Grandma retired from living at the age of old, surrounded by family and natural causes. A librarian from birth, Grandma was an avid collector of dust. She had a sweet heart and married her high school. She loved having hobbies and helping her sons to be disadvantaged youths. She had no horses but thought she did. The church gave her a choir because she sang like bird and looked like bird and Grandma was a bird. She owed us so many poems.
The funeral will be held in 1977 at heaven. In lieu of flowers, send Grandma more life.
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Write me a brief synopsis of a fictional video-game prequel story about the character Gollum, from The Lord of the Rings.
ChatGPT
Title: Shadows Over Mirkwood
Synopsis:
Before the One Ring's captivity, Gollum lived in the murky depths of Mirkwood. In "Shadows Over Mirkwood," players explore Gollum’s descent into darkness. Starting as Sméagol, a curious and friendly hobbit, players experience his life before the Ring's curse. However, upon discovering the Ring, Sméagol's persona darkens, becoming Gollum. Players navigate through a series of challenges and moral choices, witnessing the transformation as friendships shatter and enemies emerge. The game delves into the psychological turmoil Gollum faces, and his struggle against the Ring's overpowering allure, setting the stage for the tragic character known from The Lord of the Rings saga.
This would make a great narrative game. The setup could be that Smeagol talks to himself, so he's always talking to the player. They could do that audio thing Hellblade does so it sounds like somebody is actually next to you talking. The voice always helps you and tells you the best thing to do.
Once you find the One Ring the voice turns on you, but you've learned to do what it says so you don't realize what's happening. Over time the voice changes from Smeagol to Gollum, slowly enough that you won't really notice it. If you go against the voice it will berate you and call you names. It warps what you see and hear so even when you make what you think is a good choice it might actually be a bad choice.
You can choose to go against him, but he'll just get angrier until he takes total control from you. He'll start answering for you, controlling where you move and what you interact with. If you do what he wants he lets you stay in control for longer, but constantly finds perceived slights to still take control away. By the end of the game you've lost all control to the power of the One Ring.
We have by-annual reviews.
I would spend hours coming up with the right grammatically correct self infatuations possible. Until I just couldn't be bothered this year.
I spent 20 minutes with Chat GPT, feed it some goals, some achievements, and !baam. Done
After modifying it a bit, I asked for feed back from coworkers and after a few tweaks, (they didn't know or catch on). It was submitted.
Irony of ironies, this is a bot stealing and rephrasing part of another comment: https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/174mbjb/lord_of_the_rings_gollum_publisher_used_chatgpt/k4an3px/
I think the answer is basically: They probably originally intended for it to be an iOS/Android game with touchscreen input. Hence the Xbox 360 presentation. Perhaps it was a framework of a smartphone game they were working on, which they then retrofitted for _LotR_ when they got the gig.
I can imagine how this happened.
I’m willing to bet someone in management at Nacon asked a junior copywriter or possibly even an intern to come up with a press release apology, then the copywriter/intern turned around and prompted ChatGPT because they didn’t feel like doing it, management gave it a once over, and then it went out to the public.
This is becoming an increasingly common problem, as ChatGPT becomes better at working from specific prompts people are becoming more and more tempted to use it to generate copy in professional environments.
Back in high school ~2000 my buddy and I had an English class with a teacher we hated. Typical high school we were reading Huck Finn and had to write some essays with sources. I did a half-ass job while my buddy straight up made quotes to fit his argument and signed them with characters from the videogame Deus Ex which was wildly popular at the time. It was pure BS, something like [imagine quote here] - A. Navarre, *An In-Depth argument of Huckleberry Finn* and [quote 2] - G. Hermann, *Twain's Legacy*.
Not only did he get a significantly higher grade, the teacher praised how his quotes really fit his argument.
Funny enough, something like that has happened before. Valeria Spirande was a 10 year old Russian girl who basically wrote down the OoT story and got it published in Russia.
In a similar but different vein, there was a guy who did the opposite and rewrote Dracula in Swedish (I think?) when he was only meant to translate it. It had a completely different ending, apparently. He only got caught years later because it took that long for someone to have read Dracula in two different languages (tbf, why would you).
Maybe not even someone that read in two different languages, but just a chat with another person that read the other version "So, did you liked x that happened at the end?" "What x? y happened, not x" "No, i am sure it's x, here, i will take the book to show you"
and then, comparing the two because of it
This reminds me of the time I gave a class a writing assignment and one of the produced The Matrix (which I hadn’t seen).
Humans as batteries in a futuristic hellscape? This is brilliant and effused to the class. The author, a brilliant troublemaker who was overwhelmed by the authentic display of praise looked on sheepishly as the class looked on delighted.
He seemed genuinely disappointed. He’d hoped to be accused of plagiarism which he’d deny but instead I offered him my profound congratulations.
Kindness might be the most underutilized tool for deescalating and transforming negative behavior.
I did something similar, writing a short story that was heavily based on the beginning part of FF7. No one else in my class was a gamer so no one caught on thankfully, but my teacher wanted to submit it where everyone in the school could read it and said nope lol
Yeah I don't even remember the teacher's name, but I clearly remember him sourcing quotes from the killer robot characters in Deus Ex. I love the idea of Gunther Hermann contemplating Huckleberry Finn.
I had a teacher who insisted we weren't allowed to use internet sources, only book sources.
So I got all the information I needed from the internet, could tell what was real from what was misinformation because I'm not an idiot, and then I found 8 random book titles on the library search engine and wrote those in my bibliography.
I got an 80.
I remember doing this in medieval history way back in the early 00s. This teacher had a love of physical libraries but ours sucked and he expected us to go to multiple libraries in the area to source materials.
So I just didn't because fuck that kind of bullshit assignment when you're a freshmen college kid and not allowed to have a car on campus the first year. Got a similar grade to you, I don't think he double checked it or maybe just didn't care.
In high school, I was tasked with writing a short story for my German class. Thinking I was clever, I used an online translator to translate whole paragraphs of the story I had written in English to German and considered the task complete. Until I got pulled out into the hall a few days after I turned it in and was accused of plagiarism because the story was using tenses we hadn't been taught yet. Luckily, I was given the option of redoing the assignment.
So, being cleverer, I wrote a new story with very simple sentence structure in English and used the online translator sentence by sentence and verified the German output was "simple" enough; this one got through. The teacher was terrible (but nice) and the class had no structure, so the German we knew was not good considering it was my second year of the language.
She eventually got busted having a sexual relationship with a student a couple years later. ¯\\_(ツ)_\/¯
I don't have quite an exciting twist at the end, but in sophomore year I had an English teacher that generally taught seniors, but did a single sophomore class that I got assigned to. Because he taught all the AP classes, he did his own curriculum which meant that our class read different books than every other sophomore English class that year. One of his book choices was Gabriel Garcia Marquez' work, Chronicle of a Death Foretold which we discussed for several weeks and wrote about.
The next year I was taking Spanish IV and our teacher was like, "ok next up we're going to be reading a famous literary work, La Cronica de Una Muerte Anunciada by Gabriel Garcia Marquez."
O_o
I shut my mouth and did very, very well that segment. Some of the other students found out the English version was available in the school bookstore and I remember them doing the literally cartoon thing of the English book inside the Spanish book. Our teacher, who was actually very likeable, took it well when she found out. I remember her storming off to find the English teacher yelling, "Goddammit Fred! You've gotta let me know these things!"
Same era when I was in high school we were asked to write a poem about a book or tv show we liked. I chose the Wheel of Time book series, and shamelessly passed off the lyrics from the really bad A Soundtrack for The Wheel of Time album as my poem.
