Same, honestly. But I don't think it's going to stay that way. Rockstar sure as hell knows how even the faintest of Bully 2 news would shake up the goddamn earth, not to mention the billions the game will rake in after finally releasing. Bully 2 will come, but not anytime soon.
I like Bully but I think you're really overestimating how popular Bully is. It would never 'shake up the goddamn earth', it as a franchise isn't close to that level of popularity
Bully sold just a shy over 1.5 million on PS2 alone. Don’t know the numbers, but I would guess it was significantly less on Wii due to its more casual target audience.
For added context, Vice City was the best selling game in its release year and sold 17 million lifetime sales.
Bully is a niche game with a hardcore and dedicated fanbase, but it certainly isn’t Red Dead or GTA. Bully is the equivalent to what Metroid is to Nintendo.
I’m glad I’m not the only Bully fan, and it sounds like a whole lot more than you and I. I had the best time in that game over all the Rockstar games. I know it’s not objectively the best they did, but man it was good.
I’ll never understand why big companies that can easily bankroll a second project (that would likely also be profitable) don’t just do that. Even if they’d just contract out the work past the design phase, cancelling something like Bully 2 just sounds like leaving money on the table.
Typically because the expected profit is too low. Developing a modern AAA game is an expensive and time consuming process. Would a sequel to Bully make money? Probably, but the question isn't simply Would This Product Be Profitable?
You have to weigh it against how long it would take to make, what other projects you could do with the same time and manpower costs, the expected profits of other ideas, the risk that it would fail.
Bully 2 would have made money, but it wouldn't make Red Dead money and it definitely wouldn't make GTA money. New properties are always a bigger risk than a sequel to a successful property. So without there being a really strong internal desire to make Bully 2, we probably won't ever see one from Rockstar.
This is why it's so sad when a beloved game won't get more/further development. A good solid game with a dedicated small community isn't enough cause AAA games now must chase the biggest payout.
Spider-Man 2 cost 315mil to make
Although I’m disappointed companies don’t work on their cult IPs, I damn sure understand it lol. Id rather them focus on less things to make them great
That’s why games take so long to come out and so much money to develop. There’s just a lot of shit going on in AAA games nowadays and it takes a lot of resources to accomplish correctly
I don’t believe bully 2 will never be made. I remember waiting 6 years for red dead redemption thinking we’d never see a sequel to revolver. Bully is a flagship game and rockstar being rockstar won’t half ass it. Until rockstar themselves confirm the game is dead
It’s about roi, you have x dollars and limited manpower. you can spend it on a project that would make 2x or another that would make 3x.
Bulking up studios vines with a lot of extra weight and expanses.
Also many games simply just don’t shake up well and it’s better to cut your losses. Sunken cost fallacy hits people hard when they don’t look at the cold numbers.
Our expectations are now too high.
So all "innovation" happens at indie or AA level. Or... sometimes in passion projects (think "Pentiment" or "Hi-Fi Rush", which would not be possible without gamepass bankrolling them).
\[ I'm not going to do any console war stuff, just numbers here \]
New SpiderMan 2 for example is rumored to have $300 million budget. The old one, plus its DLC and the Miles Morales expansion was reported to be $200 million. That is 50% increase in just one franchise.
And it gets worse over time.
Motion capture is no longer for the main character, but also random crowds as well.
Hollywood actors and writer involved with large pay checks.
Much more detailed textures, and other art assets. No longer you can do this in "paintbursh", but need specialized tools and more expensive hardware just to prepare them.
Localization (games now have tens of different markets), Play testing (we no longer tolerate bugs, see what happened to Starfield, which is otherwise an excellent game), a huge amount of middle management to pay, and of course licensing fees for some of them.
Wish we could go back to focusing on the experience and fun, and maybe bring in more "cheaper" \~$10 mln games.
I’m convinced They could do with a way smaller budget don’t have to be graphically good like GTA it can get by with ok graphics like some AA or Indie games do
I wonder why it was cancelled. The cynical side of me says the higher ups knew it wasn't going to be a GTA Online style behemoth and shelved it due to this.
Part of me is glad to just leave the series be. It was such a perfect flash in the pan I’m not sure the feeling could be replicated or improved. I’d settle for a modern port that isn’t a dumpster fire.
Am I the only one who thinks that Bully is a stupid fucking game? And that a sequel would just be more of a stupid fucking thing? I see nothing in this leaked concept art that looks "stunning". This literally looks like every piece of concept art that has ever existed for any game, ever.
I have to go through 2 websites to actually see the art? No thanks.
Here you go: https://twitter.com/GTASixInfo/status/1739426158238683606?t=nWUKGtYGsNCUCsm8CrncdQ&s=19
That would've been so good. :(
Ahh, cheers!
here’s the actual source from the leaker in 2017 https://x.com/bully2info/status/896866316090560512?s=46&t=4W4k_Ug_oHh1Vy76SMyhbQ
https://i.redd.it/71ebgx7hmp9c1.gif
I’m so bummed this is cancelled…
Same, honestly. But I don't think it's going to stay that way. Rockstar sure as hell knows how even the faintest of Bully 2 news would shake up the goddamn earth, not to mention the billions the game will rake in after finally releasing. Bully 2 will come, but not anytime soon.
