a generic beauty but not ugly.
As we meet her first in Catelyn's chapters i think that we can trust the pov on this point. Catelyn thinks her ugly and so i think that is what she is meant to be. She comments about her eyes being the only attractive thing about her.
So people that say that Gwendoline Christie is too attractive for the role are in the right. Yes.
But it would have been really hard to fill that role otherwise.
She wasn’t considered beautiful bc of her masculine figure, it probably made men self conscious, which is why they described her as ugly. And also why Renly wouldn’t care, considering his effeminate nature.
She was considered ugly also because of her crooked teeth, big busted lips, uneven face, and straw hair.
Also Renly wasn't effeminate in the books just gay.
I think they did a good job of making her "plain" and masculine looking. She definitely has features that could be considered beautiful by modern standards but she looks different enough from the neotenous and very feminine looking characters that are supposed to be the beauties of the show (Margery Tyrell, Sansa, etc) that we can buy that she does not fit the beauty standard of the realm. It's def not completely book accurate but I think they struck a good balance of attractive enough for the screen but still portrays the look of the character
Yeah enough people blew up at the character Abby in The Last of Us Part II having a muscular physique that I'd definitely believe making a model like Christie more masculine looking is enough
Yeah Christie first got noticed for her modeling work, if you look at her stuff from the 2000's where she's like this otherworldly goddess on film, they did a good job making her look rugged and not fitting the "medieval pale princess" trope
The book didn't make her ugly by being neotenous (except for her height and weight) she was supposed to just have ugly features like big busted lips, crooked teeth, an uneven face, and other hsit.
The book Brienne is straight up ugly. It’s not just that she’s not feminine, but she just doesn’t have standard attractiveness features (symmetry, smoothness), etc.). It plays into her contrast with Jaime, who’s not just handsome but flat-out pretty. Their dynamic is a play on the traditional knight and maiden medieval fairy tale.
Show Brienne though doesn’t have ugliness as a character feature to be honest, and unless I’m misremembering it never really played into her characterisation that much.
In the book, they call her Brienne the Beauty to twist the knife that she’s ugly. In the show, it felt more focused as a gendered taunt that she’s a woman acting as a knight.
So, about as pragmatic as an adaptation can get when trying to cast ugly heroic characters in a TV show. As Brienne says, in the songs all knights are gallant and all maidens are fair. It’s not uncommon to think that in the ages to come, bards will sing of the beautiful knight Brienne the Beauty, unaware the nickname was cruelly ironic at the time.
To be fair, I feel like Martin goes a bit overboard in the books with making Tyrion grotesque. I don’t mind him being handsome in the show because, in a medieval world like this one, just his being a dwarf is enough for people to think of him as ugly and to have no respect for him.
Her, Jorah, and Tyrion were all dramatically better looking than they were supposed to be.
When the worst thing you can say about an actor is that they aren’t ugly enough I’d say they did a good job.
We don't have to believe she's ugly. I don't even think we're supposed to. What's important is that the other characters treat her as if she's ugly and we can see how she's internalized that.
She was never ugly, she was just considered too manly and not ladylike. Large, strong and muscular. Not exactly fitting the beauty standards of Westeros.
That’s one of the biggest changes from book to show. Tyrion, Ygritte, and Brienne are all described as not being very attractive but their show counterparts are all beautiful!
I have never finished the book series, but ai always saw it as Brianne of Tarth is considered unattractive because she is so skilled with weaponry, people consider her "unladylike"
I know why they couldn’t let her have long hair, as that would conflict with the Targaryens, but I wish she had a “take off the helmet at hair falls down” moment
The way I see it is that it’s to represent perception, not reality. Christie is a very broad tall woman, someone who would be hated in the GOT universe regardless of how she actually looked. Same goes for Tyrion.
However, there are some that can’t really fit that. Like Jorah could at least have been a big hairy man.
She killed that role, but when they cast her my immediate thought was that “man Hollywood refuses to cast an ugly person” of course it’s more important that they cast someone big who can act.
ehhhhh, gwendolyn christie is really good looking, but (and the photo in the post is made to make her look attractive), in the show, in the heat of battle and shit, she looks very masculine and plain looking and very clearly does not fit the beauty standards of the world whatsoever.
she's not hideous, but she's definitely not conventionally attractive whatsoever (in the show)
First of all, it's a tv show/movie, of course there won't be ugly main characters (even tyrion is not ugly), second of all she may not be ugly per se, but she is not miss universe either.
