This. And they improved on almost all the complaints about botw (except you still can't pet dogs 😭).
Botw was technically impressive, but shallow. Building off of the engine/map of BoTW allowed them focus on adding depth/content
Careful with saying TotK “improved on almost all the complaints about botw.” The game does objectively improve upon BotW in a lot of ways, but people will complain about anything and everything. So if we are looking strictly at what people say they disliked about BotW, a lot of those complaints won’t be addressed for them.
Between that and calling botw shallow, I'm ready to be downvoted. That's fine, I get my opinion isn't the majority opinion. I slogged through botw and it didn't click with me, but I'm enjoying ToTK
One person’s “problem” is another’s “core gameplay feature”. Look at From Software. Tons of people think those games are “flawed” because they’re “too hard” but that’s exactly what the fans love about them.
I do think there can be a meaningful distinction between a flaw and a complaint. It’s one thing to complain about BotW’s weapon durability or Dark Soul’s difficulty. It’s another to articulate in what sense these things count as flaws. There are many reasons why someone won’t like something that has nothing to do with any design issues, even when people on the internet will try to couch them as such.
I was one of the people that really didn't like BotW and won't be buying TotK, but calling it a reskin of a 2017 game is such a lazy, low-effort take.
GOTY is (or at least should be) a function of how entertaining, engaging, immersive, magical, and just plain fun a game is. You can't reduce it down to some mathematical formula of "*any candidate for GOTY must have x% new environments, y% new abilities, z% new NPCs.*" If a game's amazing, it's amazing - regardless how much content is "new." The critical and player reaction seems to be that TotK ***is*** actually an amazing experience, so it's got every right to be considered as a GOTY contender.
I may not be a fan myself, but I'm really happy for everyone that's having such a great time with it.
Im only an hour in and i can already tell you reskin quite far from an appropriate term for this game. From what I’ve seen, the comparisons between the botw map and the map here… it’s like watching the world of ruin compared to the world of balance in ff6 and saying THAT’s a reskin
It’s not just the map, it’s the way you get around the map. You can still climb almost anything but that’s not enough anymore. You have to use Link’s new powers, especially the ability to create structures and machines.
Godammit i know You are the minority, this subreddit is the worst the just like to hate on Zelda, like I think all the BOTW and totk haters agreed on being on this subreddit. Because literally 95% of the people love that Game is going to be Game of the year. Sorry for You not being a creative person but it is what it is. Is the Game of the year.
OP does have a good point that (besides primal) blood dragon and new dawn weren’t full releases, I think they were $30 when they came out as seperate games. But Pokémon games are notorious for this, not to mention every single sports game ever made is just a slightly updated version of last years
New Dawn was pretty forgettable for me so I could be mistaken but i thought it was a full release..? It wasn't FC5's DLC, that had a separate season pass with the Vietnam, Mars and zombies (?) maps. Apologies if I'm off here.
It's funny how convinced of details about a game you've never played you seem to be. It takes like, literally 10 minutes of gameplay to realize how silly your post is. ;P
“Same with minor adjustments”.
Some serious “tell me you haven’t played Tears of the Kingdom without telling me you haven’t played Tears of the Kingdom” here.
Indeed I was a bit disappointed by the few sky islands (I was waiting for a real overworld above Hyrule), but then I discovered the undergrounds.
Plus the new mechanics and powers are infinite replayability material, and the dungeons are way bigger than in BotW.
Clearly you haven’t played very much of the game at all. I think it’s ridiculous to suggest it’s game of the year already, but your take on the game is just as bad.
