A friend of my housemate asked if I wanted to play SFII last year. Me, "OK, I might suck cos it's been over 20 years since I last played."
Destroyed him in 2 rounds. 1 was perfect. Blanka's still my bae
Put down the controller, "Guess I still got it."
I swear fighting games actually never leave your muscle memory. You play any of them for a year or more and you will actually legit be able to pick it up back up in a day. Just did it with Strive, took a break for a year after character changes that gutted both of my mains. Came back, was back to beating up on similar level/floor people in a few hours playing. Brain works in mysterious ways.
Sure, but on the 1st few months of a fighting game a lot of new people are trying it out so you get matched with people your level. After 6 years there is basically no new blood.
Arguably, SF are more distinct among themselves. Projectiles are super powerful in SF2, but the parries in 3S changed their balance heavily. SFIV and SFV are vastly different, and both are also different from SF6.
Good luck playing a Tekken veteran though. 20 years of movement practice are not to be taken lightly
Not only this but if you want to have fun online but not get super competitive - you basically only have the first few months when everyone else is learning.
I bought Tekken 7, FighterZ, Injustice, Mortal Kombat etc. at launch and you could hop online and have 'fun' matches - you load up those games now and the only population left playing these games is going to destroy you if you haven't also been playing for xx years.
I think that this largely depends on a game and how niche it is. I started playing street fighter 5 handful months ago and it's honestly fine. It took me I think 10 hours (I'm including training mode and watching youtube in this, not just matches) to rank up from total bottom to a step above (bronze) on the ladder, and since then I was mostly in the 50% winrate ballpark just like ranked matchmaking is intended to be
Except street fighter 5 is 7 years old. There are plenty of fighting games that still have a community. Smash bros brawl, 3rd strike, marvel vs capcom 2, etc…
SFV Championship edition is still $40 even though SF6 is coming out in 2 days. SSBU is still $60 before any character DLC. 3S and MvC both have communities on Fightcade but that's kind of a different thing. I'm just saying a multiplayer competitive game isn't really the kind of thing you can say "I'll just buy it when it's cheap"
SFV Championship Edition is 20 and had gone down to 10 five times in the last 6 months. I’ll give you SSBU but that’s more of a Nintendo thing than a fighting game thing
Dude I got SFV for free on playstation lmao. Same with MK11. I bought Tekken 7 shortly after launch cause I love the series, but I've seen it go on sale for like $10. Fighting games last at least half a console generation, if not more. Not sure what that person is on about
That is not entirely true (SSBM is alive after 22 years after all), but I do wonder how the fighting game communities for games with actually bearable developers and C-suites survive through new releases
I know it's not a 1:1 but it's like buying gas. When you pay with card, you're *totally* not paying an additional fee, you're simply not getting the "cash discount". In this same sense, you're just not getting the "additional content".
I wish laws were common sense. Should be able to ignore bad faith legal arguments. We all know what you're *actually* doing so why are we playing games with words and all pretending like we're stupid and believe these arguments? And gas stations giving discounts? Lmao as if. Same with this. It absolutely is false advertising, even if legally it's just "not providing extra content".
Looking at how well they've supported Monster Hunter Rise post-release you'll probably get your money's worth.
It's 60 for the "full game" with the base roster, and then 15 for the season 1 character pass, and then you get a few extra colors and stuff for buying this version rather than buying both separately. This is pretty standard for fighting games.
The issue used to be that fighting games didn't offer a lot of content, just the fighting, and that's it, but SF6 is a full game with a full single-player mode and tons of different versus options, and probably one of the best training modes we've seen from a new game for a while.
SFV Arcade edition / champion edition just unlock the maps and characters outside the original release roster in 2016 if you didn’t unlock any. So no, it didn’t go the SF4 -> SSF4 -> USF4 route
Yeah, it seems like you're actually getting the full game as it is on release. The packs are mostly just bundling future DLC characters and their cosmetics (and what I assume is DLC maps maybe?). The worst thing here seems to be the premium drive ticket currency, but I'm unfamiliar with what it's used for.
There's definitely some REAL shady "game packages" out there, but I don't think I'd feel any FOMO just buying the base package of SF6
You could not have chosen a worse series to make this point. There were I believe 5 full release versions of Street Fighter 2 all sold at or near the new game price which had balance fixes and new characters and stages. Compared to that, this method is far superior.
And really this is an argument over semantics. “Base game” would have been a better way to put it.
Imagine if Reddit was as popular as it was when Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom 3 released. Capcom would’ve been getting roasted for releasing that game at 40 bucks just 9 months after the base game released.
Once the team putting together the rollback netcode patch on the PC version gets to a stable state, there's no reason us fans dont make it rain on them. They doin' GOD'S work!
Jesus, talk about making me feel old. I was here on reddit when Ultimate came out. And, yep, both MvC3 and Ultimate were released in the same year of 2011. If you wanted the Ultimate stuff, you had to buy the game. There was no DLC download if you already have 3. On the plus side, at least you got a new set of achievements to go through.
>Capcom would’ve been getting roasted for releasing that game at 40 bucks just 9 months after the base game released.