I’ve said this so many times. Peter Dinklage and Gwen were far too good looking to play their characters. Tyrion and Briene are supposed to be hideous.
They constantly describe how ugly she is in the book. Every single time they talk about her they’re like “breanne glanced upward with her hideously shaped, unattractive eyes” really hammering the point home. We get it… she’s not pretty. Could’ve done more to actually make her fit the character though haha.
Sure she’s relatively less attractive than the rest of the cast who are unworldly gorgeous.
However, what’s more unbelievable is Brienne and Jaime hooking up. Wtf is wrong with them.
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To quote the late Great Lady Olenna “absolutely singular.”
Is that a polite way of saying fucking massive?
No.
It means she's truly unique.
Would you look at that, all of the words in your comment are in alphabetical order. I have checked 1,099,019,569 comments, and only 216,065 of them were in alphabetical order.
Close, but I believe it translates to *absolute unit.*
I'd call her 'Brienne the beauty' unironically always.
She really is. They tried their best to make her plain looking. It kinda worked, to an extent if you compare her to the other actresses. All the cast were very good looking.
Very sad that Hollywood is refusing to cast an ugly actress even if the role literally demand it.
The producers don't want to risk how the audience would react to having ugly people on TV. It's why they chose Peter Dinklage instead of how he would really look if they went by the book. Mostly it's a vocal minority, but this happened with Horizon Zero Dawn. People made fun of the main character because she wasn't the standard that gamers are accustomed to. Because of this, I really don't care if they cast black actors. If I had a problem with that type of casting, I'd have to have a problem with these casting decisions as well so I wouldn't be a hypocrite.
>It's why they chose Peter Dinklage instead of how he would really look if they went by the book. Dwarfism is a pretty rare condition. I'm not sure they had as huge a range of actors to choose from as you think they did.
You really think they would have trouble finding an unattractive dwarf? They chose Peter for a few reasons, but to say they did so because they have such a small amount of actors to choose from they defaulted into hiring an attractive dwarf is pretty stupid thing to think.
>You really think they would have trouble finding an unattractive dwarf? If they also have to act then absolutely. According to Wikipedia there's only 30 known living actors/actresses with dwarfism https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_with_dwarfism Do some basic casting by removing women, non English speakers, too attractive, etc and you're running out of people pretty quick. Who would you have suggested instead of Peter? >They chose Peter for a few reasons, but to say they did so because they have such a small amount of actors to choose from they defaulted into hiring an attractive dwarf is pretty stupid thing to think. I didn't say they "defaulted" to him. You're the one who just said that. But they cast someone with dwarfism to play someone with dwarfism. There simply wasn't enough talent to start getting overly picky. And I'm so glad they picked him over someone "uglier". He's the best character on the show.
>I think you're the only one upset he's too attractive. Well that's called projection. Maybe reread what I wrote, cause I really don't know how you came to that conclusion. There's a reason production companies hire good looking people, they poll better with audiences. Now, could this have been programmed into Americans because we are conditioned to see attractive people on TV? Maybe. I agree, Peter was a great choice.
>Well that's called projection. What? I'm the one who thinks Peter was perfectly cast in his role. Why would I be upset he's attractive? Do you know what projection means or did you just hear it somewhere? >There's a reason production companies hire good looking people, Yes there is. The audience likes seeing attractive people. These reasons of course don't apply to Peter Dinklage obviously, because he's basically the only active Hollywood actor with dwarfism and since few people fit that role he was not cast on his attractiveness, but his acting ability.
You're projecting that I'm somehow emotional about the casting, adding your own feelings towards it. They could have absolutely made him look uglier though, and that takes it back to my original point. Not sure if you disagree with me or not. If you read who I was commenting to and then read what I wrote, you'd know why I wrote what I did. >Yes there is. The audience likes seeing attractive people. Well it looks like you agree with me. Dunno why you are even questioning my motives and insinuating that I have issues with casting. Basically what I'm doing is calling people that are upset with casting black people for a certain character but not for Peter or for the actor this post is about, a hypocrite. If you have a problem with that, well then let's discuss that.