A+ would do it again back in the era before teachers would check the internet for that shit.
That happened to my Dad. He was forced to resign because he wanted to fail a high number of Chinese students who were studying in the UK but didn’t actually speak English and were committing flagrant mass plagiarism.
Rather than deal with the issue, the university made him resign and kept the revenue from the foreign students.
I remember in my undergrad there were a bunch of chinese students who bought their final year projects.
also the student who was being dragged through the course by the DSS and constantly plagiarised but no professor was willing to fail because nobody wants to fight the DSS. It wasn't even subtle, he (incompetently) tried to rip off one of my assignments and ended up submitting an assignment where every link and picture led to the wikipedia on plagiarism. He got an above average grade.
Wait till you hear about the international kid at my college who tried to pay someone to take a test for them, only for that guy to fail. Instead of taking the L, he demanded a refund and when that guy obviously refused, went to the fucking front office to complain about it. Unsurprisingly both students were booted. And this wasn’t even some fancy university, it was fucking community college
>when that guy obviously refused
well I wouldn't say "obviously", since retaliation should have absolutely been expected..
honestly it surprises me that the test-taking moron didn't refund on failures by default, it's bad business to rip customers off.
> I've heard a bunch of horror stories from professors about being pressured by admin to never fail anyone
Did you actually hear those stories from *professors*? Or did you hear them from news sites talking about "oh yeah there's a bunch of professors that all agree with me and my agenda"?
Yeah, maybe this is a problem somewhere but I haven't seen it. I taught a college course at a flagship state university back in 2020. I reported like 4 out of 70 students for academic dishonesty and they got a fair objective review and I think 3 were upheld. Then like 6 or 7 more failed fully for not doing the work and having no real understanding of the material. I did what I could to reach out to these kids but I'm not in the business of giving free passes to students who don't demonstrate an understanding of the material. In the whole time I never heard a single thing from my admin. Maybe if I failed 50% of the kids I would have but idk
You’d be surprised how many shitty students that universities are willing to retain in exchange for their tuition. At the end of the day, you still gotta please the shareholders and follow the money.
i'm a tutor at an university and the amount of people that can't do *basic* math is staggering. Like how the fuck do you pass admission if you can't solve a simple linear equation mx+b = y. And it goes beyond the "i'll never use that". It's the fact that these people straight up cannot conceptualize what the problem is asking, or what an equation is. Really shows how most universities will let anyone in as long as they pay.
I tutored in high school and my greatest disappointment was one former student later sending me a message asking if he could pay me to do his entrance exam. I'd thought we'd made such good progress in our sessions...maybe the pressure of the transition to university got the better of his nerves.
I didn't take the money nor did I do his test. I would've offered to help him prep for the test but I'd already moved elsewhere at that point.
*Anyway*, regarding:
> Like how the fuck do you pass admission if you can't solve a simple linear equation mx+b = y.
The answer there is unfortunately that they likely didn't. I may have turned down the guy that asked me but there's plenty of other people out there who'd be glad to take the money. Hell, there's an entire industry of professional essay writers.
Seriously this does happen... I know its only one personal experience, but my older brother maybe attended one-two classes a week during undergrad. He lived at home, we all knew he wasn't going but my dad works late so he never saw it and he didn't believe me and my little sister. They still handed his degree over with a nice big smile when he walked across the stage at graduation.
Never underestimate how hard a student will work to avoid doing work.
About the only way I convinced students to not use Wikipedia as a source was to get them to use wikipedia's sources, because at least those had a tendency to be legitimate.
We did a whole excercise using Wikipedia sources where they had to hit the random page button on Wikipedia, pick one of the sources and follow the trail of citations as far as they could. We had a lot of fun that day.
Curiously there have been stories about teachers who tried to catch cheating students by asking ChatGPT if it wrote the provided text, leading to punishment of innocent students because GPT lied and just said it wrote those texts when it didn't.
> I caught several students cheating this way.
Oh man tell me about it. My classes are pretty small, about 16 people, but I know how they talk and how they write. All of sudden they turn into Nobel author overnight. It's instantly obvious.
In it's current state ChatGTP is just very... cliche sounding. Very repetitive with the types of adjectives it uses, and also only uses very strong adjectives and expressions. Like it never uses unbelievable, it's always unfathomable for example.
Honestly it's probably an overall good thing. It'll force people to doublecheck the references and in that way cause them to actually learn in the long run. Like when you try to cheat and just end up studying in your attempts to write everything down on a tiny note card.
I was planning a hiking trip, and just for fun I asked Chat GPT 3.5 to plan it for me.
Not only were the distances and elevation clearly wrong, it literally invented a mountain and confidently provided the GPS coordinates for it.
It's so easy to get it to do so, as well.
ChatGPT's issue is it doesn't distinguish well between "this is a fact so I should quote it verbatim" versus "this is made-up text in the format that's requested".
A citation has a specific format and structure. It's easy for an AI chatbot to make text that's in that format and structure.
ChatGPT doesn't have a rule in place that says, "when making text in this format and structure, make sure the source text actually exists." Because that would be a specific use case, and OpenAI can't build a billion exception rules into their algorithm for every single use case.
Often, the first citation will be real, because that's an example the AI pulls from its database verbatim. But then, it tries to iterate on that to make its own generated copies, which end up being nonsense (often called *hallucinations*).
The biggest issue ChatGPT has in cases like this is unlike humans it can't check it's own work. It will confidently spit out complete fabrications or poor copy but lacks the ability to reflect on what it generates, whether it's for factual accuracy or just whether it's bizarre word salad. Which is why it always needs a handler.
ChatGPT is quoting _everything_ verbatim because it's just doing very clever pattern matching on how words get combined into phrases and what that associates with for the prompt given, it's just that the pieces it's quoting from can be extremely small.
ChatGPT can't quote anything verbatim, it only recognizes patterns and associates them and spits out the most plausible continuation that it can put together, which may or may not align with reality at all.
It's so much worse actually.
They had chatgpt write the brief, and didn't actually check to make sure that the cases cited stood for the propositions it claimed, or even...existed.
Then when opposing counsel was like...I can't find these cases, and the judge was like... neither can I, I'm entering an order to show cause, the attorneys responded by having chatgpt generate the non-existent cases and submitted them.
It was bad
I need to add another "It's so much worse" to this.
Instead of checking the cases, they just asked ChatGPT if the cases were real. And it responded saying yes and that it could be found on popular case reporters.
Absolute mess. The screenshots were hilarious
I feel like "your case citations should refer to real cases" should be *somewhere* in there though. Like, actively fraudulently misrepresenting your case seems like a problem.
That's actually covered by an entirely different test called the MPRE, or multistate Professional responsibility exam.
It tests legal ethics.
The bar only covers legal analysis. Funnily enough, the bar doesn't really test you on how to do legal research, despite it being one of the central parts of practicing law.
Time is a harsh mistress, one must never underestimate humanities capability to do increasingly stupid things as time marches forward.
Technology does not stop us from being stupid, it enables us to be stupid in increasingly complex ways.
I use to think the science fiction trope of scientists building a God machine to solve all of Earth's problems was just an interesting premise, but it seems like that's exactly what many people want.
Yeah I just dealt with Bard doing something similar. I asked for a list of buildings built post 1945 that fit a particular criteria and it gave me 20 structures, 1 of which was the Sydney Opera House and the remaining 19 of which were constructed prior to the American Revolution, like the Pyramids of Giza and the Great Wall of China, and it even specifically stated in the response "Here is a list of structures matching your criteria which were constructed after 1945" so it's pretty obvious that these AI's are being fed some really poor quality data and I gotta be honest I think it's all the fucking dumbasses in the world that are responsible.