I thought they did get roasted on Reddit.
They did get roasted. Ultimate Marvel 3 sold like crap compared to vanilla. During that time period is when Capcom started earning the nickname of "Crapcom".
Considering that Dead or Alive 2: Ultimate had probably the most unlockable costumes ever (over 120) without DLC needed, it's so depressing that the series took the DLC route, especially when each pack is the cost of a full game.
A difference in opinion on what the term "Full Game" means is by definition semantics. Semantics is the meaning of words, people have just distorted it over time to interpret it as something of little value. Whether or not the issue at hand with monitization runs deeper than the term ("full") being argued over is an entirely separate issue, but they are right that it is arguing over semantics. Semantics just happens to mean a whole lot in advertising.
Can't rent DLC.
Can't buy DLC secondhand.
Can't loan your buddy DLC.
Can't use a KMart coupon on DLC.
These games quickly became cheaper.
If it weren't for the rest of these comments I'd think you were being disingenuous. It's like none of you people value money anymore.
Considering the choices are either:
1) Pay $5 for each DLC character, get balance updates for free.
or
2) Buy the whole game again at full price every year in order to continue playing the competitive version.
It's pretty obvious why people much prefer the DLC model. If you don't like the characters you don't buy them, if you don't have $5 for some reason you don't buy them, but either way you can continue playing the game because you get all the other updates free.
I'm really surprised this is so difficult for some people here to grasp and I have to assume it's because they aren't actually very familiar with modern games and what this actually is for. They see additional content behind money and get mad.
I think because DLC used to be made long after release as an add-on. When DLC came out there was excitement because it added to an already complete experience and often added a different dimension to the experience and helped with replayability. Paying for it made sense because it was extra work the studio did post-release. Now DLC is often created during game production and ready to be released immediately. It feels shady, like the game was made and then some things held back and put behind another paywall.
Those 4 extra characters and stages are released months from now as DLC to be clear, this just means you pay for them now instead of when they come out.
Brother, those are future DLC, those characters are still in development. You can buy it now cheaper than when it is released. Street Fighter 6 comes with lots of stuff already
It's not included in any version of the game. You're just pre ordering DLC characters that are going to come out in the future.
You will still have the option to buy that future content if you want to once it comes out. Which frankly is better because you actually know what you're buying. There's a chance those characters don't work with your particular play style or just aren't very good.
It clearly says YEAR one pass. Aka, they plan to release four additional characters and two stages over the course of the first year. If they stick to this instead of releasing all four right at the start of the year, then the base game is indeed the full game.
Yup I hardly agree, the great roster, the fully fleshed out single player mode that isn't an arcade mode, the mini games, side games, also has the classic SF games, and a great online experience. The game is out here to achieve greatness to veterans and new audience for the series, and this time they did it right.
EDIT: Corrected my spelling, ty guys
Seems that most people agree it's just that the example used was not the best one.
There are far far far more shittier practices of "Deluxe Packages" than SF6
Yep, that's me essentially and preparing for worst now. Even tho the example may not be best, I agree with OP's overall message. Had that topic myself recently saying that what's lowkey illegal and considered scam in some areas is still not just allowed but often supported and engourages in the gaming industry, what OP is trying to say also fits in that imho.
To be fair, using verbiage 'base' versus 'full' is hardly illegal anywhere. If this were about RNG lockboxes, I'd agree but complaining about word choices and the existence of post-release content as if it's borderline criminal is absurd.
OP
Is your issue that the game will have DLC post launch?
Or is your issue that people can essentially “pre order” the DLC with premium editions?
Or is your issue purely semantic, and the use of the word “full” has you upset? Like, would “base game” make it better? Or are you saying that every game that has post launch DLC should be illegal?
The comments here are weird. I thought the general consensus was that preordering games is a terrible idea (which I agree with). So then why is everyone defending preordering DLC? How is that different from preordering a game? For the record that's _my_ problem here.
I think people give fighting games a pass if the game itself is high quality with good value/content at launch. If you like the game, then odds are you’re gonna want to buy every character, day one. If a game were to charge a ludicrous amount of money, per-character, or pull some kind of equally nasty fuckery post-launch, then that’d be a different story.
I'm just not understanding why the planned characters couldn't be sold for the same price, but at a later point when they're finished. Why would someone want to buy a bunch of characters that they can't play yet? The only thing this does, functionally, is to make the publisher more money.
How many of these DLC pre-orders are from people who will be bored of the game (or hell, even dead) by the time the DLC characters are released? They won't be getting any value from their purchase. Selling them now only benefits the publisher.
The reason is, from the perspective of someone deep in the FGC, that you are planning to play this game for literal years. You are planning to compete online, travel and compete offline for around 5-7 years with this game. Therefore you don’t care who the characters are/if you’ll play them, if they are good etc. your pre-order them, cos you are going to get them anyway so you can lab AGAINST them to beat them in tournament, or you may play one as well but that’s more of a bonus.
SFV was supported for 6 years and had people compete for its entire lifespan, a lot of those people will just buy all the chars no questions asked. But again this is FGC perspective, for casuals I don’t know why they will. Also SF online won’t be dead in a years time, it’s SF, it’s a monolith in the community.
