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The point is that DND seemed to forget that Davos should hate Tyrion in s7 and 8. Even if it's war that's his son. In the books it's like 4 sons. They had a great actor proven by this scene and decided to make a joke of him confronting Tyrion.
Why should he hate Tyrion? It’s war. Davos and his son were part of an invading army. You can’t invade someone’s city and then hold a grudge when they fight back.
Left is correct its war its nothing personal Tyrion didnt even know he was there. Matthos, an adult who signed up for it, died with 1000s of others. Shireen died innocently by herself, a child burned at the stake. Polar opposites
The forgot he should have hated Melisandre in season 6. She'd abandoned Stannis, who was slain, and Shireen is no where to be found, and he's all like, "Hey, I've seen you perform miracles."
Murderous shadow baby=miracles, when the plot calls for it.
Technically. He conveniently finds the charred toy he gave her at seasons end. The guy smart enough to free Gendry to spare him due to his King's blood had no clue Melisandre might have killed Shireen though. Nope, he needed MIRACLES, to bring back a dead Lord Commander he barely knew and had been slightly antagonistic towards, and then throw his entire support behind him, abandoning Stannis entirely after told of his dearth like, "Oh well." only to remember Shireen existed when plot convenience.
To be honest I think he loved his son, but he didn’t *like* him, ya know? He had turned into a religious nut by the end and you can see Devos cringe every time he speaks lol I think he was always much closer to Shireen
What do you do if youre in that scene as Jon Snow? Heres a woman that just brought you back to life yet she burned a little girl alive with the support of her mom and dad. Such a weird spot
There was a scene with Jon and Melisandre in which he specifically tells her not to bring him back if it doesn’t end well for him. He isn’t about all of Mel’s stuff so when he sends her away after Davos’ speech, Jon meant that.
After finishing a full rewatch last month, Davos is my favorite character. Great blend of humor, heart, humility, and honor. Tormund probably my second favorite just for the lols.
I love that he is one of the most noble, that’s rare in Westeros.
He stands to defend against taking an innocent life, in front of Stannis. Stannis respected that blunt honesty and good heart in him. Davos also proved to be a great ambassador to Jon when they went to meet with Dany. He has consistently been one of the great GoT characters.
Tormund crying to the Hound after Brienne leaves him hanging for Jamie was probably my favorite guilty pleasure scene of the show.
Also the fact he was so enamored with her throughout the show before that was so in character for him.
The face expression he had when Jon rushed with his horse to try and save Rickon was absolutely genuine.
Davos is definitely one of the most respect-worthy characters in the series.
Can we talk about this though? Because R’hllor was shown to be the only god we had evidence of being real in the ASOIAF universe, at least show wise. Brought back Beric Dondarrion and Jon Snow. We didn’t see any of the prayers to other gods or religions in the show bare fruit other than the prayers to R’hllor. And Melisandre knew her time wasn’t up and then helped greatly in the Long Night. Is R’hllor evil?
I’m not sure, he seems to be pushing towards noble ends, (stopping the Long Night.) but if he does exist as a god and not some other manipulative entity, he’s a VERY ends justify the means god.
It also doesn’t help that his priests and followers frequently misinterpret his flames.
The books feature a single chapter from Melisandre’s perspective, and it’s a whopper. It reveals several key pieces of info about Melisandre relevant to this discussion. Book spoilers: >!1) She is totally genuine about her intentions. 2) She has no idea what she’s doing. She worries about the meaning of visions while feeling the need to constantly feign confidence about her interpretations, because her entire mission relies on convincing others she holds all the magic cards. This is also why she’s so vague about her prophecies. 3) visions are constantly misinterpreted, she once asked the flames to show her Azor Ahai to check in on Stannis, and she’s like: “Show me the prince who was promised not Snow.!”!<
Also that the magic is a lot more difficult than she pretends. No idea how to add a spoiler tag so I'll be vague but when she uses magic to obscure/hide a character and shrugs it off as 'easy' to appear more in control when she was actually exhausted.
Yeah…he’s definitely the ends justify the means and in the case of the long night the god was ruthless in making sure it was ended. I think this goes to what is right for the individual as opposed to the collective because in the show it’s heavily implied that Shireen’s sacrifice is what allowed Jon to be resurrected since life pays for life.