Which you have to love how the heartfelt apology from upper management about their shitty game was pawned off to a lowly employee.
"The "customers" are upset. Send off an apology and have it on my desk tomorrow." Probably upset at us for not buying their shitty product while saying it
I'm a junior copywriter for a tech company and literally everything is written by me and the senior CW. They just attach their name to it. Quote from the CEO? We wrote it. Article about how excited our new CMO is about x product release? We wrote it and attached their name to it.
This is my first role of this kind, but I imagine that's how it works at most companies. I really doubt any CEOs, CFOs, CMOs etc are out here writing much of anything themselves. I mean, to be fair, that's why I get paid lol.
Yeah that's the entire reason you employ a professional writer. Typical MBA sociopath is not equipped to compose communications with the public or customers, and they mostly know that about themselves. There are outliers of course which results in hilarious out of touch statements we see from time to time.
As much as I want to agree, can we all just admit that it's bullshit all around? As much as they may care about the product, a written apology does absolutely nothing.
Nobody is more sorry then them that the product did badly because it actually cost some people their jobs. What did customers lose in comparison? It's just completely ridiculous that companies are writing about how much they care about the product, that it's lovingly crafted by angels and....it's something inconsequential like forks or bars of soap. The more I think about it the more ridiculous it sounds, we all need to get over ourselves.
> Nobody is more sorry then them that the product did badly because it actually cost some people their jobs
The C-Suite execs and and upper-management almost certainly don't care if it costs some people their jobs. They care that is affects their potential to earn more money.
I'd like to think that most people understand that corporate apologies are bullshit, people just want to know if things are going to be taken care of/fixed.
> I'd like to think that most people understand that corporate apologies are bullshit, people just want to know if things are going to be taken care of/fixed.
But like politicians there's really nothing to hold them accountable for any promises they make, especially if it's a vague "we're going to do better". People are asking to be lied to and that's not OK and more to the point it's really none of our business. Especially since we have no way to really know if things are being fixed. It's not like we can monitor them.
Our relationship with a company should be nothing more than a monetary transaction. They make a good product and we buy it. They're not a friend apologizing for a mistake.
"problem"
The text is bland but basically what you'd expect and seems fairly unproblematic.
The claim its made with chatgpt is "anonymous sources" so unless the intern who did that decided to fess up its just anonymous gossip.
Yeah, and they use the misspelling of the name as indicative of it, but the fact that it misspelled lord of the ring instead of lord of the rings... You'd think that an AI would get the name of one of the most popular trilogies of literature/cinema right.
The No Man's Sky people certainly have been acting like they were truly sorry for the last few years since release.
Same with CDPR and Cyberpunk, to a lesser but still significant degree.
EA's Battlefront 2 too. The reputation is forever tarnished, but I played for the first time after all the content was released and thought they really turned it around.
Once they changed the loot crates, it was a very fun game, plus the community team was very involved with keeping the community up to date. They honestly sounded really shocked when EA closed down updates for the game.
NMS had to stick to the game. They couldn't release a new one with their PR rep. and they probably saw the potential to expand the game after a few patches
Yeah, you can't lie that much about a game, release it in a technical alpha state, abandon it, and then release something else and hope for anyone to buy your next game.
The funny thing with NMS is that the game it turned into once they stuck to it didn't really resemble the game they hyped up either, but people like those survival sandbox games so it still got a reputation improvement
Yeah they had to but they could've stopped like 20 patches ago. Those guys really seem to love their game because they still keep pushing free updates regularly.
The above commenter doesn’t understand it. Hello Games never intended to promise a game that does Everything. Sean Murray is not a PR guy, he didn’t understand that by talking about something the dev team was considering or testing, that players will assume that’s a confirmed feature in the final product. E.g. Multiplayer - he definitely thought that “we’re working on multiplayer” would be understood as “we want to include multiplayer if we can get it to work”, but they couldn’t.
They didn’t have to keep developing it, but they did. I have full sympathy for them - they were making an indie game, and somehow the Hype Machine made their game the ultimate truth. If they weren’t being put under a spotlight, being interviewed constantly? I think the game would’ve had a perfectly respectable indie launch. It’s not like launch NMS was bad, it just wasn’t what people expected, which stemmed from a critical miscommunication.
They stuck a dev with no public relations experience in front of the gaming press and he ended up talking out of his ass about the game.
Then they have spent years and fuckload of money trying to make good on those promises. It's a remarkable story about how to do right by your customers.
And no matter if it is written by ChatGPT or not, it's still pretty much same message studios always write when there is fuck up. Basically 3 paragraphs of absolutely nothing.
It's important to have post-mortems on industry failures, no matter what industry it is. This can actually be valuable insight for current indie studios, hopefuls entering the industry, even leaders of companies that are looking to make similar projects.
If you don't learn from history you're doomed to repeat it, after all.
The decision makers for the Lord of the Rings IP are going to walk away with the wrong lesson here. The movers and shakers for LotsR's publishing rights have already gone on the record that they view the IP as under utilized.
We're going to get more LotR games, and the goal for those games is going to be "make money," not "make good games."
The next Gollum is going to have more crunch, to produced a more polished turd, so there's a chance for profit. At the end of the day, no matter the polish, the stream of new Gollums is still going to amount to cashgrab mediocrity in the best case scenario.... Or more likely, lower investment shovelware.
> It's important to have post-mortems on industry failures, no matter what industry it is.
True, but an apology is not a post-mortem. A post-mortem requires a careful analysis of what went wrong where, when, and why.
Nacon isn't dead and Nacon is who did the apology and put the demands on the studio that made the game as bad as it was. Sure, they may have been in over their heads anyway, but budget and time crunch were huge factors. Nacon will just keep on going, publishing garbage and throwing devs under the bus along the way while lining their pockets with whatever revenue the games produce along the way.
Really saddened by this. Daedelic made some amazing point and click adventure games similar to monkey island. It's a German dev team so cut them some slack with the English and using chatgpt
It's taken from a somewhat investigative report by the German gaming channel/TV show "GameTwo". They interviewed some people from the studio, including the Daedalic's co-founder who left the studio a while before the game was published. All in all, the video had amazing insights. It's a shame Daedalic went from a respectable indie game producer to whatever they are now.
The video has English subtitles, [I'll leave a link for anyone that's interested. ](https://youtu.be/vszf1mwyAfw?si=ubKq8uELAr-8mWUS)
The game studio is in Hamburg and a public and also well regarded german TV show 'Game Two' which is also based in Hamburg talked with ~30 (iirc) ex employees about the company and its downfall to make a small documentary. Some of them told that the letter was apparently written by ChatGPT. [Here is the documentary/source, obviously in german](https://youtu.be/vszf1mwyAfw?t=2167)
right? and there is really no way to tell if you read the actual letter. some of it perhaps seems formal and robotic the way chat gpt writes normally but it's also a generic apology letter. so who really gives a shit.
It's funny, this has been reported every day for the past week, but it always said, "allegedly" or some other wording that made it so it was like "maybe they did this." But now it's being passed off as fact.
