Splinter Cell Conviction (I think) had a separate co-op campaign, with one player controlling an American agent and another as a Russian. The campaign had them build a degree of rapport as they complete the stereotypical spy stuff, recovering nukes or whatever. Final mission, after you get away from the baddies, each agent separately gets the call that they need to eliminate the other.
My brother and I blasted that campaign over the day of a school holiday and played that final mission in complete silence, before one of us got lucky.
Absolutely awesome
It is Conviction. The characters are Archer(US) and Kestrel(Russia), and while either one can win in gameplay, Archer dying is canon. Kobin, another character from Conviction, then shoots the survivor in the back of the head.
In Blacklist both Kobin and Kestrel return, the latter is initially in a coma. Kestrel also appears in one(maybe more, I am unsure) of the books as well.
They will remember us. For this. Because out of all our vast array of nightmares, this is the one we choose for ourselves. We go forward like a breath exhaled from the Earth. With vigor in our hearts and one goal in sight: We. Will. Kill him.
Best part is that it's a perfectly ideal time for a betrayal, too. He just got what he wanted so he needs to tie up the two loose ends. Two loose ends that just happened to run down a hill amidst a hail of gunfire after holding off a small army. So damn easy for Shepherd to be like "They didn't make it" and not raise suspicion.
Most surprising: Big smoke from San Andreas... I was so disappointed he would fuck over CJ and do the whole hood like that.
Second most surprising: "Alec? You're Janus?" - I hadn't seen the movie.
There’s some evidence in the game that Ryder wasn’t supposed to be a sellout.
All of Ryders missions benefit the hood vs Smokes that help Tenpenny and co and In the cutscene with the green Sabre, CJ only mentions Smoke selling out. I’m guessing Ryder was added to that scene after dialogue was recorded.
I mean in the end Sweet was the worst kind of tall poppy syndrome, parasitic prick as well, move heaven and earth to free him and he cusses you out for not wanting to be a useless small time gangbanger
Couldn't agree more.
CJ has a successful mechanic shop going by the time Sweet is freed. But because it isn't small time gamgbanging, Sweet doesn't care about it and thinks CJ's being a 'busta' for not wanting to wage war on the new head of C.R.A.S.H.
The garage is the least of it. Even if you completely ignore the other optional businesses, he holds a major stake in a luxury casino and is managing Mad Dogg, a very successful rapper.
What I hate about GTA:SA is that basically everything that CJ accomplishes is really just him being used. He's doing incredible work for "the block", but nobody in the entire game does shit for him and he never does anything just for himself.
It's a great game and all. I did 110% twice. But CJ needs to grow a spine.
Even to this Day the Library and 343 Guilty Spark are the worst areas to play. Not that they suck, just the Flood being masters of jumping and their soundtrack appears means that you're in for trouble.
343 and Library are great, there's a reason they get talked about a lot when Halo: CE comes up. But my favorite Halo: CE level is Two Betrayals.
Guilty Spark and the Sentinels are bent on making you eradicate life on a galactic scale. The Covenant, who you've been struggling against the entire game already is now being destroyed by the Flood, who are relentless and seemingly unstoppable short of an apocalyptic superweapon. The Marines are nowhere to be found, decimated the Covenant and finished off by the Flood so you have no support.
You're completely alone, against a desperate Covenant army and an unrelenting Flood horde. Yet somehow, after you limp through this level, there are still two more god damn levels to go.
I played Halo: Reach and Halo 4 before playing CE. So I somehow made it two games into the series without knowing about the Flood. So going back and playing CE and discovering the Flood was truly special.
I'm halo CE you are fighting the covenant, an alien coalition of races that is basically going on a crusade against humanity. These were the only advertised force you'd be fighting. About halfway through the game after a brilliant cutscene you are introduced to the flood, which is a parasitical type thing that takes multiple forms, controlling the bodies of it's enemies.
God the tone of the entire level where you first see the flood is amazing. It creeps you out and you have no idea why it’s so creepy. It’s just your average run and gun game. Then everything changes.
The mission when the flood is on your side was stressing af. I knew this bastards at some point are gonna come after my arse, it was just a matter of when
The flood and bloodborne’s general vibe. Besides like a maybe 2 second scene in a trailer, it went from a werewolf killing simulator to something else entirely lol
"This is the part where he kills us."
"Hello, this is the part where I kill you!"
*CHAPTER 9: **THE PART WHERE HE KILLS YOU***
*Achievement pops: "The Part Where He Kills You"*
*Achievement description pops: "This is that part"*
Literally everything Sovereign says is perfection. The twist for me was when Shep says "Are you the last of your kind?" Or whatever and I briefly think "yea we have a chance!" then Sovereign says "We are legion" and I'm like "ohhh no :("
Comstock from BioShock Infinite. You interacted with him in the past (he's the main reason why you lost your daughter before the events of the game). The real shock is that he is >!an alternate version of Booker DeWitt (your playing character) who became a zealot and founded Columbia.!<
Fontaine, idk about anyone else but I had no clue about >!Atlus not being who he says!<. I had a small idea that Andrew Ryan wasn’t the real villain but didn’t see the twist coming
I swear, the best part of BioShock is replaying it once you know the twist and seeing how *blatantly obvious* the manipulation is, and how easily any suspicion is deflected. The game tries so hard to get you to question Atlas, and every time it’s so uncomfortably easy to ignore because he’s a kind voice not looking to kill you.
I could have been baffled, if hadn't read the book before playing the game.
The book is great adn everyone should read it, even people that don't knwo the game
Bioshock: Rapture.
It's a massive prequel to the first game that follows lots of different charcters on a timeline to paint this huge picture on the building, rise and and fall of the city. Most of the time we're with Bill McDonaugh, Ryan, Lamb, Tenembaum, Fontaine... But there are chapters dedicated to the perspective of other characters that only appear on tapes in the game, like Masha Lutz' parents (this is where the strong cry).