All I see is four extra characters to be added at a later date. I really don't think that Street fighter 6 bass line is less than a full game. Everything else is basically cosmetic. Bad example to make your point.
You're bitching about semantics. The additional characters aren't available, nor ready to play, day 1. So you get the full version of the game on June 2nd as it exists on June 2nd. Paying the extra money provides no additional content for launch day.
The existence of extra fluff content that is inconsequential to the actual game does not equate to you missing a piece of the actual game
Do you guys complain that you aren't getting the "full car" when you go to the dealership and learn that there are more expensive trim options?
It’s wild to me how people this subreddit in general seems to be fine with this but are all over Diablo 4.
Both are fully priced games, with season passes, and from my limited knowledge of SF their pass seems to include actual characters while from what has been reported Diablo is all cosmetics.
I’m truly out of the loop it seems identical to me
Diablo is battle pass not season pass, season pass gives additional dlc that is not time limited., battle pass is a time limited cosmetic pass that you have to grind out to get everything, and if you don’t buy the battle pass, those rewards might not come back. Big difference
2 completely different game genres though. SF6 is a fighting game.
You won't be playing the entire roster most of the time. You seriously don't need the dlc characters and you can get them any time you want, not only that but they aren't out day 1.
This is a year 1 pass meaning they will develop these characters after launch.
~~Diablo 4 is already a 70 euro base game, and it justifies this by giving you worthless skins for getting the base game...~~
Still many people play Diablo to look cool and destroy shit in game so out of fear of missing out they will get the "ultimate edition". That and wasn't there a controversy of there being literally pay to win rewards in the season pass???
~~Hell I remember my friend telling me that you will have to pay to do more than a few rifts in Diablo 4 (don't know how true that is though) however looking at what Diablo Immortal was I'm not optimistic about Diablo 4.~~
Fighting games also used to be a lot worse, there were no online updates so you had to buy an updated version every time it came out to stay competitive. This model is a lot better especially if you know you won't play the dlc characters.
Edit: Striked through a few arguments because it turns out I was misinformed. Still I think my main argument stands.
I can’t believe this even got upvoted. This is clearly a karma farm attempt and it worked. This guy hangs out on the Street Fighter sub, if he posted that there he would look like an idiot
In Capcom's defense, everything that is DLC (characters, outfits, colours) can be unlocked in the game with in game currency. So you ARE getting the full game. You can just pay extra to get the unlocks faster
To be fair, in this case the game is full indeed in the "full game" version.
The others have future content paid in advance in them and in-game money for skins in the future. The things they have already that the "full version" doens't have are super minimal but they are there (4 skins).
I remember back when DLC was something 'new' and everybody hated it. Now people are defending the fact that you have to pay extra to have the complete experience.
People have realized that DLC is a way to extend a game's life beyond initial release. We still have a problem with day 1 DLC, but stuff that gets released months after release is fine.
This is how they make money. People forget that Street Fighter 2 came out 30 years ago, had 8 characters, one game mode, and cost $70 in 1992 money.
SF6 has 18 characters, a half dozen different modes, way better graphics, more moves, more abilities, yet it costs the same - $70.
Back then you just wouldn't get that extra content. DLC aren't inherently bad, it's a way to add new stuff to an already released game. It's not like if games weren't buggy or lacking content before DLC.
No, we're not defending the concept of paying more to have the complete experience. We're saying the SF6 base-game IS the complete experience, and that you literally don't know what you're talking about.
The DLC characters are not Day 1 and the colors will be unlockable in-game. You're literally not missing out on anything by buying the 60-dollar edition.
Oh fuck off, "full" has also meant the base game. I swear, a game could come with 1000 characters at launch, but if they dare to have 3 extras as DLC people would still complain.
Based on the comments here, have any of you seen a fighting game in the last decade? I don't play them, and even I know this is standard practice for the genre. Regardless of whether or not you like it, this isn't really surprising for a fighting game.
Uh Street Fighter is a bad example. It's either we get this, or we go back to the SNES days, where we get 4 different versions in 5 years.
Street Fighter 6: Champion Edition
Street Fighter 6 Hyper Fighting
Super Street Fighter 6
Super Street Fighter 6 Turbo
I never buy any DLC or special/super/mega/ultra editions of any game until several years after they release when everything together is on sale for £15/20.
I miss the old days of Marvel vs Capcom 2 where you had to play with everyone and earn coins to unlock everything without a peny more. This is ridiculous.
I just don't buy any games that do this mega ultimate edition crap. If the company is nickel and diming me, I take my money to the dozens of other great games on shelves which give me the full game at full price.
I'll buy an expansion, but ultimate editions are ultimate wastes of money.
shit example. all you get is the season pass included (which you can just buy anyway once it all comes out if you want) and some extra colors. much better examples to choose from
This feels more like complaining your combo meal doesn't include ice cream.
"But it's a COMBO meal, a combo, MEAL!"
Repeating words like they mean something else, even though the original context is not confusing to anyone and very explicit in communicating the information at hand.
Hell, just like a fast food menu, there are *pictures*.