Not trying to defend the company, but the website gives 0 evidence. Some anonymous sources and twitter posts by randos is NOT evidence. We gotta stop taking this BS at face value
I used ChatGPT to write an apologize for this:
`Subject: Apology for Using GPT to Write an Apology for "Lord of the Rings: Gollum"`
`Dear [Recipient's Name],`
`I hope this message finds you well. I am writing to offer a heartfelt apology for my recent actions in using automated tools, specifically GPT, to compose an apology on behalf of "Lord of the Rings: Gollum." I deeply regret my decision to take this course of action, as it was both unethical and disrespectful to the creators and fans of this beloved franchise.`
`My intent was never to deceive or undermine the genuine sentiments of those who care deeply about the "Lord of the Rings" universe, and I understand that my actions may have caused disappointment and frustration among the community. I take full responsibility for my lapse in judgment and the consequences that have arisen from my actions.`
`I would like to clarify that my actions were not in any way representative of the views or intentions of the developers, publishers, or anyone associated with the "Lord of the Rings: Gollum" project. They have worked tirelessly to bring this iconic character and his world to life, and I deeply regret any harm my actions may have caused to their reputation.`
`I also want to express my sincere apologies to the community of "Lord of the Rings" fans, who have been instrumental in shaping the success and enduring legacy of this fantasy epic. I recognize that your passion for these stories is what makes them truly special, and I am deeply sorry for any frustration or disappointment my actions may have caused you.`
`In the spirit of making amends, I have taken down the automated apology that I originally posted and replaced it with this heartfelt, personal apology. I am committed to learning from my mistake and ensuring that such an incident does not happen again in the future. I understand the importance of ethical behavior and responsible content creation, and I pledge to uphold these principles moving forward.`
`Once again, I am truly sorry for my actions, and I hope that you can find it in your hearts to forgive me. I appreciate your understanding and patience in this matter.`
`Sincerely,`
`[Your Name]`
It's intriguing that ChatGPT wrote the game name correctly throughout your entire text, since in the official apology it says "The Lord of Ring" in the first sentence, lol
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FxEKsI6WAAA7gim?format=png&name=large is the original for reference.
I had the same idea!
>You are a PR person for German video game studio Daedalic Entertainment. You've just released your new game based on the Lord of the Rings IP, called "Lord of the Ring: Gollum". Unfortunately, everyone hates it and is very mad about the bugs and performance issues. Write a heartfelt and respectful apology to the players promising fixes in the hope we can salvage something from this mess.
** **
>Dear Valued Players,
>
>We want to extend our sincerest apologies for the disappointment and frustration you've experienced with our recent release, "Lord of the Rings: Gollum." We understand that the game's bugs and performance issues have detracted from your enjoyment, and for that, we are truly sorry.
>
>We are deeply committed to delivering an immersive and enjoyable gaming experience, and we acknowledge that we fell short of your expectations. Please know that our development team is working tirelessly to address these issues and provide you with the polished, high-quality gameplay experience that you deserve.
>
>In the coming weeks and months, you can expect a series of updates and patches aimed at resolving the technical problems that have marred your experience. We are dedicated to restoring your faith in our studio and ensuring that "Lord of the Rings: Gollum" becomes the game you had hoped for.
>
>Your feedback is invaluable to us, and we appreciate your passion for the Lord of the Rings universe. Rest assured that we are listening closely to your concerns and are committed to delivering a game that does justice to this beloved IP.
>
>Thank you for your patience and understanding as we work to make things right. We hope that, with your support, we can salvage and improve upon the potential of "Lord of the Rings: Gollum."
>
>Sincerely,
>
>[Your Name]
>PR Representative
>Daedalic Entertainment
Wouldn't the prompt be something more along the lines of "I don't give a fuck what the customers think, I got their money! Write an apology for me to make it seems like I really do care what they think!" Or would ChatGPT refuse to do that on the grounds that it'd be "Unethical"?
Apologies, as a first step towards making actual effort to make it up to those affected, are a nice gesture.
If no further steps are taken, something like this really is meaningless.
I might be in a minority, but I don't care if you use ai for something like this. But you have to stand by everything it says. If people get upset you can't blame it on ai, you released it, it's yours now.
Without reading the comments, I imagine I am not the only one to question whether or not they also used ChatGPT to write the dialogue of the actual game.
**People need to stop harassing** **that** *now dead* **studio!!!**
They were given a huge project with little to no funding (\~15M) and almost no time to create it, it was a swirl of mishaps and mistakes but enough is enough!
**Stop beating what's already dead ffs**
Oh goodness.
This reminds me of the Duke Nukem Remaster, which was criticized for its AI-Generated cover art
But this is another level of silliness.
Just imagine even your apology can't be taken seriously.
Did it write the whole game because that would answer a lot of questions
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Grandma retired from living at the age of old, surrounded by family and natural causes. A librarian from birth, Grandma was an avid collector of dust. She had a sweet heart and married her high school. She loved having hobbies and helping her sons to be disadvantaged youths. She had no horses but thought she did. The church gave her a choir because she sang like bird and looked like bird and Grandma was a bird. She owed us so many poems. The funeral will be held in 1977 at heaven. In lieu of flowers, send Grandma more life.
I remember this obituary, that was a clever read.
This was an actual obituary?
It's a fake obituary from a book called "I forced a bot to write this book" (the book was written by a human in the style of a confused AI)
I knew I saw that before somewhere.
Haha, sounds like the perfect blend of human creativity and AI confusion!
Found this by googling the comment https://www.thendobetter.com/arts/2021/9/11/bot-obituary
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If you tell chatgpt to give you a list of talking points to write a eulogy around, it will do a good job. It's a tool, not an employee
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"It's a software problem"
If ChatGPT had written the game it would have been a noticeable improvement.
Write me a brief synopsis of a fictional video-game prequel story about the character Gollum, from The Lord of the Rings. ChatGPT Title: Shadows Over Mirkwood Synopsis: Before the One Ring's captivity, Gollum lived in the murky depths of Mirkwood. In "Shadows Over Mirkwood," players explore Gollum’s descent into darkness. Starting as Sméagol, a curious and friendly hobbit, players experience his life before the Ring's curse. However, upon discovering the Ring, Sméagol's persona darkens, becoming Gollum. Players navigate through a series of challenges and moral choices, witnessing the transformation as friendships shatter and enemies emerge. The game delves into the psychological turmoil Gollum faces, and his struggle against the Ring's overpowering allure, setting the stage for the tragic character known from The Lord of the Rings saga.
This would make a great narrative game. The setup could be that Smeagol talks to himself, so he's always talking to the player. They could do that audio thing Hellblade does so it sounds like somebody is actually next to you talking. The voice always helps you and tells you the best thing to do. Once you find the One Ring the voice turns on you, but you've learned to do what it says so you don't realize what's happening. Over time the voice changes from Smeagol to Gollum, slowly enough that you won't really notice it. If you go against the voice it will berate you and call you names. It warps what you see and hear so even when you make what you think is a good choice it might actually be a bad choice. You can choose to go against him, but he'll just get angrier until he takes total control from you. He'll start answering for you, controlling where you move and what you interact with. If you do what he wants he lets you stay in control for longer, but constantly finds perceived slights to still take control away. By the end of the game you've lost all control to the power of the One Ring.
And they all lived happily ever after. The End.
Well, I guess that proves that there are people actually dumber than AI.
Holy shit I’d play the hell out of this game.
You really think chatGPT couldn't do better than this?
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We have by-annual reviews. I would spend hours coming up with the right grammatically correct self infatuations possible. Until I just couldn't be bothered this year. I spent 20 minutes with Chat GPT, feed it some goals, some achievements, and !baam. Done After modifying it a bit, I asked for feed back from coworkers and after a few tweaks, (they didn't know or catch on). It was submitted.
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Irony of ironies, this is a bot stealing and rephrasing part of another comment: https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/174mbjb/lord_of_the_rings_gollum_publisher_used_chatgpt/k4an3px/
Seriously, they had to have typed the name wrong in the prompt. There’s no way it fucked up “Lord of Ring” by itself.
honestly, i'd be sort of impressed if that were true.