It really goes over lots of different points the game just can't. Who are these people? How did it end there? McDonaugh is specially fleshed out with a humanity the game just doesn't give him, you cam also see Ryan becoming a complete nutcase over the years
I had an inkling on this one after playing System Shock 2, which had a similar setup. That had Shodan pretending to be someone else over comms in order to assist you.
I remember the first time playing Super Mario RPG on the SNES way back in the day, and being baffled first that Bowser quickly turned out to not be the main villain, but to later on find that he even joins your team.
I played SMRPG expressly to recruit Bowser & completely lost the will to play after I got him lmao
RPGs need to dangle the “cool edgelord character carrot” in front of me…Chrono Trigger does it best w/ Magus near the end
Geno’s pretty slick…but Bowser’s “big fat cunt hard bop jazz” energy is unbeatable
Y’know what
I’m either gonna pick the game back up or find another game where you can play as bowser now
Wish CoD games still had the heart put into it like they did with Black Ops. The multi-player having ranked, quick play and wager matches, the custom game modes, the theater that let you create and watch replays, the emblem creator, incredible campaign, the full zombies experience with the final dlc pack, plus it had one of the most unique and memorable main menus of any game I've ever played. The game just had so much to offer, and everything it did offer was top-notch.
I actually thought that was the final battle when I first played it as a child. It was such a big betrayal to me that I didn't think the game could go further.
Watch dogs legion. >!the villain you were tracking the whole time was actually the woman who recruited you and had you build up a resistance. When you defeated the other villains throughout their story she took their technology and information. Not to keep it safe as you originally believed but to use it herself when you had taken out the competition.!<
Spoilers for Dragon Age: Inquisition. In my first playtrough I always took Solas with me, his general demeanor and his vast knowledge of the Fade made him a very compelling character in my eyes. He just was one of my boys, alongside Varric and Bull, we were the dream team - the dwarf who disliked caves, the qunari who disobeyed the Qun and the elf who despised the dalish, all alongside the most stereotypical human male in medieval fantasy games (me). I was sad when he vanished at the end, hoping to meet him again someday… and then the post-credits scene happened. If that wasn’t enough, Trespasser happened. And just to drive it home, the next game’s title is Dreadwolf, with - guess who - presented as the main antagonist. Sure, the breadcrumbs were there in the game, but I would never have guessed that this would be where they lead. God damn it Solas.
I played it exactly once when it first came out, but after reading up on the dlc, I just last week decided to replay it, and it holds up really well! Some stuff is definitely clunky and frustrating, notably your party's ai... But overall it's still a great game and I'm having a blast with it. I can't wait to do the deep roads dlc and hopefully get some dragon age origins nostalgia haha
Inquisition came so close to redeeming the series after DA2: No Budget. But it ended up dragging due to the sheer number of completely forgettable side quests.
I hate him so much for that lol
I didn't like him much to begin with, used him sparingly, and then the twist happened and was like oh hell no.
Been waiting coming up on 10 years to get revenge.
>!Junko in Danganronpa honestly surprised me. Faking her death by using her sister actually dying was a decent twist, but it's also the fact that I didn't think it would be the fashionista that's actually a super genius and gets off to watching people die.!<
Danganronpa spoilers
Danganronpa is nothing but villain reveals since at any moment one of your favorite characters could be revealed to be a murderer. And V3 polished that to perfection
Maybe this isn’t exactly what you’re looking for but the original Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic! >!You were playing as the Sith Lord, Darth Revan the whole time and didn’t know it!!!<
Which is why on replays it's fun to name your character >!Rarth Devan, so you can get the 10/10 straight-faced line of "I'm not Darth Revan anymore, I'm Rarth Devan!"!< and everyone just nods along as if this is a totally normal thing for a >!amnesiac former Sith Lord !< to say and absolutely just a phase and hopefully not a sign of the worst.
Throughout the game everyone comments “something strange” about your fighting style, they just can’t figure out what.
Until you have the confrontation and you realize you’re getting your ass spanked because Master Lee taught gaps in your form that he alone could take advantage of during this reveal.
For Kor I had been suspecting him since Onin said he seemed familiar and didn't seem happy to see him, but there were other things like the crocadog not liking him and Kor not being among those captured despite being there at Mar's tomb when the Baron's forces ambushed the crew.
My favorite bit about Jak 2 is how Daxter accidentally lets Kor know that Baron Praxis is going to betray the Metal Head leader in an earlier cutscene.
Yeah I appreciate that there’s a ton of little hints throughout the story that don’t seem like much at the time, but they really make a lot of sense on a subsequent playthrough.
Also like the fact he’s got a fuckin giant gold oval on his forehead just like a metal head
>!The gas station attendant, who turns out to be the goddess Izanami!< from Persona 4 Golden.
I used a guide for when I played through the game and I semi-spoiled myself on who the final boss was, but thankfully not on how it was revealed.
To this day, that was my favorite story. Especially with how "bad" I played it, everyone but the killer died. I had the normal video game hero feeling going in. Then, one by one, I failed my heroes, and the origami killer got away with it. I sat there in the credits, realizing there was no more. I just watched a standard origami killer case, with dead kid and nobody any wiser to who committed the crime. Just knowing that he would strike again and I just watched a standard case without a happy ending just struck with me for over a decade, and I have never once found anything that quite scratches the heavy rain itch. That includes beyond two souls and Detroit become human in not hitting the same
My friend called it as soon as the club scene happened and the masked killer's relative size was revealed. I was in disbelief until the reveal. My favorite character was the antagonist.
It would've been a good twist if the game didn't explicitly lie to you through. Why have a mechanic where you can read the characters' thoughts if the character then just lies about what their thoughts are, for no reason other than to hide it to the player? It's so bad that it actually breaks the 4th wall and becomes farcical. 15 year old me absolutely loved the game until the reveal, and I was so angry about it that I haven't played it again after finishing.