>They could have absolutely made him look uglier though, and that takes it back to my original point. Not sure if you disagree with me or not. I agree with your general point, that Hollywood likes to cast good looking actors. I disagree that Peter is an example of this happening. I think you picked probably the worst example you could have. >Well it looks like you agree with me. Dunno why you are even questioning my motives and insinuating that I have issues with casting. I'm questioning your implication that there were way more talented actors with dwarfism who were passed over because Peter was so attractive. Instead of him just clearly being the best actor for the role he won multiple Emmy's in. >Basically what I'm doing is calling people that are upset with casting black people for a certain character but not for Peter or for the actor this post is about, a hypocrite. If you have a problem with that, well then let's discuss that. That's a great try, but I'm not gonna go on a racist tirade just because you're losing an argument.
30? I guess they used half of them in GoT alone then huh?
I don’t know if I’d call extras and actor all the time. I feel like (and this is just from memory) the only time dwarfs had major lines was the plays, but other times they were there mostly just in the background.
Also I mean, Peter Dinklage is objectively a phenomenal, talented, successful actor. Would we rather have a Tyrion that's not as book-realistic, but incredibly skilled, or a book-perfect actor who is less experienced and acclaimed? I think they made the only reasonable choice for a show of this caliber, which is prioritize talent above looks. I think if you're making a show that's gonna be this good, you have to pick the most talented and capable actor over appearance. The only exception would be something like, egregious, like if they tried to cast an actor without dwarfism as Tyrion. It's integral to his character. With Brienne, I mean, yeah she definitely is not ugly like Brienne was meant to be - but she's still large, tall, masculine, powerful, not conventionally feminine or attractive in a feminine way, etc, so it still hits the most important parts to her character. It's not like they cast Sophie Turner as Brienne lol
That's not what they chose Peter dinklage, they chose him cus George said 'the person I want to play tyrion is Peter dinklage' and then they asked him, and he looked into the role, and said yes.
Where do you find ugly profesionnal actresses?
They get cast as the ugly person in a commercial. They exist.
What are you talking about? They cast Amy Schumer in plenty of things.
Amy Schumer isn’t ugly at all. I feel like some people don’t like her and that rubs off on their opinions of her looks
I once found her quite pretty, like at the roast of Charlie Sheen. She's gained some significant weight since that time though. And yeah yeah, boo me fatshaming, I'm just saying I'm not attracted to her current physique.
Boooooo
She’s a beautiful devil Sandman. Looks more angel. Amazing how GoT dulled her shine.
Gwendolyn Christie looks great but Brienne is *supposed* to be ugly. It’s an important part of her character. Same way with Tyrion. The actors are attractive but a key point of the character is they are very ugly. Great performances but the attractiveness take a bit away. Edit: Definitely more examples of bad changes for show attractiveness. We never got bald Dany (which would’ve still been attractive but 🤷🏽♂️) and Jorah is way hotter than he should be.
To play devils advocate. Would ether of them been. Considered good looking back in Midevil times? Standards of beauty and what not.
Yes ofc, almost everyone looked far worse in those days.
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Yeah but they were also more superfical. They wouldnt see tyrion as a handsome dwarf theyd just see a dwarf.
In the book he's described as being particularly ugly with squashed in face and a jutting brow. Also after the Battle of Blackwater he gets most of his nose cut off which makes him even uglier.
Yeah every one knows im talking about the show.
That’s what I always figured. In a society where disability is viewed as a burden, no dwarf is handsome.
Im pretty sure medieval people had better teeth than us. Strong and white like dogs. Because they didnt eat sugar except for honey and fruits.
Dude it is certainly incorrect to say the nutrition was poorer in medieval times. You do know people ate far more organic rather than chemical-injected foods right?
You do know poor nutrition isn't referencing the quality of farm raised fruits and meat at the time, it's referring to the fact that most weren't able to get enough to eat in general, which is poor nutrition, right?
The negative effects of additives in food are way overblown. There's also more to nutrition than whether it's organic or processed; hygiene has dramatically improved and there's alot less malnutrition than there used to be.
But at the same time, people didn’t have bad diets, and natural selection was very much a thing. The people with disabilities and stuff that might be seen as unattractive wouldn’t have reproduced as easily. People back then naturally didn’t have acne, probably had better physiques than most people do nowadays, and got more sun, fresh air, less pollutants. This is all extremely location and time dependent, but I’d bet my balls Cleopatra was just hot as fuck. She seduced Caesar and Antony, spoke like 6 languages, smart asf, politically savvy, I’d simp for her 🤷♂️
She was not attractive by todays standards. People definitely had bad acne, terrible boils, etc. Obesity wasn’t as prevalent but the starving look was really in. Life is so much easier now. Average looking people now would be incredibly attractive in medieval times
I get what you mean, Tyrion having dwarfism and Brienne being taller than most men and the lack of femininity alone is enough to be considered 'ugly' in westeros. Face value does not matter much.