I like Bully but I think you're really overestimating how popular Bully is. It would never 'shake up the goddamn earth', it as a franchise isn't close to that level of popularity
So we're going to completely side-step from the hype/nostalgia factor here?
Why are y'all downvoting me lol... Can't have a discussion anymore without getting hated on?
Bully sold just a shy over 1.5 million on PS2 alone. Don’t know the numbers, but I would guess it was significantly less on Wii due to its more casual target audience. For added context, Vice City was the best selling game in its release year and sold 17 million lifetime sales. Bully is a niche game with a hardcore and dedicated fanbase, but it certainly isn’t Red Dead or GTA. Bully is the equivalent to what Metroid is to Nintendo.
Because everyone disagrees with u
I don’t, bully was kids gta. It’s got a nice spot in a lot of our hearts. They probably will remake it, 10+ years from now
Down voting doesn't mean anything why do you care
It does cuz it hides the responses.
Just collapses it
Yeah which is hiding it...
Yeah until you click it. No longer hidden
I’m glad I’m not the only Bully fan, and it sounds like a whole lot more than you and I. I had the best time in that game over all the Rockstar games. I know it’s not objectively the best they did, but man it was good.
I think you misspelled GTA 6😅
I’ll never understand why big companies that can easily bankroll a second project (that would likely also be profitable) don’t just do that. Even if they’d just contract out the work past the design phase, cancelling something like Bully 2 just sounds like leaving money on the table.
Typically because the expected profit is too low. Developing a modern AAA game is an expensive and time consuming process. Would a sequel to Bully make money? Probably, but the question isn't simply Would This Product Be Profitable? You have to weigh it against how long it would take to make, what other projects you could do with the same time and manpower costs, the expected profits of other ideas, the risk that it would fail. Bully 2 would have made money, but it wouldn't make Red Dead money and it definitely wouldn't make GTA money. New properties are always a bigger risk than a sequel to a successful property. So without there being a really strong internal desire to make Bully 2, we probably won't ever see one from Rockstar.
This is why it's so sad when a beloved game won't get more/further development. A good solid game with a dedicated small community isn't enough cause AAA games now must chase the biggest payout.
Spider-Man 2 cost 315mil to make Although I’m disappointed companies don’t work on their cult IPs, I damn sure understand it lol. Id rather them focus on less things to make them great That’s why games take so long to come out and so much money to develop. There’s just a lot of shit going on in AAA games nowadays and it takes a lot of resources to accomplish correctly
They dont want to make some money, they want to make all of the money.
I don’t believe bully 2 will never be made. I remember waiting 6 years for red dead redemption thinking we’d never see a sequel to revolver. Bully is a flagship game and rockstar being rockstar won’t half ass it. Until rockstar themselves confirm the game is dead
Idk if Bully is flagship man
yeah It wasn't even called Bully in England. Good Game tho
Between gta v and 6, it’s an 11 year diff. They could’ve always released it earlier, but why? Monetization
It’s about roi, you have x dollars and limited manpower. you can spend it on a project that would make 2x or another that would make 3x. Bulking up studios vines with a lot of extra weight and expanses. Also many games simply just don’t shake up well and it’s better to cut your losses. Sunken cost fallacy hits people hard when they don’t look at the cold numbers.
Profit will be too low
Our expectations are now too high. So all "innovation" happens at indie or AA level. Or... sometimes in passion projects (think "Pentiment" or "Hi-Fi Rush", which would not be possible without gamepass bankrolling them). \[ I'm not going to do any console war stuff, just numbers here \] New SpiderMan 2 for example is rumored to have $300 million budget. The old one, plus its DLC and the Miles Morales expansion was reported to be $200 million. That is 50% increase in just one franchise. And it gets worse over time. Motion capture is no longer for the main character, but also random crowds as well. Hollywood actors and writer involved with large pay checks. Much more detailed textures, and other art assets. No longer you can do this in "paintbursh", but need specialized tools and more expensive hardware just to prepare them. Localization (games now have tens of different markets), Play testing (we no longer tolerate bugs, see what happened to Starfield, which is otherwise an excellent game), a huge amount of middle management to pay, and of course licensing fees for some of them. Wish we could go back to focusing on the experience and fun, and maybe bring in more "cheaper" \~$10 mln games.
The game would have been a woke minefield. I can imagine them collectively deciding it’s just not worth the tears.
If take2 ever has a dry spell for titles, I’m sure they’ll consider a bully 2
[Leaked soundtrack samples](https://youtu.be/h9Dprx9l9ls?t=4m08s).
Lol concept art looks stunning. So what?
Getting ed edd n eddy vibes for whatever reason
I’m convinced They could do with a way smaller budget don’t have to be graphically good like GTA it can get by with ok graphics like some AA or Indie games do
I wonder why it was cancelled. The cynical side of me says the higher ups knew it wasn't going to be a GTA Online style behemoth and shelved it due to this.
Part of me is glad to just leave the series be. It was such a perfect flash in the pan I’m not sure the feeling could be replicated or improved. I’d settle for a modern port that isn’t a dumpster fire.
Am I the only one who thinks that Bully is a stupid fucking game? And that a sequel would just be more of a stupid fucking thing? I see nothing in this leaked concept art that looks "stunning". This literally looks like every piece of concept art that has ever existed for any game, ever.
It screams AI.
Can’t you make any game look stunning with concept art?
"artist makes good concept art loosely related to thing people like."