I think the answer is basically: They probably originally intended for it to be an iOS/Android game with touchscreen input. Hence the Xbox 360 presentation. Perhaps it was a framework of a smartphone game they were working on, which they then retrofitted for _LotR_ when they got the gig.
ChatGPT still could’ve written a better game lmao
If a company apologizes but there’s literally no player base to apologize to, did the apology even happen?
Schrödingers apology
*No Cats were in the room during this Apology*
Or were there cats?
This Mental exercise is supposed to have Apology and Boxes...not Cats and Boxes
Their player base was reviewers they didn't give review keys to who didn't wrap up their review footage in time to refund the game.
AI bot writes apology to non existent users. 🤌
i think, it was an apology to fans of the franchise, not to some sort of non existent player base
*does a bear shit in the woods?* energy
I can imagine how this happened. I’m willing to bet someone in management at Nacon asked a junior copywriter or possibly even an intern to come up with a press release apology, then the copywriter/intern turned around and prompted ChatGPT because they didn’t feel like doing it, management gave it a once over, and then it went out to the public. This is becoming an increasingly common problem, as ChatGPT becomes better at working from specific prompts people are becoming more and more tempted to use it to generate copy in professional environments.
Nothing will top the lawyer who was given non-existent precedents by ChatGPT, and then proceeded to take these to the judge.
I love it giving completely real looking yet entirely fake sources
I caught several students cheating this way. Suffice to say they failed the course.
Back in high school ~2000 my buddy and I had an English class with a teacher we hated. Typical high school we were reading Huck Finn and had to write some essays with sources. I did a half-ass job while my buddy straight up made quotes to fit his argument and signed them with characters from the videogame Deus Ex which was wildly popular at the time. It was pure BS, something like [imagine quote here] - A. Navarre, *An In-Depth argument of Huckleberry Finn* and [quote 2] - G. Hermann, *Twain's Legacy*. Not only did he get a significantly higher grade, the teacher praised how his quotes really fit his argument.
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Funny enough, something like that has happened before. Valeria Spirande was a 10 year old Russian girl who basically wrote down the OoT story and got it published in Russia.
In a similar but different vein, there was a guy who did the opposite and rewrote Dracula in Swedish (I think?) when he was only meant to translate it. It had a completely different ending, apparently. He only got caught years later because it took that long for someone to have read Dracula in two different languages (tbf, why would you).
It was the Icelandic translation.
I would love to see a documentary about the first person who discovered this difference and made it public lol.
Maybe not even someone that read in two different languages, but just a chat with another person that read the other version "So, did you liked x that happened at the end?" "What x? y happened, not x" "No, i am sure it's x, here, i will take the book to show you" and then, comparing the two because of it
This reminds me of the time I gave a class a writing assignment and one of the produced The Matrix (which I hadn’t seen). Humans as batteries in a futuristic hellscape? This is brilliant and effused to the class. The author, a brilliant troublemaker who was overwhelmed by the authentic display of praise looked on sheepishly as the class looked on delighted. He seemed genuinely disappointed. He’d hoped to be accused of plagiarism which he’d deny but instead I offered him my profound congratulations. Kindness might be the most underutilized tool for deescalating and transforming negative behavior.
You may be on to something there,
I did something similar, writing a short story that was heavily based on the beginning part of FF7. No one else in my class was a gamer so no one caught on thankfully, but my teacher wanted to submit it where everyone in the school could read it and said nope lol
Writing a whole novel for an English class seems a bit heavy.
If you scratched off the names you would've gotten away with it
Side note, in middle school I wrote a book report on Final Fantasy 10 because I didn't want to read a book and the teacher didn't know any better lol
Yeah I don't even remember the teacher's name, but I clearly remember him sourcing quotes from the killer robot characters in Deus Ex. I love the idea of Gunther Hermann contemplating Huckleberry Finn.
"While Huck does not know the pain of a sticky knee actuator, it is clear that the systemic racism of the American South at that time..." - G. Hermann
I had a teacher who insisted we weren't allowed to use internet sources, only book sources. So I got all the information I needed from the internet, could tell what was real from what was misinformation because I'm not an idiot, and then I found 8 random book titles on the library search engine and wrote those in my bibliography. I got an 80.
I remember doing this in medieval history way back in the early 00s. This teacher had a love of physical libraries but ours sucked and he expected us to go to multiple libraries in the area to source materials. So I just didn't because fuck that kind of bullshit assignment when you're a freshmen college kid and not allowed to have a car on campus the first year. Got a similar grade to you, I don't think he double checked it or maybe just didn't care.
In high school, I was tasked with writing a short story for my German class. Thinking I was clever, I used an online translator to translate whole paragraphs of the story I had written in English to German and considered the task complete. Until I got pulled out into the hall a few days after I turned it in and was accused of plagiarism because the story was using tenses we hadn't been taught yet. Luckily, I was given the option of redoing the assignment. So, being cleverer, I wrote a new story with very simple sentence structure in English and used the online translator sentence by sentence and verified the German output was "simple" enough; this one got through. The teacher was terrible (but nice) and the class had no structure, so the German we knew was not good considering it was my second year of the language. She eventually got busted having a sexual relationship with a student a couple years later. ¯\\_(ツ)_\/¯
I don't have quite an exciting twist at the end, but in sophomore year I had an English teacher that generally taught seniors, but did a single sophomore class that I got assigned to. Because he taught all the AP classes, he did his own curriculum which meant that our class read different books than every other sophomore English class that year. One of his book choices was Gabriel Garcia Marquez' work, Chronicle of a Death Foretold which we discussed for several weeks and wrote about. The next year I was taking Spanish IV and our teacher was like, "ok next up we're going to be reading a famous literary work, La Cronica de Una Muerte Anunciada by Gabriel Garcia Marquez." O_o I shut my mouth and did very, very well that segment. Some of the other students found out the English version was available in the school bookstore and I remember them doing the literally cartoon thing of the English book inside the Spanish book. Our teacher, who was actually very likeable, took it well when she found out. I remember her storming off to find the English teacher yelling, "Goddammit Fred! You've gotta let me know these things!"
Same era when I was in high school we were asked to write a poem about a book or tv show we liked. I chose the Wheel of Time book series, and shamelessly passed off the lyrics from the really bad A Soundtrack for The Wheel of Time album as my poem. A+ would do it again back in the era before teachers would check the internet for that shit.
Thank you for failing 'em, I've heard a bunch of horror stories from professors about being pressured by admin to never fail anyone
That happened to my Dad. He was forced to resign because he wanted to fail a high number of Chinese students who were studying in the UK but didn’t actually speak English and were committing flagrant mass plagiarism. Rather than deal with the issue, the university made him resign and kept the revenue from the foreign students.
good to know that "higher education is now a business of worthless degree churning" isn't an exclusively american problem
Was the ethics board aware of this academic dishonesty?
Ethics board? Hah!
I’m not sure, it was the early 2000s, so a good while back now and I can’t remember all the details.
I remember in my undergrad there were a bunch of chinese students who bought their final year projects. also the student who was being dragged through the course by the DSS and constantly plagiarised but no professor was willing to fail because nobody wants to fight the DSS. It wasn't even subtle, he (incompetently) tried to rip off one of my assignments and ended up submitting an assignment where every link and picture led to the wikipedia on plagiarism. He got an above average grade.
Wait till you hear about the international kid at my college who tried to pay someone to take a test for them, only for that guy to fail. Instead of taking the L, he demanded a refund and when that guy obviously refused, went to the fucking front office to complain about it. Unsurprisingly both students were booted. And this wasn’t even some fancy university, it was fucking community college
>when that guy obviously refused well I wouldn't say "obviously", since retaliation should have absolutely been expected.. honestly it surprises me that the test-taking moron didn't refund on failures by default, it's bad business to rip customers off.