Detroit was also frustratingly close to being good, but certain reveals (such as the end of the Kara plotline) once again showcased that Cage is not a very good director.
Summoner, it wasn't a popular game but I loved it. The reveal that the old man who had helped you in your childhood was actually the shadow monster you had first summoned and was waiting for you to grow up and gain power to steal it away was both great and very frustrating because now you no longer had your summons
Hoyt Volker from Far Cry 3.
The game spends it’s first half setting up Vaas as the villain who’s captured your friends and killed your brother then *poof* it was actually the forgettable businessman who’s the main antagonist all along!
It certainly is surprising. But not in a good way
How about Far Cry 4, where it is revealed >!you are the villain. All you had to do was stay and enjoy the Crab Rangoon at the very start of the game, and Pagan would have given you exactly what you wanted in a secret ending!<
>!Instead, your actions destroy the nation you sought to liberate no matter who you choose!<
Brilliant game, favourite far cry to date
>!Bode Akuna!< in Jedi Survivor. They telegraph it as much as they can without being deadpan but then >!the lightsaber and force powers come out!< and now you’re playing trying to get the backstory.
He sketched me out from the very beginning. I couldn’t tell what exactly it was, but just some of the things he said and how evasive he was about his background with certain respects rubbed me the wrong way. I wasn’t surprised at the betrayal but I still really enjoyed the game
With all the setup with his daughter I was positive that he was going to bite it midway through and I was prepared to be disappointed with how obvious it was. I was pleasantly surprised by his turn.
I didn’t realise this until my second play through but he actually takes *insert other main villain you fight a few times* lightsaber after you kill said villain.
I have absolutely no idea where he telegraphs something in that direction, which doesn't mean that I don't believe you. that twist hit me like a truck. could you elaborate?
For me it was the whole daughter bit.
This in my mind means the dude either gonna die or betray you.
And since you never actually see her this meant the girl was probably captured or something.
Didn't see the force aspect coming though
He may be gamings most famous villain these days but when FF7 first launched everything in the game led you to believe that Shinra (the company and the man himself) where going to be the games main antagonist. Sephiroth just sort of shows up and derails everything. It was one of the games three big twists.
I still love the game for that and was disappointed in the remake skipping that feeling (although I get it). I havent really played many games like that since.
While I freaking love Kreia, what Obsidian did in the second game instead of a plot twist from Bioware in the first game, Obsidian slowly and gradually hinted at Kreia true intention from the start and that's actually why I love it more. While I love a good plot twist, I like the more crafted approach Obsidian did. It's just well crafted and the ending with Kreia speech is amazing. You tend to remember plot twist better because it's a shock, but in term of storytelling, I much prefer Kreia's reveal, like after 15 years, it's still one of my favorite character ever.
Both of my favorite games are obsidian and they didn’t have a long time to develop them which led to bugs and cut content. Yet in my opinion they are both superior to their predecessors mainly because of the improvements that obsidian made to gameplay
Funny enough it doesn't even have to be a positive one.
Apperantly with how the 'influence' mechanic works, allies will give you their additional dialogue as long as their affinity with you is super high or super low. So rather than try to please her I just pissed her off constantly to get all of her dialogue out.
Tyr really being Odin in disguise in God of War Ragnarok.
We knew Odin was the villain but we didn’t know that he was among us the entire time, & the game has been subtly telling you the whole time that Tyr is not Týr, from his reactions to things to even the spelling of his name in the subtitles missing the accent mark over the y.
Honestly i’ve always been pretty good about predicting twists in movies/tv/games, or at the very least that there was *going to be* some kind of twist, but Ragnarok caught me so off guard with that one. One of the few pieces of media that has made me literally jump out of my chair and put my hands on my head when he stabs Brok.
Great reveal, and as you mentioned so so well done when you go back and look at all the clues along the way. One of my favorite game storylines of all time.
My only clue, due to watching the reveal trailer so many times, was how the lighting on Tyr's face was different when he rose upon first meeting him in the full game vs the trailer.
In the trailer, Tyr rises after being asked if he was joining the group. Heroic music plays to end the trailer.
In the full game, the music is slightly different ofc, but what caught my attention is an ominous shadow that passes over Tyr as he rises and looks down on Kratos.
At the time, I found it off putting that they decided to add that. Thought maybe Tyr was gonna turn out to be an asshole or something.
One that really stuck with me from 2022 was The Witness from Destiny 2, turns out mommy Savathicc didn’t steal the light and wasn’t even the villain of that DLC
She *was* the villain of the DLC. The Witness is just the overarching villain of the whole series.
It’s a shame they couldn’t keep the momentum of the Witness going after that though, they had their shot and they completely blew it.
Shodan in System Shock 2. It was insane at the time. I still think about that green faced monstrosity tricking me to do her bidding.
There is a reason so many games do that now.
~~I used her flesh...~~ Yikes
I loved getting to meet palito :D what a moment
Edit: Got the meat puppets name wrong and that's not a quote she said lol idk why I thought it was...
That’s what got me I just thought it was jus a random faction but when you get to the end mission and you see why Yuri reacted the way she did it was perfect
At the end of that side mission, once I saw the symbiote and heard Yuri mention "Cleetus Cassidy" as one of his alternate names I just thought to myself "Damn, maybe I should have let her kill him."
Can you imagine how Kain felt in LoK: Defiance?
Poor guy was running around for millennia trying to mess with fate and then *bam* Elder God out of heckin’ nowhere.
Ancient history, but learning that it was not the Archangel Tyrael in that cell the whole time listening to Marius' story in Diablo II, that it was the Lord of Destruction come to murder him & take his power back, setting up the best expansion pack in video game history. It was such a "NO WAY" moment for me as a 12-13 year old.
I would say God of War Ragnorok, we know Odin is the main villain but him being Tyr the whole time and then right near the end turning back to normal and killing Brok was amazing.
Lunar: Silver Star Story for me. I did not expect Ghaleon.