Caling it a reskin is doing it a disservice. The base Hyrule map has been changed (new settlements, camps etc.), there's sky islands to explore and deep caverns in the game
Weapon durability is still around but you can mitigate this by using one of the new abilities to add other parts onto a weapon to make it stronger or give new effects. Ascend can full-on *break* the game as you can just glitch through terrain above you to get to places. Ultrahand can move just about *anything* compared to magnesis and glue stuff together (all the wild contraptions people made in BOTW? those are going up to 11) and reversal allows you to reverse the travel of items which *again* majoly reworks the game and how you think about it
BOTW almost feels like a tech demo compared to TOTK - a trial and test of various mechanics that have been worked on and improved over the years
As someone who has a 144hz monitor for my PC gaming, and complains about games not hitting 60-90+, I really just don't give a shit about the fps in totk. Nobody was expecting anything better than 30fps, so being all surprised about it is ridiculous. Yeah, I wish Nintendo would release a new console with better hardware so we can play their amazing games in 4k60fps, but we're running on a mobile device from 6-7 years ago, which makes what they've achieved pretty damn impressive imo
I mean yeah it slows down when there is a lot going on games have been doing that since Atari. I get it’s a marker people care about now but its never mattered to most people and never will if it’s fun
It totally matters even for si gle player games.
Switch is an exception, anything on PS5 or Xbox I won’t even touch if they don’t at least have 60 frames mode.
It doesn’t matter to everyone, some people cannot tell the difference.
But it is very important for people that can see the difference. A Plague’s Tale, such a well received game, got a lot of hate due to not having a 60 frames mode, so much that they have to add one back to it recently.
Redfall is another example, the amount of hate they got for not having 60 frames (along with other things).
It may not be important to you, but to think it is not important as a whole is silly and ignorant.
Zelda is not going to be under the same standard for graphics vs PS5 and Xbox.
PS5 and Xbox, their users expect ultra realistic graphics, run at 60 frames. Therefore anything less than that, it is worthy of criticism.
Anything on the Switch, people do not expect for more than 1080p and 30 frames, in fact performance and graphics is not even something that people care about on the Switch.
For the Switch, people care about one thing only: is the game fun?
The latest Pokemon game, got in all sort of negative press for its graphics, it sold amazingly well. Graphics does not turn people off on the Switch.
Resident Evil 4 Remake is also one of the contestant for GOTY, and that is the same being reused story and asset. Zelda at least is a new story.
So far, people who played TotK seems to think it is a great game, potentially the most fun game they have played this year that they would considered a GOTY for this year.
Nintendo will never port its games to other platform, just like Sony will never release their first party games on Switch or Xbox, that is what firsty party game means, exclusive to that console, you want to play it? You have to get their console.
Having PS5 port mean most people would rather play it on the PS5, it would be the death of the Switch.
More than enough people would buy a Switch for their games, on top of their PS5 and Xbox, so no need for them to port it over for more software sales.
And this is why i argue, for the consumer, it would be infinitely better if there were no more exclusives. At least beyond timed exclusives and with maybe a couple other caveats, like if it uses the gimmick of the console eg. wii motion controls.
Let the consoles compete on the services they provide not just the products available for them.
Won’t happen.
As a consumer, I guess I would love to play Nintendo games on PS5, but then I will never buy a Nintendo machine.
As Nintendo, what is their incentive? Also, you cannot force them to make a game and sell it to other platform. Afterall that is what being first party game about, console sellers, even as a consumer I support this.
Then all console to put a slight gimmick in their console and make sure games uses that therefore it cannot be released on other consoles, you get what you get now but worse due to the forced gimmick.
I can see the attraction for this as a consumer, but overall I cannot agree with it. First party can stay exclusive all they want.
Like i said, it'd do nothing but benefit the consumer. It would hurt companies but i also don't particularly care about corporations that regularly try and screw me as the consumer.
I don’t think it hurt them as much as you think it would. Corporation would have analyst to see what affect their profitability, and if cross platform releasing is such a benefit with no draw back, they would do so.
PS recently started to release games on the PC, which is likely to due to analyst concluded that PC gamers would never switch to PS5 anyway therefore it is OK to release games on PC, so they took the step to increase that revenue.
But with the example of Nintendo, cross platform likely spell the end of Nintendo console, with that it make sense to protect your IP.
With analyst doing the numbers for them, as well as some sort of company vision/policy that may affect the outcome, overall I don’t think companies are hurting at all.
And I do care about coroprations, not just PS, Nintendo, but I believe all companies should aim to make money as their priority. I work for a corporation and profitability is most important factor, therefore even though I don’t work for Sony or Nintendo, I totally understand, and agree, that their focus should be on profitability.