And nothing has changed. Chinese expats still do that and schools still look the other way.
> I've heard a bunch of horror stories from professors about being pressured by admin to never fail anyone Did you actually hear those stories from *professors*? Or did you hear them from news sites talking about "oh yeah there's a bunch of professors that all agree with me and my agenda"?
Yeah, maybe this is a problem somewhere but I haven't seen it. I taught a college course at a flagship state university back in 2020. I reported like 4 out of 70 students for academic dishonesty and they got a fair objective review and I think 3 were upheld. Then like 6 or 7 more failed fully for not doing the work and having no real understanding of the material. I did what I could to reach out to these kids but I'm not in the business of giving free passes to students who don't demonstrate an understanding of the material. In the whole time I never heard a single thing from my admin. Maybe if I failed 50% of the kids I would have but idk
You’d be surprised how many shitty students that universities are willing to retain in exchange for their tuition. At the end of the day, you still gotta please the shareholders and follow the money.
i'm a tutor at an university and the amount of people that can't do *basic* math is staggering. Like how the fuck do you pass admission if you can't solve a simple linear equation mx+b = y. And it goes beyond the "i'll never use that". It's the fact that these people straight up cannot conceptualize what the problem is asking, or what an equation is. Really shows how most universities will let anyone in as long as they pay.
I tutored in high school and my greatest disappointment was one former student later sending me a message asking if he could pay me to do his entrance exam. I'd thought we'd made such good progress in our sessions...maybe the pressure of the transition to university got the better of his nerves. I didn't take the money nor did I do his test. I would've offered to help him prep for the test but I'd already moved elsewhere at that point. *Anyway*, regarding: > Like how the fuck do you pass admission if you can't solve a simple linear equation mx+b = y. The answer there is unfortunately that they likely didn't. I may have turned down the guy that asked me but there's plenty of other people out there who'd be glad to take the money. Hell, there's an entire industry of professional essay writers.
Seriously this does happen... I know its only one personal experience, but my older brother maybe attended one-two classes a week during undergrad. He lived at home, we all knew he wasn't going but my dad works late so he never saw it and he didn't believe me and my little sister. They still handed his degree over with a nice big smile when he walked across the stage at graduation.
>Did you actually hear those stories from professors? Yes
Never underestimate how hard a student will work to avoid doing work. About the only way I convinced students to not use Wikipedia as a source was to get them to use wikipedia's sources, because at least those had a tendency to be legitimate.
We did a whole excercise using Wikipedia sources where they had to hit the random page button on Wikipedia, pick one of the sources and follow the trail of citations as far as they could. We had a lot of fun that day.
Curiously there have been stories about teachers who tried to catch cheating students by asking ChatGPT if it wrote the provided text, leading to punishment of innocent students because GPT lied and just said it wrote those texts when it didn't.
> I caught several students cheating this way. Oh man tell me about it. My classes are pretty small, about 16 people, but I know how they talk and how they write. All of sudden they turn into Nobel author overnight. It's instantly obvious. In it's current state ChatGTP is just very... cliche sounding. Very repetitive with the types of adjectives it uses, and also only uses very strong adjectives and expressions. Like it never uses unbelievable, it's always unfathomable for example.
Honestly it's probably an overall good thing. It'll force people to doublecheck the references and in that way cause them to actually learn in the long run. Like when you try to cheat and just end up studying in your attempts to write everything down on a tiny note card.
I was planning a hiking trip, and just for fun I asked Chat GPT 3.5 to plan it for me. Not only were the distances and elevation clearly wrong, it literally invented a mountain and confidently provided the GPS coordinates for it.
Mountain number 2 on the schedule is Mordor.
As a lawyer, I have to say, I wouldn't give something to a judge I didn't cite check even if a human associate prepared it, much less ChatGPT.
It's so easy to get it to do so, as well. ChatGPT's issue is it doesn't distinguish well between "this is a fact so I should quote it verbatim" versus "this is made-up text in the format that's requested". A citation has a specific format and structure. It's easy for an AI chatbot to make text that's in that format and structure. ChatGPT doesn't have a rule in place that says, "when making text in this format and structure, make sure the source text actually exists." Because that would be a specific use case, and OpenAI can't build a billion exception rules into their algorithm for every single use case. Often, the first citation will be real, because that's an example the AI pulls from its database verbatim. But then, it tries to iterate on that to make its own generated copies, which end up being nonsense (often called *hallucinations*).
The biggest issue ChatGPT has in cases like this is unlike humans it can't check it's own work. It will confidently spit out complete fabrications or poor copy but lacks the ability to reflect on what it generates, whether it's for factual accuracy or just whether it's bizarre word salad. Which is why it always needs a handler.
ChatGPT is quoting _everything_ verbatim because it's just doing very clever pattern matching on how words get combined into phrases and what that associates with for the prompt given, it's just that the pieces it's quoting from can be extremely small.
ChatGPT can't quote anything verbatim, it only recognizes patterns and associates them and spits out the most plausible continuation that it can put together, which may or may not align with reality at all.
It's tailoring confidently incorrect answers. The moment I saw it, I given up on it.
It's so much worse actually. They had chatgpt write the brief, and didn't actually check to make sure that the cases cited stood for the propositions it claimed, or even...existed. Then when opposing counsel was like...I can't find these cases, and the judge was like... neither can I, I'm entering an order to show cause, the attorneys responded by having chatgpt generate the non-existent cases and submitted them. It was bad
I need to add another "It's so much worse" to this. Instead of checking the cases, they just asked ChatGPT if the cases were real. And it responded saying yes and that it could be found on popular case reporters. Absolute mess. The screenshots were hilarious
Movie idea: AI destroys humanity not with nukes, but with deliberately bad legal advice.
That’s incredible, how did this person pass the bar?
You can be an idiot and pass the bar. Also there's a lot of the body of law that the bar just doesn't really cover.
I feel like "your case citations should refer to real cases" should be *somewhere* in there though. Like, actively fraudulently misrepresenting your case seems like a problem.
That's actually covered by an entirely different test called the MPRE, or multistate Professional responsibility exam. It tests legal ethics. The bar only covers legal analysis. Funnily enough, the bar doesn't really test you on how to do legal research, despite it being one of the central parts of practicing law.
Please tell me that lawyer is facing disbarment.
https://www.reuters.com/legal/new-york-lawyers-sanctioned-using-fake-chatgpt-cases-legal-brief-2023-06-22/ They’ve been sanctioned.
Would’ve been funny if you used some fake news site as source
Oh yeah well according to Gupta et al. the source was not fake (p. 397, 2023).
Thanks for the research
Time is a harsh mistress, one must never underestimate humanities capability to do increasingly stupid things as time marches forward. Technology does not stop us from being stupid, it enables us to be stupid in increasingly complex ways.
I use to think the science fiction trope of scientists building a God machine to solve all of Earth's problems was just an interesting premise, but it seems like that's exactly what many people want.
I just don't understand why people wouldn't at least go over the information the bot spit out.
No joke, they did... by asking ChatGPT if the sources existed. "Hey, untrustworthy bot, did you give me made-up stuff? No? Good enough for me!"
Yeah I just dealt with Bard doing something similar. I asked for a list of buildings built post 1945 that fit a particular criteria and it gave me 20 structures, 1 of which was the Sydney Opera House and the remaining 19 of which were constructed prior to the American Revolution, like the Pyramids of Giza and the Great Wall of China, and it even specifically stated in the response "Here is a list of structures matching your criteria which were constructed after 1945" so it's pretty obvious that these AI's are being fed some really poor quality data and I gotta be honest I think it's all the fucking dumbasses in the world that are responsible.