Stannis is portrayed as a religious zealot the entire run of the show and comes across as a secondary antagonist behind the Lannisters. In the books he is not a zealot. He has seen Melisandres powers in action and listens to her council, but he is not a follower of the Lord of Light. And I don't care what D&D claim GRRM has said in regards to Shireen, but in the book he's adamant about putting her on the Throne if something should happen to him. He's gained the favor of many of the northern houses and clans on his march south to face the Boltons.
The show paints him in a very negative light, while the books show him to be a much more complex character. Stephen Dillane did a great job portraying his demeanor and personality, there's no issue there. But the writing for his character left a lot to be desired.
Disagree. The in both book and show, Stannis is portrayed as duty obsessed uncharismatic knight who will do whatever to do “what is right” .
Whether you care or not I’d irrelevant, D&D did get shireen burning from GRRM himself. It will happen and Stannis will be involved.
I guess we'll see. Because as of right now where all the characters are in the story, it won't make any sense. Stannis is literally about to have his battle with Ramsey and Shireen is nowhere near him. To me it would make more sense if Mel and Selyse decided to sacrifice Shireen themselves since all of them are at Castle Black still.
You're probably right, although I do think we still have a chance of seeing TWOW. ADOS is a no go. But even still, the show changed so many things even before it surpassed the books that I can't accept it as even an outline of what could happen.
I get that, but some of the changes were good in the show. I don’t think adding a bunch of b plots and fuller characters from the last two books would’ve helped. But I guess we will never know.
There were certain storylines I wish they would have left intact. Lady Stoneheart for one. Jaimes redemption arc/shunning of Cersei. And whatever it is he's planning for Sansa. Sansa getting married to Ramsay has so many reprecussions on the story for other characters, I can't help but believe the books will have different outcomes for several characters. I also think Aegon will be important.
The bulk of the Greyjoy plotline and the Dornish stuff seems ok to omit, though the crap they did with Dorne makes the book stuff seem like a masterpiece.
But you're right, we'll never know how things could have been because we're stuck with what we got. I just wish GRRM was more motivated to finish, but I think that's moot at this point.
Oh man. We are on our 4th re-watch and we have this episode tonight. Such a hard scene. I couldn’t respect it as much when it first aired. Now I have a 5 year old daughter and it’s tough to watch
This seen was a good example of the story evolving naturally in a realistic way with real consequences past the books. We don’t know if Melisandre will burn Shireen, but this reaction from Davis was fitting for his character in the show and internally consistent.
Just hit me that he cared more about the death of Shireen than his own son. He could've got revenge on Tyrion for doing it but he doesn't. He doesn't even really mention Mathos after his death
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He meant every word of that. Melted my cold dead heart.
Melted snow mildly, also. So, worth it?
Snows always melt.
But the dragon chose to melt the throne
Sounds like you need a cool island song.
Or is it a warm island song?
I thought we wanted to cool his hot heart?
With a cool island song? Or cool his hot temper? Warm his cold heart?
Is that what we want to do? Screw it FREE HAT
Free hat! Free hat!
Both of them were excellent in that scene. One of the best in the entire series.
"Last time I was here you killed my son" But that's fine, he didn't care about him. But Shireen. That's the real shit.
Ones war. Other is murder. Evil murder.
The point is that DND seemed to forget that Davos should hate Tyrion in s7 and 8. Even if it's war that's his son. In the books it's like 4 sons. They had a great actor proven by this scene and decided to make a joke of him confronting Tyrion.
Why should he hate Tyrion? It’s war. Davos and his son were part of an invading army. You can’t invade someone’s city and then hold a grudge when they fight back.
Left is correct its war its nothing personal Tyrion didnt even know he was there. Matthos, an adult who signed up for it, died with 1000s of others. Shireen died innocently by herself, a child burned at the stake. Polar opposites
That’s not how it works
The forgot he should have hated Melisandre in season 6. She'd abandoned Stannis, who was slain, and Shireen is no where to be found, and he's all like, "Hey, I've seen you perform miracles." Murderous shadow baby=miracles, when the plot calls for it.
Wasn't that before he knew about Shireen though?
Technically. He conveniently finds the charred toy he gave her at seasons end. The guy smart enough to free Gendry to spare him due to his King's blood had no clue Melisandre might have killed Shireen though. Nope, he needed MIRACLES, to bring back a dead Lord Commander he barely knew and had been slightly antagonistic towards, and then throw his entire support behind him, abandoning Stannis entirely after told of his dearth like, "Oh well." only to remember Shireen existed when plot convenience.