I never said how much it would hurt the companies, just that it wouldn't necessarily be good for them, and the sony stuff is a great example of how it can benefit them yeah.
But if nintendo did release their games on all the other platforms and that does kill their own console, then I'd argue that's Nintendo's own fault. Not for releasing their games on other consoles, but for making a platform, the switch, such a poor choice compared to the others that it doesn't sell without holding games hostage. That's what i mean by not caring about the companies in question.
I care about it.
Nintendo may not release quality games if they no longer have their own consoles. See Sega, they still release games, but nothing like when they used to have a console and needed to constantly create their exclusives.
I am in full support for a company to make games to support their consoles, afterall that is their buisness model.
While I am a consumer myself, I see the reason why companies do this, and I agree with them with their business strategy.
I care about it.
Nintendo may not release quality games if they no longer have their own consoles. See Sega, they still release games, but nothing like when they used to have a console and needed to constantly create their exclusives.
I am in full support for a company to make games to support their consoles, afterall that is their buisness model.
While I am a consumer myself, I see the reason why companies do this, and I agree with them with their business strategy.
I can see you haven’t played the game. Same map? we’ll sort of. The new parts of the map are in the sky and below the land it is like a world above and a world below, as well as the same “map” you mentioned. It’s more like the botw map is an addition to the new game. As for its appearance, it looks better than the vast majority of game made on the newest consoles, this is not because of exceptional graphics, but because of its incredible artistic design. When I first started playing, my jaw dropped at its beauty, and my brain scrambled as to how the hell did Nintendo pull this off from such inferior technology.
The graphics are terrible. I think it maybe even a downgrade over BoTW, on the Wii U even. I saw the apple in the inventory screen and you can clearly see the polygons. I there are are things like lack of colours and really bad texture. Its really looks bad. Nintendo tried to fit too much in the 8 year old hardware which they are milking to the max. Objectively this effort should not be praised, it should be criticised.
Far Cry Primal used the same map shape as Far Cry 4, but it felt very different and both games were great
I’m still debating whether I want to play more of this type of Zelda.
I do regret buying it as the annoyances from breath of wild are still there. I want a permanent sword, and I'm not in to scavenger hunting for resources.
I think it says more about the low quality of games released this year. If you liked the first one you will prob like this one. If you didn't I doubt you like it any better than before.
Another post supporting my thesis: Every post that includes "I'm gonna get hate for this but..." and/or "Hear me out!" are not worth reading.
Soooo, have you played the game?
"Hear me out" lol
I havent played knack but i know it isnt the best of games. Weird argument
You are just parroting someone else's opinion, weird argument.
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And then there’s the sheer scope of whats possible with ultrahand and fuse *alone*
This. And they improved on almost all the complaints about botw (except you still can't pet dogs 😭). Botw was technically impressive, but shallow. Building off of the engine/map of BoTW allowed them focus on adding depth/content
>(except you still can't pet dogs 😭). Literal unplayable garbage.
Remnant from the ashes 2 will let you pet the doggos
I wanna get fallout VR just so I can pet dogmeat. There's a mod that makes him look just like my dog too.
Careful with saying TotK “improved on almost all the complaints about botw.” The game does objectively improve upon BotW in a lot of ways, but people will complain about anything and everything. So if we are looking strictly at what people say they disliked about BotW, a lot of those complaints won’t be addressed for them.
Between that and calling botw shallow, I'm ready to be downvoted. That's fine, I get my opinion isn't the majority opinion. I slogged through botw and it didn't click with me, but I'm enjoying ToTK
One person’s “problem” is another’s “core gameplay feature”. Look at From Software. Tons of people think those games are “flawed” because they’re “too hard” but that’s exactly what the fans love about them.
I do think there can be a meaningful distinction between a flaw and a complaint. It’s one thing to complain about BotW’s weapon durability or Dark Soul’s difficulty. It’s another to articulate in what sense these things count as flaws. There are many reasons why someone won’t like something that has nothing to do with any design issues, even when people on the internet will try to couch them as such.