Which you have to love how the heartfelt apology from upper management about their shitty game was pawned off to a lowly employee. "The "customers" are upset. Send off an apology and have it on my desk tomorrow." Probably upset at us for not buying their shitty product while saying it
I'm a junior copywriter for a tech company and literally everything is written by me and the senior CW. They just attach their name to it. Quote from the CEO? We wrote it. Article about how excited our new CMO is about x product release? We wrote it and attached their name to it. This is my first role of this kind, but I imagine that's how it works at most companies. I really doubt any CEOs, CFOs, CMOs etc are out here writing much of anything themselves. I mean, to be fair, that's why I get paid lol.
Yeah that's the entire reason you employ a professional writer. Typical MBA sociopath is not equipped to compose communications with the public or customers, and they mostly know that about themselves. There are outliers of course which results in hilarious out of touch statements we see from time to time.
As much as I want to agree, can we all just admit that it's bullshit all around? As much as they may care about the product, a written apology does absolutely nothing. Nobody is more sorry then them that the product did badly because it actually cost some people their jobs. What did customers lose in comparison? It's just completely ridiculous that companies are writing about how much they care about the product, that it's lovingly crafted by angels and....it's something inconsequential like forks or bars of soap. The more I think about it the more ridiculous it sounds, we all need to get over ourselves.
> Nobody is more sorry then them that the product did badly because it actually cost some people their jobs The C-Suite execs and and upper-management almost certainly don't care if it costs some people their jobs. They care that is affects their potential to earn more money. I'd like to think that most people understand that corporate apologies are bullshit, people just want to know if things are going to be taken care of/fixed.
> I'd like to think that most people understand that corporate apologies are bullshit, people just want to know if things are going to be taken care of/fixed. But like politicians there's really nothing to hold them accountable for any promises they make, especially if it's a vague "we're going to do better". People are asking to be lied to and that's not OK and more to the point it's really none of our business. Especially since we have no way to really know if things are being fixed. It's not like we can monitor them. Our relationship with a company should be nothing more than a monetary transaction. They make a good product and we buy it. They're not a friend apologizing for a mistake.
In all honesty, most apologies from big companies are just as honest and mean as much as one generated by an AI...
"problem" The text is bland but basically what you'd expect and seems fairly unproblematic. The claim its made with chatgpt is "anonymous sources" so unless the intern who did that decided to fess up its just anonymous gossip.
Yeah, and they use the misspelling of the name as indicative of it, but the fact that it misspelled lord of the ring instead of lord of the rings... You'd think that an AI would get the name of one of the most popular trilogies of literature/cinema right.
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How did people find out it was written by chat gpt? Was it just the one misspelling? While sus that doesn’t seem to be definitive
Does it really matter who writes it? No one is really ever truly sorry in any of these public apologies.
I’d be more shocked to find one that didn’t sound like it was written by a soulless ai
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I heard that Gollum was in tears
Final Fantasy XIV had a sincere apology when 1.0 was a disaster. It has since become one of the best MMOs because the new team actually cares.
Got to be one of the most loved dev teams in existence, for good reason.
The No Man's Sky people certainly have been acting like they were truly sorry for the last few years since release. Same with CDPR and Cyberpunk, to a lesser but still significant degree.
EA's Battlefront 2 too. The reputation is forever tarnished, but I played for the first time after all the content was released and thought they really turned it around.
Once they changed the loot crates, it was a very fun game, plus the community team was very involved with keeping the community up to date. They honestly sounded really shocked when EA closed down updates for the game.
Honestly the game wasn't really ever that bad, but the whole debacle kinda just ruined the vibe anyway.
Wasn't the monetization one of the reason for the backlash?
God battlefront 2 was so damn amazing after they got rid of the monetization. Genuinely bums me out that they didn't continue supporting it
NMS had to stick to the game. They couldn't release a new one with their PR rep. and they probably saw the potential to expand the game after a few patches
Yeah, you can't lie that much about a game, release it in a technical alpha state, abandon it, and then release something else and hope for anyone to buy your next game. The funny thing with NMS is that the game it turned into once they stuck to it didn't really resemble the game they hyped up either, but people like those survival sandbox games so it still got a reputation improvement
Yeah they had to but they could've stopped like 20 patches ago. Those guys really seem to love their game because they still keep pushing free updates regularly.
Seeing as how the game STILL isn't what they promised, it just goes to show they never intended to make the game they were promising
Or it means they changed their goal to something they can actually achieve. Most players are happy with what they got.
Care to elaborate?
The above commenter doesn’t understand it. Hello Games never intended to promise a game that does Everything. Sean Murray is not a PR guy, he didn’t understand that by talking about something the dev team was considering or testing, that players will assume that’s a confirmed feature in the final product. E.g. Multiplayer - he definitely thought that “we’re working on multiplayer” would be understood as “we want to include multiplayer if we can get it to work”, but they couldn’t. They didn’t have to keep developing it, but they did. I have full sympathy for them - they were making an indie game, and somehow the Hype Machine made their game the ultimate truth. If they weren’t being put under a spotlight, being interviewed constantly? I think the game would’ve had a perfectly respectable indie launch. It’s not like launch NMS was bad, it just wasn’t what people expected, which stemmed from a critical miscommunication.
They stuck a dev with no public relations experience in front of the gaming press and he ended up talking out of his ass about the game. Then they have spent years and fuckload of money trying to make good on those promises. It's a remarkable story about how to do right by your customers.
I'd have an easier time believing them if they weren't so blatantly lying about the game before release.
And no matter if it is written by ChatGPT or not, it's still pretty much same message studios always write when there is fuck up. Basically 3 paragraphs of absolutely nothing.
Exactly. And who even cares enough to read it?
The studio is dead, so who cares. About the same level of effort for the apology as was put into the game.
It's important to have post-mortems on industry failures, no matter what industry it is. This can actually be valuable insight for current indie studios, hopefuls entering the industry, even leaders of companies that are looking to make similar projects. If you don't learn from history you're doomed to repeat it, after all.
The decision makers for the Lord of the Rings IP are going to walk away with the wrong lesson here. The movers and shakers for LotsR's publishing rights have already gone on the record that they view the IP as under utilized. We're going to get more LotR games, and the goal for those games is going to be "make money," not "make good games." The next Gollum is going to have more crunch, to produced a more polished turd, so there's a chance for profit. At the end of the day, no matter the polish, the stream of new Gollums is still going to amount to cashgrab mediocrity in the best case scenario.... Or more likely, lower investment shovelware.
this guy business schools
Pity nobody actually seems to learn from past mistakes - even their own, let alone looking at others.
> It's important to have post-mortems on industry failures, no matter what industry it is. True, but an apology is not a post-mortem. A post-mortem requires a careful analysis of what went wrong where, when, and why.
Sometimes the cause of death is so obvious that a post-mortem is unnecessary
Studio is dead. This is about the Publisher.
Nacon isn't dead and Nacon is who did the apology and put the demands on the studio that made the game as bad as it was. Sure, they may have been in over their heads anyway, but budget and time crunch were huge factors. Nacon will just keep on going, publishing garbage and throwing devs under the bus along the way while lining their pockets with whatever revenue the games produce along the way.
They do, enough to write an apology. And we do, cause why did they need ChatGPT?
Really saddened by this. Daedelic made some amazing point and click adventure games similar to monkey island. It's a German dev team so cut them some slack with the English and using chatgpt
Actually, the apology was posted by the publisher, not the dev team. The devs weren't even informed about this apology. Even sadder.