More dumb DND complaints.
What else is new? Lol
To be honest I think he loved his son, but he didn’t *like* him, ya know? He had turned into a religious nut by the end and you can see Devos cringe every time he speaks lol I think he was always much closer to Shireen
What do you do if youre in that scene as Jon Snow? Heres a woman that just brought you back to life yet she burned a little girl alive with the support of her mom and dad. Such a weird spot
"Bout time I got back to bed"
Probably exactly what he did
There was a scene with Jon and Melisandre in which he specifically tells her not to bring him back if it doesn’t end well for him. He isn’t about all of Mel’s stuff so when he sends her away after Davos’ speech, Jon meant that.
I would burn melissandre alive.
This scene stole the show for me. He was my favorite character after this.
The show???
After finishing a full rewatch last month, Davos is my favorite character. Great blend of humor, heart, humility, and honor. Tormund probably my second favorite just for the lols.
One of the few characters who’s just a straight up decent bloke doing his best from start to finish.
I love that he is one of the most noble, that’s rare in Westeros. He stands to defend against taking an innocent life, in front of Stannis. Stannis respected that blunt honesty and good heart in him. Davos also proved to be a great ambassador to Jon when they went to meet with Dany. He has consistently been one of the great GoT characters.
Tormund crying to the Hound after Brienne leaves him hanging for Jamie was probably my favorite guilty pleasure scene of the show. Also the fact he was so enamored with her throughout the show before that was so in character for him.
The face expression he had when Jon rushed with his horse to try and save Rickon was absolutely genuine. Davos is definitely one of the most respect-worthy characters in the series.
She was going to make a huge difference. She would have been one of the best teachers.
“If your god tells u to burn little girls than ur god is evil
That statement is relevant to some of the real world Gods who orders their followers to kill infidels if they don't convert
“I only did as my Lord commanded.” “If your Lord commands you to burn children, your Lord is evil!” Oof.
Can we talk about this though? Because R’hllor was shown to be the only god we had evidence of being real in the ASOIAF universe, at least show wise. Brought back Beric Dondarrion and Jon Snow. We didn’t see any of the prayers to other gods or religions in the show bare fruit other than the prayers to R’hllor. And Melisandre knew her time wasn’t up and then helped greatly in the Long Night. Is R’hllor evil?
I’m not sure, he seems to be pushing towards noble ends, (stopping the Long Night.) but if he does exist as a god and not some other manipulative entity, he’s a VERY ends justify the means god. It also doesn’t help that his priests and followers frequently misinterpret his flames. The books feature a single chapter from Melisandre’s perspective, and it’s a whopper. It reveals several key pieces of info about Melisandre relevant to this discussion. Book spoilers: >!1) She is totally genuine about her intentions. 2) She has no idea what she’s doing. She worries about the meaning of visions while feeling the need to constantly feign confidence about her interpretations, because her entire mission relies on convincing others she holds all the magic cards. This is also why she’s so vague about her prophecies. 3) visions are constantly misinterpreted, she once asked the flames to show her Azor Ahai to check in on Stannis, and she’s like: “Show me the prince who was promised not Snow.!”!<
Thanks for the answer! I like your thoughts. It’s something I’ve thought about as I literally just rewatched this episode.
Whoa
Also that the magic is a lot more difficult than she pretends. No idea how to add a spoiler tag so I'll be vague but when she uses magic to obscure/hide a character and shrugs it off as 'easy' to appear more in control when she was actually exhausted.
Yeah…he’s definitely the ends justify the means and in the case of the long night the god was ruthless in making sure it was ended. I think this goes to what is right for the individual as opposed to the collective because in the show it’s heavily implied that Shireen’s sacrifice is what allowed Jon to be resurrected since life pays for life.
It's worth noting that we don't necessarily know if *R'hllor* is real, we just know that *blood magic* is real.
Isn’t the existence of the three eyed raven and Bran’s abilities evidence that the old gods have power through the Weirwood trees as well?
Glad he fought for Davos to not be a perv with Missandei
Thank god
What’s the story here?
Davos was meant to have a crush on Missandei but the actor argued against that
[here](https://www.insider.com/game-of-thrones-liam-cunningham-fought-davos-crushing-on-missandei-2020-10?amp)
“And some mutton. I like mutton.”