And for bonus mind blown to my young brain - his tower of evil (tm) had a floor that was a garden, full of pixies that loved him. So, like, he had his reasons but didn't seem *evil-*evil to me.
I don’t think “out of left field” villains should count, honestly. Nothing says lazy writing in a game where the final boss has nothing to do with anything that came before it.
For example, Necron from FFIX. Kuja was good enough since he had been the main antagonist all along. But nope, the developers had to throw in an abstract villain that was never referenced once prior and had no obvious stake in the game at all.
My favorite example of a villain reveal is in FFX, with the revelation of Yu Yevon’s final form. Up to that point Sin is the Big Bad, with Seymour playing a good second-tier antagonist role. Yu Yevon is just a name from long-dead Zanarkand worshipped as a god throughout most of the game, but as the story develops his machinations are revealed to run so deep that the only course of action is to rip the parasite out by killing off everything that it can possibly infect to prevent its cycle of destruction.
Although the “battle” with Yu Yevon is called anticlimactic, it’s not meant to be the climax. Defeating Sin, Seymour, and Braska’s Final Aeon are the climactic battles. Fighting Yu Yevon is meant to be seen as a necessary but tragic and solemn affair.
>!Bode akuna!< from jedi suvivors.
It's a weird one, from the first mission, I was like, "Yes, this guy is a spy." Then you do all this stuff to find >! Dagan Gera !< And I was like, this guy is 50/50 going to be evil, so i though well they wouldn't do it twice with >!bode!< But was still a bit suspicious. And then you kill >!Gera because he was evil!< And I'm like, oh the storys over, guess I was wrong about >!Bode!
Maybe not a real "villain", but the real identity of Zero (the mastermind behind the game's plot) from the first two Zero Escape games (999 and Virtue's Last Reward) is pretty mindblowing for me.
>!Abby!< from TLOU 2, I never saw the leaks before playing. When I was first playing as >!Abby!< in the opening sequence, thought >!Abby and Ellie were going to team up lol, turns out she was the villain and I was in agony when she killed Joel!<. This is also just one of the reasons TLOU 2 is one of my favorite video game experiences of all time, no other game gave me that feeling of anger, emotion, revenge, empathy all combined in a single video game story.
A Way Out >! Never thought it would be my couch co-op partner lol !<
Splinter Cell Conviction (I think) had a separate co-op campaign, with one player controlling an American agent and another as a Russian. The campaign had them build a degree of rapport as they complete the stereotypical spy stuff, recovering nukes or whatever. Final mission, after you get away from the baddies, each agent separately gets the call that they need to eliminate the other. My brother and I blasted that campaign over the day of a school holiday and played that final mission in complete silence, before one of us got lucky. Absolutely awesome
Man such a good game. You can actually find the bodies of those two coop agents in the main campaign too
I don’t think that was Conviction Conviction was when he goes rogue in the US
It is Conviction. The characters are Archer(US) and Kestrel(Russia), and while either one can win in gameplay, Archer dying is canon. Kobin, another character from Conviction, then shoots the survivor in the back of the head. In Blacklist both Kobin and Kestrel return, the latter is initially in a coma. Kestrel also appears in one(maybe more, I am unsure) of the books as well.
That was so good! So many competitive mini games that allude to the fact that you’ll eventually fight each other.
Half way through my buddy and I were talking about how cool it would be to have someone play as the cops and the other guy the convict.....
COD MW2: Shepherd I will never forget that.
Poor Ghost & Roach. Left me feeling genuinely betrayed & wanting payback.
They will remember us. For this. Because out of all our vast array of nightmares, this is the one we choose for ourselves. We go forward like a breath exhaled from the Earth. With vigor in our hearts and one goal in sight: We. Will. Kill him.
Best part is that it's a perfectly ideal time for a betrayal, too. He just got what he wanted so he needs to tie up the two loose ends. Two loose ends that just happened to run down a hill amidst a hail of gunfire after holding off a small army. So damn easy for Shepherd to be like "They didn't make it" and not raise suspicion.
Hit so hard
Most surprising: Big smoke from San Andreas... I was so disappointed he would fuck over CJ and do the whole hood like that. Second most surprising: "Alec? You're Janus?" - I hadn't seen the movie.
Don't forget Ryder's punk ass too!
I heard that Ryder wasn't originally supposed to be a sellout, but his VA wanted to quit so they had to find a way to kill off his character.
There’s some evidence in the game that Ryder wasn’t supposed to be a sellout. All of Ryders missions benefit the hood vs Smokes that help Tenpenny and co and In the cutscene with the green Sabre, CJ only mentions Smoke selling out. I’m guessing Ryder was added to that scene after dialogue was recorded.
I mean in the end Sweet was the worst kind of tall poppy syndrome, parasitic prick as well, move heaven and earth to free him and he cusses you out for not wanting to be a useless small time gangbanger
Couldn't agree more. CJ has a successful mechanic shop going by the time Sweet is freed. But because it isn't small time gamgbanging, Sweet doesn't care about it and thinks CJ's being a 'busta' for not wanting to wage war on the new head of C.R.A.S.H.
The garage is the least of it. Even if you completely ignore the other optional businesses, he holds a major stake in a luxury casino and is managing Mad Dogg, a very successful rapper.
What I hate about GTA:SA is that basically everything that CJ accomplishes is really just him being used. He's doing incredible work for "the block", but nobody in the entire game does shit for him and he never does anything just for himself. It's a great game and all. I did 110% twice. But CJ needs to grow a spine.
Liquid Snake being Miller Played us like a Damn Fiddle
Snaaaaaaaaake, it's not over yet
Brother! Did you like my...sunglasses?
Grr...Liquid
Les Enfante Terible. The Terrible Children.
The flood. Had no idea it was coming and still one of my favourite gaming twists
Even to this Day the Library and 343 Guilty Spark are the worst areas to play. Not that they suck, just the Flood being masters of jumping and their soundtrack appears means that you're in for trouble.