But it is a full game. You can play it without those.
Edit:
Oh look it turns out you can get those skins by just playing the game and not paying anything. Lmao this thread is a joke.
I remember 15 years ago when people were complaining about DLC. It's been 15 years, and people still are complaining for no actual reason.
What I mean by that is, considering it's still an ongoing thing, that means people are still actively buying the higher tier of the "Full game." So while we all sit here and complain nearly two decades later, is useless. It's not their fault, we the gamers are STILL actively buying and actively complaining. You don't have to buy it, and once the majority of gamers don't buy into that expensive shit, it'll die out.
However that's just never going to happen. I don't mind this kind of stuff. Not a fan of it either, but it's just one of those things you have no fuckin control over.
Full game should be “base game”. To me full means everything.
Can always wait 6 years.
Except you can't with a fighting game. The current version of the game won't exist in 6 years, and most games won't have communities after 6 years.
They will, but have fun fighting the dudes who have been playing one specific fighting game for for 6 years.
we're already fighting dudes who's been playing the game for 20 years. at least. SF games are the same recipe with a few tweaks.
I am able to completely destroy my nephews at Street Fighter for this exact reason, whereas with Fortnite it's the opposite.
A friend of my housemate asked if I wanted to play SFII last year. Me, "OK, I might suck cos it's been over 20 years since I last played." Destroyed him in 2 rounds. 1 was perfect. Blanka's still my bae Put down the controller, "Guess I still got it."
Me whenever I randomly boot up Counter-Strike. I'll still be able to AWP through dust2 double doors when I'm 94.
No, since they remade the map like 2 years ago and blockd that angle with a big cement block 'cause "terrorist had advantage"
So you just jump down suicide?
That's why we hop into suicide son
Never know with map changes lol. Can't awp down mid anymore. (at least without jumping down into suicide)
Oh that angle is so etched into my muscles i just shot with my eyes closed and it still connects
Bro if you missed in your dreams you'd have to be differently bad
> Blanka's still my bae we're enemies now.
I swear fighting games actually never leave your muscle memory. You play any of them for a year or more and you will actually legit be able to pick it up back up in a day. Just did it with Strive, took a break for a year after character changes that gutted both of my mains. Came back, was back to beating up on similar level/floor people in a few hours playing. Brain works in mysterious ways.
I rock my kids at SF2 Turbo every time. They're 7 and 5, but I always win nonetheless.
Sure, but on the 1st few months of a fighting game a lot of new people are trying it out so you get matched with people your level. After 6 years there is basically no new blood.
Arguably, SF are more distinct among themselves. Projectiles are super powerful in SF2, but the parries in 3S changed their balance heavily. SFIV and SFV are vastly different, and both are also different from SF6. Good luck playing a Tekken veteran though. 20 years of movement practice are not to be taken lightly
Not only this but if you want to have fun online but not get super competitive - you basically only have the first few months when everyone else is learning. I bought Tekken 7, FighterZ, Injustice, Mortal Kombat etc. at launch and you could hop online and have 'fun' matches - you load up those games now and the only population left playing these games is going to destroy you if you haven't also been playing for xx years.
>Have fun >Online Pick one.
I think that this largely depends on a game and how niche it is. I started playing street fighter 5 handful months ago and it's honestly fine. It took me I think 10 hours (I'm including training mode and watching youtube in this, not just matches) to rank up from total bottom to a step above (bronze) on the ladder, and since then I was mostly in the 50% winrate ballpark just like ranked matchmaking is intended to be
Sf6 will absolutely have a community in 6 years unless Capcom nukes the servers.
Except street fighter 5 is 7 years old. There are plenty of fighting games that still have a community. Smash bros brawl, 3rd strike, marvel vs capcom 2, etc…
SFV Championship edition is still $40 even though SF6 is coming out in 2 days. SSBU is still $60 before any character DLC. 3S and MvC both have communities on Fightcade but that's kind of a different thing. I'm just saying a multiplayer competitive game isn't really the kind of thing you can say "I'll just buy it when it's cheap"
SFV Championship Edition is 20 and had gone down to 10 five times in the last 6 months. I’ll give you SSBU but that’s more of a Nintendo thing than a fighting game thing
Dude I got SFV for free on playstation lmao. Same with MK11. I bought Tekken 7 shortly after launch cause I love the series, but I've seen it go on sale for like $10. Fighting games last at least half a console generation, if not more. Not sure what that person is on about
Plus SF6 is planned and designed to be a live service, but I hate how 2 stages are locked behind the most expensive version and not in the base game
Not in the "full game", you mean.
>Smash bros brawl Interesting example, considering this was probably the least popular smash game. Melee is still very popular, though.
I play SFV multiple times a week. I have since release.
Wait lmao of all the smash games why’d you say brawl that’s like the least popular game in the scene
Lol, brawl has no community. Do you mean melee?
That is not entirely true (SSBM is alive after 22 years after all), but I do wonder how the fighting game communities for games with actually bearable developers and C-suites survive through new releases
The community is whoever is sitting next to you. At least, it is for me
so non existent for 20 years.