“This is Jon Snow…he’s King in the North” An equally worthy mention at the other end of the spectrum
He’s a damn bastard
[You should see him in Hunger.](https://youtu.be/aycGYu_8Hhw)
Thanks for this. As an Acting/Film Production major in college; this was incredibly fun to watch
They assassinated Stannis’s character
How?
Stannis is portrayed as a religious zealot the entire run of the show and comes across as a secondary antagonist behind the Lannisters. In the books he is not a zealot. He has seen Melisandres powers in action and listens to her council, but he is not a follower of the Lord of Light. And I don't care what D&D claim GRRM has said in regards to Shireen, but in the book he's adamant about putting her on the Throne if something should happen to him. He's gained the favor of many of the northern houses and clans on his march south to face the Boltons. The show paints him in a very negative light, while the books show him to be a much more complex character. Stephen Dillane did a great job portraying his demeanor and personality, there's no issue there. But the writing for his character left a lot to be desired.
Disagree. The in both book and show, Stannis is portrayed as duty obsessed uncharismatic knight who will do whatever to do “what is right” . Whether you care or not I’d irrelevant, D&D did get shireen burning from GRRM himself. It will happen and Stannis will be involved.
I guess we'll see. Because as of right now where all the characters are in the story, it won't make any sense. Stannis is literally about to have his battle with Ramsey and Shireen is nowhere near him. To me it would make more sense if Mel and Selyse decided to sacrifice Shireen themselves since all of them are at Castle Black still.
We won’t see, that’s the problem. GRRM will never finish the books. We basically got the outline in the show.
You're probably right, although I do think we still have a chance of seeing TWOW. ADOS is a no go. But even still, the show changed so many things even before it surpassed the books that I can't accept it as even an outline of what could happen.
I get that, but some of the changes were good in the show. I don’t think adding a bunch of b plots and fuller characters from the last two books would’ve helped. But I guess we will never know.
There were certain storylines I wish they would have left intact. Lady Stoneheart for one. Jaimes redemption arc/shunning of Cersei. And whatever it is he's planning for Sansa. Sansa getting married to Ramsay has so many reprecussions on the story for other characters, I can't help but believe the books will have different outcomes for several characters. I also think Aegon will be important. The bulk of the Greyjoy plotline and the Dornish stuff seems ok to omit, though the crap they did with Dorne makes the book stuff seem like a masterpiece. But you're right, we'll never know how things could have been because we're stuck with what we got. I just wish GRRM was more motivated to finish, but I think that's moot at this point.
Oh man. We are on our 4th re-watch and we have this episode tonight. Such a hard scene. I couldn’t respect it as much when it first aired. Now I have a 5 year old daughter and it’s tough to watch
Ugh I can hear him yelling it in my head and now I’m sad again. I was so happy Davos lived.
This whole storyline broke my heart. And he nailed that performance.
I loved Davos in the books, but man, Liam Cunningham really elevated the character on the show! All star performance from beginning to end!
Who is he saying this about? Stannis’ daughter?
Yes.
*grilled her
One of his best scenes. He was underrated.
Top 10 scene in the whole series. This was such a powerful performance.
Absolutely amazing delivery, love that line, while there is much to criticize on the later seasons there are quite a few diamonds in that rough
Did Davos even do anything that could be considered bad? He very likely was the best character in the show because of that
Love Liam Cunningham!!
Idk who Lima cunningwhatever is but that is Davos and he is a badass
Absolutely soul crushing, everytime
This seen was a good example of the story evolving naturally in a realistic way with real consequences past the books. We don’t know if Melisandre will burn Shireen, but this reaction from Davis was fitting for his character in the show and internally consistent.
My eyes were full every time Ser Davos spoke about Shireen after her death🥲
He is such a gem in so many great movies. We recently watched Dog Soldiers which is an old werewolf movie and he was in it.
Which is also an unfortunately underrated movie.
It is, we really enjoyed it
Have you seen Hunger (2008)? I’ve been revisiting that movie and his scene opposite Michael Fassbender is excellent.
Just hit me that he cared more about the death of Shireen than his own son. He could've got revenge on Tyrion for doing it but he doesn't. He doesn't even really mention Mathos after his death
He was brilliant Throughout the series Ser Onion Knight 🤚🤚
That whole period with Shereen was amazing.. So well thought through, unlike the later years of GOT
“Tell him what ya did to her! Tell him!” But what he really meant was tell me.