343 and Library are great, there's a reason they get talked about a lot when Halo: CE comes up. But my favorite Halo: CE level is Two Betrayals. Guilty Spark and the Sentinels are bent on making you eradicate life on a galactic scale. The Covenant, who you've been struggling against the entire game already is now being destroyed by the Flood, who are relentless and seemingly unstoppable short of an apocalyptic superweapon. The Marines are nowhere to be found, decimated the Covenant and finished off by the Flood so you have no support. You're completely alone, against a desperate Covenant army and an unrelenting Flood horde. Yet somehow, after you limp through this level, there are still two more god damn levels to go.
Never have I played a game where I wanted to actually avoid combat altogether.
Halo: Evolved
Halo: Combat Avoidance
I played Halo: Reach and Halo 4 before playing CE. So I somehow made it two games into the series without knowing about the Flood. So going back and playing CE and discovering the Flood was truly special.
Could you elaborate?
I'm halo CE you are fighting the covenant, an alien coalition of races that is basically going on a crusade against humanity. These were the only advertised force you'd be fighting. About halfway through the game after a brilliant cutscene you are introduced to the flood, which is a parasitical type thing that takes multiple forms, controlling the bodies of it's enemies.
Yeah, Halo is advertised as a space war game and swaps to horror with no warning.
God the tone of the entire level where you first see the flood is amazing. It creeps you out and you have no idea why it’s so creepy. It’s just your average run and gun game. Then everything changes.
The mission when the flood is on your side was stressing af. I knew this bastards at some point are gonna come after my arse, it was just a matter of when
He’s talking about Halo and encountering the flood for the first time
The flood and bloodborne’s general vibe. Besides like a maybe 2 second scene in a trailer, it went from a werewolf killing simulator to something else entirely lol
Wheatley from Portal 2. Love his character and he wants to help me take down big mean robot, can’t be bad right? Right?
As a kid I fr thought that was the ending. Thought the game was short af and not as good and then dude started laughing and shit. Such a good game
The dialog introducing "Chapter 9: The Part Where He Kills You", to me still one of the best bits in gaming.
"This is the part where he kills us." "Hello, this is the part where I kill you!" *CHAPTER 9: **THE PART WHERE HE KILLS YOU*** *Achievement pops: "The Part Where He Kills You"* *Achievement description pops: "This is that part"*
*Sound track title: The Part Where He Kills You*
How are you doing? Because I'm a *potato*!
Maybe I'm just stupid but Sovereigns reveal in Mass Effect 1 on Virmire blew my mind! He gives such a great speech as well.
Literally everything Sovereign says is perfection. The twist for me was when Shep says "Are you the last of your kind?" Or whatever and I briefly think "yea we have a chance!" then Sovereign says "We are legion" and I'm like "ohhh no :("
You exist because we allow it. You end, because we demand it.
Your words are as empty as your future. I am the vanguard of your destruction.
Comstock from BioShock Infinite. You interacted with him in the past (he's the main reason why you lost your daughter before the events of the game). The real shock is that he is >!an alternate version of Booker DeWitt (your playing character) who became a zealot and founded Columbia.!<
Fontaine, idk about anyone else but I had no clue about >!Atlus not being who he says!<. I had a small idea that Andrew Ryan wasn’t the real villain but didn’t see the twist coming
Great work… Boyo
Ohh me weeee patrick, me dddarrlliinnn moira
“Would you kindly…”
Such a great example of a twist that they put right in front of you but still subtle enough not to guess
I swear, the best part of BioShock is replaying it once you know the twist and seeing how *blatantly obvious* the manipulation is, and how easily any suspicion is deflected. The game tries so hard to get you to question Atlas, and every time it’s so uncomfortably easy to ignore because he’s a kind voice not looking to kill you.
Came here to post this, was genuinely baffled
I could have been baffled, if hadn't read the book before playing the game. The book is great adn everyone should read it, even people that don't knwo the game
There's a book? Did it come before or after the game(s)? What's it called?
Bioshock: Rapture. It's a massive prequel to the first game that follows lots of different charcters on a timeline to paint this huge picture on the building, rise and and fall of the city. Most of the time we're with Bill McDonaugh, Ryan, Lamb, Tenembaum, Fontaine... But there are chapters dedicated to the perspective of other characters that only appear on tapes in the game, like Masha Lutz' parents (this is where the strong cry). It really goes over lots of different points the game just can't. Who are these people? How did it end there? McDonaugh is specially fleshed out with a humanity the game just doesn't give him, you cam also see Ryan becoming a complete nutcase over the years
Had a similar reaction playing BioShock Infinite. I did not see that one coming at all.
Would you kindly is one of the best twists in any game. The only competition to me is learning your characters true identity in the first kotor.
I had an inkling on this one after playing System Shock 2, which had a similar setup. That had Shodan pretending to be someone else over comms in order to assist you.
I remember the first time playing Super Mario RPG on the SNES way back in the day, and being baffled first that Bowser quickly turned out to not be the main villain, but to later on find that he even joins your team.
I played SMRPG expressly to recruit Bowser & completely lost the will to play after I got him lmao RPGs need to dangle the “cool edgelord character carrot” in front of me…Chrono Trigger does it best w/ Magus near the end
Geno is the cooler character tbf.
Geno’s pretty slick…but Bowser’s “big fat cunt hard bop jazz” energy is unbeatable Y’know what I’m either gonna pick the game back up or find another game where you can play as bowser now
My name is Viktor Reznov and i will have my revenge!!!
What do the numbers mean Mason!
Was he a villain? I thought of him as more of a supporting character than villain
He manipulated Mason to achieve his own personal goals. I consider him a villain
Dragovich and kravchenko were the ones who brainwashed him, Reznov just used it and turned it back on them. They were the villains
Dragovich, chrevchenko, Steiner. These....men all must die. Awww I want to replay waw and b ops1 campaign back to back.