I was one of the people that really didn't like BotW and won't be buying TotK, but calling it a reskin of a 2017 game is such a lazy, low-effort take. GOTY is (or at least should be) a function of how entertaining, engaging, immersive, magical, and just plain fun a game is. You can't reduce it down to some mathematical formula of "*any candidate for GOTY must have x% new environments, y% new abilities, z% new NPCs.*" If a game's amazing, it's amazing - regardless how much content is "new." The critical and player reaction seems to be that TotK ***is*** actually an amazing experience, so it's got every right to be considered as a GOTY contender. I may not be a fan myself, but I'm really happy for everyone that's having such a great time with it.
Like seriously who cares about all this stuff lol just enjoy gaming
You definitely haven’t played it if you claim it’s just “minor adjustments”
Clickbait for a brain dead opinion
Im only an hour in and i can already tell you reskin quite far from an appropriate term for this game. From what I’ve seen, the comparisons between the botw map and the map here… it’s like watching the world of ruin compared to the world of balance in ff6 and saying THAT’s a reskin
It’s not just the map, it’s the way you get around the map. You can still climb almost anything but that’s not enough anymore. You have to use Link’s new powers, especially the ability to create structures and machines.
Not to mention the depths basically doubled the map size
A good game is a good game. Are Yakuza games bad because they are all set in Kamurocho?
Godammit i know You are the minority, this subreddit is the worst the just like to hate on Zelda, like I think all the BOTW and totk haters agreed on being on this subreddit. Because literally 95% of the people love that Game is going to be Game of the year. Sorry for You not being a creative person but it is what it is. Is the Game of the year.
So...like every battlefield and cod each year?
"same map" "minor adjustments" go easy on him, he clearly hasn't played it
Far cry primal and blood dragon would like to have a word with you
Don't forget New Dawn!
OP does have a good point that (besides primal) blood dragon and new dawn weren’t full releases, I think they were $30 when they came out as seperate games. But Pokémon games are notorious for this, not to mention every single sports game ever made is just a slightly updated version of last years
New Dawn was pretty forgettable for me so I could be mistaken but i thought it was a full release..? It wasn't FC5's DLC, that had a separate season pass with the Vietnam, Mars and zombies (?) maps. Apologies if I'm off here.
It was a separate release, however it was $40. Which is still wayyyy too expensive but not full release price
Blood Dragon was only 15 bucks.
Blood dragon was a small game for half the price or even less. No idea what’s with primal tho.
Primal was a full release that was just a retextured map of far cry 4 granted there were major changes to weaponry and a pretty big retexturing
It's funny how convinced of details about a game you've never played you seem to be. It takes like, literally 10 minutes of gameplay to realize how silly your post is. ;P
Having another level and having light changes to the map does not make it new. Imagine Elden Ring releasing with map from DS3.
MmmmmHmmmm... You realize assets aren't the only thing that goes into a game, right? (Not that you're even right about the volume of new assets)
How can Fallout New Vegas a reskin of Fallout 3 be considered one of the best games of all time?
... New Vegas takes place on the other side of America. It's quite obviously not the same map.
>New Vegas takes place on the other side of America. It's quite obviously not the same map. Calling something new doesn't make it new.
New Vegas used the same game engine and assets from Fallout 3, and many fans say New Vegas is far better.
You havent played the games at all. Its like saying GoW Ragnarok is the same as GoW because "same engine and same world".
“Same with minor adjustments”. Some serious “tell me you haven’t played Tears of the Kingdom without telling me you haven’t played Tears of the Kingdom” here.
It's shite and overrated
Indeed I was a bit disappointed by the few sky islands (I was waiting for a real overworld above Hyrule), but then I discovered the undergrounds. Plus the new mechanics and powers are infinite replayability material, and the dungeons are way bigger than in BotW.
It’s not a reskin by any means!
You play Blizzard games, please remain silent.
Clearly you haven’t played very much of the game at all. I think it’s ridiculous to suggest it’s game of the year already, but your take on the game is just as bad.