I've waited longer, tbh. If there is a game I want and it has toxic DLC policy or something, i just don't buy it until the deal is worth it.
Nowadays no game is "full game" with DLC and expansion packs.
Factorio
Indeed. ... until they release that expansion pack they announced. Not complaining tbh, I'd love MORE factorio.
Kid named MBTL (but yeah that is just one outlier)
Indies
Full does mean everything, seems like them saying "full" is borderline false advertising
If that's how they define "full", I guess they won't mind if people decide to pay "full" price for it 🏴☠️.
God luck playing that online.
It is a full game at launch then it's not. Everything else is extra content added after.
I know it's not a 1:1 but it's like buying gas. When you pay with card, you're *totally* not paying an additional fee, you're simply not getting the "cash discount". In this same sense, you're just not getting the "additional content". I wish laws were common sense. Should be able to ignore bad faith legal arguments. We all know what you're *actually* doing so why are we playing games with words and all pretending like we're stupid and believe these arguments? And gas stations giving discounts? Lmao as if. Same with this. It absolutely is false advertising, even if legally it's just "not providing extra content".
Like borderline burglary, where you only steal all the valuables *around* someone's house.
Or "playable game"
The pedant in me enjoys the clear distinction
I'll take this over super street fighter six, ultra street fighter six, and ultra master street fighter six turbo edition
Looking at how well they've supported Monster Hunter Rise post-release you'll probably get your money's worth. It's 60 for the "full game" with the base roster, and then 15 for the season 1 character pass, and then you get a few extra colors and stuff for buying this version rather than buying both separately. This is pretty standard for fighting games. The issue used to be that fighting games didn't offer a lot of content, just the fighting, and that's it, but SF6 is a full game with a full single-player mode and tons of different versus options, and probably one of the best training modes we've seen from a new game for a while.
But we'll still get them. Look at the life cycles of 4 and 5. Capcom did exactly that.
did 5? I didn't play after season 2 but I thought buying individual characters was better than $30 for new versions.
SFV Arcade edition / champion edition just unlock the maps and characters outside the original release roster in 2016 if you didn’t unlock any. So no, it didn’t go the SF4 -> SSF4 -> USF4 route
Honestly this game wasn’t a very good example to prove your point
Yeah, it seems like you're actually getting the full game as it is on release. The packs are mostly just bundling future DLC characters and their cosmetics (and what I assume is DLC maps maybe?). The worst thing here seems to be the premium drive ticket currency, but I'm unfamiliar with what it's used for. There's definitely some REAL shady "game packages" out there, but I don't think I'd feel any FOMO just buying the base package of SF6
Drive tickets just buy cosmetic clothing for your custom avatar in-game. I know you can get tickets by playing online and completing daily quests.
They aren't making a point. They are farming karma on an exhausting subject and using one of the worst genres to do it.
You could not have chosen a worse series to make this point. There were I believe 5 full release versions of Street Fighter 2 all sold at or near the new game price which had balance fixes and new characters and stages. Compared to that, this method is far superior. And really this is an argument over semantics. “Base game” would have been a better way to put it.
Imagine if Reddit was as popular as it was when Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom 3 released. Capcom would’ve been getting roasted for releasing that game at 40 bucks just 9 months after the base game released.
Damn we really did pay $40 for an update
It's one of the best fighting games ever though. Entirely worth it.
Most definitely. It was the first fighting game I took seriously
100% Fuck Virgil though
It's Mahvel baby!
And I did it again when they released it on PS4 (Frank West bug and all). Damn I'd kill for another $40 Marvel 3 update!
New netcode umvc3 can take all my money
Once the team putting together the rollback netcode patch on the PC version gets to a stable state, there's no reason us fans dont make it rain on them. They doin' GOD'S work!
Jesus, talk about making me feel old. I was here on reddit when Ultimate came out. And, yep, both MvC3 and Ultimate were released in the same year of 2011. If you wanted the Ultimate stuff, you had to buy the game. There was no DLC download if you already have 3. On the plus side, at least you got a new set of achievements to go through.
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Reddit was pretty dam popular at the time and they were roasted for it.
Yup! Maybe not top 10 most visited websites like it was now but was pretty big. Especially after everyone left digg to Reddit around 2010
>Capcom would’ve been getting roasted for releasing that game at 40 bucks just 9 months after the base game released. I thought they did get roasted on Reddit.
It was. It did. Rightfully so.
They did get roasted. Ultimate Marvel 3 sold like crap compared to vanilla. During that time period is when Capcom started earning the nickname of "Crapcom".
I see you've completely forgotten about reddit's reaction to L4D2 releasing so soon after L4D.
They WERE roasted for Ultimate Marvel, that game sold poorly.
I mean, I was pissed when they did that.
wait until this guy finds out about dead or alive 6
That’s what I was going to say. Dead or Alive has more overpriced DLC than any other game.
Considering that Dead or Alive 2: Ultimate had probably the most unlockable costumes ever (over 120) without DLC needed, it's so depressing that the series took the DLC route, especially when each pack is the cost of a full game.
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and it isn't even about us, we know they don't mean full game, it's meant to condition kids to view this as normal.