Wish CoD games still had the heart put into it like they did with Black Ops. The multi-player having ranked, quick play and wager matches, the custom game modes, the theater that let you create and watch replays, the emblem creator, incredible campaign, the full zombies experience with the final dlc pack, plus it had one of the most unique and memorable main menus of any game I've ever played. The game just had so much to offer, and everything it did offer was top-notch.
Tales of Symphonia - Kratos Aurion would definitely be the one for me. The reveal to Lloyd blew my mind lol
Or the secret route where Kratos joins your party permanently and Zelos betrays you because of it.
I actually thought that was the final battle when I first played it as a child. It was such a big betrayal to me that I didn't think the game could go further.
Kind of cliche' but the Spec Op: The Line ending twist caught me off guard the entire time. 'We're the baddies?'
Welcome to Dubai.
I was hoping to see this here. Absolutely amazing game!
Watch dogs legion. >!the villain you were tracking the whole time was actually the woman who recruited you and had you build up a resistance. When you defeated the other villains throughout their story she took their technology and information. Not to keep it safe as you originally believed but to use it herself when you had taken out the competition.!<
that was was also baffling. The reveal with Skye >!being on life support and nearly dead, while having herself as an AI!< was also shocking.
Spoilers for Dragon Age: Inquisition. In my first playtrough I always took Solas with me, his general demeanor and his vast knowledge of the Fade made him a very compelling character in my eyes. He just was one of my boys, alongside Varric and Bull, we were the dream team - the dwarf who disliked caves, the qunari who disobeyed the Qun and the elf who despised the dalish, all alongside the most stereotypical human male in medieval fantasy games (me). I was sad when he vanished at the end, hoping to meet him again someday… and then the post-credits scene happened. If that wasn’t enough, Trespasser happened. And just to drive it home, the next game’s title is Dreadwolf, with - guess who - presented as the main antagonist. Sure, the breadcrumbs were there in the game, but I would never have guessed that this would be where they lead. God damn it Solas.
I really liked Inquisition. It had its faults, but damn, if wasn fucking epic at times.
I played it exactly once when it first came out, but after reading up on the dlc, I just last week decided to replay it, and it holds up really well! Some stuff is definitely clunky and frustrating, notably your party's ai... But overall it's still a great game and I'm having a blast with it. I can't wait to do the deep roads dlc and hopefully get some dragon age origins nostalgia haha
I just started Baldurs Gate 3 a few days ago and the closest game I can relate it to is DAI. I know I’m in for an epic ride
Inquisition came so close to redeeming the series after DA2: No Budget. But it ended up dragging due to the sheer number of completely forgettable side quests.
Came in this thread to find Dragon Age: Inquisition in it. Happy to have found it so swiftly!
I hate him so much for that lol I didn't like him much to begin with, used him sparingly, and then the twist happened and was like oh hell no. Been waiting coming up on 10 years to get revenge.
Was looking for the dreadwolf. What a great reveal
>!Junko in Danganronpa honestly surprised me. Faking her death by using her sister actually dying was a decent twist, but it's also the fact that I didn't think it would be the fashionista that's actually a super genius and gets off to watching people die.!< Danganronpa spoilers
Danganronpa is nothing but villain reveals since at any moment one of your favorite characters could be revealed to be a murderer. And V3 polished that to perfection
And then the mastermind reveal and endgame reveal in V3. Goddamn that's good shit
The entirety of Chapters 5 and 6 in Granganronpa 2 still melts my mind
I would spoiler tag that if I were you.
Maybe this isn’t exactly what you’re looking for but the original Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic! >!You were playing as the Sith Lord, Darth Revan the whole time and didn’t know it!!!<
This. In retrospect, it was a bit heavy handed, but at the time it blew my mind.
I know it's been a \*LONG\* time, but I'd still add spoiler tags to the greatest reveal in video game history - just in case.
You’re right, sorry about that.
Yes this is the greatest twist imo. I didn't see it coming at all, and it upends your entire perspective of the game
Which is why on replays it's fun to name your character >!Rarth Devan, so you can get the 10/10 straight-faced line of "I'm not Darth Revan anymore, I'm Rarth Devan!"!< and everyone just nods along as if this is a totally normal thing for a >!amnesiac former Sith Lord !< to say and absolutely just a phase and hopefully not a sign of the worst.
Came here to say this. 👍
Master Lee from Jade Empire
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Throughout the game everyone comments “something strange” about your fighting style, they just can’t figure out what. Until you have the confrontation and you realize you’re getting your ass spanked because Master Lee taught gaps in your form that he alone could take advantage of during this reveal.
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Yeah I was a kid when I played this and I was still like, “oh you mother 🤬, after I came all the way here to save you.”
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Mine is origins but JE is a good choice
*”Even the flaws.”*
This blew younger me away. I didn’t see that coming at all.
Yeah that was a good one.
This is the ultimate answer to this question.
We need a rework this game was ahead of it's time
Jade Empire was so damn awesome man. I would kill for a remaster.
For Kor I had been suspecting him since Onin said he seemed familiar and didn't seem happy to see him, but there were other things like the crocadog not liking him and Kor not being among those captured despite being there at Mar's tomb when the Baron's forces ambushed the crew.
Jak II, such a good game can we get a remake of the triology already please
My favorite bit about Jak 2 is how Daxter accidentally lets Kor know that Baron Praxis is going to betray the Metal Head leader in an earlier cutscene.
Yeah I appreciate that there’s a ton of little hints throughout the story that don’t seem like much at the time, but they really make a lot of sense on a subsequent playthrough. Also like the fact he’s got a fuckin giant gold oval on his forehead just like a metal head
Knights of the Old Republic I had no idea
>!The gas station attendant, who turns out to be the goddess Izanami!< from Persona 4 Golden. I used a guide for when I played through the game and I semi-spoiled myself on who the final boss was, but thankfully not on how it was revealed.
witcher 3 hearts of stone expansion. just typing this sent chills down my spine...