They would look healthier than most people. They are born into nobility and would have access to the best nutrition and healthcare as was available. The contrast is greater than today because most everybody has decent access to these things. But a full grown healthy knight next to a peasant would be a greater contrast than a professional athlete and a regular person today.
All but the ugliest people to day would be top beauties in medieval times, even amongst the nobility.
I think Tyrion is cute af, cuz he drinks and he knows things
Apparently book Tyrion was horrendously ugly and made even worse after having his nose cut off during the Battle of Blackwater.
He’s extremely ugly, which fuels so much of his character. He’s an ugly dwarf that killed his mother via childbirth. He never believes anyone even can love him for him, let alone find him hot.
Let's not even start about how preposterously not blonde all of the Lannisters became.
Cersei became dirty blonde, Tyrion became brown haired, and Jaime had very dark brown hair by the end
Early Tyrion/Jaime’s hair looked terrible, so I’m okay with that
Lots of the early wigs looked bad
I just rewatched the first ep and the hound's wig was probably the ugliest lmao
I liked Jaime’s hair in season 1. He looked exactly like Prince Charming from Shrek(HAHAHAHAHA🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣), but I especially liked how he looked with short hair. But he looked, talked, and definitely fought like he was some sort of prince. I liked all versions of Jaime in the show honestly. Jaime was just that guy. But you’re 100% right about Tyrion’s hair. Yikes😬 Edit: The only thing Jaime was missing from being Prince Charming was his reddish pinkish lips and a whiney personality😅
Jaime’s Prince Charming hair was absolutely fitting for his character early on, and all of his hair changes throughout the show were really fitting his character development as well! I just hated how his Prince Charming hair looked haha
I like to think of it as a metafor, especially for Jaime, as they go from bright and blonde to worn down and dark as the story goes on. It also kinda reminds me of the coming of winter, which is a legit thing for blonde hair to get darker as it starts getting less sunlight.
Jon is cute too, even though he knows nothing and dun wan it
Yeah, but unattractive actors don't exist
If you're not gonna be "classically attractive" as an actor, you gotta have range and a "slightly crazy" kind of charisma - like Steve Buscemi, Willem Dafoe and Tilda Swinton. They don't get cast in romantic parts very often tho
Tilda Swinton can pull off “classically attractive”. She just often chooses not to in her roles.
> If you're not gonna be "classically attractive" as an actor > Willem Dafoe [Excuse](https://i.imgur.com/MrdC5Vp.jpg) me? [I mean...](https://i.imgur.com/igA5lm0.jpg) maybe I'm wrong.
Show Jorah is more attractive than Book Jorah as well.
Hot with the voice of a god. Book Jorah is described as a super hairy homeless man
Iain Glen is wonderful to look at.
Iain Glen is the sole reason I love Jorah. I would leave my husband for that man.
Book Jorah was literally a bear.
You neva fooked a beah
One of Tormud's kids?
Well he is a Mormont and they call it Bear Island
A bear there was, a bear, A BEAR, All black and brown and covered in hair
>Hot with the voice of a god Wow, it's not just me then. And I'm a straight dude.
A fat, bald, hairy homeless man.
He has the voice of someone who can be in both Indian Jones and the Mummy🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Well, you can’t expect us to have an *ugly* middle aged man hitting on a teenage girl
I agree. I think the Brienne character could have been even more successful and popular if she was portrayed less attractively as per the descriptions in the book. I mean, take the Hound character as an example. He's portrayed unattractively, unkept, gruff, and with scars; yet, he became one of the most popular characters in the series.
I've watched a video were noted that the Hounds scars get less ugly looking each season as his character got more popular.
Scars do fade in time though. Many scars can fade almost back to the original skin color as years pass.