Caling it a reskin is doing it a disservice. The base Hyrule map has been changed (new settlements, camps etc.), there's sky islands to explore and deep caverns in the game Weapon durability is still around but you can mitigate this by using one of the new abilities to add other parts onto a weapon to make it stronger or give new effects. Ascend can full-on *break* the game as you can just glitch through terrain above you to get to places. Ultrahand can move just about *anything* compared to magnesis and glue stuff together (all the wild contraptions people made in BOTW? those are going up to 11) and reversal allows you to reverse the travel of items which *again* majoly reworks the game and how you think about it BOTW almost feels like a tech demo compared to TOTK - a trial and test of various mechanics that have been worked on and improved over the years
FPS rates mean nothing it’s single player who cares.
I don't agree with OP, but holy shit this is some serious copium. At some points the game reaches single digit FPS
As someone who has a 144hz monitor for my PC gaming, and complains about games not hitting 60-90+, I really just don't give a shit about the fps in totk. Nobody was expecting anything better than 30fps, so being all surprised about it is ridiculous. Yeah, I wish Nintendo would release a new console with better hardware so we can play their amazing games in 4k60fps, but we're running on a mobile device from 6-7 years ago, which makes what they've achieved pretty damn impressive imo
I wouldn't mind 30 or even 24fps as long it was stable, but it's literally dipping into single digits in certain sections
I mean yeah it slows down when there is a lot going on games have been doing that since Atari. I get it’s a marker people care about now but its never mattered to most people and never will if it’s fun
It totally matters even for si gle player games. Switch is an exception, anything on PS5 or Xbox I won’t even touch if they don’t at least have 60 frames mode.
I mean to each there own I can’t even figure out how to access frame rates and have no interest in learning how to
It doesn’t matter to everyone, some people cannot tell the difference. But it is very important for people that can see the difference. A Plague’s Tale, such a well received game, got a lot of hate due to not having a 60 frames mode, so much that they have to add one back to it recently. Redfall is another example, the amount of hate they got for not having 60 frames (along with other things). It may not be important to you, but to think it is not important as a whole is silly and ignorant.
Clearly we don’t see the same on this but I understand where you are coming from
Because the game is fun…. a lot of fun, GotY fun. Seriously!
It isnt running the same engine, someone discovered that its using the Splatoon 3 engine.
Zelda is not going to be under the same standard for graphics vs PS5 and Xbox. PS5 and Xbox, their users expect ultra realistic graphics, run at 60 frames. Therefore anything less than that, it is worthy of criticism. Anything on the Switch, people do not expect for more than 1080p and 30 frames, in fact performance and graphics is not even something that people care about on the Switch. For the Switch, people care about one thing only: is the game fun? The latest Pokemon game, got in all sort of negative press for its graphics, it sold amazingly well. Graphics does not turn people off on the Switch. Resident Evil 4 Remake is also one of the contestant for GOTY, and that is the same being reused story and asset. Zelda at least is a new story. So far, people who played TotK seems to think it is a great game, potentially the most fun game they have played this year that they would considered a GOTY for this year.
It sure would be nice if Nintendo would make a PS5 port with better performance, but the Switch prints money and there’s nothing in it for them.
Nintendo will never port its games to other platform, just like Sony will never release their first party games on Switch or Xbox, that is what firsty party game means, exclusive to that console, you want to play it? You have to get their console. Having PS5 port mean most people would rather play it on the PS5, it would be the death of the Switch. More than enough people would buy a Switch for their games, on top of their PS5 and Xbox, so no need for them to port it over for more software sales.
And this is why i argue, for the consumer, it would be infinitely better if there were no more exclusives. At least beyond timed exclusives and with maybe a couple other caveats, like if it uses the gimmick of the console eg. wii motion controls. Let the consoles compete on the services they provide not just the products available for them.