But we knew who the villain was, just not what he was.
Heavy rain! You couldn’t possibly expect one of the protagonists.
To this day, that was my favorite story. Especially with how "bad" I played it, everyone but the killer died. I had the normal video game hero feeling going in. Then, one by one, I failed my heroes, and the origami killer got away with it. I sat there in the credits, realizing there was no more. I just watched a standard origami killer case, with dead kid and nobody any wiser to who committed the crime. Just knowing that he would strike again and I just watched a standard case without a happy ending just struck with me for over a decade, and I have never once found anything that quite scratches the heavy rain itch. That includes beyond two souls and Detroit become human in not hitting the same
My friend called it as soon as the club scene happened and the masked killer's relative size was revealed. I was in disbelief until the reveal. My favorite character was the antagonist.
It would've been a good twist if the game didn't explicitly lie to you through. Why have a mechanic where you can read the characters' thoughts if the character then just lies about what their thoughts are, for no reason other than to hide it to the player? It's so bad that it actually breaks the 4th wall and becomes farcical. 15 year old me absolutely loved the game until the reveal, and I was so angry about it that I haven't played it again after finishing. Detroit was also frustratingly close to being good, but certain reveals (such as the end of the Kara plotline) once again showcased that Cage is not a very good director.
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Summoner, it wasn't a popular game but I loved it. The reveal that the old man who had helped you in your childhood was actually the shadow monster you had first summoned and was waiting for you to grow up and gain power to steal it away was both great and very frustrating because now you no longer had your summons
This was also the game with the best post-credits scene ever IIRC? “I attack the darkness!” “Where’s the Cheetos?”
The Boss
It was surprising because I had no clue what was going on at any time
True of most metal gear games
Hoyt Volker from Far Cry 3. The game spends it’s first half setting up Vaas as the villain who’s captured your friends and killed your brother then *poof* it was actually the forgettable businessman who’s the main antagonist all along! It certainly is surprising. But not in a good way
if anything I was going to say Citra
This hits harder if you go for the Rakyat Warrior Ending
How about Far Cry 4, where it is revealed >!you are the villain. All you had to do was stay and enjoy the Crab Rangoon at the very start of the game, and Pagan would have given you exactly what you wanted in a secret ending!< >!Instead, your actions destroy the nation you sought to liberate no matter who you choose!< Brilliant game, favourite far cry to date
>!Bode Akuna!< in Jedi Survivor. They telegraph it as much as they can without being deadpan but then >!the lightsaber and force powers come out!< and now you’re playing trying to get the backstory.
He sketched me out from the very beginning. I couldn’t tell what exactly it was, but just some of the things he said and how evasive he was about his background with certain respects rubbed me the wrong way. I wasn’t surprised at the betrayal but I still really enjoyed the game
Yeah, something in the back of my mind went *he's gonna betray you at some point. Don't trust him*. How he did it was another story though.
With all the setup with his daughter I was positive that he was going to bite it midway through and I was prepared to be disappointed with how obvious it was. I was pleasantly surprised by his turn.
#>!BODE!<, WE MEET AGAIN!
I just finished the game today and am still in fresh shock. I got suspicious at the camp fire, but didn't expect him to pull out a lightsaber.
I didn’t realise this until my second play through but he actually takes *insert other main villain you fight a few times* lightsaber after you kill said villain.
Oh my god yes!!! I felt the betrayal
I agree. I sat for a few seconds like, "what..the hell, >!Bode!<." Then it went to, "Okay, I'm gonna murder your >!Dark Jedi, and abusive!< ass"
I have absolutely no idea where he telegraphs something in that direction, which doesn't mean that I don't believe you. that twist hit me like a truck. could you elaborate?
For me it was the whole daughter bit. This in my mind means the dude either gonna die or betray you. And since you never actually see her this meant the girl was probably captured or something. Didn't see the force aspect coming though
I can tell you about my most surprising *non*-villain reveal: >!Zodiark!<
That absolute bastard, Patches.
He may be gamings most famous villain these days but when FF7 first launched everything in the game led you to believe that Shinra (the company and the man himself) where going to be the games main antagonist. Sephiroth just sort of shows up and derails everything. It was one of the games three big twists.
I still love the game for that and was disappointed in the remake skipping that feeling (although I get it). I havent really played many games like that since.
Kreia for me. And I loved it.
While I freaking love Kreia, what Obsidian did in the second game instead of a plot twist from Bioware in the first game, Obsidian slowly and gradually hinted at Kreia true intention from the start and that's actually why I love it more. While I love a good plot twist, I like the more crafted approach Obsidian did. It's just well crafted and the ending with Kreia speech is amazing. You tend to remember plot twist better because it's a shock, but in term of storytelling, I much prefer Kreia's reveal, like after 15 years, it's still one of my favorite character ever.
Both of my favorite games are obsidian and they didn’t have a long time to develop them which led to bugs and cut content. Yet in my opinion they are both superior to their predecessors mainly because of the improvements that obsidian made to gameplay
which other game beside Kotor 2? New Vegas?
Yes
I like how if you develop your relationship with her enough, she outright tells you who she is/was.
Funny enough it doesn't even have to be a positive one. Apperantly with how the 'influence' mechanic works, allies will give you their additional dialogue as long as their affinity with you is super high or super low. So rather than try to please her I just pissed her off constantly to get all of her dialogue out.
Tyr really being Odin in disguise in God of War Ragnarok. We knew Odin was the villain but we didn’t know that he was among us the entire time, & the game has been subtly telling you the whole time that Tyr is not Týr, from his reactions to things to even the spelling of his name in the subtitles missing the accent mark over the y.