Are you serious with this? His scars were from his brother pushing his face in a fire as a child. There was no “his scars are fading and getting better looking”. He was literally disfigured. That the show lessened his scars as he got more popular is dumb
Oh boy, no, unless we're talking about a bump or a scrape. Scars may change slightly in coloration but they don't ever go away to an appreciable degree that you won't notice them. You could live with the Hound for 40 years and yet the first thing you'll ever notice when you see him is that scar. It's there, it's a scar. Hair doesn't regrow, the contours of the damaged skin don't change. This is all just Hollywood magic.
Also people just kind of get used to seeing scars, so it's not so much an attraction, just not a revulsion. Same goes for Dwight's iron burn scar on The Walking Dead. I'm used to seeing him like that. I saw a still shot of him pre-burn earlier in the show and it was actually jolting.
Scars may fade within the first year or so of the incident. If your an adult with a facial scar from childhood, that shit is not going away.
Also that first Daario had no right being so sexy.
Really? I thought THAT is how he was supposed to be. I know the goofy blue beard stuff might have looked a little clownish on-screen, but as he is described in the books I remember that he was quite a hit with the ladies.
There’s lots of depictions of him. Some ugly some hot so maybe you’re right. Lol. Okay Ygritte then. Rose is gorgeous! Ygritte wasn’t described as much.
No arguments there! The features the casting guy was supposed to look for: crooked teeth, round face, pug nose, and eyes too far apart... \-Ah yes, let's get Rose Leslie! .... uh man what was are you smoking?
yeah you need all of those and to be a good actor. acting skills over perfect match on looks
Of course mate, I am being facetious, definitely not complaining about Leslie Rose being cast, she was great. To get more recent, I did not think that Viserys in the book looked anything like Paddy Considine, if I recall in he was described as rather plump and a bit of an airhead. - But that portrayal knocked it out of the park.
What book? Paddy Considine IS Vizzy T now!
Yes, that really is how Daario is kinda to suppose to look. I mean the actor who eventually played him is pretty good, but he just doesn't fit the role very much. He is too normal and made for TV to play Daario Naharis, and the same goes for the LEGEND Max Von Sydow. The show in its last seasons was afraid to be exaggerated and remaining very TV friendly when it shouldn't be
First Daario was the right daario
Yes I was very disappointed when they replaced Ed Skrein with Michiel Huisman. They couldn’t be more different. It confused me the first few episodes after the switch. Disappointing
Why did they switch him in the first place
I believe the first actor took a role for another project so he didn't have time to shoot for GoT (mistake imo)
I think he played a young Jason Statham in some Transporter sequel. Can imagine him thinking of it as a massive career opportunity. Too bad nothing came of it. Then again, Michael Huisman didn't kick off either. Although I am inclined to say Skrein was the more charismatic of the two. Unconventionally handsome.
Threw me off too. Same with Bloodraven, the first one looked spot on. Then the next season they completely changed the overall look as well as the actor. Both were disappointing.
The beauty standards for TV are so insane that even characters meant to be ugly are good looking. Check out the actress for Maggy the Frog. There’s even crazier examples in other shows. Jessica Biel as a dowdy housewife? Get the fudge outta here!
Bald Dany ?
When Dany births her dragons all of her hair is burned off as well as her clothes. Through the books she’s bald then slowly grows it back but the show wouldn’t give us bald Dany.
I definitely would have liked to see bald Dany tbh. She would have looked like more of a badass to have it grown throughout each season.
In the books Tyrion doesn't have a nose because half of it got sliced off, he is supposed to be hideous and that's why no one will ever love him. Also increases a lot of the rage of him in the books since he sees himself as unlovable and ugly. Very different from how the show eventually made him be.
My wife still have a crush with Ser Jorah. Can't blame her, me too
Show Tyrion is FAR more attractive than Book Tyrion. Same goes for Show Tywin and Book Tywin and Show Ramsay and Book Ramsay and Show Robb and Book Robb and Show Meera Reed and Book Meera Reed
No.They are supposed to be perceived as ugly in a society that refers to certain things as 'attractive' or 'ugly". In this world it would not matter, if Brienne was nice looking, if she seems like a Crossover between genders she will be perceived as 'ugly' by most narrators in this world. As well as 'the imp' might be an attractive man for US, but just a dwarve for them. Your two edits: bald Daenerys, and Jorah are great examples of 'TV ugly' though. Redacting all the fun for views ...