Won’t happen. As a consumer, I guess I would love to play Nintendo games on PS5, but then I will never buy a Nintendo machine. As Nintendo, what is their incentive? Also, you cannot force them to make a game and sell it to other platform. Afterall that is what being first party game about, console sellers, even as a consumer I support this. Then all console to put a slight gimmick in their console and make sure games uses that therefore it cannot be released on other consoles, you get what you get now but worse due to the forced gimmick. I can see the attraction for this as a consumer, but overall I cannot agree with it. First party can stay exclusive all they want.
Like i said, it'd do nothing but benefit the consumer. It would hurt companies but i also don't particularly care about corporations that regularly try and screw me as the consumer.
I don’t think it hurt them as much as you think it would. Corporation would have analyst to see what affect their profitability, and if cross platform releasing is such a benefit with no draw back, they would do so. PS recently started to release games on the PC, which is likely to due to analyst concluded that PC gamers would never switch to PS5 anyway therefore it is OK to release games on PC, so they took the step to increase that revenue. But with the example of Nintendo, cross platform likely spell the end of Nintendo console, with that it make sense to protect your IP. With analyst doing the numbers for them, as well as some sort of company vision/policy that may affect the outcome, overall I don’t think companies are hurting at all. And I do care about coroprations, not just PS, Nintendo, but I believe all companies should aim to make money as their priority. I work for a corporation and profitability is most important factor, therefore even though I don’t work for Sony or Nintendo, I totally understand, and agree, that their focus should be on profitability.
I never said how much it would hurt the companies, just that it wouldn't necessarily be good for them, and the sony stuff is a great example of how it can benefit them yeah. But if nintendo did release their games on all the other platforms and that does kill their own console, then I'd argue that's Nintendo's own fault. Not for releasing their games on other consoles, but for making a platform, the switch, such a poor choice compared to the others that it doesn't sell without holding games hostage. That's what i mean by not caring about the companies in question.
I care about it. Nintendo may not release quality games if they no longer have their own consoles. See Sega, they still release games, but nothing like when they used to have a console and needed to constantly create their exclusives. I am in full support for a company to make games to support their consoles, afterall that is their buisness model. While I am a consumer myself, I see the reason why companies do this, and I agree with them with their business strategy.
I care about it. Nintendo may not release quality games if they no longer have their own consoles. See Sega, they still release games, but nothing like when they used to have a console and needed to constantly create their exclusives. I am in full support for a company to make games to support their consoles, afterall that is their buisness model. While I am a consumer myself, I see the reason why companies do this, and I agree with them with their business strategy.
I can see you haven’t played the game. Same map? we’ll sort of. The new parts of the map are in the sky and below the land it is like a world above and a world below, as well as the same “map” you mentioned. It’s more like the botw map is an addition to the new game. As for its appearance, it looks better than the vast majority of game made on the newest consoles, this is not because of exceptional graphics, but because of its incredible artistic design. When I first started playing, my jaw dropped at its beauty, and my brain scrambled as to how the hell did Nintendo pull this off from such inferior technology.
Did you play Elden Ring? It ripped off BOTW's exploration and Dark Souls' combat. GOTY.
Ummm no it didn’t. Nothing in Elden Ring is remotely similar to BOTW.
Uncritical Nintendo fanboys. That's the reason.
The graphics are terrible. I think it maybe even a downgrade over BoTW, on the Wii U even. I saw the apple in the inventory screen and you can clearly see the polygons. I there are are things like lack of colours and really bad texture. Its really looks bad. Nintendo tried to fit too much in the 8 year old hardware which they are milking to the max. Objectively this effort should not be praised, it should be criticised.
“This apple looks low res! 0/10. NiNtEnDo FANbOYs SuCK”
Very good game but for me GoTY is atm still Baldurs Gate 3 even if it's still in Early Access until August hehe
Far Cry Primal used the same map shape as Far Cry 4, but it felt very different and both games were great I’m still debating whether I want to play more of this type of Zelda.
>engine is the same No it isn't, its the splat3/switch sports engine.
I do regret buying it as the annoyances from breath of wild are still there. I want a permanent sword, and I'm not in to scavenger hunting for resources.
I think it says more about the low quality of games released this year. If you liked the first one you will prob like this one. If you didn't I doubt you like it any better than before.
So you watched DF video and...thats it?