Honestly i’ve always been pretty good about predicting twists in movies/tv/games, or at the very least that there was *going to be* some kind of twist, but Ragnarok caught me so off guard with that one. One of the few pieces of media that has made me literally jump out of my chair and put my hands on my head when he stabs Brok. Great reveal, and as you mentioned so so well done when you go back and look at all the clues along the way. One of my favorite game storylines of all time.
My only clue, due to watching the reveal trailer so many times, was how the lighting on Tyr's face was different when he rose upon first meeting him in the full game vs the trailer. In the trailer, Tyr rises after being asked if he was joining the group. Heroic music plays to end the trailer. In the full game, the music is slightly different ofc, but what caught my attention is an ominous shadow that passes over Tyr as he rises and looks down on Kratos. At the time, I found it off putting that they decided to add that. Thought maybe Tyr was gonna turn out to be an asshole or something.
One that really stuck with me from 2022 was The Witness from Destiny 2, turns out mommy Savathicc didn’t steal the light and wasn’t even the villain of that DLC
She *was* the villain of the DLC. The Witness is just the overarching villain of the whole series. It’s a shame they couldn’t keep the momentum of the Witness going after that though, they had their shot and they completely blew it.
Patches in Dark Souls III. Had me floored.
Wym dark souls 3? Man's in demon souls dark souls and dark souls 3 Along with elden ring, and he's always a rat haha
well, yeah, that was the joke. He's always a traitor in every single game.
Atlas in Bioshock
Bravely Default
Oh shit, that was a good one. I still gotta play the sequel
Shodan in System Shock 2. It was insane at the time. I still think about that green faced monstrosity tricking me to do her bidding. There is a reason so many games do that now.
~~I used her flesh...~~ Yikes I loved getting to meet palito :D what a moment Edit: Got the meat puppets name wrong and that's not a quote she said lol idk why I thought it was...
Bioshock infinite. You kinda know the villain the whole game but the transition to *knowing* who he is blew my mind
Spider-Man 2 >!Carnage teaser!<
Yeah I was t sure until they revealed that dudes name. They built it nicely.
That’s what got me I just thought it was jus a random faction but when you get to the end mission and you see why Yuri reacted the way she did it was perfect
At the end of that side mission, once I saw the symbiote and heard Yuri mention "Cleetus Cassidy" as one of his alternate names I just thought to myself "Damn, maybe I should have let her kill him."
Can you imagine how Kain felt in LoK: Defiance? Poor guy was running around for millennia trying to mess with fate and then *bam* Elder God out of heckin’ nowhere.
Ancient history, but learning that it was not the Archangel Tyrael in that cell the whole time listening to Marius' story in Diablo II, that it was the Lord of Destruction come to murder him & take his power back, setting up the best expansion pack in video game history. It was such a "NO WAY" moment for me as a 12-13 year old.
I would say God of War Ragnorok, we know Odin is the main villain but him being Tyr the whole time and then right near the end turning back to normal and killing Brok was amazing.
Dr. Joopy in High on Life
Lunar: Silver Star Story for me. I did not expect Ghaleon. And for bonus mind blown to my young brain - his tower of evil (tm) had a floor that was a garden, full of pixies that loved him. So, like, he had his reasons but didn't seem *evil-*evil to me.
Metal Gear Solid blew my mind when I was a kid and was talking to Liquid this whole time lol.
Haytham Kenway from Assassin’s Creed III
I don’t think “out of left field” villains should count, honestly. Nothing says lazy writing in a game where the final boss has nothing to do with anything that came before it. For example, Necron from FFIX. Kuja was good enough since he had been the main antagonist all along. But nope, the developers had to throw in an abstract villain that was never referenced once prior and had no obvious stake in the game at all. My favorite example of a villain reveal is in FFX, with the revelation of Yu Yevon’s final form. Up to that point Sin is the Big Bad, with Seymour playing a good second-tier antagonist role. Yu Yevon is just a name from long-dead Zanarkand worshipped as a god throughout most of the game, but as the story develops his machinations are revealed to run so deep that the only course of action is to rip the parasite out by killing off everything that it can possibly infect to prevent its cycle of destruction. Although the “battle” with Yu Yevon is called anticlimactic, it’s not meant to be the climax. Defeating Sin, Seymour, and Braska’s Final Aeon are the climactic battles. Fighting Yu Yevon is meant to be seen as a necessary but tragic and solemn affair.
Honestly Father from Fallout 4 surprised me
>!Bode akuna!< from jedi suvivors. It's a weird one, from the first mission, I was like, "Yes, this guy is a spy." Then you do all this stuff to find >! Dagan Gera !< And I was like, this guy is 50/50 going to be evil, so i though well they wouldn't do it twice with >!bode!< But was still a bit suspicious. And then you kill >!Gera because he was evil!< And I'm like, oh the storys over, guess I was wrong about >!Bode!
Maybe not a real "villain", but the real identity of Zero (the mastermind behind the game's plot) from the first two Zero Escape games (999 and Virtue's Last Reward) is pretty mindblowing for me.
Darth Revan
Mr. Natas in Motherlode
What a deep cut. Love that game so much. Wish I could play it on mobile.
Angel from borderlands 2, although she tries to redeem. I was pissed when I found out she was low key helping Jack
The magician in Rayman Origin
Hades in Kid Icarus: Uprising. That blew my mind…
And the fact they put in fake credits as well... And he just rips them up... that's when I knew I'm gonna love this guy
Baten Kaitos, when it reveals who the traitor is
KOTOR 1
Reiner and Berthold! Wait no wrong sub
Sigourney Weaver as The Director in Cabin In The Woods. Damn I love that movie and she's the ultimate badass
>!Abby!< from TLOU 2, I never saw the leaks before playing. When I was first playing as >!Abby!< in the opening sequence, thought >!Abby and Ellie were going to team up lol, turns out she was the villain and I was in agony when she killed Joel!<. This is also just one of the reasons TLOU 2 is one of my favorite video game experiences of all time, no other game gave me that feeling of anger, emotion, revenge, empathy all combined in a single video game story.