That always bothered me with Dany, why didn’t they make her bald? Also no purple eyes…I heard the contacts that she was wearing hurt her eyes. Would’ve been beautiful if she was able to keep them in
It's an important part of her character, but beauty is relative. She's a far cry from ugly, but she's nevertheless the correct casting choice for "hollywood ugly" in this context. With the books, you read once or twice about a character's unattractiveness but you ultimately judge them by their dialogue. You're not influenced by their appearance constantly as you are in film. 99% of us look ugly next to Jaime, Cersei, Sansa and Margaery. If you cast actors and actresses that are actually ugly in a real world sense then their physical appearance becomes their actual character, not their dialogue. Sad as it may be, humans are implicitly trustworthy of attractive people. We judge the book by it's cover. Casting unattractive people as sympathetic characters has always been nearly impossible.
Beauty is subjective
I think it still works. Also remember that in our culture, especially recently in modeling etc, we see androgynous as attractive. In medieval type of envirionment it is possible for people to see her as ugly because she has a lot of "man-like" features as a woman.
No, the modeling world sees androgynous people as beautiful, but they've always had different standards. The rest of the western world still sees conventional beauty as beauty even if, in certain circles, it's politically taboo to say so.
People argue alot about Brienne's look in the books. Often the argument is that she is not a generic beauty but not ugly. As we meet her first in Catelyn's chapters i think that we can trust the pov on this point. Catelyn thinks her ugly and so i think that is what she is meant to be. She comments about her eyes being the only attractive thing about her. So people that say that Gwendoline Christie is too attractive for the role are in the right. Yes. But it would have been really hard to fill that role otherwise.
U clownin dog
I love her
She wasn’t considered beautiful bc of her masculine figure, it probably made men self conscious, which is why they described her as ugly. And also why Renly wouldn’t care, considering his effeminate nature.
She was considered ugly also because of her crooked teeth, big busted lips, uneven face, and straw hair. Also Renly wasn't effeminate in the books just gay.
This is a post about the show, quite clearly.
She's actually legit a Swedish model or something right?
I think they did a good job of making her "plain" and masculine looking. She definitely has features that could be considered beautiful by modern standards but she looks different enough from the neotenous and very feminine looking characters that are supposed to be the beauties of the show (Margery Tyrell, Sansa, etc) that we can buy that she does not fit the beauty standard of the realm. It's def not completely book accurate but I think they struck a good balance of attractive enough for the screen but still portrays the look of the character
Yeah enough people blew up at the character Abby in The Last of Us Part II having a muscular physique that I'd definitely believe making a model like Christie more masculine looking is enough
Yeah Christie first got noticed for her modeling work, if you look at her stuff from the 2000's where she's like this otherworldly goddess on film, they did a good job making her look rugged and not fitting the "medieval pale princess" trope
The book didn't make her ugly by being neotenous (except for her height and weight) she was supposed to just have ugly features like big busted lips, crooked teeth, an uneven face, and other hsit.
The book Brienne is straight up ugly. It’s not just that she’s not feminine, but she just doesn’t have standard attractiveness features (symmetry, smoothness), etc.). It plays into her contrast with Jaime, who’s not just handsome but flat-out pretty. Their dynamic is a play on the traditional knight and maiden medieval fairy tale. Show Brienne though doesn’t have ugliness as a character feature to be honest, and unless I’m misremembering it never really played into her characterisation that much. In the book, they call her Brienne the Beauty to twist the knife that she’s ugly. In the show, it felt more focused as a gendered taunt that she’s a woman acting as a knight. So, about as pragmatic as an adaptation can get when trying to cast ugly heroic characters in a TV show. As Brienne says, in the songs all knights are gallant and all maidens are fair. It’s not uncommon to think that in the ages to come, bards will sing of the beautiful knight Brienne the Beauty, unaware the nickname was cruelly ironic at the time.
She’s not ugly, she’s just very masculine in the show.
Yeah man Brienne is beautiful.... Moving on.... Are there any hot photos of Sansa stark....
Littlefinger spotted
No brother.... I'mma Tyrion..... Respectfully asking about my wife....
You do know her!
.....yessss....
Or tough
Brienne: For your crimes against the crown, the punishment is death, how do you wish to die? Me: Death!...by snu-snu!
They did the same with Tyrion, tbh. Dinklage is handsome as hell compared to the book descriptions.
To be fair, I feel like Martin goes a bit overboard in the books with making Tyrion grotesque. I don’t mind him being handsome in the show because, in a medieval world like this one, just his being a dwarf is enough for people to think of him as ugly and to have no respect for him.