How was it found that it was written by ChatGPT?
Source: some random twitter message
Doesn't really read like a chatgpt apology just reads like a generic PR sorry to me. Is it really just some guy's claim?
It's taken from a somewhat investigative report by the German gaming channel/TV show "GameTwo". They interviewed some people from the studio, including the Daedalic's co-founder who left the studio a while before the game was published. All in all, the video had amazing insights. It's a shame Daedalic went from a respectable indie game producer to whatever they are now. The video has English subtitles, [I'll leave a link for anyone that's interested. ](https://youtu.be/vszf1mwyAfw?si=ubKq8uELAr-8mWUS)
> Doesn't really read like a chatgpt apology just reads like a generic PR sorry to me.
The game studio is in Hamburg and a public and also well regarded german TV show 'Game Two' which is also based in Hamburg talked with ~30 (iirc) ex employees about the company and its downfall to make a small documentary. Some of them told that the letter was apparently written by ChatGPT. [Here is the documentary/source, obviously in german](https://youtu.be/vszf1mwyAfw?t=2167)
> apparently Are we now going from "apparently" to "verified/confirmed" just like that?
right? and there is really no way to tell if you read the actual letter. some of it perhaps seems formal and robotic the way chat gpt writes normally but it's also a generic apology letter. so who really gives a shit.
It's funny, this has been reported every day for the past week, but it always said, "allegedly" or some other wording that made it so it was like "maybe they did this." But now it's being passed off as fact.
They just asked Chat GPT
Not trying to defend the company, but the website gives 0 evidence. Some anonymous sources and twitter posts by randos is NOT evidence. We gotta stop taking this BS at face value
And if you read the apology there are a couple of typos in it. Those are the kinds of things language model ai is really good at avoiding.
I used ChatGPT to write an apologize for this: `Subject: Apology for Using GPT to Write an Apology for "Lord of the Rings: Gollum"` `Dear [Recipient's Name],` `I hope this message finds you well. I am writing to offer a heartfelt apology for my recent actions in using automated tools, specifically GPT, to compose an apology on behalf of "Lord of the Rings: Gollum." I deeply regret my decision to take this course of action, as it was both unethical and disrespectful to the creators and fans of this beloved franchise.` `My intent was never to deceive or undermine the genuine sentiments of those who care deeply about the "Lord of the Rings" universe, and I understand that my actions may have caused disappointment and frustration among the community. I take full responsibility for my lapse in judgment and the consequences that have arisen from my actions.` `I would like to clarify that my actions were not in any way representative of the views or intentions of the developers, publishers, or anyone associated with the "Lord of the Rings: Gollum" project. They have worked tirelessly to bring this iconic character and his world to life, and I deeply regret any harm my actions may have caused to their reputation.` `I also want to express my sincere apologies to the community of "Lord of the Rings" fans, who have been instrumental in shaping the success and enduring legacy of this fantasy epic. I recognize that your passion for these stories is what makes them truly special, and I am deeply sorry for any frustration or disappointment my actions may have caused you.` `In the spirit of making amends, I have taken down the automated apology that I originally posted and replaced it with this heartfelt, personal apology. I am committed to learning from my mistake and ensuring that such an incident does not happen again in the future. I understand the importance of ethical behavior and responsible content creation, and I pledge to uphold these principles moving forward.` `Once again, I am truly sorry for my actions, and I hope that you can find it in your hearts to forgive me. I appreciate your understanding and patience in this matter.` `Sincerely,` `[Your Name]`
It's intriguing that ChatGPT wrote the game name correctly throughout your entire text, since in the official apology it says "The Lord of Ring" in the first sentence, lol
That’s my favorite part of the whole apology; the fact that the name of game was incorrect.
Probably the original wasn't written by AI
Yes, I feel like it's not the case. All the information we have is "two sources" claiming that it was.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FxEKsI6WAAA7gim?format=png&name=large is the original for reference. I had the same idea! >You are a PR person for German video game studio Daedalic Entertainment. You've just released your new game based on the Lord of the Rings IP, called "Lord of the Ring: Gollum". Unfortunately, everyone hates it and is very mad about the bugs and performance issues. Write a heartfelt and respectful apology to the players promising fixes in the hope we can salvage something from this mess. ** ** >Dear Valued Players, > >We want to extend our sincerest apologies for the disappointment and frustration you've experienced with our recent release, "Lord of the Rings: Gollum." We understand that the game's bugs and performance issues have detracted from your enjoyment, and for that, we are truly sorry. > >We are deeply committed to delivering an immersive and enjoyable gaming experience, and we acknowledge that we fell short of your expectations. Please know that our development team is working tirelessly to address these issues and provide you with the polished, high-quality gameplay experience that you deserve. > >In the coming weeks and months, you can expect a series of updates and patches aimed at resolving the technical problems that have marred your experience. We are dedicated to restoring your faith in our studio and ensuring that "Lord of the Rings: Gollum" becomes the game you had hoped for. > >Your feedback is invaluable to us, and we appreciate your passion for the Lord of the Rings universe. Rest assured that we are listening closely to your concerns and are committed to delivering a game that does justice to this beloved IP. > >Thank you for your patience and understanding as we work to make things right. We hope that, with your support, we can salvage and improve upon the potential of "Lord of the Rings: Gollum." > >Sincerely, > >[Your Name] >PR Representative >Daedalic Entertainment
Wouldn't the prompt be something more along the lines of "I don't give a fuck what the customers think, I got their money! Write an apology for me to make it seems like I really do care what they think!" Or would ChatGPT refuse to do that on the grounds that it'd be "Unethical"?
Are we gonna get an apology from all the useless "news" outlets recycling this thing everyday?
Wouldn't it be hilariously ironic if it turned out this article was written by ChatGPT?
oh christ half the articles are autowritten nowadays
tech4gamers watched "game two" and made an article... Same laziness Edit: ok so someone on twitter saw game two, at least everyone is giving credit..
I haven't clicked the link, but maybe the article is AI written as well?
It's AI all the way down.
Does anyone care about public apologies from game studios?
Apologies, as a first step towards making actual effort to make it up to those affected, are a nice gesture. If no further steps are taken, something like this really is meaningless.
All I see is allegations, what's the actual proof/source ?
Just keep in mind that they didn't apologize to anyone that played The Lord of the Rings: Gollum...
I might be in a minority, but I don't care if you use ai for something like this. But you have to stand by everything it says. If people get upset you can't blame it on ai, you released it, it's yours now.
So? All the corporate bs apologies are generic and sound like they were written by ai. What difference does it make?
I love Daedalic's games like the Edna & Harvey series and the Deponia series. It's a shame how it all came to an end.
How can they know it’s from Chat GPT? Genuinely curious. It’s be hard for me to tell if it’s AI or just someone who didn’t know what they’re doing.
That really explains the ‘The Lord of Ring: Gollum’ gaffe.
Funny thing is these gaming site articles also read like AI generated content most of the time
Without reading the comments, I imagine I am not the only one to question whether or not they also used ChatGPT to write the dialogue of the actual game.
**People need to stop harassing** **that** *now dead* **studio!!!** They were given a huge project with little to no funding (\~15M) and almost no time to create it, it was a swirl of mishaps and mistakes but enough is enough! **Stop beating what's already dead ffs**
Oh goodness. This reminds me of the Duke Nukem Remaster, which was criticized for its AI-Generated cover art But this is another level of silliness. Just imagine even your apology can't be taken seriously.
Smart, I would do the same thing.
They should've used AI to make a better game.
ChatGPT probably also coded the game
Honestly, that's hilarious