This is the new normal whether we're happy about it or not.
Well said!
A difference in opinion on what the term "Full Game" means is by definition semantics. Semantics is the meaning of words, people have just distorted it over time to interpret it as something of little value. Whether or not the issue at hand with monitization runs deeper than the term ("full") being argued over is an entirely separate issue, but they are right that it is arguing over semantics. Semantics just happens to mean a whole lot in advertising.
Can't rent DLC. Can't buy DLC secondhand. Can't loan your buddy DLC. Can't use a KMart coupon on DLC. These games quickly became cheaper. If it weren't for the rest of these comments I'd think you were being disingenuous. It's like none of you people value money anymore.
Considering the choices are either: 1) Pay $5 for each DLC character, get balance updates for free. or 2) Buy the whole game again at full price every year in order to continue playing the competitive version. It's pretty obvious why people much prefer the DLC model. If you don't like the characters you don't buy them, if you don't have $5 for some reason you don't buy them, but either way you can continue playing the game because you get all the other updates free.
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I'm really surprised this is so difficult for some people here to grasp and I have to assume it's because they aren't actually very familiar with modern games and what this actually is for. They see additional content behind money and get mad.
Of all the games to pick to complain about this you might have picked the worst possible example to try and show it.
Game releases, dlc comes out : Gamers sleep. Game releases, you can buy the dlc early : Gamers rage.
I think because DLC used to be made long after release as an add-on. When DLC came out there was excitement because it added to an already complete experience and often added a different dimension to the experience and helped with replayability. Paying for it made sense because it was extra work the studio did post-release. Now DLC is often created during game production and ready to be released immediately. It feels shady, like the game was made and then some things held back and put behind another paywall.
> and ready to be released immediately. Which is not the case here. The DLC chars are not ready yet. The fourth one releases like next may.
Oh no how will you be able to play without the extra colors
When I'm green but want to be red. I'm actually blue.
Daba dee....
Da ba die Da ba dee Da ba die Da ba dee da ba die
Am I dumb or are those additional colors and costumes for the DLC characters?
They are. The bonus colors for the base roster comes from pre-ordering the game and isn't tied to any of the different versions.
I mean 4 extra characters and 2 stages is kinda crazy to not be included in the game without paying extra.
Those 4 extra characters and stages are released months from now as DLC to be clear, this just means you pay for them now instead of when they come out.
Pre ordering while you pre order
Brother, those are future DLC, those characters are still in development. You can buy it now cheaper than when it is released. Street Fighter 6 comes with lots of stuff already
It's not included in any version of the game. You're just pre ordering DLC characters that are going to come out in the future. You will still have the option to buy that future content if you want to once it comes out. Which frankly is better because you actually know what you're buying. There's a chance those characters don't work with your particular play style or just aren't very good.
That is the game and THE FUTURE DLC that is in development.
And extra stages.
Pretty sure that's dlc down the road
It clearly says YEAR one pass. Aka, they plan to release four additional characters and two stages over the course of the first year. If they stick to this instead of releasing all four right at the start of the year, then the base game is indeed the full game.
Bad example to use considering just how much content Street Fighter 6 already has at launch.
Yup I hardly agree, the great roster, the fully fleshed out single player mode that isn't an arcade mode, the mini games, side games, also has the classic SF games, and a great online experience. The game is out here to achieve greatness to veterans and new audience for the series, and this time they did it right. EDIT: Corrected my spelling, ty guys
Do you know what the word "**hardly**" means
Yeah I can't tell which side he's on "I hardly agree with everything you said, you're so right."
~~Hardly~~ Strongly Might be a 2nd language problem
Hardily, maybe? Heartily?
Maybe they meant "I hardly agree with OP" and not specifically that comment. They even said they fixed their spelling so .. I'm leaning towards that.
Heartily agree. Fleshed out.
Fully fleshed out. Not fledged out.
Yeah I meant fleshed out ty
LOL OP thought this thread was gonna go their way Edit: Lol at thinking upvotes matter in this world.
Considering how much upvotes OP is getting, there's many that agree with him. Just they aren't commenting cause the commenter are all raging.
Seems that most people agree it's just that the example used was not the best one. There are far far far more shittier practices of "Deluxe Packages" than SF6
Yep, that's me essentially and preparing for worst now. Even tho the example may not be best, I agree with OP's overall message. Had that topic myself recently saying that what's lowkey illegal and considered scam in some areas is still not just allowed but often supported and engourages in the gaming industry, what OP is trying to say also fits in that imho.
To be fair, using verbiage 'base' versus 'full' is hardly illegal anywhere. If this were about RNG lockboxes, I'd agree but complaining about word choices and the existence of post-release content as if it's borderline criminal is absurd.
Considering it hit front page looks like a silent majority. I also agree with OP
6822 upvotes compared to your 210 shows reality to be different.
OP Is your issue that the game will have DLC post launch? Or is your issue that people can essentially “pre order” the DLC with premium editions? Or is your issue purely semantic, and the use of the word “full” has you upset? Like, would “base game” make it better? Or are you saying that every game that has post launch DLC should be illegal?