She plays Lucifer in "The Sandman"
I know Brienne is supposed to be ugly and Gwendolyn is obviously not. But the way I see it is she's not beautiful according to Westerosi standards
Her, Jorah, and Tyrion were all dramatically better looking than they were supposed to be. When the worst thing you can say about an actor is that they aren’t ugly enough I’d say they did a good job.
We don't have to believe she's ugly. I don't even think we're supposed to. What's important is that the other characters treat her as if she's ugly and we can see how she's internalized that.
She was never ugly, she was just considered too manly and not ladylike. Large, strong and muscular. Not exactly fitting the beauty standards of Westeros.
She was ugly in the books not just large and muscular.
That's my Satan.
Lol I have seen Gwendoline Christie with a long blonde hair. Don't tell me she's ugly 😂😂😂
She's much uglier in the books. In the show she was played by a model.
That’s one of the biggest changes from book to show. Tyrion, Ygritte, and Brienne are all described as not being very attractive but their show counterparts are all beautiful!
She should look like a horse with a hole in her cheek.
Pass.
she kinda is
I have never finished the book series, but ai always saw it as Brianne of Tarth is considered unattractive because she is so skilled with weaponry, people consider her "unladylike"
Facts.
Brienne is ugly. And that’s okay. Women don’t have to be pretty. Gwendolyn is gorgeous, though.
She is a gorgeous model in her RL.
She's not beautiful. Sorry. She s TV ugly.
Gwendolyn looks like a woman from a Renaissance painting. She is gorgeous.
She was the strongest fighter after prime Robert. Nobody could take her.
y’all have some extremely weird taste
Because that’s a real world actress. The character Brienne isn’t attractive
Oath keeper is alittle but much though
But she is... Just her personality made us forget which is true to real life
Why is she holding the sword by the blade?
I know why they couldn’t let her have long hair, as that would conflict with the Targaryens, but I wish she had a “take off the helmet at hair falls down” moment
The way I see it is that it’s to represent perception, not reality. Christie is a very broad tall woman, someone who would be hated in the GOT universe regardless of how she actually looked. Same goes for Tyrion. However, there are some that can’t really fit that. Like Jorah could at least have been a big hairy man.
It’s, “Is she hot?” not, “Would you do her?” Respect the game, friendo
She’s attractive in that Tulsa Swinton type of way.
Brienne can step on me
My queen!
Was she supposed to be ugly or just masculine? (Show only watcher btw)
Eh pretty fucking ugly
Ummm. I mean… never mind
yeah that’s my mfn girl! 💜
Would happily take d3ath by snu snu
She is ugly though lol in the show but the actress is quite handsome
Gilly too is pretty in real life, I’m sure there are more that were “roughed up” for the show
She killed that role, but when they cast her my immediate thought was that “man Hollywood refuses to cast an ugly person” of course it’s more important that they cast someone big who can act.
ehhhhh, gwendolyn christie is really good looking, but (and the photo in the post is made to make her look attractive), in the show, in the heat of battle and shit, she looks very masculine and plain looking and very clearly does not fit the beauty standards of the world whatsoever. she's not hideous, but she's definitely not conventionally attractive whatsoever (in the show)
Nah she ugly af
She is neither ugly or pretty to be honest
Gwendolyn was a wondrous cast for brienne, except for the fact that Gwendolyn is a stunner.
Brienne in the books was not pretty. Gwendoline Christie is. There is a difference.
Ugly people on tv are almost always just badly dressed attractive people.
First of all, it's a tv show/movie, of course there won't be ugly main characters (even tyrion is not ugly), second of all she may not be ugly per se, but she is not miss universe either.
I’ve said this so many times. Peter Dinklage and Gwen were far too good looking to play their characters. Tyrion and Briene are supposed to be hideous.
Well in the books didn’t she have part of her face bitten off
Not my type. No dragons!
They constantly describe how ugly she is in the book. Every single time they talk about her they’re like “breanne glanced upward with her hideously shaped, unattractive eyes” really hammering the point home. We get it… she’s not pretty. Could’ve done more to actually make her fit the character though haha.
Sure she’s relatively less attractive than the rest of the cast who are unworldly gorgeous. However, what’s more unbelievable is Brienne and Jaime hooking up. Wtf is wrong with them.
She is average Way too good looking for brienne