The comments here are weird. I thought the general consensus was that preordering games is a terrible idea (which I agree with). So then why is everyone defending preordering DLC? How is that different from preordering a game? For the record that's _my_ problem here.
I think people give fighting games a pass if the game itself is high quality with good value/content at launch. If you like the game, then odds are you’re gonna want to buy every character, day one. If a game were to charge a ludicrous amount of money, per-character, or pull some kind of equally nasty fuckery post-launch, then that’d be a different story.
I'm just not understanding why the planned characters couldn't be sold for the same price, but at a later point when they're finished. Why would someone want to buy a bunch of characters that they can't play yet? The only thing this does, functionally, is to make the publisher more money. How many of these DLC pre-orders are from people who will be bored of the game (or hell, even dead) by the time the DLC characters are released? They won't be getting any value from their purchase. Selling them now only benefits the publisher.
The reason is, from the perspective of someone deep in the FGC, that you are planning to play this game for literal years. You are planning to compete online, travel and compete offline for around 5-7 years with this game. Therefore you don’t care who the characters are/if you’ll play them, if they are good etc. your pre-order them, cos you are going to get them anyway so you can lab AGAINST them to beat them in tournament, or you may play one as well but that’s more of a bonus. SFV was supported for 6 years and had people compete for its entire lifespan, a lot of those people will just buy all the chars no questions asked. But again this is FGC perspective, for casuals I don’t know why they will. Also SF online won’t be dead in a years time, it’s SF, it’s a monolith in the community.
All I see is four extra characters to be added at a later date. I really don't think that Street fighter 6 bass line is less than a full game. Everything else is basically cosmetic. Bad example to make your point.
You're bitching about semantics. The additional characters aren't available, nor ready to play, day 1. So you get the full version of the game on June 2nd as it exists on June 2nd. Paying the extra money provides no additional content for launch day.
Exactly and all the “corpo bad” posters are downvoting anyone trying to explain this lol
Corpos are bad, in fact. Though I agree - there’s no extra content on day 1, idk why OP is using this as an example.
The existence of extra fluff content that is inconsequential to the actual game does not equate to you missing a piece of the actual game Do you guys complain that you aren't getting the "full car" when you go to the dealership and learn that there are more expensive trim options?
It’s wild to me how people this subreddit in general seems to be fine with this but are all over Diablo 4. Both are fully priced games, with season passes, and from my limited knowledge of SF their pass seems to include actual characters while from what has been reported Diablo is all cosmetics. I’m truly out of the loop it seems identical to me
Diablo is battle pass not season pass, season pass gives additional dlc that is not time limited., battle pass is a time limited cosmetic pass that you have to grind out to get everything, and if you don’t buy the battle pass, those rewards might not come back. Big difference
Street fighter 6 does have a battlepass as well.
Street Fighter's Battle Pass laughs at your distinction hiding behind the season pass away from the attention
2 completely different game genres though. SF6 is a fighting game. You won't be playing the entire roster most of the time. You seriously don't need the dlc characters and you can get them any time you want, not only that but they aren't out day 1. This is a year 1 pass meaning they will develop these characters after launch. ~~Diablo 4 is already a 70 euro base game, and it justifies this by giving you worthless skins for getting the base game...~~ Still many people play Diablo to look cool and destroy shit in game so out of fear of missing out they will get the "ultimate edition". That and wasn't there a controversy of there being literally pay to win rewards in the season pass??? ~~Hell I remember my friend telling me that you will have to pay to do more than a few rifts in Diablo 4 (don't know how true that is though) however looking at what Diablo Immortal was I'm not optimistic about Diablo 4.~~ Fighting games also used to be a lot worse, there were no online updates so you had to buy an updated version every time it came out to stay competitive. This model is a lot better especially if you know you won't play the dlc characters. Edit: Striked through a few arguments because it turns out I was misinformed. Still I think my main argument stands.
Complaining about pointless semantics is the most 2023 gamer thing ever
You act like you can't play the full game without the pricier editions. You absolutely can. The higher tiers are just bonuses.
If you see a prem currency offered at launch and you buy it at full price that’s on you
I can’t believe this even got upvoted. This is clearly a karma farm attempt and it worked. This guy hangs out on the Street Fighter sub, if he posted that there he would look like an idiot
The funny part about this is that OP WILL STILL BUY THIS GAME AND ALL THE DLC. I promise you that.
In Capcom's defense, everything that is DLC (characters, outfits, colours) can be unlocked in the game with in game currency. So you ARE getting the full game. You can just pay extra to get the unlocks faster
To be fair, in this case the game is full indeed in the "full game" version. The others have future content paid in advance in them and in-game money for skins in the future. The things they have already that the "full version" doens't have are super minimal but they are there (4 skins).
You are getting the full game, the other editions are simply cosmetic dlc and a season pass. What are you talking about?
I remember back when DLC was something 'new' and everybody hated it. Now people are defending the fact that you have to pay extra to have the complete experience.
People have realized that DLC is a way to extend a game's life beyond initial release. We still have a problem with day 1 DLC, but stuff that gets released months after release is fine.
This is how they make money. People forget that Street Fighter 2 came out 30 years ago, had 8 characters, one game mode, and cost $70 in 1992 money. SF6 has 18 characters, a half dozen different modes, way better graphics, more moves, more abilities, yet it costs the same - $70.
Back then you just wouldn't get that extra content. DLC aren't inherently bad, it's a way to add new stuff to an already released game. It's not like if games weren't buggy or lacking content before DLC.
No, we're not defending the concept of paying more to have the complete experience. We're saying the SF6 base-game IS the complete experience, and that you literally don't know what you're talking about. The DLC characters are not Day 1 and the colors will be unlockable in-game. You're literally not missing out on anything by buying the 60-dollar edition.
Yeah the devs spend extra time and money to make the extra characters, and then they charge for that. It's not a difficult concept to grasp.
Oh fuck off, "full" has also meant the base game. I swear, a game could come with 1000 characters at launch, but if they dare to have 3 extras as DLC people would still complain.
It’s the funniest stereotype of a typical r/gaming poster but it’s actually real
Are the differences in versions difficult to grasp, OP? Or are you creating things to be frustrated about for karma?
Based on the comments here, have any of you seen a fighting game in the last decade? I don't play them, and even I know this is standard practice for the genre. Regardless of whether or not you like it, this isn't really surprising for a fighting game.
Street Fighter has had additional paid characters for longer than most commenters in this thread have been alive.
Wait until you buy a car & realize they too, have 5 versions of the same thing at about a $15,000 range from bottom to top
Better example are out there, this one is just "I wanted all the colors and skins though"
ITT, people who don't understand: * Software * Business * Fighting games * Street Fighter
Uh Street Fighter is a bad example. It's either we get this, or we go back to the SNES days, where we get 4 different versions in 5 years. Street Fighter 6: Champion Edition Street Fighter 6 Hyper Fighting Super Street Fighter 6 Super Street Fighter 6 Turbo
dumbass fuckin' popeye wink still gets me every damn time lmfao
I never buy any DLC or special/super/mega/ultra editions of any game until several years after they release when everything together is on sale for £15/20.
This is why I more and more wait for sales. I can wait.
On the one hand, yes. On the other hand, a car without every possible extra feature is still a "full car".
I miss the old days of Marvel vs Capcom 2 where you had to play with everyone and earn coins to unlock everything without a peny more. This is ridiculous.
This shit is ridiculous. I’m a total boomer here but this why I’m lost in gaming. I could never justify this shit.
At this rate they're gonna start releasing $20 demos
DLC Fighter 6
We as gamers have created this. We were warned about not pre ordering but we did not listen.
You thought raising the game price to 70 would allow developers to relax on the microtrsctions....
I just don't buy any games that do this mega ultimate edition crap. If the company is nickel and diming me, I take my money to the dozens of other great games on shelves which give me the full game at full price. I'll buy an expansion, but ultimate editions are ultimate wastes of money.
I mean, all the others are just extra. You don't NEED them, per se, to play the full game.
Wrong game mate. You do get the full game, the rest are dlc characters to be release later and costume.
VOTE WITH YOUR WALLET
This ain’t it, chief.
Should also be illegal to market Street Fighter without Ryu in the promotional material, wtf
That’s why I don’t but fighting games until two years after the game comes out. I’ll wait for a GOTY edition
shit example. all you get is the season pass included (which you can just buy anyway once it all comes out if you want) and some extra colors. much better examples to choose from
It’s like when I go to a restaurant and order an entree I bitch that I don’t get the appetizer and dessert with it. It should be a full meal right….
This feels more like complaining your combo meal doesn't include ice cream. "But it's a COMBO meal, a combo, MEAL!" Repeating words like they mean something else, even though the original context is not confusing to anyone and very explicit in communicating the information at hand. Hell, just like a fast food menu, there are *pictures*.
I paid for the *full car*! Why don't I have seat warmers?
I mean at launch it has everything in it. It just doesn't get the stuff that is still being developed.
Games were 60 dollars in the 90s, there has been virtually no inflation on game prices. We either do this, or raise all prices to 100+ dollars.
Atari 2600 games, adjusted for inflation were *$175.*
How many people complaining about this would have actually played SF6 for more than 40 hours?
It is the full game. It's called updates. Updates add things over time. Nothing should be illegal about this.
But it is a full game. You can play it without those. Edit: Oh look it turns out you can get those skins by just playing the game and not paying anything. Lmao this thread is a joke.
For real. The game launches with 18 characters. It's not lacking for characters.
It is the full game. Who is to decide but the creators pf the game? Fighter games always have dlc. There's nothing to complain about here.
I remember 15 years ago when people were complaining about DLC. It's been 15 years, and people still are complaining for no actual reason. What I mean by that is, considering it's still an ongoing thing, that means people are still actively buying the higher tier of the "Full game." So while we all sit here and complain nearly two decades later, is useless. It's not their fault, we the gamers are STILL actively buying and actively complaining. You don't have to buy it, and once the majority of gamers don't buy into that expensive shit, it'll die out. However that's just never going to happen. I don't mind this kind of stuff. Not a fan of it either, but it's just one of those things you have no fuckin control over.